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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,760 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:05,320 by two separate yet equally important groups - 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,200 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,200 and the Crown Prosecutors who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,240 These are their stories. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,960 Big smile for Mummy, Tom. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,440 I never can get a shot where they're both smiling. 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,440 Must be nice though - twins always have someone to play with. 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Only child? Yeah. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,520 Got ours buy one get one free. 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,920 Ryan! 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,880 Ryan? Ryan! 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,520 Are you OK? No. 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,760 My little boy's gone. He was just there and someone's taken him. 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,800 Oh, my God! Ryan! Ryan! 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Ryan! 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,480 Ryan! Ryan! 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,680 Ryan Stark. Two last week. 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,040 He was on the merry-go-round in the yellow car. 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,400 His mum turned away for no more than 30 seconds, 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,960 looked back and he was gone. Where's the ride operator? 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,320 He's having a pub lunch. He left his 15-year-old son in charge. 23 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,680 Although he wasn't being in charge? 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,120 He got distracted. He doesn't remember the kid or the mum. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,360 Kayla? This is DS Ronnie Brooks. Kayla Stark. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,400 Have you found Ryan yet? We've got a team working very hard on it. 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,000 The more you can tell us, the quicker we can find him. 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Could Ryan have got down from the ride by himself? 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,960 I dunno, he's been on it loads of times. No, he wouldn't just get off. 30 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,560 Was anyone else with you? 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,560 I was supposed to meet my ex, Jimmy, but he never showed. 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Is Jimmy Ryan's Dad? Yeah. 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,360 And is that Ryan's toy? 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Yeah, he takes it everywhere. Can't sleep without it. 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,840 We could use that. The Police dogs can pick up Ryan's scent from that. 36 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,880 If you don't mind? 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,280 Thanks. 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,840 Try not to worry, we'll do our very best to help you through it. 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,120 Karen? Yep. Kayla, Karen will take you home, and get a few things 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,360 and we'll meet you down at the station. 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Right. 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,680 Snatching a kid from a ride right in front of his own mum. 43 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,200 This bastard's got balls. 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,640 Yeah, and I know what I'd like to do with them. 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,320 How can a kid get snatched in front of 20 witnesses and no one see anything? 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,840 You know what it's like when you put your kid on a ride - 47 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,680 they're having the time of their life, 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,400 you're just watching your own kid, not anybody else's. 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,000 I bet half the mums and dads caught it on their phones. 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Get Ange to go through all the photos 51 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,200 and video footage we can get our hands on. 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,080 That'll be a problem. She's trawling through all the CCTV footage. 53 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,800 The dad was supposed to make contact today. 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,160 You know, this is probably just a custody thing. 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,440 The dad apparently had access once a month, 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,920 and he was meant to meet them at the merry-go-round 57 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,680 20 minutes before Ryan was snatched. He never showed up. 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Maybe he did and she never saw him. 59 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,400 Yeah, well, if the Dad did take the kid, hopefully he's safe. 60 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,520 Yeah, right, because dads never harm their own kids, do they? 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,920 All I'm saying, Matt, is if this is a custody thing 62 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 then he's gonna look after the kid, take care of him. 63 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,600 He couldn't have left the country - the missing child alert was actioned within the hour. 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Kayla's waiting in there. 65 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,080 Karen's collected the kid's toothbrush for DNA, just in case, 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,960 but let's rule out Dad before we consider any other options. 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,640 You've gotta find him before it gets dark. He hates the dark. 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Kayla, Ryan's dad, um... 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy. 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,520 Has he ever missed a visit before? No. 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,120 He's always on at me for extra visits. 72 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,480 Do you think he might've taken Ryan? He wouldn't. 73 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,880 Well, maybe...maybe he felt he wasn't getting enough time with Ryan. 74 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,680 I dunno. 75 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,320 And do you have a boyfriend now? No. 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,400 So it's just you and Ryan in the flat, 77 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,520 and his dad comes and visits once a month? Yeah. 78 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Look, Jimmy hasn't took Ryan. He wouldn't. 79 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,600 Have you got a mobile? Course. 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Did you take any pictures today of Ryan on the ride? 81 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,640 No. My card's full. 82 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,000 But you have photographs of Ryan on there, yeah? 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,560 Er, yeah. Um, I took... 84 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:01,040 I took this one last week. On his birthday. 85 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,280 Ryan's father is Jimmy Burton, 25, carpet fitter. 86 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:12,560 Uniform's been round his flat - no one home. 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,800 And his mobile goes straight to answerphone, 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,120 so does his home number. So we're onto him. 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,880 We've got a search out for his car 90 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,000 and we've added his details to Ryan's alert. 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,760 If he did take his kid and do a runner, 92 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,880 someone must know what he was planning to do. 93 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Maybe his best mate? Or the Grandma. 94 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,800 My Jimmy loves that boy enough 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,360 for 10 dads. 96 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,760 And only gets to see him once a month? Yeah. 97 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Being away from your kids can break a dad's heart. 98 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Break the gran's heart an' all. But grandparents don't have rights. 99 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Why did Jimmy and Kayla split up? 100 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,320 They was just kids themselves when they had Ryan. 101 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,800 They never stood a chance. 