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In the criminal justice system,
the people are represented
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by two separate
yet equally important groups -
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the police who investigate crime
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and the Crown Prosecutors
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Big smile for Mummy, Tom.
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I never can get a shot
where they're both smiling.
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Must be nice though - twins always
have someone to play with.
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Only child?
Yeah.
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Got ours buy one get one free.
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Ryan!
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Ryan? Ryan!
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Are you OK?
No.
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My little boy's gone. He was just
there and someone's taken him.
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Oh, my God! Ryan! Ryan!
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Ryan!
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Ryan! Ryan!
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Ryan Stark. Two last week.
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He was on the merry-go-round
in the yellow car.
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His mum turned away
for no more than 30 seconds,
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looked back and he was gone.
Where's the ride operator?
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He's having a pub lunch. He left
his 15-year-old son in charge.
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Although he wasn't being in charge?
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He got distracted. He doesn't
remember the kid or the mum.
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Kayla? This is DS Ronnie Brooks.
Kayla Stark.
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Have you found Ryan yet?We've got
a team working very hard on it.
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The more youcan tell us,
the quicker we can find him.
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Could Ryan have got down
from the ride by himself?
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I dunno, he's been on it loads of
times. No, he wouldn't just get off.
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Was anyone else with you?
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I was supposed to meet my ex, Jimmy,
but he never showed.
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Is Jimmy Ryan's Dad?
Yeah.
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And is that Ryan's toy?
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Yeah, he takes it everywhere.
Can't sleep without it.
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We could use that. The Police dogs
can pick up Ryan's scent from that.
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If you don't mind?
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Thanks.
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Try not to worry, we'll do our
very best to help you through it.
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Karen?Yep.Kayla, Karen will take
you home, and get a few things
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and we'll meet you
down at the station.
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Right.
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Snatching a kid from a ride
right in front of his own mum.
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This bastard's got balls.
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Yeah, and I know what I'd like to do
with them.
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How can a kid get snatched
in front of 20 witnesses
and no one see anything?
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You know what it's like
when you put your kid on a ride -
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they're having
the time of their life,
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you're just watching your own kid,
not anybody else's.
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I bet half the mums and dads
caught it on their phones.
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Get Ange
to go through all the photos
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and video footage
we can get our hands on.
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That'll be a problem. She's trawling
through all the CCTV footage.
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The dad was supposed to make contact
today.
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You know, this is probably
just a custody thing.
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The dad apparently had access
once a month,
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and he was meant to meet them
at the merry-go-round
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20 minutes before Ryan was snatched.
Henever showed up.
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Maybe he did and she never saw him.
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Yeah, well, if the Dad did take
the kid, hopefully he's safe.
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Yeah, right, because dads never harm
their own kids, do they?
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All I'm saying, Matt,
is if this is a custody thing
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then he's gonna look after the kid,
take care of him.
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He couldn't have left the country -
the missing child alert
was actioned within the hour.
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Kayla's waiting in there.
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Karen's collected the kid's
toothbrush for DNA, just in case,
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but let's rule out Dadbefore
we consider any other options.
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You've gotta find him before
it gets dark. He hates the dark.
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Kayla, Ryan's dad, um...
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Jimmy.
Yeah, Jimmy.
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Has he ever missed a visit before?
No.
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He's always on at me
for extravisits.
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Do you think he might've taken Ryan?
He wouldn't.
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Well, maybe...maybe he felt he wasn't
getting enough time with Ryan.
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I dunno.
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And do you have a boyfriend now?
No.
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So it's just you and Ryan
in the flat,
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and his dad comes and visits
once a month?Yeah.
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Look, Jimmy hasn't took Ryan.
He wouldn't.
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Have you got a mobile?
Course.
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Did you take any pictures today
ofRyan on the ride?
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No. My card's full.
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But you have photographs of Ryan
on there, yeah?
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Er, yeah. Um, I took...
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I took this one
last week. On his birthday.
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Ryan's father is Jimmy Burton, 25,
carpet fitter.
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Uniform's been round his flat -
no one home.
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And his mobile goes straight to
answerphone,
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so does his home number.
So we're onto him.
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We've got a search out for his car
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and we've added his details
to Ryan's alert.
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If he did take his kid
and do a runner,
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someone must know
what he was planning to do.
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Maybe his best mate?
Or the Grandma.
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My Jimmy loves that boy enough
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for 10 dads.
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And only gets to see him
once a month?Yeah.
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Being away from your kids
can break a dad's heart.
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Break the gran's heart an' all.
But grandparents don't have rights.
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Why did Jimmy and Kayla split up?
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They was just kids themselves
when they had Ryan.
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They never stood a chance.
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So was the break up amicable?
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Well, the only thing
they arguedabout was Ryan.
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Jimmy wanted to see more of him.
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But Kayla didn't want that?
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She was all right about visits
till six months ago,
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and she cut Jimmy'saccess down
to once a month.
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And that upset Jimmy?
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He told me he'd had it
with her messing him about.
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He wanted itsorted.
Enough to take Ryan?
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No, no. He was doing it by the book.
He got himself a solicitor.
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To get more access?
To get custody.
