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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:04,240 Okay, calm down. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,240 I wanted to just really quickly talk 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,960 about the journalists who were have been 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,040 murdered. Katie, I mean, especially Anna 5 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:16,000 Al Sharief. 28 years old. 28 years old, 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,240 you know? I mean, to think of how young 7 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,119 that is and how horrific it is that 8 00:00:21,119 --> 00:00:25,600 Israel smeared this young man as a Hamas 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,480 operative. And even if he was, nothing 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,439 justifies extrajudicial murder. 11 00:00:31,439 --> 00:00:34,719 That's what courts are for. Okay, so all 12 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:36,480 of this is sick. Even if you're running 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,600 on the premise that someone equals Hamas 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,600 equals justified murder, that is sick. 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,000 But let's just look at Annal Sharif. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,640 What a long con, right? Because this man 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,760 graduated from Gaza City's Alaka 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,360 University with a mass communication 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,079 degree. He specialized in radio and 20 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:57,680 television in college. Then he 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,000 volunteered for a media network. And 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,239 then he won best young journalist in 23 00:01:02,239 --> 00:01:05,840 Gaza in 2018 for his amazing diligent 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,920 reporting on the ground. This was a man 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,720 who dedicated his entire adult life to 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,200 investigative journalism and reporting 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,159 even before he got the job with Alazer. 28 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:18,000 So you know and it's the same with 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Ismile Oul. I mean, he obtained a 30 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,320 bachelor's degree in journalism at the 31 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,479 Islamic University of Gaza. And then he 32 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:28,880 studied media and journalism. He was 27. 33 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,159 27 years old. I mean, just wrap your 34 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:35,759 mind around that. Ham Shabbat was 23. 35 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:37,520 23. 36 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,320 23 years old. I mean, it's just sick. 37 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,840 It's sick that you could have press 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,000 outlets repeating, 39 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,560 regurgitating IDF press releases about 40 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,159 these young heroic men being Hamas 41 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,320 operatives. 42 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,720 How dare you? How dare you? Where is the 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,439 outrage? Where is the outcry? You know, 44 00:01:57,439 --> 00:01:59,520 these Western journalists will never 45 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,960 even fathom what heroism is, what 46 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,759 selflessness is, because journalists in 47 00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:10,160 Gaza are the bravest human beings alive. 48 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,959 They know that their work is a death 49 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:15,360 sentence because Israel openly hunts 50 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,319 them and threatens to kill them. But 51 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:20,959 they do it out of duty to their people. 52 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:22,400 Not only out of duty to their people, 53 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,440 but out of defiance to the world that 54 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 ignores their suffering, gaslights them, 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,000 denies their reality, right? 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,800 And they do it regardless. And that's 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,560 something that I don't think anyone can 58 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,959 really wrap their mind around. It's 59 00:02:38,959 --> 00:02:41,440 unfathomable. It's incomprehensible. And 60 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,840 so if people like Clarissa Ward who 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,480 leave that Tik Tok and just think, "Yep, 62 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,400 I did my part, checked a box," 63 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:48,959 right, 64 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:50,160 you will never understand. 65 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Years into it, years into it, 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,040 years into it. 67 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Yeah. Um, you know, uh, it is also the 68 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,560 the rank hypocrisy of, um, like imagine 69 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,440 someone from a Muslim country calling, 70 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,920 um, BBC journalists mouthpieces for 71 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,000 state terror and then accusing them of 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,599 being bankrolled by terrorists, then 73 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:11,280 beginning to murder these journalists. 74 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Like, do you think that the the media, 75 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,400 Western media would be okay with that? 76 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,680 I mean, it's the whole framework of the 77 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,680 the people who work for my enemy are 78 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,080 deemed enemy combatants. I mean, the 79 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,840 fact that, you know, people like me and 80 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Chris Hedges and Lee Camp, we were all 81 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,440 considered people who could have their 82 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,760 entire body of work removed from the 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,360 internet because we were unsaavory 84 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,040 characters working for Russian media. I 85 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:35,760 mean, it's 86 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,840 so funny. That's exactly what they'd say 87 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,239 like the Russians are the communist, you 88 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:42,159 know, they're literally disappearing 89 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:43,440 people from the internets. 90 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Yeah. Disappearing people from the 91 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,840 internet. And I hate to even compare 92 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,440 that to what's going on in Palestine. 93 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Obviously, there's no comparison at all, 94 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,560 but it's just the idea that Al Jazer 95 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,519 employs people and those people are 96 00:03:55,519 --> 00:03:57,680 journalists and they are our colleagues, 97 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,319 but because it's Al Jazer. I mean, let's 98 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,480 not for let's not forget what even the 99 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,640 CIA and State Department did after 911. 