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,400 So was the break up amicable? 103 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Well, the only thing they argued about was Ryan. 104 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,840 Jimmy wanted to see more of him. 105 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,760 But Kayla didn't want that? 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,720 She was all right about visits till six months ago, 107 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,160 and she cut Jimmy's access down to once a month. 108 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,760 And that upset Jimmy? 109 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,000 He told me he'd had it with her messing him about. 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,200 He wanted it sorted. Enough to take Ryan? 111 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240 No, no. He was doing it by the book. He got himself a solicitor. 112 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,560 To get more access? To get custody. 113 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Oh, no. No, I know it looks bad but I swear to God, 114 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,720 Jimmy wouldn't do anything to mess up his chances 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,680 of getting Ryan for good. 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,640 I reckon glamour gran's straight up. 117 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 So do I, but maybe Jimmy hasn't told her everything. 118 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,240 If he takes that kid without Kayla's permission, even for one day, 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,840 the family court thing's gonna go against him. 120 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:47,920 Well, you don't know how it feels not to be able to see your kids, Matt. 121 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,400 No ta. 122 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,920 Sarah still not returned your calls, then? No. 123 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,960 She's probably busy, eh? 124 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,960 I've been through all the footage covering the merry-go-round. 125 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,480 This is Kayla and Ryan arriving. 126 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,280 This is Kayla watching Ryan on the ride. 127 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,600 What about the ride itself, Ange? Can you see Ryan on it? 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,280 If we could, we'd know who took him. 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,400 None of the cameras are clear enough to see who's on it. 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,480 And no sign of Jimmy Burton? 131 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,640 I'm sorry. 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Ryan's on the "at risk" register. 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Five months ago, one of the Nursery staff called social services 134 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,160 after spotting some bruising on his legs. 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,760 Kayla claims that he got it falling off the slide in the park. 136 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Last visit was a week ago. 137 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Ryan's case worker, Bernice Bradley's on holiday, 138 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,840 so you'll have to wait for her last report 139 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,400 but the rest are in there. 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Why aren't the reports filed immediately after a visit? 141 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Bernie's got 15 cases on the go. Can be a week or two 142 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,280 before a caseworker gets time to write a report. 143 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680 How long's Ryan been on the register? Five months. 144 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,080 He had some bruising but we think it was accidental. 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,040 Then why's he still on the register? His mum's on her own, 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,200 she's vulnerable. In what way? 147 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 She's young, inexperienced, no family support. 148 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,320 She needed some help. What kind of help? 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,520 We got her some parenting classes. She's doing really well. 150 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,640 So no major concerns over Ryan's welfare? 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,960 With a bit more support from us she could be a really good mum. 152 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Why didn't Kayla tell us about social services herself? 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,120 Gov, her focus is on getting her kid back. 154 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,320 That's gonna be the last thing on her mind. 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Any news on Jimmy? No sign of him. 156 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,480 You've spoken to his boss? And his work colleagues. 157 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,120 Everyone thinks he's a thoroughly decent blokes. Gov, 158 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,200 if he has got Ryan, maybe we can make him see sense to bring the boy in. 159 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,840 An appeal. Yeah. 160 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,600 That way we can get to Jimmy directly. 161 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,800 We don't want to scare him off too much, he's already gone to ground. 162 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,040 Don't worry. I'll get a psychologist to phrase the appeal 163 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,840 in such a way that if Jimmy has got Ryan, 164 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,000 he'll feel compelled to bring him in. 165 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,280 If you've got my Ryan, you need to bring him back. 166 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,320 We need him home with his family. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,720 He needs his mum. 168 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,880 Please bring my baby back. 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,680 Ladies and gents, we're not taking any questions at this point. 170 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,880 Thank you. If you think you've seen Ryan, 171 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,440 please give us a call at the police incident room. 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,360 And if you've got Ryan, 173 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Ryan's mum...and Dad love him very, very much, 174 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,240 so just pick up the phone. That's all you have to do. 175 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,760 We need Ryan back. 176 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Thank you very much. 177 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:51,440 No questions today, thank you. 178 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,960 You'll have plenty of chances when we know a a bit more. 179 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Was I all right? Yeah, you were great. 180 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,280 Most people find it really tough. 181 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,480 But did I look OK? 182 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Yeah. 183 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Are we sure he's not just some nutter? 184 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Well, Reception checked his ID, they reckon he's legit. 185 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,680 Let's find out then, shall we? 186 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,760 Have you found him yet? Jimmy Burton? Yeah. 187 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Take a seat. 188 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,720 I came the minute I heard the appeal. 189 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,760 Please tell me he's safe. 190 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Please tell me you've found my son. 191 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,480 This is crazy. Why do you think I'd take him? 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,440 Kayla said she was meant to meet you yesterday morning to collect Ryan. 193 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,080 Today. Today I was meant to meet him. She always gets it muddled up. 194 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Where were you yesterday, Jimmy? Your boss told us you took the day off. 195 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,360 I was driving up to Birmingham, to meet this bloke. Dan Tyler. 196 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Dan runs this fathers' rights group. He was gonna help me with my case. 197 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,840 To get custody of Ryan? 198 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,920 It was all right at first. 