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Oh, no. No, I know it looks bad
but I swear to God,
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Jimmy wouldn't do anything
to mess up his chances
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of getting Ryan for good.
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I reckon glamour gran's straight up.
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So do I, but maybe Jimmy
hasn't told her everything.
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If he takes that kid without Kayla's
permission, even for one day,
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thefamily court thing's
gonna go against him.
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Well, you don't know how it feels not
to be able to see your kids, Matt.
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No ta.
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Sarah still not returned your calls,
then?No.
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She's probably busy, eh?
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I've been through all the footage
covering the merry-go-round.
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This isKayla and Ryan arriving.
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This is Kayla watching Ryan
on the ride.
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What about the ride itself, Ange?
Can you see Ryan on it?
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If we could, we'd know who took him.
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None of the cameras are clear enough
to see who's on it.
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And no sign of Jimmy Burton?
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I'm sorry.
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Ryan's on the "at risk" register.
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Five months ago, one of the Nursery
staff called social services
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after spotting some bruising
on his legs.
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Kayla claims that he got it
falling off the slide in the park.
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Last visit was a week ago.
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Ryan's case worker,
Bernice Bradley's on holiday,
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so you'll have to wait
for her last report
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but the rest are in there.
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Why aren't the reports filed
immediately after a visit?
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Bernie's got 15 cases on the go.
Can be a week or two
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before a caseworker gets time
to write a report.
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How long's Ryan been on
the register?Five months.
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He had some bruising
but we think it was accidental.
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Then why's he still on the register?
His mum's on her own,
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she's vulnerable.
In what way?
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She's young, inexperienced,
no family support.
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She needed some help.
What kind of help?
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We got her some parenting classes.
She's doing really well.
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So no major concerns
over Ryan's welfare?
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With a bit more support from us
she could be a really good mum.
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Why didn't Kayla tell us about
socialservices herself?
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Gov, her focus is on
getting her kid back.
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That's gonna be the last thing
on her mind.
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Any news on Jimmy?
No sign of him.
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You've spoken to his boss?
And his work colleagues.
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Everyone thinks he's
a thoroughly decent blokes.Gov,
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if he has got Ryan, maybe we can make
him see sense to bring the boy in.
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An appeal.
Yeah.
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That way
we can get to Jimmy directly.
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We don't want to scare him off too
much, he's already gone to ground.
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Don't worry. I'll get a psychologist
to phrase the appeal
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in such a way
that if Jimmy has got Ryan,
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he'll feel compelled
to bring himin.
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If you've got my Ryan,
you need to bring him back.
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We need him home with his family.
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He needs his mum.
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Please bring my baby back.
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Ladies and gents, we're not taking
any questions at this point.
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Thank you.
If you think you've seen Ryan,
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please give us a call at the police
incident room.
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And if you've got Ryan,
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Ryan's mum...and Dad
love him very, very much,
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so just pick up the phone.
That's all you have to do.
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We need Ryan back.
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Thank you very much.
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No questions today, thank you.
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You'll have plenty of chances
when we know a a bit more.
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Was I all right?
Yeah, you were great.
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Most people find it really tough.
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But did I look OK?
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Yeah.
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Are we sure
he's not just some nutter?
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Well, Reception checked his ID,
they reckon he's legit.
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Let's find out then, shall we?
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Have you found him yet?
Jimmy Burton?Yeah.
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Take a seat.
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I came
the minute I heard theappeal.
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Please tell me he's safe.
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Please tell me you've found my son.
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This is crazy.
Why do you think I'd take him?
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Kayla said she was meant tomeet you
yesterday morning to collect Ryan.
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Today. Today I was meant to meet
him.She always gets it muddled up.
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Where were you yesterday, Jimmy? Your
boss told us you took the day off.
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I was driving up to Birmingham,
tomeet this bloke. Dan Tyler.
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Dan runsthis fathers' rights group.
He was gonna help me with my case.
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To get custody of Ryan?
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It was all right at first.
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Kayla let me take him
every time she wanted a night out.
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Every time there was a new bloke,
she wanted Ryan out the way.
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And what changed that?
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About six months ago
she stoppedreturning my calls.
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I went round her flat but she
wouldn't answer the door.
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After that, if I wanted to seeRyan
I had to meet her somewhere public.
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Like the merry-go-round?
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Cos we weren't married and shenever
put me on the birth certificate,
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I got no rights to my own kid.
Can you believe that?
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Dad's alibi checks out,
he's in the clear.
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I've been on to the dog unit.
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The only scent that they picked up
must have been Kayla Stark's
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cos they followed it to the point
where she gets into one of our cars.
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Why didn't they pick up
Ryan'sscent?
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Kayla claims she washedthe toy
the night before Ryan went missing.
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If he'd held it all morning,the
dogs would have picked up his scent.
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When my Sarah was a kid,
she had this toy rabbit.
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Went everywhere with her,
ate with her, slept with her
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she watched the telly with it. Even
if she went on a bus, or in the car,
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or on a ride, who was sat in the seat
next to her all the time? Every time?
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That rabbit.
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So why wasn't this dinosaur
toy thing on the ride with Ryan?
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It fell off and I picked it up.
Why didn't you give him back to him?
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No, I couldn't.
