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Hello, I'm calling from the trip. I'd
like to confirm a quote.
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Getting around two hours. How much money
was involved?
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Was it over a thousand dollars?
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Was it over ten thousand?
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Hi.
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Hi. What are you doing here?
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Rainier, what's up?
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Didn't they just catch you in Florida?
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Yes, and that's where I got a call
before they go to lunch.
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I thought I said let you out of bed so
early.
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Lamb. A little joke there.
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I'm a sore loser, okay?
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Let me help you.
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An old college friend of mine was just
made chief of police in Davistown,
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Florida.
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You okay now? Thanks.
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Couldn't do it without you.
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How you doing, pal?
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All right. I didn't think you'd be in
until this afternoon.
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Neither did I. My racquetball game got
canceled.
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Sorry, the club warming up and Senator
Collins called and said he had the flu.
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Oh, my thing. Oh, you're pretty.
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Creamed in.
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Uh, Susan Gallagher's there. Fine, I'll
hold.
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Hi, Billy.
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Hi, Ben.
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Oh, boy, I think it's the holes for
these.
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Uh, tell her it's Billy Newman. I
promise you she'll talk to me.
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What do you got there?
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Oh, just a little something.
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Hey, Ben, come here.
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Will you let me know what's going on?
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Oh, I'd be glad to.
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I've been going back and forth alone.
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You know, if the council votes against
rent control, they'll just hang
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themselves.
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I could get to life a story about them
twisting the breeze. Morning.
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Morning. On the way to Modesto.
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Don't forget to write.
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It's a riot in a safe prison.
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500 prisoners in the yard, 20 guard
postings, one already killed.
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When did this happen? This morning.
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Just came over the wire.
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It's been a while since I've found a
communication.
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Prisoners want to talk to the media.
They say they'll exchange one hostage
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every interview with a reporter.
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That's 150 reporters.
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Glad you're here. We'll get you right up
there.
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I think the senator had the flu.
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Flu? Can I talk to you? It has to be
now.
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I just wanted to remind you we had a
deal. The next statewide story was mine.
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What about the spy who escaped,
Warshawski? I was the first one to get
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lawyer in Florida. If they extradite him
to L .A., I got an exclusive.
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How'd you do that?
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The old girl network.
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You know I want to expand beyond Metro,
and this prison ride is the perfect
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stepping stone.
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Pomeroy's already on his way. Because he
got to you first. I was two feet behind
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him. No, it's because he's very
experienced and very good.
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He covered Attica and Santa Fe. He's the
first one I would have called.
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I won't get experienced if I don't get
experienced.
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Prison ride. I heard about it in the
elevator. That's someone up there fast.
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There's no commercial carrier out about
that.
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to Modesto until tonight.
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Charter a plane from another airport.
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You think so?
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We can't wait on this one. It's major. I
can feel it. I already checked with Van
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Nuys. Danny Evans has been flying up
there. Here you go. Why is Danny heading
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up? He's been chartered by someone else.
Helen Patterson.
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She worked for Fordoff.
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Time of news week. I forget which.
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West Coast bureaucracy.
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That woman snapped up stories like a
lizard after flies.
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Leave it to her to have the only flight.
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Negotiate. With Helen Patterson?
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is going to have to schlep up there.
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I promise.
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On your grandmother's chest pie.
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We'll do it. Uh -huh.
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As soon as I get back. Okay, bye,
Parker.
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Hello, who is this?
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Lou Grant, Miss Patterson, Metro Editor
of the Tribune. You don't know me, but
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you once met our M .E., Charlie Hill, at
the press club. Lou, I'm in a hurry.
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I know you're flying up to Modesto.
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Oh, to make your wire?
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We need to get some people up there, and
we're in a jam.
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Can we hitch a ride with you? Rather
like General Montgomery hitching a ride
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with Rome.
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We are competitors, you and I.
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West Coast Daily, the news magazine.
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Look, I like to be first on the scene.
You get a better motel room, right?
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Away from the ice machine.
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Or close to it. Depends on your point of
view.
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Look, we'll even pick up the tab for the
charter. How's that?
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No doubt.
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Put in a giant finger, I'll owe you.
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of what they could possibly amount to.
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Here's something I really didn't want to
bring up.
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Stan Friday, the guy that had the job
before you?
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I remember Stan.
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I saved his foot on the fluts in 77.
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The cover you ran of the cars floating
down Laurel Canyon was by a trip post
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hoc. Stan's kid missed it. I let him use
our stuff.
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Oh, I'm paying back a five -year -old
debt, right?
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Look at it this way.
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You'll have someone on the plane to play
cards with. I hate cards.
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How do you person that by 12?
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Uh, it might be two persons.
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Two?
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Thank you very...
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Marcellin. Remember, I owe you for this.
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I'm writing it down.
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Billy, you're going with Ben.
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We'll get Fulham for the wires. Great,
Lou. Thanks a lot. I've got to take the
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clothes in my car.
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What's that all about?
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Just putting it there for both of you.
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Oh, I don't think so.
