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-[JJ] All right, we're at 2.47?
-[man] 2.47.
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Yep.
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We're all good, baby.
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How is it? How we looking?
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Make my mom proud?
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Welcome to episode five
of Mind the Game
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with LeBron James and JJ Reddick,
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brought to you
by Uninterrupted and 342 Productions.
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Today's episode is a very special episode.
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It's a two-part episode.
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LeBron and I lay the groundwork
for the NBA playoffs,
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what makes them different,
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what the experience is like
as a player going through it.
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And we are also joined
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by LeBron James'
high school basketball coach,
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Coach Keith Dambrot.
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Coach Dambrot coached for 40 years
at the college and high school level.
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He was the head coach at Central Michigan,
Akron, and of course, his latest stop,
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Duquesne, where they made
the NCAA tournament
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and won their first-round game.
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Coach Dambrot is now retiring.
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Just a fascinating conversation
we have with him.
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Again, this show is about basketball
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and we're going to cover
all aspects of basketball,
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uh, including college, high school,
youth development, FIBA, the WNBA.
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I know we spoke at length last week
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about the icons
in women's college basketball.
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So, awesome to get
Coach Keith Dambrot's experience,
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expertise, and insight, uh,
through his lens.
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And of course, through his lens,
what it was like
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to coach a freshman and sophomore
LeBron James in high school.
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There are a few different concepts
that we talk about in episode five.
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Perhaps most importantly
is something called top-locking.
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And I want to be very clear on this.
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'Cause there tends to be some confusion,
particularly from Jason Gallagher.
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It is not top-blocking.
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It is top-locking.
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Top-locking is an off-the-ball
defensive scheme
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where you force the shooter,
the offensive player,
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coming off of a wide pin down,
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or at any sort of off-ball screen
and you force him towards the basket.
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You get on his high side or his top side.
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And you force him back
towards the basket or the baseline.
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All right, let's say
the ball is right here.
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Defender there.
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Let's say there is a shooter
in the corner.
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And there is a big guy that's going
to screen away for the shooter.
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As he comes down to screen,
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this big would drop to protect the basket.
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And a top-lock is simply
when the shooter's man
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gets all the way on the outside
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forcing him back towards the basket.
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The protection, again,
comes from this big,
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or whoever is guarding the screener,
who drops back.
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Again, top-locking,
not top-blocking.
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Oh, real quick, on the top-locking thing,
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which, again, this is a little bit
of a cheat code for the Boston Celtics.
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Let's say that this is Kristaps Porziņģis,
and let's say this is Jaylen Brown.
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At any point in time,
if Kristaps Porziņģis goes
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to set an away screen on Jaylen Brown,
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and Jaylen Brown's defender
gets into a top-lock,
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and Kristaps Porziņģis' defender
drops back to provide support,
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Jaylen Brown can just go
set a screen right here,
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and you've got Kristaps Porziņģis popping
into space for an open three.
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That's sort of the counter
if you have a shooting big.
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Also, similar to top-locking,
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another concept that comes up
in the conversation is icing or downing.
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Icing or downing a pick-and-roll
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is when the defender
guarding a ball handler
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on a side pick-and-roll
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gets again on the high side
or the top side
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and forces it towards the baseline.
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The big man who is covering the screener
drops back towards the baseline,
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towards the basket, to give support
to the defender on the ball handler.
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Again, the defender on the ball handler
has completely opened up,
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gotten on the ball handler's top side,
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and is forcing the ball down
towards the baseline.
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We've got two offensive players here.
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The screener goes into a pick-and-roll
over here on the side of the court.
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As that's happening,
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the big defender would shout,
"Ice," or "Downs."
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Again, some teams have color concepts
for this, but ice or down,
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he would then drop to provide support,
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and the guy guarding the ball would jump
on the high side of the offensive player,
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of the ball handler,
and force it down towards the baseline.
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That is an ice…
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or down.
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Motion offense.
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Motion offense is simply
a five-man offensive scheme
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that relies on screening action,
ball movement, and body movement.
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Motion offense, typically,
is very free flowing.
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There's not a set action
that leads to another action,
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at least that's how I was taught it.
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Motion offense just means
you're running pin downs, away screens,
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you're moving the ball side to side.
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Again, you're just in motion.
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You know how I was taught motion offense?
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It was three out, two in.
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So three offensive players
outside the three-point line
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and two offensive players
inside the three-point line.
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And again, motion offense could
be any one of these options.
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You pass to the wing,
and you go screen away and replace.
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As that's happening,
maybe you get a cross screen here
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and you replace.
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Let's say none of that works.
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Ball was over here on the right side.
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Ball goes back to the top of the key.
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Again, motion offense,
let's say you can run a pin down here,
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run a pin down here.
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That's just motion offense,
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is ball, body movement, pin downs,
away screens, cross screens.
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Motion offense.
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Flex offense is another offense
we talk about.
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Flex offense, very simply,
is a half-court offensive scheme
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that relies on a baseline screen
and then a pin down.
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And that is a continuous offense.
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Uh, a lot of high school teams run it.
College teams still run it.
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I remember Boston College,
when we played them and I was at Duke,
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Coach Al Skinner,
that is literally all they ran offensively
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was the flex offense.
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Gary Williams in Maryland
also ran the flex offense a ton.
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This is just a basic flex offense.
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So you'll have five offensive players.
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And a lot of times,
a ball handler will enter it this way.
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He would pass…
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to one of the men up top
and make some sort of cut
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off the other high guy.
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Once that happens,
we are in a flex alignment.
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And this, all it is, is a baseline screen
looking for a layup into a pin down.
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And again, once you pin down,
you go back out to the corner,
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and this can be continuous.
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Baseline cut, pin down.
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Some teams that still run this,
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once this first pin down happens,
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a lot of times, this is a big,
this is a guard.
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He would then just come back
and set a high pick-and-roll,
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and you play out of that.
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So you can run flex
to get into other actions,
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or you can make flex continuous.
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and I happen to be on my Twitter account,
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and one of you guys points out a slot cut.
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One of you guys points out
one of the actions
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we talk about on the podcast.
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Uh, pretty awesome for us.
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So, appreciate y'all.
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And this is episode five of Mind the Game.
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All right. End game. Game two.
One of your most iconic shots.
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[LeBron] What game?
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[JJ] Game two, 2009 conference finals.
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[LeBron] Oh, yeah. Orlando.
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I have a question about that play.
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'Cause that is an example of a, you know,
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off-ball movement, catch-and-shoot three.
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Yep.
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So, if I remember correctly…
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uh, Mo was taking it out.
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[LeBron] Yep.
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Delonte set like a flare screen
for Ilgauskas.
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-Yep.
-Right, right here.
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I think it was Pavlovic
just kind of ran to the ball.
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-[LeBron] Yep.
-And you were over here on this elbow.
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You actually never
got a screen on that play.
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No, 'cause I was supposed to…
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The play was for to fake up
and go backdoor for the lob.
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And Turk played it,
and Turk played it perfectly.
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-Okay.
-So I faked up.
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And I tried to go back for the lob,
and I said, "It's not open."
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It's not open.
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So I just came to the ball.
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-And Turk fucked that up.
-Yeah.
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My only issue on that play.
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I didn't even see Rashard.
He had a hell of a contest.
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-[JJ] Yes.
-He was guarding the ball.
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-He was guarding Mo, yeah.
-He was guarding the ball.
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I didn't see it until after the fact.
I never saw him.
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-I never saw him.
-You only saw Turk.
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Only saw Turk.
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Do you remember…
Do you remember your first playoff game?
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My first playoff game…
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I do.
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What do you remember about it?
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I was nervous as fuck.
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That's what I remember.
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-This was third year?
-This was third year.
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-Third year.
-Yeah. And I don't know…
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We can look it up and figure out
when was the last time
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the Cavs were in the postseason.
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But that was just like,
my first year, okay,
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I was establishing myself
in my first year.
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Second year, we missed the playoffs
by maybe one or two games.
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And it's like, "Okay,
I'm here to, like, play ball,
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but I want to make the next step."
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I got to get this franchise
to the postseason.
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And my third year,
we finally made the postseason,
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and we-- our first game was
against Washington at home.
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I was nervous as hell.
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My stomach was hurting
all goddamn long,
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all day until,
literally until the ball jump.
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Why do you think…
Like, what have you reflected on that?
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Why do you think
you were more nervous for that game
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than any other game?
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Well, it was two games.
My first ever game in Sacramento.
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And then I didn't want
to fucking lay an egg.
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-Obviously, everybody was watching.
-Hold on.
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This is not a narrative podcast.
I just want to be clear on this.
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But I think what you're admitting here
is that you felt the burden.
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-You felt the pressure.
-Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah. Pressure.
Who's under more pressure?
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Yeah, who is it? What's the pressure?
What is pressure?
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No, I didn't want to lay an egg, man.
I was, what, 20? 20 years old?
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Got the team to the postseason.
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I didn't want to go out there
and shit the bed.
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I was maybe 21, maybe.
But, like, I didn't want to shit the bed.
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First playoff game, you know,
look out, there's Gilbert Arenas
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and Antawn Jamison
and Caron Butler and those guys.
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They were playing great ball that year.
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We're inexperienced as hell.
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I didn't want to lay an egg.
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What did you have?
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32-11-11.
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[laughing]
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-I laid an egg all right.
-Oh, man.
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In their locker room.
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Yeah, I think… Don't quote me on this.
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I think it was like 35-7-6
or 35-7-7 or something.
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-Well, for the whole series?
-For the whole series.
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-Yeah.
-Oh, shit.
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-Not bad.
-Yeah, not bad.
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Not bad for the first one.
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You've played in, uh…
a ton of playoff games, obviously.
241
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-You've won championships.
-Mm-hmm.
242
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Um…
243
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There's a lot that's different…
244
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about the playoffs
and the regular season.
245
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What is it?
What is different… about the playoffs?
246
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In general or for me?
247
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-In general.
-In general.
248
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We'll get to you specifically.
249
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In general, um, as you know,
250
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as you've played
in a lot of postseason games too,
251
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one possession can lose you the series.
252
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And compared to the regular season,
you can get away with some slippage.
253
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You can get away.
It's four or five nights.
254
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You're fucking tired.
