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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:15,415 --> 00:00:21,488  [punching speed                 bag rhythmically]                4 00:00:21,621 --> 00:00:23,556  [silence falls]                 5 00:00:26,192 --> 00:00:27,060   Yeah.                          6 00:00:28,828 --> 00:00:30,430    The highlight of my career?   7 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:32,966 Being born in the world.         8 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:37,570 ["Back Burner" by                   Stuart Moore plays]           9 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:40,507   [♪♪♪]                          10 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:44,511 Joe Frazier made                 aggressive fighting an art form. 11 00:00:45,478 --> 00:00:48,381    When Frazier throws             punches, he wants to kill you. 12 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:49,916   [♪♪♪]                          13 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:51,885    [Dr. Todd Boyd] He               grew up in South Carolina.    14 00:00:51,985 --> 00:00:52,852    They didn't have any money,   15 00:00:53,019 --> 00:00:54,421  they weren't educated,          16 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:57,590   but he was especially             well-spoken with his hands.   17 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,459 [Burt Watson] He was relentless. 18 00:00:59,592 --> 00:01:00,727    There was a lot of punches,   19 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,095    he'd take one to give two,    20 00:01:02,228 --> 00:01:04,764  but you had to                   get inside to give one.         21 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:08,601 Joe was a very proud man.        22 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:10,003  He never kissed anybody's ass.  23 00:01:10,103 --> 00:01:12,172 He didn't want to                 be a political symbol.          24 00:01:12,305 --> 00:01:14,541   [Joe] I speak from my           heart. You know I mean?         25 00:01:14,641 --> 00:01:16,509   The way I see                     things and the way I feel.    26 00:01:16,609 --> 00:01:21,414  Joe loved cars,                    fighting, women, and music.   27 00:01:21,548 --> 00:01:24,184 Music, to                          Joe Frazier, was his sanity.   28 00:01:24,317 --> 00:01:26,986    That's what you saw           when you saw Joe perform.        29 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:28,655  Joe Frazier was a warrior, man. 30 00:01:28,822 --> 00:01:32,225   Without Joe Frazier,           there wouldn't have been no Ali. 31 00:01:32,358 --> 00:01:34,994  I'm the champ.                   You ain't! You nothing!         32 00:01:35,128 --> 00:01:36,329   That kind of rivalry,          33 00:01:36,463 --> 00:01:37,931  we'll never see                    something like that again.    34 00:01:38,064 --> 00:01:39,899   Three of the                      biggest fights in history.    35 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:41,034   it's no coincidence.           36 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:43,870   [♪♪♪]                          37 00:01:44,003 --> 00:01:45,371  There was another side to Joe.  38 00:01:45,538 --> 00:01:47,574   He had a big                      heart. Do anything for you.   39 00:01:47,674 --> 00:01:48,842  If a car's broken down,         40 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:50,610    Joe Frazier                     will stop every time.          41 00:01:50,743 --> 00:01:52,045   It's just in his DNA to help.  42 00:01:52,145 --> 00:01:53,880   White America                     always thought Joe Frazier    43 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:55,682 was this                         blue-collar working man,         44 00:01:55,849 --> 00:01:57,517  but man, he was                 the king of swag.                45 00:01:57,784 --> 00:01:59,719   [Watson] No one ever              did get Joe Frazier right.    46 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:01,955  No one ever got                   the real Joe Frazier.          47 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,824   [♪♪♪]                          48 00:02:09,996 --> 00:02:13,199  [traffic noise]                 49 00:02:27,614 --> 00:02:29,349 How we doing there, guys?        50 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:30,483   Uh, rolling.                   51 00:02:40,593 --> 00:02:42,562   [♪♪♪]                          52 00:02:42,729 --> 00:02:46,332  [cheering and shouting]         53 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,402   Ali-Frazier,                   54 00:02:49,536 --> 00:02:53,273 the Fight of the                 Century, March 8th, 1971,        55 00:02:53,406 --> 00:02:55,608  transcended the sport of boxing 56 00:02:55,708 --> 00:02:57,710    and entered into this realm   57 00:02:57,844 --> 00:03:00,446 of America at the highest order. 58 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:04,517   Everybody was                   talking about Ali and Frazier.  59 00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:07,120   It was the beginning            of the mega-fight era.          60 00:03:07,253 --> 00:03:09,589  Frazier-Ali! It was polarizing. 61 00:03:09,722 --> 00:03:11,157    He's the Uncle Tom.           62 00:03:11,291 --> 00:03:13,226    The guy talked from            the side of his mouth.          63 00:03:13,359 --> 00:03:14,727 It was the bull and the matador. 64 00:03:14,894 --> 00:03:16,563    He's the other-type Negro!    65 00:03:16,729 --> 00:03:17,864 Uh, he's a phony.                66 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:19,199   Who do you root for? And why?  67 00:03:19,299 --> 00:03:20,233  Frazier's going to win!         68 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:21,801   It's a hell of a way           69 00:03:21,935 --> 00:03:23,203 to present one's                   society to the world,          70 00:03:23,336 --> 00:03:24,737    because, you know,              that's what it meant.          71 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:28,274   Every punch that was            thrown had a subtext behind it. 72 00:03:28,441 --> 00:03:30,076 Totally different styles.        73 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,344   The one area                   74 00:03:31,477 --> 00:03:33,813  where they were                 very similar in the ring         75 00:03:33,913 --> 00:03:34,981  was that they were both         76 00:03:35,114 --> 00:03:39,252   mean, nasty, S.O.B. fighters.  77 00:03:39,385 --> 00:03:43,656 Joe Frazier was prepared          to die in that ring that night. 78 00:03:43,790 --> 00:03:45,291   Joe came out of ugly origins,  79 00:03:45,458 --> 00:03:48,094  and boxing became his way out.  80 00:03:48,261 --> 00:03:49,896    [match bell rings]            81 00:03:50,029 --> 00:03:52,665  [announcer] Round one!          82 00:03:52,765 --> 00:03:54,567 [horse whinnying]                83 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:57,303   [♪♪♪]                          84 00:03:59,272 --> 00:04:02,208  [Joe] I was born and raised in  Beaufort, South Carolina,        85 00:04:02,342 --> 00:04:04,210  and my original                    home is the South.            86 00:04:04,344 --> 00:04:07,647   [Boyd] Joe's family,           they were sharecroppers.         87 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:08,715  It's not intellectual.          88 00:04:08,848 --> 00:04:09,916 It's hard living.                89 00:04:10,016 --> 00:04:12,018   [♪♪♪]                          90 00:04:12,151 --> 00:04:13,553   It was slow, and it was hot.   91 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:15,021 Bugs everywhere.                 92 00:04:15,188 --> 00:04:16,222 It was survival.                 93 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:19,192  Joe Frazier has                  had to face adversity,          94 00:04:19,359 --> 00:04:21,194 not from the moment he was born, 95 00:04:21,327 --> 00:04:23,096   but from the                   moment he was conceived.         96 00:04:23,229 --> 00:04:25,131  He was in his mother's stomach, 97 00:04:25,231 --> 00:04:26,966    she was pregnant with him,    98 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:29,135  when his dad had an altercation 99 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,904   in which he was shot             in his left arm by a friend.   100 00:04:32,071 --> 00:04:33,439 [gunshot echoes]                 101 00:04:33,606 --> 00:04:35,775   Shot off by, like, a              jealous husband of somebody   102 00:04:35,908 --> 00:04:38,244 that Rubin might've been            doing the wrong thing with,   103 00:04:38,411 --> 00:04:39,879   or "the wild                   thing," as Joe would say.        104 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:42,081 His mom was shot                   in the same incident.          105 00:04:42,215 --> 00:04:43,750   Could've killed Joe Frazier.   106 00:04:43,883 --> 00:04:45,251  [infant crying]                 107 00:04:45,385 --> 00:04:47,920    Joe Frazier didn't            grow up in Beverly Hills.        108 00:04:48,054 --> 00:04:52,425   1944 in rural South Carolina   109 00:04:52,558 --> 00:04:56,829  is really not that far          removed from the end of slavery. 110 00:04:56,963 --> 00:04:59,198 His earliest memory would         be sitting on his father's knee 111 00:04:59,332 --> 00:05:00,867   and his father would,             would call him "Billy Boy,"   112 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:03,569    and, you know, he was known      to be, like, a daddy's boy,   113 00:05:03,703 --> 00:05:05,505    and he was                     basically his father's shadow.  114 00:05:12,278 --> 00:05:14,180   And being his dad's favorite,  115 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:18,351 Joe had to become                   his dad's left arm.           116 00:05:18,451 --> 00:05:19,952  [Bernstein] The                   whole setting of that story,   117 00:05:20,086 --> 00:05:21,321    the drama,                    118 00:05:21,454 --> 00:05:22,889    and how it                       ultimately came full circle   119 00:05:23,022 --> 00:05:26,225  with him using the left          arm that his father never had,  120 00:05:26,359 --> 00:05:28,227 and become world famous,         121 00:05:28,361 --> 00:05:31,998 was really extraordinary,          and in a way, poetic.          122 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:33,933 [Joe] Back in the                country, they had, like,         123 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:36,202 maybe one or two                  televisions, you know?          124 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:39,038 Used to get around those,          to watch fights at the time.   125 00:05:39,138 --> 00:05:40,840 [crowd cheering]                 126 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:45,011   And you had boxing on          TV several times a week.         127 00:05:45,244 --> 00:05:46,612  Everybody knew                  128 00:05:46,746 --> 00:05:48,848   who the Heavyweight Champion   of the World was.                129 00:05:48,981 --> 00:05:50,883   And there was, uh, Joe Louis   130 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:52,218    and Rocky Marciano,           131 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:53,753  Ezzard Charles,                 132 00:05:53,886 --> 00:05:55,154    Jersey Joe Walcott,           133 00:05:55,254 --> 00:05:57,490 and my uncles and                 my aunts and my father          134 00:05:57,623 --> 00:06:00,293 used to say, you                   know, "That kid, look at him.  135 00:06:00,426 --> 00:06:02,061   Look at the body structure."   136 00:06:02,161 --> 00:06:03,196   He said, "One of these days,   137 00:06:03,329 --> 00:06:06,032  that boy gonna be a Joe Louis." 138 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:11,804  Chasing after a                 hog, and was told not to,        139 00:06:11,904 --> 00:06:13,973    and fell and broke his arm.   140 00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:22,382    [laughing]                    141 00:06:42,502 --> 00:06:44,537    They had no                     healthcare insurance.          142 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:47,840 They had no money                  to go to a hospital.           143 00:06:53,746 --> 00:06:54,447    [laughing]                    144 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:56,482    His mom and his dad           145 00:06:56,649 --> 00:06:58,384   always said he was a fighter.  146 00:06:58,551 --> 00:07:00,453  He had the bag                     when he was a kid,            147 00:07:00,553 --> 00:07:02,955 that bag that he                 built with his own hands         148 00:07:03,122 --> 00:07:04,357   and hung from a tree.          149 00:07:04,457 --> 00:07:07,026  He filled it up                    with peat moss, corn cobs,    150 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,861   shoes, wood,                   151 00:07:09,028 --> 00:07:10,396  whatever he could put in there. 152 00:07:10,496 --> 00:07:11,631  [Joe speaking]                  153 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:22,842 That's where his                  power really came from.         154 00:07:22,975 --> 00:07:27,079 The roots of his                  thoughts, and his gut feeling,  155 00:07:27,213 --> 00:07:29,715 came from that time in his life, 156 00:07:29,816 --> 00:07:33,786 what his mom and                    his dad put in him.           157 00:07:38,324 --> 00:07:40,026    [Bernstein]                     Joe Frazier was able to come   158 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:42,161   from the most                    difficult beginnings           159 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:45,998 and get to a very                   lofty place in this world.    160 00:07:56,108 --> 00:07:58,377  [Watson] Growing up in          Beaufort, South Carolina,        161 00:07:58,511 --> 00:08:00,313  there were hard times,          162 00:08:00,446 --> 00:08:03,282   but when you actually           lived in those times...         163 00:08:03,416 --> 00:08:05,518 we really                         didn't know any better.         164 00:08:15,428 --> 00:08:16,629  Joe got into a                    little bit of trouble          165 00:08:16,729 --> 00:08:18,197 as he got a little older,        166 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:20,199   not older, much older, at 15.  167 00:08:20,366 --> 00:08:23,736 Joe was, uh, 14,                   15, worked on a farm.          168 00:08:23,836 --> 00:08:27,673  This Black kid is being            accosted by this white man.   169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,721    [chuckling]                   170 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:43,489 Joe had stuck up                    for this Black kid,           171 00:08:43,623 --> 00:08:46,859   and, uh, the                    white man, um, decided          172 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:50,897  that, uh, he was going           to, uh, beat Joe with his belt. 173 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:54,433   Joe said, being Joe,           174 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:55,868    "I wouldn't do that, man."    175 00:08:56,736 --> 00:08:59,972    Joe's mom, um, said to him,   176 00:09:00,106 --> 00:09:01,040 "Listen.                         177 00:09:01,173 --> 00:09:02,775  If you can't get along          178 00:09:02,942 --> 00:09:04,644  with the white                  people here in Beaufort,         179 00:09:04,777 --> 00:09:06,846  you better leave, 'cause, um... 180 00:09:06,979 --> 00:09:09,916   that's not, it's not              gonna end up good for you."   181 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:12,118  Joe was forced                   out of South Carolina,          182 00:09:12,251 --> 00:09:15,488    but he never, ever              held any grudge towards that.  183 00:09:15,621 --> 00:09:17,323 His mom put him on a bus         184 00:09:17,423 --> 00:09:21,594   with a couple of, uh,          legs of fried chicken...         185 00:09:21,727 --> 00:09:23,029   ho...                          186 00:09:23,195 --> 00:09:28,334  and he took the bus on his own   from, uh, Beaufort to New York. 187 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:30,403    What a horrific childhood,    188 00:09:30,536 --> 00:09:33,072 and what it took                    to get outta there.           189 00:09:33,205 --> 00:09:34,907  [newsreel theme plays]          190 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:36,609 [newsreel                         announcer] This is a free land  191 00:09:36,709 --> 00:09:38,711     in which we have a            right to work anywhere.         192 00:09:38,811 --> 00:09:42,515 Joe Frazier came                   to New York in 1959,           193 00:09:42,648 --> 00:09:43,950 and moved in with                   his brother, Tommy.           194 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:46,152   They got to a                    little bit of trouble there!   195 00:09:46,285 --> 00:09:48,454  I mean, they-they tried          to start a little side hustle.  196 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:51,991   [newsreel] We call it             "freedom of opportunity"...   197 00:09:55,661 --> 00:09:56,929    [newsreel] ...and it means    198 00:09:57,063 --> 00:09:58,230  there is a free                   market for our skills.         199 00:09:58,364 --> 00:09:59,265  [Joe speaking]                  200 00:10:13,512 --> 00:10:14,614    [laughing]                    201 00:10:14,714 --> 00:10:16,182  He was married                     at 16 and had kids,           202 00:10:16,315 --> 00:10:17,883  and he was acting like             a grown man at that point.    203 00:10:18,017 --> 00:10:19,418    During the day, you              work at all kinds of jobs,    204 00:10:19,552 --> 00:10:20,686  when you can find them.         205 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:23,422  Money's scarce,                 particularly when                206 00:10:23,522 --> 00:10:25,291   yours and Florence's            son Marvis comes along          207 00:10:25,424 --> 00:10:27,226   in September of 1960.          208 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,828   I got married                   when I was real young.          209 00:10:28,961 --> 00:10:30,997  He was working                    in a slaughterhouse.           210 00:10:31,163 --> 00:10:32,531 He put on weight.                211 00:10:32,698 --> 00:10:35,635    At the age of 'bout              16, I was about 230 pounds,   212 00:10:35,768 --> 00:10:37,236 so I had a little                  problem of, you know,          213 00:10:37,336 --> 00:10:38,671 of fitting up in clothes,        214 00:10:38,771 --> 00:10:40,573  so therefore, I                   couldn't afford the clothes,   215 00:10:40,706 --> 00:10:42,742    so I had to find somethin'      to do to get that weight off,  216 00:10:42,875 --> 00:10:45,511    and then I                     found out how to punch.         217 00:10:45,611 --> 00:10:46,912  When I went in the gym,         218 00:10:47,046 --> 00:10:49,215 they had about 12                 heavyweights in there,          219 00:10:49,348 --> 00:10:52,585    and by the time I left out,    I was the only guy in the gym.  220 00:10:52,718 --> 00:10:54,086   [Ralph Edwards] Fortunately,   221 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:55,721    you meet someone who            sees potential in you.         222 00:10:55,855 --> 00:10:57,523  Joe, your close                     friend and manager           223 00:10:57,690 --> 00:10:59,625    since the beginning             of your boxing career,         224 00:10:59,725 --> 00:11:01,727     Mr. Yancey 'Yank' Durham.    225 00:11:01,827 --> 00:11:04,997    You saw Joe's, uh,             potential early, Yank?          226 00:11:05,131 --> 00:11:06,866 [Durham] Yes. Joe                  was a dedicated boy.           227 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:09,669    He would, his determination      was so great that I figured   228 00:11:09,802 --> 00:11:11,337   that, uh, Joe                    would go all the way.          229 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:12,938  [Joe Hand Jr.] In a boxing gym, 230 00:11:13,072 --> 00:11:15,608   trainers like to keep            training sessions controlled,  231 00:11:15,708 --> 00:11:18,110  but Yank Durham                  didn't let Joe do that.         232 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:19,712   He let him be                  233 00:11:19,845 --> 00:11:22,548    as ferocious and aggressive   as he could possibly be.         234 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,350   Lot of people                    don't know, that, uh,          235 00:11:24,483 --> 00:11:25,851   when I first started with him, 236 00:11:25,951 --> 00:11:27,219     he thought he was              the type of a fighter          237 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:28,688 that could move around the ring, 238 00:11:28,821 --> 00:11:29,755    and I said,                    "Look, this is nonsense,        239 00:11:29,922 --> 00:11:31,223 it's something we have to stop.  240 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:32,692   You're too short for a boxer.  241 00:11:32,858 --> 00:11:34,694     You're a fighter,               you have the power,           242 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:36,762    and you got to keep applying     pressure on these fighters."  243 00:11:36,896 --> 00:11:38,497    Felt like that relationship   244 00:11:38,631 --> 00:11:40,833    was, uh, a                    father-son relationship.         245 00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:44,904  And Joe relied                     completely on Yank Durham.    246 00:11:48,908 --> 00:11:51,243   [newscaster] Frazier              won 38 of 40 amateur fights,  247 00:11:51,377 --> 00:11:52,745 grinding through all opposition  248 00:11:52,845 --> 00:11:55,047   to three Golden Glove titles.  249 00:12:03,856 --> 00:12:06,992  [announcer] Round three             of the 1964 Olympic Trials   250 00:12:07,126 --> 00:12:09,995    between heavyweights            Buster Mathis and Joe Frazier. 251 00:12:10,129 --> 00:12:13,432    Mathis is enormous!             He weighs 300 pounds.          252 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:22,541 Joe lost to Buster Mathis         in the Olympic trials,          253 00:12:22,708 --> 00:12:24,443    but Buster broke his hand,    254 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:27,313  so Joe Frazier                    went to the Olympics.          255 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:28,814  [Joe speaking]                  256 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:39,692    [laughing]                    257 00:12:41,127 --> 00:12:43,362   [♪♪♪]                          258 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:54,740   He broke his                    hand in the semifinal,          259 00:12:54,874 --> 00:12:57,409  and had to figure out a            way to fight in that final    260 00:12:57,543 --> 00:12:58,577  with that broken hand!          261 00:12:58,711 --> 00:13:01,781    Joe had his own medication.   262 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,156  [Joe Hand Sr.]                     Dolly, his mother,            263 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:11,924  she was just a beauty.          264 00:13:12,057 --> 00:13:14,960  Corn-cob pipe,                  sitting on a front porch.        265 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:17,129   Dolly would eat dirt            every day with a spoon.         