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Look, get up there, check it out, and
let us know. Then we'll reassess, all
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right? Hey, come on. I got off two
minutes ago. I'll give you a ride.
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Will you phone Ted and tell him I'll
call...
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The trip has failed.
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Don't I get a shot at it? I hear the
line started at 7 .30 a .m. You got a
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Allergies. I could get out of bed this
morning.
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You're getting soft.
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You'll feel better when you see what
Donovan asked for you from the
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desk. What is it? That Julian Sphinx
Moss is in danger of extinction. You're
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joking. He is not.
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It's the hottest bug story we've had in
months.
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Come on, Rossi. The bee's knees.
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in Unicom flight.
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What on earth are you doing here? Trying
to get the hell up to Modesto. I hear
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you've got the only ride.
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I could be making money on this flight.
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Ben Pomeroy, Billy Newman, from the
trip.
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Bob O 'Brien.
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How are you, Bob? I'm glad to meet you.
Your book was the one that made me
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finally understand what was going on in
Vietnam. I'm really pleased to meet you.
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Thank you. That's very kind.
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Can we squeeze on one more?
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That's a four -seater. We've got a six
-seater coming in from Tahoe in about
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hours.
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Sorry, Bob.
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Just can't take the time.
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Luck of the Irish.
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Good to see you.
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Bye.
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Go ahead.
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at what barley field in Kern County had
only lived for seven days.
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They thought it was extinct for 50
years, but it was rediscovered in 1978.
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Scientists have to keep its breeding
ground a secret because for years,
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collectors have been searching for this
one specific moth species.
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I mean, it's a great adventure story.
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Just don't take any wool sweaters with
you.
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Think you can handle this animal? Sure,
why not?
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Last week, you missed that hostage
released at the Lincoln School.
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Yeah, the cops wouldn't let us behind
their lines.
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And yesterday, that congressman got away
from you somehow.
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Bad luck.
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What do you think I should have done?
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I think you could have been a little
more aggressive.
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They're bringing the spy back to L .A.
tonight, Wachowski.
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Oh, we got him.
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L .A.
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1493 Victor, Evanston Unicom, over.
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Do not proceed to active runway need you
to return to ramp one of your
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passengers has to get off over
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Don't be mad at me. I gotta be mad at
somebody.
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I'll be honest with you. I really had to
rev myself up to fight for this story.
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I knew Pomeroy had it locked like he
always does. And when you said yes, I
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so terrific. Like I'd finally won one
over Mr.
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Macho Reporter.
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This story sounds glamorous. But you
know what he's doing right now?
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Standing in the rain, drinking cold
coffee, waiting for a bunch of
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to stop hacking each other to death.
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Pretty close to heaven, huh?
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Charlie, we want to talk to you about
the Warshawski spy thing.
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Charlie?
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Bad news.
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Terrible news.
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I just heard from the airport.
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Plane we charted went down over the
mountains a couple hours ago.
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Survivor?
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No survivors.
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Oh, my God.
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Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on
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A &E.
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Inches of beer on that plane?
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I was on that plane.
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It was about time, I guess.
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You were lucky.
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It was fate.
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Stop talking about it. I can't believe
you're arguing about this. What
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difference does it make?
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Here's all they had on Ben and his
personnel file.
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I can't.
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Ben Pomeroy.
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Born Manhattan, August 4th, 1940.
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Mother, Ingrid Sexton.
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Father, Judge Samuel Pomeroy.
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First Circuit Court, Long Island.
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Hobbies?
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Needlepoint and nude volleyball.
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Wise guy.
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Has anybody called Ted?
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Oh, my God. He's going to think I was on
that plane. I've got to call Ted.
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All hell's breaking loose in Modesto,
you know.
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I'm going to have to send somebody else
up there.
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Don't look at me like that. You were
thinking of this.
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Put Rosenthal on the next commercial
flight.
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It's me.
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I'm all right. I'm okay.
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A plane went down, didn't you hear?
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Yeah.
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I was on it, but I got off before it
left.
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I'm okay.
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Everybody was killed.
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They don't know what happened yet. Could
you hold on a minute?
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It used to range 37 miles up and down
the sandhills of the Pacific shoreline.
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Now it's been reduced to a tiny plot in
the middle of an oil refinery.
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But a local butterfly protection society
convinced the oil company to fence off
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the habitat to save the species.
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So that's where it lives, in this tiny
little island in the middle of the
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asphalt. Too bad.
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Well, that's the way the world would
look in the year 2000.
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Only the weed species will survive.
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You won't see a red wolf or bald eagle
in the wild.
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It'll be you and me, hopefully.
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Cockroaches, mosquitoes, and dandelions.
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Here we are.
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What's so important about this moth? I
mean, what would happen if it didn't
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quite make it? Jeez, Rothy.
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I mean it.
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Other animals would die, too, and
plants.
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Ecosystems would be destroyed. Actually,
it's hard to make a case for the
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individual species.
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I can't tell you what the ecological
consequences would be if the Julian
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moth became extinct.
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Why not?
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But we simply don't know enough about
this particular moth.
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There are 10 billion species of plants
and animals on Earth.