255
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You know, it's a cold-ass Tuesday night
in Milwaukee.
256
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You know, you're like,
"Holy shit, not this Milwaukee team."
257
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I mean, obviously,
you get up for those guys, but…
258
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in the postseason…
259
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one bad stretch,
260
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it could be a fucking 6-0 run.
261
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It could be a turnover here.
262
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It could be…
263
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you didn't top-lock JJ when we told you
we top-locking him all series
264
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and now he done seen one go in.
265
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Even if you…
266
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There's times where you know
you can win a playoff game…
267
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and because the way you finished the game,
268
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you already lost the second one.
269
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You done let-- you done let
that fucking guy or that person
270
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get into a rhythm in the fourth quarter
271
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because you decided you didn't want
to lock in for eight to nine more minutes.
272
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And, yes, we won the game.
But now, we may lose the war.
273
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Yeah.
274
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The mental side of the playoffs,
by the way.
275
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Thank you. Yeah.
276
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Particularly…
277
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uh, against a really good opponent.
278
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-Yeah.
-I think it was in episode one.
279
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You said, "The further you go
into playoffs, to win,
280
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you have to be a high-IQ team."
281
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Yep.
282
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It's, uh…
283
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it's obviously emotionally draining.
284
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Mm-hmm.
285
00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:56,771
Because of the… There is pressure.
286
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It's different.
287
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-You feel more with each win and loss.
-Mm-hmm.
288
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You get to two losses in a series.
289
00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:06,031
You get to three losses in a series,
an elimination game.
290
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You're down 3-2, you've got to go
on the road to San Antonio.
291
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They won the championship last year.
292
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You've got to muster up enough
to beat them to get back home.
293
00:15:14,289 --> 00:15:17,250
That emotional toll is a lot.
The physical toll, of course, playing.
294
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To me, like, the mental side of it,
295
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I think that is a huge separator,
296
00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:26,801
because, oftentimes,
mental mistakes within a game…
297
00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:30,221
can lead to a series loss.
298
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For sure.
299
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I think about one I made.
300
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I was in Orlando.
301
00:15:37,187 --> 00:15:39,731
We were playing in the conference finals
against Boston,
302
00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:41,691
and I had played a good game.
303
00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:43,818
And there was a timeout.
304
00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:46,863
Let's say there was 29 seconds.
305
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:51,117
There was a five or six-second difference
between shot clock and game clock.
306
00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,078
And go to the timeout…
307
00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:54,954
I know we have a timeout.
308
00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:56,289
I know we have a timeout.
309
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We get the stop.
310
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I get the rebound.
311
00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:01,503
-[LeBron] You dribble?
-First… No.
312
00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:03,380
-First I looked at Stan.
-Mm-hmm.
313
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And I'm not saying it was his fault.
314
00:16:05,256 --> 00:16:06,883
I looked-- I knew there was a timeout.
315
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,135
I knew I was,
I should have called a timeout.
316
00:16:09,219 --> 00:16:12,806
And I looked at him
and he didn't do anything.
317
00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:16,893
So then I just instinctively put the ball
on the floor and then he called a timeout.
318
00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,729
-Yeah. Now you can't advance the ball.
-Now we got three seconds.
319
00:16:19,813 --> 00:16:22,607
We've got to take it out
three-quarter court opposite foul line.
320
00:16:22,691 --> 00:16:24,693
-And we didn't get a good shot off.
-Mm-hmm.
321
00:16:24,776 --> 00:16:26,152
Now, we were down.
322
00:16:26,236 --> 00:16:28,613
I don't know that we win anyways,
323
00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:31,449
but that's an example of, like,
a mental mistake.
324
00:16:31,533 --> 00:16:32,951
I'll give you another one.
325
00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:35,328
And this one has bothered me…
326
00:16:35,412 --> 00:16:37,288
for four years.
327
00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:39,624
And I'm not throwing this guy
under the bus
328
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:42,085
'cause I think his intention was right.
329
00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:47,590
Um, 2020 playoffs conference finals.
330
00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,718
You guys are up 1-0 on Denver.
331
00:16:50,885 --> 00:16:52,679
And you're down at the end of the game.
332
00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:54,681
You've got the ball underneath the basket.
333
00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:57,267
-Yep.
-Mason Plumlee checks in the game.
334
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:58,643
-Yep.
-To guard Anthony Davis.
335
00:16:58,727 --> 00:16:59,728
Yep.
336
00:16:59,811 --> 00:17:01,229
You were on the left elbow.
337
00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:03,356
Anthony Davis is on the right elbow.
338
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,859
Danny Green makes some cut or whatever.
339
00:17:05,942 --> 00:17:07,736
And Anthony Davis runs to the left wing.
340
00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:09,112
You never set a pick.
341
00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:13,408
In fact, your back was turned
to Anthony Davis and Mason Plumlee.
342
00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:16,828
[LeBron] Correct. 'Cause I was just
looking at 'Do, like, "Give me the ball."
343
00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:18,037
[JJ] I know.
344
00:17:18,121 --> 00:17:21,040
-And Mason Plumlee point switched.
-[LeBron] Yeah, point switched.
345
00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:23,251
And Anthony Davis hit
the game-winning three.
346
00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:24,836
Now you're down 2-0.
347
00:17:25,587 --> 00:17:30,091
Like that stuff, the little tiny plays…
348
00:17:30,175 --> 00:17:32,218
It's weird 'cause in the playoffs,
I would say…
349
00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:36,598
the little plays get amplified more.
350
00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:37,974
-Does that make sense?
-Yep.
351
00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:41,811
Versus a regular season,
you go through 82 games,
352
00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:43,646
it doesn't feel the same way.
353
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:44,731
Yeah.
354
00:17:44,814 --> 00:17:48,109
That's why my body language is so bad
throughout the regular season.
355
00:17:48,193 --> 00:17:50,779
'Cause I'm trying to gear them up
for the postseason 'cause…
356
00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:54,866
Don't understand.
Some guys don't understand. Like, it's...
357
00:17:56,201 --> 00:17:59,496
One play, like you saying,
one play can be the difference
358
00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:02,791
between your ass going home
and going to Cabo or Cancun
359
00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:04,292
or wherever the hell you going.
360
00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:09,547
Or going to Disneyland or Disney World
with the trophy in your hand.
361
00:18:10,507 --> 00:18:14,385
Do you think the…
the sort of game within the game…
362
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,348
of coaches is different?
363
00:18:19,516 --> 00:18:21,351
-Meaning?
-Like, I don't know…
364
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:26,022
Bob Myers maybe didn't originate this
but I know that he said it at some point.
365
00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:30,360
There are 82 game players
and then there's 16 game players, right?
366
00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:34,030
Do you think that in some ways
there are regular season, like,
367
00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:37,784
good regular season coaches
versus good playoff coaches?
368
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,495
Like, how much does coaching matter
369
00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:42,163
in the NBA in the playoffs?
370
00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:43,456
It matters a lot.
371
00:18:44,749 --> 00:18:45,750
Preparation.
372
00:18:46,543 --> 00:18:50,755
Prep. How much prep are you getting
going into a series to win?
373
00:18:52,215 --> 00:18:54,467
You get out there and…
374
00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:56,719
you kind of ready for…
375
00:18:57,929 --> 00:18:59,472
everything that's going
to be thrown at you.
376
00:18:59,556 --> 00:19:01,182
And, obviously,
everybody makes adjustments
377
00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,476
and then you got the great players
that don't matter
378
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,562
what type of fucking game plan
you got on them,
379
00:19:05,645 --> 00:19:07,063
they're going to exploit it
no matter what,
380
00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:11,943
but as much as you can be prepared
going out for a series…
381
00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:13,528
And you know, changes…
382
00:19:13,611 --> 00:19:16,072
You know, like, game one
is kind of like the filler game,
383
00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:18,074
you know, you almost, like,
tell your players
384
00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:19,659
"Just go out and just fucking play."
385
00:19:19,742 --> 00:19:21,411
Just go out and play game one.
386
00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:23,830
Don't think too much 'cause if you start
thinking too much,
387
00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:27,083
now you can't even just like be...
can't even just be a player no more
388
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,960
'cause now you're just trying
to think the game,
389
00:19:29,043 --> 00:19:32,881
but me, personally, I want overload.
390
00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:34,424
-You want overload.
-I want overload.
391
00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:38,219
I want all the information,
everything, everybody, every individual,
392
00:19:39,137 --> 00:19:40,388
every pros and cons.
393
00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:43,266
And I don't do that
throughout the 82-game regular season.
394
00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:46,477
I don't have the time to do that.
I don't have the time.
395
00:19:46,561 --> 00:19:49,981
The league has changed a lot
with practice time,
396
00:19:50,899 --> 00:19:53,943
shoot-around time, amount of time
you spend in the film room.
397
00:19:54,027 --> 00:19:55,320
-It just has.
-Yeah, it has.
398
00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:58,031
And you know, I was fortunate.
399
00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,450
I would say fortunate
five of my first six years,
400
00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:01,576
I played for Stan.
401
00:20:01,659 --> 00:20:04,454
I also played for him my, you know,
my last year in New Orleans.
402
00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:08,333
When you talk about the preparation,
it was interesting to me
403
00:20:08,416 --> 00:20:11,628
that he prepared
for a regular season game
404
00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:13,755
the same way he prepared
for a postseason game.
405
00:20:14,339 --> 00:20:16,382
So we're in shoot-around
for an hour and a half.
406
00:20:16,466 --> 00:20:18,301
We got knee pads on, we're going live.
407
00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:21,054
He would-- I remember at the end
of shoot-arounds, he'd be like,
408
00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:24,724
"All right, these guys
haven't run this play in five games.
409
00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:27,143
This is an ATO,
but they haven't run it in five years.
410
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,771
I want to be prepared for it.
Let's go through it.
411
00:20:29,854 --> 00:20:31,564
You guys didn't do it right.
Let's go through it again."
412
00:20:31,648 --> 00:20:33,483
-That's the Rouse tree.
-A hundred percent.
413
00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:35,443
That's the Rouse tree.
Suppose the same way.
414
00:20:35,526 --> 00:20:39,238
So when we got-- But my point is,
when we got to the playoffs,
415
00:20:39,322 --> 00:20:40,615
it didn't feel any different.
