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[ SIGHS ]
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WELL, WE WERE QUITE SCARED
TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH,
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AND...THIS IS REALLY --
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YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE
THIS TO HAPPEN IN A SMALL TOWN
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LIKE THIS,
YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
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Woman: THREE PEOPLE ARE DEAD
FROM MULTIPLE STAB WOUNDS,
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AND STATE POLICE ARE CALLING
THEIR DEATHS A HOMICIDE.
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AT THIS POINT IN TIME,
WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHO IT IS,
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SO WE DON'T KNOW
WHERE THEY MAY BE HEADED TO.
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[ EXHALES SHAKILY ]
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Man: THERE'S A THING INSIDE
OF ME, IT'S LIKE...
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THE APPETITE.
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IT'S LIKE A WOLF THAT'S...
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FILLING...THE HUNGER.
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Detective: OKAY, OKAY.
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[ DETECTIVE LAUGHS ]
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[ SIGHS ]
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- Detective: I'M SORRY?
- BILBO BAGGINS.
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BY BRINGING TOLKIEN INTO
THE CONVERSATION, HE'S, UH...
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WELL, HE'S DEFLECTING
IN A LOT OF WAYS.
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HE'S SORT OF LEADING THEM DOWN
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A PATH THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH WHY HE WOULD BE THERE.
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I THINK AT THE CORE OF
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THE PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY
IS THE DESIRE TO CONTROL.
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YOU LEARN TO MANIPULATE VERY
WELL AND TO NOT FEEL GUILTY
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CERTAINLY ABOUT MANIPULATING.
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YOU CAN OFTEN GET
MORE INFORMATION FROM
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A PSYCHOPATH IF YOU'RE WILLING
TO BE FLEXIBLE IN
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YOUR INTERVIEW --
IN SOME WAYS,
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LET THEM TAKE CONTROL
AND LEAD THE INTERVIEW,
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AND THEN WEAVE IN AND OUT
AND TRY TO GET
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MORE INFORMATION THAT WAY.
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NO, I CANNOT THINK
OF ANY GOOD REASON
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT
COULD HAPPEN.
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THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD SHAKE
HIS HEAD, YES,
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WHEN HE'S SAYING NO
IS ANOTHER TELL.
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NO.
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A LOT OF TIMES,
DURING INTERROGATIONS,
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PEOPLE'S BODY LANGUAGE RUNS
CONTRARY TO WHAT
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THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAYING.
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Tussey: WHAT OFTEN,
IN MY EXPERIENCE,
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MAKES PSYCHOPATHS
BETTER AT LYING
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IS THE GLIB
AND SUPERFICIAL CHARM THAT
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THEY'RE ABLE TO USE
AS PART OF THAT.
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THEY COME ACROSS
VERY LIKABLE.
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...AND HE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
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MM-HMM.
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Detective: MM-HMM.
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Tussey: UH-OH -- AT THIS POINT,
HIS STORY HAS CHANGED,
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AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
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PSYCHOPATHIC OR OVERLY
CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY
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TO JUST SHIFT AND -- AND
FOOL THE OTHER PERSON THAT
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THEY'RE TALKING TO.
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SO HE'S NOT VERY APOLOGETIC
ABOUT CHANGING HIS STORY.
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MOST ANIMALS, WHEN THEY'RE
CORNERED, ATTACK, COUNTERATTACK.
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DEPENDING ON HOW PRONE
TO VIOLENCE THEY ARE,
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THEY MIGHT BECOME VIOLENT.
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THEY CAN ALSO RESORT TO WHAT --
WHAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO
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AS KIND OF THAT PSYCHOPATHIC
DOUBLE TALK.
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THEY'RE REALLY SORT OF
JUST WRAPPING WORDS AROUND
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SORT OF AN EMPTY VESSEL AND
TWISTING IT INTO A PRETZEL,
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AND THEY LEAVE YOU TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS
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THEY'RE SAYING.
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ALL RIGHT.
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I THINK HE PROBABLY IS
AWARE IT'S GOING
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TO BE VERY TRICKY
TO GET OUT OF DNA,
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AND IT'S POSSIBLE
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HE'S ALSO THINKING,
"YEAH, IT'S OKAY.
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"THEY THINK
THEY GOT ME THERE,
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BUT I'LL STILL FIND ANOTHER
WAY TO GET AROUND THIS."
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MM-HMM.
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♪♪
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Berrill: I THINK PSYCHOPATHS
TEND TO BE GOOD LIARS.
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THEY CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL
A SENSE OF GUILT, AND DEPENDING
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ON HOW BRIGHT THEY ARE,
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN
THEY CAN MESS UP.
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[ SNIFFLES ]
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[ SNIFFLES ]
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Detective: YEAH.
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Tussey: I AM STRUCK BY WHAT
APPEARS TO BE SHALLOW AFFECT,
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AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TRAITS
OF PSYCHOPATHY.
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AND THAT'S SORT OF,
"OH,
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"I KNOW SOMETHING BAD'S
HAPPENING OR SAD,
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SO I SHOULD CRY,
SO I'M GONNA CRY."