266 00:13:17,263 --> 00:13:18,531 She would go out,                267 00:13:18,664 --> 00:13:20,432    and then find some            of this peat soil stuff,         268 00:13:20,599 --> 00:13:21,767    and eat it,                   269 00:13:21,901 --> 00:13:23,369  and I asked Joe                    what it was about,            270 00:13:23,502 --> 00:13:25,104   and he said, "That's             where you get the goodness."   271 00:13:25,237 --> 00:13:26,939   You know, she wanted             the minerals from the earth.   272 00:13:27,072 --> 00:13:30,176  Joe Frazier was                   from Gullah culture.           273 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:32,678   In the Gullah                   culture and tradition,          274 00:13:32,778 --> 00:13:35,548    we were spiritually           into the church,                 275 00:13:35,714 --> 00:13:38,617  but at the same                  time, being into root,          276 00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:40,219   and witches, spirits.          277 00:13:40,352 --> 00:13:42,354   You couldn't go to a doctor,   278 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:44,924  so Joe always concocted things. 279 00:13:45,057 --> 00:13:46,192   They came from his childhood,  280 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:47,393 the most obscure                 things you could imagine         281 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:48,427 to fix something.                282 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:49,895  Whether it was the flu,         283 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:52,097 whether his back                 was hurting, arthritis...        284 00:13:52,231 --> 00:13:54,300   Sometimes he'd write            on the jar what it was.         285 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,968    He might just put,              "hair growing" there.          286 00:13:56,101 --> 00:13:57,903 If you've got bad                  hands from hitting the bags,   287 00:13:58,037 --> 00:13:59,805    "Come here, son, let me put     some of this stuff on there."  288 00:13:59,939 --> 00:14:02,775 Joe used to take                   a big mayonnaise jar           289 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:06,178  and fill it with liquor         and orange peels and rock candy, 290 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:10,015   and have it sit and marinate    for about two or three months,  291 00:14:10,149 --> 00:14:11,383 and shake it up,                 292 00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:12,518  and every time                     we'd go someplace,            293 00:14:12,651 --> 00:14:13,786    he would take some of that,   294 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:14,720  and that would                     be his medication,            295 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:16,055  for whatever ailed him.         296 00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,224 His big thing was                 Westley's Tire Cleaner.         297 00:14:18,357 --> 00:14:19,592 It was a special cleaner         298 00:14:19,758 --> 00:14:21,393 that they had for                 the limousine company,          299 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:22,394   for the white walls,           300 00:14:22,561 --> 00:14:23,696 so he'd spray it on a toothbrush 301 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,164  and then brush                     his teeth with it.            302 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:26,432 Gargle something,                303 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:28,234    maybe Courvoisier,               maybe lemon juice.            304 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:29,668    In his mind, he was, like,    305 00:14:29,768 --> 00:14:31,003    "Hey, if it's gonna             make the tires white,          306 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:33,305    it'll make my teeth white."      [laughing]                    307 00:14:33,439 --> 00:14:33,973  [Bernstein] Joe Frazier         made the most of his opportunity 308 00:14:33,973 --> 00:14:36,141  [Bernstein] Joe Frazier         made the most of his opportunity 309 00:14:36,242 --> 00:14:38,510 in 1964.                         310 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:41,647    He was going to get             the job done, no matter what.  311 00:14:41,780 --> 00:14:43,315    Fighters have, many times,    312 00:14:43,449 --> 00:14:46,252 fought with injuries that         they sustained during a fight,  313 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:47,920    but it's very rare            314 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:50,956 that somebody goes into a         fight with that kind of injury. 315 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:52,925    It's emblematic of Frazier.   316 00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:56,262   Joe Frazier, who was              concealing a broken thumb,    317 00:14:56,428 --> 00:14:58,030 won a gold medal.                318 00:14:58,163 --> 00:14:59,698  [Slone] Joe was very patriotic. 319 00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:01,100  He was the only                    American to win it,           320 00:15:01,233 --> 00:15:02,902 and he was so, so proud of that. 321 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:13,579    [Florence Frazier] In 1964,   322 00:15:13,712 --> 00:15:15,114   when Joe came                   back from the Olympics,         323 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:18,117  things was awful                 hard for Joe and myself.        324 00:15:26,625 --> 00:15:28,360  Look, he was a                    guy with a bad hand.           325 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:30,029    Wasn't particularly verbal.   326 00:15:30,162 --> 00:15:31,764  Joe Frazier was                    country, you know,            327 00:15:31,897 --> 00:15:36,368    and Joe didn't have              the wordplay to deny this.    328 00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:40,706    He was a reflection            of those country roots.         329 00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:43,242   An Olympic gold medal          330 00:15:43,342 --> 00:15:47,846   was a very different           phenomenon, economically,        331 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:49,315  in those days,                  332 00:15:49,448 --> 00:15:50,382    and at that point,            333 00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:52,051    there was no way of knowing   334 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:54,954    that hwas going to become        the fighter that he became.   335 00:15:55,087 --> 00:15:57,656    Well, I done                     spent most of the...          336 00:15:57,790 --> 00:16:01,860  most of our savings to,           to buy, uh, food for the kids, 337 00:16:01,994 --> 00:16:04,096     and pay the bills                and rent, and everything.    338 00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:05,764     His hand was broke             and he couldn't work,          339 00:16:05,864 --> 00:16:07,566   and I had the                    children to care for,          340 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,669   I couldn't work, so...         341 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,271    we were just sort of stuck.   342 00:16:16,942 --> 00:16:21,113    He had shrapnel in               his eye from the speed bag,   343 00:16:21,246 --> 00:16:25,017 a little sliver of steel          that cut into his eye's retina. 344 00:16:25,117 --> 00:16:27,119  It made him 80%                 blind in one eye,                345 00:16:27,286 --> 00:16:29,188 and he fought his                 whole career that way.          346 00:16:32,057 --> 00:16:33,425  Yank, you told Dr. Gray         347 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,227    that you thought it              would take at least $5,000    348 00:16:35,361 --> 00:16:37,262  to get Joe launched on            a professional fight career.   349 00:16:37,396 --> 00:16:39,131  [Durham] That's true. I            sit and talk with Dr. Gray,   350 00:16:39,298 --> 00:16:41,200  and I asked him                   about a co-operation,          351 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:42,668  so he talked to various people, 352 00:16:42,801 --> 00:16:44,470  and we got the                    corporation together,          353 00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:45,471    that's where we are today.    354 00:16:45,604 --> 00:16:46,705 [interviewer] Mr. Wright,        355 00:16:46,872 --> 00:16:48,107  how and why was                 Cloverlay formed?                356 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,575    [Bruce Wright] Dr.              Baldwin had asked me           357 00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:53,278  to give him a method of            sponsoring a prizefighter.    358 00:16:53,412 --> 00:16:54,947  How did you get                 involved with Cloverlay?         359 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,548  I read about it                 in the newspaper,                360 00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:58,083 and I called Dr. Baldwin         361 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:01,086 regarding a purchase of a share. 362 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,855 My dad showed up                    at the next meeting           363 00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:03,789  with 500 hours,                 364 00:17:03,922 --> 00:17:05,157  and now he was                  365 00:17:05,290 --> 00:17:06,892    one of the                       founding guys of Cloverlay.   366 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,029  [Wright] We guaranteed          Joe $100 a week for three years, 367 00:17:10,162 --> 00:17:12,231    and this was before           any earnings had come in.        368 00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:14,233   [♪♪♪]                          369 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,603 Cloverlay really                    looked out for Joe Frazier.   370 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:20,072  [interviewer] Isn't it             kind of unusual for a woman   371 00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:21,707   to be part owner of a boxer?   372 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,809 Yes, that's what                   made it so thrilling.          373 00:17:23,976 --> 00:17:26,612   [♪♪♪]                          374 00:17:26,779 --> 00:17:28,547  They were guiding Joe's career. 375 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,049 They didn't want to exploit Joe, 376 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:32,918    they wanted to see              that Joe was fairly treated.   377 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,453 [Joe] It's a real                 good feeling, you know,         378 00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:36,422    that you really got              people like that behind ya,   379 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:38,724 and, uh, they're                   wonderful people to be with.   380 00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:40,559 You could kind of                 brag to your neighbor,          381 00:17:40,659 --> 00:17:43,996    to your boss or coworkers,    that you owned a fighter.        382 00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:46,432  They would sell                  these shares of stock,          383 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:47,966    and they were $250.           384 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,203 The Joe Frazier/Cloverlay          story became popular.          385 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:54,373 As time went by,                  they increased in value         386 00:17:54,473 --> 00:17:56,008    to, what I                    remember someone saying,         387 00:17:56,141 --> 00:17:58,377   like, almost $14,000 a share.  388 00:17:58,477 --> 00:17:59,845 You think it was                    a good investment?            389 00:17:59,978 --> 00:18:02,281 Very good. I have no complaints. 390 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,518  I was rooting for Joe Frazier,    who I loved as a boxing fan.   391 00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:09,955 I loved watching him run through the Heavyweight Division.        392 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,623    [announcer] Frazier             was the only American          393 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:16,628    to win a gold medal              in the 1964 Olympic Boxing.   394 00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:17,930    And Frazier is down!          395 00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:20,866 [crowd cheering]                 396 00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:22,534   At 11 and 0,                   397 00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:26,138   he faced a very tough             fighter in Oscar Bonavena,    398 00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:30,242 a South American fighter           who had power in both hands,   399 00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:32,911    and because of the              style Frazier fought,          400 00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:35,881    it was two                     trucks coming together.         401 00:18:36,014 --> 00:18:38,350    Bonavena is probably           the stronger of the two,        402 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:40,686     and has fought the              more experienced opponents.   403 00:18:48,694 --> 00:18:50,129    Frazier down again!           404 00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:52,664    There was a                    three-knockdown rule in effect, 405 00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:54,099    so his career at that point   406 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:56,435 could have been short-circuited. 407 00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:05,811 Yank Durham was furious.         408 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:07,546  Joe had gotten sloppy.          409 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:11,250 He had started to believe        that he couldn't be hurt.        410 00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:14,052  "I lay hands on                   them and they fall."           411 00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:15,587 [crowd cheering]                 412 00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:17,389   [announcer] And there            it is, the final bell!         413 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:21,093 That was a real crucible           for him early in his career,   414 00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,162 but still won a decision.        415 00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,564     But you came on to             win, I wanna congratulate you, 416 00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:27,032  you're still undefeated,        417 00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,201     and you're                   certainly a wonderful prospect.  418 00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:30,636     One of these days,           419 00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,104  we hope to have                   you in a title fight.          420 00:19:32,237 --> 00:19:33,438 Thank you very much. Everybody!  421 00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:34,473   Thank you very                     much, Joe Frazier.           422 00:19:34,573 --> 00:19:35,841     Thank you!                   423 00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:38,710    The man to beat me              hasn't been born yet.          424 00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:41,647   [♪♪♪]                          425 00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:45,784 I'm the Heavyweight Champ          of the World,                  426 00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:47,920    and I don't have to talk no   more and say "I'm the greatest," 427 00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:49,588  because people                  tell me I'm the greatest.        428 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,625 I am the                         greatest. I am the king.         429 00:19:54,993 --> 00:19:56,261 I'll be champion,                430 00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:57,930 and I can stay in                 the ring ten more years         431 00:19:58,063 --> 00:19:59,331  easy, I figure.                 432 00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:01,133  So you're not prepared          to discuss your feelings         433 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,501  about the Vietnam War?          434 00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:04,636  Mm-mm.                          435 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,376   [reporter] World Heavyweight     Champion Cassius Clay          436 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,745  refused to take the Oath           of Induction into the Army.   437 00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:17,149 The Black Muslim fighter, who's     also known as Muhammad Ali,   438 00:20:17,249 --> 00:20:18,850  was immediately                   stripped of his title          439 00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:20,619 by the World Boxing Association. 440 00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:23,722    My intention is to               box, to win a clean fight,    441 00:20:23,855 --> 00:20:25,324    but in war,                   442 00:20:25,457 --> 00:20:28,460    the intention is to            kill, kill, kill, kill,         443 00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:31,029   and continue                   killing innocent people!         444 00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:34,666  Muhammad Ali refusing induction    into the United States Army   445 00:20:34,766 --> 00:20:36,235   during the height of the war   446 00:20:36,368 --> 00:20:41,840 had enormous sociological          and political impact.          447 00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:45,711 Muhammad Ali was                 prohibited from fighting,        448 00:20:45,811 --> 00:20:47,679  and Madison Square Garden said  449 00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:53,352 that New York State would         recognize a championship fight  450 00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:56,455    between Joe Frazier              and Buster Mathis.            451 00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:58,490 Even the                         fighters themselves know         452 00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,959    that they cannot be              considered world champions    453 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:02,394   until they've                    fought Muhammad Ali.           454 00:21:02,527 --> 00:21:04,029   What are your                  feelings about the demonstration 455 00:21:04,162 --> 00:21:05,664    against the fight?            456 00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:06,732   Don't know anything about it.  457 00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:07,966 Got the fight on my mind.        458 00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:09,534  I get out there                 and I go to work,                459 00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,170   and as long as Mathis          wanna be there and be smoked on, 460 00:21:12,337 --> 00:21:13,538   I'm gonna smoke him.           461 00:21:13,772 --> 00:21:16,308   [♪♪♪]                          462 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,012   Even before I                    turned professional,           463 00:21:20,145 --> 00:21:22,848   I'd seen him                   annihilate Buster Mathis.        464 00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:24,916 He beat that boy, beat that boy, 465 00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:27,052   and finally knocked him out.   466 00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:28,287    From that point on,           467 00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:29,554   everyone was                   afraid of the small guy.         468 00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,089 Frazier wasn't that big.         469 00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:34,259  He got the maximum out             of his physical abilities,    470 00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:37,195    fighting, you know,           the best of competition,         471 00:21:37,329 --> 00:21:39,031   Eddie Machen,                  472 00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:40,966  George Chuvalo,                 473 00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:42,401 and Oscar Bonavena twice.        474 00:21:42,534 --> 00:21:44,036  [Hand Jr.] The                    second Oscar Bonavena fight,   475 00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,537   I was ten years old.           476 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:48,106  Joe's son, Marvis, and             I were around the same age,   477 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,441 and we were pretty good friends. 478 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:51,343    My dad, of                       course, put us at ringside.   479 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,913   I remember it being,             like, kind of a brutal fight.  480 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:00,585 [Hand Jr.] After                    the fight was over,           481 00:22:00,719 --> 00:22:03,622 they rushed Marvis and I          back into Joe's dressing room,  482 00:22:03,722 --> 00:22:05,457 and I see                         Oscar Bonavena walk in,         483 00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:09,294 and Bonavena did                  not have his eyes open,         484 00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:11,163 'cause they were                   swollen shut, at that point,   485 00:22:11,296 --> 00:22:13,098 and somebody had to lift his arm 486 00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,934  to put it into                    Joe's, and to shake his hand.  487 00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:19,638    The brutality of that sport    struck me that night, for sure, 488 00:22:19,738 --> 00:22:21,239  and it, and it                     doesn't leave you.            489 00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:23,675   It's a brutal, brutal sport.   490 00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:30,615  Tomorrow night,                  Joe fights Jimmy Ellis          491 00:22:30,782 --> 00:22:32,951  for the                          World Heavyweight Championship  492 00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:35,087 at Madison Square Garden.        493 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,956  Music was what                    he, he enjoyed doing,          494 00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,258 and people let him do it.        495 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,095    But right now, here           he is with The Knockouts,        496 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,596 singing "Knock on Wood."         497 00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:45,931    [match bell dings]            498 00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:47,566 [crowd screaming]                499 00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:50,235   [♪♪♪]                          500 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,738 ♪ I don't want to lose ♪         501 00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:54,673 ♪ This good thing, baby ♪        502 00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:56,575  ♪ That I got ♪                  503 00:22:56,708 --> 00:22:57,909  ♪ If I do... ♪                  504 00:22:58,076 --> 00:22:59,678   To go on The Ed Sullivan Show  505 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,181    before the day he's              gonna fight Jimmy Ellis...    