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Previously on The Real Housewives of Orange Town.
Did you take Luke this morning? Where?
He had his... Stop it. He's possibly autistic and I feel like you simplify
have this son that's in crisis and I feel alone in that.
Some of it is an act for attention.
Katie had a meeting with a woman, Kiki Monique. Katie said that you told her
that I roofied you.
No, I didn't say that. I'm not going to just lie.
I didn't do it. Are you saying I just pulled this out of my ass?
You told me this and she said that. My God.
Gretchen believes Katie.
I'm out.
You told us the whole story. She said she was really sick. And was that
to be something more than that?
What the f*** is going on? I will be devastated if I find out that she's
up stories like this. Did you hear Slade talking about any of this naked wasted
stuff? Yeah. Right. So Gretchen, speak up. I am exhausted mentally with trying
to cover up for Gretchen and Slade. And quite frankly, Jen.
Say to them, shut the f*** up. You're the liar.
At what point will we not need humans anymore? We just have Chet GPC.
Are you going to have sex with a robot?
Cheers. Oh, you're such a douchebag.
How's dating life?
Me and Dawson are the exact opposite.
Do you have advice that you would give your brother?
I mean... First kiss yet?
You'll be the next 40 -year -old virgin.
That's not even nice.
Yeah, Dawson, not nice. That's not even nice.
Skye Gray, do you want to come help us take the chandelier down?
Can you turn the power off?
You don't want to get electrocuted?
You just unscrew it?
You have to disconnect.
Stop it! It's not funny!
Hi there. Welcome, Javier.
Thank you.
For two?
Yes. I didn't realize you could see the ocean.
This is nice.
Yeah. Are you going to have a margarita? I might have one. Welcome in. My name
is Eric. I'll be helping you out today.
Do you like guacamole, Dad?
Yeah, that'd be good. Can I have a skinny margarita?
Absolutely. That sounds good.
Okay. It's his 96th birthday today. Happy birthday, sir. And I'm not driving
today. Yeah, you are not.
I'll get that going for you. Thank you. Thank you.
So, Dad, I have to tell you, this young, very attractive girl came up to me and
said, this man came up to me and he said, please don't go. I'll take care of
you. And his name was Gene the Machine.
That was you.
When he goes out, he'll still walk up to the young ladies.
And it's like, he's a lot.
Oh, it was probably just a joke. You know that.
I don't know, Dad.
And what keeps him young? He's always laughing and all the power to him.
Cheers to another year, Dad. Always good to see you. Cheers to 97.
When's the last time you've been on a date?
Oh, it's been a while. For me, Dad, I don't want to date anyone right now. But
see you with gentlemen. They're not dates or what?
No. No?
I have a lot of friends that are men, and we do things as friends.
I'm happy by myself.
Well, do you think you'd change?
I mean, maybe if I met the right person, but...
Run into people all the time.
I was going to find you somebody.
I wish I could approach dating the way that my father does.
How are you? Oh, I love your dress. Oh, I like your outfit. What are you doing
tonight?
I'm old fashioned.
I don't want to be the pursuer. And I'm afraid of having my heart hurt. So I'm
like proceeding with caution.
Slowly. We decided on something.
I think a couple of tacos would be good. Thank you very much. So I don't know if
I told you this, but when I was in New Orleans, Tamara, who was not kind to me
last year, she apologized to me, which I appreciate. But I said I can't jump
back into the friendship like that. I mean, she kicked me when I was down. So
it's hard. It's hard to do. I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. I am more protective of my heart.
Today, based on past relationships.
I'm done wasting my life. I want to be happy.
Shannon has an interesting relationship with the truth.
I've been working so hard in therapy to recognize unhealthy relationships in my
life. And Tamara was one of them. And if I throw myself back to the wolves, I
only have myself to blame if I get hurt again.
Ooh, hello.
I heard that there's a birthday.
Mr. Gene the Machine. Oh, my God.
Happy birthday to you.
I mean, yeah, keep staring, Dad. Can you stare for another hour?
Happy birthday.
I don't know where she came from, but I like her.
Hi, welcome to Mindy. Thank you. I'm here to meet some friends.
All right, why don't you get your seat up in your chair. We'll be right with
you. Hi.
Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? You look beautiful.
