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I remember the guards brought
Kaczynski in
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and he was in shackles,
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and he was wearing
a white jumpsuit.
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And he looked very small and...
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I was, I was nervous.
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Okay, so...
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Newsreader: The killer called,
the Unabomber,
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has terrorized this country
for nearly 18 years now.
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In addition to killing
three people,
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his attacks have wounded
23 others, some seriously.
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Ted Kaczynski is known
as "the Unabomber".
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Those kinda guys are rare
and they're terrible.
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And Ted was terrible.
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This guy was a pop culture
icon.
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I mean, people wanted him
to run for President.
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I love this one. This is one
of my favorites.
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The Unabomber to a lot of
kids was inspiration.
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He's inspired Hollywood
movies.
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And the blood will be on
your hands.
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Why would somebody try
to kill you?
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Why would they do that to you?
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I was shocked by the...
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the three years at Harvard
University in an experiment.
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It's perverse. It's sick.
It doesn't work.
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But that's what Kaczynski
was subjected to.
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Well, I think it, it takes
a whole perfect storm
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to create someone as violent
as my brother.
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He was a good friend.
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It was as if he was in pain,
but I couldn't say why.
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I never would have thought
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that my neighbor was sitting
in that little cabin
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creating bombs
and killing people.
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It was the most expensive
investigation
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in the history of the FBI.
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Reporter: Are you
the Unabomber?
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It was Linda who cracked
the Unabomber case.
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For me, it was easy.
We had to do something.
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Every journalist in the
United States, in the world,
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would love to get the first
interview with Ted Kaczynski.
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By his invitation,
he approached me.
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My writing and his writing
were very similar.
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He comes right out and says it.
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* Man,
now what has been done *
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* Man can't stand himself *
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* Or where he's told
that he belong *
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* Man don't understand *
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* Man blames everyone *
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* Everyone under the sun *
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* Tell me what has Man become *
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* Man can't help himself *
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* Don't know where he can run *
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* Man can't run for help *
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* Can't stand anybody else *
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* Man don't know
where he's from *
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* Don't know where he belong *
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* Now would Man trade tomorrow *
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* For a time long forgotten *
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Ted: No. It was
simply anger and revenge,
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and I was...
was gonna strike back.
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Try not to get blown up.
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* Man don't understand *
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* What has man become *
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You have an individual living
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in a little cabin by himself
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in essentially a wilderness area
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right outside a very small town.
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He doesn't have a car,
doesn't have electricity,
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doesn't have power tools,
doesn't have a job...
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I figure he's one of those
guys holed up somewhere,
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obsessing, reading every
article he can find
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on the ills of society
as he sees them,
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and, you know, pounding his
fist on the table saying,
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"I gotta do something
about this."
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And the kinda guy that
the neighbors say,
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"He was a little torqued,
but he kept to himself.
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Kinda quiet."
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Joel: The cabin is 10 by 14
feet
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uh, and is full of stuff.
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His heat is provided only
by a potbelly stove.
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It's smoky, there's soot
everywhere,
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it's dark.
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And he's been doing a great
deal of work in there.
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Apparently, the work
to construct these bombs
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has all been done in the cabin.
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Newsreader: Good evening.
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We begin tonight with an
emergency security alert
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issued in California today.
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The government says there is
a credible threat
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that a passenger jet
may be bombed
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from a man the FBI calls
the Unabomber.
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Joel: He's causing all kinds
of havoc,
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he's causing all kinds of
public concern.
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Newsreader: Police are swarming
around the terminals
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at Los Angeles International
Airport.
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Airlines have stopped loading
the 200 tons of mail
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that leave here daily.
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It's being screened
at a nearby postal facility
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for the possibility
of letter bombs.
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LAX is closed
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and security goes to,
you know, DEFCON 4.
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Newsreader: Security has been
heightened
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and with it, anxiety.
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The Unabomber's unique campaign
of terror started in 1978-
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in 16 separate bombing
incidents.
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Three people have been killed,
another 23 injured.
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Joel: He's been going on
for decades it seems.
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Newsreader: The FBI is warning
everyone
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to look out for unusual
packages.
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If it appears suspicious
in any way, shape, or form
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then they should contact
their local police.
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Kevin: Nobody knows who he is.
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It's, it's creepy. It's creepy.
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Not knowing is a hard thing.
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I didn't know who this was
for nine years.
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So, basically, you're dealing
with a ghost.
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It's a killer on the loose
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and he's got a wide range
of targets.
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There's a tremendous sense
of public fear at this point
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and there doesn't seem to be
any clear sign
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that the task force is going
to be able to stop him
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anytime soon.
