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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,084 --> 00:00:02,169 What was that, wind? Or it's raining? 2 00:00:02,253 --> 00:00:04,088 [LeBron] The A/C unit, I think. 3 00:00:04,171 --> 00:00:06,674 'Cause it was snowing a little bit today, right? 4 00:00:08,926 --> 00:00:11,095 I lived in Dallas. It's the same. 5 00:00:12,096 --> 00:00:14,598 They say in Texas, you don't like the weather, come back tomorrow. 6 00:00:15,683 --> 00:00:17,143 -True. -[Steve] Big difference. 7 00:00:17,226 --> 00:00:18,602 It's gonna be totally different tomorrow. 8 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:20,771 [bluesy theme playing] 9 00:00:33,909 --> 00:00:36,036 Welcome back to Mind the Game, 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,372 brought to you by Uninterrupted and Wondery. 11 00:00:38,456 --> 00:00:41,041 This is another conversation with Luka Dončić, 12 00:00:41,125 --> 00:00:45,045 centered around the study he commissioned through his foundation, 13 00:00:45,129 --> 00:00:47,173 called Inside Youth Basketball. 14 00:00:47,256 --> 00:00:49,300 Stick around till the end of the episode, 15 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:53,387 where I'll talk a little bit more about why I'm on Luka's athletes' council, 16 00:00:53,471 --> 00:00:54,972 why it's important to me, 17 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:58,434 and how we can all help improve the landscape of youth basketball. 18 00:00:58,517 --> 00:01:00,519 Learn as much as you can, just as I have, 19 00:01:00,603 --> 00:01:03,022 and enjoy this episode of Mind the Game. 20 00:01:03,105 --> 00:01:05,900 [bluesy theme resumes] 21 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:12,198 You know, one of the things nowadays is that it's an arms race. 22 00:01:12,281 --> 00:01:14,200 "My kids got to get ahead," you know? 23 00:01:14,283 --> 00:01:17,578 It's like we saw Tiger Woods with a perfect swing on Johnny Carson 24 00:01:17,661 --> 00:01:20,831 at 2 years old, and we think that every kid's got to be great, 25 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:22,291 you know, early. 26 00:01:22,374 --> 00:01:24,502 I started playing at 13. 27 00:01:24,585 --> 00:01:26,879 I didn't get into the league till I was 22. 28 00:01:26,962 --> 00:01:30,716 Wasn't really great or a good player until late 20s. 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,426 Bullshit, but okay. It's okay. 30 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:34,595 [Steve] But you know what I mean, though? 31 00:01:34,678 --> 00:01:36,639 I feel like the pressure on the parents 32 00:01:36,722 --> 00:01:38,974 is that your kid's got to be an early adopter. 33 00:01:39,058 --> 00:01:42,561 They got to be better early when really, like, we all develop at our own rate. 34 00:01:42,645 --> 00:01:45,022 -You can still be great. -That's social media too. 35 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,399 Because you're seeing everything right now. 36 00:01:47,483 --> 00:01:49,318 You're seeing everything over there. 37 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:51,779 When we were growing up, our parents didn't know 38 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:54,448 if this kid had a trainer or if this kid was doing… 39 00:01:54,532 --> 00:01:56,909 -You didn't really see that shit. -Yes. 40 00:01:56,992 --> 00:02:00,079 Our parents only knew that, okay, "You want to play soccer? 41 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:02,331 Okay, cool. You want to play football? Okay, cool. 42 00:02:02,414 --> 00:02:04,834 You want to do something else, or you don't want to? Relax." 43 00:02:04,917 --> 00:02:06,627 It was not like, we have to… 44 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:11,173 We see this kid, he's being trained five days a week. 45 00:02:11,257 --> 00:02:14,385 Well, if my kid's not being trained five days a week, he's not gonna make it. 46 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,387 -Right. -It wasn't… We didn't see that. 47 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:19,348 And now it not the kid's journey. It's the parent's journey. 48 00:02:19,431 --> 00:02:22,351 Whereas when you were growing up, you were thinking, 49 00:02:22,434 --> 00:02:25,771 "Randy keeps pushing me left. I hate that." 50 00:02:25,855 --> 00:02:27,815 -Yeah. -"I'm gonna learn to go left." Right? 51 00:02:27,898 --> 00:02:30,192 And now it's just you and him know that we're in this little battle 52 00:02:30,276 --> 00:02:31,902 every day all summer 53 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,947 instead of it's on social media, parents are talking about a coach. 54 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:37,241 It's like this high-performance thing. 55 00:02:37,324 --> 00:02:40,953 I'd love to know from you what the transition was. 56 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:43,706 So, you played a lot of informal basketball growing up. 57 00:02:43,789 --> 00:02:46,584 Other sports. You're on the playground, outside school. 58 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,169 What was it like when you went to Madrid? Thirteen years old? 59 00:02:49,253 --> 00:02:51,380 -Thirteen, yeah. -[Steve] Real Madrid. 60 00:02:51,463 --> 00:02:53,382 It was a difficult decision, honestly. 61 00:02:54,717 --> 00:02:56,635 First, I didn't know the language yet. 62 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,930 I know a little bit. Just like, "Hello, how are you?" 63 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:01,932 Uh, but then nobody spoke my language. 64 00:03:02,016 --> 00:03:05,102 I was learning a little bit of English, so I knew a little bit. 65 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,937 Uh, but it was hard. 66 00:03:07,021 --> 00:03:12,568 So that's basically then when almost everything moved to basketball. 67 00:03:12,651 --> 00:03:16,363 I was playing a little bit of soccer because I used to go with the players, 68 00:03:16,447 --> 00:03:17,781 with their soccer players. 69 00:03:17,865 --> 00:03:20,868 We went to the same school, so we used to play a little bit. 70 00:03:20,951 --> 00:03:22,912 But they were soccer players, so I couldn't do nothing. 71 00:03:22,995 --> 00:03:25,831 -Sure. -Uh, but it was a lot, you know? 72 00:03:25,915 --> 00:03:29,293 I think first two, three months, I almost didn't spoke to anybody. 73 00:03:29,376 --> 00:03:32,588 You know, but that's how I learned Spanish so quickly. 74 00:03:32,671 --> 00:03:36,091 And after that, it was an amazing journey, man. 75 00:03:36,175 --> 00:03:39,053 It was something that changed my life for better. 76 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:40,804 How long was you in Madrid for? 77 00:03:40,888 --> 00:03:42,222 Seven years. 78 00:03:42,306 --> 00:03:44,475 That's amazing. That's incredible. 79 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,602 -Six years. -[Steve] Thirteen to 19? 80 00:03:46,685 --> 00:03:48,103 -Yeah. -That's incredible. 81 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:51,649 Six years. And how… What was the structure like in Madrid? 82 00:03:51,732 --> 00:03:53,525 So you go there as 13 years old. 83 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:55,819 You're in a dorm? You're with a family? 84 00:03:55,903 --> 00:03:59,531 Yeah, no, it was a dorm my first three years. 85 00:03:59,615 --> 00:04:04,453 They were building a new dorm. We were in the dorm of the school. 86 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:09,583 So, it was three people per room. It was very small. 87 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,753 -Don't speak Spanish. -Don't speak Spanish. 88 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:15,631 I had a Brazilian guy, I think. 89 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:16,799 Can't remember. 90 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:20,511 I can't remember who I was with because we always changed. 