506 00:23:03,348 --> 00:23:05,183 Live! And it was live back then! 507 00:23:05,317 --> 00:23:06,618  ...he's supposed to be resting. 508 00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,220   I mean, this guy was,           like, made of concrete.         509 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,088   ♪ I wonder Do                    you feel it, baby? ♪           510 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:11,289 ♪ Oww! ♪                         511 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,125   ♪ I wonder, do you feel it? ♪  512 00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:14,659 ♪ Knock on wood ♪                513 00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,028   Not only was he doing             a good job on Ed Sullivan,    514 00:23:17,195 --> 00:23:18,397   he walks in the ring           515 00:23:18,497 --> 00:23:20,399 and does his day                    job extremely well.           516 00:23:20,532 --> 00:23:23,602 [announcer] Champion Joe Frazier   takes on Jimmy Ellis.          517 00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,473 The bob-and-weave                style was staying low...         518 00:23:28,607 --> 00:23:31,376    like the Henry Armstrongs,    the Tysons of the world.         519 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,211  That's my whole                   trick about fighting,          520 00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:34,713   you know what I mean?          521 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,282 Stay close on a man, and           take the room away from him.   522 00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:39,518    There was a lot of            nuance to what he did, you know? 523 00:23:39,651 --> 00:23:41,520 He would use his                 jab on different levels,         524 00:23:41,653 --> 00:23:42,888 then he'd double                    with the left hook,           525 00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:44,022  so that'd surprise you.         526 00:23:44,156 --> 00:23:45,524   When you perfect it,           527 00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:47,926    it's very tough for              any opponent to deal with.    528 00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:49,461   Jimmy Ellis, to Joe,           529 00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,997  was just too relentless         and too powerful for him.        530 00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:53,899    He goes out                   531 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:55,567    and knocks                     Jimmy Ellis out in five rounds. 532 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,335    [sportscaster] Joe             Frazier becomes                 533 00:23:57,502 --> 00:23:59,504     the undisputed Heavyweight     Champion of the World          534 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,006     in Madison Square Garden.    535 00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:01,973    An elated...                  536 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:04,776   [audience applauding]          537 00:24:06,478 --> 00:24:09,915   [♪♪♪]                          538 00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,718  America in 1971                 539 00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:16,688 was divided over                    the war in Vietnam,           540 00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:19,591  it was divided                     over racial issues.           541 00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:23,962  Think about the                    assassination of Malcolm X,   542 00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:25,030    Martin Luther King,           543 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:26,164  Robert Kennedy,                 544 00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:27,566  and, of course,                 545 00:24:27,699 --> 00:24:30,135  Muhammad Ali's                    three-and-a-half-year exile.   546 00:24:30,235 --> 00:24:32,437   [♪♪♪]                          547 00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:33,738   Black people got to the point  548 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,474    where they                    couldn't take it no more.        549 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:38,176   To make some                      people understand sometimes   550 00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,378  you have to use                    bottles and bricks.           551 00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:42,647   You may not intend on             it, you don't wanna use it,   552 00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:44,516  but then again,                 you just have to.                553 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:46,585   [Hauser] Muhammad Ali and Joe  554 00:24:46,718 --> 00:24:51,456   really became                  surrogates for that culture war, 555 00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:54,759 Muhammad                            willingly, Joe unwillingly.   556 00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:56,928   When it came to the politics,   and the wars and stuff,         557 00:24:57,095 --> 00:24:59,431    he said, "I'm not qualified     to make a judgment on that."   558 00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:00,899  For Joe Frazier                 to be a champion,                559 00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,200    he's gotta beat me.           560 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,948 There were times                    during Ali's exile            561 00:25:17,082 --> 00:25:18,550  when they were quite friendly.  562 00:25:18,683 --> 00:25:21,219 Before he had his                  title, uh, stripped from him,  563 00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:22,721  I had a lot of respect for him. 564 00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:26,925    Joe was helpful to             Ali in different ways.          565 00:25:57,155 --> 00:25:58,056 You, Joe Frazier!                566 00:25:58,189 --> 00:25:59,791    I want my bout with y'all!    567 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:01,092  Ali was angry.                  568 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:03,528 He'd been stripped of his title. 569 00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:07,599   He was being                   treated by many Americans        570 00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:09,968  as an object of scorn.          571 00:26:15,106 --> 00:26:16,541  Joe said to me,                 572 00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,377   "This scam booger has             got my money in his pocket,   573 00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,912  and he's talkin' bad about me." 574 00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,681  The whole time,                   going back, he said,           575 00:26:22,814 --> 00:26:24,316   "Yeah, I was                      talking to him in the car,    576 00:26:24,449 --> 00:26:25,917 but I was thinking of how        577 00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:28,019    I'm gonna kill him              in the ring legally."          578 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:44,936    [chuckling]                   579 00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,574  When the white                     man took his title            580 00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:52,877    and denied him a chance to      do anything to make a living,  581 00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:54,412   Joe Frazier stood up.          582 00:26:54,579 --> 00:26:55,914   He came to the plate.          583 00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:58,683  The main thing,                    we were responsible           584 00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,518  for him to get                     half of the purse,            585 00:27:00,652 --> 00:27:03,288   and after he got this money,      and got a little foothold,    586 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,723   you know what I mean,          587 00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,491  he tried to do                    everything and say everything  588 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,093  to put me down.                 589 00:27:19,738 --> 00:27:21,439 [Watson] It was 2.5 million each 590 00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,208   that they got for that fight.  591 00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:25,143   That was the                     biggest sports payoff          592 00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:27,646    that an athlete got           in the history of sports.        593 00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:29,814  It's the biggest fight,            because for the first time,   594 00:27:29,948 --> 00:27:32,484    you've had a witty, quick,     fast-talking heavyweight champ. 595 00:27:32,617 --> 00:27:34,052 When the most of                 them ask him a question,         596 00:27:34,185 --> 00:27:35,186 "How do you feel, champ?"        597 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,155  [speaking in gibberish]         598 00:27:37,288 --> 00:27:39,591 I think a lot of                   Black people hear Ali saying,  599 00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:40,925 "In addition to everything else, 600 00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,395 you're a country                  boy, you're a farm boy.         601 00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,597  If you want to                     really get deep, you know,    602 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:47,132  you're a field slave."          603 00:27:47,265 --> 00:27:48,900 [continuing in gibberish]        604 00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:52,671  Ali called him                    stupid, called him ignorant,   605 00:27:52,771 --> 00:27:54,105  called him "Uncle Tom,"         606 00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:56,141  'cause he knew                   Frazier was sensitive to that,  607 00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,410    saying, "The white            man is controlling you."         608 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,012    'Cause he's the Uncle Tom.    609 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,956  He told me, "Look, this         guy keeps calling me Uncle Tom," 610 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:13,525  and he said, "I                    don't want my wife thinking   611 00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:15,093   that I'm peeping in windows."  612 00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:16,494    He actually thought           613 00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:17,829  he was calling                     him a peeping Tom.            614 00:28:17,962 --> 00:28:19,764  He didn't know                   what an Uncle Tom was.          615 00:28:19,931 --> 00:28:21,433    He's the other-type Negro.    616 00:28:21,566 --> 00:28:22,767 He's not like me.                617 00:28:22,901 --> 00:28:26,438 [Hauser] It was damaging to Joe, 618 00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:30,642 and it also made                 that demeaning treatment         619 00:28:30,775 --> 00:28:32,877   of a certain                     kind of Black person           620 00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:34,546    acceptable,                   621 00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,214   which it shouldn't have been.  622 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,348  He's a brother.                 623 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:38,817   One day, he might be like me,  624 00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:41,686 but as of now, he                  works for the enemy.           625 00:28:41,786 --> 00:28:44,122  Ali had tried to paint            Joe Frazier as an Uncle Tom,   626 00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:46,691 and somebody that                  wasn't a part of the solution  627 00:28:46,791 --> 00:28:47,959 for Black people,                628 00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:49,561   but was still                    part of the problem.           629 00:28:49,694 --> 00:28:51,429   Why did he insist on           calling me Cassius Clay,         630 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,731   when even the                     worst of the whites           631 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:54,265  recognize Muhammad Ali?         632 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:55,533  He keeps saying "Clay"!         633 00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:56,935    "He's still                   Clay, he gon' stay Clay,         634 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:58,937    and, to me,                    he'll always be Clay."          635 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:01,973  Joe, for a long                  time, did call him Ali.         636 00:29:02,107 --> 00:29:03,441  Uh, Ali made a                   statement the other day         637 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,510  that he wants, uh, six million, 638 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:09,647    It wasn't until Ali           started disrespecting Joe        639 00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:11,950 that Joe                         started calling him Clay.        640 00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:14,953 I'm tired of all                  these Uncle Tom Negros!         641 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,088   You might be                     considered ignorant.           642 00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:19,824 "Uncle Tom" is an                entirely different thing.        643 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:22,761  [Hauser] It was                 very hurtful to his kids.        644 00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,229    It's understandable           645 00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:28,099 that Joe harbored                the ill will that he did.        646 00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,135 You talk from two                  sides of your mouth!           647 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,370 One to the white,                  and one to the Black!          648 00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:37,108   Many people, as we all know,    rooted for Muhammad Ali openly  649 00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:38,443   because they saw him           650 00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:41,713  as a symbol of                   the anti-war movement,          651 00:29:41,813 --> 00:29:44,182   and wrongly,                     Joe Frazier was somehow cast   652 00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:46,351  as this darling of the          older white establishment        653 00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:47,952   in the United States.          654 00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:52,357    It's real difficult             for someone to say in public,  655 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:54,259   "I hate that                     nigga, Muhammad Ali,"          656 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,761 so Joe serves the purpose        657 00:29:56,895 --> 00:30:00,465  of camouflaging                 some of the racist ideas         658 00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:03,268  of certain individuals.         659 00:30:03,368 --> 00:30:05,170    Now, these people,             they don't give a shit          660 00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:06,304    about Joe Frazier.            661 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:07,739  The reality is,                 662 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,842   they like Joe                     because he's fighting Ali.    663 00:30:14,045 --> 00:30:14,546   Look at me, steady as a rock.  664 00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:17,148   Look at me, steady as a rock.  665 00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:20,251  To Joe, it was a battle          of, uh... really, of religion.  666 00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:24,189   He felt like he was destined     and called for that position.  667 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,725  Every person of                  note was at that fight,         668 00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:30,962  whether they were in politics,   entertainment, sports,          669 00:30:31,129 --> 00:30:32,130   you name it.                   670 00:30:32,297 --> 00:30:33,798    We know it's a big            fight when Frank Sinatra         671 00:30:33,932 --> 00:30:35,900  is a photographer at ringside.  672 00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:38,369 Yank Durham, his trainer,           told him before the fight,    673 00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:41,206   "You win this fight,             your life's set up forever."   674 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,141 It was truly the                   fight of the century.          675 00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,043   There hadn't                    been a fight like that,         676 00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:47,011  with that much                   magnitude, that much interest,  677 00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:48,880 in the history of boxing.        678 00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:52,350   [Slone] Joe once told me that  right before the fight with Ali, 679 00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,986   he was in the dressing room,    and he asked for some privacy,  680 00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,788   and he claims                     somebody came into the room   681 00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:58,389    and talked to him,            682 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,024 and, uh, he-he went out,         683 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:02,293 and he was upset                  with the security guy,          684 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:03,561    and he said, "Who was it?"    685 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:04,929  And the                         security guy assured him,        686 00:31:05,063 --> 00:31:06,431   "Nobody's been in that room."  687 00:31:06,564 --> 00:31:10,101  But Joe swore he got a           visit from a man wearing white, 688 00:31:10,235 --> 00:31:11,636  and he told me,                 he said, he said,                689 00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:12,937 "Rich," he said,                    "When I was in that room,"    690 00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:14,906  he said, uh, "God came to me."  691 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,409 He said, you know, like,         "God, can I ask you a question?" 692 00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:19,944    And God said, "Certainly."    693 00:31:20,078 --> 00:31:22,947  He said, uh, "If I kill            this motherfucker tonight,    694 00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:24,249   will you forgive me?"          695 00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:26,851   And he said,                    "The Lord said 'yes'."          696 00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:28,853    [announcer] The undisputed    697 00:31:28,953 --> 00:31:31,089  Heavyweight Championship          of the World.                  698 00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,125  [commentator] Muhammad            Ali in the red trunks.         699 00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:35,793 Joe Frazier in the green trunks. 700 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:36,928  They appear very light.         701 00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,330    [funky intro plays]           702 00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:42,967    Frazier will try to              bore in and catch this man.   703 00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:46,804    I don't think that Muhammad      was ready for the pressure.   704 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,573 [commentator] Joe                 keeps coming in!                705 00:31:48,706 --> 00:31:49,807   As he was attacking,           706 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,176  there were many                    different nuances,            707 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:53,278    and all the while,            708 00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,380 a big part of it                  was the head movement.          709 00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:05,290    [commentator] Ooh,               that must have hurt!          710 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,637   It is new for                   Muhammad not to be in control.  711 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:21,706 [commentator] If                  anybody is psyched here,        712 00:32:21,806 --> 00:32:23,608   it is not Joe Frazier.         713 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,109     Look at that hook!           714 00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,011 That night, that                 fight, Joe was possessed.        715 00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,280  [commentator] Frazier's           just laughing at him!          716 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:30,281  [bell ringing]                  717 00:32:30,381 --> 00:32:32,650     Round 11!                    718 00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,592    [commentator] That              one hurt, so did that!         719 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,366 [commentator] All                  right, this is the final round 720 00:32:48,499 --> 00:32:50,034     of the fight, and             what a fight it's been!         721 00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,408   [crowd roars]                  722 00:32:57,575 --> 00:32:58,910 The 15th-round knockdown?        723 00:32:59,043 --> 00:33:01,279  The coup de grâce, man.         724 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,948  [Bentt] Joe walks away,         725 00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:05,850    and I'm sure he's thinking,   726 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:09,487  "Am I a goddamn                  Uncle Tom now, nigga?"          