The ride was going round.
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And Ryan didn't mind?
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No.
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You said he was very attached
to the toy.
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A lot of kids
would have screamed the place down
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had that happened to them.
He was enjoying the ride.
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Thing is, Kayla...no one remembers
Ryan being on the ride,
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or you putting him on it,
or you paying for it.
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We've looked at all the CCTV footage
for the area
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and we can see you, Kayla,
pushing the buggy,
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but we don't see Ryan in the buggy.
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I don't understand.
Of course he's in it.
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Have you erm,
have you found his dadyet?
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Cos I've been thinking, and I reckon
you might be right -
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I reckon that Jimmy
could've taken him.
237
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Jimmy's here at the station, Kayla.
He doesn't have Ryan.
238
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He might be lying.
239
00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,320
I mean he could've took him
up to his mum's. She hates me.
240
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She'd do anything to get back at me.
241
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,360
The only scent that the dogs found
on the scene was yours.
242
00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,040
It's like Ryan was never there.
That's because I washed Dino, innit?
243
00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,080
But when the liaison officer took you
back to your flat to get your things,
244
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,360
she took a couple of pillowcases
from Ryan's bed
245
00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,480
and the dogs didn't pick his scent up
on the ride or anywhere else.
246
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,760
Well, I washed them too.
247
00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,320
Before you took Ryan out?
The night before.
248
00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880
So where did Ryan sleep?
249
00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,280
We should be out there!
Looking forhim!
250
00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,000
Could you take me, Ronnie?
251
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,160
Maybe if we go somewhere
where I went before,
252
00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,160
maybe I can remembersomething,
or find something that might help!
253
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040
We got all the data off her phone,
and downloaded all the photos.
254
00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,720
There's 60 of them.
255
00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,200
Well, she said it was full.
No, the data card holds 500.
256
00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,040
Why would she lie about that?
257
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,000
Any photographs of Ryan on there?
258
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000
Only the one she showed you.
Theother 59 are of this bloke.
259
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,440
Well, who's that? She said she didn't
have a boyfriend at the minute.
260
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,080
Could be an ex.
261
00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280
Yeah, but, I mean that is at Ryan's
birthday party last week.
262
00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,920
Surely she'd have mentioned him?
263
00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,280
We checked the internet access
on the phone.
264
00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,280
She visitedthis website
five times last week.
265
00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,080
It's a discussion thread
for illegal adoption.
266
00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,560
Oh, you're joking.
267
00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,880
She messaged a couple
of forummembers too.
268
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240
Said she's got a two-year-old boy
who she can't look after anymore.
269
00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,440
So maybe Ryan was coming between her
and lover boy.Yeah.
270
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,920
If she didn't want him anymore,
271
00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,960
why didn't she just give him back
tohis dad? He wanted custody.
272
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,320
Spite maybe.
273
00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400
I mean, Jimmy's had trouble
in the last six months
274
00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,280
getting to see Ryan, hasn't he? So...
275
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800
So she gives him away
to a completestranger?
276
00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,440
I'm sorry, doesn't make anysense.
277
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560
You've never had the pleasure of
walking down the aisle, have you?
278
00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,680
So many people
can't havekids of their own.
279
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,800
But loads of kids
get adopted legally.
280
00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,400
It takes years that, doesn't it?
281
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,200
And not every kid, by the way,
is a two-year-old cute blonde boy.
282
00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,680
So some desperate couple
skips thered tape
283
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,560
and she gets her freedom back.
284
00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,720
If she wanted to give him away maybe
she made up the abduction story
285
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,600
just to cover her tracks.
We've got to get her talking.
286
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,280
She wanted me to go out there
and help her find Ryan, so...
287
00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,400
I'd be happier
if you talked to her here.
288
00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,560
No, cos If Ron goes out
and retraces her steps,
289
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,480
we get to see the whole journey
in detail.
290
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,320
And if there was a handover,
maybesomebody saw something.
291
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,560
Well, all right. But I want you on a
wire. We've got to cover our arses.
292
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,000
You and Jimmy don't get on, then?
293
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,760
He doesn't like me having boyfriends
in case Ryan likes them too much.
294
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,520
Maybe he's scared of losing Ryan
for good.
295
00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,840
I mean, you get married,
Ryan gets a new dad.
296
00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880
I'm not getting married
until I'm atleast 25.
297
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,400
'How comes you don't have a
boyfriend? Pretty girl like you,
298
00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,640
they must be queuing up
round the block.'
299
00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,840
'Yeah, cos they really wanna be
lumbered with someone else's kid.'
300
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,000
'Do you regret having Ryan so young?'
301
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,120
Used to be all I ever wanted.
302
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,200
Be like them girls pushing prams
round the estate, all proud.
303
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,000
I remember at school
they did thistalk
304
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,520
about how hard it was to be a mum
305
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,840
and we were all just like,
whatever.
306
00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,880
They even had one of them dolls,
you know,
307
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,000
that cries when it needs changing?
Yeah.
308
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,200
Supposed to put you off having kids.
309
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,760
But it didn't put you off?
310
00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,440
When it was my turn to take it home,
311
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,080
it was proper screaming at two
o'clock in the morning -
312
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,920
I just took thebatteries out.
