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In the criminal justice system,
the people are represented
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by two separate yet equally important
groups.
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The police, who investigate crime,
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and the Crown Prosecutors,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Are you the bloke in charge?
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My wife hates flying. She's already
worried about the return.
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Plus, we've got three kids.
Their body clocks are all crook.
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And now, when we're trying to sleep,
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we've got this drip, drip, drip
coming through the ceiling.
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You know, this place isn't at all
like they said it would be.
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All those glowing testimonials
online.
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I tell you what, though, mate...
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..I think they're all phoney.
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How about that, eh?
Oh,Christ.
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Well?
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The girl's name is Katerina Cizek.
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We've ID'd her from her bank card.
Nice line in underwear.
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Whoever has done this has just walked
straight in.
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There is no sign of forced entry and
no murder weapon either.
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Anyway, what's his story?
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Holiday rental below. He says water
started seeping through the ceiling
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at around 9:30.Right,sowhatdo
youthink?She'srunningabath,
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doorbell goes, she never gets the
chance to turn it off?Couldbe.
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Ronnie, we found this.
Right.Wemaybeable
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togetsomethingontheSIMcard.
There's more.
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Sex toys in the bedside cabinet?
Very good.
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This was hidden under the mattress.
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Right, working girl?
Explains the push-up bra.
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Just say "hello" in the lobby
a few times,
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talk about the weather.
But otherwise...
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All right, well, what about the men
who used to visit her?
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What about them?
Well,anyincidents,rows,
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complaints from the neighbours,
that sort of thing?No.
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Well, did Katerina mention anything?
Ibarelyknewher.
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But you knew she was a tom?
Yeah,itdidn'tbotherme,though.
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That's not what I asked, though,
is it, Mr Hunter?
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I suspected. I mean, I've got eyes.
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They'd wait in the lobby,
then when the men arrived,
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they'd go upstairs for an hour,
back down, wait for the next.
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Must have felt like a posh knocking
shop.Onlyifyouletit.
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Did Katerina have any other friends
in the building?
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Yeah, Suzana...something.
She's another one, you know...
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Escort?
Eastern European.
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No, we're with different agencies.
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But, you know...same bullshit.
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Did you know what agency Katka
was with?
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No. She moved, a month or so,
but I don't know where.
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Did she ever talk about her clients?
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She was waiting for a rich man
to carry her away,
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like in Pretty Woman.
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I told her,
"Men who pay £150 an hour
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are not looking to grow old
with you."
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But Katka...
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She always know better.
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How about savings? Did she have
any of those, do you know?
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Or running away money?
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Men pay the agencies direct.
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How much do you think we see?
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Well, we found £4,000 hidden
in her flat.
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Maybe Katka know better after all.
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I'm sorry. I have to get ready.
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Do you know if any of her clients
knocked her about? Or threatened her?
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No.
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The agencies are quite good
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at making sure the man is, erm...
pristojan.
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Erm...nice.
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But...you never know, do you?
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Thanks for your time.
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Well, maybe she found her Richard
Gere and stretch limo after all?
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Oh, yeah, cos it really works like
that, doesn't it?
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That four grand has got to some
from somewhere, mate.
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Plus, she had a bank account,
so why stuff it under her mattress?
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I don't know. Maybe Katka
didn't want anyone to know about it.
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Blackmail?Yeah.
Hookers blackmailing their johns.
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"Pay up or I'll tell the wife."
It's not unheard of.
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Bit "spaghetti against the wall",
isn't it?
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Well, she hid the money
for a reason, Gov.
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Maybe she was moonlighting.
Bit of extra work on the side.
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Well, either way,
might give us a motive.
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Traces of spermicide and lubricant.
She'd had sex, but with a condom.
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No sign of rape. Bit of bruising,
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but I'd say because the sex was
energetic, not violent.
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I remember that.Havingsex?
No, being energetic.
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Evidence of her having had STIs
in the past.
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Chlamydia, herpes,
bacterial vaginosis, usual suspects.
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Occupational hazard. Right.
What about HIV?
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No. Oh, there was one other thing.
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The knife hit a rib on the way in.
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Normally you'd expect it either
to stop or to break the rib.
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But this one kind of bent down
and under.
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This blade was really flexible.
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A specialist knife?Yeah, for
filleting or skinning, you know?
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Whatelse?Partially digested food
in Katka's stomach
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confirms the time of death
at or around 9pm.
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Yeah, forensics are working out the
DNA and profiles of the crime scene,
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but that flat saw a lot of traffic.
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What about the SIM card?
Nothingyet.
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And what has the porter got to say?
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Michael Hunter?
Strictly "See no evil".
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So, no witnesses, no evidence,
no forensics.
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Well,there'sthebendyknife.
Which you haven't found.
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Come on. What about regular clients?
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Well, we have to know which agency
she was working for first.
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Look, she rented that flat
off someone.
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I've gone through Katka's laptop.
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Oh. Any blackmail material?
Secret movies? Photos of the killer?
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No.
No, I didn't think so.
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But she wrote a blog.
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I don't understand this. Whatever
happened to keeping things private?
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I mean, now it's just all out there
for everyone to see and read.
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There's stuff on here I wouldn't
even tell myself.
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Ronnie?Yeah?
No-one's listening.Yeah.
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Did you find anything?
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Lotrlovec.
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Sorry?
