All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S07E02.1080p.WEB.h264-FREQUENCY_track3_[eng]

[eerie music playing]

[conversation over call]

[opening music playing]

[man 1 speaking]

[man 2 speaking]

[man 3 speaking]

[man 4]
The thing inside of me,
it's like...

The appetite,
it's like a wolf that's

beyond the hunger.

[opening music concludes]

[call recording playing]

[Balcer chuckles]

[Dr. Sahni] Given that
it was Halloween,

I think it's always
in the mind of dispatch

that there may be
a prank or a hoax

when a phone call comes in
that is shocking,

and extraordinary,
and outside of what
they might normally expect,

particularly in
a small community
in a small town in Maine.

And pretty quickly, I think,

the detective realizes that
this is likely not a hoax.

It starts to give us
a very early indication that

Andrew Balcer has
a lot more going on to him,

psychologically, than what may
meet the eye, initially.

[Balcer chuckles]

[Dr. Tussey]
Balcer sounds jovial.
He's laughing.

You can almost
see him smirking

even though you can
only hear him.

The detective is trying to
keep Balcer on the phone

to give him some time
to figure that out.

Determine if there are
any other potential
victims nearby,

and to decide how best
to move forward.

[male reporter 1]
It is an all-too-real
Halloween horror story.

A Winthrop teen is now charged
with murdering a couple.

[female reporter] State police
say they found the bodies

of 47-year-old Alice Balcer
and her husband Antonio Balcer

inside their home on
Pine Knoll Road in Winthrop.

They're a very generous,
kind people.

Antonio was a retired
Coast Guardsmen.

Alice worked at
the Winthrop Veterinary
Hospital just down the road.

[female reporter]
The couple's 17-year-old son

has been charged
with their murders.

[woman] He was a great kid.
Smart, brilliant,

good in school, um,

focused, uh, he was
planning going to college.

Uh, so it doesn't make sense.

It's a shocker that
this could happen.

[audio recording playing]

[Balcer chuckles]

[Dr. Fox] He self-admits that
he's not really connected
to other people.

He really lacks that ability
to form inter-personal
relationships.

It could be
because he doesn't have
the empathy to do so.

He just doesn't have
even the motivation

to have that kind of, uh,
inter-personal interaction

that most of us
all crave and want.

He doesn't desire it.

[knocking on door]

[door opens, closes]

[audio recording resumes]

[audio recording playing]

At this point,
he's completely dissociated
from what's going on.

He has this clarity
when it comes to

what he did after he
took a shower, specifics.

But as soon as
it comes to the murder,

it's all blurry
and he doesn't remember.

"And I assume that
I commit the murder

'cause I had
a knife in my hand."

These are things that
somebody is doing

to try to distance themselves.

It seems like he's trying to
come up with a reason why
he's not responsible

or trying to
defer responsibility,

but he doesn't
quite know it yet.

[audio recording playing]

[Det 2] Yeah.

[high-pitched ringing]

[audio recording resumes]

So, it's unclear if he's
starting to lay the grounds

for being incompetent,

and that maybe he's hearing
auditory hallucinations.

Or if he's talking about
this tone as

it's a symptom of tinnitus
or some medical condition

and it has a parallel
to him feeling agitated.

We just don't know.

But what is also
very interesting to hear

and shows that he has some
self-awareness and insight

is that he's saying
to the detectives that
he should feel bad.

He understands that
what he just did

was significant
by society's standards,

but he's admitting
he doesn't feel anything.

[audio recording playing]

[Dr. Tussey] So,
just a few moments ago,

we heard him describe
being unclear of the details
of the night.

Saying that it was, "blurry."

But as they're unfolding now,

they actually seem
crystal clear.

Balcer sounds excited
about recounting the story.

Almost proud of
an accomplishment,

like he's talking about a fish
he caught in a tournament,

but he's describing
killing his mother.

[audio recording playing]

[Dr. Sahni]
While there are aspects
of Balcer's decision-making

that seem premeditated,
planned,

there's an impulsivity,
overall, to what he's done.

He's acknowledging that
there really wasn't anything
specific that set him off

on that specific evening
at the specific time.

When Balcer talks
about his parents as,
"these effing people,"

what that may give
us is a glimmer into
how Balcer sees himself

relative to most human beings.

That may be
because of his intelligence
and his academic performance

and accomplishments
he's smarter than most people.

He may feel he's smarter
than both of his parents

and disregards them
accordingly.

And this starts to show us
some of that narcissism

that we see sometimes
in psychopathic individuals,

where they think that
they are above everybody else.

[audio recording playing]

[audio recording playing]

So, Balcer is starting to,
you know,

show his true side again here

in how he's failing
to accept responsibility.

See, he's really
blaming the victim here,

and saying that his mother
was condescending.

But at the same time,
it makes me wonder

if there was some
narcissistic injury
that he suffered.

Like, he has such
a high perception of himself

and he's so superior,

that when she
interacted with him,

perhaps it came off
as condescending.

And he didn't like that
because it insulted his ego.

[audio recording playing]

[Balcer laughs]

[Dr. Sahni] He acknowledges
he doesn't read people
very well.

But the disconnect there
is that he can't consider

or contemplate that
it's possible

his feelings of contempt
and annoyance at what he saw

of his mother
being hypocritical,

or hypercritical towards him,

were possibly
just his perceptions

and not actually
based in fact.

He can't draw that link
even though he acknowledges,

"I don't read people
very well."

And as a result,
he makes a decision
based on his rage.

[audio recording playing]

[audio recording playing]

[indistinct]

Yeah, it's...

[chuckles] Uh...

[indistinct
background chatter]

[Dr. Sahni] What you
never hear from Andrea Balcer
is any acknowledgement

about truly the seriousness
of this when she's making
light of it

by drawing parallel
to cookies and milk.

It's misplaced, it's not
an off the cuff statement.

It really is
some indication that

Balcer might use the words
of remorse,

but really has no clue
what that's about.

[Dr. Tussey] She says,
"Well, I'm not happy
this happened,"

as if she has suffered
in this scenario.

When in fact, again,
she's the one that
inflicted the harm.

[Dr. Sahni] While it's
not uncommon for adults

who have been
abused as children

to avoid disclosing
that abuse,

the timing
of Balcer's disclosure

doesn't really support that
that is what happened.

That there was
a delay in reporting.

It's important to remember,
at the outset of this
investigation,

detectives asked Balcer
if there were ever

any experiences
of trauma or abuse.

And Andrea's words were,
"Not that I can think of."

It suggests that,
more consistent with how
psychopathic individuals

lie and fabricate information
to try and gain an advantage,

Balcer's now decided
this is the newest version

of what happened
during the crime

in the hopes that the court
will give a more lenient
sentence.

[male reporter 2] One by one,
family and friends spoke up
in court.

They say Ali and Tony Balcer
were kind, caring, and loving.

[reading]