199 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Kayla let me take him every time she wanted a night out. 200 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,200 Every time there was a new bloke, she wanted Ryan out the way. 201 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,440 And what changed that? 202 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,320 About six months ago she stopped returning my calls. 203 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 I went round her flat but she wouldn't answer the door. 204 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480 After that, if I wanted to see Ryan I had to meet her somewhere public. 205 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Like the merry-go-round? 206 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Cos we weren't married and she never put me on the birth certificate, 207 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,760 I got no rights to my own kid. Can you believe that? 208 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,320 Dad's alibi checks out, he's in the clear. 209 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,760 I've been on to the dog unit. 210 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,680 The only scent that they picked up must have been Kayla Stark's 211 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,800 cos they followed it to the point where she gets into one of our cars. 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Why didn't they pick up Ryan's scent? 213 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,800 Kayla claims she washed the toy the night before Ryan went missing. 214 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,960 If he'd held it all morning, the dogs would have picked up his scent. 215 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,880 When my Sarah was a kid, she had this toy rabbit. 216 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,640 Went everywhere with her, ate with her, slept with her 217 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,240 she watched the telly with it. Even if she went on a bus, or in the car, 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,000 or on a ride, who was sat in the seat next to her all the time? Every time? 219 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 That rabbit. 220 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,840 So why wasn't this dinosaur toy thing on the ride with Ryan? 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,280 It fell off and I picked it up. Why didn't you give him back to him? 222 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,760 No, I couldn't. The ride was going round. 223 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,280 And Ryan didn't mind? 224 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,360 No. 225 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,240 You said he was very attached to the toy. 226 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,320 A lot of kids would have screamed the place down 227 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,520 had that happened to them. He was enjoying the ride. 228 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,840 Thing is, Kayla...no one remembers Ryan being on the ride, 229 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,880 or you putting him on it, or you paying for it. 230 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,080 We've looked at all the CCTV footage for the area 231 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,280 and we can see you, Kayla, pushing the buggy, 232 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,240 but we don't see Ryan in the buggy. 233 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,760 I don't understand. Of course he's in it. 234 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,960 Have you erm, have you found his dad yet? 235 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Cos I've been thinking, and I reckon you might be right - 236 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,520 I reckon that Jimmy could've taken him. 237 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,880 Jimmy's here at the station, Kayla. He doesn't have Ryan. 238 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,800 He might be lying. 239 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,320 I mean he could've took him up to his mum's. She hates me. 240 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,760 She'd do anything to get back at me. 241 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,360 The only scent that the dogs found on the scene was yours. 242 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,040 It's like Ryan was never there. That's because I washed Dino, innit? 243 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,080 But when the liaison officer took you back to your flat to get your things, 244 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,360 she took a couple of pillowcases from Ryan's bed 245 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,480 and the dogs didn't pick his scent up on the ride or anywhere else. 246 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,760 Well, I washed them too. 247 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,320 Before you took Ryan out? The night before. 248 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880 So where did Ryan sleep? 249 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,280 We should be out there! Looking for him! 250 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Could you take me, Ronnie? 251 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Maybe if we go somewhere where I went before, 252 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,160 maybe I can remember something, or find something that might help! 253 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 We got all the data off her phone, and downloaded all the photos. 254 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,720 There's 60 of them. 255 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,200 Well, she said it was full. No, the data card holds 500. 256 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Why would she lie about that? 257 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,000 Any photographs of Ryan on there? 258 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Only the one she showed you. The other 59 are of this bloke. 259 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,440 Well, who's that? She said she didn't have a boyfriend at the minute. 260 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Could be an ex. 261 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Yeah, but, I mean that is at Ryan's birthday party last week. 262 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Surely she'd have mentioned him? 263 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,280 We checked the internet access on the phone. 264 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,280 She visited this website five times last week. 265 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,080 It's a discussion thread for illegal adoption. 266 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,560 Oh, you're joking. 267 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,880 She messaged a couple of forum members too. 268 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Said she's got a two-year-old boy who she can't look after anymore. 269 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,440 So maybe Ryan was coming between her and lover boy. Yeah. 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,920 If she didn't want him anymore, 271 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,960 why didn't she just give him back to his dad? He wanted custody. 272 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,320 Spite maybe. 273 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 I mean, Jimmy's had trouble in the last six months 274 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,280 getting to see Ryan, hasn't he? So... 275 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 So she gives him away to a complete stranger? 276 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,440 I'm sorry, doesn't make any sense. 277 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 You've never had the pleasure of walking down the aisle, have you? 278 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,680 So many people can't have kids of their own. 279 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,800 But loads of kids get adopted legally. 280 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,400 It takes years that, doesn't it? 281 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,200 And not every kid, by the way, is a two-year-old cute blonde boy. 282 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,680 So some desperate couple skips the red tape 283 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,560 and she gets her freedom back. 284 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,720 If she wanted to give him away maybe she made up the abduction story 285 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,600 just to cover her tracks. We've got to get her talking. 286 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,280 She wanted me to go out there and help her find Ryan, so... 287 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,400 I'd be happier if you talked to her here. 288 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,560 No, cos If Ron goes out and retraces her steps, 289 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,480 we get to see the whole journey in detail. 290 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,320 And if there was a handover, maybe somebody saw something. 291 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,560 Well, all right. But I want you on a wire. We've got to cover our arses. 