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[punching speed
bag rhythmically]
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[silence falls]
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Yeah.
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The highlight of my career?
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Being born in the world.
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["Back Burner" by
Stuart Moore plays]
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[♪♪♪]
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Joe Frazier made
aggressive fighting an art form.
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When Frazier throws
punches, he wants to kill you.
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[♪♪♪]
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[Dr. Todd Boyd] He
grew up in South Carolina.
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They didn't have any money,
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they weren't educated,
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but he was especially
well-spoken with his hands.
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[Burt Watson] He was relentless.
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There was a lot of punches,
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he'd take one to give two,
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but you had to
get inside to give one.
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Joe was a very proud man.
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He never kissed anybody's ass.
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He didn't want to
be a political symbol.
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[Joe] I speak from my
heart. You know I mean?
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The way I see
things and the way I feel.
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Joe loved cars,
fighting, women, and music.
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Music, to
Joe Frazier, was his sanity.
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That's what you saw
when you saw Joe perform.
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Joe Frazier was a warrior, man.
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Without Joe Frazier,
there wouldn't have been no Ali.
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I'm the champ.
You ain't! You nothing!
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That kind of rivalry,
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we'll never see
something like that again.
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Three of the
biggest fights in history.
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it's no coincidence.
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[♪♪♪]
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There was another side to Joe.
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He had a big
heart. Do anything for you.
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If a car's broken down,
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Joe Frazier
will stop every time.
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It's just in his DNA to help.
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White America
always thought Joe Frazier
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was this
blue-collar working man,
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but man, he was
the king of swag.
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[Watson] No one ever
did get Joe Frazier right.
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No one ever got
the real Joe Frazier.
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[♪♪♪]
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[traffic noise]
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How we doing there, guys?
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Uh, rolling.
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[♪♪♪]
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[cheering and shouting]
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Ali-Frazier,
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the Fight of the
Century, March 8th, 1971,
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transcended the sport of boxing
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and entered into this realm
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of America at the highest order.
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Everybody was
talking about Ali and Frazier.
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It was the beginning
of the mega-fight era.
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Frazier-Ali! It was polarizing.
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He's the Uncle Tom.
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The guy talked from
the side of his mouth.
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It was the bull and the matador.
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He's the other-type Negro!
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Uh, he's a phony.
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Who do you root for? And why?
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Frazier's going to win!
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It's a hell of a way
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to present one's
society to the world,
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because, you know,
that's what it meant.
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Every punch that was
thrown had a subtext behind it.
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Totally different styles.
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The one area
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where they were
very similar in the ring
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was that they were both
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mean, nasty, S.O.B. fighters.
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Joe Frazier was prepared
to die in that ring that night.
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Joe came out of ugly origins,
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and boxing became his way out.
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[match bell rings]
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[announcer] Round one!
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[horse whinnying]
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[♪♪♪]
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[Joe] I was born and raised in
Beaufort, South Carolina,
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and my original
home is the South.
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[Boyd] Joe's family,
they were sharecroppers.
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It's not intellectual.
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It's hard living.
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[♪♪♪]
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It was slow, and it was hot.
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Bugs everywhere.
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It was survival.
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Joe Frazier has
had to face adversity,
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not from the moment he was born,
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but from the
moment he was conceived.
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He was in his mother's stomach,
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she was pregnant with him,
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when his dad had an altercation
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in which he was shot
in his left arm by a friend.
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[gunshot echoes]
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Shot off by, like, a
jealous husband of somebody
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that Rubin might've been
doing the wrong thing with,
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or "the wild
thing," as Joe would say.
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His mom was shot
in the same incident.
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Could've killed Joe Frazier.
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[infant crying]
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Joe Frazier didn't
grow up in Beverly Hills.
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1944 in rural South Carolina
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is really not that far
removed from the end of slavery.
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His earliest memory would
be sitting on his father's knee
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and his father would,
would call him "Billy Boy,"
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and, you know, he was known
to be, like, a daddy's boy,
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and he was
basically his father's shadow.
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And being his dad's favorite,
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Joe had to become
his dad's left arm.
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[Bernstein] The
whole setting of that story,
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the drama,
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and how it
ultimately came full circle
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with him using the left
arm that his father never had,
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and become world famous,
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was really extraordinary,
and in a way, poetic.
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[Joe] Back in the
country, they had, like,
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maybe one or two
televisions, you know?
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Used to get around those,
to watch fights at the time.
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[crowd cheering]
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And you had boxing on
TV several times a week.
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Everybody knew
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who the Heavyweight Champion
of the World was.
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And there was, uh, Joe Louis
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and Rocky Marciano,
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Ezzard Charles,
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Jersey Joe Walcott,
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and my uncles and
my aunts and my father
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used to say, you
know, "That kid, look at him.
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Look at the body structure."
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He said, "One of these days,
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that boy gonna be a Joe Louis."
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Chasing after a
hog, and was told not to,
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and fell and broke his arm.
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[laughing]
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They had no
healthcare insurance.
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They had no money
to go to a hospital.
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[laughing]
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His mom and his dad
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always said he was a fighter.
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He had the bag
when he was a kid,
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that bag that he
built with his own hands
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and hung from a tree.
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He filled it up
with peat moss, corn cobs,
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shoes, wood,
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whatever he could put in there.
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[Joe speaking]
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That's where his
power really came from.
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The roots of his
thoughts, and his gut feeling,
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came from that time in his life,
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what his mom and
his dad put in him.
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[Bernstein]
Joe Frazier was able to come
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from the most
difficult beginnings
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and get to a very
lofty place in this world.
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[Watson] Growing up in
Beaufort, South Carolina,
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there were hard times,
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but when you actually
lived in those times...
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we really
didn't know any better.
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Joe got into a
little bit of trouble
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as he got a little older,
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not older, much older, at 15.
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Joe was, uh, 14,
15, worked on a farm.
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This Black kid is being
accosted by this white man.
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[chuckling]
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Joe had stuck up
for this Black kid,
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and, uh, the
white man, um, decided
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that, uh, he was going
to, uh, beat Joe with his belt.
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Joe said, being Joe,
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"I wouldn't do that, man."
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Joe's mom, um, said to him,
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"Listen.
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If you can't get along
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with the white
people here in Beaufort,
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you better leave, 'cause, um...
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that's not, it's not
gonna end up good for you."
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Joe was forced
out of South Carolina,
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but he never, ever
held any grudge towards that.
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His mom put him on a bus
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with a couple of, uh,
legs of fried chicken...
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ho...
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and he took the bus on his own
from, uh, Beaufort to New York.
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What a horrific childhood,
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and what it took
to get outta there.
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[newsreel theme plays]
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[newsreel
announcer] This is a free land
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in which we have a
right to work anywhere.
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Joe Frazier came
to New York in 1959,
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and moved in with
his brother, Tommy.
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They got to a
little bit of trouble there!
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I mean, they-they tried
to start a little side hustle.
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[newsreel] We call it
"freedom of opportunity"...
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[newsreel] ...and it means
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there is a free
market for our skills.
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[Joe speaking]
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[laughing]
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He was married
at 16 and had kids,
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and he was acting like
a grown man at that point.
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During the day, you
work at all kinds of jobs,
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when you can find them.
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Money's scarce,
particularly when
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yours and Florence's
son Marvis comes along
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in September of 1960.
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I got married
when I was real young.
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He was working
in a slaughterhouse.
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He put on weight.
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At the age of 'bout
16, I was about 230 pounds,
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so I had a little
problem of, you know,
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of fitting up in clothes,
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so therefore, I
couldn't afford the clothes,
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so I had to find somethin'
to do to get that weight off,
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and then I
found out how to punch.
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When I went in the gym,
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they had about 12
heavyweights in there,
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and by the time I left out,
I was the only guy in the gym.
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[Ralph Edwards] Fortunately,
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you meet someone who
sees potential in you.
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Joe, your close
friend and manager
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since the beginning
of your boxing career,
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Mr. Yancey 'Yank' Durham.
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You saw Joe's, uh,
potential early, Yank?
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[Durham] Yes. Joe
was a dedicated boy.
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He would, his determination
was so great that I figured
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that, uh, Joe
would go all the way.
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[Joe Hand Jr.] In a boxing gym,
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trainers like to keep
training sessions controlled,
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but Yank Durham
didn't let Joe do that.
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He let him be
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as ferocious and aggressive
as he could possibly be.
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Lot of people
don't know, that, uh,
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when I first started with him,
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he thought he was
the type of a fighter
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that could move around the ring,
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and I said,
"Look, this is nonsense,
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it's something we have to stop.
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You're too short for a boxer.
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You're a fighter,
you have the power,
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and you got to keep applying
pressure on these fighters."
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Felt like that relationship
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was, uh, a
father-son relationship.
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And Joe relied
completely on Yank Durham.
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[newscaster] Frazier
won 38 of 40 amateur fights,
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grinding through all opposition
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to three Golden Glove titles.
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[announcer] Round three
of the 1964 Olympic Trials
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between heavyweights
Buster Mathis and Joe Frazier.
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Mathis is enormous!
He weighs 300 pounds.
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Joe lost to Buster Mathis
in the Olympic trials,
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but Buster broke his hand,
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so Joe Frazier
went to the Olympics.
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[Joe speaking]
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[laughing]
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[♪♪♪]
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He broke his
hand in the semifinal,
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and had to figure out a
way to fight in that final
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with that broken hand!
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Joe had his own medication.
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[Joe Hand Sr.]
Dolly, his mother,
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she was just a beauty.
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Corn-cob pipe,
sitting on a front porch.
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Dolly would eat dirt
every day with a spoon.
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She would go out,
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and then find some
of this peat soil stuff,
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and eat it,
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and I asked Joe
what it was about,
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and he said, "That's
where you get the goodness."
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You know, she wanted
the minerals from the earth.
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Joe Frazier was
from Gullah culture.
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In the Gullah
culture and tradition,
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we were spiritually
into the church,
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but at the same
time, being into root,
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and witches, spirits.
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You couldn't go to a doctor,
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so Joe always concocted things.
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They came from his childhood,
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the most obscure
things you could imagine
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to fix something.
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Whether it was the flu,
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whether his back
was hurting, arthritis...
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Sometimes he'd write
on the jar what it was.
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He might just put,
"hair growing" there.
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If you've got bad
hands from hitting the bags,
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"Come here, son, let me put
some of this stuff on there."
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Joe used to take
a big mayonnaise jar
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and fill it with liquor
and orange peels and rock candy,
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and have it sit and marinate
for about two or three months,
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and shake it up,
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and every time
we'd go someplace,
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he would take some of that,
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and that would
be his medication,
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for whatever ailed him.
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His big thing was
Westley's Tire Cleaner.
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It was a special cleaner
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that they had for
the limousine company,
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for the white walls,
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so he'd spray it on a toothbrush
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and then brush
his teeth with it.
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Gargle something,
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maybe Courvoisier,
maybe lemon juice.
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In his mind, he was, like,
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"Hey, if it's gonna
make the tires white,
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it'll make my teeth white."
[laughing]
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[Bernstein] Joe Frazier
made the most of his opportunity
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[Bernstein] Joe Frazier
made the most of his opportunity
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in 1964.
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He was going to get
the job done, no matter what.
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Fighters have, many times,
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fought with injuries that
they sustained during a fight,
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but it's very rare
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that somebody goes into a
fight with that kind of injury.
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It's emblematic of Frazier.
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Joe Frazier, who was
concealing a broken thumb,
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won a gold medal.
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[Slone] Joe was very patriotic.
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He was the only
American to win it,
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and he was so, so proud of that.
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[Florence Frazier] In 1964,
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when Joe came
back from the Olympics,
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things was awful
hard for Joe and myself.
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Look, he was a
guy with a bad hand.
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Wasn't particularly verbal.
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Joe Frazier was
country, you know,
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and Joe didn't have
the wordplay to deny this.
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He was a reflection
of those country roots.
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An Olympic gold medal
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was a very different
phenomenon, economically,
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in those days,
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and at that point,
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there was no way of knowing
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that hwas going to become
the fighter that he became.
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Well, I done
spent most of the...
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most of our savings to,
to buy, uh, food for the kids,
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and pay the bills
and rent, and everything.
338
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His hand was broke
and he couldn't work,
339
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and I had the
children to care for,
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I couldn't work, so...
341
00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,271
we were just sort of stuck.
342
00:16:16,942 --> 00:16:21,113
He had shrapnel in
his eye from the speed bag,
343
00:16:21,246 --> 00:16:25,017
a little sliver of steel
that cut into his eye's retina.
344
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It made him 80%
blind in one eye,
345
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and he fought his
whole career that way.
346
00:16:32,057 --> 00:16:33,425
Yank, you told Dr. Gray
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00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,227
that you thought it
would take at least $5,000
348
00:16:35,361 --> 00:16:37,262
to get Joe launched on
a professional fight career.
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00:16:37,396 --> 00:16:39,131
[Durham] That's true. I
sit and talk with Dr. Gray,
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and I asked him
about a co-operation,
351
00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:42,668
so he talked to various people,
352
00:16:42,801 --> 00:16:44,470
and we got the
corporation together,
353
00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:45,471
that's where we are today.
354
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[interviewer] Mr. Wright,
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00:16:46,872 --> 00:16:48,107
how and why was
Cloverlay formed?
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00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,575
[Bruce Wright] Dr.
Baldwin had asked me
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to give him a method of
sponsoring a prizefighter.
358
00:16:53,412 --> 00:16:54,947
How did you get
involved with Cloverlay?
359
00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,548
I read about it
in the newspaper,
360
00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:58,083
and I called Dr. Baldwin
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00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:01,086
regarding a purchase of a share.
362
00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,855
My dad showed up
at the next meeting
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00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:03,789
with 500 hours,
364
00:17:03,922 --> 00:17:05,157
and now he was
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00:17:05,290 --> 00:17:06,892
one of the
founding guys of Cloverlay.
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00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,029
[Wright] We guaranteed
Joe $100 a week for three years,
367
00:17:10,162 --> 00:17:12,231
and this was before
any earnings had come in.
368
00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:14,233
[♪♪♪]
369
00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,603
Cloverlay really
looked out for Joe Frazier.
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00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:20,072
[interviewer] Isn't it
kind of unusual for a woman
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00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:21,707
to be part owner of a boxer?
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00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,809
Yes, that's what
made it so thrilling.
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00:17:23,976 --> 00:17:26,612
[♪♪♪]
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00:17:26,779 --> 00:17:28,547
They were guiding Joe's career.
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00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,049
They didn't want to exploit Joe,
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00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:32,918
they wanted to see
that Joe was fairly treated.
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00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,453
[Joe] It's a real
good feeling, you know,
378
00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:36,422
that you really got
people like that behind ya,
379
00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:38,724
and, uh, they're
wonderful people to be with.
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00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:40,559
You could kind of
brag to your neighbor,
381
00:17:40,659 --> 00:17:43,996
to your boss or coworkers,
that you owned a fighter.
382
00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:46,432
They would sell
these shares of stock,
383
00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:47,966
and they were $250.
384
00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,203
The Joe Frazier/Cloverlay
story became popular.
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00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:54,373
As time went by,
they increased in value
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00:17:54,473 --> 00:17:56,008
to, what I
remember someone saying,
387
00:17:56,141 --> 00:17:58,377
like, almost $14,000 a share.