313
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,360
'Well, you can't do that
with a real baby.'
314
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,800
'Wish I'd had a dad like you.'
315
00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,800
'I'm not sure my daughters
would agree!'
316
00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,400
'They would if they had my dad.'
317
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,520
My eldest daughter Sarah, she's er...
318
00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,240
..she's sort of about your age.
319
00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,840
She's expecting a baby.
320
00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:15,040
You're gonna be a granddad.
321
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,760
Well, if she'll let me.
322
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,320
She's not returning my calls.
323
00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,080
Why not?
324
00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,320
Because the dad she remembers
325
00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,280
chose a bottle of whisky
over her and her sister.
326
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,400
So, where next?
327
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,040
You don't drink now, then?
Not for 2,198 days.
328
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,440
Your daughter not proud?
329
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,840
It doesn't change the past, does it?
330
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,200
And I'm not proud of that, so...
331
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,440
Bet all she wants
is a big hug from her dad.
332
00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,960
Talk to me, Kayla. Trust me.
333
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,360
(TEARFULLY)I've kind of told you
a white lie, Ronnie.
334
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,080
I have got a boyfriend.
335
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,520
We...
336
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,520
..we had a row before I come out.
337
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,640
What about?
Jimmy.
338
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,240
And he doesn't like Jimmy
seeing Ryan?
339
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,920
He doesn't like me seeing Jimmy.
340
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,160
He got me to stop the visits.
Oh.
341
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,280
And sometimes I'd let Jimmy see Ryan
in secret,
342
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,000
but...if he found out,
he'd go mental.
343
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,320
Does your boyfriend have a name?
344
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,440
'Rob.'
345
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,360
'Does Rob have a temper?'
346
00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,920
He doesn't like it when Ryan cries.
347
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,840
But kids cry. You can't stop 'em.
348
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,600
Did he ever try and stop Ryan
from crying?
349
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,520
He couldn't think straight
with allthat noise.
350
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,160
That's what he said.
351
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,880
'I left the house about 10:30,
352
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,360
come up the shops to buy fish
fingers and chips for Ryan's tea.'
353
00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,680
When I met Rob I thought that he
liked kids. He's got enough of 'em.
354
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,720
How many kids has he got?
Four.
355
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,240
He don't see 'em or nothing.
356
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,160
Must cost him a fortune
in child support.
357
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,440
No, it's all right, he's on benefit
so he don't pay or anything.
358
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,920
And where does Rob live?
We're just down there.
359
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200
Hang on a minute,
so you live in Morden Rise with Rob?
360
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,280
But I thought you lived
in Tollington View.
361
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,960
I did. But Rob wanted us
to move into his place.
362
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,960
But your name's still on
your old flat.
363
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,000
My mate lives there with her kid.
364
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840
So the pillowcases and toothbrush,
they weren't even Ryan's?
365
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,760
'I'm sorry. I lied.'
366
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240
Morden Rise.
All units to Morden Rise.
367
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,520
Sorry, babe.
I had to tell them whatyou done.
368
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,600
Stupid cow!
369
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040
Search the bedrooms. Cuff him.
370
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,960
Robert Whitely, I'm arresting you
371
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,080
on suspicion of kidnapping
Ryan Stark.
372
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,120
No, nothing.
373
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720
What have you done with Ryan, Kayla?
Where is he?
374
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,600
He's in heaven, Ronnie.
375
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,440
My baby boy is in heaven
with the angels.
376
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,880
My client has prepared a statement
which he would like to read out.
377
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,480
I left my flat at 13 Morden Rise
at five.
378
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,680
My mate, Colin Woods,
picked me up in his car
379
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,880
and we drove to Milton Keynes
where he lives.
380
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,200
We had a few drinks at his place
and then went clubbing.
381
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,160
We were drinking all night,
and didn't get to London
382
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,120
until the next day.
383
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,240
Did you go into Ryan's room
beforeyou went out?No comment.
384
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,160
You say you were drinking heavily.
385
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,120
Do you remember coming home?
No comment.
386
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,400
Do you have any memory of what you
did when you got home?No comment.
387
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,320
Did you go into Ryan's bedroom
when you got home?No comment.
388
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,520
Did you kill Ryan Stark?
I never went near her bloody kid!
389
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,120
Shut up, Rob.
390
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,920
My client has no further comments
to make.
391
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760
So, what are we talking here?
Sustained abuse or a single attack?
392
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,480
Well, there's evidence of
ongoing neglect and injuries
393
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,920
dating back six months.
394
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560
And he never came to the attention
of Social Services?
395
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,480
This is the updated file. Ryan was
subject to a Child Protection plan
396
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240
for the last five months
of his life.
397
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,200
Doesn't look like they did
a verygood job!
398
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280
They were on the back foot.
Social Services weren't aware that
399
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,400
Kayla and Ryan were living with
Whitely until after Ryan died.
400
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200
They were running a benefit scam,
claiming on two flats.
401
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720
All Social Services visits happened
at Kayla's flat.
402
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,400
So they had no idea Rob Whitely was
on the scene?Exactly.
403
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,160
What was the cause of death?
Suffocation.
404
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,880
We can't be sure how.