292 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,000 You and Jimmy don't get on, then? 293 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,760 He doesn't like me having boyfriends in case Ryan likes them too much. 294 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,520 Maybe he's scared of losing Ryan for good. 295 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,840 I mean, you get married, Ryan gets a new dad. 296 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880 I'm not getting married until I'm at least 25. 297 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,400 'How comes you don't have a boyfriend? Pretty girl like you, 298 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,640 they must be queuing up round the block.' 299 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,840 'Yeah, cos they really wanna be lumbered with someone else's kid.' 300 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,000 'Do you regret having Ryan so young?' 301 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Used to be all I ever wanted. 302 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,200 Be like them girls pushing prams round the estate, all proud. 303 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,000 I remember at school they did this talk 304 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,520 about how hard it was to be a mum 305 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,840 and we were all just like, whatever. 306 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,880 They even had one of them dolls, you know, 307 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,000 that cries when it needs changing? Yeah. 308 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,200 Supposed to put you off having kids. 309 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,760 But it didn't put you off? 310 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,440 When it was my turn to take it home, 311 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,080 it was proper screaming at two o'clock in the morning - 312 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,920 I just took the batteries out. 313 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,360 'Well, you can't do that with a real baby.' 314 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,800 'Wish I'd had a dad like you.' 315 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,800 'I'm not sure my daughters would agree!' 316 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,400 'They would if they had my dad.' 317 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,520 My eldest daughter Sarah, she's er... 318 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,240 ..she's sort of about your age. 319 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,840 She's expecting a baby. 320 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:15,040 You're gonna be a granddad. 321 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Well, if she'll let me. 322 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,320 She's not returning my calls. 323 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Why not? 324 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Because the dad she remembers 325 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,280 chose a bottle of whisky over her and her sister. 326 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,400 So, where next? 327 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,040 You don't drink now, then? Not for 2,198 days. 328 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,440 Your daughter not proud? 329 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,840 It doesn't change the past, does it? 330 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,200 And I'm not proud of that, so... 331 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Bet all she wants is a big hug from her dad. 332 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,960 Talk to me, Kayla. Trust me. 333 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,360 (TEARFULLY) I've kind of told you a white lie, Ronnie. 334 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,080 I have got a boyfriend. 335 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,520 We... 336 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,520 ..we had a row before I come out. 337 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,640 What about? Jimmy. 338 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,240 And he doesn't like Jimmy seeing Ryan? 339 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,920 He doesn't like me seeing Jimmy. 340 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,160 He got me to stop the visits. Oh. 341 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,280 And sometimes I'd let Jimmy see Ryan in secret, 342 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,000 but...if he found out, he'd go mental. 343 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,320 Does your boyfriend have a name? 344 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,440 'Rob.' 345 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,360 'Does Rob have a temper?' 346 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,920 He doesn't like it when Ryan cries. 347 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,840 But kids cry. You can't stop 'em. 348 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,600 Did he ever try and stop Ryan from crying? 349 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,520 He couldn't think straight with all that noise. 350 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,160 That's what he said. 351 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,880 'I left the house about 10:30, 352 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,360 come up the shops to buy fish fingers and chips for Ryan's tea.' 353 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,680 When I met Rob I thought that he liked kids. He's got enough of 'em. 354 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,720 How many kids has he got? Four. 355 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,240 He don't see 'em or nothing. 356 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,160 Must cost him a fortune in child support. 357 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,440 No, it's all right, he's on benefit so he don't pay or anything. 358 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,920 And where does Rob live? We're just down there. 359 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200 Hang on a minute, so you live in Morden Rise with Rob? 360 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,280 But I thought you lived in Tollington View. 361 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,960 I did. But Rob wanted us to move into his place. 362 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,960 But your name's still on your old flat. 363 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,000 My mate lives there with her kid. 364 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840 So the pillowcases and toothbrush, they weren't even Ryan's? 365 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,760 'I'm sorry. I lied.' 366 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240 Morden Rise. All units to Morden Rise. 367 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Sorry, babe. I had to tell them what you done. 368 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Stupid cow! 369 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Search the bedrooms. Cuff him. 370 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,960 Robert Whitely, I'm arresting you 371 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,080 on suspicion of kidnapping Ryan Stark. 372 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,120 No, nothing. 373 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720 What have you done with Ryan, Kayla? Where is he? 374 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,600 He's in heaven, Ronnie. 375 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,440 My baby boy is in heaven with the angels. 376 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,880 My client has prepared a statement which he would like to read out. 377 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,480 I left my flat at 13 Morden Rise at five. 378 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,680 My mate, Colin Woods, picked me up in his car 379 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,880 and we drove to Milton Keynes where he lives. 380 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,200 We had a few drinks at his place and then went clubbing. 381 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,160 We were drinking all night, and didn't get to London 382 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,120 until the next day. 383 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Did you go into Ryan's room before you went out? No comment. 384 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,160 You say you were drinking heavily. 385 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,120 Do you remember coming home? No comment. 386 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,400 Do you have any memory of what you did when you got home? No comment. 387 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,320 Did you go into Ryan's bedroom when you got home? No comment. 388 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,520 Did you kill Ryan Stark? I never went near her bloody kid! 389 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,120 Shut up, Rob. 390 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,920 My client has no further comments to make. 391 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 So, what are we talking here? Sustained abuse or a single attack? 