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More than 100 FBI agents
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are working the Unabomber case.
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It was the largest manhunt
in American history,
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and it was estimated
to cost $50 million.
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Is he a terrorist
or a freedom fighter?
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Is he a revolutionary
or a serial killer?
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What you have are the facts
of the case to work with.
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If you can figure out the why,
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you may be able to figure out
who's doing it.
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The interview I did
with Kaczynski
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was the first interview
he allowed,
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three years after
he was arrested,
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and it was an historical
opportunity.
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David: I struggle with this
because I don't know
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exactly what happened to Ted.
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I thought my brother was the
best human being on earth;
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that he would change the world
and do a great deal of good.
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I didn't like the guy.
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But Dave loved his brother
all the way through, I think.
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And his mother, of course,
loved Ted as well.
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But I didn't.
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He may have been a nice person
at some point in his life,
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but something happened
and he became a...
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a killer.
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I've spent much of my life
trying to understand that.
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I mean, why?
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The Unabomber's first bomb
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ended up at Northwestern
University
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based on a return address.
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The return address on the
package was to a professor
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in the technological institute.
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The bomb was found in
a parking lot.
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It's got a label on it,
it's got postage on it,
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it's ready to be mailed.
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So why wasn't it mailed?
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Why is it laying
in this parking lot?
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We reconstructed it exactly
how it was,
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and that's when we found
it wouldn't fit
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through the door of the mailbox.
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So, the bomber probably
built it,
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got to the mailbox
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and it wouldn't fit.
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And then what do you do?
Well, you drop it and you leave.
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And it was retrieved by
an officer
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from the, uh,
Department of Security.
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It did partially detonate
which caused minor injuries.
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No one recognizes this bomber.
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No one has seen
this bomber's work before.
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The bomber is clever,
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but he's clearly not an expert
bomb maker.
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He's making these clumsy bombs
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with wooden ends to them,
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using black powder
as a propellant.
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He's using this kind of very
crude detonating system -
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match heads.
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They're not all that
sophisticated.
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Greg: Bomb 2 was sent
May 9th 1979,
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at Northwestern University
as well.
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And this one was left
on a table.
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The bomb is built in
a cigar box.
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Um, it's not terribly large.
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It's simply left there for
whoever is going to open it
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and someone eventually does.
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It's got batteries and wires,
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and the explosive mixture
is smokeless powder,
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the sort of propellant
you would find
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in a firearm cartridge,
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and, in some cases, match heads,
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which have been meticulously
cut off of matches
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to fill a tube or a container.
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So that tells us, again,
that we're dealing with someone
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who, at this point, is not
terribly sophisticated
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in building bombs
and delivering them.
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He's figuring it out.
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After bomb number two,
he wrote,
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"I had hoped that the victim
would be blinded
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or have his hands blown off,
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or be otherwise maimed.
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Well, live and learn.
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I wish I knew how to get
a hold of some dynamite."
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Most criminals aren't able
to operate
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in such a vacuum.
People know what they're doing,
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either because they boast
about it,
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or because they have people
around them,
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or... for whatever reason,
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they can't keep their
activities that secret.
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He was able to. He lived in
the middle of nowhere.
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Here in rural Montana,
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for someone to live off the grid
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and be reclusive, be a hermit,
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it didn't raise any red flags
to us
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because if you want to do
something like that,
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then rural Montana is
the perfect spot.
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Ted was the kind of person
that you, you could meet
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and you could know him
for 25 years, like me,
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but never know any more real
details about him
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than you did in the first
few years.
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All the neighbors got
like junk cars sitting around
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and he'd just go
and help himself to...
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whatever parts and pieces
he needed to make his bombs.
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And it was like
he didn't even think
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he was doing anything wrong.
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I have quite a large boneyard,
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uh, with everything that
anybody could need
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to do pretty much everything.
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There's hundreds
and hundreds of feet
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of every kind of color
and gauge of wire,
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and you're not going to miss
something like that.
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Did I suspect Ted
of taking stuff?
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No.
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I think it started when
I was about five years old.
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I was terrified to sleep
in my room.
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And I was hearing something
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in the middle of the night -
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footsteps, rummaging around.
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I would run into my parents'
room and say,
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"There's somebody out there."
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And they would just be like,
"You're dreaming.
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Go back to bed."
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Joel: The third bomb
is a package
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which is sent through the mail
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and it ends up on an airliner,
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on an American Airlines flight.
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This one is different in
its design.