416
00:20:40,698 --> 00:20:43,201
-Right, 'cause you--
-When we were prepping for a playoff.
417
00:20:43,284 --> 00:20:46,496
Yeah, for sure. That's just suppose
the same way. That's the Rouse tree.
418
00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:48,456
You know, you come
from that Pat Riley tree.
419
00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:52,001
That's just you prepare every day
like it's your last, for sure.
420
00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:54,921
You mentioned
the word "exploitation" again.
421
00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:57,006
[laughing]
422
00:20:58,716 --> 00:20:59,842
How much…
423
00:21:00,718 --> 00:21:06,975
mental energy in a playoff series,
playoff game,
424
00:21:07,058 --> 00:21:11,187
are you spending on exploitation,
how to exploit the other team?
425
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,523
-You personally.
-Forty-eight minutes.
426
00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:15,108
Yeah.
427
00:21:15,191 --> 00:21:18,569
And if we need 53 or 58,
428
00:21:18,653 --> 00:21:19,779
the whole game.
429
00:21:20,571 --> 00:21:23,241
How can you… 'Cause I'm trying
to generate easy buckets.
430
00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:27,495
Easy buckets and I want
to get my guys in a rhythm
431
00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:33,584
and how can we exploit the matchups
and the players that's on the floor?
432
00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:38,047
Sometimes, I get a little disrespectful
to it as well.
433
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:39,632
Certain guys come on the floor,
434
00:21:39,716 --> 00:21:42,969
I'll say it right on the free throw line
while we shooting a free throw,
435
00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:44,345
they're shooting a free throw.
436
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:47,849
Yo, we putting him into action.
437
00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:50,184
Thumb down him.
438
00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:51,644
Yeah.
439
00:21:52,729 --> 00:21:57,859
I want him to know that like, you know,
we're going at him.
440
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:00,611
In the postseason.
441
00:22:00,695 --> 00:22:03,197
I'm glad I never played against you
in the postseason.
442
00:22:04,073 --> 00:22:07,243
-Well, I guess I did. Nine minutes--
-Nine minutes, game two.
443
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:08,661
2009.
444
00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:09,912
Um…
445
00:22:10,705 --> 00:22:17,420
I think the other thing for me
in playing and in watching is,
446
00:22:18,463 --> 00:22:21,466
can you create good offense
down the stretch?
447
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,719
That's true, of course,
in any basketball game.
448
00:22:24,802 --> 00:22:28,931
I think it's harder and harder
the further you go in the playoffs.
449
00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,393
Yeah, it is. I mean, obviously, the...
450
00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:35,521
the IQ, which I always come to,
451
00:22:35,605 --> 00:22:38,524
the IQ from the coaches
to the players heighten
452
00:22:38,608 --> 00:22:41,444
and get better as you go on
and on and on and on,
453
00:22:42,487 --> 00:22:45,698
and once the players
get better too as well,
454
00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:48,618
I feel like being able to execute…
455
00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:53,539
Certain guys are able to execute better
456
00:22:53,623 --> 00:22:56,542
than others and teams
or whatever the case may be…
457
00:22:57,835 --> 00:23:02,090
because nothing bothers them
in the pressure moments.
458
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,635
-Sometimes, the lights are too bright.
-Yeah.
459
00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,136
For certain individuals.
460
00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:09,680
-And that's--
-I-I would…
461
00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,100
I would say this though.
462
00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:13,351
Here's the thing.
463
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:15,144
That's a fair point. Not disagreeing.
464
00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:17,772
Not disagreeing.
465
00:23:17,855 --> 00:23:19,273
For my career,
466
00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:23,152
I think I shot 41%
in the regular season from three.
467
00:23:23,236 --> 00:23:25,905
For my career in the playoffs,
I think I shot over 37%.
468
00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:27,657
Yeah, but that's not
because of the pressure.
469
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,367
No, no, no, but… Hold on.
470
00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:34,413
Oftentimes, our opinion on things
are shaped by our own experience.
471
00:23:34,497 --> 00:23:36,040
-Is that fair?
-That's fair.
472
00:23:36,124 --> 00:23:37,792
You and I have had different experiences
as basketball players.
473
00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,128
Let me hear your experience.
474
00:23:40,211 --> 00:23:44,298
So, later on in my career, once,
475
00:23:44,382 --> 00:23:47,885
pretty much once I got to L.A.
and was, like, a starter
476
00:23:47,969 --> 00:23:50,388
and third or fourth option on offense.
477
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,600
You get to the playoffs,
they treat you like a first option.
478
00:23:54,684 --> 00:23:55,977
Yeah, for sure.
479
00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:57,687
-Do you know what I mean by that?
-Yeah.
480
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,565
They've come up
with a very specific game plan.
481
00:24:00,648 --> 00:24:03,901
This same team for game one, game two,
game three…
482
00:24:03,985 --> 00:24:05,361
-Through game seven.
-Yeah.
483
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:07,697
They've come up
with a specific game plan for you.
484
00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:09,824
So Utah Jazz, 2017.
485
00:24:09,907 --> 00:24:13,161
We are going to top-lock him
as soon as he crosses half-court.
486
00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:16,038
I mean, Doc Rivers said to me
after game one,
487
00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:17,623
he said, "This is not your series.
488
00:24:17,707 --> 00:24:19,542
I need you to stand
in the corner," right?
489
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:22,170
I had a terrible series,
it's the worst series
490
00:24:22,253 --> 00:24:27,175
in my, like… playing career
when I was actually a player.
491
00:24:27,258 --> 00:24:30,428
Not like a bench guy, but like…
It was the worst series of my career.
492
00:24:30,511 --> 00:24:32,013
He's like, "You got to go stand
in the corner.
493
00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:34,640
They're literally...
we're playing four on four without you."
494
00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:37,935
I'm like, "All right," right?
The closeouts…
495
00:24:38,019 --> 00:24:41,397
So if I do create separation
or if you do make a mistake in the kick,
496
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,357
the closeouts are different
in the playoffs.
497
00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:44,483
Yes.
498
00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:49,030
So my catch-and-shoot time
to get a clean release is different.
499
00:24:50,031 --> 00:24:51,282
I'm not making excuses.
500
00:24:51,365 --> 00:24:53,492
-I'm just telling you…
-It is the truth.
501
00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:54,744
…what I experienced.
502
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,163
So do you think because of that…
503
00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,498
37% is not horrible.
504
00:24:59,582 --> 00:25:01,334
-No, hell no.
-It's not good for me.
505
00:25:01,417 --> 00:25:03,711
-I mean, for you…
-It's terrible, it's terrible.
506
00:25:03,794 --> 00:25:05,087
It's terrible for you.
507
00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:06,756
-Yeah, it's terrible for you.
-It's terrible.
508
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,050
I mean, for the average guy,
and they were fucking…
509
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:11,719
-I'm embarrassed.
-They might get a max contract over that.
510
00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:13,262
For you, you should, yeah…
511
00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:17,016
But that's why I-I believe certain guys
once the postseason start
512
00:25:17,099 --> 00:25:21,145
because they've been guarded
a certain way
513
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:26,400
for, what, September to mid-April
a certain way.
514
00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:29,278
You know, you have certain games
that gets, you know,
515
00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,781
circled on the calendar
that certain coaches get up for,
516
00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,575
certain players get up for,
but at the end of the day…
517
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,537
you've been guarded a certain way,
518
00:25:38,621 --> 00:25:40,748
and then, in the postseason,
like you said,
519
00:25:40,831 --> 00:25:42,500
the closeouts are different.
520
00:25:43,793 --> 00:25:46,629
The preparation is different.
Guys-- Guys are…
521
00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:50,716
They're not allowing you
522
00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:55,096
to do what you do best
because, at the end of the day,
523
00:25:55,179 --> 00:25:57,265
if certain guys get off on a team…
524
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,559
you're definitely going to lose.
525
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:03,813
If I'm playing the Clippers, you got…
526
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,482
Okay, you got to deal with Blake
and his points in the paint
527
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,943
and his rolls
and his pocket passes from CP.
528
00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:10,695
You got to deal with CP.
529
00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:12,822
You got to deal with Jamal
coming off the bench
530
00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:14,573
and doing what he does off the bench.
531
00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:20,329
If we allow JJ to get five or six threes,
the series is over.
532
00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:23,165
If you shoot-- If you're getting five or…
533
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:26,877
Not… Fuck making five or six threes.
534
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:29,547
If JJ shooting five or six threes,
we're going to lose.
535
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:33,134
Yeah. The Spurs series in '15.
536
00:26:33,217 --> 00:26:36,178
I remember, dude…
Right, we come out game one…
537
00:26:36,262 --> 00:26:38,180
We're in L.A., we've got the three seed,
538
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,891
they got six seed, even though
we had the same amount of wins
539
00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:44,061
and Kawhi's guarding me.
540
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:51,193
And I'm like, what did I do…
What did I do to deserve this?
541
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,529
What did I do to deserve this?
542
00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:55,072
[LeBron] Why are you guarding me?
543
00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:57,533
[JJ] And for, I don't remember, maybe the
first four or five games of the season,
544
00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,077
he started on me, Danny started on CP.
545
00:27:00,161 --> 00:27:02,621
Then they switched that in game six.
I think it was game…
546
00:27:02,705 --> 00:27:04,707
I know game seven,
Danny was on me.
547
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:08,252
Um, and at the end of the series,
we win.
548
00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:10,046
And like, I didn't have a great series,
549
00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,465
but I had big moments
in the series, you know,
550
00:27:12,548 --> 00:27:15,092
and at the end of the series,
Chip Engelland came up to me.
551
00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:17,428
He's like, "Man, our entire thing
was like we gotta--
552
00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:20,348
We can't allow you to get off.
We threw the kitchen sink to you."
553
00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:21,724
I wasn't even a part of that.
554
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,476
I've seen Pop in the postseason.
555
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,645
I played against him multiple times
in finals appearances.
556
00:27:26,729 --> 00:27:30,232
There was one time
where we're assum… The…
557
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:31,817
He called a timeout.
558
00:27:33,361 --> 00:27:37,907
With like 11 minutes and 52 seconds left
in the first quarter.
559
00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:42,036
'Cause a guy on our team got off of three.
560
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,120
Yeah.
561
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,915
I don't even know
if they made the damn three.