388
00:17:58,477 --> 00:17:59,845
You think it was
a good investment?
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00:17:59,978 --> 00:18:02,281
Very good. I have no complaints.
390
00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,518
I was rooting for Joe Frazier,
who I loved as a boxing fan.
391
00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:09,955
I loved watching him run through
the Heavyweight Division.
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00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,623
[announcer] Frazier
was the only American
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00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:16,628
to win a gold medal
in the 1964 Olympic Boxing.
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00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:17,930
And Frazier is down!
395
00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:20,866
[crowd cheering]
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00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:22,534
At 11 and 0,
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00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:26,138
he faced a very tough
fighter in Oscar Bonavena,
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00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:30,242
a South American fighter
who had power in both hands,
399
00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:32,911
and because of the
style Frazier fought,
400
00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:35,881
it was two
trucks coming together.
401
00:18:36,014 --> 00:18:38,350
Bonavena is probably
the stronger of the two,
402
00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:40,686
and has fought the
more experienced opponents.
403
00:18:48,694 --> 00:18:50,129
Frazier down again!
404
00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:52,664
There was a
three-knockdown rule in effect,
405
00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:54,099
so his career at that point
406
00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:56,435
could have been short-circuited.
407
00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:05,811
Yank Durham was furious.
408
00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:07,546
Joe had gotten sloppy.
409
00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:11,250
He had started to believe
that he couldn't be hurt.
410
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:14,052
"I lay hands on
them and they fall."
411
00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:15,587
[crowd cheering]
412
00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:17,389
[announcer] And there
it is, the final bell!
413
00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:21,093
That was a real crucible
for him early in his career,
414
00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,162
but still won a decision.
415
00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,564
But you came on to
win, I wanna congratulate you,
416
00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:27,032
you're still undefeated,
417
00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,201
and you're
certainly a wonderful prospect.
418
00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:30,636
One of these days,
419
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,104
we hope to have
you in a title fight.
420
00:19:32,237 --> 00:19:33,438
Thank you very much. Everybody!
421
00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:34,473
Thank you very
much, Joe Frazier.
422
00:19:34,573 --> 00:19:35,841
Thank you!
423
00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:38,710
The man to beat me
hasn't been born yet.
424
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:41,647
[♪♪♪]
425
00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:45,784
I'm the Heavyweight Champ
of the World,
426
00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:47,920
and I don't have to talk no
more and say "I'm the greatest,"
427
00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:49,588
because people
tell me I'm the greatest.
428
00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,625
I am the
greatest. I am the king.
429
00:19:54,993 --> 00:19:56,261
I'll be champion,
430
00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:57,930
and I can stay in
the ring ten more years
431
00:19:58,063 --> 00:19:59,331
easy, I figure.
432
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:01,133
So you're not prepared
to discuss your feelings
433
00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,501
about the Vietnam War?
434
00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:04,636
Mm-mm.
435
00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,376
[reporter] World Heavyweight
Champion Cassius Clay
436
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,745
refused to take the Oath
of Induction into the Army.
437
00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:17,149
The Black Muslim fighter, who's
also known as Muhammad Ali,
438
00:20:17,249 --> 00:20:18,850
was immediately
stripped of his title
439
00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:20,619
by the World Boxing Association.
440
00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:23,722
My intention is to
box, to win a clean fight,
441
00:20:23,855 --> 00:20:25,324
but in war,
442
00:20:25,457 --> 00:20:28,460
the intention is to
kill, kill, kill, kill,
443
00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:31,029
and continue
killing innocent people!
444
00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:34,666
Muhammad Ali refusing induction
into the United States Army
445
00:20:34,766 --> 00:20:36,235
during the height of the war
446
00:20:36,368 --> 00:20:41,840
had enormous sociological
and political impact.
447
00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:45,711
Muhammad Ali was
prohibited from fighting,
448
00:20:45,811 --> 00:20:47,679
and Madison Square Garden said
449
00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:53,352
that New York State would
recognize a championship fight
450
00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:56,455
between Joe Frazier
and Buster Mathis.
451
00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:58,490
Even the
fighters themselves know
452
00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,959
that they cannot be
considered world champions
453
00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:02,394
until they've
fought Muhammad Ali.
454
00:21:02,527 --> 00:21:04,029
What are your
feelings about the demonstration
455
00:21:04,162 --> 00:21:05,664
against the fight?
456
00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:06,732
Don't know anything about it.
457
00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:07,966
Got the fight on my mind.
458
00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:09,534
I get out there
and I go to work,
459
00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,170
and as long as Mathis
wanna be there and be smoked on,
460
00:21:12,337 --> 00:21:13,538
I'm gonna smoke him.
461
00:21:13,772 --> 00:21:16,308
[♪♪♪]
462
00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,012
Even before I
turned professional,
463
00:21:20,145 --> 00:21:22,848
I'd seen him
annihilate Buster Mathis.
464
00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:24,916
He beat that boy, beat that boy,
465
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:27,052
and finally knocked him out.
466
00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:28,287
From that point on,
467
00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:29,554
everyone was
afraid of the small guy.
468
00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,089
Frazier wasn't that big.
469
00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:34,259
He got the maximum out
of his physical abilities,
470
00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:37,195
fighting, you know,
the best of competition,
471
00:21:37,329 --> 00:21:39,031
Eddie Machen,
472
00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:40,966
George Chuvalo,
473
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:42,401
and Oscar Bonavena twice.
474
00:21:42,534 --> 00:21:44,036
[Hand Jr.] The
second Oscar Bonavena fight,
475
00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,537
I was ten years old.
476
00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:48,106
Joe's son, Marvis, and
I were around the same age,
477
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,441
and we were pretty good friends.
478
00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:51,343
My dad, of
course, put us at ringside.
479
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,913
I remember it being,
like, kind of a brutal fight.
480
00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:00,585
[Hand Jr.] After
the fight was over,
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00:22:00,719 --> 00:22:03,622
they rushed Marvis and I
back into Joe's dressing room,
482
00:22:03,722 --> 00:22:05,457
and I see
Oscar Bonavena walk in,
483
00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:09,294
and Bonavena did
not have his eyes open,
484
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:11,163
'cause they were
swollen shut, at that point,
485
00:22:11,296 --> 00:22:13,098
and somebody had to lift his arm
486
00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,934
to put it into
Joe's, and to shake his hand.
487
00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:19,638
The brutality of that sport
struck me that night, for sure,
488
00:22:19,738 --> 00:22:21,239
and it, and it
doesn't leave you.
489
00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:23,675
It's a brutal, brutal sport.
490
00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:30,615
Tomorrow night,
Joe fights Jimmy Ellis
491
00:22:30,782 --> 00:22:32,951
for the
World Heavyweight Championship
492
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:35,087
at Madison Square Garden.
493
00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,956
Music was what
he, he enjoyed doing,
494
00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,258
and people let him do it.
495
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,095
But right now, here
he is with The Knockouts,
496
00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,596
singing "Knock on Wood."
497
00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:45,931
[match bell dings]
498
00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:47,566
[crowd screaming]
499
00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:50,235
[♪♪♪]
500
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,738
♪ I don't want to lose ♪
501
00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:54,673
♪ This good thing, baby ♪
502
00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:56,575
♪ That I got ♪
503
00:22:56,708 --> 00:22:57,909
♪ If I do... ♪
504
00:22:58,076 --> 00:22:59,678
To go on The Ed Sullivan Show
505
00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,181
before the day he's
gonna fight Jimmy Ellis...
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00:23:03,348 --> 00:23:05,183
Live! And it was live back then!
507
00:23:05,317 --> 00:23:06,618
...he's supposed to be resting.
508
00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,220
I mean, this guy was,
like, made of concrete.
509
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,088
♪ I wonder Do
you feel it, baby? ♪
510
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:11,289
♪ Oww! ♪
511
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,125
♪ I wonder, do you feel it? ♪
512
00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:14,659
♪ Knock on wood ♪
513
00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,028
Not only was he doing
a good job on Ed Sullivan,
514
00:23:17,195 --> 00:23:18,397
he walks in the ring
515
00:23:18,497 --> 00:23:20,399
and does his day
job extremely well.
516
00:23:20,532 --> 00:23:23,602
[announcer] Champion Joe Frazier
takes on Jimmy Ellis.
517
00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,473
The bob-and-weave
style was staying low...
518
00:23:28,607 --> 00:23:31,376
like the Henry Armstrongs,
the Tysons of the world.
519
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,211
That's my whole
trick about fighting,
520
00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:34,713
you know what I mean?
521
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,282
Stay close on a man, and
take the room away from him.
522
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:39,518
There was a lot of
nuance to what he did, you know?
523
00:23:39,651 --> 00:23:41,520
He would use his
jab on different levels,
524
00:23:41,653 --> 00:23:42,888
then he'd double
with the left hook,
525
00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:44,022
so that'd surprise you.
526
00:23:44,156 --> 00:23:45,524
When you perfect it,
527
00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:47,926
it's very tough for
any opponent to deal with.
528
00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:49,461
Jimmy Ellis, to Joe,
529
00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,997
was just too relentless
and too powerful for him.
530
00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:53,899
He goes out
531
00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:55,567
and knocks
Jimmy Ellis out in five rounds.
532
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,335
[sportscaster] Joe
Frazier becomes
533
00:23:57,502 --> 00:23:59,504
the undisputed Heavyweight
Champion of the World
534
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,006
in Madison Square Garden.
535
00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:01,973
An elated...
536
00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:04,776
[audience applauding]
537
00:24:06,478 --> 00:24:09,915
[♪♪♪]
538
00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,718
America in 1971
539
00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:16,688
was divided over
the war in Vietnam,
540
00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:19,591
it was divided
over racial issues.
541
00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:23,962
Think about the
assassination of Malcolm X,
542
00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:25,030
Martin Luther King,
543
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:26,164
Robert Kennedy,
544
00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:27,566
and, of course,
545
00:24:27,699 --> 00:24:30,135
Muhammad Ali's
three-and-a-half-year exile.
546
00:24:30,235 --> 00:24:32,437
[♪♪♪]
547
00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:33,738
Black people got to the point
548
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,474
where they
couldn't take it no more.
549
00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:38,176
To make some
people understand sometimes
550
00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,378
you have to use
bottles and bricks.
551
00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:42,647
You may not intend on
it, you don't wanna use it,
552
00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:44,516
but then again,
you just have to.
553
00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:46,585
[Hauser] Muhammad Ali and Joe
554
00:24:46,718 --> 00:24:51,456
really became
surrogates for that culture war,
555
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:54,759
Muhammad
willingly, Joe unwillingly.
556
00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:56,928
When it came to the politics,
and the wars and stuff,
557
00:24:57,095 --> 00:24:59,431
he said, "I'm not qualified
to make a judgment on that."
558
00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:00,899
For Joe Frazier
to be a champion,
559
00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,200
he's gotta beat me.
560
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,948
There were times
during Ali's exile
561
00:25:17,082 --> 00:25:18,550
when they were quite friendly.
562
00:25:18,683 --> 00:25:21,219
Before he had his
title, uh, stripped from him,
563
00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:22,721
I had a lot of respect for him.
564
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:26,925
Joe was helpful to
Ali in different ways.
565
00:25:57,155 --> 00:25:58,056
You, Joe Frazier!
566
00:25:58,189 --> 00:25:59,791
I want my bout with y'all!
567
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:01,092
Ali was angry.
568
00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:03,528
He'd been stripped of his title.
569
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:07,599
He was being
treated by many Americans
570
00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:09,968
as an object of scorn.
571
00:26:15,106 --> 00:26:16,541
Joe said to me,
572
00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,377
"This scam booger has
got my money in his pocket,
573
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,912
and he's talkin' bad about me."
574
00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,681
The whole time,
going back, he said,
575
00:26:22,814 --> 00:26:24,316
"Yeah, I was
talking to him in the car,
576
00:26:24,449 --> 00:26:25,917
but I was thinking of how
577
00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:28,019
I'm gonna kill him
in the ring legally."
578
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:44,936
[chuckling]
579
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,574
When the white
man took his title
580
00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:52,877
and denied him a chance to
do anything to make a living,
581
00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:54,412
Joe Frazier stood up.
582
00:26:54,579 --> 00:26:55,914
He came to the plate.
583
00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:58,683
The main thing,
we were responsible
584
00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,518
for him to get
half of the purse,
585
00:27:00,652 --> 00:27:03,288
and after he got this money,
and got a little foothold,
586
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,723
you know what I mean,
587
00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,491
he tried to do
everything and say everything
588
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,093
to put me down.
589
00:27:19,738 --> 00:27:21,439
[Watson] It was 2.5 million each
590
00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,208
that they got for that fight.
591
00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:25,143
That was the
biggest sports payoff
592
00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:27,646
that an athlete got
in the history of sports.
593
00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:29,814
It's the biggest fight,
because for the first time,
594
00:27:29,948 --> 00:27:32,484
you've had a witty, quick,
fast-talking heavyweight champ.
595
00:27:32,617 --> 00:27:34,052
When the most of
them ask him a question,
596
00:27:34,185 --> 00:27:35,186
"How do you feel, champ?"
597
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,155
[speaking in gibberish]
598
00:27:37,288 --> 00:27:39,591
I think a lot of
Black people hear Ali saying,
599
00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:40,925
"In addition to everything else,
600
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,395
you're a country
boy, you're a farm boy.
601
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,597
If you want to
really get deep, you know,
602
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:47,132
you're a field slave."
603
00:27:47,265 --> 00:27:48,900
[continuing in gibberish]
604
00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:52,671
Ali called him
stupid, called him ignorant,
605
00:27:52,771 --> 00:27:54,105
called him "Uncle Tom,"
606
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:56,141
'cause he knew
Frazier was sensitive to that,
607
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,410
saying, "The white
man is controlling you."
608
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,012
'Cause he's the Uncle Tom.
609
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,956
He told me, "Look, this
guy keeps calling me Uncle Tom,"
610
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:13,525
and he said, "I
don't want my wife thinking
611
00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:15,093
that I'm peeping in windows."
612
00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:16,494
He actually thought
613
00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:17,829
he was calling
him a peeping Tom.
614
00:28:17,962 --> 00:28:19,764
He didn't know
what an Uncle Tom was.
615
00:28:19,931 --> 00:28:21,433
He's the other-type Negro.
616
00:28:21,566 --> 00:28:22,767
He's not like me.
617
00:28:22,901 --> 00:28:26,438
[Hauser] It was damaging to Joe,
618
00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:30,642
and it also made
that demeaning treatment
619
00:28:30,775 --> 00:28:32,877
of a certain
kind of Black person
620
00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:34,546
acceptable,
621
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,214
which it shouldn't have been.
622
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,348
He's a brother.
623
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:38,817
One day, he might be like me,
624
00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:41,686
but as of now, he
works for the enemy.
625
00:28:41,786 --> 00:28:44,122
Ali had tried to paint
Joe Frazier as an Uncle Tom,
626
00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:46,691
and somebody that
wasn't a part of the solution
627
00:28:46,791 --> 00:28:47,959
for Black people,
628
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:49,561
but was still
part of the problem.
629
00:28:49,694 --> 00:28:51,429
Why did he insist on
calling me Cassius Clay,
630
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,731
when even the
worst of the whites
631
00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:54,265
recognize Muhammad Ali?