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And it is designed to function
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based on being triggered by
an altimeter,
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an altimeter which is
constructed from a barometer
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such as you might find in a,
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a home weather station.
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So, when the plane reaches
a certain altitude,
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the device functions,
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can cause an explosion.
255
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The FBI says an American
Airline 727
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with 80 persons aboard
landed safely today
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at Washington's Dulles
International Airport
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after a small bomb exploded
259
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in a mail pouch
in the cargo hold.
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American Flight 444
en route from Chicago
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landed without injury to any
of the passengers or crew.
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It's rather sophisticated
263
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in the sense that the builder
has created an altimeter
264
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and, of course,
where it was placed
265
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had the potential to cause
mass casualties.
266
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So it's,
it's incredibly serious.
267
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"The plan was
to blow up airliner in flight.
268
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Unfortunately,
plane not destroyed.
269
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Bomb too weak."
270
00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:51,320
At this point,
connections begin to be made.
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US government recognizes
that they're dealing with
272
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a serial bomber.
273
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He becomes known as
the Unabomber:
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university and airline bomber.
275
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That's what the, the FBI tags
the project as, Unabomber.
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Uh, or Unabomb.
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Ted's mother would
send him money.
278
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He would say,
"I've got some chest pain
279
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and they say I should
have some tests,
280
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but I don't have the money",
281
00:18:47,751 --> 00:18:51,092
and would, in a sense,
scam her into sending money,
282
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which he would then use
to make, uh, bombs.
283
00:18:56,635 --> 00:18:59,556
Here's a guy who
is targeting victims
284
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that he has no personal
relationship with.
285
00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:05,558
It's unclear exactly
what the pattern is.
286
00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:33,259
The librarian,
who he befriended,
287
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she was, unknowingly,
giving him books
288
00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,756
which he used to target,
uh, people for his bombs.
289
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,263
And it was a pretty long list.
290
00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,346
He was going to start
killing people
291
00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:46,441
as soon as the weather
got better.
292
00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:00,528
We don't know
who's on the list.
293
00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,453
You have to wonder,
"Am I next?"
294
00:20:05,788 --> 00:20:10,288
Some dots can be joined
but they are few
295
00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:12,253
and a little bit fuzzy.
296
00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:17,720
You have a bomber who's not
terribly skilled
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at creating bombs
298
00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:23,098
and is clearly spending a great
deal of time creating them
299
00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,138
based on the... the parts
300
00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:27,603
that he has to accumulate
from various places
301
00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,522
or, in some cases, make himself.
302
00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:32,863
So, all of these things tell you
303
00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:35,648
something about the bomber,
304
00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:37,073
but is it, at this point,
305
00:20:37,111 --> 00:20:39,411
enough to lead to the bomber's
identity? No, it's not.
306
00:20:41,199 --> 00:20:43,199
Chris: I assumed that he
might've been a, a GI -
307
00:20:43,241 --> 00:20:45,491
that had had a real bad
experience in Vietnam -
308
00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:49,076
coming home and just wanted to
be off in the woods by himself.
309
00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,133
I saw him walking and uh...
310
00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:52,876
you know, he had a little
knapsack,
311
00:20:52,919 --> 00:20:54,459
hiking down the road.
312
00:20:54,502 --> 00:20:55,923
So, I'll stop and offer him
a ride,
313
00:20:55,962 --> 00:20:58,593
and he was very cordial,
and he said, "No, thank you."
314
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:12,395
This is a bomb that's
different from the others.
315
00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:14,817
This is in a hollowed-out book.
316
00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:19,067
A book called "Ice Brothers",
by Sloan Wilson.
317
00:21:19,112 --> 00:21:21,531
It is accompanied by a letter
318
00:21:21,571 --> 00:21:24,082
and the letter is intended
to encourage him
319
00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:25,656
to want to read the book.
320
00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,411
So, the book has been
hollowed out
321
00:21:27,452 --> 00:21:29,333
and turned into a box
322
00:21:29,371 --> 00:21:31,790
to contain an explosive device.
323
00:21:36,921 --> 00:21:38,773
Newsreader: Bleeding heavily
from cuts in his face,
324
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,218
left hand and leg,
325
00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:43,218
Wood managed to walk next door
for help.
326
00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,681
Interviewee: There was blood
all over his face,
327
00:21:45,721 --> 00:21:49,181
and he had... his hand
was really bloody.
328
00:21:50,392 --> 00:21:52,327
He was shocked that somebody
would do such a thing,
329
00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:55,231
but he didn't-he had no idea
who it was from or why.