562
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:47,625
But he called a timeout right away.
563
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,126
[whistles]
Got on Danny Green.
564
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:50,878
What the fuck, Danny Green?
565
00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:52,880
Got on his ass, took him out,
566
00:27:52,963 --> 00:27:54,006
brought him back in.
567
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:56,634
But obviously they had something
in place and then they executed.
568
00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:57,718
Yeah.
569
00:27:58,344 --> 00:28:01,055
Um, two last things…
570
00:28:01,138 --> 00:28:03,516
Points I want to make on the playoff
or one last point,
571
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,519
and then I want to actually
get your perspective on something.
572
00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:10,564
I-I think what's different
about the playoffs,
573
00:28:10,648 --> 00:28:11,649
so…
574
00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:14,693
to your point about…
575
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:19,031
still winning a game, but maybe
an adjustment's made late in the game,
576
00:28:19,115 --> 00:28:22,076
and you say we won the game,
but they may have figured something out.
577
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,160
-Yeah.
-Right?
578
00:28:23,244 --> 00:28:24,578
I think what's different is…
579
00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:27,123
if you make that adjustment
580
00:28:27,206 --> 00:28:29,125
with six minutes to go
in the third quarter
581
00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:33,045
and you come back,
still lose the game,
582
00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:35,172
the next night,
you might be playing Memphis,
583
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:37,425
the next night, you might be playing
Oklahoma City,
584
00:28:37,508 --> 00:28:39,760
the next night,
you might be playing Portland.
585
00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:42,596
So you might have to wait two months.
586
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,931
Right.
587
00:28:44,014 --> 00:28:45,850
In the playoffs, you make an adjustment,
588
00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:48,727
you feel like you can exploit something,
it's the same damn team.
589
00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:51,480
-Same damn team.
-The next night or a day later.
590
00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:52,731
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
591
00:28:52,815 --> 00:28:56,819
And so that's where you see, like,
Dallas in '11.
592
00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:59,447
-You remember JJ Barea against the Lakers.
-Mm-hm.
593
00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:02,533
It's like, oh, they,
JJ and Dirk in pick-and-roll.
594
00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:04,827
-They can't stop that.
-Yeah.
595
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:07,121
We're just going to exploit that
over and over.
596
00:29:07,204 --> 00:29:10,791
Um, what's your perspective on luck
in the playoffs?
597
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,084
Needed.
598
00:29:13,961 --> 00:29:15,171
Give me an example.
599
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:19,842
The biggest example of, like, luck
in the post--
600
00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:21,635
In your, in your experience.
601
00:29:21,719 --> 00:29:23,179
Oh, in my experience?
602
00:29:25,931 --> 00:29:27,099
Uh…
603
00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,311
Trying to think of my championship runs.
604
00:29:32,313 --> 00:29:35,274
I mean, I was on the team.
That's the luck, right?
605
00:29:39,195 --> 00:29:41,822
I can't think off the top of my head,
but no, no, seriously.
606
00:29:41,906 --> 00:29:44,909
Like, you know, you could be a great team,
but you need a little luck.
607
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,161
You need the ball
to bounce your way sometimes.
608
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:51,457
You know, you need a, you know,
a certain player on the opposing team
609
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,835
get in foul trouble,
you know, it's just, I don't know…
610
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:56,295
I mean, off the top of my head,
611
00:29:56,378 --> 00:29:59,131
I started to think of like
what unfortunately,
612
00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:01,717
what happened with Kawhi
with the Zaza Pachulia thing.
613
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:05,513
-You know, the Spurs was--
-They were good.
614
00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:07,181
-They were fucking good.
-Yeah.
615
00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:10,309
And they were handling the shit out
of Golden State up until that point.
616
00:30:10,392 --> 00:30:11,644
I think they were maybe up…
617
00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:13,646
I can't, I don't know
off the top of my head.
618
00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:16,023
We can always look it up, obviously,
they were up 17,
619
00:30:16,106 --> 00:30:17,900
you know,
and they were very fucking good.
620
00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:21,237
And… you know,
you get Kawhi go down with the ankle
621
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,405
and it's like, oh, shit,
the whole thing changes.
622
00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:26,408
So, you know, like, I don't know
off the top of my head
623
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:29,537
as far as, you know, my experience, but…
624
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:33,040
Luck you want to say
is always, you need…
625
00:30:33,123 --> 00:30:35,626
Yes, you need it.
You need some luck for sure.
626
00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:36,710
You definitely do.
627
00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:39,797
I think it goes back
to where we kind of started this
628
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,344
with the one play
where a lucky bounce,
629
00:30:45,427 --> 00:30:52,226
an unlucky bounce, a call, uh,
a guy reacting to something, 2016.
630
00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:53,602
Yeah.
631
00:30:53,686 --> 00:30:55,479
[laughing]
632
00:30:55,563 --> 00:30:57,690
An injury, right? A play, a moment.
633
00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,067
-A play, a moment. Yeah, for sure.
-And it's not…
634
00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:02,570
-I think luck maybe is the wrong word.
-It's not though.
635
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:06,365
It's like an inflection point almost
of, like, someone gets hurt--
636
00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,325
-That can change the trajectory.
-Yes.
637
00:31:08,409 --> 00:31:11,954
The trajectory of what's to...
what's to come.
638
00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:13,831
I mean, do you look at it…
639
00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:15,249
What is it, '01?
640
00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,751
Lakers, Kings?
641
00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:22,298
I think that was game five or six maybe
and they get the tip out to Big Shot Bob.
642
00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,508
-[JJ] Yeah.
-Like…
643
00:31:24,592 --> 00:31:28,345
[JJ] I think Kobe-- Kobe missed
a floater over Doug Christie, I think.
644
00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:30,306
-And then Shaq just…
-Yeah, yeah.
645
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,640
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
646
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:34,143
-Vlade...
-Yeah, exactly, tipped it out…
647
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:36,729
[JJ] Yeah, right to Robert Horry.
648
00:31:36,812 --> 00:31:39,648
[LeBron] If you clean glass on that,
that's the game.
649
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:41,275
-[JJ] Yeah.
-And it's like…
650
00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:45,195
How many times a ball gets batted
651
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,781
right into one
of the biggest clutch players
652
00:31:47,865 --> 00:31:49,617
in the NBA history
at the top of the key
653
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,829
and he just-- at the end of the game,
bang, bang.
654
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,289
Yes, that's some luck.
655
00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:57,750
-There's some luck to that.
-There's some luck to that.
656
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:01,962
Complete transparency,
657
00:32:02,046 --> 00:32:05,466
we actually got up and sat back down
'cause we had to say this.
658
00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:09,720
-Game six, Ray Allen's three.
-Yeah, I don't…
659
00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:12,097
-[JJ] The sequence of events here…
-Yeah.
660
00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,766
-…that led up to that.
-Yep.
661
00:32:13,849 --> 00:32:16,644
[LeBron] I mean, the first thing
that comes to mind is that,
662
00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:18,937
you know, Pop had took Timmy D out.
663
00:32:19,021 --> 00:32:20,356
-Yeah.
-You know…
664
00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:21,982
And I think because, you know,
665
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:23,942
they probably looking
to switch everything
666
00:32:24,026 --> 00:32:25,778
'cause we needed threes,
we needed threes.
667
00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:28,072
So, everything was gonna
be on the perimeter.
668
00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:31,033
I had literally just
made one three before that.
669
00:32:31,116 --> 00:32:34,328
And we ran one of our plays
that we've been practicing all year
670
00:32:34,411 --> 00:32:36,580
where I would, you know,
come and set the pick…
671
00:32:36,664 --> 00:32:38,540
Like, we just kind of, like,
we drew up on a whiteboard.
672
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,542
I will flare over the top
and then come back.
673
00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:42,920
And, uh, I missed that one.
674
00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:46,340
And… who knows
if Timmy D is on the floor.
675
00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:49,134
Does he clean glass?
He's cleaned glass a lot in his career.
676
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:53,972
But Bosh is able to, you know,
get the rebound over Manu.
677
00:32:54,056 --> 00:32:56,392
Manu kind of falls down a little bit.
678
00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:58,727
He's kind of on the back,
he cleans glass and then…
679
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:02,981
Ray… backpedals.
680
00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:04,525
Doesn't even look at the line.
681
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:07,319
What if he steps on the line
backpedaling?
682
00:33:07,403 --> 00:33:10,447
-What if his toe is on the line?
-What if his toe is on the line?
683
00:33:11,907 --> 00:33:13,409
There's a lot of preparation.
684
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:15,494
'Cause I watch Ray do that
every day, prep like that,
685
00:33:15,577 --> 00:33:18,122
but I believe there's some luck
to that too.
686
00:33:18,205 --> 00:33:20,290
The thing I always think about that play,
687
00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:23,293
and this is going to sound weird
and it's going to make me look bad.
688
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,630
It will. But I will take it.
689
00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:32,636
Manu was such a fucking
psychotic competitor.
690
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:36,306
I think about him going for that rebound.
691
00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:40,185
If I was in that situation
and saw the ball bounce,
692
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:41,895
and this is not revisionist history.
693
00:33:41,979 --> 00:33:43,397
I'm just being honest with you.
694
00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:45,566
And I'm guarding Ray Allen.
695
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:47,776
I'm staying at home.
696
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:49,111
But Manu is Manu.
697
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:52,114
-He wants that rebound to close the game.
-He wanted to tip it out.
698
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:55,409
He wanted to close the game out,
win a championship.
699
00:33:55,492 --> 00:33:57,870
Like, I'm-- This is--
I'm not knocking what he did.
700
00:33:57,953 --> 00:33:59,788
No, no, for sure, yeah.
701
00:33:59,872 --> 00:34:02,666
And had he not fallen,
it wouldn't even have mattered.
702
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:04,877
-Right.
-But he's such a competitor.
703
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,505
He went for it and he fell,
and that was all that Ray needed.
704
00:34:08,589 --> 00:34:10,048
That's all he needed.
705
00:34:10,132 --> 00:34:11,216
-Wow.
-Yeah.
706
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,886
-Wow. Wow. Wow.
-I'm soft.
707
00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:15,846
Thanks, Manu.
708
00:34:18,265 --> 00:34:19,558
I get to sit behind the wine.
709
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,727
No, we're going to move it.