91 00:04:20,594 --> 00:04:22,972 But first, it was cool. So… 92 00:04:23,555 --> 00:04:26,266 First three years, but then we went to a nice… 93 00:04:26,350 --> 00:04:29,269 Then Real Madrid built its own dorm. 94 00:04:29,353 --> 00:04:32,690 It was super nice. It was like living at a hotel, so… 95 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:34,483 -[Steve] Nice. -That was different. 96 00:04:34,566 --> 00:04:36,402 And how was the day? 97 00:04:36,485 --> 00:04:39,822 Like, did you go to practice, then school? Or school, then practice? 98 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:43,742 -What was the day like? -Yeah, we started at 7:30. 99 00:04:43,826 --> 00:04:46,286 Something like that, to 8:30 we had practice. 100 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:49,123 And then from 9:15 to 5:30 was school. 101 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:51,250 -9:15 to 5:30? -[Luka] Yeah. 102 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:52,626 No wonder you're so smart. 103 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:54,670 [laughs] Thank you. Appreciate that. 104 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:57,881 -[all laugh] -And then from 6:00 to 9:00 was practice. 105 00:04:57,965 --> 00:04:59,925 -6:00 to 9:00? -Yes. 106 00:05:00,009 --> 00:05:04,638 On Wednesday, we didn't have practice, but every other day. 107 00:05:04,722 --> 00:05:06,557 And then Saturday, Sunday games. 108 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,766 Mm. 109 00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:10,019 Well, that's a good point because, you know, 110 00:05:10,102 --> 00:05:12,688 I feel like here-- and you can attest this, LeBron-- 111 00:05:12,771 --> 00:05:14,690 it's like, we play a lot of games. 112 00:05:14,773 --> 00:05:16,984 -Yeah, it's different than you. -Yeah. 113 00:05:17,067 --> 00:05:18,277 Explain the difference. 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,321 I think the AAU stuff has gotten where's it's showcase, showcase, showcase, 115 00:05:21,405 --> 00:05:22,573 game, game, game. 116 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:26,160 Whereas it feels like… I mean, I don't think Real Madrid's 117 00:05:26,243 --> 00:05:29,288 unique in this way, that in Europe in general, 118 00:05:29,371 --> 00:05:31,123 you're practicing more than you're playing. 119 00:05:31,206 --> 00:05:34,543 -Can you talk a little bit about that? -I would still say Real Madrid is unique. 120 00:05:34,626 --> 00:05:37,463 Okay, no offense. Madrid is Madrid. It's great. 121 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:38,964 Okay, we get it, we get it. 122 00:05:39,048 --> 00:05:42,092 But I think in Slovenia, you're not playing five games a week. 123 00:05:42,176 --> 00:05:45,054 I think the whole Europe is the same. 124 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:48,474 We didn't play that much… Same, on the weekends it's the only game. 125 00:05:48,557 --> 00:05:49,892 Two, maybe even one. 126 00:05:49,975 --> 00:05:51,769 So it was a lot of practice. 127 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:53,437 But I love practices, you know. 128 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,688 We had a lot of… 129 00:05:55,481 --> 00:05:58,233 skill set first, but that was like… 130 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:01,195 That was like half an hour, 45 minutes. 131 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:03,155 -Fundamentals. -[LeBron] Skills. 132 00:06:03,238 --> 00:06:05,574 Just to warm up and then… and then we would play. 133 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:09,286 We'd play, but that's a lot of different exercise playing. 134 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,538 It's not just five on five, three on three. 135 00:06:11,622 --> 00:06:13,916 It's an advantage, four on three, two on three. 136 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:16,627 -It's just… -[Steve] Learning to read. 137 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:19,463 Learning to react. Like, that was an emphasis in Europe. 138 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:23,592 That's the biggest difference between youth basketball 139 00:06:23,675 --> 00:06:26,178 in Europe and in America, 140 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:28,972 is that it's the development skill, 141 00:06:29,056 --> 00:06:32,434 the fundamentals are not expressed. 142 00:06:32,518 --> 00:06:35,854 It's like, just play, play, play. 143 00:06:35,938 --> 00:06:38,440 Just play. Just play, you know, 144 00:06:38,524 --> 00:06:42,236 and a lot of guys and a lot of kids are not developing their skill. 145 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:43,904 They're not developing the fundamentals. 146 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:47,157 You know, like he just said, there was times during practice 147 00:06:47,241 --> 00:06:50,327 that it was all about, you know, advantage basketball. 148 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,204 Four on three, three on two. 149 00:06:52,287 --> 00:06:55,833 You know, if I can create two on the ball, 150 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:57,960 then I know we have a numbers advantage. 151 00:06:58,043 --> 00:07:01,547 You know, instead of reading the game that way, 152 00:07:01,630 --> 00:07:04,258 a lot of kids think, you know, when we grew up, 153 00:07:04,341 --> 00:07:07,219 if I have two on the ball, then I have to figure out a way 154 00:07:07,302 --> 00:07:09,847 how to get around this guy or split the double team. 155 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:12,015 You know, I still have to be able to score. 156 00:07:12,099 --> 00:07:13,934 -You know, and… -Really. 157 00:07:14,017 --> 00:07:16,895 …that just… it just stops you from reading the game. 158 00:07:16,979 --> 00:07:18,188 -Yep. -You know? 159 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:21,150 And you can make it through grade school playing that way. 160 00:07:21,233 --> 00:07:24,653 You can make it through high school. You can make it through college. 161 00:07:24,736 --> 00:07:27,531 And some guys figure out a way to even make it through the NBA. 162 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:32,286 But as far as how to be great, to be great and transcendent, 163 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:36,999 and being able to, um, inspire your teammates. 164 00:07:37,082 --> 00:07:40,127 Inspire yourself, inspire your family, inspire the game. 165 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:43,505 You know, being able to be on that wavelength. 166 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:45,424 And I think that's the kind of different… 167 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:50,721 You know, the difference between how they grew up in Europe teaching the game, 168 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:53,140 and how we teach the game here. 169 00:07:53,223 --> 00:07:56,852 I think it's a lost, um… It's a lost arc here. 170 00:07:56,935 --> 00:07:59,813 It goes back, you know, a little bit to your point 171 00:07:59,897 --> 00:08:03,483 about this competitive pressurized system. 172 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:05,903 It's about the kid showing how good he is 173 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:08,655 instead of making the right plays, making the game simple. 174 00:08:08,739 --> 00:08:11,325 Something you guys have done naturally. 175 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:13,118 And it's probably not all natural. 176 00:08:13,202 --> 00:08:16,079 You've learned because you had good coaching to make the right play. 177 00:08:16,163 --> 00:08:18,957 You can make a spectacular play, but make the right play 178 00:08:19,041 --> 00:08:20,542 more times than not, you know? 179 00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:22,336 They're gonna put two on you guys. 180 00:08:22,419 --> 00:08:24,630 And if you go against the two all the time, 181 00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:27,549 you're not only gonna have success, you're gonna make the right decision. 182 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:30,969 You empower your teammates, make them feel better, make the game easier. 