330
00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:58,538
You talk to someone who's
been blown up,
331
00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:00,646
or who's had a loved one
blown up,
332
00:22:00,693 --> 00:22:02,864
and it's awful.
333
00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:04,194
That doesn't go away.
334
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,779
The fear and the anguish
335
00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:11,119
and the trauma that gets burned
into their beings
336
00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,874
by an attack like that
337
00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:14,414
does not dissipate.
338
00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:17,295
Hospital officials say
that surgery
339
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:20,375
to remove bomb fragments
from his leg was successful
340
00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,761
but Wood is expected to remain
in intensive care
341
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,220
for at least a few more days
under police guard.
342
00:22:26,261 --> 00:22:28,561
He wrote: "I feel better.
343
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:32,564
I'm still plenty angry.
344
00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,391
I'm now able to strike back."
345
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,319
The task force is being asked
346
00:22:37,396 --> 00:22:39,027
to find solutions to all of this
347
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,695
by catching this person
before he can do anything else.
348
00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,736
The pressure was just
incredible.
349
00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:48,277
He's mailing things.
350
00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,445
There are components that
get found at the scene.
351
00:22:51,494 --> 00:22:55,494
Why haven't the clues led
to him yet?
352
00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:57,171
We have a lot of evidence
to work with.
353
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:59,299
We have bombs to work with,
354
00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:02,416
we have a handful of letters
from the Unabomber.
355
00:23:02,463 --> 00:23:04,723
A number of them have
Eugene O'Neill stamps
356
00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:06,508
attached to them.
357
00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:09,721
Is that a message? Does it have
some meaning to the bomber?
358
00:23:09,762 --> 00:23:12,353
Or is that simply
what the bomber got
359
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:16,099
when he went to the postage
machine? We don't know.
360
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,144
Is there significance
to the fact
361
00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:20,818
that these devices use
a great deal of wood
362
00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:22,607
in their construction?
363
00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:27,161
Does the bomber have some
interest in wood
364
00:23:27,489 --> 00:23:29,868
or is it just happenstance?
365
00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:33,406
We're trying to figure
this thing out.
366
00:23:33,452 --> 00:23:36,623
We're trying to figure out
where the clues might lead,
367
00:23:36,664 --> 00:23:37,954
what people...
368
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,539
in the investigative community
already know.
369
00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:43,415
Uh, it's very,
it's very frustrating.
370
00:23:43,462 --> 00:23:46,262
Criminals often operate in
the areas
371
00:23:46,299 --> 00:23:48,299
in which they are most
comfortable.
372
00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:53,055
The first devices are placed
in Chicago.
373
00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:56,138
So, this is a person
who is probably,
374
00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:58,224
if we're guessing at this point,
375
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,020
probably from the Chicago area.
376
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:03,529
Our family had moved from a...
377
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,237
inner-city neighborhood
in Chicago
378
00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:07,607
out to a home in the suburbs.
379
00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:10,743
It was our first like
single-family dwelling.
380
00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661
You know my memories of
growing up
381
00:24:13,701 --> 00:24:15,372
with my brother and my family
382
00:24:15,413 --> 00:24:18,333
were very, very positive,
very warm memories.
383
00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:27,587
This one I think...
I think is Dad, Ted and myself,
384
00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:30,762
taken, I believe, at one of
our favorite hiking places,
385
00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:33,603
a state park called
Starved Rock,
386
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:37,099
where they had some
lovely cliffs
387
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:39,313
that we would climb.
388
00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:45,403
My father had really loved
the nature.
389
00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:46,903
I think the love of nature,
390
00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:49,953
I think, came to both of us
through Dad.
391
00:25:07,588 --> 00:25:10,179
Our family valued
intelligence,
392
00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,086
success in school.
393
00:25:12,135 --> 00:25:13,796
My brother had skipped a grade
394
00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,925
and then went through
high school in three years.
395
00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:19,232
He was at Harvard University
at the age of 16,
396
00:25:19,268 --> 00:25:22,518
and I remember one of my
buddies telling another kid,
397
00:25:22,561 --> 00:25:25,731
"Hey, Dave's brother's really
smart, he's in Harvard.
398
00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:27,733
He's like another Einstein.
399
00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,945
Well, maybe not another
Einstein, but..."
400
00:25:29,987 --> 00:25:32,197
I said, "What do you mean,
not another Einstein?"
401
00:25:45,251 --> 00:25:48,382
He was a bit on the shy side,
402
00:25:48,422 --> 00:25:50,721
but definitely not antisocial.