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Of those, only a million and a half even
have names.
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That's how much we don't know.
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Boy, I thought you guys had that stuff
wrapped.
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The species, like this, are becoming
extinct even before we discover them.
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Organisms are disappearing before we
know how they can be useful to
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Useful how?
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Oh, gosh.
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Let's see.
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But here.
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Here's a butterfly from the Orient that
contains a tumor -reducing compound.
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Armadillos are becoming important in the
study of leprosy.
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A South American rodent, the capybara,
has an anti -leukemia agent in its
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And these things have been found just in
the last 20 years.
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What about this, Mark? What's its
importance?
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Look, I understand the instinct to
relate everything to man.
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And what can this organism do for us?
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But we really are part of the game.
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The fewer species there are, the poorer
our lives will be.
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You mean people won't get to look at
butterflies anymore?
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Look, endangered species like these are
symptoms of endangered biological
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resources.
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The demise of the Julian Sphinx moth is
just another quietly stated subtle
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little warning from nature.
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Pay attention.
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Now.
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I suppose.
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I don't know why I agreed to this.
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Why should I give the eulogy? I'm the
one responsible.
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I won't have you blaming yourself.
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Pretty hard not to.
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Charlie, I could have said charter a
plane just as easily as you.
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Yeah, but you didn't. It was a fluke.
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I think the crash is due to icing
conditions, but they won't know for
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It's a few hours.
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I'd have waited for a commercial flight.
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Shouldn't have pushed it. They were
running for a heartbreaking story. Any
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of us would have gotten on that plane.
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Anything you say at that memorial
service would be more satisfying than
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obituaries I read in the Tribune.
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What's wrong with them? I didn't get
anything from what you ran except the
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usual. This one was a crack reporter.
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They had an independent woman and a
brilliant interviewer. And this one
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famous book. Isn't there more?
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I guess because they were reporters, we
backed off.
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These reporters died trying to get a
story. That's a story.
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I want to know who they were, why they
were on that plane.
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I agree with Charlie's instinct. I'd be
afraid of that. It's self -serving.
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Well, I don't understand, you're clear.
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These are tough, competitive reporters.
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Each of them must have been driven. Why
look too closely?
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There may be things about ourselves as
journalists we'd rather not find out.
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Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on A &E.
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Lou, Art told me about the feature on
Palmer and Patterson and O 'Brien, and I
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want to be involved.
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You sure you really want to put yourself
through all that?
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I don't know how else I'm going to stop
having nightmares.
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And feeling so guilty.
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And to think I'm so grateful it wasn't
me. And sickened and just amazed by my
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own dumb luck.
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Why them and not me?
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You're not going to figure that out in 1
,500 words.
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The only way I know how to get through
this is to write about it.
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Okay.
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You take Pomeroy and O 'Brien.
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I'll research Helen Patterson. Why?
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I told her I owed her one.
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I don't want you going up there with all
those followers.
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Okay, I'll take a lot of pills. This is
an important story.
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You'll kill yourself. You did it last
year, too, and then you're on a
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for two weeks. Animal, you do it alone.
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Your allergic nose will thank me for it.
Okay, but you're going to hear from a
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lot of this boss.
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Pomeroy was the reporter's reporter.
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Do you know that he also had a law
degree?
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Covered every war in the last 15 years.
He'd go anywhere where it was really
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bad. Went to Palermo to cover the mafia,
Culiacan, Mexico to cover the drug
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trade. When the U .S. and Cambodian
governments couldn't have cared less, he
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hired mercenaries to go in and retrieve
the bodies of reporters who were killed
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in Cambodia.
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You know what he did after the
assassination of Sadat, don't you? No,
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Oh, this is famous. What?
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Well, he was in Rome on a vacation when
he first heard the news.
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He does not wait a second.
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He charters an executive jet. A jet,
mind you. Puts it on his credit card and
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takes it off for Cairo.
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Knowing the paper would pay for it. I
find that hard to believe.
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That the paper would pay.
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It's true.
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It's true. He had Mr. Pynchon eaten out
of his hand.
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Nobody knew him better than I did. It's
true.
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How did you get to know him?
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I used to drive him to the airport a
lot. Bring him back, you know, when he
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in. He pretty often traveled.
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I'd pick up his mail, you know.
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to take care of his dog.
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You consider Pomeroy a close friend?
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Oh, great friend.
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I mean, we were buddies. We used to stop
by this bar at the marina where they
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had this turtle race. I know that place.
It's a real single scene.
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What about his wife? How did she feel
about it? Ex -wife.
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That's how.
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Lance packed up Ben's things.
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Yeah, that was real sweet of him. I
think I'll just go through and take the
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things that mean something.
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I'm sorry, where were we?
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I think you were saying you were married
young.
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Oh, yes, in college.
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And then I majored in being the new
bride.
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You know, lunch with the girlfriends.
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Cooking and shopping.
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That would sound bad.
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I got restless.
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I tried a lot of things before I opened
the cookware store, and I was lousy at
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all of them.
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Ben was.
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He was real patient with me.