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Well, Katka, in between some
of her more lurid passages,
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mentions this bloke Lotrlovec
quite a lot.
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In fact, I'm tempted to say
there's a whole Lotrlovec going on.
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Pleaseresistit.It looks like old
Lotrlovec wouldn't leave her alone.
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I had another run-in with
Lotrlovec today.
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He came to see me again.
He's getting worse.
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I've tried being nice. What is it
going to take to make him stop?
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That was the last but one passage.
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OK, the whole block of flats is owned
by an investment company,
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which runs it through a holding
company,
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which rents Katka's flat to another
outfit,whichinturn-Nodding off.
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-Kensington Belles, who offer
"sophisticated female companionship".
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At £150 an hour.
Right, get your coat. Come on.
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Did Katka mention any clients
she was having problems with?
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Not that I can recall.
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So she never mentioned anyone
called Lotrlovec?Never.Right.
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Well, we'll need a list of her
clients from Tuesday night, please.
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She wasn't working that night.
I've no idea who she saw.
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Right, then we'll settle
for the credit card details
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of everyone she's seen
for the last three months.
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I don't have to do that.
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Do you really want to play it
like this?
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I know what you think I am.
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But whatever my girls do, it's
their choice. There's no coercion.
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We merely facilitate introductions.
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Men look for "company"
and we provide it.
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Of course, if two consenting adults
wish to take it further...
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that's their choice.
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You've got it all worked out,
haven't you?
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You need a warrant for my records
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and I'm guessing you can't get one
or you'd have it already.
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However, we could always crawl
all over your business.
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I mean, real forensic detail,
take months and months,
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find out exactly how much of that
£150 goes back to those girls.
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And what with, I don't know,
rents and commission,
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they probably get about...what, 20%?
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I reckon that generous, Ronnie.
I'd say more like 10%.
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Hmm, 10%. Either way, I bet we could
make it look a lot like coercion.
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Popular girl.There's a lot of fellas
out there looking for company.
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Except, I sort of understand
the curb crawlers.
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Strictly business
and everyone knows it.
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But this whole
dinner and a promise thing...
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I mean, looks like a date,
feels like a date, but it's just a-
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Simulacrum.
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Eh? Is that another one of your
made-y up-y words?
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No, it means
an unsatisfactory substitute.
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Well, either way,
you've got to be pretty sad.
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Not sad, Matty. Just lonely.
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I loved her.
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She was a present. For my 18th.
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My mates all chipped in.
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So I could lose my... You know?
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That's kind of them.
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I suppose. It wasn't...a success.
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That was a couple of months ago.
I mean, have you seen her again?
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Twice.
What about the night before last?
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I was working in the pub all night.
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Saving up, see? Three more nights
and I'll have enough.
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Escort agency? No, of course not.
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And yet there's a charge
to your credit card
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for £150 on September 14th.
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Well, that's impossible,
I've never... September?
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The 14th.
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No, wait. My... My card was
cloned a few months back.
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Apparently, I bought a couple
of laptops and a mobile phone.
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I didn't realise I'd bought
a prostitute as well!
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I'm sorry I can't be
of any more help.
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I should get back to the book.
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It's the second part of my
History of the Crusades.
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The first one was very well
received. Maybe you read it?
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Sorry, no, I didn't.
Idid.
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Well, what do you think I am,
some sort of Neanderthal?
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A neverending source of wonderment,
Matt.
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We'd like to take a DNA sample.
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Really? Do you think...
Even though I've just-
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If you don't mind, Mr Williams?
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No... No, whatever you want.
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We've got the numbers off the SIM.
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Good news. Katka called the same
number four times the day she died.
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But do you want to know
the bad news?
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Don't tell me. It's an unregistered
pay-as-you-go number.
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There's no flies on you.
No.
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So, unless we find the phone,
it's absolutely useless.
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Ronnie? Someone to see you.
Interview two.
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But I've...
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Matt?
I'll catch you up.Yeah.
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Yeah?
I'vefoundLotrlovec.
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You said to call if there was
something.
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I need you to protect me.
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There's no record of anyone called
Lotrlovec on any database,
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so I started to think maybe it was
some sort of code.
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Like some sort of simple
displacement.
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Like how HAL in 2001
are the letters before IBM.
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You with me?
No,butcarryon.
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Well, it wasn't that,
so then I thought
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maybe it was something simpler.
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So she's Czech, right?
Maybe it means something.
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He said if I don't have sex with
him, he'll tell immigration.
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I said, "No." And he hit me.
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Said next time would be worse.
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I can't...
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If immigration find out...
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I need this money.
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And who said this?
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Lotr...lovec.
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Now, in Czech fairytales, the prefix
'Lotr' is used to denote villain.
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'Bad' something. See?
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And Lovec?
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He tried the same with Katka.
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She told me. She...
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She said she thought it was a joke.
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That he...was a joke.
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But he wasn't, was he?
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And who did this, Suzana?
Who threatened you?
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'Lotrlovec' means 'bad hunter',
as in-
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Michael Hunter.
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The porter.
Yeah.
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I'd say "see no evil" was a little
wide of the mark, wouldn't you?
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So I have a master key. So what?
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Well, maybe Katka didn't
let her killer in.
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Yeah. Yeah, maybe he just walked in
all by himself.
238
00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,680
This is stupid.
239
00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,880
Beat up all the girls, then, do you?
Or just the ones who won't give in?