727 00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:12,156    He said to me once            728 00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:15,460   he didn't realize how          much the correlation was         729 00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:17,862  between him using the left hook 730 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,530   and being his dad's left arm.  731 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:20,898    [Joe] My father, you know,    732 00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:22,800    he had one arm, and           I was his left-hand man,         733 00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:24,669  so therefore, I                 learned to use my left hand more 734 00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,070 than I did my right hand.        -Really?                         735 00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,239   [Joe] I would go in the woods  736 00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:31,042    and probably pull the saw,      you know anything about that?  737 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:35,179  The knockdown came from           a signature Joe Frazier move   738 00:33:35,313 --> 00:33:37,448    that nobody in the               sport has ever done better,   739 00:33:37,615 --> 00:33:38,850  and that's a double left hook.  740 00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:41,119   It's the most beautiful timed  741 00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:43,588 work-of-art shot you'll ever see 742 00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:45,723 in the history of boxing,        743 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:48,026 and Joe didn't get his just due, 744 00:33:48,126 --> 00:33:50,028   because Ali bounced back up.   745 00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:52,163  [Bernstein] In                     any other universe,           746 00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,333  that knockdown                   would be discussed as,          747 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,036    "Well, Joe Frazier              punctuates a big win           748 00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,805 with a knockdown                    in the 15th round."           749 00:34:00,905 --> 00:34:02,040   No, the narrative is,          750 00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:04,208  "How did he get                    up? It's amazing."            751 00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:06,878  We were sitting                   three rows ringside.           752 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,481 Boom! His back didn't even stay. 753 00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:12,216  Just, boom, he                   just come right back up         754 00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,585 and stood up, and                looked at him like that.         755 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,055   I said, "Okay. Okay."          756 00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:18,723   It's part of                     the bigger narrative           757 00:34:18,856 --> 00:34:20,058   that somehow                   758 00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:22,660 the achievements                  of Joe Frazier overall,         759 00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:24,562  and especially                    as it relates to Ali,          760 00:34:24,695 --> 00:34:25,997 kind of get overshadowed.        761 00:34:26,164 --> 00:34:27,432  [Joe speaking]                  762 00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:39,911 It's just hard to surpass        763 00:34:40,011 --> 00:34:43,314 what Muhammad Ali                  represents in 1971...          764 00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:45,183  -[bell ringing]                   -There it is!                  765 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:46,717    [cheering]                    766 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,754    ...so even                    though Joe won the fight,        767 00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:53,458 he's still cast in Ali's shadow. 768 00:34:53,558 --> 00:34:56,627   The winner by                     unanimous decision,           769 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,630    Joe Frazier!                  770 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,567    [Hand Jr.] Joe just           collapses in Yank's arms,        771 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,535 and he gives him a fatherly hug. 772 00:35:04,702 --> 00:35:07,405  It's a fatherly                 hug, not a trainer's hug.        773 00:35:07,638 --> 00:35:09,574   [♪♪♪]                          774 00:35:16,647 --> 00:35:18,282  [Slone] And the                    action was so good,           775 00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,184  I heard two people died          of heart attacks in the arena.  776 00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:22,086    People in Northern Ireland    that were having their troubles, 777 00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:23,721 apparently they stopped fighting 778 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:26,224   and watched the fight             on the same TV in the bars.   779 00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:27,859   It stopped the world.          780 00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:30,828 One of the things                   that people tend to forget    781 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:33,097   was that Joe won that fight.   782 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:35,099   That was the                      greatest fight of all time,   783 00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:36,634  and Joe Frazier won that fight. 784 00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:39,470 You think he was                    clownin'? He couldn't move!   785 00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:40,771 [press laughing]                 786 00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:42,707   All them body                   shots piling up on him.         787 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,609   One, two, three, it adds up.   788 00:35:44,742 --> 00:35:46,110 He would've died                 789 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:48,513 before he allowed                Muhammad Ali to beat him.        790 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:56,287 Joe actually had started         to have physical problems        791 00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:58,189   after the Jimmy Ellis fight.   792 00:35:58,322 --> 00:36:01,192    He had issues with              high blood pressure.           793 00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:08,799    [laughing]                    794 00:36:14,772 --> 00:36:15,773  The doc wanted to check me up.  795 00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:17,208 He checked me up                 796 00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:18,976   and find out that my            blood's a little high.          797 00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:20,311  I was with him the whole time.  798 00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:23,080  For two, three                   days, he was in there.          799 00:36:23,247 --> 00:36:25,183    I was watching his              blood pressure go up           800 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,417  and up and up.                  801 00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:28,753   I said if we                     got to 300 and some,           802 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,021  he would get a stroke.          803 00:36:30,154 --> 00:36:31,889 Muhammad Ali wins when he loses, 804 00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:33,357  because all the                  interviews afterwards,          805 00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:36,127   he's going, "Look at              me. Not a mark on my face.    806 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,962   Joe Frazier's all busted up."  807 00:36:38,095 --> 00:36:39,764  If you look at                  Frazier's face and look at mine, 808 00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:41,265  there's no comparison.          809 00:36:41,399 --> 00:36:43,701    I'm sure I hit him            three times more than he hit me, 810 00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:45,503  if you watch the film.          811 00:36:45,603 --> 00:36:48,839    Joe got much less enjoyment    from his time as World Champion 812 00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:50,341  than he would have had          813 00:36:50,474 --> 00:36:53,311   if Ali had painted a              different portrait of him.    814 00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:55,079  I feel like I'm                 ready to go, man.                815 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,181   I'm trying to get out          of here as fast as I can.        816 00:36:57,315 --> 00:36:58,449 Number one, he's ugly...         817 00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,518    [laughter]                    818 00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:01,752  [Hauser] It's a shame,          819 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,489   'cause Joe's                    experience was far more typical 820 00:37:05,623 --> 00:37:07,458   of the Black                     experience in America          821 00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:08,793    than Ali's,                   822 00:37:08,926 --> 00:37:11,028  and they should                 have been allies,                823 00:37:11,162 --> 00:37:12,964 rather than adversaries.         824 00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,534  And who told him he could sing? 825 00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:18,102  He got him a big band,          826 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,104   he started traveling             the world with his new title,  827 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,440    thinking that he's             gonna sell 'em all out.         828 00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:23,641   What is there to worry about?  829 00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:25,142    [laughing]                    830 00:37:25,276 --> 00:37:27,078   The fighting money's            good, the singing money's good. 831 00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:29,780    Look, and I can do             both of 'em. You know?          832 00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:31,349    Why should I let it go by?    833 00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:33,985  And I'm having                   fun while I'm doing it.         834 00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:35,386   Every time I                     would read the paper,          835 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,021 there's a Joe Frazier appearance 836 00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:38,489 in this place in England,        837 00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:41,025  the arena held                    10,000, 37 people showed up.   838 00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,526    [laughter]                    839 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,028    [Bentt] He's going            off on this concert tour,        840 00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:45,596  like, you know?                 841 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:49,033   And that to me is an            indication of, like, you know,  842 00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:52,069  he's not really                    being a disciplined soldier   843 00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:54,105    to his craft, man.            844 00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,440   [♪♪♪]                          845 00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:59,143 ♪ Girl, try to remember ♪        846 00:37:59,243 --> 00:38:00,711 [crowd cheering]                 847 00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:02,580   ♪ We've had issues ♪           848 00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:06,484    ♪ We stuck                       together Just me and you ♪    849 00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:08,552 [Bentt] A                        fighter's life is, uh...         850 00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:10,288    is brutal.                    851 00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:12,757   He was too courageous            to admit, you know, that, um,  852 00:38:12,923 --> 00:38:16,794    "I'm really not cut             out for this thing right now.  853 00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,329    I think I've hit my peak."    854 00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,999   Joe Frazier did what              he had to do for the world,   855 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,602   and that was                     quiet the butterfly.           856 00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,139 After '71, he was                 the people's champion,          857 00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,408  so he became the partying Joe.  858 00:38:30,574 --> 00:38:32,977  He was with people everywhere,  859 00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:35,212 drinking and having a good time. 860 00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:37,648 He had an eye for                   the ladies, always.           861 00:38:37,782 --> 00:38:40,051    He had some of the             prettiest women on the planet.  862 00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:41,519   [Averona Jr.] He loved women.  863 00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:43,888 He would go like                   this, "Oof, look at that, Bo.  864 00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:45,523 That's an                         18-wheeler over there."         865 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,525 That's what he would say because    she was built in the back.    866 00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:48,759  [Joe speaking]                  867 00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:01,939    [laughing]                    868 00:39:06,377 --> 00:39:08,045   [Averona Jr.] So when           his dad was running moonshine,  869 00:39:08,212 --> 00:39:09,447 Joe would be in the car,         870 00:39:09,547 --> 00:39:11,082 so he said, "We'd                 pull up to this place,"         871 00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:13,050 he goes, "And he                 had me waiting in the car        872 00:39:13,217 --> 00:39:14,719  for friggin' two hours,         873 00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,088 so one day, I got out of the car  and I sneaked up the driveway." 874 00:39:17,221 --> 00:39:18,389  He said, "I look in the window, 875 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:19,757   and I see him                  kissing a woman and all,         876 00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:22,326   that son of a                    gun! So I'd run back,          877 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:24,061 and I would hide                   in the car and wait."          878 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:25,629  And Rubin'd be                  gone for an hour or two,         879 00:39:25,763 --> 00:39:27,765 and then when Joe                  got of a certain age,          880 00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:31,068   he would, he would go             in and chase the daughter.    881 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:33,204    He said, "So after a while,   882 00:39:33,337 --> 00:39:35,106 I started                         kissing the daughters."         883 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,707    [laughs] It's a true story!   884 00:39:36,807 --> 00:39:38,809    He said, "I started            kissing the daughters."         885 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,747   [♪♪♪]                          886 00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:47,685    [Arum] Yank Durham               was an old-line boxing guy,   887 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:50,421  which meant that if you had the   Heavyweight Champion,          888 00:39:50,521 --> 00:39:52,156  you'd take easy fights          889 00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:55,459    and pick up                      whatever money's available.   890 00:39:55,593 --> 00:39:57,628   [commentator] Frazier             cutting him to ribbons now!   891 00:39:57,762 --> 00:39:59,430   The title is                     just, it's just here.          892 00:39:59,563 --> 00:40:00,998  You know what I                   mean? And I have it,           893 00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:03,534   so anybody would like             to try to take it from me,    894 00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:05,436  then these guys                    gonna have to challenge me,   895 00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:07,938   and these guys ain't            doing nothin' but making noise. 896 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,176 [Arum] The boxing                  organizations said "enough."   897 00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:16,313   Frazier had to fight           the number-one contender,        898 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,182  who was George Foreman.         899 00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,117  [blows thudding on bag]         900 00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:24,221    George Foreman, back then?    901 00:40:24,388 --> 00:40:26,424 Hoo! Was a beast.                902 00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:27,658    [reporter]                       Foreman is fresh and good.    903 00:40:27,792 --> 00:40:29,994  Frazier, since                     his bout with Ali,            904 00:40:30,127 --> 00:40:31,328  has only fought twice,          905 00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:32,596 and both of those                opponents were nobodies.         906 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:35,299  The old bromide                  that styles make fights         907 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,269   is never more                     evident than in this match.   908 00:40:38,402 --> 00:40:39,537   [Howard Cosell] Well,            they're trying                 909 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:40,905  to psych each other out.        910 00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,607  I expected Joe Frazier           to beat George Foreman.         911 00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:46,343   [Cosell] We may have            an interesting evening.         912 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:48,479   Frazier, quite                    understandably the favorite.  913 00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:51,015 [Bentt] When George comes         out and makes that first swing, 914 00:40:51,148 --> 00:40:53,617 that is saying, "Hey, I'm here." 915 00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:56,720   [Cosell] There is no            fear in George Foreman.         916 00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:58,889   That's a lie.                   He's terrified of Joe.          917 00:40:59,023 --> 00:41:00,758  The one guy I'd                 gotten into the ring with        918 00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:03,294 that I was really                 frightened of was Joe Frazier,  919 00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:04,595 because I'd followed his career. 920 00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:06,130   I'd seen him                    stand up to everybody.          921 00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:07,765  You hit him hard, he liked it.  922 00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:10,835 Foreman had this                 strategy of pushing Frazier off. 923 00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,071 He was physically                 strong enough to do it.         924 00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,309  When George was                 pushing Joe away,                925 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,578   he's upsetting Joe's balance.  926 00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:24,315   So many times in that           fight, and it didn't last long, 927 00:41:24,448 --> 00:41:25,649   you'd see a left hook          928 00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:27,818 4whistle past the                 head of Foreman, short.         929 00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:30,421 [Cosell] I think                    he hurt Joe Frazier!          930 00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:32,623    I think Joe is hurt!          931 00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:34,124   We're driving                     in the car, I said,           932 00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:35,693   "Say, champ,                     tell me what happened          933 00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,194 when you fought George Foreman." 934 00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,997 He said, "He hit                  me and my legs shook."          935 00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:41,398   [man] Frazier's hurt!          936 00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:43,000  [Cosell] Angie Dundee,            Ali's trainer,                 937 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,568    right next to me is             saying, and you may hear him-- 938 00:41:44,702 --> 00:41:46,604     Down goes Frazier!           939 00:41:46,704 --> 00:41:50,174     Down goes                       Frazier! Down goes Frazier!   940 00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:51,609   "Down goes Frazier!"           941 00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:53,410    "So I tried                     everything I could," he said.  942 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:54,979  "The man hit like TNT."         943 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,882    [Cosell] Foreman is             all over Joe Frazier.          944 00:41:57,982 --> 00:42:01,285  Frazier is down                  again, and he may be...         945 00:42:01,418 --> 00:42:03,354     oh, he is rising.            946 00:42:03,487 --> 00:42:04,889  Getting hit on                     the chin like that            947 00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:08,392  is tantamount to having           your... a computer unplugged.  948 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,061 He was still functional,         but he was like a zombie.        949 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,397   [Cosell] Two                     knock-downs in the first round 950 00:42:13,497 --> 00:42:14,999  of Joe Frazier.                 951 00:42:15,132 --> 00:42:16,033    Down again!                   952 00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,401   Oh, saved by the bell!         953 00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:18,836  [Joe speaking]                  954 00:42:23,307 --> 00:42:25,175    [Cosell] Frazier's              knees buckled.                 