403
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:55,720
Once he got to know you -
not once you got to know him -
404
00:25:55,761 --> 00:25:58,271
once he got to know you,
he could talk and talk.
405
00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:00,096
And we were talking about things
406
00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:02,231
that weren't trivial,
they weren't bullshit,
407
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:05,519
they were just, they were about
what was right and wrong.
408
00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:07,982
And Ted was concerned,
409
00:26:08,025 --> 00:26:11,105
and was more savvy than I was,
about corporate
410
00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:14,073
and, and governmental impact
411
00:26:14,114 --> 00:26:15,824
on the environment and on...
412
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,405
and on us.
413
00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:20,580
And some of the ideas
that he articulated later,
414
00:26:20,619 --> 00:26:24,079
I distinctly have memories
of talking about.
415
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,582
One roommate said that, uh,
416
00:26:57,615 --> 00:26:59,535
if they went down to the dining
hall and...
417
00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,196
saw him there and sat down
with him,
418
00:27:01,244 --> 00:27:03,615
he'd just-they never saw
anybody finish his food faster
419
00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:06,292
and without saying a word,
would just leave.
420
00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:08,593
You know, so I felt hurt
at first
421
00:27:08,625 --> 00:27:11,796
that, that he had just sort
of ignored
422
00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:15,087
or, or obliterated
our friendship,
423
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,723
but I wasn't alone.
424
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,559
I mean, he was...
he was not just shy,
425
00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:22,217
now he was really antisocial.
426
00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,351
Ted had come home from school.
427
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,684
You know, I was getting
a little more intellectual,
428
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:32,109
reading more serious books,
and I had some ideas
429
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:35,201
and I couldn't wait to tell
my big brother about my ideas,
430
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:36,447
but it seemed like, wow,
431
00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:39,449
he was very dismissive
of my ideas.
432
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,541
And he said, "You know, Dave,
433
00:27:41,576 --> 00:27:45,747
real smart people have
a sadistic streak.
434
00:27:45,788 --> 00:27:47,788
Almost all of them do."
435
00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:50,542
I was a little surprised
by that,
436
00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:53,205
but the behavior he showed
to me in putting down,
437
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:55,045
dismissing my ideas
438
00:27:55,089 --> 00:27:57,680
was what he had encountered
at Harvard
439
00:27:57,717 --> 00:28:00,467
when people were demeaning
toward him
440
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:03,893
when he-he expressed
his philosophy of life.
441
00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,212
When he resigned,
442
00:28:32,251 --> 00:28:34,672
his department chair said,
443
00:28:34,711 --> 00:28:36,672
"Gee, you know,
I want you to stay."
444
00:28:36,713 --> 00:28:39,594
And Ted Kaczynski
wrote in his diary,
445
00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:44,134
"This fool thinks I want
to remain at the university,
446
00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:47,101
when all I wanted was a job
to save enough money
447
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:49,271
so that I could buy
a piece of land
448
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:50,851
to live in the wild."
449
00:29:08,622 --> 00:29:11,291
"Wow, Ted, great! Go for it!"
450
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,042
You know. "This is wonderful.
451
00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,704
You're your own person,
you know, you're doing what...
452
00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:17,354
You're living in the way
that you want to
453
00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:20,681
rather than in the way other
people expect you to live."
454
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,051
So back behind here
455
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,090
is the road in which Ted
would use
456
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:05,756
to leave his cabin
457
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:09,064
and walk or bicycle into town.
458
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:11,229
And every time he would do that,
459
00:30:11,268 --> 00:30:14,768
he would pass my father
Butch Gehring's sawmill
460
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,772
over here on the right.
461
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:23,605
The sawmill is very loud
462
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,195
and probably very disruptive.
463
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,619
It's almost like
a very loud humming
464
00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:33,673
as a log would go through
the saw,
465
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:36,416
and so that was constant
all day long
466
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:38,420
while the mill was active.
467
00:30:39,837 --> 00:30:42,968
Ted probably would have been
very irritated
468
00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:44,798
to, to hear that noise.
469
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:57,515
He sanded the sawmill,
470
00:30:57,564 --> 00:31:00,153
putting sand into the engine
471
00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:04,201
so that it just goes through
the entire, the entire unit
472
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:05,567
and shuts it down,
473
00:31:05,614 --> 00:31:07,913
and they had to repair
everything
474
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:11,199
to be up and running again
and it was a huge cost.
475
00:31:11,243 --> 00:31:14,673
My dad, well, there was
nothing, really, he could do.
476
00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:16,826
He thought it could have been,
you know,
477
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,835
some kids playing a prank.