183 00:08:31,053 --> 00:08:33,847 Feels like that's different in Europe 184 00:08:33,931 --> 00:08:38,727 'cause coaches aren't all about this kid's gonna raise my profile. 185 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:40,687 Our team has got to learn to play together. 186 00:08:40,771 --> 00:08:43,398 Did you feel that in Madrid where it's about, 187 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:45,359 of course we want to develop Luka, 188 00:08:45,442 --> 00:08:48,111 but we want to develop a team that knows how to play the right way? 189 00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:52,074 Yeah, definitely, especially when I was, say about 15, 190 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:56,036 I had a coach that was hard on me, 191 00:08:56,119 --> 00:08:58,163 but hard on everybody. 192 00:08:58,247 --> 00:09:02,167 Like, from one to 12, he did the same thing to everybody. 193 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:03,627 It wasn't, like, just one person. 194 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:07,923 So that's really when I started to playing, like… 195 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:12,427 When I was 15, I started my first practices with the first team. 196 00:09:12,511 --> 00:09:13,553 You know, I was… 197 00:09:13,637 --> 00:09:15,847 I was scared. I was nervous. 198 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:18,934 But at some point, you get used to it. 199 00:09:19,017 --> 00:09:20,477 So I debuted when I was 16. 200 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,646 I was shaking. 201 00:09:22,729 --> 00:09:24,231 I still remember the moment. 202 00:09:24,314 --> 00:09:25,983 But, you know, 203 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:29,027 I think in Europe, like, watching EuroLeague now, 204 00:09:29,111 --> 00:09:31,446 watching the league before, it just, like… 205 00:09:31,530 --> 00:09:33,448 It's more about the team, you know. 206 00:09:33,532 --> 00:09:35,284 Team-wise, teamwork. 207 00:09:35,367 --> 00:09:37,995 But it's different rules in the NBA. 208 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:39,204 I always said that. 209 00:09:39,288 --> 00:09:41,540 When I said it's easier to score in the NBA, 210 00:09:41,623 --> 00:09:43,583 it's because it's just different rules. 211 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:45,961 You have a lot of more spacing, you have more minutes. 212 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:48,714 It's eight more minutes. Anything happens in eight minutes. 213 00:09:48,797 --> 00:09:50,590 It's just because of that. 214 00:09:50,674 --> 00:09:54,136 In Europe, you get a big guy, like, for example, Edy Tavares. 215 00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:55,637 He plays in Madrid. 216 00:09:55,721 --> 00:09:58,974 He just standing in the paint. He can stay in the paint. He's 220. 217 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:01,226 It's hard to score. It's impossible. 218 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:04,062 Here, you can't do that because it's three-second violation. 219 00:10:04,146 --> 00:10:07,941 Yeah. Again, I mean, the NBA's trying to make it as entertaining as possible, 220 00:10:08,025 --> 00:10:10,402 so the game's slightly different than in Europe 221 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:13,613 where maybe the roots of the game are still there. 222 00:10:13,697 --> 00:10:16,450 Um, but it is an interesting point 223 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:19,369 to think about the way our kids grow up learning the game. 224 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:22,456 The culture around the game. And that difference is really important. 225 00:10:22,539 --> 00:10:26,585 I think you see it so often, you know, just the thought process. 226 00:10:26,668 --> 00:10:30,547 And, unfortunately, I think there's something to be said for that 227 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:34,885 creeping into the system and the parents too. 228 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:39,681 Right? They're worried about their kids' position here. 229 00:10:39,765 --> 00:10:43,727 Let me make a comment that I have to take some part of this too. 230 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:46,730 But my generation of parents, being 51 now, 231 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:49,941 you know, the last kind of 20, 25 years of parenting, 232 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:53,904 we've been all over our kids, trying to protect them. 233 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,990 You just mentioned you had a coach that was all over you. 234 00:10:57,074 --> 00:10:59,618 You know, my high school coach, college coach, 235 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:01,787 all my coaches were all over me. 236 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:06,708 Your high school coach was on you. Like, he's not putting up with, you know, 237 00:11:06,792 --> 00:11:08,794 poor decisions, not playing the right way. 238 00:11:08,877 --> 00:11:11,755 That has become so hard nowadays 239 00:11:11,838 --> 00:11:13,548 because the commercialization. 240 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:16,885 So, whether it's a skills trainer, an AAU coach, 241 00:11:16,968 --> 00:11:23,141 you can't… you don't feel, one, that your business can suffer losing the kid. 242 00:11:23,225 --> 00:11:25,018 So, you know, there's not… 243 00:11:25,102 --> 00:11:28,188 It's not as frequent we're gonna tell the kid the truth and be tough on them. 244 00:11:28,271 --> 00:11:30,148 Because you're afraid they're gonna leave. 245 00:11:30,232 --> 00:11:32,818 -And in college too. -Yeah, for sure. 246 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:34,236 -And now for money. -Right. 247 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:36,154 You've been on the street for a few more bucks. 248 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:38,949 -But at some point, I think you need that. -You got to have it. 249 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:41,660 Or I'll say it's a disservice to our kids 250 00:11:41,743 --> 00:11:47,124 because we have to let them suffer and struggle and feel that pressure. 251 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:48,500 That's gonna make you better, 252 00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:51,253 not the pressure that's gonna make you not love the sport. 253 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:53,797 I've never got involved with my kids' coaches. 254 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,175 -[Steve] That's for them. -You know, from Bronny growing up 255 00:11:57,259 --> 00:12:00,387 to where he is now, and Bryce on his way to Tucson. 256 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:01,847 To Arizona. 257 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,640 I've never got involved. 258 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:07,561 I've never went to a practice and sat through practice the whole time 259 00:12:07,644 --> 00:12:09,855 and see how my son was being utilized. 260 00:12:09,938 --> 00:12:13,150 I've never got on the phone with the coaches. 261 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:16,945 Listen, he's there to coach my son. Coach him however you want to. 262 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:19,322 And I think you need to hold him accountable. 263 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:22,451 I hope you hold him more accountable than any other kid here 264 00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:25,036 and say what the fuck you need to say, no matter… 265 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,581 no matter how it's being said, because it's not… 266 00:12:27,664 --> 00:12:31,001 If you could just take the message, not about how he said it. 267 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:32,836 Just take the message out of it. 268 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,297 You know, I think that builds character as well. 269 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:39,009 You know, I think it's part of the reason why they are 270 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:41,887 where they are at their stages in their lives. 