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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,000 [theme music playing] 2 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,233 The thing inside of me, it's like... 3 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,700 the appetite, it's like a wolf that's... 4 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:32,634 feeling... the hunger. 5 00:02:03,667 --> 00:02:05,934 [Dr. Delatorre] I think any time there's the concept 6 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,333 of an unprovoked attack, 7 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,166 the idea of unpredictable violence 8 00:02:10,166 --> 00:02:13,767 is something that's very unsettling for -- for anybody. 9 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:17,734 The fact that this attack appeared to be out of the blue 10 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,533 and unprovoked is, by itself, very worrisome. 11 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,767 When you add the layer that he's already got charges, 12 00:02:24,767 --> 00:02:27,367 he's got a history of criminality, that's what brings 13 00:02:27,367 --> 00:02:30,333 the question of psychopathy into it. 14 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,233 Often individuals start out with lower-level crimes 15 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,467 and then graduate, as it were, to more severe things, 16 00:02:37,467 --> 00:02:40,000 including an escalation of violence. 17 00:02:59,967 --> 00:03:03,467 These individuals have been duct-taped and dragged 18 00:03:03,467 --> 00:03:05,433 and beaten with blunt objects. 19 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:10,433 There is a level of savagery here that's unexpected, 20 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:14,433 given the profile that these two individuals, 21 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:17,266 Wendy and Randall Bjorge, of being people who were 22 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:18,433 pillars of the community. 23 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:22,033 There's a distinct odor of bleach that was meant to mask 24 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,667 the smell of a corpse, right? 25 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:25,567 It looked like that there was a party there. 26 00:03:25,567 --> 00:03:30,533 It's disturbing on its face, because it shows again that 27 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,867 whoever did this crime flaunted it. 28 00:03:33,867 --> 00:03:36,767 They wanted to take what was the Bjorges' and use it for 29 00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:38,066 their own selves, and they wanted 30 00:03:38,066 --> 00:03:40,500 to dance on the graves of these two bodies. 31 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,867 [reporter] On Saturday, police found the bodies 32 00:03:52,867 --> 00:03:55,567 of the grandparents inside their Furlong Run home. 33 00:03:55,567 --> 00:03:58,367 A short time later, authorities were finally able 34 00:03:58,367 --> 00:04:00,834 to track down Bjorge and Rider. 35 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:02,767 Police say the two tried to kill themselves 36 00:04:02,767 --> 00:04:04,834 as a SWAT team surrounded them. 37 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,767 [Dr. Vienna] So what we know about Cassie Bjorge here 38 00:05:22,767 --> 00:05:25,734 is that she's no stranger to law enforcement. 39 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,100 She has a history of early behavior problems, 40 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:30,567 running away for days at a time, 41 00:05:30,567 --> 00:05:32,166 not getting along with her mother, 42 00:05:32,166 --> 00:05:36,000 having the police called to her house 31 times. 43 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 She's describing her woes in life, 44 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,734 her troubles, her challenges. 45 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,767 And I think that's because she's setting the stage 46 00:05:43,767 --> 00:05:48,133 for a possible excuse of why this all happened. 47 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,667 She's just not taking any responsibility and creating 48 00:05:51,667 --> 00:05:54,900 a new narrative, which could possibly be a defense for her. 49 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:59,734 What's interesting is that we see Cassie Bjorge's body language, 50 00:06:59,734 --> 00:07:03,266 and even the range of emotion, be very shallow. 51 00:07:03,266 --> 00:07:07,266 She's very conversational. She's very matter of fact. 52 00:07:07,266 --> 00:07:11,066 This is such a violent crime, violent offense. 53 00:07:11,066 --> 00:07:14,467 Two people murdered, her grandparents at that, 54 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:18,000 and she has really no emotion, no remorse about it. 55 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 She's just so willing to talk about her story with officers, 56 00:07:22,066 --> 00:07:25,200 probably because she wants to have it heard. 57 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:34,567 I think what happens here is you see on full display 58 00:08:34,567 --> 00:08:38,834 the disconnect that Cassie has with understanding 59 00:08:38,834 --> 00:08:41,834 how much of a problem her behavior has been 60 00:08:41,834 --> 00:08:44,834 in taking any responsibility for that. 61 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:48,266 Instead, how she perceives all of these mishaps 62 00:08:48,266 --> 00:08:51,834 is that she's been rejected by her grandparents. 63 00:08:51,834 --> 00:08:53,934 You know, she's the victim here, 64 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:56,433 probably because her ego can't, you know, 65 00:08:56,500 --> 00:09:00,300 handle the fact that she did wrong. 66 00:10:42,367 --> 00:10:46,467 There's an eerie feeling that you get when you listen 67 00:10:46,467 --> 00:10:51,800 to her describe this act, because it's cold, 68 00:10:51,867 --> 00:10:54,300 it's detached, it's calculated. 69 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,233 She is feeding off of the emotional state that 70 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:01,567 she is experiencing. 