478
00:31:18,876 --> 00:31:22,126
I mean, he just didn't know
who, who did it.
479
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:27,644
There were those little times
480
00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:30,097
when I realized that
there was a whole side
481
00:31:30,137 --> 00:31:32,557
to this person that
I did not know.
482
00:31:32,598 --> 00:31:34,848
I just shudder to think
483
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,022
how I had, uh, unknowingly,
helped him
484
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:41,653
do the things that he did
that were so heinous.
485
00:31:46,904 --> 00:31:49,234
Ted was actually
at his home cabin
486
00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:53,041
and some motorcycles went
riding real loud, real fast,
487
00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:55,907
and he was livid, uh, furious.
488
00:32:28,946 --> 00:32:31,406
I mean, somebody
was very angry.
489
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,039
He didn't break the door in
to gain access,
490
00:32:34,076 --> 00:32:36,457
he chopped a hole right
through the wall.
491
00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,552
He went in and just destroyed
their cabin
492
00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:48,836
and then took a poop in
their tub
493
00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:52,295
and, and left.
494
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:26,300
He took a risk, you know,
looking back now,
495
00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:27,708
of being caught.
496
00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:29,023
The sheriff came
and talked to me.
497
00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:32,048
He knew that I knew Ted
and he said,
498
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,722
"Well, do you think that
that friend of yours,
499
00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:36,643
do you think he coulda
done that?"
500
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,021
And I said, "Oh, no."
501
00:33:38,057 --> 00:33:39,227
I said, "He wouldn't do...
502
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:41,267
you know, he's got his quirks.
We all do."
503
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:42,980
And I believe I was instrumental
504
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:45,770
in getting him removed
as a suspect.
505
00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:52,162
The FBI prides itself
506
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,616
on being able to solve
big crimes,
507
00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:58,948
and a lot of the way they do
that is you get tips.
508
00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,865
You get information coming' in.
509
00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:03,003
It's not so much you knocking'
on doors.
510
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,211
You gotta know where
to knock on doors,
511
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:08,380
and they're not getting
the door-knock tips.
512
00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:11,420
It's not coming to them.
It's driving 'em nuts.
513
00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,032
It's not unusual when a
serial killer's apprehended
514
00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:30,235
that the police had already
interviewed him
515
00:34:30,275 --> 00:34:32,775
once or even twice, all right?
516
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:36,661
They... you know, they have
an eye on a group of people.
517
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,949
Ted Kaczynski never showed up
on that kind of radar.
518
00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:02,268
One of the things that's very
interesting about Kaczynski
519
00:35:02,307 --> 00:35:04,478
is the personal is political.
520
00:35:04,518 --> 00:35:06,059
Everything that he's writing
about
521
00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:08,653
and talking about in
the abstract,
522
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:13,070
is also... related to very
concrete experiences
523
00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:15,110
that Kaczynski has had.
524
00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,936
It is frightening,
525
00:35:45,978 --> 00:35:47,807
sometimes, you know, terrifying,
526
00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:50,193
to find out what he was doing.
527
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:54,150
We had this logger
528
00:35:54,193 --> 00:35:57,702
that was learning to log
with Belgian horses.
529
00:35:57,739 --> 00:35:59,568
So, they're huge animals.
530
00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:03,786
And, um, when he brought
the logs off the hill,
531
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:05,329
it tore up the grass,
532
00:36:05,371 --> 00:36:09,331
and so, one day, Butch said,
goes,
533
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:11,125
"Seed that area up there."
534
00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:14,628
And Tessa was maybe
three years old.
535
00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:17,972
And uh, so,
I was up there seeding.
536
00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:20,469
And the trees were about
3 feet high,
537
00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,561
so she was just a toddler and
she would disappear into 'em.
538
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:29,978
And the hair on the back
of my neck went up,
539
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,231
and I thought it was
a mountain lion,
540
00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:36,532
and uh... so I told her,
"It's time to leave."
541
00:36:38,737 --> 00:36:41,117
But it turned out it was Ted.
542
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:43,577
He had a... a gun on her.
543
00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:50,791
And I asked the FBI after
they figured out it was Ted,
544
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:53,713
he had written in his journals.
545
00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:56,762
He had written something
about...
546
00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:59,217
it would be easy to take
the little bitch out,
547
00:36:59,257 --> 00:37:01,677
but then the big bitch
could get away.
548
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,099
Or if I shoot the big bitch,
549
00:37:03,137 --> 00:37:07,228
then the little bitch would be,
um, left on the hill.