271 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:46,349 Um, you know, babying your kid and always, you know, thinking 272 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:49,311 that your kid is this and thinking your kid is that, 273 00:12:49,394 --> 00:12:51,480 and not allowing coaches to coach them, 274 00:12:51,563 --> 00:12:53,940 or not allowing people to be hard on them, 275 00:12:54,024 --> 00:12:57,569 and as soon as a coach or someone says something to them, you pull them 276 00:12:57,652 --> 00:12:59,196 and go somewhere else, 277 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:02,032 or as soon as someone says something bad about your kid, 278 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:04,701 you're the first person to go talk in his face. 279 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:08,622 It's like, you fucking go coach 'em, then. Like, you know? 280 00:13:08,705 --> 00:13:13,543 It's like… really, life is way more noes than yes. 281 00:13:13,627 --> 00:13:16,546 -[laughs] -If our kids aren't used to hearing no, 282 00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:19,007 like, how are they gonna survive when they're adults? 283 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:22,552 I think that's… As parents, my generation of parents, 284 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:25,764 putting myself in this picture, we're so scared to let our kids fail. 285 00:13:25,847 --> 00:13:27,974 Let 'em struggle, let 'em learn from that failure. 286 00:13:28,058 --> 00:13:31,728 Now how do they face moments of adversity, resilience? 287 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,313 How do they build those scars? 288 00:13:33,396 --> 00:13:35,774 So I think all three of us were fortunate. 289 00:13:35,857 --> 00:13:39,110 Like, it changed… Like, it was pivotal in my journey 290 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:42,197 that my college coach was on my ass every day. 291 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,907 -I was gonna say the same. -Yeah? 292 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:46,451 And, in particular, that coach, when you were 15, 293 00:13:46,535 --> 00:13:48,745 was one of the main ones that was… 294 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:50,205 Like, give me examples. 295 00:13:50,288 --> 00:13:52,123 'Cause I don't think kids today understand. 296 00:13:52,207 --> 00:13:55,794 They're gonna say, "I'm sure Luka's coach never yelled at him." 297 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:57,796 Yeah, no, he did. 298 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:01,174 Uh, I think one example is, we were up… 299 00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:06,221 It was quarterfinals around 16. 300 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:09,808 We were up by 30 at halftime, and I was bullshitting a little bit. 301 00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:11,518 No. 302 00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,187 He yelled at me. He made me cry. 303 00:14:14,271 --> 00:14:16,606 -At halftime? -Yeah. 304 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:18,817 And… But, like… 305 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:23,446 This coach, like, changed a little bit of how I view basketball. 306 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:25,240 Like, during the time. 307 00:14:25,323 --> 00:14:28,368 Like, that year, I think, we didn't lose a game. 308 00:14:29,327 --> 00:14:31,997 And we won in the finals by 30 points. 309 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:37,586 Just, I mean, I think everybody needs to be, like, 310 00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:41,256 a really good player, you need the guy that'll tell you everything. 311 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:43,049 Especially a coach, you know. 312 00:14:43,133 --> 00:14:45,802 I love him for that, that he did that for me. 313 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:49,514 I mean, especially you two guys come into the NBA straight. 314 00:14:49,598 --> 00:14:53,018 I mean, you're coming from a professional team, but as a teenager. 315 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:54,978 You're not going to college. 316 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:58,231 Like, that experience was pivotal for me. 317 00:14:58,315 --> 00:15:00,900 So, you're lucky, right? You had a high school coach what was like… 318 00:15:00,984 --> 00:15:03,153 -…this is how you're gonna play. -Absolutely. 319 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:05,447 He was on my ass from day one. And I had a… 320 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:09,909 My high school coach was a college coach at Eastern Michigan at one point. 321 00:15:09,993 --> 00:15:11,911 And, um, so… 322 00:15:11,995 --> 00:15:13,872 -He know what you were gonna see. -Yeah. 323 00:15:13,955 --> 00:15:18,084 So he knew what I was gonna see. He actually coached a couple pros 324 00:15:18,168 --> 00:15:21,963 that made it to the NBA while he was in college. 325 00:15:22,047 --> 00:15:26,217 But, you know, from day one when I stepped foot, you know, 326 00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:31,181 as a freshman, he was literally, like, on me crazy. 327 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,308 You know, and, like, one story… 328 00:15:33,391 --> 00:15:36,936 You know, Coach D was out of his mind. He was a lunatic. 329 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:40,649 He just finally retired from coaching last year at Duquesne. 330 00:15:40,732 --> 00:15:42,692 Finally retired. 331 00:15:42,776 --> 00:15:48,281 But, you know, my freshman year, I made all county, all city, all state. 332 00:15:48,365 --> 00:15:51,534 Um, we didn't lose a game my freshman year. 333 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:55,330 Um, we won the state championship. I was, um… 334 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,875 state championship MVP for the tournament. 335 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:00,001 And, um… 336 00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:03,505 You know, so I come in, first practice my sophomore year, 337 00:16:03,588 --> 00:16:05,715 I'm kind of feeling myself a little bit. 338 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:08,593 We won it all, I'm getting a little crazy, whatever. 339 00:16:08,677 --> 00:16:12,347 First day of practice my sophomore year, he kicked me out of practice. 340 00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:15,558 -Just to put the marker down. -Yeah. 341 00:16:15,642 --> 00:16:18,895 He looked at me and said, "Best sophomore in the country, my ass. 342 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,355 Get the fuck out of here." 343 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:23,024 And kicked me out of practice my sophomore year. 344 00:16:23,108 --> 00:16:26,403 You know, and I was obviously pissed off. Like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" 345 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:27,821 "Why is he picking on me?" 346 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:30,573 But he set the tone for that season. 347 00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:33,076 It's like, I'm not gonna even allow you 348 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:35,912 to even think about getting overly confident 349 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,664 or having a big head coming in here. 350 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,541 'Cause this shit is not about you. 351 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:41,543 It's about what we're trying to build. 