100 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,200 They paid tens of millions, potentially 101 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,599 more than that, to decipher the the 102 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:11,760 Cryions and lower thirds of Alazer 103 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,200 because they were so concerned that it 104 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,599 was terrorist messaging. I mean, this is 105 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,160 how cartoonish it's become. Look at 106 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,720 France 24, BBC, Voice of America. Those 107 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,160 are all arguably, you know, all the 108 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,600 journalists working for those outlets, 109 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,120 not only are they statef funded and you 110 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,720 know, they could be called agents of the 111 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,880 state according to the same logic. But 112 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,520 those states are actually genocide. I 113 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,960 mean, these are the states committing 114 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,440 genocide, colonialism, imperialism, war, 115 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,759 right? So, I mean, just by the same 116 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:46,880 logic, it is just absolutely insane and 117 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,040 horrific that anyone can co-sign to 118 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,199 this, you know? I mean, like two years 119 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:53,520 into this and the silence, the 120 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,280 egregious, deafening silence from all of 121 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,120 the journalists in the world about the 122 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,880 systematic slaughter of Palestinians who 123 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,560 work in media. 124 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,560 I can't wrap my mind around it, Katie. 125 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,560 The only thing I can rationalize is that 126 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,960 they don't think Palestinians are human, 127 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,360 right? 128 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,080 They are bigots and racists and they are 129 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,479 so comfortable with their status that 130 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:19,919 they don't want to lose their job. You 131 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:22,160 know, times are tough, Katie. So, that 132 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,759 that letter sent out by the BBC with 200 133 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,680 200 BBC employees, I was very pleasantly 134 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,520 surprised. I just thought finally almost 135 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,120 two years into this, we finally have a 136 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,400 mass letter by BBC journalists signing 137 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,240 about how horrific it is that their 138 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,720 network is co-signing all this horrific 139 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,960 genocide propaganda. Well, consider my 140 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,320 shock when I opened the letter and it 141 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,080 was 200 anonymous anonymouses. I was 142 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,360 like, 143 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,039 "Yeah, wow. Really brave." 144 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:53,840 Wow. Really brave, guys. Really brave. 145 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,759 And look at the New York Times. The day 146 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:59,360 after five five reporters were bombed in 147 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,120 a journalist tent outside Alshiba 148 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,120 hospital. What did the what did the New 149 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,039 York Times say? They published an 150 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:07,680 article that said, "What is Al Jazzer? 151 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,479 What is this this network that Israel 152 00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:12,080 keeps targeting as a terrorist 153 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,080 mouthpiece? Let's find out." Well, the 154 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,680 network denies it, but let's really dig 155 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,240 in here. I mean, this is complicity. 156 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,800 Yeah, of course. manufacturing consent 157 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,880 for the systematic slaughter of your 158 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,759 colleagues, 159 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,240 right? Yeah. And Reuters putting in 160 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Hamas, you know, uh, killed a 161 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,639 journalist, uh, Israel said was Hamas 162 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,080 operative. Like, you put that in the 163 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,240 headline. Like, don't you aren't 164 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,160 shouldn't you be better at being like 165 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,759 state synographers? Like, don't there's 166 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,199 an art to it. You want to be a little 167 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:40,319 subtle. You don't want to be that 168 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:40,960 obvious. 169 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Well, Reuters and AP are supposed to be 170 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,720 like press wires. It's like, "Okay, we 171 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,919 get it, but you're not just supposed to 172 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:49,199 literally reprint the IDF press release, 173 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,039 Reuters." Like, use some goddamn 174 00:06:51,039 --> 00:06:52,080 discernment. 175 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,639 Yeah. Um, there's actually one a clip I 176 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,880 wanted to show um that features, I 177 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,880 think, a framing that we never see 178 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,560 before. I was actually really shocked 179 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,680 that CNN let this uh clip remain on air. 180 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,680 So, it's it's foreign Press Association 181 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,400 President Ian Williams being asked about 182 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,720 um the killing of Anasal Sharif and 183 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,520 whether he's Hamas. Um, and let's let's 184 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,160 take a listen. 