He had three cracked ribs
405
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,000
and there was bruising on his back.
406
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,560
And we think during the attack
407
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840
Whitely pressed his full weight down
onto Ryan.
408
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,040
The pathologist then reckoned that
had that happened on a sofa or a bed,
409
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,080
Ryan could easily have suffocated.
Were both of them abusing him?
410
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,800
Kayla knew what Whitely was up to,
that's for sure,
411
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,600
but it was definitely Whitely
that was hurting the boy.
412
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,920
He had a sovereign ring
when wearrested him.
413
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200
We matched marks from Ryan's body
to that ring.
414
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960
Initially, Kayla claimed Whitely
was abusing Ryan.
415
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,720
She changed her story?
Not exactly.
416
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,880
When we arrested them
and they got briefed up,
417
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,720
their only words were "no comment."
418
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040
But Whitely did come up with some
sort ofan alibi, didn't he?Yeah.
419
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,320
Does it check out?
420
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,320
We've got evidence of him being
in a nightclub part of the night,
421
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,880
but he easily had time enough
to get back and kill Ryan.
422
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,720
So is this child cruelty resulting
in death or is it murder?
423
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240
No, no, it is murder.
No doubt about it.
424
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,760
Kayla and Rob Whitely
haven't madeany attempt
425
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,160
to explain how or whyRyan died.
426
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,280
That's to be expected.
427
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,640
Their legal advisors have made sure
they don'tincriminate themselves.
428
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720
I can't promise
we can secure amurder conviction,
429
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,040
but I will do mybest to make sure
they both go to prison.
430
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,360
I've got journalists...
431
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,400
..banging my door down,
day and night...
432
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,520
..wanting my story.
433
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,880
All of a sudden everyone wants
tohear what I got to say.
434
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,240
For the past six months...
435
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,760
..I've been begging someone
to listen...
436
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,800
..and all I heard was
I got no right to see my own son.
437
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,360
I'm his dad.
I should've kept him safe.
438
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,640
You know murder is notoriously hard
to prove in child cruelty cases.
439
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,120
The abuse speaks for itself.
440
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,680
A jury who sees the photographs
will want to bring back hanging.
A life sentence is a soft option.
441
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,440
You think the Home Secretary
wants a big expensive trial?
442
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
What's the alternative?
443
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,520
I'm not dropping the murder charge
444
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,120
to save the Ministry of Justice
a few quid, Henry.
445
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,320
Just make sure
those two don't getbail.
446
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Kayla was removed from her family
atthe age of five
447
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000
following chronic sexual abuse
and physical violence
448
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,920
at the hands of
her alcoholicfather.
449
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Spare me the sob story.
450
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,200
I have a report here from a clinical
psychologist
451
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240
specialising in women
who collude with a partner's abuse.
452
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,200
It states that my client had
"Developed a narcissistic attitude
453
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,360
towards her son, viewing him
as an extension of herself".
454
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,840
So what are you saying?
It wasn't herfault her son died?
455
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,280
I'm saying her norms are radically
different to yours or mine.
456
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,400
She's only worthy of cruelty,
so that's how shetreats her child.
457
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640
And I can cite you women
like ShyKeenan
458
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
who endured the most horrific abuse
459
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
but came out the other side a hero
not an abuser.
460
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,800
It'sa choice.
461
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,920
Not if it affects
her fitness toplead.
462
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,800
History of abuse has no bearing
onfitness to plead.
463
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,960
She's as sane as any one of us,
andyou know it.
464
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Sane maybe, but she also has
severelearning difficulties
465
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,680
and the IQ of a 10-year-old child.
466
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,440
Well, 10 is the age of criminal
responsibility so we're good to go.
467
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,560
You really don't remember me,
do you?
468
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080
I'm sorry, should I?
469
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,640
Phone number on the bedside table
would've been nice.
470
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Defence are going to argue
if KaylaStark
471
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,280
hadn't been a victim of abuse,
none of this would've happened.
472
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840
An abusive childhood
might beconvenient mitigation
473
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280
but it isn't anexcuse for murder.
She deserves to go to prison.
474
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,160
Any jurorwill see
they deserve jail time,
475
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000
but whatthey did needs explaining.
476
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200
These are the wrong defendants
to get all touchy feely over.
477
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,520
They end up inpsych units, the Home
Secretary'll hang us all out to dry.
478
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,880
I think we need to cover ourselves
and order our own psych evaluations.
479
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,720
Because her brief found
a psychiatrist who claims
Kayla Stark has a low IQ?
480
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,440
Because we need to be one step ahead
of defence.
481
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,640
And don't you wanna know why
they killed Ryan?
482
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
If we don't ask why, who will?
483
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,640
Substitute psychology for morality
and our jobs become obsolete.
484
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Denythey had a choice,
you deny responsibility.
485
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320
So you really don't care why?
Not in this case, no.
486
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600
All I care about is convicting one
of them for the murder of a child.
487
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760
If we push for a murder trial
wecould lose.
488
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880
There isn't enough evidence to prove
which one of them killed Ryan.
489
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480
She's right. If we can't prove
which one killed the boy,
490
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,520
there's sufficient reasonable doubt
to see them both walk.
