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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,520 We're running out of Johns. 2 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,160 Excuse me. You're Amanda's friend? 3 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,160 I'm Carol Donnelly. 4 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,320 Have you spoken to Bob Stephenson? 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,720 Uh, yes, I've tried to, but he, um... 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,920 He won't talk to me. 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,750 I could speak to him for you, if you like. 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,760 I put her in touch with Bob and then what happened happened. 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,520 We're having a boy? 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,880 Awesome. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,320 I'm not there yet. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,920 I'm going to bed. Do you wanna come? 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,960 I've gotta get a demo out to the agency tonight, so... 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,080 Hey. 15 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,400 - Hey. - What's up? 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Is 8:30 OK for a pick-up? 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,920 I'm starting to think that maybe my drink was spiked. 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,920 Just take your cash and let yourself out. 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,680 Nice one going behind my back. 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Yeah, you wanna create drama? Is that what you're trying to do? 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Because let me tell you, I can create drama. 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Oh, look, look. 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,960 It's our crime writer. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Can I ask you something? 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,720 Your mate, Alan. 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,920 What if he did it, 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,160 would you still defend him? 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,400 You know I would. That's the law. 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,080 Here's a blanket. 30 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Oh, Bob! Bob, no. 31 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Nice suit. 32 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,000 I haven't worn it since Bev's funeral. 33 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,160 I haven't worn it since Bev's funeral. 34 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,200 Didn't think I would be again either, 35 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,040 until I joined her. 36 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,880 Ready? 37 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Been ready for 57 years. 38 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Have a seat. 39 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,920 How'd you sleep? 40 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Like a baby. 41 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,920 Up all night, crying. 42 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,640 I know how you feel, but... 43 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,520 ..Bob Stephenson's the one that should be losing sleep. 44 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,040 He's on my turf now. 45 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Bob Stephenson hates me. 46 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,280 Bob Stephenson hates me. 47 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,920 This is a bent cop we're talking about. 48 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,240 He's been on my case ever since I was a kid. 49 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,160 And he's gonna bring up all that shit. 50 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,200 So... 51 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,440 Why were you at the beach that night, Alan? 52 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,920 It was a party for out-of-towners. 53 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,120 I was invited. 54 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,920 We know you brought the booze. 55 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Alan, I can always charge you with supplying to minors 56 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,640 if you don't cooperate. 57 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,840 Does your dad know about that? 58 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,200 He's been obsessed with the murders his whole life. 59 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:34,520 And he's gonna pin it on me just so he can 60 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,200 finally put me away before he carks it. 61 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,920 Admittedly, he is a credible witness. 62 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,720 But his age will count against him. 63 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,080 Well, you're not exactly a spring chicken yourself. 64 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,880 No, I'm no spring chicken. 65 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,400 I'm a wily old fox. 66 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,920 And that's the difference. 67 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,400 - Settle down, settle down. 68 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,840 Now, look, let me tell you, 69 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,000 I've been around the block a few more times than most... 70 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,120 I've been around the block a few more times than most... 71 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,840 Who do you think is the killer? 72 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,000 ..and I know about defence lawyers. 73 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,560 They're a bunch of tossers. 74 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,920 All they're interested in is getting their client off. 75 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,240 What the fuck is he doing? 76 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,920 Excuse me, excuse me. Bob? 77 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,520 - Bob! Bob? - I have been... 78 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,920 - Excuse me, excuse me. - What? 79 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:14,920 Could you just go with Charlie? 80 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,320 - Hey? - Hey, you take him inside. 81 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,320 What can you tell us about the dead girls? 82 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Uh, Detective Stephenson is a state witness, 83 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,120 and as such he will not be answering any further questions 84 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,840 about this case until after his testimony. 85 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,880 Thank you. 86 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,200 I've explained. 87 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,880 Bob, you know you can't talk to the press before you testify. 88 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 89 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,680 The only questions you need to answer right now are mine. 90 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Yeah, yeah, I'll answer them. It's alright. 91 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,520 You're gonna be great in there. 92 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Yeah, look, I'm OK. I'm OK, alright? 93 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,960 I mean, we've been through it all. 94 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,600 - I know what I'm doing. - Yeah. 95 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,840 I'm OK. 96 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,280 Mr Aziz, please call me back. 97 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,360 - Hey, Dad. 98 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Salma! 99 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Just... getting my uniform for... 100 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,200 It's beautiful, isn't it? 101 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,680 Uh, yeah. Uh... 102 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,760 - We can't afford this, though. - Ah, don't worry about that. 103 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,600 A person on the jury practically gave it to me. 104 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Oh. 105 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,000 You've worked hard, you deserve your own instrument. 106 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,080 You like the bow? 107 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,320 - Nice touch. - Yeah, I tried. 108 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,840 - Yeah. 109 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,080 See ya, Dad! 110 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Whoa, whoa, whoa! 111 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,840 We've done a lot of travel together 112 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,920 and, I mean, I feel like 113 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,240 that's the... the true test of any relationship, right? 114 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,120 - Yeah, sure. I mean... - Isn't it? Is it? 115 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,240 Yeah, I suppose so. 116 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,320 If you can get Delhi belly together, 117 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,150 then, I don't know, you can have kids together. 118 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,280 Sure, why not? 119 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,910 Well... 120 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,120 Yeah, I mean, that's the... 121 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,040 I mean, that's the other issue that keeps raising its head. 122 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,840 - What, kids? - Yeah. 123 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,040 - Really? - Yeah. 124 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Who doesn't want them? 125 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,800 No, it's not... it's not that I don't. It's just... 126 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,000 I don't know, I mean, everyone thinks that their... their kids 127 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,880 I don't know, I mean, everyone thinks that their... their kids 128 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,640 are gonna have these long, happy, healthy lives, 129 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,560 but what if they don't? 130 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,920 I mean, what if something happens 131 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,640 that you never saw coming? 132 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Yeah. 133 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,040 It's really hard to hear people. 