185 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Association says it's outraged by the 186 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,599 targeted killings of journalists in 187 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:19,520 Gaza. Let's bring in Ian Williams, the 188 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,599 president of the association. Ian, 189 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:23,199 welcome to the program. As we've noted, 190 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:25,599 we've seen repeated calls uh for Western 191 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:28,160 journalists to be allowed into Gaza as 192 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,199 the war approaches its 2-year mark. Um 193 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,919 just talk about to tell our viewers why 194 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:36,319 that is so important to have Western 195 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:39,120 journalists there uh to observe what is 196 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,960 going on on the ground throughout the 197 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,479 war and what the reaction has been and 198 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:47,360 the justification when you reach out to 199 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,360 the Israeli government demanding as 200 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,759 much. 201 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:54,800 Well, the one of the points is we should 202 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,879 trust Palestinian journalists as well, 203 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,840 but there's, you know, profound sort of 204 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,879 racism and the Israeli government has 205 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:04,479 basically said if you're Palestinian, 206 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:06,720 you're not to be trusted. Whereas I 207 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,800 think the foreign press, the press in 208 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,240 general are now beginning to learn that 209 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,160 whatever the Israeli government says has 210 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,039 to be taken with a 100 weight of salt 211 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:20,000 because there's, you know, it what they 212 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,720 say bears no relation to reality. And 213 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,319 they use key words like, you know, the 214 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:26,960 Hamas Ministry of Defense. Hamas 215 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,720 controls the place. And I mean the 216 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,039 Ministry of Health, uh, Hamas controls 217 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:34,479 the place. journalists. Uh, frankly, I 218 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:38,080 don't care whether Asharif was in Hamas 219 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,080 or not. We don't kill journalists for 220 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,159 being Republicans or Democrats or in 221 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,120 Britain Labor Party. Uh, Hamas is a 222 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,279 political organization as well as a 223 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:50,560 terrorist organization perhaps, but it's 224 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,200 not permissible to go killing people. 225 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,240 And this was the distinct uh change now 226 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,000 is the IDF actually boasted that this 227 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 was a targeted killing. And the reason 228 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,440 they're doing that is they're not 229 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,600 letting foreign journalists in. So 230 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,279 Palestinian journalists are the only 231 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,120 ones who are there, the only ones who 232 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,720 can tell what's happening there. And 233 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,480 what they're saying completely 234 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,399 contradicts what's coming from Israeli 235 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:17,600 spokesman in Israel and across the 236 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 world. Uh you know, it's quite clear. 237 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,720 They've documented the ongoing massacres 238 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,240 and it's the Israelis don't like it. 239 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,040 What do you mean by not caring whether 240 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Anasal Sheriff was part of Hamas? 241 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Because the Israelis uh have produced 242 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,200 what they say is evidence and have 243 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,800 long-standing 244 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,360 uh uh statements where they say he was 245 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,040 not only part of Hamas, but he was 246 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,920 leading a Hamas cell. In your view, that 247 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,160 doesn't make him fair game for Israeli 248 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,000 targets. 249 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Well, first of all, I don't believe it. 250 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,399 He's been working 24 hours on 251 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:55,920 journalism. He doesn't have going He 252 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,160 doesn't have time to work in a cell on 253 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,200 the side. Second point is I basically 254 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 don't believe anything the Israeli 255 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,040 government says about this. They've lied 256 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,480 and lied and lied. They buried a whole 257 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,320 medical team. I mean, by the way, before 258 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,680 I'm going to keep playing this, but um 259 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,800 this woman, her name is um Banna 260 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Goladraga, and she uh has pushed the uh 261 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Hamas rape hoax a lot. 262 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Um you know, people could say that she 263 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,760 has blood on her hands. 264 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,720 Well, what what longstanding documents? 265 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,720 She said they produce longstanding 266 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,360 documents. 267 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Can she I would 268 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,440 love to see that lady. This long st What 269 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,880 does that even mean? Longstanding. 270 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,200 Longstanding documents. herbara talking 271 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,880 points are like fried in her brain. She 272 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,240 can't even like reach for the good has 273 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,839 borrowed talking points. So disgusting. 274 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:46,640 They've lied and lied and lied. They 275 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,440 buried a whole medical team after 276 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,000 denying it. They went and destroyed the 277 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,800 evidence. They bombed hospitals claiming 278 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,200 the Hamas facilities underneath which 279 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,519 weren't there. And the only way to con 280 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,839 conclusively disprove them was to let 281 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:05,920 foreign journalists in. and they won't 282 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 do that. So now they're basically saying 283 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,920 if foreign journalists are allowed in 284 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,880 now, I would I would make sure they 285 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,040 compose their wills before they go. 286 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,959 These are two separate the IDF has no 287 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:18,640 compunction. 