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[theme music playing]

MAN: There's this thing inside
of me, it's like...

the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's...

filling...the hunger.

♪♪

[siren wailing]

MAN: Eustaquio was found shot
multiple times

in his Fallbrook home.

His mother-in-law,
Cynthia Katherine Cdebaca,

charged with the crime.

We are still currently
investigating

what the motive might be.

SAHNI: She's letting
the sheriff's deputies believe

that she can't remember
her name.

She can't remember her date
of birth, her age.

These are things
that are not uncommon to

see sometimes when someone has
a significant stroke,

however, it seems unlikely
against other aspects

of her day-to-day functioning
that we know about.

What I think Cdebaca
is showing us

in this moment
is that she hasn't fully

decided how much responsibility

she wants to take for
the crime.

MORGAN: It's bizarre.

Her wailing is
a little bizarre.

This looks feigned to me.

She's pretending that she
doesn't know anything about

the crime and the scene,
and the wail

is a weak imitation of, I think,
what she imagines an immediate

expression of sorrow would be.

MUNDY: She goes from pretending
to be confused to

pretending to lament his loss
very quickly,

and I wouldn't expect
to see that.

I wouldn't expect her even
necessarily to

understand the news
she was being given

if she was anywhere near as

confused or disoriented
as she presented herself.

SAHNI: Now, suddenly, she's gone
from not knowing her name

to a level of anger,

a level of bitterness, and
doesn't sound like a whole lot

of remorse.

Cdebaca feels comfortable
pivoting and taking

responsibility and credit for

killing her son-in-law, because
the detectives have now

befriended her.

There's some relishment of
her actions, and now she's got

an audience that she can
describe that to.

For a psychopath,

having an audience that they
are commanding, the audience is

looking to them, what are
they going to say next?

Even if it's shocking
the audience, being in control

can be a very satisfying thing
for someone with psychopathy.

[Cynthia sobbing loudly]

She sounds monstrous
as she's describing this man's

last words and her desire
to continue killing him.

There's a tone of disgust
in it, like that

he would plead
for his life to her,

and the way she imitates it,
she is angry at him.

MORGAN:
With psychopaths,

they are often angered
and infuriated when people

don't treat them the way
they expect

to be treated -- for her,

this is the final offense
he can do.

He's humiliating her,
and so she's going

to kill him
and eliminate the problem.

SAHNI: Was it
an overreaction? Yes.

The number of bullets
that he suffered was overkill.

Cdebaca's behaviors
are ruthless.

She doesn't feel bad about it.

MORGAN: Her expression
of emotion seems

to come out of nowhere.

It's sort of like
the switch went on,

the switch went off, and this
is really common after people

have had a stroke.

What's consistent here, though,
when we talk about psychopathy,

is that she's happy
he's dead.

MUNDY: The hard part to, like,
morally wrap your head around is

that she would make
that decision

for so many other people.

They have to live with knowing
grandma killed dad.

That's a real just
lack of empathy or ability

to empathize with her
ostensibly loved ones.

My dad at times, you know,
he could be hard, but

he's ultimately fair.

Alpha personalities,
you know,

conflict with a lot of other
personality types, and she put

on a good facade
for years now and, like,

you know, so this is
a shock to us,

but it seems like she's been
planning this for a while.

On the surface,
I wondered how much of

her decision making was
impaired by the stroke,

but clearly, there are
premeditated steps to this,

and she took the time
to pick up the casings.

She took the time
to clean up after herself.

Cdebaca is definitely
not a confused,

disorganized,
unintelligent person.

This was an organized,
systematic,

methodically
executed crime.

MUNDY: She took his life,
and she went to Denny's

and a casino
on her birthday --

that's really concerning.

That's a little more
suggestive of just that

indifference of human life,

indifference towards
her own grandchildren,

her daughter.

MORGAN: That's what we see
in psychopathy.

They've taken the law into
their own hands, and they've

settled the fantasy
in their head

or settled the score,
and she feels, I think,

entitled to celebrate.

That lack of remorse is
what we see in psychopathy.

[sobbing loudly]

[sobbing continues]

MORGAN: In her behavior, we do
see an element of narcissism.

She has to match
the fantasy in her head

about how this problem
would have to be resolved.

So calling the police
was out of the question.

It wouldn't result in
his death -- in psychopathy,

people don't believe in
adhering to the social rules.

They behave by their own rules,

and they can take matters
into their own hands.

SAHNI:
She alludes to the idea

that she had
a troubled childhood.

There absolutely could have
been some of her

early experiences and negative
feelings about her own family

and maybe a domineering parent
projected onto her son-in-law

that maybe she felt that her

grandchildren experienced
their father in a more

domineering and rigid way than
he may actually have been.

The overkill that you see in
that crime may very well

have been her tapping into rage

that she had about some of
her early life experiences.

[loud sobbing]

[both sobbing loudly]

I think it is telling that
her daughter was upset.

It suggests to me that
her daughter

was in a full relationship
with the victim.

She wasn't begging her mother,

please get rid of someone for me

and had emotionally
detached from him.

You really see a very good
illustration of

how fused she is
in her own head,

that what is her reality must
be her daughter's reality.

The story she had going
in her head is that she was

doing the right thing for her
daughter and her daughter would

be relieved.

And it's not really until this
moment that you see that

the light bulb goes off
in her head

that she's created a real mess
with her daughter.

When people are psychologically
fused with their children,

there's no room
in their reality for

their experiences
and the experiences of

their children.

Cdebaca gave herself
a birthday gift, and she didn't

consider the consequences that
it would have on her daughter,

her grandchildren,
the very people that

she claimed
she was protecting.

She did
what she wanted to do.

There's a callousness,
a coldness,

a cruelness
about what she's done,

and she's singularly focused.

Cdebaca's personality
and behaviors

are consistent with
psychopathic behavior.

Cdebaca justifies her
behaviors in this narrative

or view that she excised
a cancer from the family.

But she is now the one
who is the cancer in

the family, and this is
something that family may never

recover from.

MAN: Prosecutors called it
cold blooded and planned.

This is a case in which

the defendant admitted to
planning and premeditating

her murder.

MAN: Cdebaca was
in a wheelchair.

She's 65 years old.

She bobbed her head and smiled

as the jury walked into
the courtroom.

WOMAN: The jury
in the above-entitled cause

find the defendant,

Cynthia Cdebaca, guilty of
the crime of murder.