I'm good. I just sit on your thigh like lovers.
Ladies, would you like something to start off with? I would just love a Diet
Coke. Do you have a spicy margarita but not too spicy?
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm happy that you reached out because I am happy to be here for you because I
know this is kind of a lot. Yeah. And I want to get to the bottom of it. Yeah.
Where I'm actually the most upset is why you're taking any conversation and
talking to a reporter.
I'm just feeling beyond betrayed.
I thought that I was in a safe space with people that I trusted and loved,
sharing something very personal and private with a journalist is not okay in
way, shape, or form.
My hope is that Katie will be exonerated in this. Yeah.
Hi. How are you?
Hi, Kiki. I'm Gretchen.
I'm Yana. We've met, sort of. Nice to meet you. Well, when did we meet? I
just on the phone on Shenanigans. Oh, that's right. I didn't know that was
Isn't that crazy? Hi. Thank you for doing this. Of course. Really.
We appreciate you being here.
I decided to call Kiki because it's the best way for me to move forward with
Katie. And with the group and to figure everything out is to know the truth.
Do you have like a fence there or any dry white? Yes, I do. Okay. Awesome.
Thank you. And I wanted a witness there because I didn't want it to be another
he said, she said situation.
I'm sorry that your name is even getting tossed around in all of this.
I would have never done this otherwise if it wasn't for that. You know, like, I
spent years kind of building up my reputation.
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, what happened for me is I was sideswiped with all of
this information when I was out in Louisiana.
And then I sat down with Katie, and I'm like, you would never say something like
that. And then she even said, as a matter of fact, I've never even spoke to
about you.
I had lunch with Kiki in October. I looked it up.
And she never brought up any of this at that lunch, Katie? Nope.
No.
I don't remember exactly how you came up, but she said that you guys had gone
dinner. And at the dinner, she was like, did you know at that naked wasted night
that Gretchen had to go to the hospital after and she was drugged?
And I was like, I mean, my jaw dropped. I was like, what? She said I said that.
She said that you told her that.
That is just literally insane to me. I don't even understand why she would say
that. I was trying to get more like her and Tamara haven't had a good
relationship. Why has this not come out? Exactly. Don't you think if I knew
something like that, I would have said that 17 years ago? I went out of my way
to stick up for her with all these women. And I'm feeling extremely
the person that I thought was my friend.
I don't even know what to say.
Gina was a topic too.
But, you know, it was. What do you mean? I mean, she said that she was trying to
wear Asian designer to showcase them.
And she said you came in and you saw her outfit and you looked at her and you
said, is that an Asian designer?
Implying, I guess it was meant to be sounding racist. I don't know.
She told me that she wanted to feature Asian designers, and I thought that was
cool. And then the next thing you know, she gets these shoes.
And every time she shows up, she's like, oh, my God, look at what I'm wearing.
All these fancy designers that are not Asian.
The Balmain.
I'm really thinking I'm wearing this Bottega dress.
You're trying to dress to impress, I think, the Bottega dress. At least I'm
excited about what I'm going to wear.
And I did say, oh, is that an Asian designer?
pissed at this girl by that point.
I realized I was like is she trying to feed me this so I sat on it but it felt
like she was telling me this because I think she thought I was going to do
something. I wanted to celebrate the fact that Katie wanted to come into this
group and celebrate culture and then she just didn't do any of it. This is just
another perfect example of all of her inconsistencies in all of her stories
it feels performative.
Thank you for being a reputable journalist and not running these
Yeah, I try to salvage my reputation.
No, of course.
All right. Thank you, friend. Thank you for driving down. Bye. Thank you.
Do you feel better at least you heard it directly from her? I mean, better?
I don't know if that's the right word, but, I mean, I guess I had to.
People can't do this to people.
I brought this girl here. You understand how I feel? This is like really messed
up on every level.
Like this is like now I'm starting to be scared about whatever everybody's been
trying to tell me forever.
And I wasn't listening and I'm mad at myself. I didn't listen.
But like how would I know?
No. I'll tell you what, Gretchen, I have your back and everybody else will have
your back.
I can promise you that. We all know the truth.
Hello. Hi.
By the way, this one crushed the volleyball game.
He's a killer. Dives into the floor.
Boom. Gather, gather on the table.
