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MAN: The thing
inside of me, it's like...

the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's...

feeling...the hunger.

Everyone is wondering
what's happened.

Of course, it's a small town,
and, you know,

you just don't think things
like this are gonna happen here,

and everyone's just concerned,

and our hearts go out
for the families.

MAN: Family members mill about
as sheriff's deputies,

the Division of Criminal
Investigation,

and Altoona Rescue crew,

and then Des Moines
Crime Scene Mobile Command

descend on
the farmstead -- tonight,

hope for a break in the case.

Investigators want to find
a red 1995 Chevy Tahoe.

The sheriff's office believes
a man

named Russell Overlin is
driving this truck.

The big question tonight --
could Russell Overlin explain

what led investigators
to spend

much of the night
digging in the elderly

couple's backyard.

Overlin's history is
consistent with

somebody who is displaying
a parasitic lifestyle.

He hasn't been able to hold
down jobs consistently.

He has not only employment
instability because of

his work performance,
but because interpersonally,

he doesn't seem mature enough
to realize

how you handle
interactions with bosses.

He's in his fifties,
living on his parents' property,

in a trailer that they own.

[Overlin sighs]

The reaction of,
"Really?" is not a normal

reaction to finding out
your parents are dead.

Even if he maintained
he didn't kill them

or tried to pretend
that he didn't,

that reaction is just --
it's incredibly telling.

The detective knows what's
going on, just from that.

MORGAN:
He's sitting back in his chair, almost twiddling his thumbs.

Then he asks the question,

"So you found them,"
or "You found the bodies."

So then he turns around
to poking to see

how much do they know --
someone with psychopathy,

they like to control
the situation.

They want to slowly dispense
the information they have,

because it will all be
about them.

He's gonna make them work.

There's no remorse
in what he describes.

It's -- it's as if
he's just giving

the facts of it happened
this way,

almost if you were narrating
what was on a video.

It's sort of this commentary
on his own actions

that's really indifferent
and detached.

Overlin's description of
a fairly gruesome crime

and the amount of effort

that it took for him
to kill his stepmother

and his father is, again,
just very matter-of-fact.

He's not fazed by the fact
that he was violently involved

in any kind of interaction
with them.

But the fact that he returned
to his stepmother

and then beat her
the number of times

that he did suggests
that, in that moment,

he lost control, and the only
emotions he was in touch

with were his anger
and rage towards her.

I think a lot
of his odd attempts

at humor are much more
for his own enjoyment,

kind of in-jokes with himself
and less for the detectives.

His "ladies first"
with a little bit

of emotion, kind of
a chuckle almost.

That's --
that's concerning -- it's --

it's callous --
when we see emotion, it's dark.

The statement that
his stepmother wrote like

a serial killer
is another demonstration

of a really glib attitude --
on the one hand,

glorifying his actions, and on
the other hand, he's really

reducing his stepmother's
reputation and her existence

down to something that
justifies his behavior.

He's complaining
that she's saying that it's

making the place smell
like an outhouse,

or the simple fact
to ask him

to take shoes off
coming into the house.

This is enraging to him.

We think that those kinds of
things reflect a very,

very fragile ego on
the person's part.

They feel insulted
very easily, because he thinks

what he's doing
is just fine.

He owns the phrase,
"I'm a bum."

There's some kind of
self-loathing there,

that he's in the circumstances
he's in.

I'm wondering how much that
financial reality is

what kind of catalyzed it
happening when it happened,

because suddenly,
he couldn't just cruise

maybe the way he had.

SAHNI: Overlin's planning is
somewhat half-baked.

He doesn't really think
through the logistics of

how he's going
to live on the run.

He spends four years
lying in wait

in his head, trying to
plot out the perfect way to get

rid of them, but even there,
you hear this lack of effort.

He didn't want to have to
struggle to do it.

And then ultimately, he decides
on a Sunday, while they're

at church, that that's the day
he's going to do it.

And he lays in wait
for them to

come home, and then bludgeons
them both to death.

SAHNI: Lizzie Borden is
a well-known case of a woman

who, in the 1890s, killed her
own father and stepmother

and stood trial for that.

And the fact that Overlin
chooses to draw that parallel,

I think,
speaks to his own ego.

He's proud of what he's done.

This is somewhat
self aggrandizing.

He's making himself important.

He's making himself elevated
in terms of his status.

The idea of being thrown
into a well

while you're still alive,

you know, horror movies are
made on the topic.

It's something that most
people have

a very strong emotional
reaction to.

He's talking about
how much joy he took from it.

That's -- that's some
impressive sadism.

When he's talking
about suicide,

um, I don't think he's
describing so much depression,

but he's describing feeling
rejected from the entire world

and not having a place in it.

He's probably spent a lot of
his life feeling horrible, um,

horrible and judged and not
appreciated and entitled

and not getting attention
or acknowledgement.

Him telling police that they
look sadder than he does

I think actually shows
some insight.

It shows a little bit of
awareness and willingness

to say,
"Yeah, I'm not motivated

"by the same things
most people are.

"I thought I'd be dead by now.

I'm still here,"
and he doesn't really

want to continue to live.

He doesn't get anything out of
this life -- instead of getting

busy living,
he's waiting to die.

He is the center
of attention, and for him,

that's got to be satisfying,
because this might be the most

notoriety and meaning
and attention

he's gotten from
other people.

When we say that psychopaths
are narcissistic and that

everything has to be
about them, what they're doing

and focusing on
is trying to prove to themselves

and other people
that they matter,

that they're powerful,
that they're important.