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[man] The thing inside of me
is like the appetite.

It's like a wolf
that's feeling the hunger.

[reporter] A missing person
report

for Father Rene Robert
was filed on Tuesday.

Friends said when Father Rene

stopped updating
his social media,

they knew something
must be wrong.

[Dr. Nameeta Sahni]
Murray is referring to himself

as someone who is

notorious and synonymous
with a terrorist,

and that level
of self-importance

that he's placing
on his value is revealing.

It gives us some indication
into his narcissism,

as well as his willingness,
maybe, to harm others.

[Dr. N.G. Berrill] His crying
is really all about him,

and how he messed up
the crime scene,

and how he's done,
because of what he did.

You don't hear anything

about compassion or empathy
for his victim.

He's crying about
his circumstance, you know,

wants to be consoled
in some way.

[reporter] After a tip
was called in

from someone who spotted
Father Rene's car

near Aiken, South Carolina,

U.S. Marshals were able
to locate Murray.

He then led authorities
on a high-speed chase

that ended with a car
crashing into a tree.

He threatened to kill
as many cops as he could, and you know,

and you're out there
in the middle of the woods,

and you got a guy in there
with rifles and scopes.

Despite claims that he wanted
to go out, death by cop,

suicide by cop,
he created barriers

to them being able
to catch him.

He stole the victim's car,

he crashed it into a tree,

lured the police officers
into the woods,

and ultimately, what I suspect
was going on with Murray

is he was enjoying the thrill
of getting them running.

[Berrill] It's manipulative,

and he feels
sorry for himself,

and he feels bad
for his circumstance,

so he's telling them something
which is kind of wacky,

you know, "to shoot me,
let's get this over with."

There's something foolish
about the idea

that the police
are gonna be sympathetic

to a guy that, you know,

in cold blood
murders a priest.

[Sahni] Where we see

some of Murray's psychopathy
manifest is

in some of the grandiosity
in how he's handling

this interview
with the detectives.

Murray has
that kind of willingness

to play cat and mouse,
to manipulate authorities,

and a total lack
of appreciation

for the seriousness
of what's going on here.

He is getting
his high off of this.

He is enjoying
the power and control,

and the fact that he can

absolutely control
the narrative.

[Berrill] This guy,
in essence, is a parasite.

He doesn't know how to have

real relationships
with people.

He doesn't know
how to be empathic,

or to show
genuine appreciation,

so as long as
you're feeding him,

he's a happy guy.

You know, he's getting
what he needs.

But if circumstances change,
and need be,

you know,
he'll pull the trigger.

Father Rene provided him care,
he provided him comfort,

he provided him money,

but either way,
the irony is that

this individual
who treated him

with such kindness

he still was able to treat
as an object,

and dispose of him.

He no longer had a purpose.

For most psychopaths,

relationships are
entirely transactional.

They have to be getting
something out of it.

They have to be gaming
the other person.

They have to be acquiring
something.

It could be sex, money,

whatever the resources are.

[Sahni] Murray believes
he's a smarter criminal,

and if he just continues
to deny, deny, deny,

without a body,
what are they gonna do?

How are they gonna charge him?

And even the detectives,
truth be told,

do realize that
without a confession,

and without a body,
they are going to have

a difficult time
arresting him.

[Sahni] We see
pathological lying

in this interrogation

all over the place.

He continues to look at
these detectives so sincerely,

and they're talking
about life,

and he's just trying to be
so cooperative and congenial,

and he continues to play dumb.
"I have no idea

where this person is.
If I could tell you, I would."

And he doesn't even
blink an eye.

His eye contact,
his affect seems

very credible and very stable
and consistent,

and yet, it's all a lie.

[Sahni] When
a female detective walks in

to the interrogation,

Murray's affect, his demeanor,
his body language,

everything shifts,
and it becomes brighter.

He sits back.

You see a level of confidence
in how he's interacting

with this female detective,

and he's starting
to flirt with her.

Murray's using
what we think of

with psychopathic behavior
as superficial charm,

and this is absolutely
a marker of psychopathy.

[Sahni] Murray
isn't acknowledging her

or addressing her
with the same distance

that he does
the male detectives.

It's possible he doesn't
actually even see her

as an authority figure
or law enforcement.

He just sees her
as a potential female

who he can victimize.

He's actually trying
to put her in her place.

He's trying to overtake her,
and victimize her,

and humiliate her

by calling her out
on how attractive she is.

[Berrill] He's pouring
it on thick

because he wants the officers
to see him as a sick person,

and he's taking, almost,

like a passive victim role
himself.

[clears throat]

[Sahni] He's coming down off
the power and control dynamic.

What's going to happen
from here on out is

at the hands
of law enforcement,

and their discretion,
and their procedures.

What we do see is
a very deflated, flat person

who no longer is congenial.

He's no longer showing

grandiosity,
and arrogance, and an ego,

yet,
there's no humility, either.

This isn't somebody
who looks broken

because he realizes that
he has remorse and empathy

for what he's done
to this human being.

[Sahni] Murray is admitting
that he lied to Father Rene.

He essentially lured him in
to gain access to his car.

He's sharing some information
with detectives

about his willingness to lie,
even to a priest.

Maybe he didn't want
to be viewed by the priest

as someone who's engaging
in criminal behavior.

By putting him in the trunk,

the priest wouldn't see him
doing naughty things.

He also may get a high

that is just a simple
power and control high from

overpowering
another human being,

which we see in this crime
against the priest.

[Sahni] This dynamic
between them,

the way he describes it

is very much
like a parent and a child.

"You're going to be
in a great deal of trouble."

[Berrill] He puts one
in his chest.

That means
he was facing him directly.

And then, one in his head.

He shot him directly,
eye to eye,

which is really chilling.

So, the priest saw it coming.

I mean,
it's really, miserably cruel.

It really reveals

how vicious a guy
this person is.

[Det 1] Okay.

At this point, we see Murray
somewhat regressed

in this interview,
because now,

he addresses the detective
"No, sir."

He starts talking like a child
would address an adult.

[Det 1] Right.

Murray describes emotions
that he experienced by saying

he cried and cried and cried,
for days on end,

but what is
important to observe

is there's no actual emotion
when he says that,

so they're words.

They're words on paper,

and the narrative,
if you follow that path down,

is to how he screwed up
his own life,

not a sadness, or a remorse,
or a regret for the fact

that he took
a human being's life,

and much less,
a religious figure,

and somebody who had been
like a father to him.

[reporter] You said
you're sorry, Mr. Murray.

Is there anything else
you have to say?

I'm very sorry.

If anybody really loves
Father Rene,

they'll forgive me,
because he was a man of God,

and forgiveness
is forgiveness.