Can I sit here because I like the light?
So this is Texas Hold 'em, right? Dad and I are really good. We are super good
at this. I don't know how to play poker. This is my cheat sheet.
Do you want to look at this? Yeah.
When I have everyone home, it is so good. We have another apartment
in our building, so it's where everyone has dinner together. It's where we watch
television together.
It's like our family house. The penthouse is more for, quite frankly,
All right, so I'm dealer, so you put five.
Okay.
Look at me, I got a pair of seven. I'm already kicking your guy's butt.
Okay, Kat, so your first act, you can either bet or you can check and do
nothing. So, like, why?
Put your cards back. She's worse than us. Ace taught me how to play poker. I'm
terrible, but I love playing games with him, so I'll play whatever he wants.
Two pair, aces and seven.
He's a sore loser and a sore loser.
You can clearly tell poker is not a big game night event in our family since our
table is completely reflective and you can see everyone's cards.
Oh, so I was up at the house.
Yeah, I saw that post on Instagram. Does that mean we sold it? No, they thought
it would take 90 days to sell. 90 days? And the over -under is 19 to 21.
The Joshes have had a couple of showings, but no real bites yet.
Every real estate purchase is a gamble.
And this is what life's about, taking risks.
We just want to break even. If I had had a crystal ball and I could have seen
what was going to happen, would we have bought that property?
No. If we were going to get a family house somewhere, like a place where we
could have...
holidays, and where you could leave your stuff, where would that house be? In L
.A. For me, it's Palm Springs.
No. For me, it's Palm Springs. I don't want to come home from college and go to
Palm Springs.
For the time being, what we're doing is a Band -Aid. We will always need a place
to gather. I don't want them to just come for dinner. I want them to have to
stay. Guys, I have really good cars.
I fold.
I have no idea where the kids are going to end up, so I'm just going to wait
until they land somewhere, and then we'll worry about a family home.
Okay, so you have nothing. You have nothing? One pair.
She's got a pair of three.
A pair of kings.
A pair of kings.
You went all in on nothing?
Two pair.
Thank you. That is so not how to play this game.
You ever heard the expression poker face?
No. I know the Lady Gaga song.
When you get a little older, you get a little bolder.
I know Nauru is all about new beginning, spring. That's why it's spring and new
life and everything. But each one of these represents something.
Yes. What do the goldfish represent?
Water. Water. Okay. Like life. Yeah. Okay. A couple of the goldfish are dead,
but it's fine. They can just float around.
They die so high. I know.
Persian New Year is celebrating the spring equinox. It's the first day of
on the Iranian calendar. And Shane's mother is Persian. And she holds these
Persian New Year parties every year. They're beautiful and elaborate.
But because my father -in -law is in the hospital, that has been canceled.
So I felt like it was important that I continued on with the tradition.
Was this the same spread that you were going to do for Perry's?
No. No.
I love Persian culture, but my husband, who is actually half Persian, couldn't
name one thing on a half scene.
Can you name anything on a half scene?
Yeah, the goldfish.
Yeah, but what does the goldfish stand for? I don't know. I gave Shane some
kebab, and I said, see you later.
What else do you do on Persian New Year's? Don't you jump over fire?
We do. They say, take my weakness and give me your strength.
Well, I should jump over some fire. I need some strength.
How
are
you feeling today?
No, guys, I haven't seen anybody since we left New Orleans. So that's always
concerning. New beginnings.
Persian New Year, right? Yeah.
We left New Orleans and it was super tumultuous.
We feel scared because the concern is what happens next.
Persian New Year is all about new beginnings. So I'm hoping we could all
forward and start from zero.
I really just don't want to be there with Katie, but I also feel like I don't
want to not go to Emily's party.
Sorry, you have to go and deal with this.
I'm ready
for Persian New Year. Where are all my party people
at? Thank you.
Come on in. I mean, I was, so.
He only goes that far.
Togo, this is so beautiful.
You really put so much thought into it.
How do you think today is going to go? Here's the thing. I have two lie
people here.
Oh, okay, so you're doing this.
I just want to ask so many people so many things and just get it all out and
done with it.
Have her take a lie detector test.
I'm not talking about story with bloggers. Okay, listen, I believe you.
take a lie detector test. Lie detector test. Lie detector test.