632
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:55,533
He keeps saying "Clay"!
633
00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:56,935
"He's still
Clay, he gon' stay Clay,
634
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:58,937
and, to me,
he'll always be Clay."
635
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:01,973
Joe, for a long
time, did call him Ali.
636
00:29:02,107 --> 00:29:03,441
Uh, Ali made a
statement the other day
637
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,510
that he wants, uh, six million,
638
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:09,647
It wasn't until Ali
started disrespecting Joe
639
00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:11,950
that Joe
started calling him Clay.
640
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:14,953
I'm tired of all
these Uncle Tom Negros!
641
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,088
You might be
considered ignorant.
642
00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:19,824
"Uncle Tom" is an
entirely different thing.
643
00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:22,761
[Hauser] It was
very hurtful to his kids.
644
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,229
It's understandable
645
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:28,099
that Joe harbored
the ill will that he did.
646
00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,135
You talk from two
sides of your mouth!
647
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,370
One to the white,
and one to the Black!
648
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:37,108
Many people, as we all know,
rooted for Muhammad Ali openly
649
00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:38,443
because they saw him
650
00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:41,713
as a symbol of
the anti-war movement,
651
00:29:41,813 --> 00:29:44,182
and wrongly,
Joe Frazier was somehow cast
652
00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:46,351
as this darling of the
older white establishment
653
00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:47,952
in the United States.
654
00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:52,357
It's real difficult
for someone to say in public,
655
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:54,259
"I hate that
nigga, Muhammad Ali,"
656
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,761
so Joe serves the purpose
657
00:29:56,895 --> 00:30:00,465
of camouflaging
some of the racist ideas
658
00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:03,268
of certain individuals.
659
00:30:03,368 --> 00:30:05,170
Now, these people,
they don't give a shit
660
00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:06,304
about Joe Frazier.
661
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:07,739
The reality is,
662
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,842
they like Joe
because he's fighting Ali.
663
00:30:14,045 --> 00:30:14,546
Look at me, steady as a rock.
664
00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:17,148
Look at me, steady as a rock.
665
00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:20,251
To Joe, it was a battle
of, uh... really, of religion.
666
00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:24,189
He felt like he was destined
and called for that position.
667
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,725
Every person of
note was at that fight,
668
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:30,962
whether they were in politics,
entertainment, sports,
669
00:30:31,129 --> 00:30:32,130
you name it.
670
00:30:32,297 --> 00:30:33,798
We know it's a big
fight when Frank Sinatra
671
00:30:33,932 --> 00:30:35,900
is a photographer at ringside.
672
00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:38,369
Yank Durham, his trainer,
told him before the fight,
673
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:41,206
"You win this fight,
your life's set up forever."
674
00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,141
It was truly the
fight of the century.
675
00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,043
There hadn't
been a fight like that,
676
00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:47,011
with that much
magnitude, that much interest,
677
00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:48,880
in the history of boxing.
678
00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:52,350
[Slone] Joe once told me that
right before the fight with Ali,
679
00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,986
he was in the dressing room,
and he asked for some privacy,
680
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,788
and he claims
somebody came into the room
681
00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:58,389
and talked to him,
682
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,024
and, uh, he-he went out,
683
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:02,293
and he was upset
with the security guy,
684
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:03,561
and he said, "Who was it?"
685
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:04,929
And the
security guy assured him,
686
00:31:05,063 --> 00:31:06,431
"Nobody's been in that room."
687
00:31:06,564 --> 00:31:10,101
But Joe swore he got a
visit from a man wearing white,
688
00:31:10,235 --> 00:31:11,636
and he told me,
he said, he said,
689
00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:12,937
"Rich," he said,
"When I was in that room,"
690
00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:14,906
he said, uh, "God came to me."
691
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,409
He said, you know, like,
"God, can I ask you a question?"
692
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:19,944
And God said, "Certainly."
693
00:31:20,078 --> 00:31:22,947
He said, uh, "If I kill
this motherfucker tonight,
694
00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:24,249
will you forgive me?"
695
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:26,851
And he said,
"The Lord said 'yes'."
696
00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:28,853
[announcer] The undisputed
697
00:31:28,953 --> 00:31:31,089
Heavyweight Championship
of the World.
698
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,125
[commentator] Muhammad
Ali in the red trunks.
699
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:35,793
Joe Frazier in the green trunks.
700
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:36,928
They appear very light.
701
00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,330
[funky intro plays]
702
00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:42,967
Frazier will try to
bore in and catch this man.
703
00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:46,804
I don't think that Muhammad
was ready for the pressure.
704
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,573
[commentator] Joe
keeps coming in!
705
00:31:48,706 --> 00:31:49,807
As he was attacking,
706
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,176
there were many
different nuances,
707
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:53,278
and all the while,
708
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,380
a big part of it
was the head movement.
709
00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:05,290
[commentator] Ooh,
that must have hurt!
710
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,637
It is new for
Muhammad not to be in control.
711
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:21,706
[commentator] If
anybody is psyched here,
712
00:32:21,806 --> 00:32:23,608
it is not Joe Frazier.
713
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,109
Look at that hook!
714
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,011
That night, that
fight, Joe was possessed.
715
00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,280
[commentator] Frazier's
just laughing at him!
716
00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:30,281
[bell ringing]
717
00:32:30,381 --> 00:32:32,650
Round 11!
718
00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,592
[commentator] That
one hurt, so did that!
719
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,366
[commentator] All
right, this is the final round
720
00:32:48,499 --> 00:32:50,034
of the fight, and
what a fight it's been!
721
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,408
[crowd roars]
722
00:32:57,575 --> 00:32:58,910
The 15th-round knockdown?
723
00:32:59,043 --> 00:33:01,279
The coup de grâce, man.
724
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,948
[Bentt] Joe walks away,
725
00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:05,850
and I'm sure he's thinking,
726
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:09,487
"Am I a goddamn
Uncle Tom now, nigga?"
727
00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:12,156
He said to me once
728
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:15,460
he didn't realize how
much the correlation was
729
00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:17,862
between him using the left hook
730
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,530
and being his dad's left arm.
731
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:20,898
[Joe] My father, you know,
732
00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:22,800
he had one arm, and
I was his left-hand man,
733
00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:24,669
so therefore, I
learned to use my left hand more
734
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,070
than I did my right hand.
-Really?
735
00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,239
[Joe] I would go in the woods
736
00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:31,042
and probably pull the saw,
you know anything about that?
737
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:35,179
The knockdown came from
a signature Joe Frazier move
738
00:33:35,313 --> 00:33:37,448
that nobody in the
sport has ever done better,
739
00:33:37,615 --> 00:33:38,850
and that's a double left hook.
740
00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:41,119
It's the most beautiful timed
741
00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:43,588
work-of-art shot you'll ever see
742
00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:45,723
in the history of boxing,
743
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:48,026
and Joe didn't get his just due,
744
00:33:48,126 --> 00:33:50,028
because Ali bounced back up.
745
00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:52,163
[Bernstein] In
any other universe,
746
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,333
that knockdown
would be discussed as,
747
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,036
"Well, Joe Frazier
punctuates a big win
748
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,805
with a knockdown
in the 15th round."
749
00:34:00,905 --> 00:34:02,040
No, the narrative is,
750
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:04,208
"How did he get
up? It's amazing."
751
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:06,878
We were sitting
three rows ringside.
752
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,481
Boom! His back didn't even stay.
753
00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:12,216
Just, boom, he
just come right back up
754
00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,585
and stood up, and
looked at him like that.
755
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,055
I said, "Okay. Okay."
756
00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:18,723
It's part of
the bigger narrative
757
00:34:18,856 --> 00:34:20,058
that somehow
758
00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:22,660
the achievements
of Joe Frazier overall,
759
00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:24,562
and especially
as it relates to Ali,
760
00:34:24,695 --> 00:34:25,997
kind of get overshadowed.
761
00:34:26,164 --> 00:34:27,432
[Joe speaking]
762
00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:39,911
It's just hard to surpass
763
00:34:40,011 --> 00:34:43,314
what Muhammad Ali
represents in 1971...
764
00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:45,183
-[bell ringing]
-There it is!
765
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:46,717
[cheering]
766
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,754
...so even
though Joe won the fight,
767
00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:53,458
he's still cast in Ali's shadow.
768
00:34:53,558 --> 00:34:56,627
The winner by
unanimous decision,
769
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,630
Joe Frazier!
770
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,567
[Hand Jr.] Joe just
collapses in Yank's arms,
771
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,535
and he gives him a fatherly hug.
772
00:35:04,702 --> 00:35:07,405
It's a fatherly
hug, not a trainer's hug.
773
00:35:07,638 --> 00:35:09,574
[♪♪♪]
774
00:35:16,647 --> 00:35:18,282
[Slone] And the
action was so good,
775
00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,184
I heard two people died
of heart attacks in the arena.
776
00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:22,086
People in Northern Ireland
that were having their troubles,
777
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:23,721
apparently they stopped fighting
778
00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:26,224
and watched the fight
on the same TV in the bars.
779
00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:27,859
It stopped the world.
780
00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:30,828
One of the things
that people tend to forget
781
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:33,097
was that Joe won that fight.
782
00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:35,099
That was the
greatest fight of all time,
783
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:36,634
and Joe Frazier won that fight.
784
00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:39,470
You think he was
clownin'? He couldn't move!
785
00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:40,771
[press laughing]
786
00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:42,707
All them body
shots piling up on him.
787
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,609
One, two, three, it adds up.
788
00:35:44,742 --> 00:35:46,110
He would've died
789
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:48,513
before he allowed
Muhammad Ali to beat him.
790
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:56,287
Joe actually had started
to have physical problems
791
00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:58,189
after the Jimmy Ellis fight.
792
00:35:58,322 --> 00:36:01,192
He had issues with
high blood pressure.
793
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:08,799
[laughing]
794
00:36:14,772 --> 00:36:15,773
The doc wanted to check me up.
795
00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:17,208
He checked me up
796
00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:18,976
and find out that my
blood's a little high.
797
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:20,311
I was with him the whole time.
798
00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:23,080
For two, three
days, he was in there.
799
00:36:23,247 --> 00:36:25,183
I was watching his
blood pressure go up
800
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,417
and up and up.
801
00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:28,753
I said if we
got to 300 and some,
802
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,021
he would get a stroke.
803
00:36:30,154 --> 00:36:31,889
Muhammad Ali wins when he loses,
804
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:33,357
because all the
interviews afterwards,
805
00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:36,127
he's going, "Look at
me. Not a mark on my face.
806
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,962
Joe Frazier's all busted up."
807
00:36:38,095 --> 00:36:39,764
If you look at
Frazier's face and look at mine,
808
00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:41,265
there's no comparison.
809
00:36:41,399 --> 00:36:43,701
I'm sure I hit him
three times more than he hit me,
810
00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:45,503
if you watch the film.
811
00:36:45,603 --> 00:36:48,839
Joe got much less enjoyment
from his time as World Champion
812
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:50,341
than he would have had
813
00:36:50,474 --> 00:36:53,311
if Ali had painted a
different portrait of him.
814
00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:55,079
I feel like I'm
ready to go, man.
815
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,181
I'm trying to get out
of here as fast as I can.
816
00:36:57,315 --> 00:36:58,449
Number one, he's ugly...
817
00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,518
[laughter]
818
00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:01,752
[Hauser] It's a shame,
819
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,489
'cause Joe's
experience was far more typical
820
00:37:05,623 --> 00:37:07,458
of the Black
experience in America
821
00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:08,793
than Ali's,
822
00:37:08,926 --> 00:37:11,028
and they should
have been allies,
823
00:37:11,162 --> 00:37:12,964
rather than adversaries.
824
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,534
And who told him he could sing?
825
00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:18,102
He got him a big band,
826
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,104
he started traveling
the world with his new title,
827
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,440
thinking that he's
gonna sell 'em all out.
828
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:23,641
What is there to worry about?
829
00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:25,142
[laughing]
830
00:37:25,276 --> 00:37:27,078
The fighting money's
good, the singing money's good.
831
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:29,780
Look, and I can do
both of 'em. You know?
832
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:31,349
Why should I let it go by?
833
00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:33,985
And I'm having
fun while I'm doing it.
834
00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:35,386
Every time I
would read the paper,
835
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,021
there's a Joe Frazier appearance
836
00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:38,489
in this place in England,
837
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:41,025
the arena held
10,000, 37 people showed up.
838
00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,526
[laughter]
839
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,028
[Bentt] He's going
off on this concert tour,
840
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:45,596
like, you know?
841
00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:49,033
And that to me is an
indication of, like, you know,
842
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:52,069
he's not really
being a disciplined soldier
843
00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:54,105
to his craft, man.
844
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,440
[♪♪♪]
845
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:59,143
♪ Girl, try to remember ♪
846
00:37:59,243 --> 00:38:00,711
[crowd cheering]
847
00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:02,580
♪ We've had issues ♪
848
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:06,484
♪ We stuck
together Just me and you ♪
849
00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:08,552
[Bentt] A
fighter's life is, uh...
850
00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:10,288
is brutal.
851
00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:12,757
He was too courageous
to admit, you know, that, um,
852
00:38:12,923 --> 00:38:16,794
"I'm really not cut
out for this thing right now.
853
00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,329
I think I've hit my peak."
854
00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,999
Joe Frazier did what
he had to do for the world,
855
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,602
and that was
quiet the butterfly.
856
00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,139
After '71, he was
the people's champion,
857
00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,408
so he became the partying Joe.
858
00:38:30,574 --> 00:38:32,977
He was with people everywhere,
859
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:35,212
drinking and having a good time.
860
00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:37,648
He had an eye for
the ladies, always.
861
00:38:37,782 --> 00:38:40,051
He had some of the
prettiest women on the planet.
862
00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:41,519
[Averona Jr.] He loved women.
863
00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:43,888
He would go like
this, "Oof, look at that, Bo.
864
00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:45,523
That's an
18-wheeler over there."
865
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,525
That's what he would say because
she was built in the back.
866
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:48,759
[Joe speaking]
867
00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:01,939
[laughing]
868
00:39:06,377 --> 00:39:08,045
[Averona Jr.] So when
his dad was running moonshine,
869
00:39:08,212 --> 00:39:09,447
Joe would be in the car,
870
00:39:09,547 --> 00:39:11,082
so he said, "We'd
pull up to this place,"
871
00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:13,050
he goes, "And he
had me waiting in the car
872
00:39:13,217 --> 00:39:14,719
for friggin' two hours,
873
00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,088
so one day, I got out of the car
and I sneaked up the driveway."
874
00:39:17,221 --> 00:39:18,389
He said, "I look in the window,
875
00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:19,757
and I see him
kissing a woman and all,
876
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:22,326
that son of a
gun! So I'd run back,
877
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:24,061
and I would hide
in the car and wait."
878
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:25,629
And Rubin'd be
gone for an hour or two,
879
00:39:25,763 --> 00:39:27,765
and then when Joe
got of a certain age,
880
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:31,068
he would, he would go
in and chase the daughter.
881
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:33,204
He said, "So after a while,
882
00:39:33,337 --> 00:39:35,106
I started
kissing the daughters."
883
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,707
[laughs] It's a true story!
884
00:39:36,807 --> 00:39:38,809
He said, "I started
kissing the daughters."