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THERE'S NOT A LOT
OF DEPTH TO HIS,
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YOU KNOW,
APPARENT SADNESS HERE.
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RIGHT.
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Detective: OKAY.
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Detective: UH-HUH.
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[ SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY ]
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IT'S AN EXALTED STATE FOR SOME,
THEY'RE LIKE GOD FOR THAT
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MOMENT, BECAUSE, REALLY,
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IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
A MURDERER
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OR SOMEONE
WHO DOES SERIAL KILLINGS,
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THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
DETERMINE WHO'S GONNA LIVE
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AND DIE, SO THERE'S SOMETHING
GOD-LIKE ABOUT THAT.
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YOU'LL SEE THIS --
THIS GRANDIOSITY,
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POMPOUSNESS, AND SMUGNESS
ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY'VE DONE.
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Detective: WHAT MADE YOU
CONTINUE?
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Berrill: ANOTHER PERSON MIGHT
HAVE SAID, I KNOW WHERE
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HE LIVES,
I'VE BEEN INVITED IN.
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I'M GONNA HANG OUT,
I'LL COME BACK
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ANOTHER DAY AND REVISIT THIS,
YOU KNOW?
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BUT -- BUT HE FELT
COMPELLED TO STAY
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AND KILL THREE PEOPLE.
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Tussey: I THINK IT JUST
SPEAKS TO HIS CALLOUS
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LACK OF REGARD FOR HUMANITY.
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HE MADE UP HIS MIND.
HE HAD A GOAL.
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HE WAS GOING
TO TAKE JEFF OUT,
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AND THE REST IS JUST
COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
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IT'S TOO BAD
THEY HAD TO BE THERE
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IS -- IS THE ATTITUDE
HE SEEMS TO PORTRAY.
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Berrill:
FOR THE PSYCHOPATH,
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THEY TYPICALLY KNOW
BASICALLY WHY
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THEY'RE DOING WHAT
THEY'RE DOING,
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BUT HIS EXPLANATION
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IS INTELLECTUAL, AND TO ME,
IT DOESN'T HOLD WATER, REALLY.
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IT DOESN'T TIE IN
AT ALL TO
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THE AMOUNT OF RAGE
THIS GUY REALLY HAS.
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OKAY.
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SURE.
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[ SIGHS ]
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IT'S ALL RIGHT.
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Berrill:
IT IS COLD AND CALCULATED,
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AND THERE'S NOT EVEN
PSEUDO-EMOTION.
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NATURALLY, HE'S GOT TO GO BACK
IN AND KILL A LITTLE BOY
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AND THE OTHER GUY HE DOESN'T
EVEN KNOW SO NO ONE CAN
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IDENTIFY HIM, AND THAT'S...
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YOU KNOW,
THAT'S A REAL BIG LEAP,
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AND -- AND OFTEN THE FIRST KILLS
ARE BIG LEAPS.
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THIS IS WHERE HE SEEMS
MOST PSYCHOPATHIC TO ME.
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♪♪
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AND...
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[ EXHALES SHAKILY ]
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Detective: YEAH.
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YOU REALLY ONLY MET HIM --
IT WAS THE VERY FIRST TIME...
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YEAH.
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Tussey: I THINK THERE ARE
MOMENTS OF CANDOR HERE.
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IT'S -- IT IS POSSIBLE
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THAT THEY CAN HAVE MOMENTS
WHERE THEY
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ARE EVEN APPALLED
BY THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR.
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NOW HOW LONG OR HOW DEEP
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OR HOW THAT MOMENT OF
RECOGNITION REALLY STANDS
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WITH THEM --
THAT'S -- THAT'S THE QUESTION.
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PSYCHOPATHS TEND TO USE
JARGON IN WHATEVER SITUATION
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THEY'RE IN TO EXEMPLIFY
THEIR VAST KNOWLEDGE
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AND INTELLIGENCE,
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AND I FIND IT'S THE GRANDIOSITY
WITHIN THEM THAT SNEAKS OUT
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AND WANTS TO USE
THAT LANGUAGE AND VERNACULAR
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IN WHATEVER CONTEXT.
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Detective:
YOU DID. ALL RIGHT.
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Detective: OKAY.
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[ INHALES AND EXHALES HEAVILY ]
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Detective: YEAH?
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Tussey: PSYCHOPATHS ARE
MOST OFTEN NOT REMORSEFUL.
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I THINK IT MAKES IT
A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT
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FOR THE MAJORITY OF US
TO WRAP OUR MIND AROUND
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HOW HE COULD ENGAGE
IN THOSE ACTIONS
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AND BASICALLY SHOW
NO REMORSE.
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Detective: ALL RIGHT? UM...
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- OKAY.-OKAY?
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Ormsby: OKAY.
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YOU KNOW,
THERE IS NO PAROLE IN MAINE.
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HE WILL DIE IN PRISON.
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Woman: UPON RECEIVING HIS
SENTENCES FOR STABBING TO DEATH
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JEFFREY RYAN, HIS 10-YEAR-OLD
SON, JESSE, AND JASON DEHAHN,
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ORMSBY DID NOT SHED
A SINGLE TEAR.
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