We could invite everyone over to, like, my house, and then we'd just have
someone there to give everybody a lie detector test.
One's upstairs, and one's over in this office. There's two.
Okay. I'm not going to tell the women that they're here.
Okay. I think it's a good idea. Like, there are so many versions and so many
stories and so many he said, she said. Honestly, especially with the stuff
between Gretchen and obviously all the Katie stuff. Yeah.
It's so hard not to tell Emily about what happened with Kiki Monique because
want to tell her everything.
I made this packet. Please take a few minutes to anonymously ask two to three
burning questions.
But honestly, that's really for Gretchen to tell people.
So I'm just keeping my mouth shut.
How do you spell roofie?
I just put drug.
There you go.
Did their house get egged? What should I ask Jennifer?
How involved are you with the FBI?
Togo, take a seat, buddy.
Happy New Year!
You look so pretty!
Oh, thank you. That is for you.
Beautiful.
Wait, did someone egg your house, or is that part of the New Year? No, I did
that.
We want to, like, create a barrier so that the evil spirit can't get in.
Your itch -a -way is going to get pissed.
Hi! Hi!
How are you?
Oh my gosh, everything looks so pretty!
What happened to your... your nose.
Oh, I had a biopsy. Oh, okay.
It's a new accessory.
Oh, you love it. Yeah. I thought it was a B or A strip.
You're just getting rid of your blackheads. So we have homework ready.
We have homework.
Would you like me to share this with Heather? Would you like to share this
Heather? Wait, I need to talk to you for a second before the other girls come.
Um, did you invite Tamara? I texted her the same text that I sent to you guys.
Remember I texted her after she left and like, where are you? Are you okay? And
five days later she texted me. She was.
Pissed. Why not you understand where my head was? I do. And how I was feeling.
No, you're not. You're sitting here making me sound like I'm the bad person.
At you?
Oh, yeah. Pissed at me, pissed at all of us. Why is she mad at everyone?
Because she believes that everyone should have reached out to her to see if
was okay. She threw a fit. She told everybody to f*** off and she ran home.
What am I checking up on?
I think it's ridiculous.
You can't play victim in a situation that you don't even remember.
No. It's time to lay down, girl.
Should I have invited her? Because now I'm afraid she's going to come through
the door. And is she going to just come in hot?
Should I have invited her? Because now I'm afraid she's going to come through
the door. And is she going to just come in hot?
Did you get egged?
I egged myself.
I said the same thing.
What happened with the egg?
Hi.
You got egged. Gina and I did it. We were getting rid of evil spirits.
Hi.
What I need everyone to do is ask a question that you want to know about
woman in this group, and then we're going to do an activity later.
And it's anonymous.
It is anonymous?
Yeah. Oh, I just put my name on it.
Shannon. Hi.
Come on in. Happy Persian New Year. Hello.
Hi. I had a biopsy. It's fine. Good.
How are you?
Good. Thank you.
Perfect. How are you? Good. Thank you. You look beautiful.
Want some food? Well, let's get some food.
Do you want to look at my Persian spread?
Yes. Because you appreciate good party planning.
I'm confused.
I'm literally on the outs with everyone because I was covering her lie.
Shouldn't you be like, yeah, that's amazing you did that instead of treating
like a piece of shit? I just want to say, why?
Like, why would you lie straight to my face that you didn't tell Kiki? I just
feel like it is not the right place or time to have that argument with her. And
so I just have to keep my cool at this moment.
I have a little fun activity that we're going to do later.
You just have to ask a couple questions that you have for each lady, and it's
anonymous. How do we know they're going to tell the truth? Maybe I have truth
serum. Ooh.
That's called vodka.
Actually, the alcohol isn't here yet. I'm sorry.
It's a religious thing?
Is there a cash bar?
I mean, she's a party planner. She would never do that.
Like, can I really ask anything I want to ask in the nature of being very kind?
Jen! Give us some examples.
Well, I already wrote one for you, and then I crossed it out because I was
it's just not worth pissing you off.
It's okay.
I mean, I'm just going to do the obvious one.
I don't know what to do.
Gretchen? Are you going to be honest?
It's a new beginning.
New beginning.
The truth will set us free. Is your hair real, bitch? That's what I want to
know. Is your hair real? I don't know what's happening there, but I'm going to
get to the bottom of it.