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He was involved with his work at the
time, wasn't he?
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Yeah.
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It was real difficult then.
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I'm sorry. Can we go someplace else?
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I'm sorry.
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Can you tell me?
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My son decided that I was as creative as
he was.
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And I wanted to do something wonderful.
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That doesn't sound so unusual.
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Or so terrible.
368
00:22:05,610 --> 00:22:08,980
When I opened the cookware store, that
was the beginning of the end.
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I was so busy and... Ben said I was
neglecting him.
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Suddenly we both had schedules and... At
the end of the day, Ben would bring
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half the city room home with him.
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All young reporters.
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They thought the world of him.
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But I wasn't as interested in his
friends as I should have been.
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They were all 22 years old.
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Didn't he understand your need to do
something on your own?
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No, not very well.
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It sounds like...
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Never mind.
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What?
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I was just thinking... Maybe you outgrew
him.
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I outgrew him.
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00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,380
No, that's impossible.
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Look what he achieved.
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How can what I've done ever equal that?
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Lou wants moths? I'll get him moths.
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00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,380
So, what's on your mind?
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Ben Pomeroy.
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I just wanted to ask you a few
questions.
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Now is not a good time.
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What is this?
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Reporters love to talk about him, and I
can't get one photo or one editor to
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open up.
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When I first got here, Pomeroy took me
under his wing, showed me the ropes.
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He loved doing that, and we got along
great.
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00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:42,660
Yeah? Yeah, we did a series on Watts
together.
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I remember that.
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It never ran.
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00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:51,810
He wanted portraits, skylines, dawn,
dusk. I was overshooting like crazy.
400
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:53,160
You know why?
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His story didn't have it. And he was
hoping the pictures would pull him out.
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00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:00,449
couldn't go to the desk and say, hell,
it's not working. I would have blown the
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00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:01,500
image.
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00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:03,830
A lot of people bought that image.
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00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:06,300
Yeah, being a winner was important to
him.
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00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:07,910
Made him a good reporter.
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00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:10,050
But it made him impossible to work with.
408
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,410
I feel awful saying this about a guy who
just died.
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00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,990
I was always very competitive with Ben
myself.
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00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,380
Maybe it was the man -woman thing.
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00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,160
You know, I never saw him with guys his
own age.
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He only hung out with younger reporters.
He always had to be the teacher.
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00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:32,279
I talked to his ex -wife, and Pomeroy
was very unhappy when she started her
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business. She ventured out on her own,
and he felt threatened.
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00:24:35,621 --> 00:24:39,139
Listen, he felt threatened when I told
him we didn't need another shot of Watts
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Towers.
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00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,970
Oh, boy.
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00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,740
Not going to be easy to write, is it?
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00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:47,210
Guys in the city room aren't going to
like this much.
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00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:50,060
And anyway, why should I expose him? The
man is dead.
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00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,770
Look at it this way.
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00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:53,680
He'd have done the same for you.
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00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:02,820
I guess this one's all yours.
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00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:05,480
Don't be a sore loser, Newman.
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00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:07,030
Next time.
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00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,260
Then if the inmates ask for you... Tell
them I send my love.
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00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:11,630
Right.
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00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:16,460
You drive carefully on your way back
now.
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00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:32,310
Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on A &E.
430
00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:35,590
Where's your friend Rossi?
431
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:38,650
Ah, here's Alex. Kicked up on the screen
with a toad.
432
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,770
Well, I'm glad you're here.
433
00:25:40,771 --> 00:25:46,329
Little pressure to get this one. I hope
this is the right week for Sphinx, Mom.
434
00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:48,769
Well, this is the place. We're still
five miles away.
435
00:25:48,770 --> 00:25:51,240
But it looks like a potential for
another colony.
436
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:12,160
Where are we looking for them? They fly
close to the ground.
437
00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:15,220
Or they'll be sunning themselves.
438
00:26:15,221 --> 00:26:18,259
Sunning themselves? You mean like
people?
439
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:23,219
Yes. They bask in the sun until their
bodies absorb enough heat to be able to
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00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:24,660
fly. No kidding.
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00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,970
He's Wilbur.
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00:26:52,971 --> 00:26:56,239
This is Dennis Price. He works for the
Tribune. Hello there, Dennis.
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00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,799
I've read many of your articles with
great pleasure, Dr. Wilbur.
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00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,759
I've read yours.
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00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,239
I don't know what luck you've had with
the Populani guy, but I just took the
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00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,980
copulating pair in mint condition.
447
00:27:04,981 --> 00:27:07,559
They were hill -topping it on that ridge
over there.
448
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,610
Great. Thanks.
449
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,750
Have they still got you working on the
Julian Sphinx moth?
450
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:13,940
Well, that's one of my projects.
451
00:27:13,941 --> 00:27:16,519
Have you found the breeding ground?
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00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,260
The Julian is endangered, Colonel.
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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,900
Well, it's not on the endangered list.
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00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:22,850
Well, we're fighting to get it there.
455
00:27:22,851 --> 00:27:26,889
Look, I can't force you, but I strongly
request that you not collect that
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00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:28,730
species. We could lose it altogether.