352 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:44,379 And he knew, like, "You are the guy, 353 00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:48,466 but I'm not about to give you no indication that you are." 354 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:50,885 You know, and still, a lot of the things that I learned from him, 355 00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,971 I still just use to this day. 356 00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:56,391 Just, like, being held accountable and being a player's coach, 357 00:16:56,474 --> 00:16:58,143 being able to be coachable. 358 00:16:58,226 --> 00:17:00,437 You know, and so absolutely. 359 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,566 -Just having that tough love. -He gave you a gift that day. 360 00:17:04,649 --> 00:17:07,193 -Absolutely. -You don't realize it at the moment. 361 00:17:07,277 --> 00:17:10,029 Yeah, I mean, you know how many practices we've been in? 362 00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:14,284 And for us to be able to remember two moments in our careers, 363 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:17,871 you know, that let you know that shit is instilled in our brain, 364 00:17:17,954 --> 00:17:20,957 and it played a part of who we are today. 365 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,919 And unfortunately, you know, going back to this again, 366 00:17:25,003 --> 00:17:27,630 like, how many parents are allowing that these days? 367 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:29,048 -Yeah. -That's the tough part. 368 00:17:29,132 --> 00:17:32,177 How was your dad with you? Being a great player in EuroLeague. 369 00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:35,388 Like, what was his part of your basketball journey? 370 00:17:35,472 --> 00:17:40,351 I don't think… he didn't get involved like he say… 371 00:17:40,435 --> 00:17:41,644 There's a great lesson. 372 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:46,357 …like he said, with his kids, he didn't talk to the coach, nothing. 373 00:17:46,441 --> 00:17:49,402 He was just, you know, being there to support. 374 00:17:49,486 --> 00:17:53,072 But didn't do much, like what I'm saying, being involved. 375 00:17:53,156 --> 00:17:55,867 That's your journey, right? It's the same, like… 376 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:58,745 You know, if I went home and told my dad, you know, 377 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,206 "Coach motherfucked me today…" 378 00:18:01,289 --> 00:18:03,541 Oh, he would be, "Good for him." 379 00:18:03,625 --> 00:18:07,253 Yeah, my dad would have said to me, "What'd you do, you little shit?" 380 00:18:07,337 --> 00:18:10,215 -[all laugh] -You must have done something, right? 381 00:18:10,298 --> 00:18:12,842 Let's you go and figure those things out. 382 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,719 Yeah, I think it's, um… 383 00:18:15,345 --> 00:18:18,431 Look, it's not like we're gonna put it all back in the bottle. 384 00:18:18,515 --> 00:18:22,894 Right? But things like your program can help just make headway. 385 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:26,147 I think it's awesome. Step-by-step. Baby steps. 386 00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:29,692 Continue to just make a little influence on the way we think about it. 387 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:32,153 And I do think… I keep bringing up the parents, 388 00:18:32,237 --> 00:18:34,239 but I do think we have to help educate parents 389 00:18:34,322 --> 00:18:36,241 'cause a lot of 'em don't know. 390 00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:37,492 How would they know? 391 00:18:37,575 --> 00:18:40,286 They're told, "You got to sign them up for this, that. 392 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:42,288 They got to be with me all year round." 393 00:18:42,372 --> 00:18:46,709 You know, they don't understand, let the kid run his own, her own race. 394 00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:49,420 Let them figure it out, find the joy and passion on their own, 395 00:18:49,504 --> 00:18:50,964 all those things that are so important. 396 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,967 I think that your program is giving us the chance to… 397 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:58,179 One, you committed money and resources through your foundation 398 00:18:58,263 --> 00:18:59,889 to commission a study. 399 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:02,141 Like, it's not just us three talking. 400 00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:04,978 Hopefully, we know a few things through our experiences, 401 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:06,729 but you commissioned a study. 402 00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:10,108 That's an amazing, amazing commitment to the landscape, right? 403 00:19:10,191 --> 00:19:11,860 -Congrats. -Yeah. Really congrats. 404 00:19:11,943 --> 00:19:14,445 -You're involved as well, right? -I'm here to help. 405 00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:16,823 -That's pretty cool. -We'll be calling you too. 406 00:19:16,906 --> 00:19:20,118 You know, I got a couple ideas. 407 00:19:20,201 --> 00:19:22,078 I bet you do. I bet you do. 408 00:19:22,161 --> 00:19:24,706 -I mean, we've seen it firsthand already. -For sure. 409 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:26,165 Let's do it. 410 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:27,750 [bluesy theme playing] 411 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:40,388 But going back to, like, in Europe and Madrid, 412 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:43,850 they're teaching you to play and think through the prism of team game. 413 00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,101 Making the right decisions. 414 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,271 You know, our kids are a little bit corrupted, 415 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,981 partly by social media… 416 00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:53,526 that it's about his bag. 417 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:56,362 -His bag. -He's got this. What can he do here? 418 00:19:56,446 --> 00:19:59,157 -What does it even mean, having a bag? -[Steve] Bag of tricks. 419 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,117 But think about it. 420 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:04,203 Like, you guys both made some… 421 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:06,873 You made a couple, tonight, crazy shots. 422 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:09,751 You made a couple tough fadeaways tonight. 423 00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:12,337 But the reason you guys are great players 424 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:15,048 is 'cause most of the time, you can do the easy shit. 425 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:18,384 Get to the rim, finish, make your free throws, 426 00:20:18,468 --> 00:20:19,761 make your open threes. 427 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:22,013 Okay, then you get to the step back, boom. 428 00:20:22,096 --> 00:20:26,434 The game is won on making fundamental plays, not your bag, right? 429 00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:29,646 I know they don't talk about that in Europe when you were growing up. 430 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:33,691 No, I never heard the thing, "bag," till I came to the NBA. 431 00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:36,194 And when I was growing up, it wasn't talked about. 432 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:40,365 My… The least amount of dribbles to get where you need to get to… 433 00:20:40,448 --> 00:20:42,700 Angles. Efficiency. 434 00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:46,913 Michael Jordan wasn't out there dribbling a thousand times to get to the spot. 435 00:20:46,996 --> 00:20:49,123 He'd get to a spot and raise. 436 00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:53,336 You know, Isaiah Thomas, as great of a handle Isaiah Thomas had, 437 00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:55,380 Isaiah'd get to a spot and raise. 