134 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,640 - It's really hard! - Yeah! 135 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,600 - Well, it's loud. - Yeah. 136 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,880 - Hey, you guys. - Don't tell me. 137 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,840 - Hey, Jaz. - Hey. 138 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,280 What's up? 139 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Nothing. 140 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:38,920 Just debriefing. 141 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Camilla came to the club on Friday. 142 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Yeah, shocking headache. 143 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Still. Hmm. 144 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,760 Yeah, I've been there. 145 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,600 OK. 146 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,920 - Did I make that awkward? - No, that was... 147 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,200 - She made that awkward. 148 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,920 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 149 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 So tell me, did she like it? 150 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,200 You should have seen her face. 151 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,480 - She... she loved it. - Really? 152 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:13,920 What did she say? Tell me what... 153 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,200 She didn't say much. 154 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,400 No, no, it's a good thing. She was... speechless. 155 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,600 She... 156 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:21,920 She's never speechless, Hanifa, trust me. 157 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,480 - Oh, my goodness! - It's a good thing. 158 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:25,880 - You did good. - We did good. 159 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,320 - Yes, we did good. 160 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,920 Toast to that. 161 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,520 - Cheers. 162 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 - You know what they say. - Oh! Shit. 163 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Envy is the only deadly sin with no pleasure in it. 164 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,920 No. No, I'm not... 165 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,800 OK, everyone, it's time. 166 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Once more unto the breach, dear friends. 167 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,440 Yeah. Henry Five. 168 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,520 Uh, isn't it, ah, 'into' the breach? 169 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,440 - I think Shakespeare's... - It's 'unto the breach'. 170 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,560 It doesn't matter. They all died anyway. 171 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Can you please state for the court 172 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,880 your name and profession? 173 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Yes, uh, Robert Jonathan Stephenson. 174 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,920 And, Mr Stephenson, you are a... 175 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,440 ..retired Detective Senior Sergeant 176 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,920 who served the Western Australian Police Force 177 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,680 from 1965 to 2010, is that correct? 178 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Yeah, yeah, that... that is correct, sorry. Uh, sorry. 179 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,360 That's quite alright. 180 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,880 Mr Stephenson, when did you first meet Amanda Taylor? 181 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,040 July, uh, 2021. 182 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Um, Mr Stephenson? 183 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,840 Hi, I, um... 184 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Uh, I'm Amanda. 185 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,800 Amanda came to me to say she was writing a book 186 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,880 about her father being the Cape Rock killer. 187 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,400 - Sugar? - Yeah, please. Thanks. 188 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,000 OK. Now, uh... 189 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,160 I don't know what you think you've got, Miss Taylor, but... 190 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,600 - Amanda. - Hey? 191 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,680 - Amanda. - Yeah. 192 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,000 They've already destroyed a couple of rainforests 193 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:00,160 They've already destroyed a couple of rainforests 194 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,720 writing articles about this case, 195 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,320 so unless you've got something completely new... 196 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,880 I am Warren Little's daughter. 197 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:13,280 I had my doubts about her theory, 198 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,000 but, uh, Amanda was very convincing. 199 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,560 Mrs Donnelly, Amanda is prepared to take 200 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,920 a DNA test 201 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,920 to prove that the semen sample on file, 202 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,720 taken from Susie Mead in 1968... 203 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,640 ..to prove that that sample... 204 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,000 ..belonged to her father. 205 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,600 If it does, 206 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,080 we've got our answer. 207 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,920 The thing is, this could be something big. 208 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Yeah... Mate, mate... 209 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,320 She's Warren Little's daughter. 210 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,360 Well, Carol and the family know she's here. 211 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,680 They want this to go ahead. 212 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Tell them that I wanna do it. 213 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Look, she really wants to do that DNA test, mate. 214 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,920 It's the guts of her argument. 215 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Jim, I wouldn't ask you to do this, mate, 216 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,360 if I didn't think it was right. 217 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,880 All we ask from the department 218 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,000 is that they release that sample 219 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,680 is that they release that sample 220 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,120 and then run the test for us. 221 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,640 I know it's a risk, but we owe it to those families, mate. 222 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,440 We've got to at least try. 223 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,920 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's right here. 224 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,800 No, I'll put her on. Here. 225 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,240 Amanda. 226 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Uh, hello, Inspector? 227 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Yes, yes, I am. 228 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,080 Yeah, absolutely. 229 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,400 She was hoping to help, but, uh... 230 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,560 - Bob! - Yeah. 231 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,360 You got the results? 232 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,080 Uh, yeah. 233 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Disappointing. Sorry. 234 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,640 Uh... 235 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,920 No, no, I'm sorry. 236 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Hey. 237 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,920 And what was Amanda's response to that test result? 238 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Well, she said she wasn't gonna give up. 239 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,520 The case had sunk its teeth in. 240 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,040 I guess I understood what she meant. 241 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Understanding what she meant, uh... what did you do? 242 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,920 Ah, I gave her access to everything I had. 243 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Old case notes, photographs. 244 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:43,520 You right? 245 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,920 Do you keep copies of 246 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,040 all your old case notes, Detective? 247 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,560 No, no, no. 248 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,920 That's it. 249 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Some cases are different. 250 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,720 They, um... 251 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,360 They get under your skin. 252 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,960 The ones about kids, mostly. 253 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Their whole lives ahead of them. 254 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Their whole lives ahead of them. 255 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,920 And when you showed Amanda your... your case notes, 256 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,680 did you tell her anything 257 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,160 that might have steered her towards the accused? 258 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Tell me about this guy. 259 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,920 Oh, him. 260 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,720 Local. Um, poor upbringing. 261 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Mother died when he was young. 262 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Brought up by a semi-abusive publican father. 263 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,440 Left school at 15. 264 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,880 Multiple juvenile misdemeanours. 265 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,520 You're two sugars, aren't you? 266 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Uh, yeah. Thanks. 267 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,120 You know, if you stirred them, you might only need one... 268 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,360 Two sugars, please. 269 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,880 You could die before you're 60. 