We're going to move it over here.
710
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:23,228
That's a big sacrifice.
711
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:35,741
Do you want to handle this?
712
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,578
I-I've never met this guy
a day in my life.
713
00:34:39,661 --> 00:34:42,039
I don't even… First guest on our show.
714
00:34:42,122 --> 00:34:44,124
-First guest.
-I don't even know who…
715
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:45,417
No, this is, uh…
716
00:34:46,543 --> 00:34:49,129
My guy, Coach Keith Dambrot, man.
717
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,508
My high school coach,
really taught me a lot
718
00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:57,095
about how to prep for the game,
how to play the game.
719
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:01,558
And, uh, shit, I wouldn't be here
in this seat right now
720
00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:03,227
where I am in my career without him.
721
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:05,604
That's for damn sure.
That's for damn sure.
722
00:35:05,687 --> 00:35:08,899
He will say that, he's going to say
the same thing about vice versa.
723
00:35:08,982 --> 00:35:13,445
No, but like, he literally, like,
taught me how to take the game serious.
724
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:16,073
Like, seriously, like,
every day at practice, how to prep.
725
00:35:16,156 --> 00:35:17,741
How to prepare…
726
00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:22,162
Like, you know, me and Maverick always
talk about, like, our games were so easy
727
00:35:22,246 --> 00:35:24,373
because we practice so fucking hard.
728
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:25,999
He was like, "This is going
to be the hardest thing
729
00:35:26,083 --> 00:35:27,334
y'all do on this practice court.
730
00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,461
We get in the games,
it's going to be easy."
731
00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:31,755
And as a player,
you don't really believe that shit.
732
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:33,131
When you're 14, 15 years old,
733
00:35:33,215 --> 00:35:35,551
you're like,
"I'm fucking dying out here, man."
734
00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,386
What are you talking about,
"The games are going to be easier"?
735
00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:39,805
Like, the competition he's got, all these…
736
00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:41,139
And he was absolutely right.
737
00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:43,016
So I learned how to…
738
00:35:44,977 --> 00:35:48,814
What I learned from him
is how to really prepare for the games
739
00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:51,525
before the games ever took place.
740
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,111
Who was LeBron like when you coached him?
741
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:55,696
[laughing]
742
00:35:55,779 --> 00:35:57,614
You had him freshman
and sophomore year?
743
00:35:57,698 --> 00:35:58,949
I had him as freshman, sophomore.
744
00:35:59,032 --> 00:36:01,994
I met him I think
when he was about 13 and a half, maybe.
745
00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:05,414
Um, he was one of the easiest guys
I've ever coached.
746
00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:08,959
And so I was a college coach
prior to coaching him.
747
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:12,254
Um, and once I saw him,
I called some of my friends,
748
00:36:12,337 --> 00:36:14,965
and I said, you know,
"I got a guy that I think is
749
00:36:15,048 --> 00:36:17,801
"one of the best I've seen,"
and they all kind of laughed at me.
750
00:36:17,885 --> 00:36:20,429
And they say, "Oh, you sound
like a high school coach now."
751
00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,599
You know how the high school coach
always hypes guys up sometimes.
752
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,935
But just easy guy, great teammate,
cared about, you know,
753
00:36:27,019 --> 00:36:31,690
playing as a team, uh,
loved his teammates, played hard.
754
00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:33,650
But the biggest thing
that jumps out at you
755
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,778
is just his innate ability
and his ability to learn.
756
00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:38,363
Interesting.
757
00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:40,824
You used the word "innate"
in the first episode.
758
00:36:40,908 --> 00:36:42,910
-Yeah.
-I thought you were full of shit.
759
00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:44,703
[laughing]
760
00:36:44,786 --> 00:36:46,663
Glad somebody co-signed it.
761
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:50,876
When you, when you teach basketball…
762
00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:52,836
You just, you just retired.
Congratulations.
763
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,130
Congrats. Absolutely.
Congrats on that. Hell of a career.
764
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,633
-You got a win in the tourney.
-Yes, sir.
765
00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,137
When you teach basketball,
is there a difference in approach
766
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:05,933
between teaching high school kids
or college kids?
767
00:37:06,016 --> 00:37:07,100
That's a great question.
768
00:37:07,184 --> 00:37:09,353
So, uh,
I had always been a college coach,
769
00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:10,938
so when I had that group,
770
00:37:11,021 --> 00:37:13,023
I treated them like college players
771
00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:15,484
and they actually had the brains
of above that.
772
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:17,653
And then once I knew
LeBron was going to be a pro
773
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,406
'cause I had had three NBA guys
before him,
774
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:25,494
then I started to treat him like
he had to guard Kobe in four years.
775
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:28,664
So that's really how I treated him.
I treated him like a pro.
776
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:29,748
That's interesting.
777
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,625
Did you feel that?
778
00:37:32,459 --> 00:37:33,961
Did you not know any different?
779
00:37:34,044 --> 00:37:36,838
No, no, no.
I didn't know no difference.
780
00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:40,300
I mean, I'm just going out there
and just like, I'm gonna just bust my ass.
781
00:37:40,384 --> 00:37:44,179
And this is a guy that's…
He's the, he's the head coach.
782
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,889
So whatever he says, let's do it.
783
00:37:45,973 --> 00:37:49,768
Like, and, like, we all came together,
like, me and my high school boys,
784
00:37:49,851 --> 00:37:53,021
you know, we all came to St. V
for a reason and we wanted to win.
785
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:54,773
We wanted to win a state championship.
786
00:37:54,856 --> 00:37:57,818
We wanted to win, you know,
Maverick was doing, you know,
787
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,320
recruiting before he was supposed
to be doing it and shit,
788
00:38:00,404 --> 00:38:03,573
recruiting me to St. V,
but, um, but yeah, I just wanted to win.
789
00:38:03,657 --> 00:38:07,911
So like, you know, it was times
when you would be pissed off at him
790
00:38:07,995 --> 00:38:10,205
'cause you're not used to it,
you're not used to,
791
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,749
you know, this type of, you know,
792
00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:14,793
this type of hard work
is something different.
793
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,879
You know, remember,
I was telling you in episode one how,
794
00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:19,840
how different it is
going from, you know,
795
00:38:19,923 --> 00:38:22,009
just from grade school to middle school.
796
00:38:22,092 --> 00:38:25,303
You know, the intimidation factor
of even just walking down the hallways.
797
00:38:25,387 --> 00:38:28,724
And then going from middle school
to high school is even more intimidating.
798
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,351
Now, you're like being around kids
with, like, beards
799
00:38:31,435 --> 00:38:33,186
and, like, people are driving to school.
800
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:35,480
I'm a freshman in high school.
I don't, like, drive.
801
00:38:35,564 --> 00:38:37,607
I ride my bike
or one of the coaches pick me up,
802
00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:38,817
whatever the case may be.
803
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,822
So, you know, it was
super duper different in a sense of…
804
00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,993
anything else I had been up to that point
while playing the game of basketball.
805
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:50,912
How long did you coach total
between high school and college?
806
00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:54,708
Well, I had a little sabbatical.
So, let me think about that.
807
00:38:54,791 --> 00:38:57,127
So, I was seven years at Duquesne,
808
00:38:57,210 --> 00:39:01,256
13 at, um, at Akron as a head coach,
809
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,216
and then three other years
as an assistant.
810
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,052
So, close to 35 years.
811
00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:08,597
How do you coach a player
812
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,809
that can't remember… after-timeout plays?
813
00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:14,478
Coming out of a timeout.
814
00:39:15,604 --> 00:39:20,817
Coming out of a timeout,
you drop a play and a player habitually…
815
00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,320
forgets what he's supposed to do.
816
00:39:23,403 --> 00:39:25,864
As a coach, how do you coach that player?
817
00:39:25,947 --> 00:39:28,283
That's funny 'cause we were just
talking about that last night.
818
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:30,118
I may have got some intel on that.
819
00:39:30,202 --> 00:39:32,704
So, really what you do
is you have an assistant coach
820
00:39:32,788 --> 00:39:35,123
that is assigned to that guy,
821
00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:37,542
and after you draw up the play,
822
00:39:37,626 --> 00:39:41,046
he draws it, redraws it up
and then tells them again about it
823
00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:43,423
because there's nothing
more frustrating as a coach
824
00:39:43,507 --> 00:39:46,384
and even as a player
than somebody butchering up plays
825
00:39:46,468 --> 00:39:48,095
when you draw it up for them.
826
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,430
I, uh… LeBron knows this.
827
00:39:50,514 --> 00:39:52,140
I coach my son's travel team.
828
00:39:52,224 --> 00:39:54,684
It's a fourth grade travel team,
nine- and ten-year-olds.
829
00:39:54,768 --> 00:40:00,816
And, uh, there's not, there's not a ton
of opportunities to call timeouts.
830
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:04,444
I'll draw up the first play. If we have
the ball at halftime, I'll draw it up.
831
00:40:04,528 --> 00:40:06,947
I think each team is allowed,
like, three timeouts.
832
00:40:07,572 --> 00:40:10,367
And, you know, if there's opportunities,
I'll draw it up
833
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:11,618
where we have the ball.
834
00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:15,705
'Cause a lot of times if we score
on another team, they call a timeout…
835
00:40:15,789 --> 00:40:16,790
You don't have time--
836
00:40:16,873 --> 00:40:19,876
…chaos is going to ensue
at the change of possession, right?
837
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,965
So it's just like, but it's interesting
because I have to deal with that, right?
838
00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:28,093
And the one thing
I've learned this season--
839
00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:29,594
this is my second year doing it--
840
00:40:29,678 --> 00:40:31,471
is I tell the kids,
841
00:40:31,555 --> 00:40:34,391
not every kid, but I tell the kids
that need to hear this,
842
00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:37,060
"Just watch
what you're supposed to do."
843
00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:40,438
-That's a good point.
-There's a lot of stuff happening.
844
00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:42,774
-Just watch what you're supposed to do.
-[Keith] That's a good point.
845
00:40:42,858 --> 00:40:43,942
It's really good.
846
00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:45,652
I think the hardest thing,
847
00:40:45,735 --> 00:40:48,113
and this is where I'm curious
for both of you,
848
00:40:48,196 --> 00:40:50,657
coaching it and having coaches do this.