Are they nice?
What are they supposed to mean? Thank you for asking that, Shannon. Shannon,
you new?
So this is going to make us all be truth tellers?
You're right. I called the paparazzi.
Yeah. You can ask that.
Are you? I know you're not.
I'm not. I can't. Well, there is a plan.
We will get through this day.
Okay. I promise you.
I appreciate you.
Is everybody getting food?
Is that a date?
Ooh, yum.
Question of the hour.
Is somebody named Tamara Judge coming?
Oh, I think so. She thinks so, but she's mad at me. She's mad at everybody.
That's ridiculous.
Tamara's mad?
She can storm off, she can publicly quit, and then expect everyone to
her or forget what's happened. But she doesn't give other people that grace.
I had a conversation with Shane. I said, I think maybe I should reach out. Life
happened, and I got overwhelmed by what was going on with my son, and I just...
It's not a priority at the moment. She can't always be the priority. No.
What am I going into?
I'll end up being the dick for not being like, oh, Lewis, I'm happy you're back.
No, you won't.
Do you think you can get rid of me that easy?
Look who it is.
You're mad at me?
It's Todd, you didn't call me.
No, I get it. I have a lot of stuff going on with Luke, which I haven't
with you.
Are you okay?
You know, he has an eating disorder.
And when we came back from New Orleans, he had regrets.
So it was very hard for me to focus on anything else. I'm sorry. I should have
reached out to you. No, no, it's okay. No, I mean, I should have. No, it's
It's okay. I'm just going to go say hello to Tamara and get a little rest.
I want to nip it now.
I want to nip it now.
I'm sorry.
Thank you.
Sorry. Oh, because everything's just peachy keen and fine.
You can tell people off. You can go on social media. You can take a vacation.
And you'll be welcomed with open arms. Open arms. But do you understand that I
do genuinely love you? That's why I'm like, just go to bed and let's talk
it tomorrow. I know. I know. Part of my problem is when I'm finding out in
therapy is I don't know how to process emotion.
No, but don't push it away.
When you're upset, can you share?
I feel like, oh, you got Katie in this group that's going in. This is normal.
Don't worry about Katie.
Because we've got her.
Today. will be a pivotal day in this group.
I feel kind of sick. You feel sick? Yeah.
What?
Really?
Where's the bathroom?
Hi!
There's homework.
Did anyone else finish their homework that I can take from them? Burning
questions that you want to know about.
It's like a yes or no question like, did you?
Don't really forget to call me on my birthday.
What are you going to try? I'm going to pretty much try everything.
Is it 2026 or 2025?
Five. Just wondering.
Persian New Year.
Oh.
Emily, for Persian New Year. Yeah. Do you have a good question? Like, what's
year? Like, in the Jewish calendar? Oh, my gosh. You know what? I was Googling
it this morning. It's 14 -something.
Happy 14 -something. 14 -something.
You feel very heavy. Trying to just navigate some things right now.
Anything you want to talk about?
Yeah, definitely need to talk to you about it.
Okay, I understand.
Everyone come over here. I just want to give a little person New Year's speech.
I gave you all a packet of questions because I thought in order to move
maybe we need to ask each other some deeper questions and really get the
because I feel like there's a lot of things going on that are splintering us
a group.
So today, what we are going to do is we are all going to take a lie detector
test.
Ooh. All right. I don't want to. I don't like it. Nobody has to do this if you
don't want to.
Oh, this is going to get interesting real quick.
Okay. Can we change our question? I know, right? That's why there's no
Oh.
Today,
what we are going to do is take a lie detector test.
Ooh. Nobody has to do this if you don't want to.
It's you and me. I'm going with you.
I'm a truth teller, so this does not bother me whatsoever.
This is not what I signed up for today.
Yeah, let's go.
I'm full of nerve.
I'm so nauseous. It's that bad right now?
Polygraphs, they're not fun.
This is all anxiety for me.
You'll know that you people are about to be exposed.
But you lied.
Okay, go ahead and just have a seat there.
This is, like, so legit.
This feels very Sharon Stone moment to me.
All right, I'm going to hook you up.
How accurate is this?
It's medical equipment, so it's 100 % reading what your blood, sweat, and
breathing are doing. Only answer yes or no.