550
00:37:11,311 --> 00:37:13,862
But it's too close to his home,
551
00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:15,528
and that's, you know,
552
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,606
he didn't want to bring
attention to himself.
553
00:37:18,652 --> 00:37:21,282
It's probably the only thing
that saved us.
554
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:46,224
The next bomb
was October 8th, 1981,
555
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,943
and was found by a maintenance
worker
556
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:52,436
in the University of Utah,
557
00:37:55,815 --> 00:37:58,355
and was defused.
558
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,150
So a bomb that is not detonated
559
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:03,485
provides a substantial amount
of evidence,
560
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:06,451
a better idea of how
it's constructed.
561
00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:10,041
The design is essentially
a can of gasoline
562
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,289
with a small pipe bomb
inside of it.
563
00:38:12,331 --> 00:38:15,751
Apparently, the intent is that
the pipe bomb will explode
564
00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:18,804
and create a large flame out
565
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,418
of the gasoline.
566
00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,425
It doesn't function that way,
567
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,887
uh, because it's recovered
intact,
568
00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:26,387
but it's very significant.
569
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,679
Apparently, he's branching out.
570
00:38:28,722 --> 00:38:30,813
He has come to Utah.
571
00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:32,730
He shows no sign of stopping,
572
00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:35,268
there's no reason to think
he will stop.
573
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,782
And it's sort of a race
against time now,
574
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,686
whether he can be caught
before he does another bombing.
575
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:00,213
Ted was sly
576
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:05,262
because we would think
he was holed up in his cabin,
577
00:39:05,302 --> 00:39:07,351
but he was in Salt Lake.
578
00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:10,927
He would come back
579
00:39:10,974 --> 00:39:15,023
and stay in the woods
until he got all scruffy again,
580
00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:16,731
and then we would see him.
581
00:39:18,523 --> 00:39:20,612
I think he planned a lot
of that.
582
00:39:25,737 --> 00:39:28,197
So the device which is mailed
to Vanderbilt University,
583
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,041
which is not opened by
its intended victim
584
00:39:30,076 --> 00:39:32,115
but by the victim's assistant,
585
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,791
is significant in,
in a couple of ways.
586
00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:36,210
It's mailed from Utah,
587
00:39:36,248 --> 00:39:38,748
so now we have another
connection to Utah.
588
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,503
It's also another design
in that it's a pipe bomb,
589
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:44,965
but the pipe in this case
is a P-trap,
590
00:39:45,007 --> 00:39:48,007
a plumbing pipe that
you'd find under a sink.
591
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:52,313
So, it appears that the bomber
is still experimenting
592
00:39:52,349 --> 00:39:54,228
with different designs.
593
00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:01,708
Newsreader: Fischer was the
intended victim of a bomb
594
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:04,072
sent to Vanderbilt University
by the Unabomber,
595
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:07,449
but his secretary, Janet Smith,
intercepted the package,
596
00:40:07,487 --> 00:40:10,737
opened it and was seriously
injured when it exploded.
597
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:18,378
Your usual serial killer
is hunting for women,
598
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,876
hunting for young boys,
599
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:22,878
hunting for vulnerable people
in dark alleys
600
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,550
or lonely roads.
601
00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:28,588
It's, it's not someone hunting
for... scientists.
602
00:40:29,467 --> 00:40:31,797
That stands out.
603
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:06,668
Unfortunately, despite years
of detailed investigative work
604
00:41:06,713 --> 00:41:08,474
and the extraordinary talents
605
00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:10,257
of the three law enforcement
agencies
606
00:41:10,302 --> 00:41:12,641
represented on the Unabomb
taskforce,
607
00:41:12,677 --> 00:41:14,927
we have no viable suspects.
608
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,514
Pressure to solve the case
is coming from all quarters.
609
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:21,269
There's political pressure;
610
00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:23,563
a lot of politicians
weighing in,
611
00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:27,936
criticizing the task force
for not having solved the case.
612
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,565
You have all the victims
and all their families
613
00:41:30,612 --> 00:41:33,873
who want to know why you
haven't solved this case yet.
614
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:38,197
What haven't we thought of?
615
00:41:38,246 --> 00:41:40,576
What investigative technique
616
00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:43,842
or program have we not
undertaken?
617
00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,259
He plans ahead carefully,
618
00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,297
he selects his targets.
619
00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:53,012
He is very forensically aware.
620
00:41:55,347 --> 00:41:57,137
The bomber is clever.
621
00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:59,981
You can leave fingerprints on
any of the components,
622
00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:03,307
you can leave fingerprints on
the inside of the tape.