270 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,920 You could be dead before me! 271 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Alan Chaplin was one of the names 272 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,720 I discussed with her, yes. 273 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,120 Detective, was Alan Chaplin ever a suspect 274 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,880 in the murders of Judith Donnelly and Susan Mead? 275 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Uh, he was interviewed in 1968, 276 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,000 and again in 1978 when the case was reopened, 277 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,080 but police never really had enough evidence 278 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,960 to bring a case against him. 279 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,680 I mean, Chaplin was rough, 280 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,920 but I never thought he had murder in him. 281 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,760 And what about Amanda Taylor? 282 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:11,960 I mean, did she tell you that 283 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,830 she was investigating Alan Chaplin? 284 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,310 Well, I never heard from or saw Amanda again for... 285 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,280 ..ooh, at least a year after the, uh, 286 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,920 DNA sample tests, but, um... 287 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,760 Then I... I got a phone call out of the blue. 288 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:30,360 Uh, 31 March, 2023. 289 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,840 - Six days before her death? - Yes. 290 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,080 And that was when she told me... 291 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,920 ..that she knew who the Cape Rock killer was. 292 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,320 I see. And what exactly did she say to you? 293 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,440 You sure you don't want me to put it away for you? 294 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,800 Ah, just on the table will do. 295 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,840 So you don't need these anymore? 296 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,520 Uh, no, no. I'm done. 297 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,920 Yeah, I understand. It takes its toll, this stuff. 298 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,160 No, Bob, I... I'm done. 299 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,600 What are you saying? 300 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,760 I think I found something. 301 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Something or someone? 302 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,360 She believed it was Alan Chaplin. 303 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,120 All she needed was DNA evidence to prove her case. 304 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,920 Now, the court has heard that Mr Chaplin 305 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,400 never volunteered a blood sample for the 1968 murders. 306 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Is that true? 307 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Would you be prepared to give a blood sample 308 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,400 for the purposes of elimination? 309 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,560 No! 310 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,720 For God's sake, Alan, two girls are dead! 311 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,720 Am I done? 312 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,920 Yes. He refused to provide a sample. 313 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,320 Who were the prime suspects in the case, Detective? 314 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,160 Well, police believed it was one of two sex offenders. 315 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,920 Um, Amanda's father, Warren Little, 316 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 and the other, Peter Wayne Flood, 317 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,760 and the other, Peter Wayne Flood, 318 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,520 both of whom were later convicted of similar crimes. 319 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,920 But what raised their interest was that 320 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,920 they were both in the area at the time. 321 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 And what did you believe, Detective? 322 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,840 I believe the original detectives had tunnel vision. 323 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,640 I believed it had to be a local. 324 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Why is that? 325 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,240 Footprints. 326 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,920 The footprints indicate that the perpetrator left the scene... 327 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,560 ..in a direction away from the beach party. 328 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Now, down that end of the beach, there is a rocky headland, 329 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,160 a steep rocky headland with no clear path. 330 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,880 You have to know what you're doing. 331 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,920 Now, for anyone from out of town 332 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,680 to get up that cliff face at night, 333 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,120 in the dark... 334 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,920 ..virtually impossible. 335 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,440 Thank you for your help, Detective. 336 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,480 - Yeah. - No further questions. 337 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,000 Why don't they just do a blanket DNA test 338 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,680 on all the pervs in jail 339 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,760 and then match them up to unsolved crimes? 340 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Mmm. Put them on an island, if you ask me. With lions. 341 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,800 I would 100% watch that show. 342 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,720 They do automatically take tests now. Law's changed. 343 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,920 But if he was convicted back in the '80s, 344 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,320 you know, they couldn't compel him unless he was charged. 345 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,720 Do you think the old boy's right 346 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,920 about the local knowledge angle? 347 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,360 Hard to say. 348 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,440 There's always a question of confirmation bias, you know. 349 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,320 People only see what they already believe, right? 350 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,440 Oh, yeah, right. 351 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,920 A bit like, ah, wishful thinking. 352 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Yeah, a bit like that. 353 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,760 How long ago did your wife pass away? 354 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,880 Two... two years now. 355 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,720 Ohh. 356 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Must be hard. 357 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Must be hard. 358 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,560 - Thanks. - Being a single dad. 359 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,920 Teenage daughter. 360 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,360 No, well, you know, we... we... we cope. 361 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,640 Sometimes the only way is through. 362 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,600 No, no, no, things are tricky, you know? 363 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,040 I mean... I mean, if you're ready to move on, I mean... 364 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,760 ..how's... how's your daughter gonna feel about it? 365 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,880 Cross that bridge when we get to it. 366 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,120 Do you want some tea? 367 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,920 - No, I've got protein. - You sure? 368 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,480 - Alright. - Thank you. 369 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,040 - Shawn? - Yeah? 370 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:31,480 Get off the floor, please. 371 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,920 - Get up off the floor. - Alright. 372 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,040 Hey! 373 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,200 Hey, I was thinking tonight we could do, like... 374 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,560 - ..a pamper date at my house. 375 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Sorry, um... 376 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,720 I... I thought you weren't speaking to me. 377 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:56,920 Wait, what? 378 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,400 Yeah, I mean, you were just 379 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,000 really upset on the phone the other day, so I wasn't sure... 380 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,920 really upset on the phone the other day, so I wasn't sure... 381 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,320 Oh, I'd had like... 382 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,040 ..quite a lot to drink. 383 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,080 But I'm over it. 384 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,200 Please? 385 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,920 We can do, like, face masks and shit. 386 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,920 - We can braid each other's hair. 387 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,920 Cut up some cucumbers. 388 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,040 - OK. - Make mimosas. 389 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,600 I'm sold. I, um... 390 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,680 I would really love a pamper date. 391 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:27,920 Well, just bring your cute face, 392 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,600 'cause I've got everything else. 393 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,640 OK. 394 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,480 - Sorry. - It's alright. 395 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,440 Hey... 396 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,920 Hey. 397 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,560 Do you wanna get a cheeky drink after court? 