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00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:32,980
As you see, doctor, I'd rather wait for
a healthy population anyway.
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00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:34,810
Well, have a nice day.
459
00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:39,910
That guy's one of the worst.
460
00:27:40,550 --> 00:27:44,040
Big amateur collector, and all he cares
about is completing his list.
461
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:46,600
They buy catalogs and match them with
specimens.
462
00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:48,410
We call them stamp collectors.
463
00:27:48,411 --> 00:27:52,549
I get the feeling he really wants to go
home with a Julian Sphinx mouth today.
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00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:53,600
You bet.
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00:27:53,601 --> 00:27:56,909
Once they're on the threatened list,
that's when those guys really want him.
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00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:58,110
How much are they worth?
467
00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:59,440
Perfect male?
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Maybe $700.
469
00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:05,620
I wanted to know how you're doing on a
triple profile.
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00:28:05,621 --> 00:28:08,449
Billy's got what she needs on
Palmerwood, but she's having trouble
471
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:10,310
'Brien. He's a lot harder to track down.
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00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:14,050
From what I hear, he was a reclusive
guy. He had a drinking problem.
473
00:28:14,051 --> 00:28:17,069
Billy says his life was more depressing
than his death.
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00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,670
Not much family. He was withdrawn,
antisocial.
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00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:23,120
She'll try to find something redeeming,
but I don't know.
476
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:26,150
Talk to Stan Bristol down in San Diego.
477
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:29,460
O 'Brien worked there while he was
writing the Vietnam book.
478
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,900
You know, that's the shame about O
'Brien.
479
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:33,330
Could have been a superstar.
480
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:37,240
Could have sunk into obscurity. With
him, it could have gone either way.
481
00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:39,080
Okay, this will help.
482
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:41,630
When do you think you'll have the story?
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00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,020
Next week.
484
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:44,330
See if you can hurry it up.
485
00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:57,630
Brian for you. Oh, great. Thanks a lot.
486
00:28:58,110 --> 00:28:59,160
How you coming?
487
00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:01,210
Any answers to those cosmic questions?
488
00:29:01,550 --> 00:29:04,510
I wish. So far, it's all just depressing
me.
489
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:08,140
I don't want to get started on Helen
Patterson. I'll let you know.
490
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:11,820
Brad.
491
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:20,840
Don't let your editing to push you
around.
492
00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:22,990
Well, this other story's mine, too. Oh.
493
00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:26,450
There's a story around that won't have
your name on it.
494
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:29,360
Step on somebody's toes once upon a
time.
495
00:29:29,361 --> 00:29:30,399
How
496
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:40,199
long
497
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,820
did you work for Ellen Pedersen?
498
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:45,320
Only six months, but that's about all I
could take.
499
00:29:45,321 --> 00:29:46,679
Want some cream?
500
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,780
No, no thanks.
501
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,840
What was the problem?
502
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,940
She wanted everything typed perfect.
503
00:29:51,941 --> 00:29:57,399
You know, in a manuscript, you can get
away with whiting it out. But letters?
504
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,450
Forget it.
505
00:29:58,780 --> 00:30:00,640
She'd make you do the whole thing over.
506
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,980
What was the manuscript?
507
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,790
It was this book she was writing on
women in prison.
508
00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:09,100
I couldn't stand to read it. All those
pitiful stories.
509
00:30:09,101 --> 00:30:11,879
Why couldn't she pick something
cheerful?
510
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,480
She was famous for her interviews with
difficult people.
511
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Did she ever talk about that?
512
00:30:17,321 --> 00:30:18,319
Not much.
513
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,180
She once asked me if I liked this dress
she had on.
514
00:30:21,181 --> 00:30:22,599
Really? Yeah.
515
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,260
Well, she wanted to make the right
impression on famous people, I guess.
516
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,340
She didn't know how to dress.
517
00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:30,340
Always the same old stuff.
518
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:31,780
You told her all that?
519
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:33,600
It tacked away, of course.
520
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,780
She asked me about a lot of things.
521
00:30:36,781 --> 00:30:38,179
Such as?
522
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:39,720
She'd bounce ideas off me.
523
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,419
Like if she was writing a book or an
article, she'd ask me if I want to read
524
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:45,470
as a consumer.
525
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,160
Sounds like you got along.
526
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,620
She was kooky.
527
00:30:50,030 --> 00:30:51,350
No men in her life.
528
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:53,530
You know, everything was so serious.
529
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:55,810
And the job just wasn't any fun.
530
00:30:56,470 --> 00:31:01,050
Could I see the manuscript on prisons?
531
00:31:01,370 --> 00:31:04,490
I sent it back to her son, along with
the rest of her things.
532
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:07,160
What?
533
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:10,280
You know, to get me up on one of those
little planes.
534
00:31:16,679 --> 00:31:20,519
Yes, she was the first reporter I had
rolled out in my house. I've had bad
535
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,899
experiences with the press.
536
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:23,080
I'm sorry to hear that.
537
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,460
A lot of famous events took place at
this house.