623
00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,474
There're simply lots of ways
624
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:09,282
to have your fingerprints
appear, and they don't.
625
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:12,199
There're also lots of
opportunities
626
00:42:12,237 --> 00:42:14,407
to leave hair behind.
627
00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:16,659
There's no hair found in
any of these devices,
628
00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:19,041
nothing's stuck under
a piece of tape.
629
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,280
Newsreader: Professor
Diogenes Angelakos remembers
630
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,449
he was in the faculty lounge
631
00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:55,157
of the electrical engineering
building,
632
00:42:55,197 --> 00:42:57,527
when he saw a package sitting
on the floor.
633
00:42:57,574 --> 00:42:59,864
Professor: And it took all
the flesh off these fingers
634
00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:02,831
and left just the bones
in the upper part.
635
00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:07,336
"Frustrating...
636
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:10,166
that I can't seem to make
a lethal bomb."
637
00:43:12,672 --> 00:43:14,972
The 1982 Corey Hall device
638
00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:16,798
contains a note.
639
00:43:17,887 --> 00:43:19,556
It's a very short type-written
sentence:
640
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,177
"Wu", W-U, "It works!
641
00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:25,514
I told you it would, R.V."
642
00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:28,402
Now we have potentially a clue
643
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,190
or potentially an intended
red herring,
644
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,070
but it has to be run out
in either case.
645
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:38,583
You try to find people named Wu.
646
00:43:38,615 --> 00:43:42,155
Do they know anybody
who has initials named R.V.?
647
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:44,413
And if they don't,
we still will try to find
648
00:43:44,456 --> 00:43:46,666
all the people in that area
649
00:43:46,706 --> 00:43:49,206
who have, uh, the name R.V.
650
00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:51,958
You know, you could tell it
was a guy
651
00:43:52,003 --> 00:43:54,673
who was intellectually
enjoying this,
652
00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,755
and is not stupid.
653
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,141
Because a lot of criminals
are stupid,
654
00:43:59,177 --> 00:44:00,757
or at least ignorant,
655
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,764
and they don't do things
like the Unabomber did.
656
00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:05,938
They don't conduct their
campaign of terror
657
00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,056
the way the Unabomber
is conducting
658
00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:09,443
his campaign of terror.
659
00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:19,025
It makes you ask
where has this person gone?
660
00:44:19,072 --> 00:44:20,532
What's happened now?
661
00:44:20,574 --> 00:44:23,195
So, the possibilities
you have to consider
662
00:44:23,244 --> 00:44:26,414
are that he's already
some sort of criminal
663
00:44:26,456 --> 00:44:29,536
and perhaps he's ended up
in jail or prison.
664
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:32,804
It's just one more factor
to add to the picture
665
00:44:32,836 --> 00:44:34,336
that you're trying to build,
666
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,840
the picture you're trying
to paint of this bomber.
667
00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:43,347
I happened to be up doing
some digging,
668
00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:44,809
getting some gravel,
669
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:47,099
and I had-it was about
five o'clock.
670
00:44:47,143 --> 00:44:49,563
I remember it vividly.
I was going home.
671
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,489
It was an explosion.
672
00:44:55,527 --> 00:44:56,896
And I thought...
673
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,280
uh... the sound couldn't carry
from anybody mining
674
00:45:01,324 --> 00:45:03,123
on the other side of the divide.
675
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:04,449
It was a mystery.
676
00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:06,954
It was a mystery that I,
I never did solve.
677
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:18,219
Now the explosive mixture
changes to
678
00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:21,086
ammonium nitrate and aluminum
powder.
679
00:45:22,637 --> 00:45:25,556
You have to go to some
effort to create this.
680
00:45:28,016 --> 00:45:31,516
In 1985, the Unabomber
reappears.
681
00:45:31,563 --> 00:45:34,612
And he reappears in
a significant way.
682
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:37,824
'85 is a very busy year.
683
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,360
If it was possible to ratchet
up the pressure further,
684
00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:42,105
it did.
685
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,413
I think fear is a...
is a good word
686
00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:48,581
for what the public is feeling.
687
00:45:48,621 --> 00:45:51,920
There doesn't seem to be
a clear pattern
688
00:45:51,956 --> 00:45:54,666
that allows people to say,
689
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:56,710
"Well, it won't affect me."
690
00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,842
So, there are very few people
in the United States
691
00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:03,012
who can say,
"There's absolutely no chance
692
00:46:03,052 --> 00:46:05,391
that I could ever encounter
the Unabomber."
693
00:46:08,391 --> 00:46:12,391
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