All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S05E07.Im.Gonna.Recycle.a.Snitch.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-BurCyg_track3_[eng]

- MAN: You murdered this man?
- Yes.

- You tortured him.
- Of course.

If you had that moment
to live over again...

I'd have kept him alive
a week.

But you would have still
tortured him

- and killed him.
- Oh, I'd have tortured him

for a week, yeah, instead of
three days, definitely.

You believe him? Do you think
he really was a snitch?

Oops if he wasn't.

MAN: Are you remorseful?

- Not at all.
- Why?

Why would I be?

What's the difference?

Everybody has a reason
to kill.

The thing inside of me,
it's like

the appetite --
it's like a wolf that's...

feeling the hunger.

WOMAN:
Around five a.m.,

Phoenix firefighters
responded to a fire on

the church's property --
while putting it out,

they noticed a badly charred
body in a container.

Detectives now say the victim
was a white man, 46 years old.

There's a level
of violence and sadism

to the crime,
and the level of overkill,

the level of torture, that this
victim likely experienced tells

us this is somebody
we're dealing with

who doesn't have any regard
for human life.

This is likely somebody
who either had

a level of rage or vendetta
against the victim.

He used a wheelchair to get
around -- whoever killed him

knew that he was vulnerable,

which made him an easier
target, and also likely made it

easier for them to overcome him
and overpower him.

MORGAN: She's trying to do
image management.

She's gonna
look really cold,

like hardened person
who can kill people.

So she is concerned with how
she's gonna be viewed.

There's a narcissistic element
to psychopathy, and there's

the control element,

to be in charge, and she's
doing both of those things.

DERIGHT: Simpson is confessing
to a brutal murder, and it's as

if she couldn't be bothered
with anything in the world.

She's sitting there having
a snack,

taking a sip of her soda,
as she's admitting to it.

She has a very flat affect.

She's not showing
changes in the tone

of her voice
or her facial expressions.

She's saying it
as if she's telling

you what she ate
for breakfast that day.

SAHNI: That ability to change
who they are, to change how they

approach you, how they present,
how they look.

That chameleon skill is very
much a marker

of the type of psychopath
that navigates

different environments.

They're able to lure
victims in

by studying them,
learning what it is

that's gonna be the hook
for that individual.

She likely would have been
more flirtatious, more cunning,

which is what allowed him
to trust her and go with her.

And that is not likely
the person

we're seeing in any of
these interviews.

SAHNI: There's no evidence
that the victim

ever was an informant.

Simpson sees herself as some
kind of a vigilante.

It's her job to decide
who lives and who dies.

She is firmly convinced
that her view is

the reality
and justifies her action.

With psychopaths, once they've
made up their minds,

there's this
narcissistic approach.

Like I know it all,
I know what I'm doing.

I don't second guess myself,
because I'm right.

They've decided they know
what they're doing.

So she was a little more
impulsive in that way.

Simpson seems
to think of herself as

on a different level
than other people,

such that she believes
this person

is so wrong
for being a snitch,

she acted on something
that she had little basis

for knowing.

She thought this person
was a snitch.

It didn't end up
being true.

She still has no remorse
for it, and she

was so extreme in what
she did to this person.

Simpson gets a high
off these interviews.

She gets to recount
the crime.

She gets to remember the most
sensational aspects of

the crime -- by putting
a mirror in front of him

and showing him how badly
beaten he is,

it's deflating to the victim --
victims start to, at some point,

give up hope,

and when an individual is
sadistic, and they need that

high, it banks on
the victim fighting,

resisting,
showing force and fear.

SAHNI:
She's referencing a song,

"Show Me How to Live"
by Audioslave.

Her decision to throw
this idea out there

that she was following
the lyrics of a song

I think is just
an impulsive response

to the investigator.

She then clarifies
that's not actually the lyric,

it should have been the hand
instead of the head.