392 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,480 Well, there's evidence of ongoing neglect and injuries 393 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,920 dating back six months. 394 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560 And he never came to the attention of Social Services? 395 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,480 This is the updated file. Ryan was subject to a Child Protection plan 396 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240 for the last five months of his life. 397 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,200 Doesn't look like they did a very good job! 398 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 They were on the back foot. Social Services weren't aware that 399 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,400 Kayla and Ryan were living with Whitely until after Ryan died. 400 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200 They were running a benefit scam, claiming on two flats. 401 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720 All Social Services visits happened at Kayla's flat. 402 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,400 So they had no idea Rob Whitely was on the scene? Exactly. 403 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,160 What was the cause of death? Suffocation. 404 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,880 We can't be sure how. He had three cracked ribs 405 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,000 and there was bruising on his back. 406 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,560 And we think during the attack 407 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Whitely pressed his full weight down onto Ryan. 408 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,040 The pathologist then reckoned that had that happened on a sofa or a bed, 409 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,080 Ryan could easily have suffocated. Were both of them abusing him? 410 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Kayla knew what Whitely was up to, that's for sure, 411 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,600 but it was definitely Whitely that was hurting the boy. 412 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,920 He had a sovereign ring when we arrested him. 413 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200 We matched marks from Ryan's body to that ring. 414 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Initially, Kayla claimed Whitely was abusing Ryan. 415 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,720 She changed her story? Not exactly. 416 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,880 When we arrested them and they got briefed up, 417 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,720 their only words were "no comment." 418 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040 But Whitely did come up with some sort of an alibi, didn't he? Yeah. 419 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,320 Does it check out? 420 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,320 We've got evidence of him being in a nightclub part of the night, 421 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,880 but he easily had time enough to get back and kill Ryan. 422 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,720 So is this child cruelty resulting in death or is it murder? 423 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 No, no, it is murder. No doubt about it. 424 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,760 Kayla and Rob Whitely haven't made any attempt 425 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,160 to explain how or why Ryan died. 426 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,280 That's to be expected. 427 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,640 Their legal advisors have made sure they don't incriminate themselves. 428 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720 I can't promise we can secure a murder conviction, 429 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,040 but I will do my best to make sure they both go to prison. 430 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,360 I've got journalists... 431 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,400 ..banging my door down, day and night... 432 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,520 ..wanting my story. 433 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,880 All of a sudden everyone wants to hear what I got to say. 434 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,240 For the past six months... 435 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,760 ..I've been begging someone to listen... 436 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,800 ..and all I heard was I got no right to see my own son. 437 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,360 I'm his dad. I should've kept him safe. 438 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,640 You know murder is notoriously hard to prove in child cruelty cases. 439 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,120 The abuse speaks for itself. 440 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,680 A jury who sees the photographs will want to bring back hanging. A life sentence is a soft option. 441 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,440 You think the Home Secretary wants a big expensive trial? 442 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200 What's the alternative? 443 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,520 I'm not dropping the murder charge 444 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,120 to save the Ministry of Justice a few quid, Henry. 445 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,320 Just make sure those two don't get bail. 446 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320 Kayla was removed from her family at the age of five 447 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000 following chronic sexual abuse and physical violence 448 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,920 at the hands of her alcoholic father. 449 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Spare me the sob story. 450 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,200 I have a report here from a clinical psychologist 451 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240 specialising in women who collude with a partner's abuse. 452 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,200 It states that my client had "Developed a narcissistic attitude 453 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,360 towards her son, viewing him as an extension of herself". 454 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,840 So what are you saying? It wasn't her fault her son died? 455 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,280 I'm saying her norms are radically different to yours or mine. 456 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,400 She's only worthy of cruelty, so that's how she treats her child. 457 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640 And I can cite you women like Shy Keenan 458 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680 who endured the most horrific abuse 459 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600 but came out the other side a hero not an abuser. 460 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,800 It's a choice. 461 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,920 Not if it affects her fitness to plead. 462 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,800 History of abuse has no bearing on fitness to plead. 463 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,960 She's as sane as any one of us, and you know it. 464 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Sane maybe, but she also has severe learning difficulties 465 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,680 and the IQ of a 10-year-old child. 466 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,440 Well, 10 is the age of criminal responsibility so we're good to go. 467 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,560 You really don't remember me, do you? 468 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080 I'm sorry, should I? 469 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,640 Phone number on the bedside table would've been nice. 470 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Defence are going to argue if Kayla Stark 471 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,280 hadn't been a victim of abuse, none of this would've happened. 472 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840 An abusive childhood might be convenient mitigation 473 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280 but it isn't an excuse for murder. She deserves to go to prison. 474 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,160 Any juror will see they deserve jail time, 475 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000 but what they did needs explaining. 476 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200 These are the wrong defendants to get all touchy feely over. 477 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,520 They end up in psych units, the Home Secretary'll hang us all out to dry. 478 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,880 I think we need to cover ourselves and order our own psych evaluations. 479 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,720 Because her brief found a psychiatrist who claims Kayla Stark has a low IQ? 480 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,440 Because we need to be one step ahead of defence. 481 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,640 And don't you wanna know why they killed Ryan? 482 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400 If we don't ask why, who will? 483 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,640 Substitute psychology for morality and our jobs become obsolete. 