Don't talk in between the questions.
What is the body response?
Upper breathing, lower breathing.
Some questions on this test, they're going to sound odd to you.
And let me see how you respond.
Most important thing is that you don't move. When you move, it looks like a
reaction and a reaction looks like a lie. Blood pressure, finger moisture.
Finger moisture.
Okay. This guy does not make you feel comfortable.
I'll pay that much. He makes you feel like you are about to fail this lie
detector test.
Here we go. Yes or no answers.
Is your first name Emily?
Yes. Is your name Jennifer?
Yes. Do you know how to ride a bicycle? Yeah. Do you intend to lie to me today?
No. Would you rather be a housewife of Beverly Hills?
Are you currently keeping any secrets?
No. What is half of ten times five?
Five.
Oh, half of ten times five.
Can you speak any Russian?
ะะตั. Do you intend to answer truthfully? Yes. Does Travis have big balls?
I mean, I'm sorry.
Wait, I'm sorry. I'll recompose myself.
I mean.
All right. I'm panicking because I'm like, I think they're big, but like I
haven't seen like that many balls.
Do you talk badly about Heather Dubrow in front of your children?
I went over and I babysat, and I'm like, we don't really like Heather.
She's mean to our mom.
Were you really told you were on the spectrum of autism?
I am on the spectrum.
Did you say you keep Heather around for her real estate contacts? You told Katie
that the only reason you keep me close is because of my real estate
Did you call the paparazzi to meet you at Disneyland? Katie says that you call
the paparazzi and you tell them where you're at all the time. Did you make
contact with Slade's ex to dig up information? Michelle called me
She says you called her fishing for information.
That's a lie.
Good job. I will unhook you.
Such a crazy thing. Even when you know you're telling the truth, you go, am I?
Is that right?
I hope I've had.
I'm really not looking forward to it.
I have weird nightmares like all the time. One is that I'm taking a lie
and I'm telling the truth and they go, you're a liar. And then I'm like, what?
This is one of my wacky Shannon nightmares.
Where do I go? To the right, and then you have to go and sit in a dark room.
Oh, come on, come on. Literally, I have anxiety about that.
It's scary.
And I did not expect to be wired up to a machine.
Did you make out with multiple men in Newport?
Do you think you're better looking than some of your castmates? Do you want a
friendship with Tamara? I think I could possibly make myself so nervous that I'm
going to screw it up. No, I'm telling the truth.
I will unhook you.
You're very serious.
Thank you.
Well, that wasn't fun.
Okay, Katie, you're next.
Okay.
Hi, how are you doing?
I'm not sure yet.
You'll be okay.
Gretchers! Gretchers, your turn.
Hi there. Hello.
Have you ever taken a lie detector test before?
No. Do I get the champagne?
Oh, you get the champagne now.
You want champagne?
You can have it now.
I was hiding the alcohol from everyone.
Oh, thank you. Yes, I was gatekeeping. Please do not lie to me today.
So... I feel so anxious. I don't...
Polygraphs don't work off of anxiety.
I know, but I'm anxious of this. Are you normally an anxious person?
While with this group, yes.
Gretchen, have you spoken to Hurdle? No, but she's very upset or something. I
don't know what's going on. Is she up there now?
They're both in there. I bet Gretchen's met with Kiki.
I'm going to have to call Kiki because I do feel like there's something weird
there. Gina knows. What do you know? Did you talk to Gretchen about it? Did you
see Kiki yesterday?
Feel her temperature.
But Gretchen confided in you so you kind of have an idea of what's going on.
I know and I understand why she's upset.
Okay, let's do it. Can I keep my eyes closed? You can totally do that. Okay.
Did you play the recording of Shannon for Alexis?
No. Have you planted stories about Tamara in the media?
Oh my God, my heart is pumping.
Have you leaked any stories to the press?
No. Oh, I feel sick.
Who wrote that question?
Did you go to the hospital after Naked Wasted? No. Did Gretchen tell you that
she was drugged and went to the hospital? Yes. Did you tell Katie and
you were drugged? Did you tell Kiki that Gretchen said she was drugged and
hospitalized? No.
All I want to do is scream from the mountaintop that Katie lied.