538
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:33,479
Eisenhower, Nixon, Johnson. They all
came here for advice at one time or
539
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,530
another.
540
00:31:34,531 --> 00:31:36,499
You've evidently read my biography.
541
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:37,550
Pray please.
542
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,820
Actually, the best source on you is the
profile Helen Patterson wrote.
543
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,280
She really told it all.
544
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:44,590
Yes.
545
00:31:44,591 --> 00:31:46,799
I guess you didn't like it very much
when it appeared.
546
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,320
To the contrary. I thought it was
marvelous.
547
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,900
They say she was tough.
548
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,260
Did you two get into some arguments?
549
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,480
I do remember some long -term teachings.
550
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,840
She seemed to fit into the background.
551
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,700
I grew used to having her around. I
liked her.
552
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,230
He was an awkward, homely type of woman
with that... That problem and all.
553
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:18,070
But she certainly knew how to listen.
554
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:19,820
Did you know her?
555
00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:23,450
Only by reputation and one conversation
on the phone.
556
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:25,300
I liked her too.
557
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:28,570
God only knows what kind of life she
had.
558
00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:32,060
Seems she gave it all to the people she
was interviewing.
559
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:35,370
What exactly do you think she gave you?
560
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:40,040
Understanding.
561
00:32:42,231 --> 00:32:48,679
Absolutely no one knows where this
breeding ground is? Well, just the man
562
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,350
rediscovered the Julian Mosque, the
museum, and the farmer who owns the
563
00:32:52,351 --> 00:32:54,299
It's fun, actually, and he's proud of
it.
564
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,659
He won't even tell his kids which field
it is. Now, what do we do once we find
565
00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:58,239
the Mosque?
566
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,099
Well, it's a mark, release, and
recapture study to determine the present
567
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:02,150
population.
568
00:33:30,581 --> 00:33:32,289
What's up, Taylor?
569
00:33:32,290 --> 00:33:34,429
Well, I suppose we're both headed for
the same place.
570
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:35,480
No, I don't think so.
571
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:37,930
Well, a museum doesn't own that moth.
572
00:33:37,931 --> 00:33:41,029
You're not the only ones that have a
right to collect it. This species will
573
00:33:41,030 --> 00:33:43,769
destroyed by over -collecting. You have
no right to withhold this from the
574
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:45,889
public. I've been studying this for a
lifetime.
575
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:48,489
Don't pretend to be a scientist. You're
nothing but a selfish, greedy creep.
576
00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:52,230
You've gone too far. No, you've gone too
far. Now, that's it. The study's over.
577
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:53,750
No one will see the Julian.
578
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:55,070
We're going back to L .A.
579
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,890
I'm just finding out my mother kept lots
of secrets.
580
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,410
From you?
581
00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:05,720
From the world, I guess.
582
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:09,020
I was raised by my dad, you know, in
Washington, D .C.
583
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Hardly saw my mother at all growing up.
584
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:16,219
I didn't really get to know her at all
until I came out here for college.
585
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,260
She always worked, as long as you can
remember.
586
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,970
Oh, yeah.
587
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,718
I remember once she took me to
Rumpelmeyer's in New York for ice cream
588
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,658
other kids.
589
00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:30,520
who turned out to be Caroline and John
Kennedy Jr.
590
00:34:30,521 --> 00:34:33,839
She'd been doing a profile on the
president.
591
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,178
Was that exciting, seeing your mother as
a well -known journalist?
592
00:34:37,179 --> 00:34:41,379
I guess that's about all I saw her as. I
mean, she'd visit maybe three times a
593
00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:46,259
year. It was tough for a woman to have a
career and family in those days, but
594
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:47,659
she did a worse job than most.
595
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:53,120
Once you got to know her, what was she
like?
596
00:34:53,380 --> 00:34:54,940
It wasn't easy for me to know her.
597
00:34:54,941 --> 00:34:58,739
Maybe she wouldn't have gotten on that
plane if I'd been more insistent about
598
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:59,820
seeing her that night.
599
00:34:59,821 --> 00:35:04,039
From what I know about your mother, I
don't think anything would have stopped
600
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,400
her. Still, it was easier not to push
it. We were just both feeling our way.
601
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,560
When she said she couldn't make it, I
was relieved.
602
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,320
Don't lay that on yourself.
603
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,940
Let me show you something.
604
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,540
I just found this yesterday.
605
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:21,630
She generally didn't let people in this
room.
606
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,540
I don't know why she...
607
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:25,740
She never let me see this before.
608
00:35:57,450 --> 00:36:00,750
Lou Brandt will continue in a moment
here on A &E.
609
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:02,790
To Lou Brandt.
610
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:06,200
Come in.
611
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:08,450
Sorry it didn't work out.
612
00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:10,730
Well, don't check out yet.
613
00:36:11,010 --> 00:36:12,570
There's still a chance it might.
614
00:36:12,571 --> 00:36:15,869
Keith, I've been here two days and I'm
going back empty -handed.
615
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:17,190
You want to face my editor?
616
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:18,800
I have an idea.
617
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:21,230
It's kind of off the wall, but it might
work.