484 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Deny they had a choice, you deny responsibility. 485 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320 So you really don't care why? Not in this case, no. 486 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600 All I care about is convicting one of them for the murder of a child. 487 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760 If we push for a murder trial we could lose. 488 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880 There isn't enough evidence to prove which one of them killed Ryan. 489 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480 She's right. If we can't prove which one killed the boy, 490 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,520 there's sufficient reasonable doubt to see them both walk. 491 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,720 We could consider a manslaughter charge, 492 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,880 try and get them to plead guilty. 493 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320 We may not get them to plead at all. 494 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Whitely and Stark's briefs have joined forces. 495 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,120 They've applied for a fitness to plead hearing. 496 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,440 Sorry Mr Browning, I have no doubt Robert Whitely is fit to plead. 497 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,200 I have some concerns, however, regarding Kayla Stark's IQ 498 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,960 and her learning difficulties. 499 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560 Has she the mental ability to follow the proceedings? 500 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000 We try 10-year-old children for murder 501 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,720 without regard to their ability to follow proceedings. 502 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,960 I'm not interested in debating the age of criminal responsibility, 503 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,440 only in Kayla Stark's ability to understand what she's pleading to. 504 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680 The psychiatric evaluations suggest that she doesn't, m'Lord. 505 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,960 So on the say so of two psychiatrists who've seen her for five minutes, 506 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,320 we go from murder to nothing in less than an hour! 507 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,560 If she's not fit to plead, she's not fit to plead. 508 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,720 It's not rocket science. Which is fortunate as none of us are rocket scientists. 509 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,240 There is also my defendant's family history to take into consideration. 510 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640 Which you can introduce in trial but bears no relevance to this hearing. 511 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,720 Indeed, Mr Thorne. 512 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,480 According to reports, she is not suffering from mental illness. 513 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,480 So, the only issue is her IQ and her learning difficulties. 514 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,800 She was capable of concocting a story 515 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,480 that her child had been abducted. 516 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,320 Low IQ or not, she is quite capable of standing trial. 517 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,920 I'm sorry, Miss Dyer, I'm with the Crown on this. 518 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520 Anyone capable of weaving such an elaborate web of lies 519 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,600 is capable of entering a plea. 520 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 The charges stand. Trial will commence on Monday. 521 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,040 What do you reckon? 10 minutes before one of them caves? 522 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,120 15 if they've got any self respect. 523 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240 Yvette or Gregor? Yvette, definitely. 524 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400 I reckon Gregor secretly wants the glory of a high profile trial. 525 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440 Yvette actually cares about her clients. Jake! 526 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,480 And she fancies you. 527 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880 We'll plead guilty to causing or allowing the death of a child. 528 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560 Great news. It'll help us secure the murder conviction. 529 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,040 If you drop the murder charge. 530 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,080 Even if she pleads to the lower charge, 531 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,600 she could still end up in prison for life. So we all rest easy. 532 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,320 Except for Ryan's dad. Oh, come on, Jake. 533 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,960 Accept the plea and we'll give you Whitely gift wrapped. 534 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,440 Kayla will turn QE? 535 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400 She'll give you every last detail you need to crucify Whitely 536 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,400 and put him away for murder. 537 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,040 Ronnie. 538 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,680 I've heard you've accepted a plea from Kayla Stark. 539 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,880 She pleaded guilty to causing or allowing the death of a child. 540 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400 She was sentenced this morning, five year tariff. 541 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840 We charged her with murder on joint enterprise. 542 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,360 We've got no evidence to prove which one killed Ryan. 543 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880 We put them both in that dock, 544 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,600 their briefs'll cry reasonable doubt and they can walk. 545 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,960 I know why you did it, but it's just a matter of time 546 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,280 before Whitely's brief comes knocking at your door for the same deal. 547 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,960 If you accept Whitely's plea, they could both be out in five years. 548 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,440 Please, please tell me you think more of that little boy's life than that. 549 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600 You've been a copper long enough to know how the law works, Ronnie. 550 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Long enough to hope 551 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680 that if I charge someone with murder, they will be tried for murder. 552 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,200 Ronnie, 553 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,160 you have my word, 554 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,960 with Kayla's evidence, I can try Whitely with murder 555 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,360 and send him to prison for life. 556 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Did my client, Robert Whitely, 557 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,280 ever confess to killing Ryan Stark? 558 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,120 No. 559 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,000 So all you have is his ex-girlfriend Kayla Stark's claim that he did? 560 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960 Well, she was very clear about who killed her son. 561 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640 These claims Kayla made 562 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320 were offered up during a little walk you took together? 563 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,880 Yes they were, but we went out together to retrace her steps. 564 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680 Ah. I thought you took her out 565 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,160 to ask her personal, probing questions about her love life. 566 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600 I was trying to find out if Ryan was at risk from someone else. 567 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,280 And did you tell her she was pretty? 568 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,000 My learned friend is deviating into fantasy land, m'Lord. 569 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,120 His insinuation DS Brooks, an officer with an impeccable record, 570 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,920 had some ulterior motive is beyond ridiculous. 571 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Withdrawn, m'Lord. 572 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,720 Let me ask you one more time, DS Brooks, 573 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,240 so we are completely clear, 574 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440 during the course of the police interviews, 575 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,640 did Robert Whitely at any time 576 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720 say he was responsible for Ryan's death? 