849
00:40:51,408 --> 00:40:54,035
ATOs are such a very specific thing.
850
00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:58,832
And a big part
of running an ATO correctly is timing.
851
00:40:59,583 --> 00:41:01,459
And so practicing ATOs, like,
852
00:41:01,543 --> 00:41:03,336
did you practice your ATOs?
853
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:05,839
Did you have a list of certain plays
that were ATOs,
854
00:41:05,922 --> 00:41:08,675
that were outside
of your normal sets or concepts?
855
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,012
And have you had coaches
that actually practiced ATOs?
856
00:41:12,095 --> 00:41:14,723
So I know a lot of coaches do that,
857
00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:18,685
but I kinda, I'm kind of a coach
that plays off the feel of the game.
858
00:41:18,768 --> 00:41:21,104
So I'll usually run one of the sets
859
00:41:21,188 --> 00:41:24,065
that I think's going to go
at that particular time.
860
00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:27,944
That way you're not as limited
as to what you can run at a certain time.
861
00:41:28,028 --> 00:41:30,030
But obviously
we've practiced all of those.
862
00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:31,948
And we probably spent more time this year,
863
00:41:32,032 --> 00:41:36,203
for instance, just on 5-on-0,
just making sure our guys knew
864
00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:37,662
every little aspect of it.
865
00:41:37,746 --> 00:41:38,955
And you make a great point.
866
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,334
You can run a great set, but if you don't
execute the screen or the cut
867
00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:46,129
or understand how to bump a screen
or go tight off of a screen,
868
00:41:46,213 --> 00:41:47,839
none of it really matters.
869
00:41:47,923 --> 00:41:50,258
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I think what you were saying, J,
870
00:41:51,551 --> 00:41:52,677
I think there's a…
871
00:41:53,637 --> 00:41:59,893
practicing some ATOs is, uh,
is very beneficial to certain teams.
872
00:41:59,976 --> 00:42:01,770
But also as a player,
873
00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:03,813
sometimes when a coach comes
to the timeout
874
00:42:03,897 --> 00:42:06,149
and draws something
that you haven't seen before,
875
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:10,570
you kind of get like, "Oh, shit,
I ain't seen this one before."
876
00:42:10,654 --> 00:42:12,781
Like, I'm going
to execute this one to a tee
877
00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:15,450
because if it works now,
we might can bring this back again.
878
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,994
I wanna, you know, as a player,
you feel good about that.
879
00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:20,914
Like, "Oh, I didn't know you had that one
in your bag, Coach."
880
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:23,208
Yeah, you have certain things that…
881
00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,128
You know, you have a fourth quarter
package, you know, you have an ATO,
882
00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:29,214
you have, you know, SOBs, BOBs
883
00:42:29,297 --> 00:42:32,467
that you don't, you know, want to run
throughout the course of the game.
884
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,428
'Cause if it's a close game,
you want to try to catch the defense,
885
00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:38,765
you know, sleep in or catch them off guard
or whatever the case may be, but…
886
00:42:39,391 --> 00:42:42,018
in the conversation that we're having
887
00:42:42,102 --> 00:42:44,896
throughout the course of a game,
you want to kind of have things
888
00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:47,315
that's in place
that you've kind of practiced
889
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:50,402
just so guys have some type
of mental, you know, knowledge
890
00:42:50,485 --> 00:42:52,696
of, "Okay, this is what
we worked on yesterday,"
891
00:42:52,779 --> 00:42:55,407
or "This is what we worked on
in shoot-around."
892
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:58,326
But it doesn't always happen like that
'cause coaches and players,
893
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:00,829
like, we want to,
you want to do shit that,
894
00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:02,747
you want to be able to make
in-game adjustments
895
00:43:02,831 --> 00:43:06,418
that maybe you didn't have an opportunity
to prepare for that earlier that morning,
896
00:43:06,501 --> 00:43:09,921
or maybe it is a back-to-back and you
didn't really have shoot-around.
897
00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:12,048
You didn't have an opportunity
to, you know,
898
00:43:12,132 --> 00:43:15,260
really put in, you know, all the stuff
that you may have wanted to put in
899
00:43:15,343 --> 00:43:16,511
if you had a practice day.
900
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,305
So, I think it's all situational.
901
00:43:18,847 --> 00:43:21,808
Yeah, the reason
I bring up the timing thing
902
00:43:21,891 --> 00:43:25,395
is 'cause there are certain parts
of after-timeout plays
903
00:43:25,478 --> 00:43:27,897
-when you cut, when you set the screen.
-Absolutely.
904
00:43:27,981 --> 00:43:30,859
Like, a big part of ATOs is misdirection.
905
00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,110
-[LeBron] Yeah, for sure.
-Right?
906
00:43:32,193 --> 00:43:35,947
And so, when that misdirection
is occurring, that's important.
907
00:43:36,031 --> 00:43:37,115
Yeah, for sure.
908
00:43:37,198 --> 00:43:40,535
The other reason I ask
is because, uh, you know,
909
00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:44,080
Doc was great with this,
and Brett Brown was great with this,
910
00:43:44,164 --> 00:43:46,791
is end-of-game need plays.
911
00:43:46,875 --> 00:43:49,127
-Yeah.
-[JJ] So, we had need-two plays.
912
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,129
-Need two, need three.
-[JJ] Need-three plays.
913
00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:52,464
And we would have a package.
914
00:43:52,547 --> 00:43:55,300
And by the way, that package would change
throughout the season.
915
00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:58,053
So, if we ran a play a couple times
in a need-three situation…
916
00:43:58,136 --> 00:43:59,512
And it didn't work or whatever.
917
00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:02,766
Yeah, or even if it did, we would have to,
we'd have to disguise it.
918
00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:05,727
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-And then we'd have to practice that.
919
00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:08,480
And you mentioned something
really good, I think.
920
00:44:08,563 --> 00:44:11,316
You know, obviously, we can't
advance the ball in college.
921
00:44:11,399 --> 00:44:15,362
So, I do think some of your side outs
can be plays
922
00:44:15,445 --> 00:44:18,573
that you run from the, from a normal set.
923
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:21,034
So, the guys can actually do
the same thing.
924
00:44:21,117 --> 00:44:24,287
And then the ability to save plays
for late in the game, too.
925
00:44:24,371 --> 00:44:26,790
Like, I always try
to save three or four
926
00:44:26,873 --> 00:44:29,834
that I like to run late
that I haven't run the whole game,
927
00:44:29,918 --> 00:44:33,254
or like you said, maybe put them
in a closet for two or three weeks
928
00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:35,465
and then bring them back
two or three weeks later.
929
00:44:35,548 --> 00:44:37,175
I like to do that as well.
930
00:44:37,926 --> 00:44:41,096
Based on the guys that you have coached
throughout your career,
931
00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:45,767
what are the skills that translate
and transfer
932
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:47,977
from high school to college,
college to the NBA?
933
00:44:49,646 --> 00:44:52,524
Well, I think, you know,
there's a lot of guys that have talent,
934
00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:55,235
but there's a lot of guys
that don't have a good enough brain
935
00:44:55,318 --> 00:44:56,611
to play in the NBA.
936
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:58,530
You know, you have to understand the game.
937
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:01,491
You have to understand, you know,
what it takes to make the league.
938
00:45:01,574 --> 00:45:05,954
For instance, we had the Thomas twins
who, uh, LeBron knows
939
00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:08,331
that played for us at Eastern Michigan.
940
00:45:08,415 --> 00:45:12,419
Uh, one of nine twins
that played in the NBA, free agent guys.
941
00:45:12,502 --> 00:45:16,172
Charles never averaged more
than 11 points a game at college.
942
00:45:16,256 --> 00:45:19,050
But he had a skill set good enough
to be able to play defense,
943
00:45:19,134 --> 00:45:20,635
be able to handle the ball enough,
944
00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:23,972
and shoot the three ball enough
to play in the league.
945
00:45:24,055 --> 00:45:27,183
And I think a lot of guys think
they have to score to play in the league.
946
00:45:27,267 --> 00:45:29,644
But you have to be able
to guard to play in the league.
947
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:32,147
You have to be able to play a role.
You have to be a good role player.
948
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,315
'Cause there's not many guys like LeBron.
949
00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:35,650
Most of the guys in the NBA,
950
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,820
and you guys know way more than me,
are role players.
951
00:45:38,903 --> 00:45:40,905
So you have to be really good
at something.
952
00:45:40,989 --> 00:45:43,032
-Thanks.
-[laughs]
953
00:45:43,116 --> 00:45:45,243
I think you were a little more
than a role player.
954
00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:47,203
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
955
00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:49,372
You got a clip
that I sent your ass the other day.
956
00:45:49,456 --> 00:45:50,790
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
957
00:45:50,874 --> 00:45:53,710
I actually, I would argue
everybody's a role player.
958
00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:54,836
That's true.
959
00:45:54,919 --> 00:45:57,130
His role is just to be the guy, right?
960
00:45:57,213 --> 00:45:58,590
Luka's role is to be the guy.
961
00:45:58,673 --> 00:45:59,966
That's his role.
962
00:46:00,049 --> 00:46:02,594
The connota--
963
00:46:02,677 --> 00:46:05,430
There's a difference between
definition and connotation, right?
964
00:46:05,513 --> 00:46:07,599
The connotation of a role player,
965
00:46:08,391 --> 00:46:11,352
most 19- and 20-year-olds don't want
to hear that.
966
00:46:11,436 --> 00:46:13,730
"I'm going to be a role player
in the league?" Right?
967
00:46:13,813 --> 00:46:15,732
And that, to me, is a struggle.
968
00:46:16,441 --> 00:46:18,401
And it's interesting
you bring up the brain,
969
00:46:18,485 --> 00:46:21,613
'cause I think part of the brain
and part of...
970
00:46:23,031 --> 00:46:24,824
curious to get your thoughts on this too,
971
00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:27,410
part of lasting in the NBA,
972
00:46:28,745 --> 00:46:30,705
skill set, talent,
973
00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:33,166
size, strength, all that stuff,
super important.
974
00:46:33,249 --> 00:46:35,251
Basketball intelligence, super important.
975
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,712
What about emotional intelligence?