398 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,920 I would love that, but, um... 399 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,520 ..Gretel's coming over now. 400 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,000 She just doesn't get it. 401 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,920 Mmm. 402 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,160 Well, good luck. 403 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,160 Well, there's a kiosk. 404 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Or we could have a walk and sit at a table somewhere. 405 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,680 Ooh, we'd better stay close to the courthouse. 406 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680 - Hi, Bob? - Yeah? 407 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 - Hi, I'm Vincent. - Oh, hi. 408 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,080 - I'm Louella. - Hi. 409 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,080 They're friends of Amanda. 410 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:27,120 Oh, well, it's... it's very nice to hear. Hmm. 411 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,440 Ah, do you want to join us for lunch? 412 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Yeah, uh, we'd love to have you. 413 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Um... 414 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,040 Shall we? 415 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,920 Oh, alright. 416 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,120 It's gotta be better than anything 417 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,920 that Colby prick's gonna dish up. 418 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,200 - Just this way. - Thank you. Yeah. 419 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,800 - Listen, Nina. 420 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,160 Robert Jonathan Stephenson. 421 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,360 - Colby... 422 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,960 ..you're not seriously suggesting 423 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Bob Stephenson is our John? 424 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,440 No, but it got me thinking. 425 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,360 Wouldn't be the first cop 426 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,000 to investigate his own crime, by the way. 427 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,960 to investigate his own crime, by the way. 428 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Mm. 429 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,600 No, a lot of boys back in the day 430 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,120 who were named after their fathers, 431 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,960 they would use their middle name. 432 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,920 So, let's go back to the original investigation 433 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,880 and check on anyone 434 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,920 whose middle name is John, alright? 435 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,200 OK. 436 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,800 Detective Senior Sergeant... 437 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,680 Oh, do I still call you that, 438 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,640 given that you retired from the force 15 years ago? 439 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,760 Whatever you prefer. 440 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,000 Very well. Mr Stephenson it is, then. 441 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Mr Stephenson, during your career with the police force, 442 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,040 were you ever formally or otherwise charged with 443 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:39,040 intimidation or unorthodox police practices? 444 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,760 Well, all cops get complaints made about them. 445 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,800 But nothing against me has ever been upheld 446 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,400 and my record is unblemished. 447 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,040 But there was some animosity, wasn't there? 448 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,720 Prior to those murders, 449 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,920 you felt that Alan Chaplin humiliated you. 450 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,920 Objection. Relevance. 451 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Mr Colby? 452 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Mr Colby? 453 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Your Honour, uh... 454 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,960 ..if it's a matter of an historical crime 455 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,480 being aired in this court against my client, 456 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,440 then surely it's only fair that 457 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,640 the history between my client and the witness 458 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,200 is also heard here. 459 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,200 I'll allow it. 460 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,720 Thank you, Your Honour. 461 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520 Now, Mr Stephenson, can you confirm 462 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,520 the theft of your police squad car 463 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,800 from Cape Rock Police Station on June 23, 1968? 464 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,960 Yes. 465 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,920 That Alan Chaplin and his friends 466 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,960 were responsible for that theft. 467 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Yes. 468 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,920 Nasty cut you got there. 469 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,920 - It's no big deal. - Isn't it? 470 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,600 - That what you reckon? - It's my head. 471 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,080 It was my fucking car. 472 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,920 I don't know what you're talking about. 473 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,560 Were you driving? 474 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,240 How can I? I don't have my licence. 475 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,720 Listen, smart-arse, I know you and your mates 476 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,920 stole my squad car. 477 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Driving without a licence 478 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,920 Driving without a licence 479 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,680 is the least of your problems. 480 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,680 I don't know who took your car for a spin, 481 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,560 but maybe you shouldn't leave the keys in it next time. 482 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Not everyone around here can be trusted. 483 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,360 And is it fair to say that 484 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640 as a result, you were the subject of considerable mirth 485 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,960 among your colleagues? 486 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Here he is. 487 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,720 Bingle Bob! 488 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640 Got your car keys, mate? 489 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Oops. 490 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Yes. 491 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,920 Move along now, Mr Colby. 492 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Indeed, Your Honour. 493 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,800 Now, I draw the court's attention to 494 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,120 page 16 of the police report 495 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,600 from the Cape Rock murder investigation. 496 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,360 Exhibit 31, please. 497 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,840 Mr Stephenson, do you recognise this police incident report 498 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,120 dated September 19, 1968? 499 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,000 Yes, yes - this is my preliminary report 500 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Yes, yes - this is my preliminary report 501 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920 on discovering the victims' bodies at Cape Rock Beach. 502 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600 Mmm. Exhibit 32, please. 503 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,800 You now have a copy of the initial notes in front of you. 504 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,520 Can you read the highlighted section to the court, please? 505 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Ah, yes. Um... 506 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,320 Um... Uh... 507 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,320 When you're ready, Mr Stephenson. 508 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,360 It's very small, the... the print. It's... 509 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,800 These are your original notes, are they not? 510 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960 Well, yes, but you must realise 511 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,920 I made these notes on the beach that morning. 512 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,800 And it was pretty windy, as I recall. 513 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,200 No, of course, of course. 514 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040 Continue when you can, Mr Stephenson. 515 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,920 Right, um... 516 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480 Um... er... 517 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,600 Yes, the, uh... 518 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320 The female body blow... 519 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,680 ..uh, below the time... 520 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,600 ..tide... tide line... 521 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,880 The female body below the tide line... 522 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,800 ..um, was... 523 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,880 ..with, um... 524 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,400 Contusions, Mr Stephenson. Does that ring a bell? 525 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Contusions, yes. Yes, that's what... 526 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,440 That's what that would be. 527 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Um... 528 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,000 And the... the Mead... 529 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,520 - Female. Female. - What? The... 530 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,560 Yes, it says female, but the... the female was Miss Mead. 531 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,160 Do you need a moment, Mr Stephenson? 532 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,480 Er, I... I'm fine, thank you. 533 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,040 Perhaps for your own comfort, um, 534 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,400 we can come back to the case notes later on. 535 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000 Now, you said you met Amanda Taylor 536 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,000 in July 2021. 