618
00:36:21,231 --> 00:36:24,069
Well, I'm not the one you've got to
convince.
619
00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:25,120
On a good day.
620
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:29,300
Bob could be witty, wise, best companion
you could want. Yeah.
621
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,500
But they were bad days?
622
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:36,719
The black hole, that's what he called
it. Just coming out of your basic black
623
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,760
hole, he'd say, but onward and upward.
624
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:41,480
You mean he was depressed a lot?
625
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,779
Well, after 20 years in the business,
Bob had evolved a certain view of
626
00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:49,720
that we were selfish, petty, and
incapable of being saved.
627
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:53,740
I don't hold that opinion myself, except
during election years.
628
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:56,710
Was he married?
629
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,180
He was divorced twice.
630
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,900
Why? Drinking, maybe?
631
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,059
Well, his first wife said that she went
crazy because all he could worry about
632
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:07,220
was writing.
633
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:11,290
And his second wife went crazy because
all he could worry about was not
634
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,900
Do you have his book?
635
00:37:12,901 --> 00:37:14,139
Oh, yeah.
636
00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:16,380
What was he like when he was working on
this?
637
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,580
Oh, he worked like crazy on that for
over two years, but still didn't have
638
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,960
So, he took a leave of absence.
639
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,559
Went to New Hampshire, lived in a cabin
in the woods, and came forth with the
640
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,170
manuscript. That seems pretty
disciplined to somebody with a drinking
641
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:33,640
There's a paradox about Bob.
642
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,179
There was discipline and dedication that
went through him like a steel bar, but
643
00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:39,230
also despair.
644
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,280
Even when the book became a bestseller?
645
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,179
Oh, he was high on it for a while, had
all sorts of offers, including a two
646
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:46,230
-book contract.
647
00:37:46,231 --> 00:37:50,299
Which he turned down? Which he accepted,
and then had a nervous breakdown over
648
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:53,879
it. Just didn't think that he could
write another book as brilliantly as the
649
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,200
first. He froze.
650
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,980
He sank to the bottom.
651
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,590
Terrified. Did you see him much during
that period?
652
00:38:01,660 --> 00:38:03,580
No, nobody saw him. He just dropped out.
653
00:38:03,581 --> 00:38:07,899
Well, I can tell you where he went.
However, if you want to follow that dark
654
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:13,200
trail... What is the name of the ice
hockey team from St. Louis, Missouri?
655
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,610
Oh, I know it!
656
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,910
You'll be able to watch that on Triple
Pile Park.
657
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,610
about Bob O 'Brien.
658
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,580
He left here about six months ago.
659
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:28,140
Excuse me, miss, but are you talking
about Bob O 'Brien?
660
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,530
Yes.
661
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,760
Man, that wasn't fair.
662
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:36,640
I can't believe it. And I was going to
show him my outline next week.
663
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:38,800
I'm writing a story about him.
664
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:42,920
An obituary, actually, and I need to
know what he was like when he lived
665
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:46,420
When they brought him into detox, he was
half dead.
666
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,920
He stabilized, and then he came here.
667
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:52,020
Turned out to be one of our more
outgoing residents.
668
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,470
I could relate to him because of the
booze.
669
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:57,890
But also, he understood what I was
trying to say.
670
00:39:57,891 --> 00:39:59,289
What do you mean?
671
00:39:59,290 --> 00:40:00,730
I mean, in my stories.
672
00:40:00,970 --> 00:40:02,490
He would read my stories.
673
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:07,090
Bob eventually hired Lionel to do
research for him on prisoners who write.
674
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:10,210
Well, I've been inside a few times, so I
know.
675
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:13,350
But also, he really liked my stuff.
676
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:15,490
You mean he could take your work?
677
00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:17,190
Yeah, and he had rules.
678
00:40:17,191 --> 00:40:20,749
And if you didn't follow him, he
wouldn't have nothing to do with you.
679
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:22,530
Like, you had to write every day.
680
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:24,310
You had to keep a journal.
681
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:26,650
You had to make a schedule of your plot.
682
00:40:26,890 --> 00:40:28,910
And then you had to put it on index
cards.
683
00:40:28,911 --> 00:40:32,449
And that's what I was going to show him
next week.
684
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:34,569
Did he work with other people here as
well?
685
00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:35,609
No, ma 'am.
686
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:36,870
I'm the only other writer.
687
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:38,550
So he trusted me, you see.
688
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:40,570
Trusted you? How?
689
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:43,520
I used to go over to his place and type
up stuff for him.
690
00:40:43,690 --> 00:40:45,270
So he gave me an extra set of keys.
691
00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:47,140
See, look.
692
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,400
He gave me his keys.
693
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,059
See, Keith is the only one who knows
where the barley field is. So if we
694
00:40:58,060 --> 00:41:00,880
cars, the colonel will think he's
following Keith.
695
00:41:00,881 --> 00:41:04,859
But actually, I'll be in the Jeep, and
Keith will be heading off to the field.
696
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:06,780
When do you get to take the pictures?
697
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:08,230
I lose the guy.