288 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,480 The these are two separate issues you 289 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,399 raise. I think the majority of 290 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,720 journalists around the world and I would 291 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,800 imagine a lot of our viewers would 292 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,440 support uh allowing Western journal 293 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,600 journalists into Gaza to see 294 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,320 Wow, that is so big of you. What a what 295 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,720 a a principled person that you think 296 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,800 that they should allow Western 297 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,800 journalists in that is so brave. Wow. 298 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,720 You must have gone to journalism school 299 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,880 to to understand the power of journalism 300 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,880 so well because what an amazing thing to 301 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 say for themselves and report for 302 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,040 themselves what is happening in this 303 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 war. But when you say you don't believe 304 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,160 a word Israel is saying, you know, 305 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,720 there's been a lot of uh accusation 306 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,880 thrown at Israel for not producing 307 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,480 evidence to uh to confirm some of the 308 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,480 claims they've made. If they then 309 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,160 produce evidence and you say, "I don't 310 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,519 believe it." Where does that leave 311 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:08,320 things? 312 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,839 Well, also, what evidence are you 313 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:12,079 talking about? Like, it is absolutely 314 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:13,839 the right thing to do to assume Israel 315 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:16,720 lies by default. like you should never 316 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,880 believe it until not only should they 317 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,800 produce evidence but like it needs to be 318 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,560 cross-cheed because I don't believe 319 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:23,760 anything. 320 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,600 That's again an inverse of reality. It's 321 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,839 like you should the dubiousness is on 322 00:12:27,839 --> 00:12:31,440 Hamas instead of Israel. The notorious 323 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,720 pathologically lying nuclear armed state 324 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,560 committing genocide. Yeah, great 325 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:37,519 journalism. 326 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:38,560 Yeah, 327 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,160 I don't believe it. Where does that 328 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,480 leave things? Also, poor Israel. They've 329 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,079 been accused of not having evidence. 330 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:45,440 Come on. How can you you're going to 331 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,880 accuse of not having evidence about the 332 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,959 slaughtering 200 plus journalists and 333 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:50,079 their families. Yeah. 334 00:12:50,079 --> 00:12:51,839 Yeah. They're really in a bind. It's 335 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:53,920 really hard for them. 336 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Well, it leaves things. We work on the 337 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,040 balance of proof. Our job is to 338 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,440 challenge authority. The authority here 339 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,399 is denying access to independent 340 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:07,200 witnesses. Nobody else is allowed to go 341 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,920 into Gaza. International organizations 342 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,639 aren't allowed into Gaza. Journalists 343 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:16,079 aren't allowed into Gaza. Reuters, AP, 344 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:19,760 CNN, BBC are not allowed into Gaza. Now, 345 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,079 what does that give a sort of more than 346 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:24,000 a little hint that things are going on 347 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,600 there that the Israeli government 348 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,120 doesn't want you to know about or 349 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,120 doesn't want you to witness? What other 350 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,560 conclusion are you going to give? You 351 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,000 know, there's a presumption in favor of 352 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,800 Israel in a lot of this which is totally 353 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,680 unjustified after recent experience, I 354 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:41,040 think. Um, and 355 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 they they've targeted journalists before 356 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,639 in the West Bank as well. By the way, 357 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:46,560 we're looking at Gaza, but uh, 358 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,880 journalists have been assaulted and 359 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,120 killed in in the West Bank as well for 360 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,880 witnessing what the settlers are doing, 361 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,160 let alone what the IDF is doing. So, I I 362 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,959 think we're really, you know, it's not 363 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:01,760 it it doesn't do Israel any great favors 364 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,399 for basically making everything they say 365 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:06,720 totally questionable. 366 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,320 All right, Ian Williams will have to 367 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,519 leave it there. Thank you so much for 368 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,519 the time. Uh, president of the Foreign 369 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:13,120 Press Association. 370 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,120 I bet she like cried after that or threw 371 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,639 up. 372 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,279 Wow, that was really heavy. That was 373 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,600 really heavy because it's just in the 374 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,120 face of nothing. The grasping at straws. 375 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,560 I mean, I just wish that he could have 376 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,399 just said, "What was the evidence?" Him 377 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:30,079 posing 378 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:32,399 posing with Sinoir. 379 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:34,880 Yeah. because there's a long list of 380 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Israelis that have hung out with 381 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,680 Netanyahu and worked for Netanyahu and 382 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,000 interviewed Netanyahu and all the lunik 383 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,399 I mean it is so horrific. So all of 384 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:45,920 those journalists are completely fair 385 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,720 game 386 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,320 to be extrajudicially assassinated along 387 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,240 with their families and hey you know if 388 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,160 you kill 500 people in the apartment 389 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,760 building but hey you were trying to get 390 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,120 that journalist who interviewed 391 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Netanyahu one time. I mean where does 392 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,160 this end? I don't think that uh Biana 393 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,680 would be cool with that. Something tells 394 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,440 me 395 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,000 it's so disgusting.27785

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