537 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,640 in July 2021. 538 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,520 Is that correct? 539 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,920 It was about mid-year, around that time. 540 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,360 Around that time. 541 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,920 In fact, it couldn't have been before December of that year, 542 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680 as it was Judith Donnelly's sister, Carol, 543 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,440 who gave you the introduction after she met Amanda 544 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,880 in late November. 545 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,920 Uh, alright, alright. 546 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,520 M... May, November. What does it matter? 547 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,760 I met with her. 548 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,720 I put it to you, Mr Stephenson, that it does matter. 549 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,040 As a police officer and a witness in this court, 550 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,040 it is your duty to present the facts, isn't it? 551 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,640 Of course. 552 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,280 You see, um, some things you remember with great clarity, 553 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,480 and other things you don't seem to remember at all, 554 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,560 like the details of what Miss Taylor told you. 555 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Are you remembering those or are you misremembering those? 556 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,840 I did not misremember. Look... 557 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,640 OK, Judith called me... 558 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Judith rang you? Is that what you said? 559 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,600 Sorry, what? 560 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,000 You said Judith called you. 561 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,560 You said Judith called you. 562 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,200 Carol, Carol. I meant Carol, obviously. 563 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Do you take regular medication, Mr Stephenson? 564 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Yes. 565 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Have you been prescribed donepezil? 566 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,480 I have. 567 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,520 It's for occasional memory loss, mild dementia and so on. 568 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 You bloody grub. 569 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000 Your Honour, could I suggest an adjournment 570 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,800 given the witness's age? 571 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,640 It's been a very long day. 572 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Your Honour, the witness is perfectly competent to continue. 573 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,320 The witness's competence 574 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280 wasn't remarked upon by the defence, Ms Nicholls. 575 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920 You have an early mark, Mr Stephenson. 576 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240 - Court is adjourned. 577 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,400 Bob. 578 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,600 Beth! 579 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,680 Alan was nothing like his father and you damn well know it. 580 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,920 Beth, you really should not be talking to me, alright? 581 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,400 You know, you never once hinted to me 582 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,000 that you thought he could have done it. 583 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Not once. 584 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280 And now, what, you tell the world now, 585 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,280 and never say anything to me, even over 50 years? 586 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720 Look, Beth, let's just leave it there, alright? 587 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,920 That was a low blow, if you ask me. 588 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,200 That poor detective. 589 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Well, ageism is actually one of the last 590 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,720 socially acceptable forms of bullying. 591 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,840 See you tomorrow. 592 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,080 Along with nerdism, right? 593 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,240 We're not all doddery and incontinent, you know? 594 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,680 Or sexually inactive. 595 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720 OK, Denise, that is too much information. 596 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,240 An older cop would have totally been racially profiling. 597 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,440 I mean, that's why ACAB. 598 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840 - Exactly. - Not all cops are bastards. 599 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,920 - I am obsessed with her. - I love her. 600 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920 - I just wanna be her! 601 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520 MARILYN ON PHONE: Bassam, it's Marilyn Thorne here. 602 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,920 I'm not sure why you didn't return my call this morning, 603 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000 but there's no need to call me back. 604 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,400 but there's no need to call me back. 605 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080 The matter has been resolved. Thank you. 606 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,240 Bassam? Hello. 607 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,920 Marilyn, hey. Hey, how are you doing? 608 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,880 I'm so sorry, I must have, um... 609 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,360 ..deleted your message or something. 610 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,160 I didn't get it. But what's happened? 611 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680 - This yours? - Oh, yes, thank you. 612 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,000 - Ultra healing? - Yes. 613 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640 You don't need any healing. You're perfect! 614 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,320 Hey, I was just wondering if you... if you wanted to, uh, 615 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400 come for a free PT session tomorrow morning? 616 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080 - Personal training. - Oh! 617 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,000 Yeah, I'm offering it to the whole group. 618 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160 - Sure. OK. - Great. 619 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,320 Uh, see you tomorrow, one hour before. 620 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,800 I'll see you tomorrow, Blake. 621 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,920 - 'Bye. - See... see ya. 622 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,720 Bassam, are you alright? 623 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,680 Yes. I've gotta get home. 624 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,240 I'll talk to you tomorrow. 625 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Oh, OK. 626 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Salma? 627 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,920 Salma? 628 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Headphones. 629 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,880 Is there something you want to tell me? 630 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,600 It was Hayley. 631 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840 She took full responsibility. And Katie as well. 632 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Oh, you're kidding. 633 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,080 Where were you when this was all happening? 634 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,600 - I was... I was asleep. - You were asleep? 635 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120 Yeah, and they snuck out. They... they didn't tell me. 636 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,160 OK, and how did you know about Mrs Thorne 637 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,800 and why did you delete the message? 638 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 Because I knew she was going to assume it was me 639 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,160 and that you'd react this way. 640 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,920 OK. 641 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,920 Now, you need to listen to me carefully. 642 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240 I chose to resign. I chose it. 643 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,240 This has got nothing to do with racism. 644 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,160 It's about your future. 645 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,920 It's about... 646 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,400 ..opportunities, Salma. 647 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920 This is something your mother wanted. 648 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,800 This is something I want for you. 649 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,000 I know. Dad, I know. 650 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,160 I know. Dad, I know. 651 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Uh... 652 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,400 Just... I want to believe you, OK, but... 653 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,630 Then do. 654 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,080 Hey! 655 00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:27,880 How was it? 656 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,120 Yeah, it was a long day. 657 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:30,880 - But good. 658 00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:40,440 Uh, right. 659 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,630 OK. You got it? 660 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,120 - Yeah. - Nice. 661 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000 So, um, I spoke to Mum. 662 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,560 - Yeah? - And, um... 663 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,040 She says she can take me from tomorrow. 664 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:57,520 Well, I mean... 665 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Look, I'm... I'm happy to drive you the rest of the week. 666 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,240 I mean, it's... it's no trouble. 