491
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,720
We could consider a manslaughter
charge,
492
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,880
try and get them to plead guilty.
493
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320
We may not get them to plead at all.
494
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Whitely and Stark's briefs
have joined forces.
495
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,120
They've applied for
a fitness to plead hearing.
496
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Sorry Mr Browning, I have no doubt
Robert Whitely is fit to plead.
497
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,200
I have some concerns, however,
regarding Kayla Stark's IQ
498
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,960
and her learning difficulties.
499
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Has she the mental ability
to follow theproceedings?
500
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000
We try 10-year-old children
for murder
501
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,720
without regardto their ability
to follow proceedings.
502
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,960
I'm not interested in debating
theage of criminal responsibility,
503
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,440
only in KaylaStark's ability to
understand whatshe's pleading to.
504
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680
The psychiatric evaluations suggest
that she doesn't, m'Lord.
505
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,960
So on the say so of two
psychiatrists who've seen her
for five minutes,
506
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,320
we go from murder to nothing
in less than an hour!
507
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,560
If she's not fit to plead,
she's not fit to plead.
508
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,720
It's not rocket science.
Which is fortunate as none of us
are rocket scientists.
509
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,240
There is also my defendant's family
history to take into consideration.
510
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Which you can introduce in trial but
bears no relevance to this hearing.
511
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,720
Indeed, Mr Thorne.
512
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,480
According to reports, she is not
suffering from mental illness.
513
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,480
So, the only issue is her IQ
and her learning difficulties.
514
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,800
She was capable of concocting
a story
515
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,480
that her child had been abducted.
516
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Low IQ or not, she is quite capable
of standing trial.
517
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,920
I'm sorry, Miss Dyer,
I'm with theCrown on this.
518
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Anyone capable of weaving
such an elaborate web of lies
519
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,600
is capable of entering a plea.
520
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280
The charges stand.
Trial will commence on Monday.
521
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,040
What do you reckon? 10 minutes
before one of them caves?
522
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,120
15 if they've got any self respect.
523
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Yvette or Gregor?
Yvette, definitely.
524
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400
I reckon Gregor secretly wants
the glory of a high profile trial.
525
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Yvette actually caresabout
her clients.Jake!
526
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,480
And she fancies you.
527
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880
We'll plead guilty to causing
orallowing the death of a child.
528
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Great news. It'll help ussecure
the murder conviction.
529
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,040
If you drop the murder charge.
530
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,080
Even if she pleads
to the lowercharge,
531
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,600
she could still end up in prison
for life.So we all rest easy.
532
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,320
Except for Ryan's dad.
Oh, come on, Jake.
533
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,960
Accept the pleaand we'll give you
Whitely gift wrapped.
534
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,440
Kayla will turn QE?
535
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400
She'll give you every last detail
you need to crucify Whitely
536
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,400
and put him away for murder.
537
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Ronnie.
538
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,680
I've heard you've accepted a plea
from Kayla Stark.
539
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,880
She pleaded guilty to causing
orallowing the death of a child.
540
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Shewas sentenced this morning,
five year tariff.
541
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840
We charged her with murder
on joint enterprise.
542
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,360
We've got no evidence to prove
which one killed Ryan.
543
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880
We put them both in that dock,
544
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,600
their briefs'll cryreasonable doubt
and they can walk.
545
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,960
I know why you did it, but
it's just a matter of time
546
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,280
before Whitely's brief comes knocking
at your door for the same deal.
547
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,960
If you accept Whitely's plea,
they could both be out in five years.
548
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Please, please tell me you think more
of that little boy's life than that.
549
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600
You've been a copper long enough
toknow how the law works, Ronnie.
550
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Long enough to hope
551
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680
that if I charge someone with murder,
they will be tried for murder.
552
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Ronnie,
553
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,160
you have my word,
554
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,960
with Kayla's evidence,
I can try Whitelywith murder
555
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,360
and send him to prison for life.
556
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Did my client, Robert Whitely,
557
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,280
ever confess to killing Ryan Stark?
558
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,120
No.
559
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,000
So all you have is his ex-girlfriend
Kayla Stark's claim that he did?
560
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Well, she was very clear about
who killed her son.
561
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640
These claims Kayla made
562
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320
were offeredup during a little walk
you took together?
563
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Yes they were, but we went out
together to retrace her steps.
564
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Ah. I thought you took her out
565
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,160
to ask her personal, probing
questions about her love life.
566
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600
I was trying to find out if Ryan
was at risk from someone else.
567
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,280
And did you tell her she was pretty?
568
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,000
My learned friend is deviating
into fantasy land, m'Lord.
569
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,120
His insinuation DS Brooks, an
officer with an impeccable record,
570
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,920
had some ulterior motive
is beyond ridiculous.
571
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Withdrawn, m'Lord.
572
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Let me ask you one more time,
DS Brooks,
573
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,240
so we are completely clear,
574
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440
during the course of
the police interviews,
575
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,640
did Robert Whitely at any time
576
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720
say he was responsible
for Ryan's death?
577
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800
No.
No further questions, m'Lord.
578
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Re-examination, m'Lord.