885
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,747
[♪♪♪]
886
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:47,685
[Arum] Yank Durham
was an old-line boxing guy,
887
00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:50,421
which meant that if you had the
Heavyweight Champion,
888
00:39:50,521 --> 00:39:52,156
you'd take easy fights
889
00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:55,459
and pick up
whatever money's available.
890
00:39:55,593 --> 00:39:57,628
[commentator] Frazier
cutting him to ribbons now!
891
00:39:57,762 --> 00:39:59,430
The title is
just, it's just here.
892
00:39:59,563 --> 00:40:00,998
You know what I
mean? And I have it,
893
00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:03,534
so anybody would like
to try to take it from me,
894
00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:05,436
then these guys
gonna have to challenge me,
895
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:07,938
and these guys ain't
doing nothin' but making noise.
896
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,176
[Arum] The boxing
organizations said "enough."
897
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:16,313
Frazier had to fight
the number-one contender,
898
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,182
who was George Foreman.
899
00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,117
[blows thudding on bag]
900
00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:24,221
George Foreman, back then?
901
00:40:24,388 --> 00:40:26,424
Hoo! Was a beast.
902
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:27,658
[reporter]
Foreman is fresh and good.
903
00:40:27,792 --> 00:40:29,994
Frazier, since
his bout with Ali,
904
00:40:30,127 --> 00:40:31,328
has only fought twice,
905
00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:32,596
and both of those
opponents were nobodies.
906
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:35,299
The old bromide
that styles make fights
907
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,269
is never more
evident than in this match.
908
00:40:38,402 --> 00:40:39,537
[Howard Cosell] Well,
they're trying
909
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:40,905
to psych each other out.
910
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,607
I expected Joe Frazier
to beat George Foreman.
911
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:46,343
[Cosell] We may have
an interesting evening.
912
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:48,479
Frazier, quite
understandably the favorite.
913
00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:51,015
[Bentt] When George comes
out and makes that first swing,
914
00:40:51,148 --> 00:40:53,617
that is saying, "Hey, I'm here."
915
00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:56,720
[Cosell] There is no
fear in George Foreman.
916
00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:58,889
That's a lie.
He's terrified of Joe.
917
00:40:59,023 --> 00:41:00,758
The one guy I'd
gotten into the ring with
918
00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:03,294
that I was really
frightened of was Joe Frazier,
919
00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:04,595
because I'd followed his career.
920
00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:06,130
I'd seen him
stand up to everybody.
921
00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:07,765
You hit him hard, he liked it.
922
00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:10,835
Foreman had this
strategy of pushing Frazier off.
923
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,071
He was physically
strong enough to do it.
924
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,309
When George was
pushing Joe away,
925
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,578
he's upsetting Joe's balance.
926
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:24,315
So many times in that
fight, and it didn't last long,
927
00:41:24,448 --> 00:41:25,649
you'd see a left hook
928
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:27,818
4whistle past the
head of Foreman, short.
929
00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:30,421
[Cosell] I think
he hurt Joe Frazier!
930
00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:32,623
I think Joe is hurt!
931
00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:34,124
We're driving
in the car, I said,
932
00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:35,693
"Say, champ,
tell me what happened
933
00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,194
when you fought George Foreman."
934
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,997
He said, "He hit
me and my legs shook."
935
00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:41,398
[man] Frazier's hurt!
936
00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:43,000
[Cosell] Angie Dundee,
Ali's trainer,
937
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,568
right next to me is
saying, and you may hear him--
938
00:41:44,702 --> 00:41:46,604
Down goes Frazier!
939
00:41:46,704 --> 00:41:50,174
Down goes
Frazier! Down goes Frazier!
940
00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:51,609
"Down goes Frazier!"
941
00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:53,410
"So I tried
everything I could," he said.
942
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:54,979
"The man hit like TNT."
943
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,882
[Cosell] Foreman is
all over Joe Frazier.
944
00:41:57,982 --> 00:42:01,285
Frazier is down
again, and he may be...
945
00:42:01,418 --> 00:42:03,354
oh, he is rising.
946
00:42:03,487 --> 00:42:04,889
Getting hit on
the chin like that
947
00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:08,392
is tantamount to having
your... a computer unplugged.
948
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,061
He was still functional,
but he was like a zombie.
949
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,397
[Cosell] Two
knock-downs in the first round
950
00:42:13,497 --> 00:42:14,999
of Joe Frazier.
951
00:42:15,132 --> 00:42:16,033
Down again!
952
00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,401
Oh, saved by the bell!
953
00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:18,836
[Joe speaking]
954
00:42:23,307 --> 00:42:25,175
[Cosell] Frazier's
knees buckled.
955
00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:26,744
He is-- oh, he is down!
956
00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:29,880
He is down for the
fourth time in the fight!
957
00:42:33,517 --> 00:42:35,653
Foreman had the perfect style
958
00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:39,290
to beat a
fighter of Joe's style.
959
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:40,424
He was too big.
960
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,359
[Cosell] It is over. It is over.
961
00:42:42,526 --> 00:42:43,961
George Foreman
962
00:42:44,094 --> 00:42:47,031
is the Heavyweight Champion
of the World!
963
00:42:47,197 --> 00:42:49,066
They could've fought ten times,
964
00:42:49,166 --> 00:42:52,169
and George probably
would've won all ten.
965
00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:53,370
[Durham] Just
one of those things.
966
00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,705
Joe got fogged with a good shot,
967
00:42:54,872 --> 00:42:56,507
and no fighter, I don't think,
968
00:42:56,674 --> 00:42:57,575
no man would have
stood up under that shot.
969
00:42:57,675 --> 00:42:58,842
Getting up six times
970
00:42:59,009 --> 00:43:00,611
after being
knocked down six times?
971
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,179
That's courage, man,
972
00:43:02,313 --> 00:43:04,048
and we have to
admire that in Joe,
973
00:43:04,181 --> 00:43:05,416
because he was willing to die.
974
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:07,418
[Cosell] You
going to seek a rematch?
975
00:43:07,551 --> 00:43:08,719
Yeah, I would like to fight,
976
00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:10,087
or, you know, get
a rematch with him.
977
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:12,623
Styles make fights.
978
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:15,025
I think styles
have a lot to do with it,
979
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,461
but then, after he
had beaten Muhammad Ali,
980
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,496
there was not much
left of Joe Frazier.
981
00:43:19,663 --> 00:43:21,298
If I had fought
him two years earlier,
982
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:22,967
it wouldn't have been like that.
983
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,702
I didn't fight
the best Joe Frazier.
984
00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:26,537
Believe me, he wasn't the best.
985
00:43:26,704 --> 00:43:28,172
What we know now
986
00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:32,576
is that, uh, Joe had started
to slack off in training.
987
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:34,378
Lee Grant was
here, God rest his soul,
988
00:43:34,511 --> 00:43:36,113
he was Joe's
driver and his dear friend,
989
00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:39,183
and he said to me, "Bo,
don't listen to a word he said,
990
00:43:39,316 --> 00:43:41,719
because two weeks
before the George Foreman fight,
991
00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:43,754
he was hanging
out with this one,
992
00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:45,623
and that one,
you know what I mean?
993
00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:47,992
so he didn't take him serious."
994
00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:49,560
"Oh, yes, I did!"
995
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:50,928
And they started to
get into it a little bit,
996
00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:51,829
like with one another.
997
00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:53,364
He didn't make any excuses,
998
00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:55,699
and he gave
George all the respect.
999
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:03,374
Yeah, "Down goes
Frazier! Down goes Frazier!"
1000
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,276
That was the...
call of the West.
1001
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:07,544
"Down goes Frazier!"
1002
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,480
I mean, "Hey,
come on. Relax, man.
1003
00:44:09,613 --> 00:44:10,547
That's... that's not cool."
1004
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,049
Joe was a sensitive guy.
1005
00:44:12,182 --> 00:44:14,184
You know, he had
feelings like everybody else.
1006
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:16,020
[Cosell] Down goes Frazier!
1007
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,790
Down goes
Frazier! Down goes Frazier!
1008
00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:21,792
[newscaster] Sad news
from the world of sport.
1009
00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:24,828
Yank Durham,
long-time trainer and manager
1010
00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:28,632
of former World Heavyweight
Champion Joe Frazier, has died.
1011
00:44:28,732 --> 00:44:30,968
Durham suffered a
stroke two days ago,
1012
00:44:31,068 --> 00:44:34,505
and passed away this morning at
Temple University Hospital.
1013
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:37,107
He was 52 years old.
1014
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:38,409
[Joe] I really don't know
1015
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:39,710
where to go and what to do now.
1016
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,845
He said that he
was gonna let me know
1017
00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:45,516
when he think it's time
for me to retire, so, uh...
1018
00:44:45,649 --> 00:44:48,552
I'm very relieved that, uh,
1019
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,387
he will come
back and let me know,
1020
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,189
you know, in a dream,
1021
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:53,924
uh, what to do from here.
1022
00:44:58,662 --> 00:45:00,431
[Hand Sr.]
When Yank Durham died,
1023
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:01,665
it was real easy
1024
00:45:01,799 --> 00:45:04,134
for Eddie Futch
to just slide in.
1025
00:45:04,268 --> 00:45:05,502
[Bernstein] There are
1026
00:45:05,602 --> 00:45:07,638
a half dozen
trainers in the sport of boxing
1027
00:45:07,771 --> 00:45:09,339
that reach legendary status.
1028
00:45:09,473 --> 00:45:11,041
Eddie Futch was
one of those people.
1029
00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:13,677
[Hand Sr.] If you couldn't
get along with Eddie Futch,
1030
00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,679
you didn't belong in this world.
1031
00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:18,115
He was really,
really a nice guy.
1032
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,652
I would say, as of
now, uh, both of us have lost,
1033
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:24,154
and now we going
back to each other
1034
00:45:24,288 --> 00:45:26,323
to determine who's the best.
1035
00:45:26,423 --> 00:45:28,125
The second Ali-Frazier fight
1036
00:45:28,258 --> 00:45:30,594
was certainly less
anticipated than the first.
1037
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:32,830
Neither guy was
champion at the time.
1038
00:45:32,996 --> 00:45:35,132
It was 12 rounds, not 15.
1039
00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,067
Ali-Frazier II
1040
00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:39,536
is sort of like The
Godfather: Part III.
1041
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:41,071
it's easily forgettable.
1042
00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:44,007
[Cosell] That was almost
three years ago, Muhammad,
1043
00:45:44,174 --> 00:45:44,742
and you lost.
1044
00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,844
White people say I lost.
1045
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,345
And that's some white people.
1046
00:45:48,445 --> 00:45:50,614
All Black people know I won.
1047
00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,685
Ali put all sorts of
very ugly labels on him
1048
00:45:54,785 --> 00:45:57,855
that Joe was
never able to shake.
1049
00:45:57,955 --> 00:45:59,790
[Bernstein] When
they both got in the studio
1050
00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:01,058
with Howard Cosell,
1051
00:46:01,225 --> 00:46:04,528
and Ali created
the mayhem he created
1052
00:46:04,628 --> 00:46:07,464
playing on Joe's raw emotions,
1053
00:46:07,631 --> 00:46:08,999
that ignited the fight,
1054
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:11,502
and it ignited the
interest in the fight.
1055
00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:12,936
Stand up, man!
1056
00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,272
-Set down, Joe.
-Why you think I'm ignorant?
1057
00:46:15,372 --> 00:46:16,640
-Set down, Joe!
-Huh?
1058
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,008
-Set down.
-Why you think I'm ignorant?
1059
00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,676
-The brothers are here.
-You in this too?
1060
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:22,146
Set down quick, Joe!
1061
00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:25,682
It's a great
piece of, uh, television.
1062
00:46:25,816 --> 00:46:27,251
[Cosell] There is
no question in my mind
1063
00:46:27,417 --> 00:46:30,053
that Joe Frazier
is not clowning.
1064
00:46:30,154 --> 00:46:32,823
[Bentt] When you hurt
somebody who looked out for you,
1065
00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:36,360
tried to, um, get
your license back for you...
1066
00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:38,829
Come on, brother. Really?
1067
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:41,665
I would say to Joe,
"Joe, you, you pay him no mind,
1068
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,635
he's just talkin'
shit because that's Ali.
1069
00:46:44,768 --> 00:46:45,936
He wants to get your goat."
1070
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:47,671
He says, "I'm
gonna get his goat.
1071
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,306
I'm gonna get his
goat. I'm gonna get his goat.
1072
00:46:49,406 --> 00:46:50,607
I'm gonna get his goat."
1073
00:46:50,774 --> 00:46:51,775
[bell ringing]
1074
00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:53,177
[Cosell] The bell for round one,
1075
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:54,545
the action begins.
1076
00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:56,013
[Bentt] The
second Ali-Frazier fight,
1077
00:46:56,113 --> 00:46:58,482
there was a ghost
standing right next to Joe,
1078
00:46:58,615 --> 00:46:59,683
and that ghost
1079
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,352
was the person
who was knocked out
1080
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,321
at the hands of Big George.
1081
00:47:04,421 --> 00:47:05,689
It's not easy to overcome.
1082
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:07,391
[Cosell] And
that was a good right!
1083
00:47:07,524 --> 00:47:08,425
Joe was staggered there.
1084
00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:10,160
Ali shook Joe.
1085
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:13,263
Referee Tony Perez
thought he heard the bell.
1086
00:47:13,397 --> 00:47:16,133
[Cosell] Referee Tony Perez
separates the fighters,
1087
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:19,469
calls for the end of the
round, but I didn't hear a bell.
1088
00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:20,637
Then the fight resumed,
1089
00:47:20,771 --> 00:47:22,372
and there was talk afterwards
1090
00:47:22,472 --> 00:47:23,974
that Ali
would've knocked Joe out
1091
00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:26,443
if Perez hadn't
made that mistake.
1092
00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,378
No, I mean,
let's do the numbers,
1093
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:30,447
41 rounds of boxing,
1094
00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:33,650
and Ali never knocked Joe down.
1095
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:35,085
[Joe speaking]
1096
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:44,494
The fight is about to end,
1097
00:47:44,628 --> 00:47:46,063
and it is over!
1098
00:47:46,163 --> 00:47:49,299
Muhammad Ali has won the fight
1099
00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,968
on a unanimous decision!
1100
00:47:51,101 --> 00:47:52,903
I don't think
that was that far off.
1101
00:47:53,003 --> 00:47:54,438
You know what I mean?
1102
00:47:54,605 --> 00:47:56,139
I would say I fought.
1103
00:47:56,273 --> 00:47:58,008
I throw a more
effective punch anyway,
1104
00:47:58,141 --> 00:48:01,879
so I, I got no
argument about nothin'.
1105
00:48:02,012 --> 00:48:04,414
You ever hear
Joe Frazier crying?
1106
00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:05,849
Stand-up guy.
1107
00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:07,150
George was the champ,
1108
00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:09,319
so Ali-Frazier II
1109
00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:11,989
was more for bragging rights
1110
00:48:12,089 --> 00:48:14,458
and the right to
fight George Foreman next.
1111
00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:16,159
George Foreman was just...
1112
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:19,162
it's hard to convey to people
just how he was demolishing
1113
00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:21,732
individuals who got
in the ring with him.
1114
00:48:21,865 --> 00:48:25,602
Both Joe Frazier
and Ken Norton beat Ali,
1115
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:29,206
and George Foreman
barely broke a sweat.