667 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,840 Yeah, but then you've gotta wait around for, like, an hour. 668 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,200 It is an hour, isn't it? 669 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,120 - It is an hour. - Um... 670 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,320 OK, well... 671 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,320 ..how about we came to an arrangement? 672 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,520 Yeah? 673 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,080 - Make a playlist. - Yeah? 674 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,720 - For the ride, yeah? - Mm-hm. 675 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,800 - Mm-hm? - Mm-hm. 676 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160 - That way, you get to rehab. 677 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,960 I get musical inspiration. 678 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,120 - And, you know, we call it even. 679 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,920 I don't know if that is even, technically, 680 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,160 'cause my playlists are legendary. 681 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,800 - No, I have... - To be honest with you. 682 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,680 I have heard this. There's a lot of buzz coming off them. 683 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,600 It's true. 684 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,520 And can I say, I'm... I'm kind of worried 685 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,360 - that this five-star service... 686 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,320 ..has obviously gone to your head. 687 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,240 Yeah. OK, look, alright, so... it's a deal. 688 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,760 - I will do it. - Yeah? 689 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,920 Playlist for pick-up. 690 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,920 - OK. - Thank you. 691 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,920 I'm still gonna feel pretty guilty, though. 692 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,760 Well, I think I'm the one 693 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,160 that decides on guilt around here, right? 694 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,000 - Oh, really? Oh, really? - Yeah. Yeah! 695 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,720 - Oh, really? Oh, really? - Yeah. Yeah! 696 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,840 I think this jury service has gone to your head. 697 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,840 Objection. 698 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,360 - Just shut up and drive. - Shut up and drive. - Done. 699 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,040 - Hey! 700 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,360 - Sorry I'm late. 701 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,120 So I ducked into my favourite place... 702 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,880 - Mmm? - Turbo Hardware. 703 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,040 And I got the right plugs. 704 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,480 - Mmm? - I think. 705 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,520 And the... the drill bit thingy to... hang the painting. 706 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,600 - Yes! - Yeah. 707 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,920 - Oh, good one! - What could possibly go wrong? 708 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,360 You'll just leave those with me. 709 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,760 I never wanna see those things again. 710 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,040 - You won't touch them again. - They're yours. 711 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,480 - That's awesome. Thank you. - They're yours. 712 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,080 That's the best present you've ever got me. 713 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,920 - Really? - How was the jury? 714 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,280 Ah, it was pretty interesting. 715 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,840 You know, this, uh... 716 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,600 This old cop testified today and got completely humiliated. 717 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,800 Mmm. 718 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,360 There were big chats in the jury room around ageism. 719 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,720 Yeah, OK, but what I'm really interested in is 720 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,920 how is Weird Blake going with the pharmacist? 721 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,400 It's... It's bad. 722 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,520 - Is it? - It's not going well. - Oh, no! 723 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,640 Hey, but, um... 724 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,920 ..I was... I was thinking about taking him up on the... 725 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,920 ..free training sessions this week. 726 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,760 - Excuse me! Really? - Yep. Yes, yes. OK, OK. 727 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,960 I'm gonna try it out and see if it's any good. 728 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160 Ooh, I'm gonna get front row tickets to the gun show! 729 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,360 - Oh, gosh, I'm sorry. 730 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,640 Look, there might... there might be a few comps. 731 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:23,640 But, um, hey, it... it does... it does mean that, um, 732 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,920 you know, I'm just gonna be a bit late this week. 733 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,640 - Oh, it's OK. - It's worth it? 734 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,680 I've gotta go to the toilet. 735 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,320 - For the gun show? - Oh, it's worth it. 736 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,320 - Let's never say that again. - No, it felt... 737 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,200 We are a family of love, not war. 738 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,920 OK, fuck, marry, kill. 739 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,840 Andrew, Denise 740 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,640 and... ooh, Sharon. 741 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,520 OK, I'd marry Denise, 742 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920 'cause she was literally a chiropractor 743 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,840 before she had kids, so she could crack my back every day. 744 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,040 Ah, that'd be the dream. 745 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,920 Um, I would fuck Andrew, because... 746 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,320 - ..piano fingers. 747 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,080 Wait, you've listened to his music? 748 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,000 Yeah. Yeah, he plays, like, this, um... 749 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040 Yeah. Yeah, he plays, like, this, um... 750 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,360 ..like, angsty, sad, early 2000s dad rock. 751 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,800 But it's, like, weirdly hot. 752 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,360 Yeah, and I'd fuck... I'd fuckin' kill Sharon. 753 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120 - Um, because who needs a reason? 754 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040 Nice one, Jude. 755 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,280 - Yeah. Cheers. - Cheers. 756 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,120 How do you get people to just tell you things? 757 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,880 What do you mean? 758 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,640 Like, with Andrew's music and with Camilla's job and... 759 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,160 Oh, I think people just like talking about themselves. 760 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,880 I think it's more than that. 761 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,800 Um... 762 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,520 I just say whatever shit comes to my mind. 763 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,240 I'm not considered, like you. 764 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,120 - You think I'm considered? - Yeah. 765 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,520 - I really like it. 766 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,560 OK, OK, well, if you know everything about everyone... 767 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,000 ..what do you think about Shawn's girlfriend? 768 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,120 ..what do you think about Shawn's girlfriend? 769 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,080 I think she came in a box. 770 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,920 Jazmyn, that's so mean! 771 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,320 She would come in a box. 772 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,800 Oh, OK. OK. 773 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,920 - Everything alright? - Yeah, just Rowan. 774 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,400 Says he's too tired to hang, 775 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,200 but then he's out with Molly or Stacey or whoever. 776 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920 Wait, so he's... he's out right now? 777 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,280 Like, out-out, with another girl? 778 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,360 Nah, he says he's with mates. 779 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,000 But he could be getting pegged by the door bitch. 780 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,600 Well, you know what? Fuck him. 781 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,880 OK. 782 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,440 Scoot. 783 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,280 I'm sorry, Jaz. 784 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,760 You guys... 785 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,680 What? 786 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,320 Uh... 787 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960 Sorry, I... I... I have to go. 788 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,920 - Wait, what? - Yeah, sorry. 789 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,400 I... I feel like I'm getting a panic attack 790 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,480 and, um... 791 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,720 I need to be home. I need to be home. I'm sorry, I can't. 792 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,520 - I have to go. - Wait. 793 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,200 What the fuck, Gretel? 794 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,360 - Good man. - Yeah. 795 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,920 You actually cook a pretty decent steak. 