240
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,920
I don't know what you're talking
about.
241
00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160
You were on duty the night Katka
died.Yeah, you know I was.
242
00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,320
Yeah. However, we have several
witnesses
243
00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,040
that say you weren't at your desk
at the time of the murder.
244
00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,960
That was careless of me.
245
00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,640
I was out the back, having a fag.
246
00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,600
Your DNA's all over Katka's flat.
247
00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,960
Of course it is. I found her.
That's all I did.
248
00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,920
Well, you told us that you hardly
knew her.
249
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,760
Why would you lie about that?
250
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,640
Do you reckon these working girls are
vulnerable? Yeah?
251
00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,520
Easy prey?
252
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,040
So you go and tell them you'll grass
them up
253
00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,040
unless they...play nicely.
Is that how it works?
254
00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,360
I didn't kill her. I'm not...
255
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880
I'd see the way she smiled at the
men when they came to see her.
256
00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,360
I just wanted her to look at me
in the same way.
257
00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,080
You know, I wear this stupid monkey
suit and I'm invisible.
258
00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,120
I just wanted to be noticed,
that's all.
259
00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,240
But instead, she laughed at you,
didn't she?
260
00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,080
I mean, she thought you were a joke.
261
00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,120
You didn't plan it,
it got out of hand.
262
00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280
That's what happened, isn't it?
263
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,200
He denies it and without a murder
weapon,
264
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,040
we've got nothing to link him.
265
00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,680
Hecoppedtothreateningher.
And that's all.
266
00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,160
Youlikehimforthis?
Well, it doesn't smell right.
267
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040
He's a lying weasel with a nice line
in self pity, but a killer?
268
00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,840
We've got a match
on one of the DNA swabs.
269
00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,640
OK...
270
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,800
I saw her.
271
00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,760
In September
and again, the other night.
272
00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,200
I was on my way to have dinner
with my agent.
273
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,080
They're talking about pushing back
my publication date
274
00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,320
and all I needed was a...
275
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,400
Was a friendly face. That's all.
276
00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,240
I should have told you, I know.
277
00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,240
But I thought if I denied it...
278
00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,200
it would just...you know?
279
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,000
Go away?
Yes.
280
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,240
Your DNA was found
under her fingernails.
281
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,080
So, did she scratch you?
Trying to defend herself, maybe?
282
00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,120
We had...sex. OK?
283
00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,800
Katka scratched my back when
she...you know?
284
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120
I didn't kill her.
285
00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,600
I swear on my son's life.
286
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,560
You have to believe me.
I'd... I'd never...
287
00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,600
Maybe you saw something.
288
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,560
No, I just said goodbye and left.
I didn't see anyone.
289
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,600
Gavin?
290
00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,840
I'm home.
291
00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,400
Be out in a minute.
292
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600
Look, I love my wife.
293
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,680
There's no reason she has to know
about this, is there?
294
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,280
So after you left,
you, er...met your agent?
295
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,560
We met for dinner at around 9:30.
296
00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,520
And how did Mr Williams seem?
Thankyou.Thank you.
297
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,480
Er...antsy. Distracted.
298
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,000
He had a drink, which helped,
and we talked through some new ideas.
299
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,480
Books, TV-
What, he does TV as well?
300
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,960
We're waiting for the go-ahead
for his first series -
301
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,280
A six-part history of the Crusades,
302
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,920
but seen through the prism of today's
Islamophobia.Quiteaprism.Hmm.
303
00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,840
Lucrative, though, I'd have thought?
304
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,240
He's not really interested in money.
305
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,920
I mean, he gets invited onto TV shows
all the time.
306
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,920
Discussions, talking heads.
307
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,760
He doesn't do that many.
308
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,240
Turns them down if it requires
an overnight stay.
309
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,960
And why's that?
BecauseofSam.
310
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,640
His little boy?
311
00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,880
He has cerebral palsy. Gavin won't
leave Jane to cope on her own.
312
00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,800
He's missed out on quite a few gigs
but...he's adamant.
313
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,840
A model husband.
314
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,880
He loves his family.
315
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,080
Michael Hunter's alibi stands up. He
ponced a fag off a couple of waiters
316
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,640
at the back of an Italian restaurant
next door.
317
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,520
And how do they know it was 9:00?
Because someone set up a telly
318
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,960
in the kitchen so they could watch
AC Milan live.
319
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,200
And they were still watching when
the final whistle blew around 9:30.
320
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,040
Well, he's not that man, then.
321
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,840
Youthinkitwastheprofessor.
He has more to lose than most.
322
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,680
Only if he was being blackmailed,
which you can't prove.
323
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,520
You don't actually know anyone was.
324
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,360
So she just printed that four grand
herself, has she,
325
00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,360
on her John Bull printing press?
326
00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,200
Teddy's found something.
327
00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,000
A bit of the blade broke off.
328
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,960
I noticed it under the microscope,
so I called Lilly and...
329
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,800
bingo.
330
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,480
Bingo?You see, when it glanced off
the rib, a tiny sliver
331
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,600
got left behind. You know, barely a
millimetre. In the wound.
332
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,600
So, we find the blade,
we can match it, yeah?
333
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,440
Yeah, like ballistics and GSR
rolled into one.Good.
334
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,280
Only, you know, with a knife.
335
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,200
The bank records you asked for.
336
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,920
Gavin Williams made eight cashpoint
withdrawals in the last 14 days.