955 00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:26,744  He is-- oh, he is down!         956 00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:29,880     He is down for the               fourth time in the fight!    957 00:42:33,517 --> 00:42:35,653   Foreman had the perfect style  958 00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:39,290 to beat a                         fighter of Joe's style.         959 00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:40,424  He was too big.                 960 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,359 [Cosell] It is over. It is over. 961 00:42:42,526 --> 00:42:43,961   George Foreman                 962 00:42:44,094 --> 00:42:47,031    is the Heavyweight Champion     of the World!                  963 00:42:47,197 --> 00:42:49,066  They could've fought ten times, 964 00:42:49,166 --> 00:42:52,169    and George probably             would've won all ten.          965 00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:53,370   [Durham] Just                     one of those things.          966 00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,705 Joe got fogged with a good shot, 967 00:42:54,872 --> 00:42:56,507   and no fighter, I don't think, 968 00:42:56,674 --> 00:42:57,575     no man would have                stood up under that shot.    969 00:42:57,675 --> 00:42:58,842   Getting up six times           970 00:42:59,009 --> 00:43:00,611    after being                    knocked down six times?         971 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,179   That's courage, man,           972 00:43:02,313 --> 00:43:04,048  and we have to                     admire that in Joe,           973 00:43:04,181 --> 00:43:05,416  because he was willing to die.  974 00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:07,418   [Cosell] You                   going to seek a rematch?         975 00:43:07,551 --> 00:43:08,719   Yeah, I would like to fight,   976 00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:10,087 or, you know, get                   a rematch with him.           977 00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:12,623    Styles make fights.           978 00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:15,025  I think styles                  have a lot to do with it,        979 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,461    but then, after he            had beaten Muhammad Ali,         980 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,496    there was not much              left of Joe Frazier.           981 00:43:19,663 --> 00:43:21,298  If I had fought                  him two years earlier,          982 00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:22,967 it wouldn't have been like that. 983 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,702  I didn't fight                    the best Joe Frazier.          984 00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:26,537  Believe me, he wasn't the best. 985 00:43:26,704 --> 00:43:28,172 What we know now                 986 00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:32,576   is that, uh, Joe had started   to slack off in training.        987 00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:34,378   Lee Grant was                  here, God rest his soul,         988 00:43:34,511 --> 00:43:36,113   he was Joe's                      driver and his dear friend,   989 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:39,183  and he said to me, "Bo,          don't listen to a word he said, 990 00:43:39,316 --> 00:43:41,719 because two weeks                before the George Foreman fight, 991 00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:43,754  he was hanging                     out with this one,            992 00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:45,623   and that one,                    you know what I mean?          993 00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:47,992  so he didn't take him serious." 994 00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:49,560 "Oh, yes, I did!"                995 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:50,928    And they started to           get into it a little bit,        996 00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:51,829  like with one another.          997 00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:53,364    He didn't make any excuses,   998 00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:55,699    and he gave                    George all the respect.         999 00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:03,374 Yeah, "Down goes                   Frazier! Down goes Frazier!"   1000 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,276  That was the...                 call of the West.                1001 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:07,544   "Down goes Frazier!"           1002 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,480   I mean, "Hey,                    come on. Relax, man.           1003 00:44:09,613 --> 00:44:10,547    That's... that's not cool."   1004 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,049 Joe was a sensitive guy.         1005 00:44:12,182 --> 00:44:14,184 You know, he had                   feelings like everybody else.  1006 00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:16,020    [Cosell] Down goes Frazier!   1007 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,790     Down goes                       Frazier! Down goes Frazier!   1008 00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:21,792   [newscaster] Sad news           from the world of sport.        1009 00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:24,828    Yank Durham,                    long-time trainer and manager  1010 00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:28,632    of former World Heavyweight   Champion Joe Frazier, has died.  1011 00:44:28,732 --> 00:44:30,968     Durham suffered a               stroke two days ago,          1012 00:44:31,068 --> 00:44:34,505 and passed away this morning at     Temple University Hospital.   1013 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:37,107    He was 52 years old.          1014 00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:38,409 [Joe] I really don't know        1015 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:39,710  where to go and what to do now. 1016 00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,845  He said that he                   was gonna let me know          1017 00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:45,516  when he think it's time            for me to retire, so, uh...   1018 00:44:45,649 --> 00:44:48,552    I'm very relieved that, uh,   1019 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,387   he will come                     back and let me know,          1020 00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,189   you know, in a dream,          1021 00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:53,924 uh, what to do from here.        1022 00:44:58,662 --> 00:45:00,431    [Hand Sr.]                     When Yank Durham died,          1023 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:01,665 it was real easy                 1024 00:45:01,799 --> 00:45:04,134  for Eddie Futch                 to just slide in.                1025 00:45:04,268 --> 00:45:05,502   [Bernstein] There are          1026 00:45:05,602 --> 00:45:07,638   a half dozen                    trainers in the sport of boxing 1027 00:45:07,771 --> 00:45:09,339   that reach legendary status.   1028 00:45:09,473 --> 00:45:11,041  Eddie Futch was                   one of those people.           1029 00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:13,677    [Hand Sr.] If you couldn't       get along with Eddie Futch,   1030 00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,679 you didn't belong in this world. 1031 00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:18,115  He was really,                     really a nice guy.            1032 00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,652    I would say, as of             now, uh, both of us have lost,  1033 00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:24,154 and now we going                    back to each other            1034 00:45:24,288 --> 00:45:26,323   to determine who's the best.   1035 00:45:26,423 --> 00:45:28,125   The second Ali-Frazier fight   1036 00:45:28,258 --> 00:45:30,594    was certainly less               anticipated than the first.   1037 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:32,830  Neither guy was                   champion at the time.          1038 00:45:32,996 --> 00:45:35,132 It was 12 rounds, not 15.        1039 00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,067  Ali-Frazier II                  1040 00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:39,536    is sort of like The              Godfather: Part III.          1041 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:41,071 it's easily forgettable.         1042 00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:44,007 [Cosell] That was almost            three years ago, Muhammad,    1043 00:45:44,174 --> 00:45:44,742   and you lost.                  1044 00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,844 White people say I lost.         1045 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,345   And that's some white people.  1046 00:45:48,445 --> 00:45:50,614   All Black people know I won.   1047 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,685   Ali put all sorts of            very ugly labels on him         1048 00:45:54,785 --> 00:45:57,855   that Joe was                     never able to shake.           1049 00:45:57,955 --> 00:45:59,790 [Bernstein] When                    they both got in the studio   1050 00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:01,058    with Howard Cosell,           1051 00:46:01,225 --> 00:46:04,528  and Ali created                   the mayhem he created          1052 00:46:04,628 --> 00:46:07,464  playing on Joe's raw emotions,  1053 00:46:07,631 --> 00:46:08,999  that ignited the fight,         1054 00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:11,502    and it ignited the             interest in the fight.          1055 00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:12,936  Stand up, man!                  1056 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,272  -Set down, Joe.                   -Why you think I'm ignorant?   1057 00:46:15,372 --> 00:46:16,640  -Set down, Joe!                   -Huh?                          1058 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,008    -Set down.                      -Why you think I'm ignorant?   1059 00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,676  -The brothers are here.         -You in this too?                1060 00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:22,146   Set down quick, Joe!           1061 00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:25,682   It's a great                   piece of, uh, television.        1062 00:46:25,816 --> 00:46:27,251 [Cosell] There is                 no question in my mind          1063 00:46:27,417 --> 00:46:30,053 that Joe Frazier                 is not clowning.                 1064 00:46:30,154 --> 00:46:32,823   [Bentt] When you hurt          somebody who looked out for you, 1065 00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:36,360 tried to, um, get                  your license back for you...   1066 00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:38,829 Come on, brother. Really?        1067 00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:41,665    I would say to Joe,            "Joe, you, you pay him no mind, 1068 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,635 he's just talkin'                shit because that's Ali.         1069 00:46:44,768 --> 00:46:45,936    He wants to get your goat."   1070 00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:47,671   He says, "I'm                     gonna get his goat.           1071 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,306 I'm gonna get his                  goat. I'm gonna get his goat.  1072 00:46:49,406 --> 00:46:50,607 I'm gonna get his goat."         1073 00:46:50,774 --> 00:46:51,775  [bell ringing]                  1074 00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:53,177 [Cosell] The bell for round one, 1075 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:54,545     the action begins.           1076 00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:56,013    [Bentt] The                   second Ali-Frazier fight,        1077 00:46:56,113 --> 00:46:58,482 there was a ghost                   standing right next to Joe,   1078 00:46:58,615 --> 00:46:59,683  and that ghost                  1079 00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,352  was the person                     who was knocked out           1080 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,321    at the hands of Big George.   1081 00:47:04,421 --> 00:47:05,689    It's not easy to overcome.    1082 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:07,391   [Cosell] And                     that was a good right!         1083 00:47:07,524 --> 00:47:08,425  Joe was staggered there.        1084 00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:10,160  Ali shook Joe.                  1085 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:13,263    Referee Tony Perez               thought he heard the bell.    1086 00:47:13,397 --> 00:47:16,133    [Cosell] Referee Tony Perez    separates the fighters,         1087 00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:19,469  calls for the end of the        round, but I didn't hear a bell. 1088 00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:20,637  Then the fight resumed,         1089 00:47:20,771 --> 00:47:22,372   and there was talk afterwards  1090 00:47:22,472 --> 00:47:23,974 that Ali                         would've knocked Joe out         1091 00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:26,443  if Perez hadn't                    made that mistake.            1092 00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,378    No, I mean,                     let's do the numbers,          1093 00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:30,447   41 rounds of boxing,           1094 00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:33,650  and Ali never knocked Joe down. 1095 00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:35,085  [Joe speaking]                  1096 00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:44,494     The fight is about to end,   1097 00:47:44,628 --> 00:47:46,063  and it is over!                 1098 00:47:46,163 --> 00:47:49,299   Muhammad Ali has won the fight 1099 00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,968  on a unanimous decision!        1100 00:47:51,101 --> 00:47:52,903   I don't think                   that was that far off.          1101 00:47:53,003 --> 00:47:54,438   You know what I mean?          1102 00:47:54,605 --> 00:47:56,139   I would say I fought.          1103 00:47:56,273 --> 00:47:58,008  I throw a more                   effective punch anyway,         1104 00:47:58,141 --> 00:48:01,879  so I, I got no                   argument about nothin'.         1105 00:48:02,012 --> 00:48:04,414   You ever hear                     Joe Frazier crying?           1106 00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:05,849   Stand-up guy.                  1107 00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:07,150   George was the champ,          1108 00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:09,319 so Ali-Frazier II                1109 00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:11,989   was more for bragging rights   1110 00:48:12,089 --> 00:48:14,458 and the right to                    fight George Foreman next.    1111 00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:16,159    George Foreman was just...    1112 00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:19,162   it's hard to convey to people     just how he was demolishing   1113 00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:21,732    individuals who got             in the ring with him.          1114 00:48:21,865 --> 00:48:25,602 Both Joe Frazier                 and Ken Norton beat Ali,         1115 00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:29,206    and George Foreman              barely broke a sweat.          1116 00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:31,341   When I fought                   Muhammad Ali in Africa,         1117 00:48:31,508 --> 00:48:34,077 fear had all just disintegrated. 1118 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,780  I had no longer                  any fear for anything.          1119 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,349   This was gonna be the          easiest fight of my life.        1120 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,088 When Joe Frazier                    fought Muhammad Ali           1121 00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:46,390 in Madison Square Garden,        1122 00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:47,891 he would've died                 1123 00:48:47,991 --> 00:48:50,093 before he allowed                Muhammad Ali to beat him.        1124 00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,162   When I fought                   Muhammad Ali in Africa,         1125 00:48:52,296 --> 00:48:55,132    I fought a                    Joe Frazier reincarnate.         1126 00:49:05,909 --> 00:49:08,045  [crowd roaring]                 1127 00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,683   And so while Ali has           regained the mountaintop,        1128 00:49:12,816 --> 00:49:15,686  Joe is almost,                     I think, forgotten,           1129 00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:17,287    but you have their rivalry.   1130 00:49:17,421 --> 00:49:18,689  It's mythical.                  1131 00:49:18,822 --> 00:49:20,857   It's... it's                   literary. It's cinematic.        1132 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,192  Joe Frazier had kind of         1133 00:49:22,326 --> 00:49:23,527   rehabilitated                    himself a little bit.          1134 00:49:23,694 --> 00:49:25,295  He beat Quarry. He beat Ellis.  1135 00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:27,030   That got Frazier back          1136 00:49:27,164 --> 00:49:30,033 in a position where they          could sell the third Ali fight. 1137 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,236  These two men and their           styles were so compelling...   1138 00:49:33,403 --> 00:49:34,504 [crowd cheering]                 1139 00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:36,406   ...that people had in           the back of their mind,         1140 00:49:36,506 --> 00:49:39,242   "Wow, this is still something    we should pay attention to."   1141 00:49:39,409 --> 00:49:40,711   Without Joe Frazier,           1142 00:49:40,844 --> 00:49:43,613 there wouldn't have been no Ali. 1143 00:49:49,219 --> 00:49:51,822 Imagine if, after winning        the Rumble in the Jungle,        1144 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:53,090   Ali says, "I'm done."          1145 00:49:53,223 --> 00:49:54,925    That's a perfect narrative,   1146 00:49:55,058 --> 00:49:56,793    but, you know, life             doesn't really work that way,  1147 00:49:56,927 --> 00:49:59,796   so Ali-Frazier one more time.  1148 00:49:59,930 --> 00:50:01,732   [Ali] Here's the way              he looks when you hit him.    1149 00:50:01,898 --> 00:50:03,734  Come on, gorilla! We in Manila! 1150 00:50:03,867 --> 00:50:05,869    [laughter]                    1151 00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:08,271  Ali's treatment of Joe Frazier, 1152 00:50:08,405 --> 00:50:10,574  the demeaning portrayal of Joe, 1153 00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,709 hurt a lot more people than Joe. 1154 00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:13,844    It involved                   1155 00:50:13,977 --> 00:50:16,013   a lot of unfortunate comments  1156 00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:18,782    around his                     appearance, his intelligence... 1157 00:50:18,915 --> 00:50:22,486 the sort of thing                that racist white people         1158 00:50:22,586 --> 00:50:24,688   would say perhaps in private   1159 00:50:24,821 --> 00:50:26,723   about a Black person,          1160 00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:28,158  Ali's saying in public.         1161 00:50:28,291 --> 00:50:29,693   I'm gon' keep                    this gorilla with me           1162 00:50:29,826 --> 00:50:31,495    every day until the fight.    1163 00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:34,197   It reinforced                  1164 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:38,902 the stereotypical                view that some people had        1165 00:50:39,002 --> 00:50:40,937 of Black people,                 1166 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,540 slow-moving, shuffling...        1167 00:50:43,673 --> 00:50:47,144 [mumbling unintelligibly]        1168 00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:52,182    [Don King] This is              indeed a proud moment for me   1169 00:50:52,315 --> 00:50:53,483  to welcome the                     people of the world           1170 00:50:53,617 --> 00:50:55,285   to the saga of our lifetime,   1171 00:50:55,419 --> 00:50:56,887  Superfight III,                 1172 00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:58,288  the Thrilla in Manila.          1173 00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:01,158   [Arum] The Marcoses,           who ran the Philippines,         1174 00:51:01,324 --> 00:51:02,592    knew nothing about boxing.    1175 00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:05,762  They wanted Ali                   specifically in a big fight,   1176 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,165  because they had a big problem  1177 00:51:08,298 --> 00:51:12,736   with the Muslims in Mindanao,  1178 00:51:12,836 --> 00:51:15,505  and they felt that they            could calm everything down    1179 00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:19,643   if they brought over              this great Muslim to fight    1180 00:51:19,776 --> 00:51:21,178    in the Philippines.           1181 00:51:21,311 --> 00:51:23,547 The fighter that                 they wanted him to fight         1182 00:51:23,647 --> 00:51:25,182 was Joe Frazier.                 1183 00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:36,793 [Don Dunphy] And                     here's Joe Frazier           1184 00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:38,228   coming into the ring.          1185 00:51:38,361 --> 00:51:41,031   [Hauser] The feeling            was that Joe was shot,          1186 00:51:41,164 --> 00:51:44,101 that Ali'll dance                 around for eight, nine rounds,  1187 00:51:44,201 --> 00:51:45,335  knock Joe out,                  1188 00:51:45,469 --> 00:51:47,137  and will go on                     to the next fight.            1189 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,006 [Dunphy] It's 15                   rounds, and here is round one! 1190 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,208    [Bernstein]                     The Thrilla in Manila          1191 00:51:51,341 --> 00:51:52,709    was a fight in three parts.   1192 00:51:52,809 --> 00:51:53,810   The first part of the fight,   1193 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:55,145    it looked for all the world   1194 00:51:55,245 --> 00:51:58,381 like Ali was exposing Joe        1195 00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:01,151 as a fighter who                 just had lost his ability        1196 00:52:01,251 --> 00:52:04,087   to fight in the upper echelon    of the Heavyweight Division.   