577 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800 No. No further questions, m'Lord. 578 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Re-examination, m'Lord. 579 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,160 Am I right in assuming 580 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,960 that other than a brief statement setting out his alibi, 581 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480 the defendant said nothing more than "no comment" 582 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,240 while he was in police custody? Apart from one abusive remark, yes. 583 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,680 And am I also right in assuming 584 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360 when you went out with Kayla Stark on this search for Ryan, 585 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560 you were under the assumption that Ryan had been illegally adopted? 586 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080 Evidence suggested that Kayla had given Ryan away. 587 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800 So we thought by retracing her steps, we could find some new witnesses. 588 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,760 So the only reason you took this unorthodox approach 589 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,680 was because you believed there was a slim chance of finding Ryan alive, 590 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,480 and you might rescue him? 591 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,240 Well, we had hoped that that was the case, yes. 592 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,760 Thank you, Detective Sergeant, you've been most helpful. 593 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800 Did Whitely attack Ryan the night he died? 594 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280 I was in bed...and Ryan was crying. 595 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520 Rob went into Ryan's room. 596 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,560 I heard him shouting. 597 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,840 I heard Ryan - he was crying and then he stopped. 598 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,160 When I went to get Ryan up in the morning, 599 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840 I knew he was dead. 600 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,720 I was scared. Jimmy was supposed to see him the next day. I panicked. 601 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,160 And pretended Ryan had been abducted? 602 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,240 Yeah. 603 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,280 So there is no doubt in your mind 604 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,160 that your son was alive when Robert Whitely entered his room that night 605 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,320 and dead when he left it? 606 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,280 No doubt at all. 607 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,680 You pleaded guilty to "causing or allowing" Ryan's death. 608 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680 Did anyone else allow Ryan's death? 609 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920 Did anyone else know about Ryan's injuries? 610 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,240 His social worker, Bernie Bradley, she knew. 611 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920 Is my learned friend simply hurling mud left, right and centre 612 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,520 and seeing where it lands, 613 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,880 or does this bear any relevance to the question of his client's guilt? 614 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,880 Make your point, Mr Browning. 615 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,320 There were 23 separate visits or meetings with social workers 616 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,360 who came into your home and asked you questions about Ryan's injuries? 617 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,440 Yeah. So how is it possible that Ryan continued to suffer abuse? 618 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560 I covered it up. To protect your boyfriend? 619 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,800 No to protect Ryan. 620 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,800 I grew up in care. I know what them places are like. 621 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,240 I was afraid they'd take him away from me. 622 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,760 And these social workers, they believed your lies? 623 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,960 I dunno. They wanted to get out of my house as quick as they could. 624 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520 That Bernie Bradley woman said my flat smelled. 625 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,240 She didn't want to conduct further visits to a child 626 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:23,240 with inexplicable repeated serious injuries because your flat smelled?! 627 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,200 That's right. And did she come on a visit the week before Ryan died? 628 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,320 And how long did Bernie Bradley stay? She didn't. 629 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,280 She was on the doorstep a minute or so. 630 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520 Did she see Ryan? He was asleep. 631 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960 So a week before Ryan's death, 632 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,160 this senior social worker, responsible for Ryan's welfare, 633 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,440 conducted this final visit 634 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,360 and then walked away without even seeing him?! 635 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,800 Yeah. 636 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120 No further questions my Lord. 637 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:03,080 Gregor did a good job of making Ryan's social worker sound culpable. 638 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Yeah, maybe she had a role in Ryan's death 639 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880 but you can't lay the blame on a bureaucratic system. 640 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120 Even if they failed to protect a child? 641 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,640 Social Services have already sacked Bernice Bradley 642 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,720 to save their own skins. Gregor's turning this into a witch hunt. 643 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,960 If he causes enough confusion, the jury won't know who to blame. 644 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680 Aren't you the one responsible for Ryan Stark's death? 645 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,880 I mean, you're the social worker who saw him 23 times 646 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,400 and between your visits he was battered senseless. 647 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400 Kayla Stark hid what was going on. She lied about where she was living. 648 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,800 Wasn't it your job to dig a little deeper? 649 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,240 A week before he died, I sent Ryan's case for review 650 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,160 so care proceedings could be considered. It's not in the file. 651 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,800 There was an administrative error in the department. 652 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560 My written request was misfiled by a temp. 653 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,280 Are you telling this court the life of an abused child was in the hands of a temp? 654 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Our department was already short staffed before our funding was cut. 655 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360 You were there, were you not? You didn't notice Ryan's case 656 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,720 hadn't come up for review? 657 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,960 I thought about that little boy all the time. 658 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,200 And yet you didn't help him. I went there the night he died! 659 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,400 There's no record of any visit that night. It was out of hours. 660 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,160 I turned up at the address on the file and she wasn't there. 661 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,800 Her old neighbour told me where she was now living, 662 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,240 I went round there and I told her I was issuing care proceedings. 663 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,080 Are you 100 per cent certain 664 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080 this impromptu doorstep visit took place 665 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,200 the night Ryan died and not the week before? 