337
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,760
Thanks, Ange. At £500 a pop.
338
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,520
No way?Hmm.
£4,000. Exactly what Katka had.
339
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,240
Yeah. Let's see what your professor
has to say about that, eh?
340
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,200
Blackmail?
Well, do you know anything
341
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,120
about the £4,000 that we found?
342
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,520
Why would I pay her
and then kill her?
343
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,400
And if I did kill her, why would
I leave £4,000 lying around?
344
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,840
You see, I think she got paid
earlier. And then she hid the money.
345
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,280
Doyouhaveasecondphone?
Of course not.
346
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,040
Only Katka called a particular
pay-as-you-go number
347
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,920
four times the day she died.
348
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,960
So?
349
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,120
So we think she got paid off, got a
bit greedy, came back for some more.
350
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,280
Which is whoever she was blackmailing
decided enough was enough.
351
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,480
And you think that was me?
352
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,600
Well...you withdrew £4,000 in the
last fortnight.
353
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,640
No,Ididn't.Mr Williams,
we have your bank records.
354
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,200
I didn't take that money out.
It'll be my wife.
355
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,240
We have a shared account.
Household, you know, cash?
356
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,320
Jane has a business she runs with
a friend. Interior design.
357
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,800
She buys antiques and bric-a-brac
for cash.
358
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480
So it must have been Jane who took
that money out.
359
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,560
Not me.
360
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,200
He called me and told me
what you think he did.
361
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,240
It's ridiculous.
362
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,600
People like my husband don't go to
prostitutes. He's not the type.
363
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,520
What is the type?
364
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,320
Please don't be clever with me.
365
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,440
What about the money you took out?
366
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,920
Whatmoney?
£4,000. Your husband told us-
367
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,920
Yes, of course, my business.
368
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,000
You see, I buy a lot of things
with cash.
369
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000
We both use the household account.
370
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,640
Butit'sinyourhusband'sname.
I use it a lot.
371
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,760
I prefer to keep that account
separate from my business one.
372
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,640
So the tax man doesn't find out?
373
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,120
The £4,000, Mrs Williams?
374
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,440
I bought some antiques
from a place near Kingston.
375
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,600
Can you prove that?
I'mnotawareIhaveto.
376
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,440
Mrs Williams-
Areyouarrestingme,Officer?
377
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,480
No.
378
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,000
Then if you'll excuse me,
my son needs to eat.
379
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,760
Thank you for your time. Matty?
380
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,600
That's an impressive collection
of knives.
381
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,520
It should be. Cost a fortune.
382
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,560
Of course, you're missing one.
383
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,520
We had the kitchen done the other
month. It probably got lost then.
384
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,320
The knife that went missing
from Gavin Williams' house
385
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,640
was a 27cm filleting blade,
which matches the depth and the width
386
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,720
of the penetration wound.
Anditflexes.
387
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,560
Which gives us a murder weapon.
388
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,720
Yeah. Gavin Williams initially lied
about knowing the girl.
389
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,760
We've got DNA that puts him at the
scene.
390
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,560
He's got no alibi
for the time of death.
391
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,640
Also, withdrawals from his bank
account
392
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,360
match the amount of money found
under the girl's mattress.
393
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,720
And you think it's blackmail?
Well,there'syourmotive.
394
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,720
Means, motive and opportunity.
395
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,480
And all of it circumstantial.
What else have you got?
396
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,880
Preponderance of probability.
397
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,880
That's what they've got.
398
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,040
Or in other words,
what are the chances?
399
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,280
It's not beyond reasonable doubt but
you can see it from here.
400
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,240
Pick him up.
401
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,840
Enjoy.
Thanks!
402
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,360
Sorry.
403
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,080
I don't believe it.
I know.
404
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,280
Should have brought my book
for you to sign.
405
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,120
Gavin Williams, I am arresting you
406
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,440
on suspicion of the murder of
Katerina Cizek.
407
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,560
You do not have to say anything
but it may harm your defence...
408
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,440
Preponderance of crap, more like.
You've got nothing.
409
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,320
We have the pay-as-you-go mobile
phone
410
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,160
your client his and denied having.
411
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,240
So? All he's guilty of is seeing
a prostitute
412
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,280
and lying about it to his wife.
You want to make that illegal?
413
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,240
There aren't enough prisons
in the world.
414
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,640
Meanwhile, my contracts
have been cancelled,
415
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040
no publisher will touch me,
I'm the laughing stock,
416
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,880
I'm ruined and I didn't do anything.
417
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080
Don't you think my client has
suffered enough?
418
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,920
As much as Katerina Cizek?
419
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320
The DNA only shows he was there,
which we don't deny.
420
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,080
You have no murder weapon and your
only proof of motive
421
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,120
is the cash withdrawals that match
the amount found at the scene.
422
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,160
Now, you say blackmail,
I say coincidence.
423
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,080
And Jane Williams will give evidence
that she withdrew that money.
424
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,800
You can't prove she didn't.
You can't prove anything.
425
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,800
You really want to do this?
426
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,040
She has a point. The only thing
we can prove is infidelity.
427
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,760
And it's not like that's a crime.
Maybe it should be.Hello?
428
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,640
Or don't vows mean anything anymore?
429
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,520
Since when did you become
a maiden aunt?
430
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,320
You're saying it doesn't count
if you have to pay for it?
