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This is a serial murder case.

All of the victims
were found inside various
containers

across the region,
giving the unknown assailant

the nickname
"The Package Killer."

While there is evidence
linking all three murders,

police have yet to
identify a suspect.

A serial murder cold case
appears to have been solved.

The St. Charles County Police
Crime Lab linked Gary Muehlberg

to at least one of the murders

by matching the DNA to samples
in the FBI's DNA database.

Gary Muehlberg is already
behind bars for killing

Kenneth "Doc" Atchison, who
tried to sell him a car in 1993.

The thing
inside of me, it's like...

the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...

feeling...
the hunger.

Gary Muehlberg is someone who is
a dangerous person, but who,

to all appearances,
appears to be a kind, old man,

and what people need to
remember is that sometimes

the psychopath can appear
to be benign, and kind,

and gentle, but they're not.

Think of it as a snake
with a disguise pattern that

makes it look like
a safe snake, right?

You can mistakenly believe
that they're normal,

that they're nice,
and they're not.

In 1993, the reason he's
incarcerated at this point

in time, is that he has murdered
a man who came to his house

ostensibly to buy a Cadillac,
a car that he was offering,

and the body was noted
to be handcuffed, stabbed,

and shot while
the victim was still alive,

and then he kept the body
in his basement.

With respect to his criminal
behavior, we see a pattern when

we look back that
there has been robberies with

sexual assault that
have moved on to

sexual assault, murder,
torturing people.

So, the violence has increased
in its intensity and lethality.

We know with individuals with
psychopathy that to them,

power is often
everything,

and they will try to exert
that power, whether it's

in an interview
or in a relationship.

And even here,
we see Muehlberg trying to

take control
of this interview.

In fact, he's tracking,
he's keeping count of

the potential
homicide counts.

So you get the sense
that this is an individual that

remembers what's happened
and is actually actively trying

to control how
his narrative is given.

When were you--

And now the tables
have turned in a way,

because he feels like
he has more control.

He already is serving
a life sentence without

the possibility
of parole,

and essentially there's not
much more that can happen

to him, and this interview is
now very clearly self-serving.

It's for him to be able to
tell his story and have fun

and essentially tease
the investigators
with information.

In spite of the fact he comes
into the room and looks frail

and sits down, he is as
cognitively sharp as you or me

or anyone else who doesn't have
any mental issues at all.

If you didn't know him,
you'd say he's kind of

an old man who's sitting there
who seems to be perplexed.

It sounds like he's confused,
he's trying to sort this out,

but he's not confused at all.

This is the game for control in
the interview with the police.

He's enjoying himself now.

There's nothing about the way
he's discussing this that makes

me think that he truly
feels these feelings now,

and he's reflecting on it.

Maybe he felt them then,
but it's hard to convince me

that he actually has
shame or embarrassment

about what happened.

Muehlberg seems to be trying
to manipulate the situation.

It's almost like he's trying
to manipulate the interviewers

to feel sorry for him
because he has these
memory deficits,

and he can't possibly
understand why he would

do this to someone.

It's all self-serving.

There really isn't any concern
for how a family might feel

or mourning the loss
of other lives.

It's a surface level expression
that doesn't reflect

an underlying mood and feeling
and perspective that, um,

what he has done in the past
is terrible, has taken lives

of other people,
and that their families have

mourned and lost them.

There's not this deep
sense of regret and sadness

about something horrible that
he's done, it's very much on

the surface where
he's interested in

taking care of him
right now.

Mr. Muehlberg does what
we've seen in other cases

of psychopathy, where people
will look at the police and go,

"I'm really sorry, I should
have told you something,"

or they come back
with more information.

It's a common way
of reinteracting

and re-engaging
the police.

Then, when he's with them,
he's saying, "I remember

a little bit, it's kind of
vague," but then he throws up

the tantalizing bit about--
extraordinary detail about

the metal can that
he's placed the victim in.

So, I'm sure he does remember
more than he's saying.

I think he's holding it back
so that he has a little more
to offer in case

a new opportunity
should come up.

Something else will
jog his memory.

He's getting the sexual
gratification from

these crimes,
and individuals who
sexually assault or rape

other people and who engage
in controlling behaviors

such as binding someone
typically gets some

sort of high off of
being in control.

And in these instances,
he is somebody who's engaged in

some sadistic behavior,
where again, he is in control

of people who are typically
from vulnerable populations,

such as in this case, many of
his victims were sex workers.

The way he's talking right now,
it seems like the memories that

he's giving are manufactured.

In the same breath,
he will say, "I have no idea

"where it happened.
Oh, it was at this place

they called The Stroll
at the time."

And he is giving very specific
details in times where he also

says he doesn't know
anything about it,

and that kind of hints that
he does know, but is kind of

stonewalling to maintain
control at this point.

There isn't any feeling
of sadness and remorse.

There's only a fear of what
the penalty might be for it.

Nothing about this matches
what we'd expect in someone
who transformed their life

sitting in prison
all those years.

So that's why I think
it's a show, it's a...

He's throwing out
his best little tidbit to try

and convince the police that
he is somebody who has sorrow.

He's sorry for what he did,
or he hurts.

This is painful to him,
that he's also a human being.

It's absolutely clear
his only concern is himself.

They're his dreams,
his aspirations,

what his life could
have been like,

but I think that matter-of-fact
statement he makes at the end,

"But I'm here, and I make
the best of it,"

is really descriptive of that
living-in-the-present idea.

And we do see a lot of that in
psychopathy, that people live

in the present moment,
working on getting

what they want,
but they very rarely dwell

on the past,
if at all.