I told the truth, and that's all I can do. Okay, I can unhook you. How do you
feel? Horrible. I really, really hope that all this mess about Naked Wasted
comes to light.
I'm tired of being the fall person for all of Gretchen's lies.
How'd it go, Gretchen? How'd it go? I mean, it definitely is intense, for
I know I was telling the truth, so I'm confident that it's going to prove my
innocence and that she's a liar. There you go.
Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. I'm sure that you never want to see me
again. Yeah.
The truth always comes to light, and Gretchen's going to know that I'm not
covering for her anymore.
I have a feeling I know what's about to come.
Ladies, I have the result.
You guys are ready. We're ready. We're very ready. All right. So we're going to
do you.
All right. Here we go. Do you think you're a better lawyer than Shane?
Absolutely. You did, and that is correct. Do you talk badly
about Heather in front of your children?
No, no.
That is true. You passed that.
What is your reaction to that?
Bullshit. Gina, oh, God.
Did you say you keep Heather around for her real estate contacts?
No. You pass.
Thank the literal Lord.
I wouldn't have believed it anyway.
Thank you. Was that your question?
Oh, was it? Oh, yeah, I asked that.
The whole thing of Gina using me for real estate connections is so silly to
That is such a lie. I don't believe it.
At all.
Okay, Tamara.
Oh, Lord.
Did you contact Slade's ex to dig up information?
I don't know if she reached out to me or if I reached out to her. I don't
remember, so I just said yes, meaning that I did talk. Okay, so either way,
spoke with her.
I spoke with her, yes. Okay, you passed that one.
Tamara is protecting her ass, and it's going to prove that she's a liar if she
doesn't admit to the truth. She just wanted to hear anything to make Slade
like he was a deadbeat. And you don't know sh... No, you pay child support,
Slade. Yeah, if I didn't pay support, I would be in jail.
There is a...
manipulation, a calculation, and intent behind every single thing that woman
does. Okay, let's keep going.
Do you want a friendship with Shannon?
Yeah. You passed that? Were you really told you were on the spectrum of autism?
Yeah.
You failed that one. How can I fail that one?
We talked about unprocessed trauma and whether or not the spectrum was part of
this. It's hard to say until you get an assessment.
That's bullshit.
Jennifer, did you befriend Tamara with ulterior motive?
No. Pass.
Oh, God. Give me a break.
Do you trust Katie Janela?
Yes. You passed that one as well. I know that I can be very naive, and I do like
Katie, and I do trust Katie, and I do enjoy Katie. But am I also being lied
or is everybody else wrong?
It's so confusing. It feels good to have somebody that's a true friend here with
me. Do you have any serious reservations about marrying Ryan? No.
You reacted significantly to that question.
Does that mean I failed it?
Yeah. I failed that one. You did.
Significantly.
I just don't ever want to go through what I went through in my divorce. I
want to unwind something else for my kids. That was a very scary time for the
kids and I. So failing that question, even though it bothers me, it doesn't
surprise me.
Okay, Shannon, did you make out with multiple men in Newport?
Absolutely.
Okay, good for you.
I want to know if you passed or not.
Did I fail?
No, you passed.
Do you want a friendship with Tamara?
I want to say maybe. I don't know. I'm very confused about it, John. You
even though it seems very confusing.
I do miss my friendship with Shannon. I think that Shannon knows my heart, and
she knows that I've always been good to her.
I'm hoping that we can just move forward.
Okay, Heather, would you rather be a housewife of Beverly Hills?
Yes.
True. It's closer. I live in Beverly Hills, and I told them, everyone's going
be pissed and say, you think you're better than us, you don't want to be
with us, and all the things that I said was a booze.
We don't need to keep explaining. Okay, so good.
She's got her fancy pants and a twist.
You're basically like, I prefer a better commute.
That's like really tough.
You have a driver.
We all know Heather would rather be with the rich girls than us.
All right. Did you call the paparazzi to meet you at Disneyland?
No.
He has you as failing on that one.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't call the paparazzi. I've already
sworn on my children's lives.
This does feel good to see Heather being called out for calling the paparazzi.
I don't know why Heather doesn't say, you know how amazing I am? I pick up the
phone, and paparazzi shows up at Disneyland.
I would pick up the phone, and they'd be like, who?