1116
00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:31,341
When I fought
Muhammad Ali in Africa,
1117
00:48:31,508 --> 00:48:34,077
fear had all just disintegrated.
1118
00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,780
I had no longer
any fear for anything.
1119
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,349
This was gonna be the
easiest fight of my life.
1120
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,088
When Joe Frazier
fought Muhammad Ali
1121
00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:46,390
in Madison Square Garden,
1122
00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:47,891
he would've died
1123
00:48:47,991 --> 00:48:50,093
before he allowed
Muhammad Ali to beat him.
1124
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,162
When I fought
Muhammad Ali in Africa,
1125
00:48:52,296 --> 00:48:55,132
I fought a
Joe Frazier reincarnate.
1126
00:49:05,909 --> 00:49:08,045
[crowd roaring]
1127
00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,683
And so while Ali has
regained the mountaintop,
1128
00:49:12,816 --> 00:49:15,686
Joe is almost,
I think, forgotten,
1129
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:17,287
but you have their rivalry.
1130
00:49:17,421 --> 00:49:18,689
It's mythical.
1131
00:49:18,822 --> 00:49:20,857
It's... it's
literary. It's cinematic.
1132
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,192
Joe Frazier had kind of
1133
00:49:22,326 --> 00:49:23,527
rehabilitated
himself a little bit.
1134
00:49:23,694 --> 00:49:25,295
He beat Quarry. He beat Ellis.
1135
00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:27,030
That got Frazier back
1136
00:49:27,164 --> 00:49:30,033
in a position where they
could sell the third Ali fight.
1137
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,236
These two men and their
styles were so compelling...
1138
00:49:33,403 --> 00:49:34,504
[crowd cheering]
1139
00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:36,406
...that people had in
the back of their mind,
1140
00:49:36,506 --> 00:49:39,242
"Wow, this is still something
we should pay attention to."
1141
00:49:39,409 --> 00:49:40,711
Without Joe Frazier,
1142
00:49:40,844 --> 00:49:43,613
there wouldn't have been no Ali.
1143
00:49:49,219 --> 00:49:51,822
Imagine if, after winning
the Rumble in the Jungle,
1144
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:53,090
Ali says, "I'm done."
1145
00:49:53,223 --> 00:49:54,925
That's a perfect narrative,
1146
00:49:55,058 --> 00:49:56,793
but, you know, life
doesn't really work that way,
1147
00:49:56,927 --> 00:49:59,796
so Ali-Frazier one more time.
1148
00:49:59,930 --> 00:50:01,732
[Ali] Here's the way
he looks when you hit him.
1149
00:50:01,898 --> 00:50:03,734
Come on, gorilla! We in Manila!
1150
00:50:03,867 --> 00:50:05,869
[laughter]
1151
00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:08,271
Ali's treatment of Joe Frazier,
1152
00:50:08,405 --> 00:50:10,574
the demeaning portrayal of Joe,
1153
00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,709
hurt a lot more people than Joe.
1154
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:13,844
It involved
1155
00:50:13,977 --> 00:50:16,013
a lot of unfortunate comments
1156
00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:18,782
around his
appearance, his intelligence...
1157
00:50:18,915 --> 00:50:22,486
the sort of thing
that racist white people
1158
00:50:22,586 --> 00:50:24,688
would say perhaps in private
1159
00:50:24,821 --> 00:50:26,723
about a Black person,
1160
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:28,158
Ali's saying in public.
1161
00:50:28,291 --> 00:50:29,693
I'm gon' keep
this gorilla with me
1162
00:50:29,826 --> 00:50:31,495
every day until the fight.
1163
00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:34,197
It reinforced
1164
00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:38,902
the stereotypical
view that some people had
1165
00:50:39,002 --> 00:50:40,937
of Black people,
1166
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,540
slow-moving, shuffling...
1167
00:50:43,673 --> 00:50:47,144
[mumbling unintelligibly]
1168
00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:52,182
[Don King] This is
indeed a proud moment for me
1169
00:50:52,315 --> 00:50:53,483
to welcome the
people of the world
1170
00:50:53,617 --> 00:50:55,285
to the saga of our lifetime,
1171
00:50:55,419 --> 00:50:56,887
Superfight III,
1172
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:58,288
the Thrilla in Manila.
1173
00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:01,158
[Arum] The Marcoses,
who ran the Philippines,
1174
00:51:01,324 --> 00:51:02,592
knew nothing about boxing.
1175
00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:05,762
They wanted Ali
specifically in a big fight,
1176
00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,165
because they had a big problem
1177
00:51:08,298 --> 00:51:12,736
with the Muslims in Mindanao,
1178
00:51:12,836 --> 00:51:15,505
and they felt that they
could calm everything down
1179
00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:19,643
if they brought over
this great Muslim to fight
1180
00:51:19,776 --> 00:51:21,178
in the Philippines.
1181
00:51:21,311 --> 00:51:23,547
The fighter that
they wanted him to fight
1182
00:51:23,647 --> 00:51:25,182
was Joe Frazier.
1183
00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:36,793
[Don Dunphy] And
here's Joe Frazier
1184
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:38,228
coming into the ring.
1185
00:51:38,361 --> 00:51:41,031
[Hauser] The feeling
was that Joe was shot,
1186
00:51:41,164 --> 00:51:44,101
that Ali'll dance
around for eight, nine rounds,
1187
00:51:44,201 --> 00:51:45,335
knock Joe out,
1188
00:51:45,469 --> 00:51:47,137
and will go on
to the next fight.
1189
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,006
[Dunphy] It's 15
rounds, and here is round one!
1190
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,208
[Bernstein]
The Thrilla in Manila
1191
00:51:51,341 --> 00:51:52,709
was a fight in three parts.
1192
00:51:52,809 --> 00:51:53,810
The first part of the fight,
1193
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:55,145
it looked for all the world
1194
00:51:55,245 --> 00:51:58,381
like Ali was exposing Joe
1195
00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:01,151
as a fighter who
just had lost his ability
1196
00:52:01,251 --> 00:52:04,087
to fight in the upper echelon
of the Heavyweight Division.
1197
00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:07,591
Muhammad was handling Joe
for three rounds, four rounds...
1198
00:52:07,691 --> 00:52:08,825
[crowd shouting]
1199
00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:10,927
...and then, all
of a sudden, boom!
1200
00:52:11,061 --> 00:52:12,395
[crowd erupts]
1201
00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:15,165
I don't think I've
ever seen a sporting event
1202
00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:17,167
turn as dramatically
1203
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,169
as that fight turned
in those middle rounds.
1204
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,937
Frazier is very strong!
1205
00:52:21,071 --> 00:52:24,274
[crowd shouting]
1206
00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:31,114
Joe came into that
fight fueled by absolute hatred.
1207
00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:32,616
Ali took more punishment
1208
00:52:32,782 --> 00:52:35,852
than I think anybody
would ever be able to take.
1209
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,122
Joe Frazier
landed hellacious shots,
1210
00:52:39,256 --> 00:52:41,124
and somehow Ali withstood them.
1211
00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:44,327
All of a sudden,
the fight turned again,
1212
00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:47,330
because Joe Frazier
just ran out of gas.
1213
00:52:48,198 --> 00:52:50,333
[Dunphy] And Ali
is scoring on him.
1214
00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:52,102
He had vision
problems in both eyes,
1215
00:52:52,235 --> 00:52:54,938
and Ali, as exhausted as he was,
1216
00:52:55,071 --> 00:52:59,876
was able to summon up the energy
to land those straight shots
1217
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,645
as Frazier was coming in,
1218
00:53:01,778 --> 00:53:03,713
and the Frazier head movement
was less than it had been
1219
00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,115
earlier in the fight.
1220
00:53:05,215 --> 00:53:07,083
13th round, Joe can't
see out of his left eye.
1221
00:53:07,217 --> 00:53:10,287
Muhammad was trying to
cement, you know, the victory,
1222
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,923
throws a right hand...
1223
00:53:13,056 --> 00:53:15,659
Joe's mouthpiece goes flying.
1224
00:53:15,792 --> 00:53:17,661
[crowd shouting]
1225
00:53:19,563 --> 00:53:21,631
Essentially,
it's target practice.
1226
00:53:22,465 --> 00:53:24,100
There's a moment in the corner
1227
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,002
where Joe drinks the water
1228
00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:27,804
and spits the water out,
1229
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:31,441
and the water is completely red.
1230
00:53:33,076 --> 00:53:34,477
It's not water
anymore, it's blood.
1231
00:53:34,644 --> 00:53:37,847
Eddie Futch had
let the fight go on
1232
00:53:37,981 --> 00:53:39,249
after the 13th round
1233
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,952
in the hope that
things might change.
1234
00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:42,953
They didn't.
1235
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,288
[crowd shouting]
1236
00:53:46,856 --> 00:53:48,225
[Dunphy] Frazier is hurt.
1237
00:53:48,358 --> 00:53:51,628
He was getting hit
again and again and again.
1238
00:53:51,795 --> 00:53:53,196
[crowd shouting]
1239
00:53:55,966 --> 00:53:58,535
After the 14th round,
1240
00:53:58,668 --> 00:54:01,838
Ali and Joe went
back to their corners.
1241
00:54:01,938 --> 00:54:04,941
[bell ringing]
1242
00:54:05,108 --> 00:54:08,812
Both men had been... brutalized.
1243
00:54:08,945 --> 00:54:10,647
Uh, Joe was getting hit
1244
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:13,350
by punches that he
couldn't see coming.
1245
00:54:17,954 --> 00:54:22,092
[Dunphy] The doctor
comes up and looks at Frazier.
1246
00:54:22,225 --> 00:54:24,060
I think it's gonna be over!
1247
00:54:24,194 --> 00:54:28,665
In the most difficult
moment to stop a fight,
1248
00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:32,035
on the biggest stage
you could possibly have,
1249
00:54:32,202 --> 00:54:34,904
Eddie Futch had the
courage of his convictions
1250
00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:36,273
to realize Joe was in trouble
1251
00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:40,076
and in danger of
being hurt, badly.
1252
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:41,444
[Joe speaking]
1253
00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:51,154
[Dunphy] It's all over!
1254
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:52,922
[cheering]
1255
00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:55,558
[Boyd] One can't stand up
1256
00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:57,627
and one can't see.
1257
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:09,973
Whew.
1258
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,208
Oh, my god.
1259
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:15,011
That's a
supremely human moment, man.
1260
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,515
We can see the child in Joe.
1261
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:23,086
We can see the lover in Joe,
1262
00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:25,322
the beast in Joe,
1263
00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:28,992
and we can see the
human hurt animal in Joe.
1264
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,561
[♪♪♪]
1265
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:35,231
[Bernstein]
Eddie Futch called the fight
1266
00:55:35,365 --> 00:55:38,635
because he just couldn't
see Joe Frazier continuing on.
1267
00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:41,071
While it wasn't
popular with Joe Frazier,
1268
00:55:41,237 --> 00:55:42,372
and Joe had difficulty with it,
1269
00:55:42,472 --> 00:55:44,474
Eddie Futch, he
never felt regret,
1270
00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:46,776
because he knew it
was the right decision.
1271
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:55,518
[Prince] That
night, Marvis was in Manila.
1272
00:55:55,652 --> 00:55:57,887
Muhammad called
Marvis into his dressing room,
1273
00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:01,491
and when Marvis got
the apology from Muhammad,
1274
00:56:01,658 --> 00:56:03,226
"Tell your dad
he's a great champion
1275
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,561
and a great man,
1276
00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,129
and I said everything I said
1277
00:56:06,262 --> 00:56:07,630
just to promote
these incredible fights,"
1278
00:56:07,764 --> 00:56:09,733
Marvis came running back
into his dad's dressing room
1279
00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:10,700
to tell him,
1280
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,735
and Joe lost it,
1281
00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:14,204
and said, "You
ain't Joe Frazier, son.
1282
00:56:14,337 --> 00:56:16,706
Why ain't he apologize to me?"
1283
00:56:16,806 --> 00:56:18,375
But he is great.
1284
00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:21,378
I don't know no
other fighter today
1285
00:56:21,478 --> 00:56:23,880
besides myself
1286
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:25,782
who can beat Joe Frazier.
1287
00:56:25,915 --> 00:56:27,617
Going beyond the result,
1288
00:56:27,717 --> 00:56:31,087
which says
"KO-14" in the record book,
1289
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,789
you could almost
look at that fight,
1290
00:56:32,922 --> 00:56:34,491
on some very primal level,
1291
00:56:34,657 --> 00:56:35,759
as a draw.
1292
00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:40,497
I don't think
there were any... winners.
1293
00:56:40,663 --> 00:56:42,565
It was the bull and the matador.
1294
00:56:42,699 --> 00:56:45,735
It was... everything
anybody could ever want
1295
00:56:45,835 --> 00:56:47,303
in a combat.
1296
00:56:47,437 --> 00:56:50,240
These guys were
made for each other.
1297
00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:51,441
You look at Manila,
1298
00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:53,143
and it's an advertisement
1299
00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,546
for everything
that's best about boxing,
1300
00:56:56,646 --> 00:56:59,449
and also for everything
that's worst about boxing.
1301
00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:05,455
They both left
everything in that 20-foot ring.
1302
00:57:05,555 --> 00:57:06,723
[Boyd] Going forward,
1303
00:57:06,823 --> 00:57:09,592
life for Ali,
life for Joe Frazier
1304
00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:10,994
will never be the same.
1305
00:57:11,127 --> 00:57:13,663
They're beyond their prime.
1306
00:57:13,797 --> 00:57:16,065
It's not going to be glamorous
1307
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,034
and celebratory
1308
00:57:18,134 --> 00:57:19,436
and spectacular.
1309
00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:22,772
They end that
fight as two old men.
1310
00:57:30,313 --> 00:57:31,881
Joe fought Foreman again.
1311
00:57:32,048 --> 00:57:34,684
They didn't even
sell all the tickets there.
1312
00:57:34,818 --> 00:57:37,220
[Cosell] Look what he's done!
1313
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,323
He's shaved his head!
1314
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,325
"Champ, what
happened in the second fight?"
1315
00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,028
He says, "The second
fight, I trained to kill him."
1316
00:57:45,161 --> 00:57:46,896
I said, "Smoke, I'm telling you,
1317
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:50,033
when I watched you fight him,
your midsection was thicker."
1318
00:57:50,166 --> 00:57:52,902
"No, Bo, my weight was
right." I said, "Smoke, listen."
1319
00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:59,209
[Cosell] Joe Frazier weighed
in at a surprising 224.5 pounds,
1320
00:57:59,342 --> 00:58:03,179
eight and a half more
pounds than he's ever carried.
1321
00:58:09,752 --> 00:58:11,321
"Then, when I
stepped in the ring,
1322
00:58:11,454 --> 00:58:15,225
I looked at
him, and I backed up."
1323
00:58:15,358 --> 00:58:17,227
Joe Frazier never
backs up in a fight.
1324
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,428
He said, "On
that particular night,
1325
00:58:18,561 --> 00:58:19,929
I was backing up, waiting,
1326
00:58:20,063 --> 00:58:21,664
'cause I didn't want to
get hit with them punches."
1327
00:58:21,798 --> 00:58:23,967
[Cosell] Frazier
against the ropes.