431
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800
It was just sex, Henry.
Stupid, yes. Pathetic, even.
432
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,200
But I don't think it makes it a
criminal matter.
433
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,280
It's not about the sex,
it's the dishonesty.
434
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240
He made a fool of his wife,
a mockery of their life together.
435
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,960
That's the reality of the situation.
It's never just sex.
436
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,880
Gavin Williams didn't kill Katka
because he was married.
437
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,120
He was worried about losing his
professional standing, not his wife.
438
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,160
His marriage was incidental.
Tell that to Jane Williams!
439
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,400
All right. Our key plank -
Gavin Williams killed Katerina
440
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680
because she was blackmailing him?
Yeah.
441
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,320
So...how do we know?
442
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,720
£4,000 is a lot of cash.
443
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600
I said I don't know about the money.
444
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,640
Look, I understand you want
to defend Katka's name.
445
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,680
It's all she has left.
446
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,640
Except it doesn't help.
Not if it stops us
447
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,520
from punishing the man who did this.
448
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,000
There was one guy.
449
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,080
He used to see her. A lot.
450
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,680
She said he was "sweet on her".
451
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,720
He had a crush?
452
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Yes. Crush.
453
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,200
He kept telling her how clever
she was, how good her brain was.
454
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,240
That she should use it,
improve herself.
455
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,400
He said he would help.
456
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,440
And did he?
457
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,920
He kept buying her stuff.
Gifts. With little notes.
458
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,960
Like jewellery?
459
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,480
Jewellery, she could have used.
460
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520
Or sold.
461
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320
No. He gave her books.
462
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,360
What good is that?
463
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,920
She gave them to charity shop
around the corner.
464
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,240
Said at least they'd do someone
some good.
465
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,280
Did she tell him to stop?
466
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,080
No. She was embarrassed.
467
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,320
He was nice, but she saw him because
he paid her, not because...
468
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560
I told her to be careful.
469
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,320
I told her she should end it
before it got too...
470
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,960
But Katka just laughed.
Said she knew what she was doing.
471
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,680
Reckoned she could get more
out of him than just books.
472
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,520
Pretty soon,
this lot will be redundant.
473
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,800
We'll all be reading books
on our phones.
474
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,240
Entire libraries in the palms
of our hands.
475
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,280
Never happen.
476
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,400
You'll see.
477
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,400
Well, books are knowledge, Matty.
Ideas, you know?
478
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,640
Hold a book in your hand,
you know you've got something there.
479
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,840
It's got...heft.
480
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Hmm... You can't do that if it has
been all...digitalimilised.
481
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Feel free to help, yeah?
482
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,240
And...
483
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,800
..you can't do that...with a gizmo.
484
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,160
Katka, for everything.
Always, G.
485
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,080
A History Of The Crusades, Part One
486
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,920
by Gavin Williams.
487
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,160
Vanity, thy name is Gavin.
488
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,920
So you think Gavin Williams
was in love with Katka?
489
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,520
And we know she was planning
to turn that into hard cash.
490
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Well, if she was blackmailing him,
we've got our motive.Almost.
491
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,840
We need to break the wife's story.
492
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,920
Where did you say she spent
the money?
493
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,960
Yeah, I know her.
She comes in here a lot.
494
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Only interested in high-end stuff.
495
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,240
I mean, you can tell, of course.
Lovely teeth.
496
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,160
Sorry?Never trust someone
who skimps on dental hygiene.
497
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,200
They always turn out to be cheap.
498
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Was she here a fortnight ago?
499
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Perhaps. I can't remember.
We get a lot of people.
500
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,200
Oh, I remember I sold her a chair
and a matching footstool.
501
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,600
And she spent?
Oh...ItwastheEames.Hangon.
502
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Ah... Here we are.
503
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,840
I let her have them for £3,500.
504
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,880
That'sall?I know.
I probably should have got four.
505
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,800
No, I mean that's all she bought?
506
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,640
I couldn't get her to even look
at anything else.
507
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,800
£3,500, Mrs Williams. How do you
account for the difference?
508
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,040
You'll have to in court.
509
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Where you'll have plenty of time
to ask her, but until then-
510
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240
Did you know your husband bought
Katerina gifts?
511
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,080
That he had feelings for her?
512
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,920
OK. Time to go.
513
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,640
Your husband regularly saw
a prostitute behind your back.
514
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,480
Why are you still protecting him?
515
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,920
Jane...
516
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,320
All I ever wanted was to be
a wife and a mother.
517
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Can you understand that?
518
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,200
And the night he was with her,
I sat at home worrying.
519
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520
What his agent would say,
how his career was going.
520
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,640
Fretting, when all the time,
he was...
521
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080
I have to live with the
knowledge
522
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,080
that this person meant something
to Gavin.
523
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,120
But this is my family. Mine.
524
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,360
And I'm not going to help you
destroy it.
525
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,320
I understand what you're doing.
I'mnotdoinganything.
526
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,160
You're being loyal.
No.
527
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720
You're trying to link the money
you used to buy the chair
528
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840
with the money that was withdrawn
from the hole-in-the-wall.
529
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,240
But you took money out all the time.
There is no link.
530
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,120
If my husband had done what you
claim,
531
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,040
do you think I'd stand by him
regardless?
532
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,520
Then perhaps it's fear. This is the
life you feel you're owed, right?