1197 00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:07,591 Muhammad was handling Joe        for three rounds, four rounds... 1198 00:52:07,691 --> 00:52:08,825 [crowd shouting]                 1199 00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:10,927 ...and then, all                    of a sudden, boom!            1200 00:52:11,061 --> 00:52:12,395  [crowd erupts]                  1201 00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:15,165    I don't think I've               ever seen a sporting event    1202 00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:17,167   turn as dramatically           1203 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,169   as that fight turned            in those middle rounds.         1204 00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,937  Frazier is very strong!         1205 00:52:21,071 --> 00:52:24,274 [crowd shouting]                 1206 00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:31,114    Joe came into that            fight fueled by absolute hatred. 1207 00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:32,616 Ali took more punishment         1208 00:52:32,782 --> 00:52:35,852   than I think anybody              would ever be able to take.   1209 00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,122    Joe Frazier                   landed hellacious shots,         1210 00:52:39,256 --> 00:52:41,124  and somehow Ali withstood them. 1211 00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:44,327 All of a sudden,                  the fight turned again,         1212 00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:47,330    because Joe Frazier             just ran out of gas.           1213 00:52:48,198 --> 00:52:50,333 [Dunphy] And Ali                     is scoring on him.           1214 00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:52,102   He had vision                   problems in both eyes,          1215 00:52:52,235 --> 00:52:54,938 and Ali, as exhausted as he was, 1216 00:52:55,071 --> 00:52:59,876 was able to summon up the energy   to land those straight shots   1217 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,645 as Frazier was coming in,        1218 00:53:01,778 --> 00:53:03,713   and the Frazier head movement  was less than it had been        1219 00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,115   earlier in the fight.          1220 00:53:05,215 --> 00:53:07,083   13th round, Joe can't          see out of his left eye.         1221 00:53:07,217 --> 00:53:10,287  Muhammad was trying to           cement, you know, the victory,  1222 00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,923  throws a right hand...          1223 00:53:13,056 --> 00:53:15,659   Joe's mouthpiece goes flying.  1224 00:53:15,792 --> 00:53:17,661 [crowd shouting]                 1225 00:53:19,563 --> 00:53:21,631   Essentially,                     it's target practice.          1226 00:53:22,465 --> 00:53:24,100  There's a moment in the corner  1227 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,002    where Joe drinks the water    1228 00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:27,804 and spits the water out,         1229 00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:31,441 and the water is completely red. 1230 00:53:33,076 --> 00:53:34,477  It's not water                    anymore, it's blood.           1231 00:53:34,644 --> 00:53:37,847  Eddie Futch had                    let the fight go on           1232 00:53:37,981 --> 00:53:39,249   after the 13th round           1233 00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,952 in the hope that                   things might change.           1234 00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:42,953   They didn't.                   1235 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,288 [crowd shouting]                 1236 00:53:46,856 --> 00:53:48,225 [Dunphy] Frazier is hurt.        1237 00:53:48,358 --> 00:53:51,628    He was getting hit               again and again and again.    1238 00:53:51,795 --> 00:53:53,196 [crowd shouting]                 1239 00:53:55,966 --> 00:53:58,535   After the 14th round,          1240 00:53:58,668 --> 00:54:01,838 Ali and Joe went                  back to their corners.          1241 00:54:01,938 --> 00:54:04,941  [bell ringing]                  1242 00:54:05,108 --> 00:54:08,812 Both men had been... brutalized. 1243 00:54:08,945 --> 00:54:10,647  Uh, Joe was getting hit         1244 00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:13,350    by punches that he              couldn't see coming.           1245 00:54:17,954 --> 00:54:22,092    [Dunphy] The doctor             comes up and looks at Frazier. 1246 00:54:22,225 --> 00:54:24,060    I think it's gonna be over!   1247 00:54:24,194 --> 00:54:28,665   In the most difficult           moment to stop a fight,         1248 00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:32,035   on the biggest stage           you could possibly have,         1249 00:54:32,202 --> 00:54:34,904    Eddie Futch had the              courage of his convictions    1250 00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:36,273   to realize Joe was in trouble  1251 00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:40,076 and in danger of                    being hurt, badly.            1252 00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:41,444  [Joe speaking]                  1253 00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:51,154  [Dunphy] It's all over!         1254 00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:52,922    [cheering]                    1255 00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:55,558 [Boyd] One can't stand up        1256 00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:57,627    and one can't see.            1257 00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:09,973   Whew.                          1258 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,208    Oh, my god.                   1259 00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:15,011 That's a                           supremely human moment, man.   1260 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,515   We can see the child in Joe.   1261 00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:23,086   We can see the lover in Joe,   1262 00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:25,322 the beast in Joe,                1263 00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:28,992    and we can see the            human hurt animal in Joe.        1264 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,561   [♪♪♪]                          1265 00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:35,231    [Bernstein]                     Eddie Futch called the fight   1266 00:55:35,365 --> 00:55:38,635 because he just couldn't          see Joe Frazier continuing on.  1267 00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:41,071  While it wasn't                 popular with Joe Frazier,        1268 00:55:41,237 --> 00:55:42,372  and Joe had difficulty with it, 1269 00:55:42,472 --> 00:55:44,474  Eddie Futch, he                    never felt regret,            1270 00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:46,776    because he knew it             was the right decision.         1271 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:55,518   [Prince] That                    night, Marvis was in Manila.   1272 00:55:55,652 --> 00:55:57,887  Muhammad called                  Marvis into his dressing room,  1273 00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:01,491    and when Marvis got              the apology from Muhammad,    1274 00:56:01,658 --> 00:56:03,226  "Tell your dad                    he's a great champion          1275 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,561 and a great man,                 1276 00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,129   and I said everything I said   1277 00:56:06,262 --> 00:56:07,630  just to promote                 these incredible fights,"        1278 00:56:07,764 --> 00:56:09,733 Marvis came running back           into his dad's dressing room   1279 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:10,700   to tell him,                   1280 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,735 and Joe lost it,                 1281 00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:14,204  and said, "You                   ain't Joe Frazier, son.         1282 00:56:14,337 --> 00:56:16,706  Why ain't he apologize to me?"  1283 00:56:16,806 --> 00:56:18,375 But he is great.                 1284 00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:21,378  I don't know no                    other fighter today           1285 00:56:21,478 --> 00:56:23,880  besides myself                  1286 00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:25,782 who can beat Joe Frazier.        1287 00:56:25,915 --> 00:56:27,617 Going beyond the result,         1288 00:56:27,717 --> 00:56:31,087    which says                       "KO-14" in the record book,   1289 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,789 you could almost                    look at that fight,           1290 00:56:32,922 --> 00:56:34,491    on some very primal level,    1291 00:56:34,657 --> 00:56:35,759    as a draw.                    1292 00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:40,497   I don't think                     there were any... winners.    1293 00:56:40,663 --> 00:56:42,565 It was the bull and the matador. 1294 00:56:42,699 --> 00:56:45,735   It was... everything            anybody could ever want         1295 00:56:45,835 --> 00:56:47,303   in a combat.                   1296 00:56:47,437 --> 00:56:50,240  These guys were                   made for each other.           1297 00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:51,441    You look at Manila,           1298 00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:53,143 and it's an advertisement        1299 00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,546  for everything                  that's best about boxing,        1300 00:56:56,646 --> 00:56:59,449  and also for everything            that's worst about boxing.    1301 00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:05,455  They both left                  everything in that 20-foot ring. 1302 00:57:05,555 --> 00:57:06,723   [Boyd] Going forward,          1303 00:57:06,823 --> 00:57:09,592   life for Ali,                    life for Joe Frazier           1304 00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:10,994  will never be the same.         1305 00:57:11,127 --> 00:57:13,663    They're beyond their prime.   1306 00:57:13,797 --> 00:57:16,065  It's not going to be glamorous  1307 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,034  and celebratory                 1308 00:57:18,134 --> 00:57:19,436 and spectacular.                 1309 00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:22,772   They end that                    fight as two old men.          1310 00:57:30,313 --> 00:57:31,881 Joe fought Foreman again.        1311 00:57:32,048 --> 00:57:34,684 They didn't even                    sell all the tickets there.   1312 00:57:34,818 --> 00:57:37,220   [Cosell] Look what he's done!  1313 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,323   He's shaved his head!          1314 00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,325   "Champ, what                    happened in the second fight?"  1315 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,028   He says, "The second            fight, I trained to kill him."  1316 00:57:45,161 --> 00:57:46,896 I said, "Smoke, I'm telling you, 1317 00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:50,033   when I watched you fight him,    your midsection was thicker."  1318 00:57:50,166 --> 00:57:52,902  "No, Bo, my weight was          right." I said, "Smoke, listen." 1319 00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:59,209   [Cosell] Joe Frazier weighed   in at a surprising 224.5 pounds, 1320 00:57:59,342 --> 00:58:03,179   eight and a half more            pounds than he's ever carried. 1321 00:58:09,752 --> 00:58:11,321   "Then, when I                    stepped in the ring,           1322 00:58:11,454 --> 00:58:15,225    I looked at                    him, and I backed up."          1323 00:58:15,358 --> 00:58:17,227 Joe Frazier never                  backs up in a fight.           1324 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,428   He said, "On                    that particular night,          1325 00:58:18,561 --> 00:58:19,929    I was backing up, waiting,    1326 00:58:20,063 --> 00:58:21,664  'cause I didn't want to            get hit with them punches."   1327 00:58:21,798 --> 00:58:23,967 [Cosell] Frazier                     against the ropes.           1328 00:58:24,067 --> 00:58:25,368 [crowd cheering]                 1329 00:58:25,502 --> 00:58:28,972    Foreman was                    absolutely devastating          1330 00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:32,876   when he fought a smaller guy.  1331 00:58:38,681 --> 00:58:40,984 [Cosell] Frazier,                  trying to fight back.          1332 00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:44,888  I knew what Joe                 was going through                1333 00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,389    when he was                    fighting with one eye,          1334 00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:47,924  why he stayed so close to him.  1335 00:58:48,057 --> 00:58:51,160  I know how Joe Frazier           passes eye tests, too.          1336 00:58:51,327 --> 00:58:53,229 He's the one who                  told me how to pass it.         1337 00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:55,632   [Cosell] One                      right hurts Frazier.          1338 00:58:55,765 --> 00:58:57,867  Frazier! Frazier's down!        1339 00:58:57,967 --> 00:58:59,536  [crowd roaring]                 1340 00:58:59,702 --> 00:59:02,672   Frazier is down from a right!  1341 00:59:02,772 --> 00:59:05,642    He said, "You don't            switch eyes, you switch hands.  1342 00:59:05,775 --> 00:59:07,844   I would cover with this hand,  1343 00:59:07,944 --> 00:59:09,445   then when you                     say, 'switch eyes,'           1344 00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,314   I would switch hands,          1345 00:59:11,447 --> 00:59:13,550  and the doctor                  would never say nothin'."        1346 00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:16,152 [Cosell] Frazier                   taking it from George Foreman! 1347 00:59:16,252 --> 00:59:17,287   Foreman kno--                  1348 00:59:17,453 --> 00:59:18,922   Foreman again with the right!  1349 00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:21,824     The second                    knockdown in the round.         1350 00:59:21,991 --> 00:59:22,892    [chuckling]                   1351 00:59:26,496 --> 00:59:28,264    [laughing]                    1352 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,736   [Cosell] Harold Valan           says the fight is over!         1353 00:59:33,836 --> 00:59:36,005  Frazier as game as ever,        1354 00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:37,740    but now, inevitably,          1355 00:59:37,874 --> 00:59:41,811     the boxing career              over for Joe Frazier.          1356 00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:44,681 Joe Frazier would                  want to be remembered          1357 00:59:44,847 --> 00:59:46,749    as a great World Champion,    1358 00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:49,118   the people's                      champion. He loved people.    1359 00:59:49,218 --> 00:59:50,553 His heart                        1360 00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:53,356 was as big as the                 Empire State Building.          1361 00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:56,025    I'm pleased                    with, with Joe Frazier,         1362 00:59:56,192 --> 00:59:57,260 and I'm pleased with the public, 1363 00:59:57,393 --> 00:59:59,362    and pleased with the plan,    1364 00:59:59,495 --> 01:00:01,931 and, uh, I think,                1365 01:00:02,065 --> 01:00:05,501   for the consideration             that you have for me, uh...   1366 01:00:05,635 --> 01:00:07,904  I think that it's time            for me to put it on the wall,  1367 01:00:08,071 --> 01:00:11,174   and go ahead and just           boogie, boogie, boogie.         1368 01:00:11,307 --> 01:00:14,477   [funk music playing]           1369 01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,080 [engine revving]                 1370 01:00:19,082 --> 01:00:21,951   [♪♪♪]                          1371 01:00:24,754 --> 01:00:26,689  [instrumental playing]          1372 01:00:26,823 --> 01:00:28,625    [Hand Jr.] In 1978,           1373 01:00:28,758 --> 01:00:30,960  I would've been                   a junior in college,           1374 01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:33,963   in a small school in              Northeastern Pennsylvania,    1375 01:00:34,097 --> 01:00:37,900  and Joe was singing at a lounge    in Scranton, Pennsylvania,    1376 01:00:38,034 --> 01:00:39,902    so, uh, of course,            all my friends were like,        1377 01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:41,804 "Are you kidding                  me? Yes, we're coming,"         1378 01:00:41,938 --> 01:00:43,606 and that                           commercial had just come out,  1379 01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:45,208    the Miller Lite commercial.   1380 01:00:45,341 --> 01:00:48,244    ♪ When you order a               beer Do like Smokin' Joe ♪    1381 01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:49,612  ♪ Order Lite beer from Miller ♪ 1382 01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:51,481    ♪ And say no more ♪           1383 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,650    Joe starts                     singing a couple songs,         1384 01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,119   and I guess during a              break, somebody yells out,    1385 01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:57,286 "Do the Miller Lite commercial!" 1386 01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:58,755 And he goes, "All right."        1387 01:00:58,888 --> 01:01:00,356  ♪ 'Cause Lite's less filling ♪  1388 01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:03,393    ♪ Hey, that                    really knocks me out! ♪         1389 01:01:03,493 --> 01:01:04,861   Before the end of the night,   1390 01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:05,995   he probably sang that           Miller Lite commercial,         1391 01:01:06,095 --> 01:01:07,764 like, 15 times...                1392 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:09,232    [cheering]                    1393 01:01:09,365 --> 01:01:11,000   ...and then sat down             with all my college buddies,   1394 01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:13,102    and drank beer with           us the rest of the night,        1395 01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:14,837    and we'd go, "Joe,              sing that commercial again."   1396 01:01:14,937 --> 01:01:16,372   ♪ Lite tastes great ♪          1397 01:01:16,472 --> 01:01:17,740  [Hand Jr.] And                  he'd sing the commercial,        1398 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,442  and he made my                    friends that night, you know,  1399 01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:20,777 feel that if they                  were friends of mine,          1400 01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:22,779 they were                        friends of Joe Frazier's,        1401 01:01:22,912 --> 01:01:25,181 and, uh, that's why I loved him. 1402 01:01:25,314 --> 01:01:28,418   [funk intro playing]           1403 01:01:28,584 --> 01:01:30,086 [Barbara St. Lee]                   In the early 1980s,           1404 01:01:30,219 --> 01:01:32,588   I got to work                  with Smokin' Joe Frazier         1405 01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:34,724   as a Knockout singer,          1406 01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,526 and it was a real thrill.        1407 01:01:36,659 --> 01:01:38,761   I'm still riding on a cloud.   1408 01:01:39,962 --> 01:01:41,731  I know a lot of                    people used to say,           1409 01:01:41,831 --> 01:01:43,266   "Oh, Joe can't sing,"          1410 01:01:43,399 --> 01:01:45,134  but when you went to the show,  1411 01:01:45,268 --> 01:01:47,970 and saw that this                 man was really singing,         1412 01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,773    and he was                    really expressing himself        1413 01:01:50,907 --> 01:01:51,908    through his lyrics,           1414 01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:55,411  you could feel his expression,  1415 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,080    that he was                   taking you from the gym,         1416 01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,882  taking you from                  when he was growing up,         1417 01:02:00,016 --> 01:02:03,086  taking you from                 now, performing the song.        1418 01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:05,722   He was, like,                     telling you a story           1419 01:02:05,855 --> 01:02:08,524  of what he did                    throughout his life.           1420 01:02:08,691 --> 01:02:09,992   You could see                  1421 01:02:10,126 --> 01:02:12,061  that it's just                  something that touched his soul, 1422 01:02:12,161 --> 01:02:15,498   and he wanted others            to feel the same way...         1423 01:02:15,631 --> 01:02:18,668 touch the soul of                 you, and you, and you,          1424 01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:21,337    that meant so much to him.    1425 01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:23,606  [Prince] White America             always thought Joe Frazier    1426 01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:24,907 was this                         blue-collar working man,         1427 01:02:25,007 --> 01:02:26,175   but, man, he                     was the king of swag.          1428 01:02:26,342 --> 01:02:29,312  He was way more                  swag than Ali ever was.         1429 01:02:29,445 --> 01:02:32,014   [Witherspoon] When he            comes in, the room shines up,  1430 01:02:32,148 --> 01:02:34,117 electricity just                    start spreading everywhere.   1431 01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:36,185   It was always                    about the best suits,          1432 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,588    and the colors that              popped, and the gold chain,   1433 01:02:38,688 --> 01:02:40,289    and the gold ring,            1434 01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:41,657   and that hat                   1435 01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,092 that nobody could                 sport like Smokin' Joe,         1436 01:02:43,192 --> 01:02:45,795  and a big wad of cash,          always down in his sock,         1437 01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,396 sometimes both his socks,        1438 01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,599   and he took a                    lot of pride in that.          1439 01:02:49,699 --> 01:02:53,236    If you are a star,              you shine everywhere.          