976
00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:41,591
What about being able
to be a part of a group,
977
00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:46,179
be a part of a team,
navigate locker room situations,
978
00:46:46,846 --> 00:46:49,265
navigate relationships with coaches,
979
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:51,309
navigate relationships
in the training room?
980
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:58,858
I think to some degree…
that's maybe not equally as important,
981
00:46:58,942 --> 00:47:00,902
'cause you need all the stuff beforehand,
982
00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:04,614
but to last in the NBA,
you have to have a level of that.
983
00:47:04,697 --> 00:47:07,158
I mean, it goes back
to the saying that I told you
984
00:47:07,242 --> 00:47:10,370
about one of my good friends,
Jimmy Iovine,
985
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:15,083
always talks about,
when the shit gets bigger than the cat,
986
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:16,543
you get rid of the fucking cat.
987
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:20,630
And what he's saying,
basically in basketball terms,
988
00:47:20,713 --> 00:47:25,385
is a lot of players, when they're
at their peak of performance…
989
00:47:26,928 --> 00:47:30,557
but on the, on the side
that you're talking about,
990
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,142
they don't,
they haven't respected authority,
991
00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:36,437
they haven't come in and just wanted
to be a part of the group.
992
00:47:36,521 --> 00:47:38,565
You know,
but they was averaging 25, 30,
993
00:47:38,648 --> 00:47:40,942
or whatever the case may be,
and they were the shit.
994
00:47:42,485 --> 00:47:44,112
When that stuff starts to dwindle…
995
00:47:45,405 --> 00:47:49,367
and the shit is not as good
as the individual anymore,
996
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:51,160
they get rid of the cat.
997
00:47:51,244 --> 00:47:54,539
And we see it in our sport,
you see it in sports in general.
998
00:47:55,164 --> 00:47:59,002
You know, you have to play the game
to play the game as well.
999
00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:01,379
And at the end of the day,
1000
00:48:01,462 --> 00:48:05,216
being a good person shouldn't
have to just be dedicated to just sports.
1001
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:07,260
-That's fucking life.
-Yeah.
1002
00:48:07,343 --> 00:48:08,803
Just being a good fucking person.
1003
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:11,180
Hey, how you doing? Good morning.
1004
00:48:11,264 --> 00:48:12,849
Okay. Am I having a bad day?
1005
00:48:12,932 --> 00:48:15,059
Okay, I might be having a bad day.
Alright.
1006
00:48:15,143 --> 00:48:18,187
Yo, you alright?
Like, shit like just normal shit.
1007
00:48:18,938 --> 00:48:22,150
Like, if I'm walking to a door
and a woman is beside me,
1008
00:48:22,233 --> 00:48:24,110
no matter if she's a stranger or not,
1009
00:48:24,193 --> 00:48:28,072
she's an older woman or a younger,
like, hold the fucking door open for her.
1010
00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:31,451
Why? I don't understand.
Why is that such a like…
1011
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:33,703
That should be easy.
1012
00:48:34,454 --> 00:48:38,291
-That should be easy. But it's not.
-Not everybody does it.
1013
00:48:38,374 --> 00:48:41,461
I had, I had, I had vets my rookie year
1014
00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,255
that were like, "Dude,
you're coming into the practice facility."
1015
00:48:44,339 --> 00:48:47,216
When you walk in a room,
say hi to everybody.
1016
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,677
Acknowledge people. Right?
1017
00:48:49,761 --> 00:48:52,680
I was in my shit. I wasn't playing.
You know, I was upset.
1018
00:48:52,764 --> 00:48:54,932
You have to take that
into account as well.
1019
00:48:55,016 --> 00:48:57,393
-But at the end of the day--
-I was 22. I was young.
1020
00:48:57,477 --> 00:48:59,812
-But like--
-I think that helps you.
1021
00:48:59,896 --> 00:49:04,359
You last longer in a department
that you want to be a part of
1022
00:49:04,442 --> 00:49:06,486
because you just play the game
a little bit…
1023
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,364
-And no one's telling you to be fake.
-No, no, no. It's not that.
1024
00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:11,824
It's not being fake.
It's just being, just being human.
1025
00:49:11,908 --> 00:49:15,078
Be a fucking human being.
No matter what else. Whatever you do.
1026
00:49:15,161 --> 00:49:17,121
It's a fine line
between being in the league
1027
00:49:17,205 --> 00:49:19,082
and not being in the league, right?
1028
00:49:19,165 --> 00:49:22,502
So when you go 12 to 15
or whatever, right,
1029
00:49:22,585 --> 00:49:24,754
the coach doesn't really
want to be around somebody
1030
00:49:24,837 --> 00:49:26,714
that's not a good person.
1031
00:49:26,798 --> 00:49:30,176
'Cause there's somebody probably just
as good as you or close to as good as you
1032
00:49:30,259 --> 00:49:32,929
that you can play with that probably
aren't going to play anyway, right,
1033
00:49:33,012 --> 00:49:34,013
at that point.
1034
00:49:34,097 --> 00:49:36,724
There's a lot of guys I know
that I'm friends with
1035
00:49:36,808 --> 00:49:38,893
that had nine- or ten-year careers
1036
00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:42,063
that never played more
than ten, eleven minutes in a game,
1037
00:49:42,146 --> 00:49:46,109
never were really an 82-game
regular rotation player.
1038
00:49:46,192 --> 00:49:48,611
-But they were great fucking dudes.
-Yep.
1039
00:49:48,695 --> 00:49:51,322
And they lasted nine or ten years
and maximized their career.
1040
00:49:51,406 --> 00:49:53,074
Because of this very thing
we're talking about.
1041
00:49:53,157 --> 00:49:55,410
And if you get that tenth year,
you get that pension.
1042
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:57,537
You get that pension.
You get that health care.
1043
00:49:57,620 --> 00:50:00,289
-You get that health care. You get that.
-Lifetime.
1044
00:50:01,124 --> 00:50:06,295
The influence of the game in the NBA,
1045
00:50:07,213 --> 00:50:10,425
European basketball, on the college game.
1046
00:50:12,552 --> 00:50:14,303
We maybe had talked about this
1047
00:50:14,387 --> 00:50:17,807
and we haven't really, like,
dove into this.
1048
00:50:18,725 --> 00:50:21,769
It feels like at times
when I watch college,
1049
00:50:21,853 --> 00:50:26,023
there's a big difference
between coaches
1050
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:30,611
who have embraced what I would call
modern basketball concepts
1051
00:50:31,195 --> 00:50:35,700
versus what I would call
antiquated basketball concepts.
1052
00:50:36,868 --> 00:50:42,540
Where is college basketball right now
with… being influenced
1053
00:50:42,623 --> 00:50:48,254
by either the NBA or Euro League
or, you know, World FIBA competitions
1054
00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:50,173
just in terms of X-and-O strategy?
1055
00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:52,467
So clearly in my mind,
1056
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:56,512
uh, the NBA has been influenced
by the European basketball.
1057
00:50:56,596 --> 00:51:00,516
And I feel like college basketball
is two to three years behind the NBA.
1058
00:51:01,142 --> 00:51:03,102
And the reason I say that is,
for instance,
1059
00:51:03,186 --> 00:51:05,688
when people started
icing the ball screens,
1060
00:51:05,772 --> 00:51:09,275
that took two years
before it hit college basketball.
1061
00:51:09,358 --> 00:51:13,613
And then everybody, to offset the ice,
they started going to the elbow handoffs.
1062
00:51:13,696 --> 00:51:15,198
Right, the dribble handoffs.
1063
00:51:15,281 --> 00:51:18,242
And that took another two years
before it hit college basketball.
1064
00:51:18,326 --> 00:51:22,747
So, the last thing probably
that occurs is the isos
1065
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:24,916
and finding the elephant
in the room, I call it.
1066
00:51:24,999 --> 00:51:27,376
-You know, the guy that can't really--
-Target hunting.
1067
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:29,545
Yeah, like LeBron was talking about,
pointing it.
1068
00:51:29,629 --> 00:51:30,671
"We're going at him."
1069
00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:32,340
That's probably the last thing and…
1070
00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:35,301
The one thing that's different
is there's not as many great players
1071
00:51:35,384 --> 00:51:37,887
in college basketball
as there is in the NBA.
1072
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:40,556
So it's never going
to look exactly the same.
1073
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,185
But I think the NBA has clearly
been ahead of college basketball
1074
00:51:44,268 --> 00:51:47,480
and will remain to be the driving force
of college basketball.
1075
00:51:47,563 --> 00:51:49,982
It takes,
it takes coaches a long time to adjust.
1076
00:51:50,066 --> 00:51:54,278
Like, probably when you played some,
there was still some motion offense.
1077
00:51:54,362 --> 00:51:56,405
Right, you don't see hardly any
of that anymore.
1078
00:51:56,489 --> 00:51:58,991
Like, we used to cover, like,
down screens,
1079
00:51:59,075 --> 00:52:00,993
back screens, low crosses.
1080
00:52:01,077 --> 00:52:05,581
Now what we do is we cover ball screens
and dribble handoffs.
1081
00:52:05,665 --> 00:52:08,334
And split screens, you know,
like you were talking about.
1082
00:52:08,417 --> 00:52:10,461
That's all we cover.
1083
00:52:10,545 --> 00:52:13,589
NC State was the only team
in my four years in college,
1084
00:52:13,673 --> 00:52:17,051
and that was later on after
Herb Sendek had left, I believe,
1085
00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:18,719
that iced a pick-and-roll,
1086
00:52:19,387 --> 00:52:23,432
Boston College still ran flex
when they joined the ACC.
1087
00:52:23,516 --> 00:52:25,184
-Your boy Duds.
-My boy Duds?
1088
00:52:25,268 --> 00:52:26,269
Your boy Duds.
1089
00:52:26,352 --> 00:52:29,313
-They literally just ran the flex offense.
-Al Skinner, right?
1090
00:52:29,397 --> 00:52:30,731
And that's all they ran.
1091
00:52:30,815 --> 00:52:34,235
So, yeah, I get the difference between...
1092
00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:38,406
or the, I should say,
being behind on things.
1093
00:52:38,489 --> 00:52:44,495
The one thing I have noticed particularly
this spring in March Madness is…
1094
00:52:45,705 --> 00:52:48,958
there are some really good coaches
1095
00:52:49,792 --> 00:52:54,672
that are being creative
with non-shooting players,
1096
00:52:54,755 --> 00:52:56,257
non-spacing players.