666 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,120 100 hundred percent. It was my birthday 667 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,280 and I spent it writing a report stating she was living at Whitely's. 668 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640 I posted it through the office door at 5am 669 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,840 before I got my flight to Spain. And it never went into the file? 670 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,800 It was added to the request to issue care proceedings. 671 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,440 Which got misfiled. 672 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,520 By the time it was found, I'd been summarily dismissed. 673 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,360 I did everything in my power to protect that little boy. 674 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,120 You have to believe me. 675 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Thanks a lot, Bernie. 676 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400 Kayla lied about the last visit. 677 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,000 She said in court that Bernie came round the week before Ryan died. 678 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040 Which she did. The last official visit at Kayla's old flat 679 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,760 was the week before Ryan's death. 680 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,120 But the doorstep visit was at Whitely's flat 681 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,400 and happened the night Ryan died. 682 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,880 You'd remember if your social worker came round the night your kid died. 683 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960 So, what else has she been lying about? 684 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,760 Ronnie? It's Jacob Thorne. 685 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,280 What exactly did you say to Kayla Stark to get her to open up to you? 686 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680 The night Bernie Bradley came round 687 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,360 and you spoke to her on your doorstep, was Rob there? 688 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,120 He was out clubbing. We'd had a row. 689 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,000 He didn't come back till the next day. 690 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,680 So the visit took place at Rob Whitely's flat? 691 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,520 Not your old flat, like all the other Social Services visits? 692 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,560 Yeah. Well, she'd found out I was living there, hadn't she? 693 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,760 Some busybody mouthing off. 694 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,360 What time did he go out and what time did he return? 695 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,920 He went out about eight. Got back the next morning about 10, 696 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,360 just before I went out. 697 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,360 Where did you go? 698 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,760 Where did you go? I don't remember. 699 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040 You went to the corner shop, didn't you? You bought fish fingers. 700 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,600 You went to the park, then you went to the merry-go-round in Bermondsey. 701 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200 No, I didn't. Not that day. Then you raised the alarm 702 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,520 that your son was missing, 703 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,480 claiming that he'd been snatched from the merry-go-round. 704 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,320 Isn't that the case? You've got it wrong. 705 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,440 Bernice Bradley has told this court she went round to Whitely's flat 706 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,480 and told you she was issuing care proceedings on the night Ryan died. 707 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,600 She remembers quite distinctly because it was her birthday. 708 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,960 You told the court that Rob was out the night Bernie made her visit 709 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,560 which tallies with his alibi that he was clubbing in Milton Keynes. 710 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,440 According to the pathology report, Ryan died between 10pm and 6am. 711 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,000 If Robert Whitely wasn't at home during these hours, 712 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680 how did Ryan die? 713 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,280 He went in his room before he went out. I wasn't lying. 714 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,280 No, you weren't lying, Kayla, 715 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,080 but you weren't telling us the whole truth either, were you? 716 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,840 You told this court you went into Ryan's room at 8 the next morning 717 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,360 to get him up, but you went in before that, didn't you? 718 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,760 He was in so much pain. 719 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,240 You suffered extensive abuse 720 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,720 at the hands of your own father, didn't you, Kayla? 721 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,880 It must have been heartbreaking, seeing Ryan suffer like you did? 722 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,200 I had to make it stop. Of course you did. 723 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,960 That's what mums do, isn't it? 724 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,720 Try and take away their child's suffering. What did you do? 725 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,400 Talk to me, Kayla. 726 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,880 Trust me. 727 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920 They were gonna take him into care. 728 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320 I... 729 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,360 I got a pillow... 730 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880 ..and I put it on his face... 731 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,040 ..till he stopped moving. 732 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,840 I...I just wanted him to be safe. 733 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720 I'm sorry. 734 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:55,440 Jimmy, Jimmy... I'm so sorry. 735 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,280 Kayla's pleading guilty to the murder charge. 736 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480 She knows she'll go to prison? 737 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,840 She incriminated herself in open court. She's hardly got options. 738 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,720 Henry will be thrilled you've saved the MOJ the cost of another trial. 739 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,240 And they can sentence her along with Whitely, 740 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200 so, two for the price of one. 741 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,840 And you don't have to spar with me across the court room 742 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,800 for the next few weeks. Result. 743 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,920 Blue tulip... 744 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,480 left shoulder blade. 745 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,400 Some things I don't forget. 746 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,800 Kayla Stark, you have pleaded guilty to murder. 747 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,520 I have no other option than to sentence you to life in prison 748 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,920 for the minimum term of 20 years. 749 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,000 Robert Whitely, you have been found guilty of causing or allowing 750 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,600 the death of a child. 751 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080 It is my belief you played a major role in the death of that child 752 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,640 and had he not been moved into your home, he would still be alive now. 753 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,400 I therefore sentence you 754 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,680 to a term of imprisonment for public protection 755 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,040 with a minimum term of eight years. Take them down. 756 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,440 Jake! 757 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,000 Thank you. 758 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,320 We did the right thing. 759 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080 Yeah, we did. 760 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,160 Do you fancy a pint? 761 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,040 I can't tonight. Er... 762 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,240 Actually, I've got plans. I'm seeing my daughter. 763 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,240 Another time. Yeah? 764 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000 itfc subtitles 71168

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