1328
00:58:24,067 --> 00:58:25,368
[crowd cheering]
1329
00:58:25,502 --> 00:58:28,972
Foreman was
absolutely devastating
1330
00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:32,876
when he fought a smaller guy.
1331
00:58:38,681 --> 00:58:40,984
[Cosell] Frazier,
trying to fight back.
1332
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:44,888
I knew what Joe
was going through
1333
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,389
when he was
fighting with one eye,
1334
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:47,924
why he stayed so close to him.
1335
00:58:48,057 --> 00:58:51,160
I know how Joe Frazier
passes eye tests, too.
1336
00:58:51,327 --> 00:58:53,229
He's the one who
told me how to pass it.
1337
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:55,632
[Cosell] One
right hurts Frazier.
1338
00:58:55,765 --> 00:58:57,867
Frazier! Frazier's down!
1339
00:58:57,967 --> 00:58:59,536
[crowd roaring]
1340
00:58:59,702 --> 00:59:02,672
Frazier is down from a right!
1341
00:59:02,772 --> 00:59:05,642
He said, "You don't
switch eyes, you switch hands.
1342
00:59:05,775 --> 00:59:07,844
I would cover with this hand,
1343
00:59:07,944 --> 00:59:09,445
then when you
say, 'switch eyes,'
1344
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,314
I would switch hands,
1345
00:59:11,447 --> 00:59:13,550
and the doctor
would never say nothin'."
1346
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:16,152
[Cosell] Frazier
taking it from George Foreman!
1347
00:59:16,252 --> 00:59:17,287
Foreman kno--
1348
00:59:17,453 --> 00:59:18,922
Foreman again with the right!
1349
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:21,824
The second
knockdown in the round.
1350
00:59:21,991 --> 00:59:22,892
[chuckling]
1351
00:59:26,496 --> 00:59:28,264
[laughing]
1352
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,736
[Cosell] Harold Valan
says the fight is over!
1353
00:59:33,836 --> 00:59:36,005
Frazier as game as ever,
1354
00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:37,740
but now, inevitably,
1355
00:59:37,874 --> 00:59:41,811
the boxing career
over for Joe Frazier.
1356
00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:44,681
Joe Frazier would
want to be remembered
1357
00:59:44,847 --> 00:59:46,749
as a great World Champion,
1358
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:49,118
the people's
champion. He loved people.
1359
00:59:49,218 --> 00:59:50,553
His heart
1360
00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:53,356
was as big as the
Empire State Building.
1361
00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:56,025
I'm pleased
with, with Joe Frazier,
1362
00:59:56,192 --> 00:59:57,260
and I'm pleased with the public,
1363
00:59:57,393 --> 00:59:59,362
and pleased with the plan,
1364
00:59:59,495 --> 01:00:01,931
and, uh, I think,
1365
01:00:02,065 --> 01:00:05,501
for the consideration
that you have for me, uh...
1366
01:00:05,635 --> 01:00:07,904
I think that it's time
for me to put it on the wall,
1367
01:00:08,071 --> 01:00:11,174
and go ahead and just
boogie, boogie, boogie.
1368
01:00:11,307 --> 01:00:14,477
[funk music playing]
1369
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,080
[engine revving]
1370
01:00:19,082 --> 01:00:21,951
[♪♪♪]
1371
01:00:24,754 --> 01:00:26,689
[instrumental playing]
1372
01:00:26,823 --> 01:00:28,625
[Hand Jr.] In 1978,
1373
01:00:28,758 --> 01:00:30,960
I would've been
a junior in college,
1374
01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:33,963
in a small school in
Northeastern Pennsylvania,
1375
01:00:34,097 --> 01:00:37,900
and Joe was singing at a lounge
in Scranton, Pennsylvania,
1376
01:00:38,034 --> 01:00:39,902
so, uh, of course,
all my friends were like,
1377
01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:41,804
"Are you kidding
me? Yes, we're coming,"
1378
01:00:41,938 --> 01:00:43,606
and that
commercial had just come out,
1379
01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:45,208
the Miller Lite commercial.
1380
01:00:45,341 --> 01:00:48,244
♪ When you order a
beer Do like Smokin' Joe ♪
1381
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:49,612
♪ Order Lite beer from Miller ♪
1382
01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:51,481
♪ And say no more ♪
1383
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,650
Joe starts
singing a couple songs,
1384
01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,119
and I guess during a
break, somebody yells out,
1385
01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:57,286
"Do the Miller Lite commercial!"
1386
01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:58,755
And he goes, "All right."
1387
01:00:58,888 --> 01:01:00,356
♪ 'Cause Lite's less filling ♪
1388
01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:03,393
♪ Hey, that
really knocks me out! ♪
1389
01:01:03,493 --> 01:01:04,861
Before the end of the night,
1390
01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:05,995
he probably sang that
Miller Lite commercial,
1391
01:01:06,095 --> 01:01:07,764
like, 15 times...
1392
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:09,232
[cheering]
1393
01:01:09,365 --> 01:01:11,000
...and then sat down
with all my college buddies,
1394
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:13,102
and drank beer with
us the rest of the night,
1395
01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:14,837
and we'd go, "Joe,
sing that commercial again."
1396
01:01:14,937 --> 01:01:16,372
♪ Lite tastes great ♪
1397
01:01:16,472 --> 01:01:17,740
[Hand Jr.] And
he'd sing the commercial,
1398
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,442
and he made my
friends that night, you know,
1399
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:20,777
feel that if they
were friends of mine,
1400
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:22,779
they were
friends of Joe Frazier's,
1401
01:01:22,912 --> 01:01:25,181
and, uh, that's why I loved him.
1402
01:01:25,314 --> 01:01:28,418
[funk intro playing]
1403
01:01:28,584 --> 01:01:30,086
[Barbara St. Lee]
In the early 1980s,
1404
01:01:30,219 --> 01:01:32,588
I got to work
with Smokin' Joe Frazier
1405
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:34,724
as a Knockout singer,
1406
01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,526
and it was a real thrill.
1407
01:01:36,659 --> 01:01:38,761
I'm still riding on a cloud.
1408
01:01:39,962 --> 01:01:41,731
I know a lot of
people used to say,
1409
01:01:41,831 --> 01:01:43,266
"Oh, Joe can't sing,"
1410
01:01:43,399 --> 01:01:45,134
but when you went to the show,
1411
01:01:45,268 --> 01:01:47,970
and saw that this
man was really singing,
1412
01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,773
and he was
really expressing himself
1413
01:01:50,907 --> 01:01:51,908
through his lyrics,
1414
01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:55,411
you could feel his expression,
1415
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,080
that he was
taking you from the gym,
1416
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,882
taking you from
when he was growing up,
1417
01:02:00,016 --> 01:02:03,086
taking you from
now, performing the song.
1418
01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:05,722
He was, like,
telling you a story
1419
01:02:05,855 --> 01:02:08,524
of what he did
throughout his life.
1420
01:02:08,691 --> 01:02:09,992
You could see
1421
01:02:10,126 --> 01:02:12,061
that it's just
something that touched his soul,
1422
01:02:12,161 --> 01:02:15,498
and he wanted others
to feel the same way...
1423
01:02:15,631 --> 01:02:18,668
touch the soul of
you, and you, and you,
1424
01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:21,337
that meant so much to him.
1425
01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:23,606
[Prince] White America
always thought Joe Frazier
1426
01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:24,907
was this
blue-collar working man,
1427
01:02:25,007 --> 01:02:26,175
but, man, he
was the king of swag.
1428
01:02:26,342 --> 01:02:29,312
He was way more
swag than Ali ever was.
1429
01:02:29,445 --> 01:02:32,014
[Witherspoon] When he
comes in, the room shines up,
1430
01:02:32,148 --> 01:02:34,117
electricity just
start spreading everywhere.
1431
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:36,185
It was always
about the best suits,
1432
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,588
and the colors that
popped, and the gold chain,
1433
01:02:38,688 --> 01:02:40,289
and the gold ring,
1434
01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:41,657
and that hat
1435
01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,092
that nobody could
sport like Smokin' Joe,
1436
01:02:43,192 --> 01:02:45,795
and a big wad of cash,
always down in his sock,
1437
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,396
sometimes both his socks,
1438
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,599
and he took a
lot of pride in that.
1439
01:02:49,699 --> 01:02:53,236
If you are a star,
you shine everywhere.
1440
01:02:53,369 --> 01:02:55,638
[Bernstein] There was
a benefit in Atlantic City.
1441
01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:57,240
Joe Frazier and the Knockouts
1442
01:02:57,406 --> 01:03:00,209
were gonna come on right
after my wife and her sister,
1443
01:03:00,309 --> 01:03:01,544
the Rocco Sisters,
1444
01:03:01,677 --> 01:03:04,147
and Connie was
coming down some stairs,
1445
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,750
and she had one of those combs
that had, like, a tip on the end
1446
01:03:07,884 --> 01:03:09,218
that you would
tease your hair with,
1447
01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:10,653
so it was very sharp,
1448
01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:13,589
and her heel caught
on one of the stairs.
1449
01:03:13,756 --> 01:03:15,691
She lunged forward,
1450
01:03:15,858 --> 01:03:19,028
and stabbed
Joe Frazier in the stomach.
1451
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:22,431
He went down to one knee,
1452
01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:25,234
and uttered
this immortal line...
1453
01:03:25,401 --> 01:03:27,003
"The bitch stabbed me!"
1454
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:28,538
[laughing]
1455
01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:33,843
And so security
rushed in, and, of course,
1456
01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:35,778
she was horrified,
and everyone was horrified,
1457
01:03:35,912 --> 01:03:37,046
but they had to
run out on stage,
1458
01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:39,782
so she ran out
on stage after the...
1459
01:03:39,916 --> 01:03:41,651
[laughing] ...
after the incident.
1460
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,119
You can't make that up.
1461
01:03:43,286 --> 01:03:45,288
[reporter] It's
4:30 in the morning,
1462
01:03:45,421 --> 01:03:47,723
and former Heavyweight
Champion Smokin' Joe Frazier
1463
01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:49,992
is running through the
frigid streets of Chicago
1464
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,361
on what he hopes
will be his comeback trail.
1465
01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:55,031
Not bad for an old man, huh?
1466
01:03:55,164 --> 01:03:57,767
When fighters well past
their prime continue fighting,
1467
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,937
like Ali did with Berbick,
1468
01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:02,972
what Joe did with Cummings,
1469
01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,874
they can say whatever they want,
1470
01:04:04,974 --> 01:04:07,577
it's pride, they still have
it, they want to feel young...
1471
01:04:07,743 --> 01:04:10,279
there's only one
word why it happened,
1472
01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:12,615
and that word is "money."
1473
01:04:12,748 --> 01:04:13,583
[reporter] He's
coming out of retirement
1474
01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:14,884
after five years
1475
01:04:15,017 --> 01:04:16,652
to fight Jumbo Cummings,
1476
01:04:16,786 --> 01:04:18,321
a relatively unknown 30-year-old
1477
01:04:18,454 --> 01:04:20,656
who spent 12 of those
years in prison for murder.
1478
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,959
[Bentt] Joe with Jumbo Cummings,
1479
01:04:23,092 --> 01:04:25,027
and Muhammad
with Trevor Berbick,
1480
01:04:25,161 --> 01:04:29,398
they were fights that
should not have been sanctioned,
1481
01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:30,766
but in boxing, that's allowed.
1482
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,268
Why is that?
1483
01:04:32,401 --> 01:04:33,236
But, you know, I get it.
1484
01:04:33,369 --> 01:04:34,704
I get it.
1485
01:04:34,837 --> 01:04:38,374
But I, um... I don't get it.
1486
01:04:42,912 --> 01:04:44,947
Removed from
Manila by six years,
1487
01:04:45,081 --> 01:04:46,482
it just demonstrated
1488
01:04:46,616 --> 01:04:49,485
how much that fight took
out of each of them as well.
1489
01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:52,255
Happy ending, you knew
that wasn't going to happen.
1490
01:04:52,355 --> 01:04:54,490
[announcer] The
decision, a draw!
1491
01:04:54,590 --> 01:04:59,262
[crowd booing]
1492
01:04:59,362 --> 01:05:03,399
It's hard for an
athlete to leave the game
1493
01:05:03,532 --> 01:05:04,667
when they're on top.
1494
01:05:04,767 --> 01:05:06,135
I got a chance to go down
1495
01:05:06,269 --> 01:05:08,371
as the greatest
athlete, not boxer,
1496
01:05:08,471 --> 01:05:09,438
in the history.
1497
01:05:09,572 --> 01:05:12,174
I can make so many people wrong.
1498
01:05:12,308 --> 01:05:13,976
Obviously, it
didn't work out well.
1499
01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:17,613
It-it just was not a
good evening, on every level.
1500
01:05:18,447 --> 01:05:22,151
[man] No, no! Oh, no!
1501
01:05:22,285 --> 01:05:24,754
Ali, Frazier, in
terms of their career,
1502
01:05:24,854 --> 01:05:28,357
their life as
professional boxers is over,
1503
01:05:28,491 --> 01:05:32,261
and there's nothing spectacular
or glamorous about it.
1504
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:36,565
Life sometimes is not
kind, but it's always real.
1505
01:05:42,004 --> 01:05:46,175
[♪♪♪]
1506
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,249
[Hand Jr.] Joe
definitely lived his life
1507
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:55,184
on North Broad Street
at that gym,
1508
01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,453
and, you know,
people could walk in there
1509
01:05:57,553 --> 01:05:58,788
every day and say hello.
1510
01:05:58,921 --> 01:06:01,357
Joe bought the gym
after the Foreman fight.
1511
01:06:01,524 --> 01:06:03,459
It was $87,000.
1512
01:06:07,463 --> 01:06:09,298
It looked like some of
the movies I'd watch on TV,
1513
01:06:09,398 --> 01:06:10,599
street life, it's
North Philadelphia,
1514
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:11,968
ghetto.
1515
01:06:12,101 --> 01:06:13,069
When I walked
in, I just thought,
1516
01:06:13,202 --> 01:06:14,603
"This is what greatness is."
1517
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:22,511
And Joe came, was, "Hey, hey,
1518
01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:24,880
you gotta put more
weight on your left leg, Tim."
1519
01:06:25,014 --> 01:06:27,516
Putting the weight in
between my knee and my ankle,
1520
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:29,986
putting it down
there, and then turn, bam!
1521
01:06:30,086 --> 01:06:32,989
so my left hook, he
taught me how to do that, yeah.
1522
01:06:33,122 --> 01:06:34,357
Take the room
away from him, Mark!
1523
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,858
Goddamn breathe on him!
1524
01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:38,894
On the top of the
gym was a roof, a rooftop,
1525
01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:40,930
so he decided that, uh,
1526
01:06:41,063 --> 01:06:44,400
he was gonna turn that
rooftop into a bachelor's loft.
1527
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,036
[Averona Jr.] When you walked in
Joe Frazier's office,
1528
01:06:47,136 --> 01:06:48,504
he had a great big desk.
1529
01:06:48,604 --> 01:06:50,573
He would call his
back office "The Dungeon."
1530
01:06:50,706 --> 01:06:52,041
He had a little refrigerator.
1531
01:06:52,141 --> 01:06:53,576
We had liquor back there.