1097
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:58,926
So the difference, of course,
between the NBA
1098
00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:01,470
and FIBA and college is
that you can be in the paint.
1099
00:53:01,554 --> 00:53:02,555
Right?
1100
00:53:02,638 --> 00:53:05,349
And there are certain players,
not every, it's not like the NBA.
1101
00:53:05,433 --> 00:53:06,851
The NBA is the best of the best.
1102
00:53:06,934 --> 00:53:09,145
Great college team might
have two or three NBA guys.
1103
00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:11,981
Of those two or three guys,
maybe one guy has a ten-year career.
1104
00:53:12,064 --> 00:53:13,357
That's just the reality.
1105
00:53:13,441 --> 00:53:17,069
So there's going to be players
on the floor that you don't have to guard.
1106
00:53:17,153 --> 00:53:18,195
And…
1107
00:53:19,363 --> 00:53:21,365
UConn does this with Danny Hurley.
1108
00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:24,452
Um, I saw the Baylor women's team do this
1109
00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:27,163
at the end of a game
on a need-three situation,
1110
00:53:27,246 --> 00:53:30,583
is you use the non-shooter in the corner,
1111
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:37,882
you put the shooter either on the block
or on the same side wing.
1112
00:53:38,758 --> 00:53:41,928
-Skip pass, either uphill DHO.
-Uphill DHO.
1113
00:53:42,011 --> 00:53:44,388
Or a DHO to the person on the block.
1114
00:53:44,472 --> 00:53:47,350
Baylor used it to get a game-tying three
to send it into overtime.
1115
00:53:47,433 --> 00:53:49,518
Yeah, because then his man can't
really help on those.
1116
00:53:49,602 --> 00:53:51,312
-Because he's so far away from him.
-So far away.
1117
00:53:51,395 --> 00:53:53,272
You have to…
I think that's one thing.
1118
00:53:53,356 --> 00:53:56,651
And I think the other thing is
using your shooters as screeners more.
1119
00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,945
You know, both on the ball
and off the ball.
1120
00:53:59,028 --> 00:54:01,656
Back screen, you know, into a down screen.
1121
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,116
Or back screen into a ball screen.
1122
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,744
Just trying to get your shooter involved.
1123
00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:09,538
But your idea is a really good one
because they're always late.
1124
00:54:09,622 --> 00:54:11,666
You were talking about being late to the,
1125
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:13,793
to the handoff
and the ball screen overreaction.
1126
00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:15,419
That's a good point.
1127
00:54:15,503 --> 00:54:18,839
When UConn runs that play
with, uh, with their big guy,
1128
00:54:18,923 --> 00:54:20,383
there's constant overreaction.
1129
00:54:20,466 --> 00:54:22,635
-They get slips, they get threes.
-Yeah, for sure.
1130
00:54:22,718 --> 00:54:24,095
I mean, you saw it last year.
1131
00:54:24,178 --> 00:54:26,013
Obviously
they're doing it again this year.
1132
00:54:26,097 --> 00:54:29,183
But Jordan Hawkins got so much action
last year over that
1133
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:31,644
because they had a non-shooting big
out there.
1134
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:35,189
Obviously, Jordan Hawkins
is being body to body,
1135
00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:37,984
but X4, X5 that's guarding
the non-shooter,
1136
00:54:38,067 --> 00:54:40,820
-he can't get back up the floor.
-I just want to draw one play.
1137
00:54:40,903 --> 00:54:42,571
I just want to draw one play.
1138
00:54:42,655 --> 00:54:44,657
They're not used
to being out there either.
1139
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:46,367
-I got to draw one.
-It's like a fish out of the water.
1140
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:47,868
I'm like a…
1141
00:54:47,952 --> 00:54:50,579
Especially in college
where these, these…
1142
00:54:50,663 --> 00:54:53,916
People guarding non-shooters
are literally just standing there.
1143
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,044
I hate to bring it up,
but Illinois went 55 real minutes
1144
00:54:57,128 --> 00:54:59,797
without scoring a point versus UConn.
1145
00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,592
UVA had 14 in the first half.
1146
00:55:03,676 --> 00:55:06,303
It went like, I don't know,
close to an hour.
1147
00:55:06,387 --> 00:55:08,681
Forty-three minutes
without scoring an actual point.
1148
00:55:08,764 --> 00:55:10,182
It was insane.
1149
00:55:10,266 --> 00:55:12,727
-Cheers, Coach.
-Cheers. Cheers.
1150
00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:13,853
Good seeing you.
1151
00:55:13,936 --> 00:55:17,023
So, like, if a team is
top-locking a shooter over here,
1152
00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:18,566
let's say this is fluff.
1153
00:55:18,649 --> 00:55:19,817
-Yep.
-This is fluff.
1154
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:21,736
This is like the four-man going to screen.
1155
00:55:21,819 --> 00:55:24,488
You've got your five over here.
This guy's pulled all the way.
1156
00:55:24,572 --> 00:55:27,074
This is where the ball is.
This is what I'm talking about.
1157
00:55:27,158 --> 00:55:30,286
You set this up with the away screen.
1158
00:55:30,369 --> 00:55:32,872
-This defender jumps into a top-lock.
-Yep.
1159
00:55:32,955 --> 00:55:34,623
This guy is just sitting in the paint.
1160
00:55:34,707 --> 00:55:36,584
-You skip-pass it to the corner.
-Yep.
1161
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,503
Here's the uphill DHL.
Now this guy's going to be late.
1162
00:55:39,587 --> 00:55:42,798
This guy's out of position
'cause he thinks this is coming.
1163
00:55:42,882 --> 00:55:46,385
That's… There are ways
to get around the spacing issues.
1164
00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:48,596
And, like, and the same thing
he was saying.
1165
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,806
If I'm being top-locked, right…
1166
00:55:52,266 --> 00:55:54,518
and the big comes set the pick-and-roll,
1167
00:55:54,602 --> 00:55:57,605
or sets up the wide pin,
if I'm the guy that's being top-locked,
1168
00:55:57,688 --> 00:56:01,150
I'm the shooter,
I can go underneath, snake it,
1169
00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:03,402
and set the ball screen
on the ball handler.
1170
00:56:03,486 --> 00:56:05,154
Now my guy's top-locked.
1171
00:56:05,237 --> 00:56:06,906
He can't switch. He can't help.
1172
00:56:06,989 --> 00:56:09,325
-Now the ball handler comes off naked.
-[Keith] Yeah.
1173
00:56:09,408 --> 00:56:11,702
Because my guy's only worried
about me coming off to get a shot.
1174
00:56:11,786 --> 00:56:13,496
I used to do that with Joel.
1175
00:56:13,579 --> 00:56:15,414
-Remember our elbow too, actually?
-Yeah, absolutely.
1176
00:56:15,498 --> 00:56:17,208
Left elbow. I'm in left corner.
1177
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,836
And a lot of teams would top-lock it.
1178
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,632
And I would literally just
walk my guy up into Joel's man.
1179
00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:26,967
-You screen two guys at once.
-Joel would spin and he'd get a layup.
1180
00:56:27,051 --> 00:56:28,594
Yeah, you screen two guys at once.
1181
00:56:28,677 --> 00:56:29,804
That's great stuff.
1182
00:56:29,887 --> 00:56:32,890
Uh, Coach, before we let you go,
and thanks for being our first guest.
1183
00:56:32,973 --> 00:56:34,183
Thanks for having me.
1184
00:56:35,226 --> 00:56:36,769
I got a question for you.
1185
00:56:36,852 --> 00:56:38,104
And I'll ask LeBron this
1186
00:56:38,187 --> 00:56:40,481
in two or seven years,
we're not really sure.
1187
00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:45,611
What are you going to miss the most
about the game of basketball
1188
00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:47,446
and about being around it every day?
1189
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:50,407
I just think
the effect you have on people.
1190
00:56:50,491 --> 00:56:51,492
You know, um…
1191
00:56:52,326 --> 00:56:54,954
I think one of the things
that I always tried to teach LeBron
1192
00:56:55,037 --> 00:56:56,872
was you're going
to hit some rough moments,
1193
00:56:56,956 --> 00:56:58,290
but you got to battle through.
1194
00:56:58,374 --> 00:57:01,877
I think that's the biggest thing
is these young people need advice
1195
00:57:01,961 --> 00:57:03,921
as to how to handle adversity.
1196
00:57:04,004 --> 00:57:07,341
Because what happens a lot of times is
they get bailed out of adversity now.
1197
00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,636
Nobody really teaches them
what to do when they hit it.
1198
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,304
Because we've all been there, right?
1199
00:57:12,388 --> 00:57:14,557
We've all, we've all been
in some tough situations.
1200
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,434
Just when you think things
are going great, something happens.
1201
00:57:17,518 --> 00:57:19,603
And if you don't know how
to handle it, it's really difficult.
1202
00:57:19,687 --> 00:57:21,021
Yeah, that's great.
1203
00:57:21,105 --> 00:57:22,481
All right, cheers, guys.
1204
00:57:22,565 --> 00:57:23,983
-Cheers.
-Coach, appreciate it.
1205
00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:25,276
Thank you.
1206
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:26,777
-Appreciate you.
-Cheers.
1207
00:57:26,861 --> 00:57:27,945
[JJ] We're good.
1208
00:57:29,697 --> 00:57:31,532
-[LeBron] He's high.
-[Keith] Because he's so high.
1209
00:57:31,615 --> 00:57:33,242
[JJ] Single-sided. Single-sided high.
1210
00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:34,451
He's so high.
1211
00:57:34,535 --> 00:57:36,078
[LeBron] And you put the one here.
1212
00:57:36,162 --> 00:57:39,665
Because if the one or the two decides
to help on a lob, they're too small.
1213
00:57:43,169 --> 00:57:44,879
[JJ] Hey, guys. Thanks for listening.
1214
00:57:44,962 --> 00:57:47,047
Thanks for watching Mind the Game podcast.
1215
00:57:47,131 --> 00:57:49,258
If you like it,
please hit that subscribe button.
1216
00:57:49,341 --> 00:57:50,467
Thank you.
1217
00:57:50,551 --> 00:57:52,553
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