579
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Am I right in assuming
580
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,960
that other than a brief statement
setting out his alibi,
581
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
the defendant said nothing more than
"no comment"
582
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,240
while he was in police custody?
Apart from one abusive remark, yes.
583
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,680
And am I also right in assuming
584
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360
when you went out with Kayla Stark
on this search for Ryan,
585
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560
you were underthe assumption that
Ryan had been illegally adopted?
586
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Evidence suggested that Kayla had
given Ryan away.
587
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800
So we thought by retracing her steps,
we could find some new witnesses.
588
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,760
So the only reason you took
thisunorthodox approach
589
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,680
was because you believed there was
a slim chance of finding Ryan alive,
590
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,480
and you mightrescue him?
591
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Well, we had hoped that
that was the case, yes.
592
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,760
Thank you, Detective Sergeant,
you've been most helpful.
593
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
Did Whitely attack Ryan
the night he died?
594
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280
I was in bed...and Ryan was crying.
595
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Rob went into Ryan's room.
596
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,560
I heard him shouting.
597
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,840
I heard Ryan - he was crying
and then he stopped.
598
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,160
When I went to get Ryan up
in the morning,
599
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
I knew he was dead.
600
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,720
I was scared. Jimmy wassupposed to
see him the next day. I panicked.
601
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,160
And pretended Ryan
had been abducted?
602
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,240
Yeah.
603
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,280
So there is no doubt in your mind
604
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,160
that your son was alive when Robert
Whitely entered his room that night
605
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,320
and dead when he left it?
606
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,280
No doubt at all.
607
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,680
You pleaded guilty to
"causing orallowing" Ryan's death.
608
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680
Did anyone else allow Ryan's death?
609
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920
Did anyone else know about
Ryan'sinjuries?
610
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,240
His social worker, Bernie Bradley,
she knew.
611
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Is my learned friend simply
hurlingmud left, right and centre
612
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,520
and seeing where it lands,
613
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,880
or does this bear anyrelevance to
the question of his client's guilt?
614
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,880
Make your point, Mr Browning.
615
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,320
There were 23 separate visits
or meetings with social workers
616
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,360
who came into your home andasked
you questions about Ryan's injuries?
617
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Yeah.So how is it possible that
Ryancontinued to suffer abuse?
618
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560
I covered it up.
To protect your boyfriend?
619
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,800
No to protect Ryan.
620
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,800
I grew up in care.
I know what them places are like.
621
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,240
I was afraid they'd
take himaway from me.
622
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,760
And these social workers,
they believed your lies?
623
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,960
I dunno. They wanted to get out of
my house as quick as they could.
624
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
ThatBernie Bradley woman
said my flat smelled.
625
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,240
She didn't want to conduct
furthervisits to a child
626
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:23,240
with inexplicablerepeated serious
injuries because your flat smelled?!
627
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,200
That's right.And did she come on
a visit the week before Ryan died?
628
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,320
And how long
did Bernie Bradley stay?She didn't.
629
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,280
She was on the doorstep
a minute or so.
630
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Did she see Ryan?
He was asleep.
631
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960
So a week before Ryan's death,
632
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,160
this senior social worker,
responsible for Ryan's welfare,
633
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,440
conducted this final visit
634
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,360
and then walked away
without even seeing him?!
635
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Yeah.
636
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120
No further questions my Lord.
637
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:03,080
Gregor did a good job of making
Ryan's social worker sound culpable.
638
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Yeah, maybe she had a role
in Ryan'sdeath
639
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
but you can't lay the blame
on a bureaucratic system.
640
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Even if they failed
to protect achild?
641
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Social Services have already sacked
Bernice Bradley
642
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,720
to save their own skins.Gregor's
turning this into a witch hunt.
643
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,960
If he causes enough confusion,
the jury won't know who to blame.
644
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Aren't you the one responsible for
Ryan Stark's death?
645
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,880
I mean, you're the social worker
who saw him 23 times
646
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,400
and between your visits
he was battered senseless.
647
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Kayla Stark hid what was going on.
She lied about where she was living.
648
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,800
Wasn't it your job
to dig a little deeper?
649
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,240
A week before he died,
I sent Ryan'scase for review
650
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,160
so care proceedings could be
considered.It's not in the file.
651
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,800
There was an administrative error
inthe department.
652
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
My written request
was misfiled by a temp.
653
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,280
Are you telling this court
the life of an abused child
was in the hands of a temp?
654
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Our department was already short
staffed before our funding was cut.
655
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360
You were there, were you not?
You didn't notice Ryan's case
656
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,720
hadn't come up for review?
657
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,960
I thought about that little boy
allthe time.
658
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,200
And yet you didn't help him.
I went there the night hedied!
659
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,400
There's no record of any visit
that night.It was out of hours.
660
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,160
I turned up at the address
on the file and she wasn't there.
661
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,800
Her old neighbour told me
where she was now living,
662
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,240
I went round there and I told her
I was issuing care proceedings.
663
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,080
Are you 100 per cent certain
664
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,080
this impromptu doorstep visit
tookplace
665
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,200
the night Ryan died
and not theweek before?
666
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,120
100 hundred percent.
It was my birthday
667
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,280
and I spent it writing areport
stating she was living at Whitely's.