This has absolutely nothing
to do with the crime.

She did impale a three-inch
nail into the victim's head,

and I think that was
a plain and simple decision

to turn the temperature up
on the amount of torture

she subjected the victim to.

People with psychopathic
traits are apt to target people

that are weaker or vulnerable,
because they're easy

to overtake.

They have a strong sense of
knowing when someone is going

to be an easier target,
and they will prey on them.

It's likely that she thought
that, because of his disability,

he was someone that she could
more easily overpower

and kill, basically.

She -- she wanted to be able
to have someone who

she'd be able to take out
without a lot of effort.

SAHNI:
He was physically disabled.

Her decision to dismember him
and cut into even where he had

had knee surgery
really just speaks to

this was a science experiment
for her.

This was really no different
than how a high school student

might dissect
an eyeball of an animal,

a cat, a frog.

This is someone who did not
see this as a human being.

This was just
for her own stimulation

and benefit and her own
curiosity, really.

Simpson's description of
the victim and his limbs,

as if it's
a chicken carcass being

cut up for a roast and for
dinner, really speaks to just

how much she dehumanized
her victim,

how her relationship with people
is 100 percent instrumental.

It was about getting high --
she took that opportunity to

celebrate her kill, and she was
proud of what she did.

There's absolutely
no doubt about that.

You see that pride in how she
recounts what she's done to him.

MORGAN: She gets annoyed
when they're asking --

when she has to explain,

did she clean the walls,
did she get rid of the carpet?

And she sees
all that as irrelevant.

That's tedious.
Those are trivial.

Those are
non-important to her.

This is the narcissist
response in psychopathy to

being asked detailed questions,

because if she thought
they were important,

she already mentioned it,
and you see the irritability,

because that's
the confrontation

between who's running
this thing, and so she says,

"That's irrelevant,"
and she dismisses it.

MORGAN: I think that
she knows this is

shocking to the interviewer.

She's trying to make it funny,
and nothing's funny about

what she's talking about,

and so we see this is that
superficial and glib humor

she's demonstrating --
one impact of the behavior

is that it controls
the interviewer's attention.

It's an emotional lure.

It's playing
with the interviewer.

The other one is that it
projects an image,

that she's beyond
feelings of these things

that we all might
find horrifying,

which is a superiority view.

Like, I'm beyond the thing
that you might find shocking.

DERIGHT: This seems to be
another way that --

that she was celebrating.

It was kind of a victory lap
with this chair

that he was presumably
known by in the community.

So she feels like
she won this battle,

did a good thing, and was
showing off, essentially.

This is not someone
who did

a terrible thing
and is trying to evade capture.

This is someone
who is literally

riding around town
on the wheelchair.

My view of Simpson's dropping
breadcrumbs, hints about other

crimes and things,
is her way of

not only controlling
the interview but controlling

interest, the emotions,
of the interviewer.

She's presenting herself as
a seasoned and skilled person

who can kill people,
so she's an expert,

right, and stuff doesn't
bother her, and she's not gonna

get other people involved,
because she can do it.

She's done it before,
but we're not gonna talk

about that --
it's teasing.

With psychopathic individuals,
when they

have a history of animal harm,

it's not surprising that
it starts during childhood.

Oftentimes, they start with
small animals, such as birds,

squirrels, hamsters,

the family rodent,
the family cat, the family dog.

And the significance of
starting with small animals

is that they're easy
to overtake.

They're easy to overpower.

It's easy to control them.

When Simpson references that
she hasn't gotten an elk yet,

that's both a reference to her
being a predator and a hunter,

and everyone else
that's living being prey.

[laughs]

MAN: Women generally
don't commit crimes

- this heinous.
- Right.

MAN: You know, this is usually
the domain of men.

- That's unfortunate.
- You think more women should...

Oh, yeah -- equal
opportunity, definitely.

- Will you kill again?
- If the opportunity arises?

I hope so.