1532
01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:56,645
Then he would lift his,
his couch up, like Godzilla,
1533
01:06:56,779 --> 01:06:58,214
and, just picked it up,
1534
01:06:58,347 --> 01:07:00,216
and he had all these
guns piled on top of each other.
1535
01:07:00,349 --> 01:07:02,051
[Slone] The second
story was just a big warehouse,
1536
01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:04,687
and at the back of that
was a dormitory for fighters.
1537
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:06,188
It had no hot water.
1538
01:07:06,288 --> 01:07:08,290
The opposite
side of the steel door
1539
01:07:08,424 --> 01:07:09,458
was crack addicts.
1540
01:07:09,592 --> 01:07:11,794
And we put six beds
in the back of the gym,
1541
01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:13,462
a heater, and a kitchen.
1542
01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:16,165
And then, it's cold water,
and, you know, it was drafty,
1543
01:07:16,298 --> 01:07:17,800
which I was fine
with, 'cause it was,
1544
01:07:17,967 --> 01:07:19,568
it was really... it
made you fight harder.
1545
01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:21,704
[fighters grunting]
1546
01:07:21,837 --> 01:07:22,671
When Joe comes into the gym,
1547
01:07:22,805 --> 01:07:24,206
first thing he does
1548
01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:26,475
is walk up them steps,
go to his music, hit play,
1549
01:07:26,609 --> 01:07:28,244
come back
downstairs, and, "Let's work."
1550
01:07:28,411 --> 01:07:32,048
[Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier
had the Fighting Fraziers,
1551
01:07:32,148 --> 01:07:35,885
and he just put everything
he could in his fighters.
1552
01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:37,219
They couldn't be him,
1553
01:07:37,319 --> 01:07:40,523
but they all
wanted to be like him.
1554
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:41,891
[Joe] What time is it?
1555
01:07:42,024 --> 01:07:42,858
[men] It's fightin' time!
1556
01:07:43,025 --> 01:07:44,593
What time is it?
1557
01:07:44,727 --> 01:07:45,628
It's KO time!
1558
01:07:45,761 --> 01:07:49,298
Come on! Let's go! Let's go!
1559
01:07:52,268 --> 01:07:54,570
Marvis Frazier had
a good amateur record,
1560
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:56,906
and Marvis Frazier
was a very tough fighter.
1561
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,374
[commentator] The referee,
1562
01:07:58,507 --> 01:08:00,543
the only man who
can stop the fight.
1563
01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711
Round one!
1564
01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,047
Larry Holmes is
a serious fighter.
1565
01:08:05,147 --> 01:08:07,950
[commentator] And here's
Marvis, with the hands down!
1566
01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,153
Marvis got a little
cocky, and he dropped his hands.
1567
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,389
[commentator] That
could be a big mistake!
1568
01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:15,958
Marvis Frazier's
career probably got accelerated,
1569
01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,727
maybe because of
the-the opportunities
1570
01:08:18,861 --> 01:08:19,929
for money fights,
1571
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:22,298
partially because of who he was.
1572
01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:26,168
[crowd shouting]
1573
01:08:26,302 --> 01:08:27,536
When Marvis gets hit,
1574
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:29,205
you could see in Joe's eyes
1575
01:08:29,338 --> 01:08:31,807
how he was hurtin' for his son.
1576
01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:33,209
Had to be very
difficult for Joe Frazier
1577
01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:35,244
to experience that,
you know, in the corner.
1578
01:08:35,377 --> 01:08:38,380
I think they pushed
Marvis a little too fast,
1579
01:08:38,514 --> 01:08:40,883
'cause it was easy,
it was fun for Larry.
1580
01:08:41,016 --> 01:08:41,917
Larry just was playing,
1581
01:08:42,051 --> 01:08:43,219
like, he was playing,
1582
01:08:43,352 --> 01:08:45,354
and, to me,
that was embarrassing.
1583
01:08:46,422 --> 01:08:49,191
Joe loved Marvis.
They were so close.
1584
01:08:49,325 --> 01:08:50,559
[Witherspoon] I would wait,
1585
01:08:50,693 --> 01:08:52,294
"My name is
Marvis Frazier. My dad is Joe."
1586
01:08:52,461 --> 01:08:53,929
Try to build it
up a little bit more,
1587
01:08:54,063 --> 01:08:56,065
and maybe they
could've got two million,
1588
01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:59,602
but they did it, and
this is the result, so...
1589
01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:04,306
[♪♪♪]
1590
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,075
[commentator] Tyson
comes out slugging.
1591
01:09:06,242 --> 01:09:09,078
He comes out smoking,
like Marvis's father, Joe.
1592
01:09:09,245 --> 01:09:11,714
They said Marvis tried
to fight like Joe Frazier,
1593
01:09:11,881 --> 01:09:13,015
"Joe's not a good trainer
1594
01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,517
'cause he trains
everybody this way,"
1595
01:09:14,617 --> 01:09:16,018
and Joe's answer was,
1596
01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:17,453
"You better be able
to fight like Joe Frazier
1597
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:18,621
if you wanna make it."
1598
01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:23,125
[commentator] Uppercut,
and Marvis is hurt.
1599
01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,593
Yeah, he's hurt. He's down.
1600
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,762
I don't think Marvis
ever disappointed Joe,
1601
01:09:26,862 --> 01:09:28,330
even in the fights he lost.
1602
01:09:28,464 --> 01:09:30,332
You know, Joe was
super proud of him.
1603
01:09:30,466 --> 01:09:33,335
When you saw
Marvis Frazier with his father,
1604
01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:37,139
there was such
respect and admiration
1605
01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:40,776
and love from
Marvis towards Joe.
1606
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:44,013
It was something
very, very special.
1607
01:09:44,113 --> 01:09:47,816
So what I know about Marvis,
when he had his two big fights,
1608
01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:49,385
Larry and Mike Tyson,
1609
01:09:49,518 --> 01:09:51,320
Joe, the way he told me was,
1610
01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:52,755
it was to kinda
help the Fraziers out
1611
01:09:52,888 --> 01:09:55,524
and get a
little love, M-O-N-E-Y,
1612
01:09:55,658 --> 01:09:56,959
in his pocket.
1613
01:09:57,092 --> 01:10:00,362
He was just in the
process of a divorce.
1614
01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:03,265
He was in the
process of moving out
1615
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:05,267
of the mansion that he had,
1616
01:10:05,401 --> 01:10:07,570
you know, the house that
he had with his wife, Florence.
1617
01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:09,572
[Averona Jr.]
Joe loved his family.
1618
01:10:09,672 --> 01:10:11,507
You know, you're
with somebody for so long,
1619
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,375
you kinda fall
out of love. You know?
1620
01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:18,013
Joe had 11 kids,
and... six different mothers.
1621
01:10:18,113 --> 01:10:20,516
Joe and Marvis and
those guys were like this.
1622
01:10:20,683 --> 01:10:22,885
Marvis is a
God-fearing, righteous man,
1623
01:10:23,018 --> 01:10:24,620
almost the polar opposite to Joe
1624
01:10:24,753 --> 01:10:26,255
when it comes to
the party atmosphere.
1625
01:10:26,388 --> 01:10:27,456
He'd just say, "Aw, Pop."
1626
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:29,959
He'd say, "Pop. Not again, Pop."
1627
01:10:30,092 --> 01:10:31,126
[Watson] Joe took
care of his family.
1628
01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:33,929
He made sure, financially,
1629
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,665
that he lived up
to his obligations
1630
01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,434
as a father, as a man.
1631
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:39,835
Once a month,
1632
01:10:39,969 --> 01:10:42,071
we would sit in the
office and make up envelopes,
1633
01:10:42,171 --> 01:10:44,273
and I've never said
this before to anyone.
1634
01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,209
I would personally
hand-deliver the envelopes
1635
01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:50,546
to... different mothers,
1636
01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,249
because Joe wanted to
take care of his children.
1637
01:10:53,382 --> 01:10:54,984
You know, any time
he made a bunch of money,
1638
01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:56,352
he would always make
sure the kids are good
1639
01:10:56,485 --> 01:10:58,053
and his grandkids were good.
1640
01:10:58,187 --> 01:11:01,957
If you have 11 kids,
that costs a lot of money,
1641
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,460
and that's gonna drain you,
1642
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,263
no matter how much
money you're able to make.
1643
01:11:07,396 --> 01:11:09,465
Life is conflicting.
Boxing's conflicting.
1644
01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:13,035
Having your father as
your trainer is conflicting.
1645
01:11:13,135 --> 01:11:14,103
-Very good!
-Hit! Hit!
1646
01:11:14,236 --> 01:11:15,537
Don't worry 'bout it.
1647
01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:18,707
Joe had five of his
relatives in the gym,
1648
01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,142
different weight classes.
1649
01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,511
The one that he
felt had the most talent
1650
01:11:22,645 --> 01:11:23,946
was Hector.
1651
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:25,914
G-Man 'bout to come alive.
1652
01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:27,583
Joe called him "G-Man,"
1653
01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:29,985
and he fought under
Joe Frazier Jr. professionally.
1654
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,989
[commentator] 21-year
old Smokin' Joe Frazier Jr.
1655
01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:35,257
[Slone] No fear at all.
1656
01:11:35,391 --> 01:11:36,458
He'd grown up on
the streets of New York.
1657
01:11:36,558 --> 01:11:38,060
Hector was the real deal.
1658
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,595
[commentator] And
a big left hook!
1659
01:11:39,728 --> 01:11:41,330
And a straight right
and another left hook!
1660
01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:44,066
Lopez is on the
bottom strand of the ropes,
1661
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:45,934
and he goes down!
1662
01:11:46,068 --> 01:11:47,336
He was messin'
with the wrong people,
1663
01:11:47,503 --> 01:11:48,971
and he got involved
with substance abuse,
1664
01:11:49,071 --> 01:11:51,040
and his life went
down the wrong road,
1665
01:11:51,206 --> 01:11:52,941
and Joe did not approve at all.
1666
01:11:53,075 --> 01:11:54,476
He, uh...
1667
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,178
he would tell him, you
know, "I worked my whole life
1668
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,213
to make this Frazier
name something special,
1669
01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,049
and you're fucking it up."
1670
01:12:00,215 --> 01:12:02,418
I might go to
bed saying to myself,
1671
01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:06,588
"What if you do lose?" You know?
1672
01:12:06,722 --> 01:12:08,757
When he got
arrested, that hurt Joe,
1673
01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:11,160
so he ended up going
to jail for a long time.
1674
01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:13,829
That's a setback for you.
1675
01:12:13,929 --> 01:12:15,698
You don't want no setback.
1676
01:12:15,798 --> 01:12:17,099
[Slone] Joe, I think,
1677
01:12:17,266 --> 01:12:19,335
was way more
sensitive than people realize,
1678
01:12:19,468 --> 01:12:20,936
and it hurt Joe so... so bad.
1679
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:23,038
Joe used to always say,
when he was hurt, he was like,
1680
01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:24,673
"I just
swallowed a razor blade."
1681
01:12:24,807 --> 01:12:27,142
[Watson] Hector would call
when he got busted, he said,
1682
01:12:27,309 --> 01:12:30,212
"I'm fighting three
and four times a day, man."
1683
01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,680
He said,
"They're challenging me.
1684
01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:34,717
They're challenging me
because I'm Joe Frazier Jr.
1685
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:36,251
I'm tired."
1686
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,288
And he wanted
to talk to his dad.
1687
01:12:39,455 --> 01:12:41,090
[Slone] Joe wouldn't
talk to him for a long time.
1688
01:12:41,223 --> 01:12:42,624
He didn't take the phone calls,
1689
01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:44,693
and that's because he
was swallowing razor blades.
1690
01:12:44,827 --> 01:12:46,795
In the beginning, he would
visit him, and then he stopped.
1691
01:12:46,929 --> 01:12:49,732
[Watson] It
really took a toll on Joe,
1692
01:12:49,832 --> 01:12:53,669
and it... it broke
him, uh, as a father.
1693
01:12:53,802 --> 01:12:55,437
[Slone] Hector was
his own man, I guess,
1694
01:12:55,571 --> 01:12:57,373
and he made decisions,
1695
01:12:57,473 --> 01:12:59,174
and, "Oh, I had a disease,"
1696
01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:00,609
or whatever it was
1697
01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:02,511
that they're calling
for that kind of life.
1698
01:13:02,678 --> 01:13:04,213
His downfall
1699
01:13:04,346 --> 01:13:07,015
was something that
was the toughest thing
1700
01:13:07,116 --> 01:13:09,084
that I saw him go through
1701
01:13:09,251 --> 01:13:10,886
during my time with him.
1702
01:13:10,986 --> 01:13:12,154
[Slone] And their relationship
1703
01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:14,089
never got to
where it should've been
1704
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,892
between a father and a son.
1705
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:29,872
[Prince]
Muhammad Ali apologized to Joe
1706
01:13:29,972 --> 01:13:31,340
in The New York Times,
1707
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,409
and said, "If God
called me into a holy war,
1708
01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:35,978
I'd want Joe Frazier
there right beside me."
1709
01:13:36,111 --> 01:13:37,346
[laughing]
1710
01:13:37,446 --> 01:13:38,814
[director] That's
what he said about you.
1711
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:45,521
I got so
excited, I called up Joe.
1712
01:13:45,654 --> 01:13:47,823
"Champ, I think it's
time. Let's make this happen."
1713
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:49,258
He goes, "You know what, Prince?
1714
01:13:49,391 --> 01:13:51,160
You tell that son of a bitch,
1715
01:13:51,326 --> 01:13:53,362
why's he gotta
speak to the damn reporter?
1716
01:13:53,495 --> 01:13:55,297
Why can't he do
that to my face?"
1717
01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:57,433
I was like, "Oh, my God."
1718
01:13:57,599 --> 01:13:59,501
There were times
when they'd get together,
1719
01:13:59,635 --> 01:14:01,470
and Joe would be civil,
1720
01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,272
but for the most part,
1721
01:14:03,405 --> 01:14:04,940
the hatred was
there, and it remained.
1722
01:14:05,073 --> 01:14:06,542
I put an agent spin on it,
1723
01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:08,377
just said, "It's
not a sincere apology.
1724
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:10,112
He'd like it to be to his face."
1725
01:14:10,212 --> 01:14:11,980
And then Ali, of
course, came back with,
1726
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,783
"When you see Joe Frazier,
tell him he's still a gorilla."
1727
01:14:14,883 --> 01:14:17,186
I'm gon' keep this
gorilla with me every day
1728
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:18,821
until the fight.
1729
01:14:18,954 --> 01:14:20,722
[Slone] His way of
saying who won the fights,
1730
01:14:20,856 --> 01:14:23,225
he would compare
his physical abilities
1731
01:14:23,358 --> 01:14:24,827
to Muhammad.
1732
01:14:24,927 --> 01:14:26,128
[Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier
would turn around and go,
1733
01:14:26,261 --> 01:14:27,563
"Yo, Bo. Look at him.
1734
01:14:27,696 --> 01:14:29,364
He's telling people
he's got Parkinson's.
1735
01:14:29,498 --> 01:14:32,701
He don't have Parkinson's.
He's got left-hook-itis."