533
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Nice husband, nice house. All you
have to do is be the dutiful wife.
534
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,400
Isn't that what you were taught? And
now something like this comes along
535
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,720
and your reaction is
"No, it never happened."
536
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Mm-mm. Too harsh.
537
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,640
What,youthink?If you bully her,
she'll come across as sympathetic.
538
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Well, she's lying to protect
a murderer.
539
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,440
I think the jury need to see it.
540
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280
What they'll see if somebody
whose life has fallen apart
541
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,080
but who is holding her ground,
fighting for her family.
542
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,400
You admire her, don't you?
543
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440
A little bit.
544
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Why?
545
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,720
Because she has been betrayed and
humiliated and yet there she is,
546
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,600
dug in, holding everything up
with spit and will-power.
547
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640
And that's sort of impressive.
548
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Yeah.
549
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,160
We're still going to have to break
her, though.
550
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,920
We'd better.
Without her, we can't prove motive.
551
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Yes, I'd say a wound like this -
its trajectory - is highly unusual.
552
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400
And you concluded...
Thebladewasflexible.
553
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Thank you.
554
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Is it not possible that this was a
rigid blade
555
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,160
that was simply deflected
by the rib.
556
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Were that to happen, I'd expect the
lateral movement of the knife
557
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,680
to open up the entry wound,
558
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,240
causing tearing of the flesh as the
angle of penetration altered.
559
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,280
It's not possible?
560
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Even though human skin is elastic
561
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480
and the victim might well have been
moving at the moment she was stabbed,
562
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,760
it's impossible that this wound
was caused by a rigid blade?
563
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,840
It's unlikely.
564
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,720
But not impossible.
565
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,560
She reckoned she could
get more out of him than just books.
566
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
That's what you said in your
statement.
567
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
If you say so.
568
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,400
And during this conversation,
569
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,480
was the word 'blackmail' used
at any time?
570
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,320
It didn't have to be.
571
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000
So she never actually said it?
No.
572
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Did she mention my client by name?
No.
573
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Just that he gave her gifts?
574
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
That she gave to charity shop.
575
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,400
Hmm. Katka, for everything.
Always, G.
576
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800
How many clients did Katka have?
577
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,040
My Lord, the witness can't possibly
be expected to answer that.
578
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,080
Ms Mathesson?
579
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Were you busier than Katka?
Aboutthesame.
580
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,360
And how many regular clients do you
have?
581
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Around 50. Maybe more.
582
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,440
Hmm. One or two with the initial G?
583
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,760
More than that. It is not unusual.
584
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,800
It isn't, is it?
585
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,800
Thank you.
586
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Some of those punches landed today.
587
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,680
Listen, tomorrow, Jane Williams.
588
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,240
Yeah, if we show she's lying,
we can establish a motive-
589
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,720
I want you to do it.Me?Well, you
interviewed her. You understand her.
590
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
I think 'impressive' was the word
used, wasn't it?
591
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,080
Yeah, along with 'sort of'.
592
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480
Listen, if we are going to break
her, isn't it better
593
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,960
to use an understanding, impressed
woman than a nasty, bullying man?
594
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,480
You'll be right beside me.
Won't it seem a bit cynical?
595
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320
No, because I won't be there.
596
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,200
What's going on?
I have to be out of town.
597
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,040
During the trial?
It's personal.
598
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Nothing to do with rats and sinking
ships, then?
599
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,120
No. And wear a wig.
600
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,160
Juries like them. God knows why.
Bit of gravitas, I suppose.
601
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Jake-
Without one, you look like my PA.
602
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Mrs Williams, you gave evidence that
in the two weeks before the murder,
603
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,560
you made eight withdrawals of £500.
604
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520
I have a little business,
which I run with a friend.
605
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,720
We buy certain items, antiques,
often for cash.
606
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Do you know what this is?
607
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,040
Thank you.
608
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360
It'sadeliverynote.Would you
read what is written on it, please?
609
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,760
Sold. One Eames chair
and footstool. Cash.
610
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,040
And the amount, please,
Mrs Williams?(READS)£3,500.
611
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,240
And is that your signature on the
bottom?Yes.
612
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
You took out £4,000.
Yes.
613
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640
So where did the other £500 go?
614
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
I must have spent it somewhere else.
615
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
At the antiques emporium?
Yes.
616
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Now you mention it. I bought two
Tiffany lamps. Blue dragonfly.
617
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,400
Only we have statements from all the
other stallholders there.
618
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,680
You didn't buy anything from them
that day,
619
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,640
certainly not Tiffany lamps.
620
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Perhaps they forgot.
621
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,800
A £500 sale?
No records? No recollection?
622
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,400
I... Maybe it was another day.
Or somewhere else.
623
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Or maybe it didn't happen at all.
624
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,960
Your husband withdrew that cash
to pay off his blackmailer
625
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,520
and now you're covering for him,
isn't that right?
626
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,240
No.IboughttheEames-
Yes, with cash that had nothing to do
627
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,280
with the money that was taken out
of your husband's account.
628
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520
That'snottrue.You withdraw cash
all the time. You said so yourself.
629
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Yes,but-So you thought
that you could pass off
630
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720
his cash withdrawal
as one of your own.
631
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
No-And by trying to link these two
entirely separate things,
632
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,200
you'd hope that it would explain
everything away.
633
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000
Only the sums don't quite add up,
do they, Mrs Williams?