796 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,400 Well, if I didn't, I'd starve out here. 797 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,000 You laughing at me? 798 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,400 Mmm. 799 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,040 Sort of, yeah. 800 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,560 Do you remember... 801 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640 ..taking me on that 'getting to know you' camp, 802 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,000 the camping trip, when I was, like, 12? 803 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,600 You were 11. 804 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,000 Right. 805 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,320 Right. 806 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,880 Do you remember that you told me 807 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,920 that if I didn't catch a fish, we were gonna starve? 808 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,920 Mmm. 809 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,080 And I was so hungry, I was... I was terrified. 810 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,640 Well, I call that incentive. 811 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,440 Right. 812 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,000 Was I that scary? 813 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,800 Not really, no. I just didn't know you. 814 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,600 No, well... 815 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,800 Right. 816 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,080 How did... 817 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,440 How did you and Mum meet? 818 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,640 'Cause you're, what, 20 years older than her? 819 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,200 I know, so... 820 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,640 So inappropriate. Yeah. 821 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:49,840 Well? 822 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,160 Oh, that's easy. That's, uh... 823 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,760 Charm, lots of charm. 824 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,880 And excellent company. 825 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:00,000 And extremely good looks. 826 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,560 And extremely good looks. 827 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,240 Fuck off, mate. You're not that good-looking. 828 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,040 No, no, no, no. Not me, you idiot. 829 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200 Your mother, Mere. 830 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,480 Oh, God, she was... 831 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,880 She was gorgeous. She was so beautiful. 832 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160 She could charm the birds out of the trees. 833 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,000 And, um... 834 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,040 She was funny. She was... 835 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,520 Oh, she was such fun. 836 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,040 I don't know what she saw in me, but... 837 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,560 Anyway, I couldn't believe my luck. 838 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,200 Didn't know you felt all that. 839 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,280 That's why I bought out here. 840 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,600 Well, next door, initially. 841 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,640 Wanting to settle down, and then... 842 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,080 ..you came along. 843 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,200 Never been so happy. 844 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,320 Well, what happened? 845 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,520 Nothing. Nothing... happened. 846 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,880 She just... 847 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,480 She was just never going to stay. 848 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,680 And I think I always knew that from the beginning. 849 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,120 Yeah. 850 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,120 Well... 851 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,920 But no hard feelings. She's a free spirit. 852 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,560 The only thing that made me miserable was that she was... 853 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,240 ..taking you, and that... 854 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,360 That gutted me. Yeah. 855 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,320 But there it was. Nothing to be done. 856 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080 Oh, it's Beth. I'd better take this. 857 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,480 - Beth. 858 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,200 Nicholls did what? 859 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,520 No, I only ask if you said anything 860 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,760 because, apparently, 861 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Beth had a visit from our esteemed colleague yesterday. 862 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,120 - Nicholls? - Yeah. 863 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000 Reminding Beth that it's the duty of the prosecution 864 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,840 Reminding Beth that it's the duty of the prosecution 865 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,320 to introduce all evidence, 866 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,920 whether it's in the state's interest or not, 867 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,960 and if Beth had anything new. 868 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,880 She said no. 869 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,320 She was fishing. 870 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040 She was, and it's a risky move because 871 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,720 if she finds John, 872 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,160 and whatever he has to say exonerates Alan, 873 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,560 then... she is fucked. 874 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,720 Mm-hm. 875 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,040 How are you going with those middle names, by the way? 876 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,560 I'm trying. 877 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,080 Good. 878 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,040 She did what? 879 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,000 Apparently they were vandalising the pool 880 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,840 and then two students fessed up, so... 881 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,640 But Salma wasn't involved? 882 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,920 I wanna believe that, I do. 883 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,520 - But you don't? - But I don't. 884 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,720 Ha. I mean, it's... 885 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,200 The thing is, I love her. I love her deeply. 886 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,920 But since her mum... 887 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,080 I don't know, I just think things have changed. 888 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,360 And I think it's because maybe she saw me fall apart, 889 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,920 you know, with... with what happened and... 890 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,800 ..and lost respect for me or something. 891 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,800 And I just can't seem to connect with her on that, you know? 892 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,400 And, um, I can't really talk to her about it or something. 893 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,680 I don't know. 894 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,800 Bassam, she... she doesn't have a mother to guide her now. 895 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,920 Yeah. 896 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,960 She's... she's just trying to... 897 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,440 ..make her own decisions, you know? 898 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,640 Mmm. 899 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,000 You know, when we lost my wife... 900 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,080 You know, when we lost my wife... 901 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,600 ..her sisters, they wanted to take Salma away from me. 902 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,920 I don't know, because maybe I was too young. 903 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,920 They thought I was too young. 904 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,920 Or I was grieving. I was grieving. 905 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,320 - Yeah. - Um... 906 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,760 Sometimes I think... 907 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,920 ..maybe... maybe it would have been for the best or something. 908 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,480 - You know? - No. 909 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,240 Look, I was raised by a single mother 910 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,400 and I turned out fantastic. 911 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,040 No, that's where you say, "Yes, I agree." 912 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,840 - Yes, ma'am. 913 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,560 No, but seriously, 914 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,680 my mother was a single mother because... 915 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800 ..we lost my dad to the fighting. 916 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,240 Bassam, I'm not questioning you being a single dad. 917 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,000 I'm just saying people... 918 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,840 People grieve differently. 919 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,240 - Hmm? - Yeah. 920 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,920 Look, you... you have literally resigned, 921 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,800 whereas Salma, she's coming out fighting like Muhammad Ali. 922 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,080 I'm... 923 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,720 I'm not resigned. 924 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,000 I'm just... 925 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,280 I'm just so tired. 926 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,400 Yeah. 927 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,200 - Good morning. 928 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,920 - Morning. - Morning. 929 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,240 - Morning, Sharon. - Morning. How are you? - Fine, good. How are you? 930 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,800 - Talk to her. - Thank you. 931 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,920 You're welcome. 932 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,120 He did great yesterday. 