1440 01:02:53,369 --> 01:02:55,638   [Bernstein] There was             a benefit in Atlantic City.   1441 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:57,240   Joe Frazier and the Knockouts  1442 01:02:57,406 --> 01:03:00,209 were gonna come on right           after my wife and her sister,  1443 01:03:00,309 --> 01:03:01,544    the Rocco Sisters,            1444 01:03:01,677 --> 01:03:04,147  and Connie was                  coming down some stairs,         1445 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,750  and she had one of those combs  that had, like, a tip on the end 1446 01:03:07,884 --> 01:03:09,218  that you would                    tease your hair with,          1447 01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:10,653   so it was very sharp,          1448 01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:13,589    and her heel caught             on one of the stairs.          1449 01:03:13,756 --> 01:03:15,691    She lunged forward,           1450 01:03:15,858 --> 01:03:19,028    and stabbed                      Joe Frazier in the stomach.   1451 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:22,431 He went down to one knee,        1452 01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:25,234    and uttered                     this immortal line...          1453 01:03:25,401 --> 01:03:27,003  "The bitch stabbed me!"         1454 01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:28,538    [laughing]                    1455 01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:33,843  And so security                    rushed in, and, of course,    1456 01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:35,778    she was horrified,               and everyone was horrified,   1457 01:03:35,912 --> 01:03:37,046  but they had to                 run out on stage,                1458 01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:39,782  so she ran out                    on stage after the...          1459 01:03:39,916 --> 01:03:41,651  [laughing] ...                     after the incident.           1460 01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,119  You can't make that up.         1461 01:03:43,286 --> 01:03:45,288  [reporter] It's                    4:30 in the morning,          1462 01:03:45,421 --> 01:03:47,723   and former Heavyweight            Champion Smokin' Joe Frazier  1463 01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:49,992   is running through the             frigid streets of Chicago    1464 01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,361  on what he hopes                   will be his comeback trail.   1465 01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:55,031   Not bad for an old man, huh?   1466 01:03:55,164 --> 01:03:57,767  When fighters well past          their prime continue fighting,  1467 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,937    like Ali did with Berbick,    1468 01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:02,972    what Joe did with Cummings,   1469 01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,874 they can say whatever they want, 1470 01:04:04,974 --> 01:04:07,577    it's pride, they still have    it, they want to feel young...  1471 01:04:07,743 --> 01:04:10,279 there's only one                   word why it happened,          1472 01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:12,615 and that word is "money."        1473 01:04:12,748 --> 01:04:13,583  [reporter] He's                  coming out of retirement        1474 01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:14,884  after five years                1475 01:04:15,017 --> 01:04:16,652  to fight Jumbo Cummings,        1476 01:04:16,786 --> 01:04:18,321 a relatively unknown 30-year-old 1477 01:04:18,454 --> 01:04:20,656   who spent 12 of those             years in prison for murder.   1478 01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,959 [Bentt] Joe with Jumbo Cummings, 1479 01:04:23,092 --> 01:04:25,027   and Muhammad                     with Trevor Berbick,           1480 01:04:25,161 --> 01:04:29,398   they were fights that          should not have been sanctioned, 1481 01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:30,766  but in boxing, that's allowed.  1482 01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,268   Why is that?                   1483 01:04:32,401 --> 01:04:33,236 But, you know, I get it.         1484 01:04:33,369 --> 01:04:34,704 I get it.                        1485 01:04:34,837 --> 01:04:38,374   But I, um... I don't get it.   1486 01:04:42,912 --> 01:04:44,947   Removed from                     Manila by six years,           1487 01:04:45,081 --> 01:04:46,482   it just demonstrated           1488 01:04:46,616 --> 01:04:49,485 how much that fight took           out of each of them as well.   1489 01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:52,255  Happy ending, you knew            that wasn't going to happen.   1490 01:04:52,355 --> 01:04:54,490  [announcer] The                     decision, a draw!            1491 01:04:54,590 --> 01:04:59,262  [crowd booing]                  1492 01:04:59,362 --> 01:05:03,399 It's hard for an                 athlete to leave the game        1493 01:05:03,532 --> 01:05:04,667   when they're on top.           1494 01:05:04,767 --> 01:05:06,135 I got a chance to go down        1495 01:05:06,269 --> 01:05:08,371  as the greatest                    athlete, not boxer,           1496 01:05:08,471 --> 01:05:09,438  in the history.                 1497 01:05:09,572 --> 01:05:12,174 I can make so many people wrong. 1498 01:05:12,308 --> 01:05:13,976   Obviously, it                    didn't work out well.          1499 01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:17,613   It-it just was not a             good evening, on every level.  1500 01:05:18,447 --> 01:05:22,151   [man] No, no! Oh, no!          1501 01:05:22,285 --> 01:05:24,754 Ali, Frazier, in                  terms of their career,          1502 01:05:24,854 --> 01:05:28,357   their life as                    professional boxers is over,   1503 01:05:28,491 --> 01:05:32,261  and there's nothing spectacular  or glamorous about it.          1504 01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:36,565   Life sometimes is not             kind, but it's always real.   1505 01:05:42,004 --> 01:05:46,175   [♪♪♪]                          1506 01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,249  [Hand Jr.] Joe                  definitely lived his life        1507 01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:55,184   on North Broad Street            at that gym,                   1508 01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,453  and, you know,                     people could walk in there    1509 01:05:57,553 --> 01:05:58,788 every day and say hello.         1510 01:05:58,921 --> 01:06:01,357    Joe bought the gym            after the Foreman fight.         1511 01:06:01,524 --> 01:06:03,459  It was $87,000.                 1512 01:06:07,463 --> 01:06:09,298  It looked like some of             the movies I'd watch on TV,   1513 01:06:09,398 --> 01:06:10,599 street life, it's                   North Philadelphia,           1514 01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:11,968  ghetto.                         1515 01:06:12,101 --> 01:06:13,069   When I walked                     in, I just thought,           1516 01:06:13,202 --> 01:06:14,603   "This is what greatness is."   1517 01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:22,511   And Joe came, was, "Hey, hey,  1518 01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:24,880    you gotta put more             weight on your left leg, Tim."  1519 01:06:25,014 --> 01:06:27,516   Putting the weight in            between my knee and my ankle,  1520 01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:29,986  putting it down                    there, and then turn, bam!    1521 01:06:30,086 --> 01:06:32,989    so my left hook, he            taught me how to do that, yeah. 1522 01:06:33,122 --> 01:06:34,357   Take the room                    away from him, Mark!           1523 01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,858  Goddamn breathe on him!         1524 01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:38,894 On the top of the                   gym was a roof, a rooftop,    1525 01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:40,930  so he decided that, uh,         1526 01:06:41,063 --> 01:06:44,400  he was gonna turn that           rooftop into a bachelor's loft. 1527 01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,036 [Averona Jr.] When you walked in   Joe Frazier's office,          1528 01:06:47,136 --> 01:06:48,504 he had a great big desk.         1529 01:06:48,604 --> 01:06:50,573 He would call his                   back office "The Dungeon."    1530 01:06:50,706 --> 01:06:52,041   He had a little refrigerator.  1531 01:06:52,141 --> 01:06:53,576 We had liquor back there.        1532 01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:56,645  Then he would lift his,           his couch up, like Godzilla,   1533 01:06:56,779 --> 01:06:58,214  and, just picked it up,         1534 01:06:58,347 --> 01:07:00,216   and he had all these           guns piled on top of each other. 1535 01:07:00,349 --> 01:07:02,051    [Slone] The second             story was just a big warehouse, 1536 01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:04,687  and at the back of that           was a dormitory for fighters.  1537 01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:06,188   It had no hot water.           1538 01:07:06,288 --> 01:07:08,290   The opposite                    side of the steel door          1539 01:07:08,424 --> 01:07:09,458    was crack addicts.            1540 01:07:09,592 --> 01:07:11,794    And we put six beds            in the back of the gym,         1541 01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:13,462 a heater, and a kitchen.         1542 01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:16,165    And then, it's cold water,      and, you know, it was drafty,  1543 01:07:16,298 --> 01:07:17,800 which I was fine                   with, 'cause it was,           1544 01:07:17,967 --> 01:07:19,568    it was really... it            made you fight harder.          1545 01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:21,704    [fighters grunting]           1546 01:07:21,837 --> 01:07:22,671   When Joe comes into the gym,   1547 01:07:22,805 --> 01:07:24,206    first thing he does           1548 01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:26,475  is walk up them steps,             go to his music, hit play,    1549 01:07:26,609 --> 01:07:28,244 come back                         downstairs, and, "Let's work."  1550 01:07:28,411 --> 01:07:32,048 [Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier           had the Fighting Fraziers,    1551 01:07:32,148 --> 01:07:35,885    and he just put everything    he could in his fighters.        1552 01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:37,219   They couldn't be him,          1553 01:07:37,319 --> 01:07:40,523   but they all                    wanted to be like him.          1554 01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:41,891  [Joe] What time is it?          1555 01:07:42,024 --> 01:07:42,858 [men] It's fightin' time!        1556 01:07:43,025 --> 01:07:44,593 What time is it?                 1557 01:07:44,727 --> 01:07:45,628   It's KO time!                  1558 01:07:45,761 --> 01:07:49,298   Come on! Let's go! Let's go!   1559 01:07:52,268 --> 01:07:54,570    Marvis Frazier had             a good amateur record,          1560 01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:56,906    and Marvis Frazier            was a very tough fighter.        1561 01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,374    [commentator] The referee,    1562 01:07:58,507 --> 01:08:00,543  the only man who                   can stop the fight.           1563 01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711     Round one!                   1564 01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,047  Larry Holmes is                    a serious fighter.            1565 01:08:05,147 --> 01:08:07,950 [commentator] And here's            Marvis, with the hands down!  1566 01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,153    Marvis got a little           cocky, and he dropped his hands. 1567 01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,389    [commentator] That             could be a big mistake!         1568 01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:15,958 Marvis Frazier's                 career probably got accelerated, 1569 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,727 maybe because of                   the-the opportunities          1570 01:08:18,861 --> 01:08:19,929 for money fights,                1571 01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:22,298 partially because of who he was. 1572 01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:26,168 [crowd shouting]                 1573 01:08:26,302 --> 01:08:27,536   When Marvis gets hit,          1574 01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:29,205    you could see in Joe's eyes   1575 01:08:29,338 --> 01:08:31,807  how he was hurtin' for his son. 1576 01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:33,209  Had to be very                  difficult for Joe Frazier        1577 01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:35,244    to experience that,           you know, in the corner.         1578 01:08:35,377 --> 01:08:38,380    I think they pushed           Marvis a little too fast,        1579 01:08:38,514 --> 01:08:40,883    'cause it was easy,             it was fun for Larry.          1580 01:08:41,016 --> 01:08:41,917  Larry just was playing,         1581 01:08:42,051 --> 01:08:43,219   like, he was playing,          1582 01:08:43,352 --> 01:08:45,354    and, to me,                    that was embarrassing.          1583 01:08:46,422 --> 01:08:49,191 Joe loved Marvis.                   They were so close.           1584 01:08:49,325 --> 01:08:50,559    [Witherspoon] I would wait,   1585 01:08:50,693 --> 01:08:52,294    "My name is                    Marvis Frazier. My dad is Joe." 1586 01:08:52,461 --> 01:08:53,929  Try to build it                   up a little bit more,          1587 01:08:54,063 --> 01:08:56,065  and maybe they                  could've got two million,        1588 01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:59,602   but they did it, and           this is the result, so...        1589 01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:04,306   [♪♪♪]                          1590 01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,075    [commentator] Tyson              comes out slugging.           1591 01:09:06,242 --> 01:09:09,078   He comes out smoking,              like Marvis's father, Joe.   1592 01:09:09,245 --> 01:09:11,714  They said Marvis tried             to fight like Joe Frazier,    1593 01:09:11,881 --> 01:09:13,015 "Joe's not a good trainer        1594 01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,517 'cause he trains                   everybody this way,"           1595 01:09:14,617 --> 01:09:16,018   and Joe's answer was,          1596 01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:17,453    "You better be able           to fight like Joe Frazier        1597 01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:18,621  if you wanna make it."          1598 01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:23,125  [commentator] Uppercut,            and Marvis is hurt.           1599 01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,593    Yeah, he's hurt. He's down.   1600 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,762   I don't think Marvis            ever disappointed Joe,          1601 01:09:26,862 --> 01:09:28,330    even in the fights he lost.   1602 01:09:28,464 --> 01:09:30,332 You know, Joe was                   super proud of him.           1603 01:09:30,466 --> 01:09:33,335   When you saw                    Marvis Frazier with his father, 1604 01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:37,139  there was such                   respect and admiration          1605 01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:40,776   and love from                     Marvis towards Joe.           1606 01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:44,013 It was something                    very, very special.           1607 01:09:44,113 --> 01:09:47,816   So what I know about Marvis,    when he had his two big fights, 1608 01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:49,385   Larry and Mike Tyson,          1609 01:09:49,518 --> 01:09:51,320   Joe, the way he told me was,   1610 01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:52,755  it was to kinda                   help the Fraziers out          1611 01:09:52,888 --> 01:09:55,524 and get a                         little love, M-O-N-E-Y,         1612 01:09:55,658 --> 01:09:56,959  in his pocket.                  1613 01:09:57,092 --> 01:10:00,362    He was just in the              process of a divorce.          1614 01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:03,265   He was in the                    process of moving out          1615 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:05,267    of the mansion that he had,   1616 01:10:05,401 --> 01:10:07,570 you know, the house that          he had with his wife, Florence. 1617 01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:09,572   [Averona Jr.]                    Joe loved his family.          1618 01:10:09,672 --> 01:10:11,507 You know, you're                    with somebody for so long,    1619 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,375  you kinda fall                   out of love. You know?          1620 01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:18,013 Joe had 11 kids,                   and... six different mothers.  1621 01:10:18,113 --> 01:10:20,516    Joe and Marvis and               those guys were like this.    1622 01:10:20,683 --> 01:10:22,885    Marvis is a                      God-fearing, righteous man,   1623 01:10:23,018 --> 01:10:24,620 almost the polar opposite to Joe 1624 01:10:24,753 --> 01:10:26,255 when it comes to                   the party atmosphere.          1625 01:10:26,388 --> 01:10:27,456 He'd just say, "Aw, Pop."        1626 01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:29,959 He'd say, "Pop. Not again, Pop." 1627 01:10:30,092 --> 01:10:31,126 [Watson] Joe took                   care of his family.           1628 01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:33,929    He made sure, financially,    1629 01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,665 that he lived up                    to his obligations            1630 01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,434  as a father, as a man.          1631 01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:39,835   Once a month,                  1632 01:10:39,969 --> 01:10:42,071    we would sit in the             office and make up envelopes,  1633 01:10:42,171 --> 01:10:44,273    and I've never said            this before to anyone.          1634 01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,209    I would personally               hand-deliver the envelopes    1635 01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:50,546 to... different mothers,         1636 01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,249   because Joe wanted to             take care of his children.    1637 01:10:53,382 --> 01:10:54,984    You know, any time            he made a bunch of money,        1638 01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:56,352   he would always make            sure the kids are good          1639 01:10:56,485 --> 01:10:58,053   and his grandkids were good.   1640 01:10:58,187 --> 01:11:01,957   If you have 11 kids,              that costs a lot of money,    1641 01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,460    and that's gonna drain you,   1642 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,263    no matter how much               money you're able to make.    1643 01:11:07,396 --> 01:11:09,465   Life is conflicting.             Boxing's conflicting.          1644 01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:13,035   Having your father as            your trainer is conflicting.   1645 01:11:13,135 --> 01:11:14,103    -Very good!                      -Hit! Hit!                    1646 01:11:14,236 --> 01:11:15,537   Don't worry 'bout it.          1647 01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:18,707    Joe had five of his             relatives in the gym,          1648 01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,142 different weight classes.        1649 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,511  The one that he                 felt had the most talent         1650 01:11:22,645 --> 01:11:23,946    was Hector.                   1651 01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:25,914    G-Man 'bout to come alive.    1652 01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:27,583  Joe called him "G-Man,"         1653 01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:29,985    and he fought under            Joe Frazier Jr. professionally. 1654 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,989   [commentator] 21-year             old Smokin' Joe Frazier Jr.   1655 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:35,257  [Slone] No fear at all.         1656 01:11:35,391 --> 01:11:36,458 He'd grown up on                 the streets of New York.         1657 01:11:36,558 --> 01:11:38,060 Hector was the real deal.        1658 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,595 [commentator] And                 a big left hook!                1659 01:11:39,728 --> 01:11:41,330    And a straight right            and another left hook!         1660 01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:44,066  Lopez is on the                    bottom strand of the ropes,   1661 01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:45,934     and he goes down!            1662 01:11:46,068 --> 01:11:47,336  He was messin'                   with the wrong people,          1663 01:11:47,503 --> 01:11:48,971    and he got involved             with substance abuse,          1664 01:11:49,071 --> 01:11:51,040 and his life went                  down the wrong road,           1665 01:11:51,206 --> 01:11:52,941  and Joe did not approve at all. 1666 01:11:53,075 --> 01:11:54,476 He, uh...                        1667 01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,178  he would tell him, you            know, "I worked my whole life  1668 01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,213   to make this Frazier            name something special,         1669 01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,049    and you're fucking it up."    1670 01:12:00,215 --> 01:12:02,418   I might go to                    bed saying to myself,          1671 01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:06,588 "What if you do lose?" You know? 1672 01:12:06,722 --> 01:12:08,757    When he got                   arrested, that hurt Joe,         1673 01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:11,160   so he ended up going           to jail for a long time.         1674 01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:13,829 That's a setback for you.        1675 01:12:13,929 --> 01:12:15,698    You don't want no setback.    1676 01:12:15,798 --> 01:12:17,099   [Slone] Joe, I think,          1677 01:12:17,266 --> 01:12:19,335   was way more                    sensitive than people realize,  1678 01:12:19,468 --> 01:12:20,936   and it hurt Joe so... so bad.  1679 01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:23,038  Joe used to always say,          when he was hurt, he was like,  1680 01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:24,673  "I just                         swallowed a razor blade."        1681 01:12:24,807 --> 01:12:27,142    [Watson] Hector would call      when he got busted, he said,   1682 01:12:27,309 --> 01:12:30,212    "I'm fighting three              and four times a day, man."   1683 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,680 He said,                         "They're challenging me.         1684 01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:34,717  They're challenging me             because I'm Joe Frazier Jr.   1685 01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:36,251    I'm tired."                   