71 00:11:01,567 --> 00:11:02,967 She is enjoying it. 72 00:11:02,967 --> 00:11:07,000 She's literally having a good time doing this. 73 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,000 [Dr. Vienna] Part of the narcissistic traits 74 00:12:18,066 --> 00:12:21,066 that are very prominent here is Cassie 75 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:22,567 dehumanizing her grandmother. 76 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:24,166 You know, it's -- she makes the comment, 77 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:26,133 "It's so gross that she peed herself." 78 00:12:26,133 --> 00:12:28,367 And it's like, well, she was in fear. 79 00:12:28,367 --> 00:12:29,934 You were beating her to death, 80 00:12:29,934 --> 00:12:33,166 and we're not seeing any sort of remorse or empathy for that. 81 00:12:33,166 --> 00:12:35,533 We're just seeing Cassie being self-centered -- 82 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,734 "It's about me. I was grossed out." 83 00:13:49,667 --> 00:13:52,800 And she's offended that people are not understanding 84 00:13:52,867 --> 00:13:56,567 that it's perfectly plausible, in her mind, that to caulk 85 00:13:56,567 --> 00:13:58,533 the doors, and to invite people over, 86 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,934 and to take Snapchat videos, 87 00:13:59,934 --> 00:14:02,567 all of this stuff makes sense to her. 88 00:14:02,567 --> 00:14:06,000 There's an element of fantasy life being played here, 89 00:14:06,066 --> 00:14:09,467 but the fantasy life is not her and Rider being together 90 00:14:09,467 --> 00:14:10,400 and having a house. 91 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,634 The fantasy is her not having any authority 92 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,533 imposing its will onto what she wants to do. 93 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:17,767 [Dr. Delatorre] In their dreams, they wanna be Bonnie and Clyde. 94 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:23,867 But these two, all they really want is to have 95 00:15:23,867 --> 00:15:27,467 the freedom and authority that their parents and grandparents 96 00:15:27,467 --> 00:15:29,567 are just trying to take away from them. 97 00:15:29,567 --> 00:15:33,834 She's just wanting to be reductive 98 00:15:33,834 --> 00:15:36,367 in how she's approaching her criminality. 99 00:15:36,367 --> 00:15:38,767 And because it's coming as a partnership, 100 00:15:38,767 --> 00:15:41,166 the element is Bonnie and Clyde, 101 00:15:41,166 --> 00:15:44,133 because there really isn't anything other that she could use. 102 00:16:42,667 --> 00:16:44,533 [Dr. Saraiya] Compared to being in-depth, 103 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,934 these feelings are absolutely superficial. 104 00:16:46,934 --> 00:16:49,133 But even beyond being superficial, 105 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:51,133 they're -- they're not her own. 106 00:16:51,133 --> 00:16:53,133 You know, they're her imagination 107 00:16:53,133 --> 00:16:55,567 of what she's supposed to feel like. 108 00:16:55,567 --> 00:16:59,433 And certainly, she is very much focused on, 109 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,100 as psychopaths tend to be, 110 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:03,000 on herself and her own needs. 111 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000 There's no emotion behind it. 112 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,100 She's sort of choosing the words that she kind of 113 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:11,233 quickly in the moment is sort of figuring out, like, 114 00:17:11,233 --> 00:17:13,767 "How am I -- oh, they're asking me this for a reason. 115 00:17:13,767 --> 00:17:16,367 Oh, right, this is how I'm supposed to be feeling." 116 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,467 [Dr. Saraiya] For Cassie Bjorge and Johnny Rider, 117 00:17:50,467 --> 00:17:51,667 I think this is a case 118 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:53,734 where love does not conquer all. 119 00:17:53,734 --> 00:17:57,266 They don't care about what other people 120 00:17:57,266 --> 00:17:58,967 are trying to instill in them. 121 00:17:59,767 --> 00:18:03,834 They'll always buck control. 122 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:08,433 They'll always view authority as being something negative. 123 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:10,934 And then with these two in particular, I think we have 124 00:18:10,934 --> 00:18:13,233 an element of fire and ice, 125 00:18:13,233 --> 00:18:16,967 with Johnny Rider being this fuel, this fire, 126 00:18:16,967 --> 00:18:19,867 that really propels violence. 127 00:18:19,867 --> 00:18:23,734 And then we have this ice of Bjorge, 128 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,367 where not that she's calculated, 129 00:18:26,367 --> 00:18:29,266 but that there's an element of coldness. 130 00:18:29,266 --> 00:18:31,867 There's an element of distantness. 131 00:18:31,867 --> 00:18:35,467 There's an element of -- she's willing to do 132 00:18:35,467 --> 00:18:38,533 whatever she wants to whomever she wants. 133 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,834 And she will use her weapon, Johnny, 134 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:45,266 however it is that she sees fit. 135 00:19:10,467 --> 00:19:12,467 [Dr. Vienna] So the most jarring thing 136 00:19:12,467 --> 00:19:15,367 about this whole interview with Bjorge is that 137 00:19:15,367 --> 00:19:18,166 never did she show any ounce of remorse, 138 00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:21,567 very, very little emotion, if any. 139 00:19:21,567 --> 00:19:24,900 And at the very end, when she's called out by the detective 140 00:19:24,967 --> 00:19:27,734 that she hasn't shown any emotion, that's sort of like 141 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,367 her cue to put on the final performance. 142 00:19:30,367 --> 00:19:33,100 She even, like, conjures up some tears. 143 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:37,000 And I think it's her last bid to the detectives that, 144 00:19:37,066 --> 00:19:38,934 you know, she does feel remorse 145 00:19:38,934 --> 00:19:41,367 and she's gonna try to get out of this. 146 00:19:41,367 --> 00:19:45,166 I think it's starting to set in for her that she's gonna be 147 00:19:45,166 --> 00:19:47,700 held accountable and that makes her upset. 148 00:20:06,567 --> 00:20:10,567 The heartless and depraved nature 149 00:20:10,567 --> 00:20:14,700 of what the two of you did says to me... 150 00:20:16,166 --> 00:20:17,734 it's not... 151 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,400 it's not worth my fight. 12347

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