All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S06E04.He.Didnt.Know.I.Was.There.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-BurCyg_track3_[eng]

REPORTER:
A runner is gunned down

out of nowhere today on
the road near Wells Lake.

In custody is one man,
24-year-old John Suleski.

MAN: There's a thing
inside of me, it's like...

the appetite --
it's like a wolf that's...

feeling...the hunger.

Going into the interview,
the detectives

might have been wondering,
given the way that

Brett Morrison was killed,
was this a personal vendetta?

Was this some revenge

that he was trying to get
against this specific target?

Or was it just completely
at random?

If so, what's the reason
for that?

SAHNI: The victim
was Brent Morrison,

a 44-year-old professional --
he was an avid runner.

What his wife
confirms is that Suleski doesn't

really have any friends
or a social routine in town,

and so that helps detectives to
realize that there really is

even less of a nexus to
the victim, and it appears that

this may have been a crime of
a complete stranger.

RAGHAVAN:
The marriage is failing.

His wife doesn't know
what's going on with him.

He's very introverted --
it sounds like

this is not a connected
relationship, and that he's

critical of his wife's
appearance, and that he is very

focused on his own appearance.

She says he's at
the gym all the time,

and he's commenting
about her being fat -- speaks to

some perspective that maybe
this is where we begin to see

some of the narcissism
in Suleski,

that he has an idea of
what people should be,

and that most people don't
live up to that standard.

Why would you kill someone
you didn't know,

and why would you kill him
so cold bloodedly?

And one possibility that comes
to mind is this is a man who is

completely repressed,
he is sort of tightly coiled up,

and he doesn't express himself.

SAHNI:
She's just overwhelmed by

the whole situation,
but her reaction is also still,

at the same time, somewhat
deflated and restrained.

And that restrained reaction
makes me wonder

if there is more going on.

She's had concerns but
dismissed them, and now, when

you look at those concerns
overlaid on this crime, she has

some things
she's starting to put together.

Ultimately,
for any spouse,

this would be
a nightmare situation.

Suleski's ability to stay calm
and to stay in control

of his narrative is
somewhat striking.

He knows
he's committed this crime.

He knows he's given authorities
permission to search

his vehicle,
and they found the firearm.

He seems to just be

going about business as usual,
he wants to preserve the story

that he's telling authorities,
and that quality is more

consistent with what we see in
psychopathic individuals.

There's a shallowness to
their affect or emotion.

There's a lack of willingness
to take responsibility

for what they've done.

There's generally a cool
and calm about how they handle

stress, and it's their own
narcissism to some degree.

They believe and confidently
feel they can pull this off.

He's on a sinking ship
and he, you know, he doesn't

really know how to create
a good story, so he comes up

with a terrible story --
he's trying to figure out how to

get out of this mess.

TUSSEY: So yes,
they've searched his car,

they found the bullets, and
the best story that he can come

up with is that he was trying
to shoot a squirrel.

Maybe he thinks he's so smart,

and these detectives
are so dumb,

they couldn't possibly put
two and two together.

That sort of grandiosity
is also a trait of psychopathy.

They manipulate,
they lie,

and they do what they need to,
to get out of

the responsibility of whatever
it is that they've done.

What's interesting is Suleski's
body language

shifts at this point
in the interview, and now,

he starts nodding in agreement
with the detective in

the affirmative, as in
the detective is saying,

"I don't believe this BS story,"
and he's nodding, "Yes."

In other words,
"I agree with you. This is BS."

TUSSEY: The detective said,
"You have

a chance to take the floor now."
He's feeding into Suleski's

narcissism
and grandiosity, basically,

and saying, "Here you lead."

It's like the detectives are
baiting him, and he's taking it.

Once he has taken the stage,
he literally takes the stage.

He pours on the theatrics,
so now we see these shallow

tears, we see him acting like
he's overcome with emotion at

certain parts of this, that
he can't even tell the story.

Individuals with psychopathy
tend to have a callousness

and a shallow affect,

meaning they know what
to say or how to act,

but it's not
necessarily genuine.

He's saying what he thinks
they want to hear.

He's acting upset --
It's unclear

if he's even upset that
an innocent man was shot,

or if he's really just upset
that he's caught,

and everything leans
toward the latter.

Ultimately, it just doesn't
hold true that this is someone

who would switch from being
suicidal to suddenly homicidal.

We see this in the field often,
that somebody, in order to

either gain sympathy from
the people who are interrogating

them or to start to lay
the foundation for some kind of

an insanity defense, might make
a claim of suicidal ideation

or an attempt to kill themselves
when, in fact, they were not

attempting to kill themselves at
all -- it's nothing other than

another tactic of manipulation,
and it's just one of the tools

they use in that toolbox.

We start to see
the callousness

with which Suleski
engaged in this crime.

He's talking about the victim's
reaction after being hit

the first time with this firearm
and this bullet, and it almost

seems like Suleski's offended
by the fact that the victim

didn't give him a more
spectacular reaction, that all

he did was say, "Ow," as if
it was a bee or a bug bite.

SAHNI: Suleski shot
the victim nine times.

It's such a level of excess
violence that he was getting

a thrill out of what he did --
there was no reason to continue

to shoot this innocent
individual who never fought

back, didn't even see
his perpetrator coming.

You have to just think
that not only was he

on an adrenaline high
and just kept going,

but he wanted to be absolutely
certain he hit his target.

TUSSEY: He's losing control
of his finances.

He's losing control
of his marriage,

and rather than
react in a way a healthy

individual might, by taking
steps to improve those

problems, he decides to go to
the extreme, and he reacts in

rage toward an innocent victim.

SAHNI: Suleski's decision
to shoot and kill

the victim speaks to how he
sees people -- they're objects,

they're replaceable,
they're substitutable.

It's no different than a person
choosing to line up soda cans

or beer cans on a wall
and engage in target practice.

That's what he wanted in that
moment, and that's what

he decided to give himself.

[sobbing]

TUSSEY: He shot this man,
and now he's claiming,

very theatrically so,
by the way,

that he wanted to help
him with a first aid kit.

It just doesn't mesh together --
using what he knows to try to

manipulate the detectives
even more.

He knows he should be
upset by this.

That's the right response,
to be crying and to

say you wanted to help someone.

[quietly sobbing]

It feels like
there's an internal conflict.

He's been thinking
of hurting someone,

because he's so angry
at himself and the world,

both of these things kind of
meshing with each other,

and he snaps, and so there's
a suspension at the moment of

the feelings that make us
human, that make us be angry

but not kill, that make us,
you know, understand what

the taking of a life is,
and so in that moment,

the suspension of these feelings
led him to act in ways that

were really psychopathic.

[sobbing]

It's possible he is trying
to rein himself back in

from the theatrical show that

he just put on, and he's trying
to calm himself back down.

It looks as if he's looking up
at the camera at one point --

intentionally and thinking,
I'm gonna look a certain way.

I'm gonna present myself
a certain way here while

the cameras are rolling and no
one else is in here, and maybe

this will be helpful later on
down the line.

How many times do we all
wake up every single day,

we go about our normal routine,

and we have no thought that
we're not coming home that day?

You're just out there
running on a Saturday morning,

probably before you do laundry,
you go get your groceries,

you meet friends for lunch
or dinner.

That is what
the victim's life was.

And that morning,
he never made it home.

You don't see it coming --
we don't expect to run into

a John Suleski.