1736
01:14:32,868 --> 01:14:36,472
[♪♪♪]
1737
01:14:38,574 --> 01:14:40,175
[Prince] I got a
call from Howard Bingham,
1738
01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:42,744
"Hey, I'm with
Lonnie, and we want to know
1739
01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:46,548
if you and Joe and Marvis will
come to Muhammad's suite tonight
1740
01:14:46,682 --> 01:14:47,649
and have dinner with us,"
1741
01:14:47,783 --> 01:14:49,451
so I got to catch up with Joe,
1742
01:14:49,551 --> 01:14:52,020
and I'm nervous as hell,
man, my palms are sweating.
1743
01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,455
He looks at me, goes,
1744
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:54,756
"All right, boss man,
let's do it. What time?"
1745
01:14:54,923 --> 01:14:56,291
As simple as could be,
1746
01:14:56,391 --> 01:14:59,094
I have chills right
now from saying it, and...
1747
01:15:03,565 --> 01:15:06,201
Seven years of non-stop trying
1748
01:15:06,335 --> 01:15:07,903
and pushing and near-misses...
1749
01:15:08,036 --> 01:15:10,572
so we meet and
head over to Ali's hotel,
1750
01:15:10,706 --> 01:15:12,541
and Joe leans down at one point
1751
01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:14,209
to kind of fix his sock...
1752
01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,078
he's got a
holster with a gun in it.
1753
01:15:16,211 --> 01:15:18,881
Like, "What the
heck is going on?"
1754
01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:20,415
We get in the hallway.
1755
01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:22,551
We're literally three
doors down from Ali's suite,
1756
01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,920
and Marvis starts
laughing, like a little kid.
1757
01:15:25,053 --> 01:15:26,221
He goes, "You really thought
1758
01:15:26,388 --> 01:15:27,656
he was gonna come
here and shoot Ali?"
1759
01:15:27,823 --> 01:15:30,492
And we knock on the
door, and what a moment!
1760
01:15:30,659 --> 01:15:32,995
Joe just kind of
trots over to him.
1761
01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,030
Muhammad smiling.
1762
01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:36,598
Joe puts his hand on Ali's leg,
1763
01:15:36,732 --> 01:15:38,934
Ali puts his
hand on Joe's hands.
1764
01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:40,869
Joe goes, "Come on,
man. Let me help you up."
1765
01:15:41,003 --> 01:15:44,907
And Muhammad's shoulder is
just lying on Joe's shoulder,
1766
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,810
with both of them
had tears in their eyes,
1767
01:15:48,944 --> 01:15:52,915
and Lonnie looks at
me, and said, "Hey, Joe."
1768
01:15:53,048 --> 01:15:55,751
She looks over
and says, "Thank you,
1769
01:15:55,884 --> 01:15:58,120
because Muhammad
just found peace."
1770
01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:59,254
[Joe speaking]
1771
01:16:08,797 --> 01:16:10,566
Joe had a period in
his life where I think
1772
01:16:10,699 --> 01:16:12,401
maybe he was
drinking a little too much,
1773
01:16:12,534 --> 01:16:15,637
and there was a
little surliness to him.
1774
01:16:15,737 --> 01:16:17,272
That wasn't really
the real Joe Frazier.
1775
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:18,640
[Joe speaking]
1776
01:16:27,249 --> 01:16:29,217
The real Joe Frazier
1777
01:16:29,384 --> 01:16:30,819
was the Joe Frazier
1778
01:16:30,953 --> 01:16:33,789
that took care of
everybody in his neighborhood
1779
01:16:33,922 --> 01:16:36,391
and took care of
the people around him.
1780
01:16:36,491 --> 01:16:39,494
There's not too
many celebrities out here
1781
01:16:39,661 --> 01:16:42,197
that can be down to
earth like Joe Frazier was.
1782
01:16:42,331 --> 01:16:43,732
He cared.
1783
01:16:43,865 --> 01:16:46,735
If he saw you stranded
and your car was pulled over,
1784
01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:49,338
he got out of his car
and got up under the car
1785
01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:50,906
to see if he could
find out what was wrong.
1786
01:16:51,006 --> 01:16:52,307
And I remember
I was 16 years old
1787
01:16:52,441 --> 01:16:53,442
when he took me under his wing.
1788
01:16:53,575 --> 01:16:54,843
It's just in his DNA to help.
1789
01:16:54,977 --> 01:16:56,478
You knew you had
somebody covering your back,
1790
01:16:56,578 --> 01:16:57,946
and I don't
know any other people
1791
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,514
really like
that, to that degree.
1792
01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,882
I mean, what he did
for me is unbelievable.
1793
01:17:01,049 --> 01:17:02,684
When Nelson Mandela
got out of prison,
1794
01:17:02,818 --> 01:17:04,653
the two people he wanted to meet
1795
01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:06,488
was Joe Frazier
and Muhammad Ali,
1796
01:17:06,588 --> 01:17:08,790
so I'm sitting
in a room with Joe,
1797
01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,460
he's thinking, uh, "I
gotta give him something,"
1798
01:17:11,593 --> 01:17:14,496
and on the top of the
dresser was his WBC belt.
1799
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:16,665
You know, to have
a championship belt,
1800
01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:18,233
that's everything to a boxer,
1801
01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,936
and Joe gave him
what was left of him,
1802
01:17:21,069 --> 01:17:26,708
but Nelson Mandela was trippin'
that he got to meet Joe Frazier.
1803
01:17:26,875 --> 01:17:29,745
Every time you go into the ring,
1804
01:17:29,845 --> 01:17:32,714
you lose a piece of yourself
1805
01:17:32,881 --> 01:17:34,449
you can never get back.
1806
01:17:34,616 --> 01:17:36,885
The question is, how much?
1807
01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:39,054
[Averona Jr.] I
was worried about Joe
1808
01:17:39,187 --> 01:17:40,555
as he started to get older.
1809
01:17:40,722 --> 01:17:43,425
His speech was a little slurred,
and his balance was off.
1810
01:17:43,525 --> 01:17:44,926
[Slone] There's
no way, you know,
1811
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:47,462
he didn't have
some damage from boxing.
1812
01:17:47,596 --> 01:17:49,064
At the end of the day,
1813
01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:52,367
the human body wasn't
meant to be beaten like that.
1814
01:17:52,534 --> 01:17:54,636
They all pay a price, you know.
1815
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:56,038
Joe is no exception to the rule.
1816
01:17:56,171 --> 01:17:57,906
And I don't think
he was fully intact,
1817
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,175
but I guess it was worth
the price of admission, man.
1818
01:18:00,308 --> 01:18:02,277
He's a legend.
1819
01:18:14,222 --> 01:18:16,525
I couldn't get him
for, like, three, four days,
1820
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,427
so I'm starting to get worried,
1821
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,961
and I knew he
wasn't feeling good,
1822
01:18:20,095 --> 01:18:22,798
but I didn't know
how serious it was,
1823
01:18:22,931 --> 01:18:25,467
so I ended up
getting Denise on the phone,
1824
01:18:25,567 --> 01:18:26,835
and she was taking care of him.
1825
01:18:27,002 --> 01:18:29,504
She goes, "He's
really sick. He's got cancer."
1826
01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,040
Lonnie called
me on November 5th,
1827
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:33,141
I was at Joe's highrise,
1828
01:18:33,275 --> 01:18:34,443
and he was already in hospice,
1829
01:18:34,576 --> 01:18:36,678
and Lonnie said,
"We just saw the news.
1830
01:18:36,812 --> 01:18:38,180
This is as bad
as I've seen Muhammad
1831
01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:39,748
since his mother passed."
1832
01:18:39,848 --> 01:18:42,217
The covers were all
the way pulled up on him.
1833
01:18:42,384 --> 01:18:43,652
I take my phone out,
1834
01:18:43,785 --> 01:18:46,188
and I got a
picture of a woman on there,
1835
01:18:46,321 --> 01:18:47,222
so I clicked on it,
1836
01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:48,590
and I put it to him,
1837
01:18:48,757 --> 01:18:50,292
and I notice that
eye focusing in on it,
1838
01:18:50,425 --> 01:18:51,827
and like this, again,
1839
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,930
"Oof," he goes,
"Bo, that's an 18-wheeler.
1840
01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:56,998
Put that away."
So I put it away.
1841
01:18:57,165 --> 01:19:00,435
He said, "When you
take your last breath,"
1842
01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:03,004
[deep breath]
1843
01:19:03,171 --> 01:19:04,773
"...Lord, forgive me,"
1844
01:19:04,873 --> 01:19:06,675
He said, "You'll
get right in Heaven."
1845
01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:08,176
That's what he told me.
1846
01:19:08,276 --> 01:19:09,244
That was it.
1847
01:19:09,377 --> 01:19:11,179
We held, I held his hand...
1848
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:12,581
and then I left,
1849
01:19:12,714 --> 01:19:15,550
and then, like, two
days later, he was gone.
1850
01:19:15,784 --> 01:19:18,420
[♪♪♪]
1851
01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:23,492
I was a pallbearer that day,
1852
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,428
along with Sonny Averona
1853
01:19:26,561 --> 01:19:28,063
and Willie "The Worm" Munroe,
1854
01:19:28,163 --> 01:19:29,297
Michael Spinks,
1855
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:31,633
and some of the
Frazier family, Mark Frazier,
1856
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,302
and I don't know who
was, who was in charge
1857
01:19:34,436 --> 01:19:35,804
of being the pallbearers stuff,
1858
01:19:35,971 --> 01:19:37,606
but my hand was the
last hand that pushed it in,
1859
01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,474
you know, "I got your back, man,
1860
01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:41,643
'cause I know
you'd have my back."
1861
01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:44,479
Muhammad Ali, he
wasn't in great shape himself,
1862
01:19:44,646 --> 01:19:46,281
but he stood
basically the whole time,
1863
01:19:46,414 --> 01:19:47,916
and clapped the whole time,
1864
01:19:48,016 --> 01:19:49,551
with an action and a speed
1865
01:19:49,651 --> 01:19:51,820
that I hadn't seen
Muhammad use in long time.
1866
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:55,056
They had a special
bond, and you could see it then.
1867
01:19:55,190 --> 01:19:58,727
I wish Joe could've
seen it. Well, maybe he did.
1868
01:19:59,427 --> 01:20:02,063
[♪♪♪]
1869
01:20:02,197 --> 01:20:04,266
Joe Frazier's one of the
greatest fighters of all time.
1870
01:20:04,432 --> 01:20:07,335
There's only a few guys you
can even put in that category.
1871
01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:08,870
He'd go down, he'd get back up.
1872
01:20:09,004 --> 01:20:11,339
Joe Frazier had
nothin' but fight in him.
1873
01:20:11,473 --> 01:20:12,841
[Tyrone Frazier] To this day,
1874
01:20:12,974 --> 01:20:15,911
it's still, like, man,
this great man passed away.
1875
01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:17,813
I'm not putting the words right,
1876
01:20:17,946 --> 01:20:21,016
but he just seemed
like a superman to me.
1877
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:25,020
[♪♪♪]
1878
01:20:25,153 --> 01:20:27,789
The Heavyweight Champion
of the World...
1879
01:20:27,889 --> 01:20:29,791
Joe Frazier!
1880
01:20:29,891 --> 01:20:33,261
[crowd roaring]
1881
01:20:33,361 --> 01:20:35,764
[bell ringing]
1882
01:20:35,864 --> 01:20:37,299
[♪♪♪]
1883
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:38,633
[commentator] Round one!
1884
01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,669
[funky song playing]
1885
01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,839
A superstar,
Olympic gold medalist...
1886
01:20:44,005 --> 01:20:46,608
winning a Heavyweight
Championship back then,
1887
01:20:46,741 --> 01:20:48,476
he's an icon. Absolute icon.
1888
01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:49,978
[cheering]
1889
01:20:50,111 --> 01:20:52,414
There were no
frills about Joe Frazier.
1890
01:20:52,547 --> 01:20:54,583
He didn't try
to hide who he was.
1891
01:20:54,716 --> 01:20:57,452
"I'm Joe Frazier,
and I'm gonna be me."
1892
01:20:57,586 --> 01:20:59,020
[laughter]
1893
01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:02,290
One of the most unfortunate
things in sports history
1894
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:05,093
is that Joe Frazier
ended up having to live
1895
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:08,597
under the
shadow of Muhammad Ali,
1896
01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:11,333
because the
Joe Frazier story on its own
1897
01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:12,534
is so extraordinary
1898
01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:14,736
that it serves as a beacon
1899
01:21:14,836 --> 01:21:18,240
to people who face long odds.
1900
01:21:18,373 --> 01:21:20,208
[Cosell] The crowd
is chanting, "Ali!"
1901
01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:22,344
and Joe says,
"Come on out and fight."
1902
01:21:22,444 --> 01:21:23,578
[Averona Jr.] I loved Joe.
1903
01:21:23,712 --> 01:21:25,814
He knew how to
get into your soul.
1904
01:21:25,947 --> 01:21:28,683
He taught me how
to appreciate life.
1905
01:21:28,783 --> 01:21:30,118
We had dinner
with Denzel Washington.
1906
01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:32,888
I saw Lionel Richie
chasing after him.
1907
01:21:32,988 --> 01:21:35,090
Pacino, you know, De Niro,
1908
01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:36,291
Stallone.
1909
01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:37,993
Spielberg came over to
us with tears in his eyes
1910
01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,861
asking if he could
get some time with him.
1911
01:21:40,028 --> 01:21:42,564
That always made my heart full,
1912
01:21:42,697 --> 01:21:44,065
because the funny thing was,
1913
01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:46,167
Joe really didn't know
who any of these people were.
1914
01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,405
It's hard to explain
what Joe Frazier's done for me.
1915
01:21:50,505 --> 01:21:54,242
He's made me better father,
made me a better citizen,
1916
01:21:54,342 --> 01:21:55,777
made me a better person.
1917
01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,880
I owe a lot to him,
and I'll never forget it.
1918
01:21:59,047 --> 01:22:00,282
Thank you very
much, Joe Frazier.
1919
01:22:00,448 --> 01:22:01,816
Thank you!
1920
01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:03,551
What I do, and who I
know, and where I've been,
1921
01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:05,120
is all thanks to Joe Frazier.
1922
01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:08,623
For me, what
better life could you have?
1923
01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:11,192
For him to give me
the chance that he did,
1924
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,962
the people that I met
working with Joe Frazier,
1925
01:22:14,095 --> 01:22:15,897
the places that I got to see,
1926
01:22:15,997 --> 01:22:19,000
the person that I got
to know, who is Joe Frazier,
1927
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,569
to be sitting here
because of Joe Frazier...
1928
01:22:21,736 --> 01:22:22,938
unbelievable.
1929
01:22:23,104 --> 01:22:25,740
I love Joe Frazier
because of what he did.
1930
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,312
From a fighter to a fighter,
he will always have my respect.
1931
01:22:30,445 --> 01:22:34,716
Joe Frazier was a
cornerstone of boxing.
1932
01:22:34,883 --> 01:22:36,151
[Joe speaking]
1933
01:22:46,928 --> 01:22:47,963
[Cosell] I don't know anyone
1934
01:22:48,063 --> 01:22:49,397
who gets the sheer joy of combat
1935
01:22:49,497 --> 01:22:51,967
the way Joe Frazier does!
1936
01:22:53,068 --> 01:22:56,504
[song ending with a flourish]
1937
01:23:06,681 --> 01:23:09,517
[♪♪♪]
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