438 00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:59,717 You know, all these guys that I grew up… Grant Hill, get to a spot. 439 00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:02,887 I'm bigger than you. "Big Dog" Robinson, you know? 440 00:21:02,971 --> 00:21:05,098 I'm bigger than you. Allan Houston. 441 00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:08,851 You know, all these great players that I grew up watching and admiring. 442 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:11,646 Penny Hardaway, yes, they could dribble the basketball, 443 00:21:11,729 --> 00:21:13,398 but there's no… Tracy McGrady. 444 00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:15,775 Even as great as Tracy's handle was, 445 00:21:15,858 --> 00:21:17,777 it was, "I'm bigger than you, 446 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:20,238 I'm gonna get to the spot in the least amount of dribbles." 447 00:21:20,321 --> 00:21:22,448 Kevin Garnett, you know? 448 00:21:22,532 --> 00:21:25,284 -Good footwork, get it up over the top. -Just good footwork, get over the top. 449 00:21:25,368 --> 00:21:28,204 If I'm bigger than you and get you on my shoulder, 450 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,165 I get you on my hip, I'm gonna use my size, you know? 451 00:21:31,249 --> 00:21:32,542 I see it all the time. 452 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,628 I'll be on social media, like, "LeBron has no bag." 453 00:21:35,712 --> 00:21:38,548 -It's like, I'm sitting over here… -What is that? 454 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:40,008 "LeBron has no bag." 455 00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:42,760 And I'm sitting here, like, at 50 billion points. 456 00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:45,555 Leading scorer of all time in the NBA, no bag. 457 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:48,307 Just… that proves the point. 458 00:21:48,391 --> 00:21:50,893 Yes, just play the game the right way. 459 00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:54,647 And I hope that our generation, you know, our younger generation, 460 00:21:54,731 --> 00:21:57,984 don't get, you know, swamped by saying, 461 00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:01,320 "Okay, I need a bag, I need a bag." 462 00:22:01,404 --> 00:22:03,281 You know, work on your game. 463 00:22:03,364 --> 00:22:06,367 Know what you're gonna be good at in order to help the team, 464 00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:08,953 improve the next year to be a better player. 465 00:22:09,037 --> 00:22:12,290 If you come in as a guy that's, "My offensive game is not developed," 466 00:22:12,373 --> 00:22:14,709 you come in, you defend, you get extra possessions. 467 00:22:14,792 --> 00:22:16,419 You get extra rebounders for the guys. 468 00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:20,048 Okay, and then next year you work on your game in the off-season. 469 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:22,091 It's only one or two… 470 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:25,344 If you want to… Three guys maximum 471 00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,056 that's gonna be handling the fucking ball anyways. 472 00:22:28,139 --> 00:22:30,558 -Right. -We don't need you to have a bag. 473 00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:33,811 There's only gonna be… We have the luxury of having three guys-- 474 00:22:33,895 --> 00:22:36,522 you know, us two and A.R.-- but not many teams have three guys 475 00:22:36,606 --> 00:22:39,025 that's gonna be handling the ball like that anyways. 476 00:22:39,108 --> 00:22:42,320 You know, you can make $200 million in the NBA 477 00:22:42,403 --> 00:22:45,114 if you defend and shoot a corner three-pointer. 478 00:22:45,198 --> 00:22:46,949 That's it, you're gonna play. 479 00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:50,453 But that's the biggest point, and I'd love to hear your perspective on this. 480 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:52,914 But, like, all the time you're doing this 481 00:22:52,997 --> 00:22:55,374 that you're never gonna use as the levels go up, 482 00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:58,836 if you can just make open shots, space the floor, 483 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,422 play smart, you can go up a level. 484 00:23:01,506 --> 00:23:03,591 Yeah, I mean, 100%. 485 00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:06,677 I mean, like he said. I don't have nothing more to add. 486 00:23:06,761 --> 00:23:09,597 -Yeah, well, but that's the thing. -But it's true, yeah. 487 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,725 But the thing is, like, you know, you guys are creators. 488 00:23:12,809 --> 00:23:15,686 You know, in the way the game is played today, 489 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:19,565 we put shooters on the floor to create space for the creator. 490 00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:21,609 They make you better by creating space, 491 00:23:21,692 --> 00:23:23,653 you make them better by being a creator. 492 00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:27,490 The minute of them starts doing this, they're going out of the game. 493 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,326 Right? So, that's interesting the way we perceive, 494 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:32,370 or we allow our kids to perceive that. 495 00:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,080 I don't know where that… 496 00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:37,291 Why that has been able to have a louder voice than coaching, 497 00:23:37,375 --> 00:23:38,960 than fundamentals, than team play. 498 00:23:39,043 --> 00:23:40,795 -Right. -You know. 499 00:23:40,878 --> 00:23:44,924 One more important thing is, like, for guys, know your role. 500 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:47,593 Know what you do good and do that. 501 00:23:47,677 --> 00:23:49,804 Don't do something that you're not good at. 502 00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:52,515 -It's not gonna help. -It's gonna expose you. 503 00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:55,977 Such an important part of winning teams is knowing your role, right? 504 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:59,105 Starting at your role, being able to be good at your role, right? 505 00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:02,608 When guys start to have the wrong perspective on their role, 506 00:24:02,692 --> 00:24:05,736 play outside themselves, the team is going down the other way. 507 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:08,948 How do we get kids to appreciate the fundamentals 508 00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:11,659 rather than the highlight reels, the mix tapes? 509 00:24:11,742 --> 00:24:13,911 -You have to teach them. -Talk. 510 00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:15,413 It has to be teach. 511 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:17,248 I think that's a great word. 512 00:24:17,331 --> 00:24:21,002 You know, I think, unfortunately, there's not enough teaching. 513 00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:22,879 -There's not enough teachers. -Right. 514 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,630 Not enough teachers. Great point. 515 00:24:24,714 --> 00:24:28,426 It's hard to teach if the teachers don't know what the hell they're teaching. 516 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:32,054 It's now more about scheduling tournaments and games. 517 00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:33,139 To learn. 518 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:35,683 I mean, you want to learn, there's a lot of games here. 519 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:38,019 -[Steve] A lot of games. -Play a lot of games, less practice. 