668
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
I posted it through the office door
at 5am
669
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,840
before I got my flight to Spain.
And it never went into the file?
670
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,800
It was added to the request
to issuecare proceedings.
671
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,440
Which got misfiled.
672
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,520
By the time it was found,
I'd beensummarily dismissed.
673
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,360
I did everything in my power
to protect that little boy.
674
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,120
You have to believe me.
675
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Thanks a lot, Bernie.
676
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400
Kayla lied about the last visit.
677
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,000
She said in court that Bernie came
round the week before Ryan died.
678
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Which she did. The last official
visit at Kayla's old flat
679
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,760
was the week before Ryan's death.
680
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,120
But the doorstep visit
was atWhitely's flat
681
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,400
and happened the night Ryan died.
682
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,880
You'd remember if your social worker
came round the night your kid died.
683
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960
So, what else
has she been lyingabout?
684
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Ronnie? It's Jacob Thorne.
685
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,280
Whatexactly did you say to Kayla
Stark to get her to open up to you?
686
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680
The night Bernie Bradley came round
687
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,360
and you spoke to her
on your doorstep, was Rob there?
688
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,120
He was out clubbing. We'd had a row.
689
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,000
He didn't come back
till the next day.
690
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,680
So the visit took place at Rob
Whitely's flat?
691
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Not your old flat,like all
the other Social Services visits?
692
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,560
Yeah. Well, she'd found out
I wasliving there, hadn't she?
693
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,760
Somebusybody mouthing off.
694
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,360
What time did he go out
and what time did he return?
695
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,920
He went out about eight.
Got back the next morning about 10,
696
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,360
just before Iwent out.
697
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Where did you go?
698
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,760
Where did you go?
I don't remember.
699
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040
You went to the corner shop,
didn'tyou? You bought fish fingers.
700
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Youwent to the park, then you went
to the merry-go-round in Bermondsey.
701
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
No, I didn't. Not that day.
Then you raised the alarm
702
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,520
that your son was missing,
703
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,480
claiming that he'd been snatched
from the merry-go-round.
704
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,320
Isn't that the case?
You've got it wrong.
705
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Bernice Bradley has told this court
she went round to Whitely's flat
706
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,480
andtold you she was issuing care
proceedings on the night Ryan died.
707
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,600
She remembers quite distinctly
because it was her birthday.
708
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,960
You told the court that Rob was out
the night Bernie made her visit
709
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,560
which tallieswith his alibi that
he was clubbing in Milton Keynes.
710
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,440
According to the pathology report,
Ryan died between 10pm and 6am.
711
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,000
If Robert Whitely wasn't at home
during these hours,
712
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680
how did Ryan die?
713
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,280
He went in his room
before he wentout. I wasn't lying.
714
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,280
No, you weren't lying, Kayla,
715
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,080
but you weren't telling us
the whole trutheither, were you?
716
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,840
You told this court you went into
Ryan's room at 8 the next morning
717
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,360
to get him up, but you went in
beforethat, didn't you?
718
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,760
He was in so much pain.
719
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,240
You suffered extensive abuse
720
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,720
at thehands of your own father,
didn't you, Kayla?
721
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,880
It must have been heartbreaking,
seeing Ryan suffer like you did?
722
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,200
I had to make it stop.
Of course you did.
723
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,960
That's what mums do, isn't it?
724
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,720
Try and take away their child's
suffering. What did you do?
725
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Talk to me, Kayla.
726
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Trust me.
727
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920
They were gonna take him into care.
728
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
I...
729
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,360
I got a pillow...
730
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880
..and I put it on his face...
731
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,040
..till he stopped moving.
732
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,840
I...Ijust wanted him to be safe.
733
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,720
I'm sorry.
734
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:55,440
Jimmy, Jimmy... I'm so sorry.
735
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,280
Kayla's pleading guilty
to the murder charge.
736
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
She knows she'll go to prison?
737
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,840
She incriminated herself in open
court. She's hardly got options.
738
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,720
Henry will be thrilled you'vesaved
the MOJ the cost of another trial.
739
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,240
And they can sentence her
along withWhitely,
740
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200
so, two for the price ofone.
741
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,840
And you don't have to spar with me
across the court room
742
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,800
for the next few weeks. Result.
743
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,920
Blue tulip...
744
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,480
left shoulder blade.
745
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Some things I don't forget.
746
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Kayla Stark,
you have pleaded guilty to murder.
747
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,520
I have no other option than to
sentence you to life in prison
748
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,920
for the minimum term of 20 years.
749
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,000
Robert Whitely, you have been found
guilty of causing or allowing
750
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,600
the death of a child.
751
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080
It is my belief you played a major
role in the death of that child
752
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,640
andhad he not been moved into your
home, he would still be alive now.
753
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,400
I therefore sentence you
754
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,680
to a term of imprisonment
for public protection
755
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,040
with a minimum term of eight years.
Take them down.
756
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,440
Jake!
757
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Thank you.
758
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,320
We did the right thing.
759
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Yeah, we did.
760
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Do you fancy a pint?
761
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,040
I can't tonight. Er...
762
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,240
Actually, I've got plans.
I'm seeing my daughter.
763
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,240
Another time. Yeah?
764
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000
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