Ugh. All right, Gretchen.
Did you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged? I said no.
That was trickle.
Did you go to the hospital after naked wasted?
I said no.
That was truthful.
I'm really suspicious about Gretchen. I said to her point blankly, did you go to
the hospital? And she said, the next day I was so sick.
Gretchen told Tamara and I that she went to the hospital, but she's passing that
she didn't. It doesn't make sense.
Some liars, especially practice, can pass.
Well, there you go.
She's a known liar.
Liar.
And have you planted stories about Tamara in the media?
No. That was also truthful. You got a whole truthful test.
Your entire test.
Are we ready for Katie?
Mate.
Are we ready for Katie's?
Mate. All right. Okay.
Did you tell Kiki that Gretchen said she was drugged and hospitalized?
No. You failed it.
Did you play the recording of Shannon for Alexis? No. No. You failed that one.
Did Gretchen tell you that she was drugged and went to the hospital?
Yes. You literally said yes.
It's a polygraph. You really said yes to that. Did you pass it? Wow.
She failed that one.
You did the worst out of everybody.
Okay. Those questions for you about Gretchen, you failed those very badly.
This is like the boy who cried wolf.
I mean, Katie's lips are moving. She's lying.
Katie, you clearly lied.
I didn't lie. Gretchen, we sat at that dinner and everyone heard it. I'm not
only one telling them.
Oh, my God.
Jen was there. Ryan was there. Matt was there. What dinner? What dinner?
We were a master.
Slade even called Matt and said, don't share this. No, he did not. You are
literally making this up. No, I'm not, Jen.
Why do you want to know? I'm not lying. First of all, I met with Kiki yesterday.
And she told me that you said that to her. You did.
You did. No, I didn't.
I swear to God. We were sitting there. We talked about this. Yes, we have
about this. I said she did say she was sick.
I said I was so sick I should have gone to the hospital. That's what I said. How
dare you tell this lie? Like, I feel so dumb. I feel so duped.
I wanted someone that I was close to in this friend group. And Katie was that
for me.
And in one instant of failing all those questions.
That was gone.
Katie, nobody believes you, not even the lie detector test. You failed every
question.
I literally can't.
This has got to be wrong. I'll take it again because I know a thousand percent
told the truth wholeheartedly.
I feel like an idiot because I believed her and I didn't believe all these other
women. But now I know she is a liar. Like, I want nothing to do with you. By
way, you tried to chuck me under the bus.
And you tried to tell her that I said last year, insinuating that I was
That's what Kiki said yesterday.
After everything I did for you and helped you to try to be a good friend to
you're going to sit there with Kiki Monique and you're going to try and say
something that really paints me in that light?
I grew up in a predominantly white suburb. And sometimes people don't know
racially charged they sound. And I don't think Gina knows that came out that
way. But it did.
And it made me feel horrible.
You've lost your credibility with everybody here.
Yeah, Katie, maybe you should go.
I'll go. You should go.
Okay.
You did say that to me, though. You should have addressed it and not gone to
press. Oh, my God.
That's bullish.
I didn't lie, Kendall.
So Gretchen did tell you? Yes, and Jen was sitting there. And that's what makes
me so upset is Jen literally heard it.
Jen could have used the opportunity to back me up a little bit, and instead she
chose the other side.
And that is extremely hurtful.
Did she admit to meeting with Kiki? She said, yes, I met with Kiki, but she said
to meet and be in the car. I've never even mentioned Gretchen's name to Kiki.
She told me she doesn't talk about us. So I asked her, why do you meet with
them? Because don't you think our friends feel like you meet with these
and discuss us? She said, Jen, I don't.
Then I'm like, then stop.
They're not your friends.
You never told her that you roofied or went to the hospital? No, none of that.
She said here right now and said that I said it.
Slade called Matt. He did call Matt. What I understood is that he called Matt
say, what the f*** is your wife out saying and doing? Like, what is she
She's spinning something and some other thing.
Matt and Slade and Ryan have all had phone calls about this. And we're not
supposed to share it. So I'm like, all up in my head, like, do I lie for
Gretchen? Do I not lie for Gretchen?
I'm done.
No one is going to believe me. But I can lay my head at night knowing I told the
truth.
This might be like the last time anyone sees me with this group of women.
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