634
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
None of it quite adds up, does it?
635
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Honestly! You prep them,
you coach them on their answers,
636
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,640
hours and hours getting them ready
so they won't freeze in the box
637
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,160
and what happens? I mean, it's not
like we didn't see you coming.
638
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Congratulations. You had her flopping
around like a landed fish up there.
639
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,920
I don't know about that.
640
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,560
Jacob was right. It was so much
better coming from you.
641
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Well, it's not like he gave me
much choice.
642
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,320
You think he dropped you in it?
643
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Don't you?
644
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Look, it's, erm...his mother.
645
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,560
She's not at all well.
646
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,360
That's why...
He had to go and see her.
647
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,400
Oh, I see. He didn't say.
648
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,120
No. He'll be back for closing.
649
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Just so you know.
650
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
You should be pleased with yourself.
651
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,240
Henry? I wasn't that good.
652
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,680
Jane Williams was prepped
and ready for me.
653
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,840
I didn't come at her
with anything new.
654
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,120
But she did more than just fall
apart up there,
655
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,960
she made our case for us.
656
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Why would she do that?
657
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,320
Have you reached a verdict upon which
you are all agreed?Wehave.
658
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,160
On the charge of the murder of
Katerina Cizek,
659
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,120
do you find the defendant
Gavin Williams guilty or not guilty?
660
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Guilty.
661
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,600
I think she did it deliberately.
Oh,comeon,Alesha.
662
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
Without her,
we couldn't make the blackmail stick.
663
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,680
Without the blackmail,
we had no case. She knew that.
664
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Nerves. Happens all the time.
665
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,440
I interviewed her, remember?
This one doesn't get nervous.
666
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560
You were there. All she had to do was
stick to her story.That's true.
667
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Henry?
Continue.
668
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,520
I'm just saying, maybe this loyal
wife wasn't that loyal after all.
669
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,920
Maybe she got just the result she
wanted.It's the one we wanted too.
670
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,320
I'm just saying it's worth a look-
We got the right man.
671
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,800
For the right reasons?
We got him. Does it matter how?
672
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,120
So the ends justify the means?
Simple as that?
673
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,800
He killed Katka Cizek.And his wife
served him up on a plate.
674
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Doesn't that strike you as odd?
675
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,840
Remind me, we won this case, right?
Fornow.ButifI'mthinkingthis,
676
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,280
how long before Rachel Mathesson
does the same?
677
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,240
I just want to dig around,
see what's there.
678
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,560
It wasn't nerves.
679
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,600
When's sentencing?
680
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Two weeks.
681
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Do it on your own time.
682
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,240
Gavin didn't stand a chance.
683
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,560
Thank you. In what sense?
684
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,600
We'd only just started up
the business.
685
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680
We were doing the house of a friend
of his.
686
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,720
They met.
687
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,760
She told me afterwards,
"He's the one. Give me a year."
688
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,920
He proposed after ten months.
Janey always gets what she wants.
689
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,720
Andthemarriagewasgood?
690
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,000
What would I know? My ex spent years
banging anything with a pulse
691
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,080
and I thought everything was fine.
692
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,920
Did she ever confide in you?
693
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,880
She thinks it's a sign of weakness.
694
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Even when Sam came along,
she didn't... You know?
695
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,640
There was one day. She cried.
For Janey, that's Krakatoa.
696
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,480
Whathappened?
It was a little while ago now.
697
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,440
Sam must have been six months.
698
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Whole days,
she was away with the fairies.
699
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Because of something that happened?
700
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,200
I think looking after Sam was really
taking it out of her.
701
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
So I told her I'd babysit and she
should go out.
702
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,280
See a movie, get pissed,
just...forget it all.And did she?
703
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Well, that's where she was the night
Gavin bumped off his Euro-tart.
704
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,120
OK, so she was out on the piss. I
think we need a bit more than that.
705
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,080
How about she told me she was
at home that night? "Fretting"?
706
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,920
Go on.In the weeks leading up to
the murder,
707
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,200
she was distracted. Stressed.
708
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,880
Well, so would you be if your kid
had cerebral palsy.
709
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,840
What if she knew about Katka then?
710
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,240
What if she planned to do something
about it?
711
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,960
What if all of it,
the display of loyalty,
712
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,680
the collapse in the witness box, was
actually her manipulating all of us?
713
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,960
You think she killed Katka?
714
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,440
I think she wanted her husband to pay
for what he did. Motive.
715
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,480
The knife matches theirs. Means.
716
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,200
She follows him to Katka's, waits,
and after he's gone, rings the bell,
717
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440
"I'm his wife. Can we talk?"
Opportunity.
718
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,320
But if she wanted to frame him,
why not just produce the knife?
719
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,440
She knows it would lead us
straight to him.
720
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,240
She's smarter than that. If she did,
he would know it was her.
721
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,560
That's quite a leap.
Weren't you ever taught,
722
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120
"You hear hooves, think horses-"
"Notzebras",Iknow.
723
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,200
But all along,
she has provided evidence
724
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,840
that looks like it exonerates him
while at the same time,
725
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440
actually condemning him.
Sometimes, it is zebras.
726
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Maybe she's sly.
727
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,240
But so am I.
728
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Idon'tunderstand.When the lab
sent the contents of Katka's stomach
729
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,360
to be tested,
the samples were compromised.
730
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Whichmeanswhat?We can't be sure
of the time of death.