933 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,920 Mr Stephenson, 934 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000 how are you feeling today? 935 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,160 Fine, thank you. 936 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,040 Good. That's a relief. 937 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160 Now, you claimed yesterday you have always been certain 938 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,600 that a local man was responsible for the 1968 murders. 939 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,000 That's correct, yes. 940 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,920 That's correct, yes. 941 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,920 And consequently, you are here today 942 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,760 testifying against my client 943 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,280 because you subscribe to the state's theory 944 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,280 that he murdered Amanda Taylor 945 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,120 to cover up those crimes. 946 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,760 That's correct. 947 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,240 Now, Ms Taylor's father, Warren Little, 948 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,440 one of two prime suspects for the 1968 murders, 949 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,720 was he a local? 950 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,520 No, he wasn't. 951 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,040 So if her father wasn't a local, 952 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,400 why did you bother testing her DNA 953 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,480 against the semen sample in evidence? 954 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,640 Well, he was my colleague's favourite suspect and... 955 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,920 Well, I guess I was hoping I was wrong. 956 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,200 I see. 957 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,240 Now, Mr Stephenson, there was only one small area 958 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,720 of Susan Mead's dress 959 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,920 that contained a semen sample, wasn't there? 960 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,160 Yes. 961 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,560 How difficult is it to get DNA 962 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,600 from evidence that is more than 50 years old? 963 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,720 Objection. 964 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,000 The witness is not a forensic expert, Your Honour. 965 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,280 The witness is not a forensic expert, Your Honour. 966 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,760 Mr Colby? 967 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,440 Your Honour, as a long-serving detective, 968 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,240 Mr Stephenson has quite enough knowledge 969 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,000 to make an informed statement. 970 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,280 I'll allow it. 971 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,480 Collection and storage has improved over the decades, 972 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,560 but, um, samples prior to the 1980s can be contaminated, 973 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,200 so, yes, it is hard. 974 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,200 It's harder still if a small sample 975 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,920 has already been used for testing, correct? 976 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,320 Yes. 977 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,880 And in trying to match Amanda Taylor to that sample, 978 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,080 you used the last viable DNA evidence 979 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,640 in this case, did you not? 980 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,920 Look, I knew it was a risk at the time, 981 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,280 and, yes, now I regret taking it. 982 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,920 And as a result, 983 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,040 this critical piece of evidence 984 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,920 has been lost to police forever. 985 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,920 Yes, but look, none of us, 986 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,960 nobody, believed at the time 987 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,800 that we were somehow compromising some future case. 988 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,000 Did the detective in charge of this investigation 989 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,160 Did the detective in charge of this investigation 990 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:04,720 send an email to you and other officers involved 991 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,520 calling this "a royal stuff-up"? 992 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,920 Yes, I... That was the phrase he used, I think, yes. 993 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,680 Mr Stephenson, who was the other prime suspect for those murders? 994 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,120 Peter Wayne Flood. 995 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200 Was he ever charged with those crimes? 996 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,000 No. 997 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,760 By the time he was associated with 998 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,160 the Cape Rock area at the time of the murders, 999 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,000 he was already serving a double life sentence 1000 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,040 for the murders of two other young ladies. 1001 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,920 The police never had enough evidence 1002 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,440 to make a case against him. 1003 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,000 So has Mr Flood been in custody the entire time since? 1004 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,560 Yes... Well, no, uh... 1005 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:44,240 He was out briefly for two weeks, I think, in... 1988. 1006 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,120 Really? How did that happen? 1007 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,760 Well, he broke out of remand, waiting for a court hearing. 1008 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,800 Let's be specific, shall we? 1009 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,560 He broke into the ceiling of the remand toilets, 1010 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560 forced out metal air vents in an external wall 1011 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,000 and then scaled an 80-foot air conditioning tower 1012 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,960 and then scaled an 80-foot air conditioning tower 1013 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,920 before jumping off a roof 1014 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,640 onto a neighbouring building 1015 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:06,920 in order to escape. 1016 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,920 Is that correct? 1017 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,960 Well, something like that, yes. 1018 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,320 Yes, something like that. 1019 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,920 Based on that evidence, 1020 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,760 wouldn't you agree that Peter Wayne Flood 1021 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,920 was more than capable, 1022 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,240 20 years earlier, 1023 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,840 to climb a moderately steep headland in Cape Rock? 1024 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,680 If you put it like that, 1025 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,800 I mean, I suppose it's possible, but... 1026 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,440 Yes or no, Mr Stephenson? 1027 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000 Alright, yes. 1028 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,040 Speak up, Mr Stephenson, so the court can hear you. 1029 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,600 Yes! 1030 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,680 Thank you. 1031 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,560 Now, summing up. 1032 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960 In your relentless effort to find a perpetrator 1033 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,200 for the 1968 crimes... 1034 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,200 ..you've made mistake after mistake. 1035 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,480 You've jumped from one wrong assumption to another. 1036 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,800 And now you've landed on my client, 1037 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,000 simply because he is guilty of being a local. 1038 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,160 simply because he is guilty of being a local. 1039 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,920 So I put it to you, sir, 1040 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,720 that it was not your colleagues that were guilty... 1041 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,560 ..of tunnel vision. 1042 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,280 It was you. 1043 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,440 You understand it wasn't personal in there, Detective. 1044 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,400 It's... 1045 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,200 Well, you know how it goes. 1046 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,960 You may be very clever, Mr Colby, 1047 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,160 humiliating me, 1048 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,680 poking holes in my memory. 1049 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,200 But I remember the important things. 1050 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,680 Like I remember the look on that family's faces 1051 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,000 when I told them about their daughter. 1052 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,000 And I remember how they died without any answers. 1053 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,120 And I remember how they died without any answers. 1054 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,800 I have to live with that. 1055 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,560 'Cause, you see, to some people, Mr Colby, 1056 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,400 the truth matters. 1057 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,280 Let's go, Bob. 1058 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,640 Yeah. 1059 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,440 - Salma? 1060 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000 Yeah.74731

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