1686 01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,288   And he wanted                     to talk to his dad.           1687 01:12:39,455 --> 01:12:41,090   [Slone] Joe wouldn't             talk to him for a long time.   1688 01:12:41,223 --> 01:12:42,624  He didn't take the phone calls, 1689 01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:44,693   and that's because he            was swallowing razor blades.   1690 01:12:44,827 --> 01:12:46,795    In the beginning, he would     visit him, and then he stopped. 1691 01:12:46,929 --> 01:12:49,732    [Watson] It                      really took a toll on Joe,    1692 01:12:49,832 --> 01:12:53,669    and it... it broke              him, uh, as a father.          1693 01:12:53,802 --> 01:12:55,437    [Slone] Hector was              his own man, I guess,          1694 01:12:55,571 --> 01:12:57,373  and he made decisions,          1695 01:12:57,473 --> 01:12:59,174    and, "Oh, I had a disease,"   1696 01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:00,609    or whatever it was            1697 01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:02,511   that they're calling            for that kind of life.          1698 01:13:02,678 --> 01:13:04,213   His downfall                   1699 01:13:04,346 --> 01:13:07,015    was something that             was the toughest thing          1700 01:13:07,116 --> 01:13:09,084 that I saw him go through        1701 01:13:09,251 --> 01:13:10,886 during my time with him.         1702 01:13:10,986 --> 01:13:12,154  [Slone] And their relationship  1703 01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:14,089   never got to                    where it should've been         1704 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,892    between a father and a son.   1705 01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:29,872 [Prince]                          Muhammad Ali apologized to Joe  1706 01:13:29,972 --> 01:13:31,340  in The New York Times,          1707 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,409 and said, "If God                   called me into a holy war,    1708 01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:35,978   I'd want Joe Frazier            there right beside me."         1709 01:13:36,111 --> 01:13:37,346    [laughing]                    1710 01:13:37,446 --> 01:13:38,814 [director] That's                 what he said about you.         1711 01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:45,521 I got so                         excited, I called up Joe.        1712 01:13:45,654 --> 01:13:47,823   "Champ, I think it's            time. Let's make this happen."  1713 01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:49,258 He goes, "You know what, Prince? 1714 01:13:49,391 --> 01:13:51,160   You tell that son of a bitch,  1715 01:13:51,326 --> 01:13:53,362  why's he gotta                     speak to the damn reporter?   1716 01:13:53,495 --> 01:13:55,297  Why can't he do                 that to my face?"                1717 01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:57,433 I was like, "Oh, my God."        1718 01:13:57,599 --> 01:13:59,501 There were times                 when they'd get together,        1719 01:13:59,635 --> 01:14:01,470  and Joe would be civil,         1720 01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,272  but for the most part,          1721 01:14:03,405 --> 01:14:04,940  the hatred was                   there, and it remained.         1722 01:14:05,073 --> 01:14:06,542    I put an agent spin on it,    1723 01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:08,377 just said, "It's                  not a sincere apology.          1724 01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:10,112 He'd like it to be to his face." 1725 01:14:10,212 --> 01:14:11,980 And then Ali, of                  course, came back with,         1726 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,783    "When you see Joe Frazier,     tell him he's still a gorilla." 1727 01:14:14,883 --> 01:14:17,186    I'm gon' keep this            gorilla with me every day        1728 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:18,821  until the fight.                1729 01:14:18,954 --> 01:14:20,722    [Slone] His way of               saying who won the fights,    1730 01:14:20,856 --> 01:14:23,225 he would compare                  his physical abilities          1731 01:14:23,358 --> 01:14:24,827   to Muhammad.                   1732 01:14:24,927 --> 01:14:26,128 [Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier        would turn around and go,        1733 01:14:26,261 --> 01:14:27,563   "Yo, Bo. Look at him.          1734 01:14:27,696 --> 01:14:29,364    He's telling people             he's got Parkinson's.          1735 01:14:29,498 --> 01:14:32,701    He don't have Parkinson's.    He's got left-hook-itis."        1736 01:14:32,868 --> 01:14:36,472   [♪♪♪]                          1737 01:14:38,574 --> 01:14:40,175 [Prince] I got a                 call from Howard Bingham,        1738 01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:42,744  "Hey, I'm with                     Lonnie, and we want to know   1739 01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:46,548  if you and Joe and Marvis will  come to Muhammad's suite tonight 1740 01:14:46,682 --> 01:14:47,649 and have dinner with us,"        1741 01:14:47,783 --> 01:14:49,451  so I got to catch up with Joe,  1742 01:14:49,551 --> 01:14:52,020 and I'm nervous as hell,            man, my palms are sweating.   1743 01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,455   He looks at me, goes,          1744 01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:54,756   "All right, boss man,          let's do it. What time?"         1745 01:14:54,923 --> 01:14:56,291  As simple as could be,          1746 01:14:56,391 --> 01:14:59,094    I have chills right              now from saying it, and...    1747 01:15:03,565 --> 01:15:06,201  Seven years of non-stop trying  1748 01:15:06,335 --> 01:15:07,903  and pushing and near-misses...  1749 01:15:08,036 --> 01:15:10,572  so we meet and                  head over to Ali's hotel,        1750 01:15:10,706 --> 01:15:12,541  and Joe leans down at one point 1751 01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:14,209    to kind of fix his sock...    1752 01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,078    he's got a                    holster with a gun in it.        1753 01:15:16,211 --> 01:15:18,881  Like, "What the                    heck is going on?"            1754 01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:20,415  We get in the hallway.          1755 01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:22,551   We're literally three            doors down from Ali's suite,   1756 01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,920 and Marvis starts                  laughing, like a little kid.   1757 01:15:25,053 --> 01:15:26,221   He goes, "You really thought   1758 01:15:26,388 --> 01:15:27,656 he was gonna come                  here and shoot Ali?"           1759 01:15:27,823 --> 01:15:30,492    And we knock on the           door, and what a moment!         1760 01:15:30,659 --> 01:15:32,995 Joe just kind of                    trots over to him.            1761 01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,030 Muhammad smiling.                1762 01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:36,598  Joe puts his hand on Ali's leg, 1763 01:15:36,732 --> 01:15:38,934   Ali puts his                     hand on Joe's hands.           1764 01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:40,869    Joe goes, "Come on,           man. Let me help you up."        1765 01:15:41,003 --> 01:15:44,907    And Muhammad's shoulder is      just lying on Joe's shoulder,  1766 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,810 with both of them                had tears in their eyes,         1767 01:15:48,944 --> 01:15:52,915    and Lonnie looks at           me, and said, "Hey, Joe."        1768 01:15:53,048 --> 01:15:55,751  She looks over                    and says, "Thank you,          1769 01:15:55,884 --> 01:15:58,120 because Muhammad                    just found peace."            1770 01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:59,254  [Joe speaking]                  1771 01:16:08,797 --> 01:16:10,566    Joe had a period in            his life where I think          1772 01:16:10,699 --> 01:16:12,401   maybe he was                      drinking a little too much,   1773 01:16:12,534 --> 01:16:15,637  and there was a                 little surliness to him.         1774 01:16:15,737 --> 01:16:17,272    That wasn't really              the real Joe Frazier.          1775 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:18,640  [Joe speaking]                  1776 01:16:27,249 --> 01:16:29,217   The real Joe Frazier           1777 01:16:29,384 --> 01:16:30,819    was the Joe Frazier           1778 01:16:30,953 --> 01:16:33,789 that took care of                  everybody in his neighborhood  1779 01:16:33,922 --> 01:16:36,391 and took care of                  the people around him.          1780 01:16:36,491 --> 01:16:39,494  There's not too                 many celebrities out here        1781 01:16:39,661 --> 01:16:42,197    that can be down to              earth like Joe Frazier was.   1782 01:16:42,331 --> 01:16:43,732 He cared.                        1783 01:16:43,865 --> 01:16:46,735  If he saw you stranded            and your car was pulled over,  1784 01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:49,338   he got out of his car          and got up under the car         1785 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:50,906    to see if he could            find out what was wrong.         1786 01:16:51,006 --> 01:16:52,307  And I remember                     I was 16 years old            1787 01:16:52,441 --> 01:16:53,442  when he took me under his wing. 1788 01:16:53,575 --> 01:16:54,843   It's just in his DNA to help.  1789 01:16:54,977 --> 01:16:56,478 You knew you had                   somebody covering your back,   1790 01:16:56,578 --> 01:16:57,946    and I don't                     know any other people          1791 01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,514    really like                     that, to that degree.          1792 01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,882    I mean, what he did            for me is unbelievable.         1793 01:17:01,049 --> 01:17:02,684    When Nelson Mandela              got out of prison,            1794 01:17:02,818 --> 01:17:04,653 the two people he wanted to meet 1795 01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:06,488  was Joe Frazier                 and Muhammad Ali,                1796 01:17:06,588 --> 01:17:08,790  so I'm sitting                     in a room with Joe,           1797 01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,460   he's thinking, uh, "I             gotta give him something,"    1798 01:17:11,593 --> 01:17:14,496   and on the top of the          dresser was his WBC belt.        1799 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:16,665 You know, to have                  a championship belt,           1800 01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:18,233   that's everything to a boxer,  1801 01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,936 and Joe gave him                   what was left of him,          1802 01:17:21,069 --> 01:17:26,708  but Nelson Mandela was trippin' that he got to meet Joe Frazier. 1803 01:17:26,875 --> 01:17:29,745 Every time you go into the ring, 1804 01:17:29,845 --> 01:17:32,714   you lose a piece of yourself   1805 01:17:32,881 --> 01:17:34,449  you can never get back.         1806 01:17:34,616 --> 01:17:36,885    The question is, how much?    1807 01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:39,054  [Averona Jr.] I                   was worried about Joe          1808 01:17:39,187 --> 01:17:40,555    as he started to get older.   1809 01:17:40,722 --> 01:17:43,425 His speech was a little slurred, and his balance was off.         1810 01:17:43,525 --> 01:17:44,926  [Slone] There's                 no way, you know,                1811 01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:47,462  he didn't have                  some damage from boxing.         1812 01:17:47,596 --> 01:17:49,064  At the end of the day,          1813 01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:52,367   the human body wasn't            meant to be beaten like that.  1814 01:17:52,534 --> 01:17:54,636  They all pay a price, you know. 1815 01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:56,038 Joe is no exception to the rule. 1816 01:17:56,171 --> 01:17:57,906 And I don't think                  he was fully intact,           1817 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,175 but I guess it was worth           the price of admission, man.   1818 01:18:00,308 --> 01:18:02,277  He's a legend.                  1819 01:18:14,222 --> 01:18:16,525    I couldn't get him              for, like, three, four days,   1820 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,427  so I'm starting to get worried, 1821 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,961   and I knew he                    wasn't feeling good,           1822 01:18:20,095 --> 01:18:22,798 but I didn't know                   how serious it was,           1823 01:18:22,931 --> 01:18:25,467   so I ended up                    getting Denise on the phone,   1824 01:18:25,567 --> 01:18:26,835  and she was taking care of him. 1825 01:18:27,002 --> 01:18:29,504  She goes, "He's                  really sick. He's got cancer."  1826 01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,040   Lonnie called                     me on November 5th,           1827 01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:33,141 I was at Joe's highrise,         1828 01:18:33,275 --> 01:18:34,443  and he was already in hospice,  1829 01:18:34,576 --> 01:18:36,678 and Lonnie said,                  "We just saw the news.          1830 01:18:36,812 --> 01:18:38,180  This is as bad                    as I've seen Muhammad          1831 01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:39,748 since his mother passed."        1832 01:18:39,848 --> 01:18:42,217    The covers were all           the way pulled up on him.        1833 01:18:42,384 --> 01:18:43,652   I take my phone out,           1834 01:18:43,785 --> 01:18:46,188    and I got a                     picture of a woman on there,   1835 01:18:46,321 --> 01:18:47,222    so I clicked on it,           1836 01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:48,590   and I put it to him,           1837 01:18:48,757 --> 01:18:50,292 and I notice that                 eye focusing in on it,          1838 01:18:50,425 --> 01:18:51,827   and like this, again,          1839 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,930  "Oof," he goes,                    "Bo, that's an 18-wheeler.    1840 01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:56,998  Put that away."                 So I put it away.                1841 01:18:57,165 --> 01:19:00,435    He said, "When you             take your last breath,"         1842 01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:03,004   [deep breath]                  1843 01:19:03,171 --> 01:19:04,773  "...Lord, forgive me,"          1844 01:19:04,873 --> 01:19:06,675 He said, "You'll                   get right in Heaven."          1845 01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:08,176  That's what he told me.         1846 01:19:08,276 --> 01:19:09,244   That was it.                   1847 01:19:09,377 --> 01:19:11,179    We held, I held his hand...   1848 01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:12,581 and then I left,                 1849 01:19:12,714 --> 01:19:15,550    and then, like, two           days later, he was gone.         1850 01:19:15,784 --> 01:19:18,420   [♪♪♪]                          1851 01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:23,492   I was a pallbearer that day,   1852 01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,428 along with Sonny Averona         1853 01:19:26,561 --> 01:19:28,063   and Willie "The Worm" Munroe,  1854 01:19:28,163 --> 01:19:29,297  Michael Spinks,                 1855 01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:31,633  and some of the                   Frazier family, Mark Frazier,  1856 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,302   and I don't know who            was, who was in charge          1857 01:19:34,436 --> 01:19:35,804  of being the pallbearers stuff, 1858 01:19:35,971 --> 01:19:37,606    but my hand was the             last hand that pushed it in,   1859 01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,474 you know, "I got your back, man, 1860 01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:41,643   'cause I know                    you'd have my back."           1861 01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:44,479 Muhammad Ali, he                  wasn't in great shape himself,  1862 01:19:44,646 --> 01:19:46,281   but he stood                   basically the whole time,        1863 01:19:46,414 --> 01:19:47,916    and clapped the whole time,   1864 01:19:48,016 --> 01:19:49,551    with an action and a speed    1865 01:19:49,651 --> 01:19:51,820    that I hadn't seen               Muhammad use in long time.    1866 01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:55,056    They had a special            bond, and you could see it then. 1867 01:19:55,190 --> 01:19:58,727    I wish Joe could've             seen it. Well, maybe he did.   1868 01:19:59,427 --> 01:20:02,063   [♪♪♪]                          1869 01:20:02,197 --> 01:20:04,266 Joe Frazier's one of the          greatest fighters of all time.  1870 01:20:04,432 --> 01:20:07,335    There's only a few guys you    can even put in that category.  1871 01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:08,870  He'd go down, he'd get back up. 1872 01:20:09,004 --> 01:20:11,339  Joe Frazier had                 nothin' but fight in him.        1873 01:20:11,473 --> 01:20:12,841   [Tyrone Frazier] To this day,  1874 01:20:12,974 --> 01:20:15,911  it's still, like, man,             this great man passed away.   1875 01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:17,813 I'm not putting the words right, 1876 01:20:17,946 --> 01:20:21,016    but he just seemed             like a superman to me.          1877 01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:25,020   [♪♪♪]                          1878 01:20:25,153 --> 01:20:27,789  The Heavyweight Champion         of the World...                 1879 01:20:27,889 --> 01:20:29,791    Joe Frazier!                  1880 01:20:29,891 --> 01:20:33,261  [crowd roaring]                 1881 01:20:33,361 --> 01:20:35,764  [bell ringing]                  1882 01:20:35,864 --> 01:20:37,299   [♪♪♪]                          1883 01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:38,633 [commentator] Round one!         1884 01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,669   [funky song playing]           1885 01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,839   A superstar,                   Olympic gold medalist...         1886 01:20:44,005 --> 01:20:46,608   winning a Heavyweight           Championship back then,         1887 01:20:46,741 --> 01:20:48,476   he's an icon. Absolute icon.   1888 01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:49,978    [cheering]                    1889 01:20:50,111 --> 01:20:52,414   There were no                  frills about Joe Frazier.        1890 01:20:52,547 --> 01:20:54,583   He didn't try                     to hide who he was.           1891 01:20:54,716 --> 01:20:57,452 "I'm Joe Frazier,                  and I'm gonna be me."          1892 01:20:57,586 --> 01:20:59,020    [laughter]                    1893 01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:02,290    One of the most unfortunate   things in sports history         1894 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:05,093    is that Joe Frazier            ended up having to live         1895 01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:08,597 under the                         shadow of Muhammad Ali,         1896 01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:11,333    because the                     Joe Frazier story on its own   1897 01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:12,534    is so extraordinary           1898 01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:14,736    that it serves as a beacon    1899 01:21:14,836 --> 01:21:18,240   to people who face long odds.  1900 01:21:18,373 --> 01:21:20,208    [Cosell] The crowd               is chanting, "Ali!"           1901 01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:22,344   and Joe says,                   "Come on out and fight."        1902 01:21:22,444 --> 01:21:23,578    [Averona Jr.] I loved Joe.    1903 01:21:23,712 --> 01:21:25,814  He knew how to                     get into your soul.           1904 01:21:25,947 --> 01:21:28,683 He taught me how                    to appreciate life.           1905 01:21:28,783 --> 01:21:30,118   We had dinner                   with Denzel Washington.         1906 01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:32,888    I saw Lionel Richie              chasing after him.            1907 01:21:32,988 --> 01:21:35,090    Pacino, you know, De Niro,    1908 01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:36,291 Stallone.                        1909 01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:37,993  Spielberg came over to          us with tears in his eyes        1910 01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,861    asking if he could             get some time with him.         1911 01:21:40,028 --> 01:21:42,564  That always made my heart full, 1912 01:21:42,697 --> 01:21:44,065   because the funny thing was,   1913 01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:46,167  Joe really didn't know            who any of these people were.  1914 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,405   It's hard to explain            what Joe Frazier's done for me. 1915 01:21:50,505 --> 01:21:54,242    He's made me better father,   made me a better citizen,        1916 01:21:54,342 --> 01:21:55,777 made me a better person.         1917 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,880    I owe a lot to him,           and I'll never forget it.        1918 01:21:59,047 --> 01:22:00,282   Thank you very                     much, Joe Frazier.           1919 01:22:00,448 --> 01:22:01,816     Thank you!                   1920 01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:03,551   What I do, and who I              know, and where I've been,    1921 01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:05,120   is all thanks to Joe Frazier.  1922 01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:08,623   For me, what                      better life could you have?   1923 01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:11,192    For him to give me             the chance that he did,         1924 01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,962   the people that I met          working with Joe Frazier,        1925 01:22:14,095 --> 01:22:15,897   the places that I got to see,  1926 01:22:15,997 --> 01:22:19,000   the person that I got            to know, who is Joe Frazier,   1927 01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,569    to be sitting here            because of Joe Frazier...        1928 01:22:21,736 --> 01:22:22,938   unbelievable.                  1929 01:22:23,104 --> 01:22:25,740    I love Joe Frazier             because of what he did.         1930 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,312   From a fighter to a fighter,    he will always have my respect. 1931 01:22:30,445 --> 01:22:34,716 Joe Frazier was a                 cornerstone of boxing.          1932 01:22:34,883 --> 01:22:36,151  [Joe speaking]                  1933 01:22:46,928 --> 01:22:47,963   [Cosell] I don't know anyone   1934 01:22:48,063 --> 01:22:49,397 who gets the sheer joy of combat 1935 01:22:49,497 --> 01:22:51,967     the way Joe Frazier does!    1936 01:22:53,068 --> 01:22:56,504   [song ending with a flourish]  1937 01:23:06,681 --> 01:23:09,517   [♪♪♪]                          210389

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