698
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:10,340
And that's easy on these country roads.
699
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:11,620
And then I'll meet Keith.
700
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,380
It's got to be this way.
701
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,460
These moths are only flying a few more
days.
702
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:20,530
I don't care how baroque you get, just
get the pictures.
703
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:22,380
No excuses.
704
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:28,370
Problem? I respect the right of any moth
to be happy to multiply.
705
00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:30,660
Does not when it gets in the way of a
story.
706
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:34,260
You know that this planet is losing
species at the rate of one a day?
707
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:37,020
Yeah, we lost a lot of species before
man came along.
708
00:41:37,021 --> 00:41:39,949
Still, I'd blow that assignment rather
than lead that guy to the moth.
709
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:41,000
You're not serious.
710
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:43,730
Sure I am. Of course, I got more guts
than animal.
711
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:45,440
And a lot more tenure.
712
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:05,970
Is this O 'Brien's system?
713
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:08,000
Oh, yes, ma 'am.
714
00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:11,910
Oh, but it wasn't there last time.
715
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:14,970
It looks like the outline for a new
book.
716
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:17,760
Yeah.
717
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:20,400
Sometimes he leaves tapes for me to
transcribe.
718
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:23,390
It happened on Tuesday morning.
719
00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:27,390
In other news, let's see. Woke up today
feeling clear.
720
00:42:27,610 --> 00:42:28,660
Worked three hours.
721
00:42:28,661 --> 00:42:31,129
Got almost through the first draft of
chapter one.
722
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:33,470
This is his journal. He kept it on tape.
723
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,659
downstairs. She said she knew she could
visit because all I was doing was
724
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:40,660
typing. I told her never to visit when
she heard typing.
725
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,440
I hope I wasn't too stern with her.
726
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,220
I hope I was stern enough.
727
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:48,200
She lived in this house since 1918.
728
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,600
Told me again about the days when Orange
Grove stretched from here to the hills.
729
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,860
I've got to call Lionel.
730
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:58,760
Find out how he's done.
731
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,190
If he's good enough, maybe I can use his
piece in the book.
732
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:11,039
And the old lady reminds me, our need to
remember the past is narcotic, a
733
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,570
defense against the terror of the
present moment.
734
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:26,220
I think you're really captured, Paula.
735
00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:28,140
You don't think I was too rough?
736
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,300
You described the guy the way he was.
737
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,300
Some people liked him, some didn't.
738
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:33,860
I did.
739
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:34,920
Nice job.
740
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:36,020
Thanks.
741
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:38,520
Of course, you edited the heart out of
my part.
742
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:42,540
Billy Newman.
743
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:45,530
Oh, hi, Ted. How was your flight?
744
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:48,720
You find any great short stops in
Sarasota?
745
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:51,990
No, I'm fine.
746
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:54,070
I'm just finishing this piece.
747
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:56,630
You really want to hear?
748
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:59,300
Okay.
749
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:02,690
I'm skipping down near the end.
750
00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:09,189
Yet there was something important and
basic to journalism to the lives of the
751
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:10,240
three who died.
752
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:13,730
There was the courage and patience of
being a pro.
753
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:17,450
Fierce competition and self -doubt, too.
754
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:22,670
In the end, they chose to take a risk
because that was part of their job.
755
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:28,030
Ben Pomeroy, Helen Patterson, and Bob O
'Brien all made a choice.
756
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:30,270
The same choice over and over.
757
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,340
no matter how stormy their lives.
758
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,359
Like a needle returning steadily to a
true direction, they held a commitment
759
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,410
do a job well.
760
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:42,360
There's a dignity and quiet grace in
that.
761
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,490
Is it comfort enough for those who knew
them?
762
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:47,160
It will have to be.
763
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,730
Okay.
764
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,620
Well, Julian Sphinx Moth is alive and
well in Kern County.
765
00:44:59,621 --> 00:45:01,239
Glad to hear it.
766
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,660
16 adults were sighted as well as 72
pupae. They counted?
767
00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:06,910
Very carefully.
768
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,759
And I hear when they hatched or emerged
or whatever it is they do, it was real
769
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,660
spectacular. You hear?
770
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,600
No, I didn't get the pictures.
771
00:45:16,511 --> 00:45:18,439
Why not?
772
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,199
It was a choice between leading this
maniac collector to the site and having
773
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,119
eventually destroy an entire species by
killing specimens and selling them or
774
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,200
not getting the shots.
775
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:30,090
I decided not to get the shots.
776
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:31,750
That's the third time, animal.
777
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:35,280
I could have you suspended for a week
without paying.
778
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:37,870
But I won't.
779
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:42,510
Long live the Sphinx mob.
780
00:45:47,350 --> 00:45:51,909
What does sex and gender mean to people
of other cultures? Look around the world
781
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:56,390
to find out in the A &E special
presentation, The Opposite Sex,
782
00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,280
Now. A young recruit undergoes the
rigors of the police academy course.
783
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,920
Kurt Russell stars in Police Story, next
on AMA.
784
00:46:03,970 --> 00:46:08,520
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