All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S08E04.1080p.WEB.h264-FREQUENCY_track3_[eng]

[theme music playing]

[man 1 speaking]

[man 2 speaking]

[man 3 speaking]

[man 4] The thing inside of me
is like... the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's...

feeling...

the hunger.

[doorbell rings]

[Saunders sobbing]

[Dr. Sahni] When Gavin's
talking to the police,

he never asks about
the wellbeing
or welfare of his family.

He's trying to present
himself as a nice kid,

somebody who
wants to help them
in whatever way is possible,

that he's going
to be cooperative.

And really, what those are
are his superficial

and somewhat elementary
attempts at manipulating them.

[Walker starts sobbing]

[Walker crying]

[Walker sobbing]

[Walker sniffs]

[Dr. Sahni] As Rebecca
becomes more emotional,

and starts to talk more
directly to her father,

what we learn is that she's
a teenager who's struggling.

She's lonely,
she's depressed,

and Rebecca is clinging
to this relationship,

because in her mind
and in her teenage perspective
on the world, Gavin's it.

[Dr. Bardey] What's amazing
is that something absolutely
horrible has happened,

people have been
brutally murdered,

and her takeaway is
that it's all about her.

You guys did not
make me feel special.

He made me feel special.

And there we begin to see
the Romeo and Juliet

story start
to come together.

[Walker sobbing]

[Walker moans]

We get introduced
to Smith and we find out
a few things about him.

Obviously, he has some
sort of speech impediment.

Which in and of itself doesn't
necessarily mean anything

in terms of his intellectual
or cognitive functioning,

but can have significant
repercussions
in terms of his social life,

in terms of how he was treated
by fellow classmates.

[Dr. Sahni] And when
he's asked about
the people in his family,

he talks about them
in the third person.

This is the baby,
this is the stepfather,

and this is the mother, as if
he's talking about a story.

Something outside
his own family.
There's no real attachment.

There's just no emotion
coming from this teenager.

[Dr. Bardey] The detective
is very clever.

He says, "Some of your
family members are dead."

He doesn't say all.
We never hear Smith
say, "Who?

Who's dead? Who's alive?"

He doesn't ask any of those
questions, which is very odd.

Not so odd if he
knows the answer.

[Dr. Bardey] He's not
answering the question at all.

He's frontloading his answer
with excuses to try
to justify what he's done.

So that right there
shows calculated thinking.

He's thinking to try
to reduce his culpability,

and that's
very psychopathic.

[Dr. Sahni] Despite the fact
that he knows his stepfather
and mother and brothers

have been dead
for this period of time,

he's saying that for the past
two days his stepfather
has tried to kill him.

He points to a place where
he was sliced on his arm,

and there's no
real wound there.

Gavin is not worried
about fact-checking.

He's not worried
about the credibility
of what he's saying.

Some of that we see
in teenagers in general,

they kind of engage
in this magical thinking.

But some of this is also
consistent with what we see
in psychopathic individuals

who compulsively
or pathologically lie.

[Dr. Bardey] What the teacher
describes here,

is really cements the fact
that Smith was marginalized.

He didn't like going to school
because I'm sure
school was a difficult place.

His speech impediment
set him up to be the target
of horrific bullying.

So that again
is fueling this anger.

Now, this profile that's
coming out of this picture,

begins to look
like the profile
of a school shooter.

Of someone who,
at some point,
is going to snap,

and want retribution
against everyone,

for all the harm
he feels he's suffered.

[Dr. Rosenberg] The big thing
that stands out to me

is that she describes Walker
as a boy-obsessed individual.

And it seems like
Walker's self-esteem,

self-identity and self-worth,

were very tied to
a man's perception of her

or whether or not
she had a romantic partner.

When Smith talks
about how he killed
his entire family,

he does it as though
he was describing
what he had for breakfast.

It's completely devoid of any
of the associated emotions
that you would expect.

[Dr. Sahni] And when we think
about psychopathic individuals

oftentimes there's
a lack of remorse.
There's a lack of guilt.

There's a willingness
to just blame others.

To stay superficial in their
emotions and their attachment.

That Gavin Smith
just kind of rolls over,

and he flip-flops
on his story,

and pretty immediately
says, "I got mixed up.

I was the one
that did all of this."

There was nothing
that Gavin Smith
got mixed up about.

He was quite
clear and focused.

And so much so that he shot
three of the family members

in the head, point-blank,

and then went to his
baby brother's room,

slit his throat
and then shot him
in the head.

[Dr. Bardey] This clip
is incredibly disturbing
in terms of

showing us a glimpse
of Rebecca Walker's mindset.

She saw his hand on the gun
as this was happening,

and yet did nothing
to intervene.

So, why...
why would that be?

Is she so frightened?
It didn't seem that way.

Could she have gone
to the police? Of course.

Could she have told
her grandmother? Absolutely.

But she tells you why
at the end of the clip.

Because she wanted
him to be with her.

And what greater power
there is,

than to know that
someone killed for you.

So clearly now
Romeo and Juliet
have become Bonnie and Clyde.

She not only knew about it,
but she encouraged him

to kill every
member of his family.

So we get a very,
very disturbing picture
of a young woman

who feels that it's so
important for her to be loved

that she's willing to be
complicit in multiple murders
in order to prove that.

Maybe she even,
kind of, weaponized it.

Maybe she was able
to push him over the edge

to do what she needed
for her own self-esteem.

He had nothing left.

And yet she had all of him.
And that's all she wanted.

And that kind
of thought process,

can only be described
as psychopathic.

[Dr. Sahni] What's really
important to realize here,

is in Walker's
own interrogation,

she's not showing
any emotions.

She's not showing any concern
for all these people

that have lost
their lives senselessly.

[Dr. Bardey] If the two
really wanted to be together,

they could have
run off together.

No one had to die for the two
of them to be together.

So the motivation was not
that his family needed to die
for them to be together.

The motivation was,
his family had to die
for her to be happy.

And that's really chilling.

And that really paints
a picture of Rebecca Walker,

as the bigger
psychopath of the two.

[TV announcer] The jury
showing graphic
and disturbing photos

from inside
the family's home.

Smith occasionally
glanced up at the photos,

but showed no emotions
as they were on display.

You murdered
your entire family
in cold blood, Mr. Smith.

I find that you have
zero remorse for your actions.

Your actions can only
be described
as an act of pure evil.