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[Sophia babbling]

MAN: There's this thing inside
of me, it's like...

the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's...

filling...the hunger.

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MAN: Our communication
center received

a call that there was two dead
children inside the department.

WOMAN: Neighbors identified
the little girls as Serena

and Sophia,

and their mother
was the one who

called police to their
4th floor apartment.

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DETECTIVE: Okay?

MORGAN: In a nutshell,
I don't believe her.

Amnesia doesn't
work that way.

It's not persuasive,
but that seems to be

her narrative she's presenting
is everything was normal.

She almost sounds childlike
herself, helpless, frail.

I think it was this
vacillation between trying to

decide if she wanted to come
across as mentally unstable,

that she had no memory of what
she did, to really dissociating

and not wanting to face

the emotional reality that
she's killed her children.

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TUSSEY:
I would scream.

Most people would have a much
more extreme reaction

to first hearing that

if they really believed two
seconds ago that they were just

with their dad.

Even though she's crying,
she's relatively calm.

So that is very striking
about her reaction.

I'm a little skeptical about
the authenticity of it.

MORGAN: With people who have
psychopathy, we'll often see

a meager effort at the display
of emotion.

Sometimes a feigned
effort if they

can't muster enough of
a feeling.

SAHNI: What she's describing is
postmortem effects for

the children, and yet

she's talking about them like
they're alive and they're

just injured.

So there's a complete
disconnect there.

What we know is that
after she drowned them,

she dressed them in pretty
little princess dresses, and she

did up their hair,
and she made

them look beautiful, and then
she put them to bed, dead.

It's creepy
on a lot of levels.

Her ability to objectify her
children and maintain her own

narrative that was
not based in reality

allowed her
to drown each of them.

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SAHNI:
Make no mistake.

She never misses a beat
to stay in control of

the interview, she never misses
a beat to exert her legal right.

She's quite clear and definite
about that.

When you see that switch

so automatically, that is more
consistent with psychopathic

behavior than a broken,
psychologically frail

individual who has just
lost her two daughters.

TUSSEY: Her lack of
an answer is telling.

I think that her plan
was to kill

herself with the pills,
and it didn't work.

I don't think that she had
really thought

beyond what would happen if
she didn't die.

Sometimes when psychopaths
entertain suicide,

it's because they want
to have the final say.

[Sophia babbling]

She made a video
on the day of their death.

It's probably not an accident.

The Sleeping Beauty
is playing for the kids.

This doesn't bode well.

Sleeping Beauty is the story
of a wonderful young woman

who can't wake up

until she's kissed by
the handsome prince to come out

of her state of sleep
that's induced by the witch.

Consistent with that,
once they're dead

she dresses them up
and lays them

out so they are little
sleeping beauties.

SAHNI: She made a strategic,
calculated decision to

videotape her children in
their last moments.

She's documenting what
a fantastic mother

she was,
and yet she drowns them.

Elaine Campione is somebody
who is fused with her children.

Her ego,

her internal sense of self,
is anchored by the existence

and the narrative of,
"I am a perfect mother."

Hi!

She's speaking with
positive affect.

She has love in her voice
and what

she's saying to them,
that mommy loves you.

She's joking with them.

Uh, there's
a total disconnect.

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SAHNI: Ultimately, this was
a case of revenge.

This is
Elaine Campione's narrative.

Elaine is a perfect mother.

Elaine is the only one who can
take care of her children.

Many parents hate each other.

You know, and want to get back
at one another,

even use their kids
as pawns to get back,

but they don't kill them.

MORGAN: It sounds like it had
been a difficult relationship,

but she's used her kids as
a weapon in that way to punish

her husband.

The psychopathic part
is viewing

the children as
the implements.

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Her tone is less irate
in this video.

It's as if she's woken
up unexpectedly,

perhaps because she thought
she was going to die,

and she is trying
to come to terms with this.

When we think of parents who
are psychologically fused with

their children,
those children

are their anchors
for their personality.

I think what we're seeing is
the beginnings

of the unraveling,
because her anchor is gone.

She's killed them.
She's more broken.

This is a lot of fractured,
damaged personality structure.

She's two very different
people in many ways.

You have this woman who is
presenting herself as very

frail and beaten down.

But then on the other hand,

she's clearly very much in
control of her decisions.

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WOMAN: Legal papers were also
found advising Campione

to appear in court for
a child custody hearing

October 5th, the day after
the girls' bodies

were discovered.

Leo Campione was trying to
get custody

of the girls at the time
they were killed.

TUSSEY: The custody aspect is
a key element in this.

So it's possible that she saw
this as her only option to

ensure definitively that
he would not get to be

with the girls.

And her response to it is
"I'll take them,

and you won't ever
get them."

That's her power.

This was a note that
Elaine took the time to write.

It was directed
at her husband, and it says,

"All I wanted
was a way out.

"The system failed.

"I was a great mother, and you
wouldn't leave me alone.

"I had to protect our girls.

"They will sail away
from this and all of you.

I hate you."

Her narrative is
that she's actually doing

something
that's incredibly altruistic,

and she's making it clear to
her husband

that he caused this.

It's not her who drowned them.
He pushed her to do this.

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WOMAN: Doctors' notes revealed
that Campione was having

trouble seeing herself and
children as separate entities.

These pictures were used by
the defense as evidence.

Campione apparently told
her mother to take it,

saying she loved her kids
and was fearful

there would be no memory
of her.

Campione's lawyer argues her
client is mentally ill,

that she suffered from
delusions and paranoia

and didn't feel
she or her children were safe.

Once she had a goal
in mind, which was to kill them,

to take them away from
her husband,

she's very systematic about
how she goes about that goal.

That's highly inconsistent
with how people who experience

delusions and paranoia behave.

She as a psychopathic
as she feels.

She is self-righteous,
she feels vindicated.

She did something that no
parent had the courage to do.

WOMAN: The jury didn't

but the defense argument that
it was mental illness that

made her do it and not

a bitter custody
dispute with her ex-husband.

WOMAN: Elaine Campione sobbed
uncontrollably as the jury

announced a guilty verdict.

Her tears then turned to anger
as she swore before being

handcuffed and hauled out of
the courtroom.

There's where you see
the self-righteousness,

there's where you see
the attitude of, "Why am I being

"hauled out in handcuffs?

I did what was
the right thing to do,"

and it was the most protective
thing she could do for

her daughters, because she is
a perfect mother,

and mommy loves you.

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