731
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,520
So...it might have been later?
732
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,760
It might. We're not sure.
733
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,560
But it could have been when I was
with Steph, my agent.
734
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Which means I couldn't possibly have-
735
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,080
We'll know soon enough.
Unbelievable.
736
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Oh, God!
737
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,240
Do you realise what this means?
738
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,920
Didshebite?
Let's wait and see.
739
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,160
Rachel Mathesson was very convincing.
740
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,040
I'm sure she was, if she thinks
it will get her client off.
741
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,880
Yes?
742
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,920
Hotshots. What if you are wrong?
743
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
You colluded with Gavin Williams'
lawyer
744
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,200
and offered the false hope of
exoneration as bait.
745
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520
How do you think that will
play out there?
746
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,560
OK. Thanks.
747
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,440
That was Rachel. Jane Williams wants
to meet us tomorrow.
748
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
She bit.
749
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,480
I remembered I had left some boxes
of crockery and whatnot
750
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,160
at my mother's when we'd had the
kitchen done. I phoned her.
751
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,200
And the knife was in there?
752
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,440
I can't believe I didn't remember
until now.
753
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,680
And you collected it from your
mother's last night?That'sright.
754
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,720
Hmm.
755
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,000
These are sworn statements
from DS Brooks and DS Devlin.
756
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,120
They followed you from the moment
you left here yesterday.
757
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,520
You called at the house
of Vanessa Marsh.
758
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,320
You bought a bottle of wine.
759
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,440
You went home and you didn't leave
until you came here this morning.
760
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,560
You didn't go near your mother's.
Sorry,Idon'tunderstand.
761
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,520
What does it matter?
Just test the knife
762
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,760
and it will prove that he's innocent.
763
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,960
We both know what it will prove.
764
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000
It will be missing the sliver of
metal found in Katka's body.
765
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
It will prove conclusively that it's
the murder weapon.
766
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Which is the idea, isn't it?
767
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Sorry, wh-what are you talking about?
768
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400
How long had you known about Katka,
Mrs Williams?
769
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,800
Long enough to withdraw small
amounts of cash,
770
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600
£50 here, £50 there, nothing
that would attract attention-
771
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,520
-which you've squirrelled away until
you had four grand.
772
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Then, the week before the murder,
you made those big withdrawals,
773
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,200
which you knew would show up when the
police looked.
774
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,280
That's how it happened.
Can't you stop this?
775
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,680
You killed Katka, planted the money
under her mattress, went home,
776
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,880
kissed your boy good night and waited
for the police to come calling.
777
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,720
Are you mad?!
778
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,400
Whywouldshe-
The knife Jane brought in
779
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,240
was the knife that killed Katka.
If you didn't use it, then who did?
780
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,200
I found the phone.
781
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,320
Your other one.
782
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,640
The one you used for her.
783
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,480
Jane...
784
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,200
I read the texts, saw how long
you'd been lying, you piece of...
785
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Jane, I'm so sorry.
786
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,000
It was just a stupid crush,
it didn't mean anything.
787
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,320
I would never do anything to
hurt you and Sam.
788
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Jesus...
789
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
I thought I could help her.
790
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880
She didn't deserve...
791
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:05,200
Even now, you've still no idea
what you did.
792
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,440
OK.
793
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,760
OK, I was an idiot. I'm sorry.
794
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,400
But come on, do you think you're the
first wife who has ever been cheated-
795
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,440
You gave me herpes!
796
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,120
So that's what this is about?
797
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,280
You get a few sores
and I have to go to prison?
798
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,360
I was pregnant!
799
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,760
That whore gave it to you
and you give it to me
800
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,320
and you kept it a secret,
thought if I didn't know...
801
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,280
And all that time, you knew.
802
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,560
Don't you get it?
803
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,320
I didn't have any symptoms,
so I never got it treated.
804
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,360
And then Sam...
805
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Then Sam was born.
806
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Oh... Oh, no, no, no, please.
807
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,040
It went to his brain.
808
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,080
I was infected and...
809
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Who knows if he'll ever walk or
talk?
810
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,600
The seizures, the spasms...
811
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,160
You're the reason.
812
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
My beautiful boy.
813
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,840
It's not nothing.
814
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,840
It's everything.
815
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,240
Vodka tonic, please.
816
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,480
Jane Williams has pleaded guilty.
817
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,600
And Gavin is left to look after
his son.
818
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Adailyreminder.
Serves him right.
819
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,040
You think he was the villain?
820
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,640
Yes, no, I don't know.
Well, she was the one
821
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,720
who ended up destroying three lives.
Shelashedout.
822
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,400
Having spent the previous months
cooking up the plan
823
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,600
and getting the money out in order
to frame him.
824
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Hardly the heat of the moment.
Thankyou.
825
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Her son got handed a life sentence.
She just wanted to make them pay.
826
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,960
I wonder if she thinks
it was worth it.
827
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,920
She was defending her kid. Isn't
that what mothers are meant to do?
828
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Yeah. That's what they do.
829
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,760
Mmm.
830
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,600
I was sorry to hear about your mum.
831
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,360
Henry told you?
832
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,840
I thought you'd dropped me in it.
833
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,800
No, I'd never do that.
834
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,000
Are you OK?
I'mfine.
835
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Thanks for asking.
836
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,080
And your mum?
837
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Thanks for asking.
838
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400
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