520 00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:39,270 [Steve] Yeah. 521 00:24:39,353 --> 00:24:42,481 But in the end, like, the greatest players come from America, 522 00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:44,609 so they're doing something good. 523 00:24:44,692 --> 00:24:47,028 Well, let's talk about that for a second 524 00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:51,115 because you can make a case that, of the top players in the league, 525 00:24:51,199 --> 00:24:54,118 there's got to be five of the top five to ten are from Europe. 526 00:24:54,202 --> 00:24:56,329 -Correct. -Now. 527 00:24:56,412 --> 00:24:57,872 -[Steve] Now, right. -Yeah. 528 00:24:57,955 --> 00:25:02,084 But why? I think what we're talking about plays a role in this. 529 00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:05,171 You know, I'll make a statement that'll probably be aggregated, 530 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:08,049 and I'll be a meme for this. 531 00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,384 But America's not great at player development. 532 00:25:10,468 --> 00:25:13,971 I'm not saying there's not great coaches here. 533 00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:16,432 But not enough. 534 00:25:17,099 --> 00:25:20,478 I think one of the problems with America, in all sports, 535 00:25:20,561 --> 00:25:23,356 to defend America, is it's too big. 536 00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:27,652 There's no one way, there's no one system. 537 00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:29,779 There's no one idea, we're all competing. 538 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,281 And I think that's allowed the commercialization 539 00:25:32,365 --> 00:25:33,866 to kind of influence the game. 540 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:35,368 That's a good point. 541 00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:38,412 -Like, think about… -Ain't getting no smaller. 542 00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:39,789 It's not getting smaller. 543 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,542 Well, it might right now, but that's another topic. 544 00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:45,044 [laughs] 545 00:25:45,127 --> 00:25:48,172 But, like, Slovenia, too many people win the EuroCup. 546 00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:51,467 Like, that's crazy to think about, right? 547 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,345 But that's because it was fundamentals, it was team play. 548 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,223 Like, you guys could say… You were what, 18, 17? 549 00:25:57,306 --> 00:25:58,557 -Eighteen. -Eighteen? 550 00:25:58,641 --> 00:26:02,478 You could say, okay, well, we didn't know that Luka was Luka completely yet. 551 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,648 Maybe going to that tournament, we knew you were gonna be an NBA player. 552 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:08,234 We didn't know you were gonna be what you are. 553 00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:09,443 You kind of announced… 554 00:26:09,527 --> 00:26:11,195 -I didn't know either. -[Steve] Yeah. 555 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,198 But you announced yourself there and at Madrid and the EuroLeague. 556 00:26:14,282 --> 00:26:18,327 But the teamwork, two million people. You see it all over the world. 557 00:26:18,411 --> 00:26:21,580 I think sometimes we forget, like, America's so big. 558 00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,541 So many opinions, so many regions. 559 00:26:23,624 --> 00:26:26,752 -It's also a pride thing too. -Great point. 560 00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:29,839 When you live in Slovenia, you're livin' in some of these countries 561 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:32,174 that's not as big as American cities. 562 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:36,512 It's a sense of pride to be able to go out there and represent your country. 563 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,597 You know, everything is city-based here. 564 00:26:38,681 --> 00:26:42,143 You know, and it took a while for us as far as the Olympics 565 00:26:42,226 --> 00:26:46,522 to get that sense of pride back, you know? 566 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:50,067 You know, we got our ass kicked in 2004, 567 00:26:50,151 --> 00:26:52,945 and then we lost in the World Championship in 2006. 568 00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:57,491 It took us time to be, like, "Oh, this is real." 569 00:26:57,575 --> 00:27:01,412 The rest of these countries not only are getting better with basketball, 570 00:27:01,495 --> 00:27:03,539 but it's a sense of pride too, 571 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,709 you know, and when you have that sense of pride, 572 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:09,462 you have a sense of work ethic that goes a lot longer, 573 00:27:09,545 --> 00:27:11,964 you have a sense of accountability that's a little bit longer, 574 00:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,550 you have a sense of just wanting to be there 575 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,136 because you know what you're representing. 576 00:27:17,219 --> 00:27:20,973 And I think a lot of that has to do with it too because they're just cities. 577 00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:24,560 It's like America, but everybody's talking about, "Where you from?" 578 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:27,021 -"I'm from Chicago, Houston, LA." -Nobody says "America." 579 00:27:27,104 --> 00:27:29,440 Yeah, everyone says the city they're from. 580 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:32,693 You know, and it's country-based all over the world, 581 00:27:32,777 --> 00:27:34,236 and it's a sense of pride. 582 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,654 And you see that. 583 00:27:35,738 --> 00:27:39,408 I've obviously been a part of four USA teams. 584 00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:42,370 And then you see that, you feel that. 585 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:44,497 You know, you actually really feel it. 586 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,124 You feel it from not only the competition on the floor, 587 00:27:47,208 --> 00:27:50,628 but you feel it from the fucking chants of the fans in the crowd. 588 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:53,714 -Passion of the crowd. -How passionate it is, you know? 589 00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,467 That's why I play every year. 590 00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:59,804 But that's an interesting point about the cities, 591 00:27:59,887 --> 00:28:02,056 is that you see, like, if it's not… 592 00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:04,100 If there's a way out, 593 00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,520 that's a way out for a lot of American players. 594 00:28:07,603 --> 00:28:12,733 "Oh, someone else can play." You can't not play for Slovenia, right? 595 00:28:12,817 --> 00:28:16,195 Like, you all feel like we got to play because we're all we have. 596 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:17,279 True. 597 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:19,990 Tell me about that feeling, though, and the connection with the fans. 598 00:28:20,074 --> 00:28:22,785 Because I went back for Goran Dragić's retirement game. 599 00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:25,121 Sold out in, like, five minutes, two minutes. 600 00:28:25,204 --> 00:28:27,331 I mean, we had some great names coming, so… 601 00:28:27,415 --> 00:28:30,251 -[Steve] That's true. -Like Steve Nash. 602 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:31,419 [laughs] 603 00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:34,088 But still, like, for… 604 00:28:34,171 --> 00:28:37,675 You know, a country that size, it's got to be a… 605 00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:39,093 There's a connection. 606 00:28:39,176 --> 00:28:41,387 There's a way of, we have to play this way. 607 00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:43,055 -We need all our guys. -Yeah. 608 00:28:43,139 --> 00:28:45,391 I mean, that's why I was playing, 609 00:28:45,474 --> 00:28:48,727 because of pride and I like to represent my country. 610 00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:51,188 But you see, you know, there's… 611 00:28:51,272 --> 00:28:54,066 My country lives for sports. 612 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:55,734 There's a lot of… 613 00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:59,780 For how small we are, I think we have great sports people. 614 00:28:59,864 --> 00:29:02,158 -[Steve] Unreal. -Bicyclists. 615 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,118 -We have ski jumpers. -[Steve] Pogačar. 616 00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:05,703 -How? -How do you say Pogačar? 617 00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:07,163 Pogačar. You were close. 618 00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:09,331 How many Tours de France has he won? 619 00:29:09,415 --> 00:29:11,584 Oh, I don't know. A lot, probably. 620 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:13,586 He's won a few. 621 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:17,506 You got NBA, you got soccer, you got ski jumpers, everything. 622 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:19,258 For two million people, it's incredible. 623 00:29:19,341 --> 00:29:23,345 It's a lot, but that's when, like, the crowd is into it, you know? 624 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:26,390 I think we give back a lot to our country, 625 00:29:26,474 --> 00:29:30,144 so that's why the crowd and the people are really into sports. 626 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:31,520 [LeBron] That's awesome. 627 00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:36,442 Well, I want to salute you on this incredible Inside Youth Basketball study. 628 00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:39,111 -Thank you. -I'm happy to be along for the journey. 629 00:29:39,195 --> 00:29:41,113 -Let's cheers to that. -Impact. 630 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,407 -Cheers to that. Congratulations. -Thank you. 631 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:46,452 -Cheers to our youth, to our kids. -Thank you for having me. 632 00:29:46,535 --> 00:29:48,662 [bluesy theme playing] 633 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,545 I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Luka Dončić. 634 00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:01,425 Being a part of his athletes' council for his Inside Youth Basketball study 635 00:30:01,509 --> 00:30:02,676 has been a pleasure for me. 636 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,512 It's something near and dear to my heart. 637 00:30:04,595 --> 00:30:07,431 As someone that fought his way all the way 638 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:10,059 through a long career of basketball, 639 00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,478 it always fascinates me 640 00:30:12,561 --> 00:30:14,688 the landscape that kids have to navigate. 641 00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:17,316 How can we help them reach for their dreams? 642 00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:19,693 Of course, not all kids are gonna make the NBA, 643 00:30:19,777 --> 00:30:23,197 but in all sports, kids should have joy, 644 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,824 passion, support, belief, 645 00:30:25,908 --> 00:30:30,371 systems that allow them to learn the characteristics of teamwork, 646 00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:33,958 collaboration, learning how to succeed, fail, 647 00:30:34,041 --> 00:30:36,460 growing up at the appropriate times, 648 00:30:36,544 --> 00:30:38,003 resilience. 649 00:30:38,087 --> 00:30:40,506 There's so many things that sport affords us. 650 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:44,051 And when his study came out and other studies similar 651 00:30:44,134 --> 00:30:46,720 that have said that 70% of kids 652 00:30:46,804 --> 00:30:48,931 have quit sports by the time of 13 653 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:51,892 because there's too much pressure in the system. 654 00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:53,602 There's not enough joy or fun, 655 00:30:53,686 --> 00:30:57,064 not enough childhood involved in youth sports. 656 00:30:57,147 --> 00:31:00,568 It's alarming, and it's something that I feel very passionate about, 657 00:31:00,651 --> 00:31:02,653 not just from the athlete development component, 658 00:31:02,736 --> 00:31:07,116 but from developing the health and wellness of our kids in our communities. 659 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:12,329 Sports is such an incredible tool that offers us a place to learn, 660 00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,415 to grow, to find out who we are, 661 00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:17,042 to make friends, teammates, to collaborate-- 662 00:31:17,126 --> 00:31:20,087 so many gifts that allow us to succeed in life, 663 00:31:20,170 --> 00:31:24,091 whether it's with our families, with our careers, jobs, 664 00:31:24,174 --> 00:31:29,305 dealing and navigating with the adversity that we all find in life. 665 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:32,600 These are all things that can really be developed through sport. 666 00:31:32,683 --> 00:31:36,604 So when I hear kids are quitting sport, you know, I think it's important for us 667 00:31:36,687 --> 00:31:38,981 to really dig deep and find out why kids are quitting, 668 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:41,400 and why sport for life is not the goal here, 669 00:31:41,483 --> 00:31:44,987 where joy and passion and being able to enjoy 670 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:49,325 the fruits of a childhood being active, being healthy, 671 00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,995 being a teammate, having core memories around sport 672 00:31:53,078 --> 00:31:57,291 is so important to our communities, to our families, to our kids. 673 00:31:57,374 --> 00:32:01,045 So, I feel honored, one, to have spoken to Luka deeply 674 00:32:01,128 --> 00:32:03,422 about why he commissioned this study, 675 00:32:03,505 --> 00:32:06,842 why he wants to affect youth basketball the way he does, 676 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,054 and how we can all come together and learn, 677 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:11,722 share best practices, 678 00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:14,058 and find a way to be more efficient and effective 679 00:32:14,141 --> 00:32:16,185 at helping our youth enjoy sports, 680 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:19,104 whether you're a high performer or whether you're just participating 681 00:32:19,188 --> 00:32:21,523 and want to be a part of a team or learn a skill. 682 00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:26,403 So important for our communities to give our kids a place to learn, 683 00:32:26,487 --> 00:32:29,531 to grow, to fail, to bounce back, 684 00:32:29,615 --> 00:32:31,617 and to ultimately succeed in life. 685 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,703 So thank you for watching Mind the Game. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 686 00:32:34,787 --> 00:32:38,123 Please subscribe if you haven't. Look forward to seeing you next time. 687 00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:40,417 Absolutely. Get him on up out of here. 688 00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:42,670 -What you doing next week? -Get him up out of here. 689 00:32:42,753 --> 00:32:44,171 -Get him-- get him up out of here. -I'm playing. 690 00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:47,216 Um, sound guy, get his mic. Let him get him up out of here. 56047

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