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My fellow citizens.

At this hour,
American and coalition forces

are in the early stages
of military operations

to disarm Iraq,
to free its people,

and to defend the world
from grave danger.

On my orders,

coalition forces
have begun striking

selected targets
of military importance

to undermine Saddam Hussein's
ability to wage war.

These are opening stages

of what will be a broad
and concerted campaign.

Allegations of sexual assault

spanning more
than three decades.

I want to extend
to the people of Haiti

the unwavering support
of the American people.

The heroes without
a shadow of a doubt to me

are the whistleblowers.

He's accused of leaking
classified information

and faces felony charges
here in the United States.

Why did you become
a whistleblower?

There's a difference
between knowing something

and doing something about it.

We need transparency
into how Facebook operates.

I think a whistleblower
should be protected

if the whistleblower's
legitimate.

My house was bugged.
I knew I was being hacked.

I knew I was being surveilled.

It's like being hurt
by your own family.

Whistleblowers

claims that vote leave
cheated the rules.

Out of a scheme
to affect the primaries

and ultimately the election.

It's not reality.

They're basically
lying to people.

Shouldn't
you be in gaza, Mr. Blair?

Shouldn't you be in gaza?

Suddenly you have to choose

where your loyalties lie.

Why won't you listen
to what I have to say?

When you open your papers,
behind every headline

of an enron, a theranos,
a scandal,

there is always a human being.

There's always a whistleblower

who brought
that information to light.

I think it's often
we take for granted

that this information
made its way to us.

But it only sees
the light of day

because some brave individual
decided to speak up

against powerful institutions

to bring
that information to light

so that we might all benefit.

We're in a moment now,
in a historical moment,

where there's
a very powerful idea

that feminism has done its job,
that we have equality,

um, and that women
have an equal public voice.

Um, and actually,
women are in some...

Many ways encouraged
to have a voice.

In many ways,
culture encourages us as women

to speak up and to speak out.

And yet, um,
when women do speak up

and do speak out,

and when they
actually challenge power

with their voices,

they are routinely punished,
um, for doing so.

Okay.

It's just to synchronize

- these two cameras.
- Right.

I'll do that
every now and again.

Well, gchq stands for government
communications headquarters.

Uh, it's based in cheltenham,

uh, and it's,
uh, an organization

that basically
intercepts, uh, communications.

Um, whether that's phone,
fax, mobile, email,

uh, any sort of data
that's transmitted.

I would just, um,
listen to raw data,

raw intercepted, um,
communication,

and then produce a report

and submit it to, um, you know,

one of the UK ministries...
Um, the home office,

the foreign office
or other places like that.

But, you know, to be honest,
it was fairly mundane.

A very kind of normal,

sort of "normal," uh,
office environment,

um, gossip and, you know,
joshing with your colleagues

and that sort of thing.

When we started
at gchq on the first day,

they tell you
what your legal obligations are,

that you're bound
by the official secrets act.

I told my parents
that I was working at gchq.

I told my husband,
I told my friends,

but I said, "I can't
discuss my work with you.

Uses my language skills,
but that's all I can say."

And my husband was like, "oh,

she's got a good
civil service job," you know?

"Nice."

And that's what I thought,

you know,
a... a job for life, basically.

In September of 2002,

I was invited,
along with my line manager,

to go to the us
for a work conference.

And we went to San Diego

and while we were
at the work conference,

um, as part
of our sort of free day,

um, they said,
"would you like to go

on the naval base?"

And, you know, we can go...

And actually go on
board an aircraft carrier.

It was the first time

I'd been on
any kind of military hardware.

All these kids looked

like they were
18 or 17, you know?

They were
so fresh-faced and young.

And we asked
one of these young lads,

and we were like,
"what are you doing?"

'Cause they were busy.

And they said,
"oh, we're shipping off

to the Gulf in three days,"
you know?

And, uh, "we just hold this...
This ship out of retirement.

We've been painting it
gunmetal gray.

And we're... you know,
we're going to go off

to whoop some Iraqi ass."

And I was...
Me and my line manager

just kind of
looked at each other

and we were like, "what?

This is serious.

You know, they're not...

Just messing around here."

I suddenly thought,
"wait a minute,

what has Iraq
got to do with 9/11?"

I was convinced, you know,

that the... the Iraq invasion

would be ill... illegal,

that there was
no real justification for it.

On the 31st of January,
I went into work as usual.

It was a Friday,
I sat down at my desk,

and, uh, I was looking
at the various emails

that had come in,
and there was one from the us.

It was from, uh,
the national security agency.

It was basically an email

that, um, asked UK, or gchq,

to assist the us

in collecting the communications

of, um, the six swing nations

that were sitting
on the UN security council,

uh, at that time.

So, that was, uh, countries
like Angola, Bulgaria,

Chile, Cameroon,
Guinea and Pakistan.

So, those six nations.

And the memo was written

in... in such a way
that it was kind of very...

It was sort of, you know,

"look, guys,
this is what we're doing."

You know, "help us out here."

And we need, quote,
"the whole gamut of information

that would give us policymakers

an edge in obtaining results
favorable to us goals."

And that one sentence
justjumped out and hit me.

And I thought, "they want war

and they want to get it
by any means necessary,

including sub...
Subverting the diplomats

at the UN security council.

Blackmailing them, bribing them,

whatever it took...

To persuade them
to vote for this UN resolution

that would authorize
an invasion of Iraq.

And it was just like this
"oh, my god" moment.

I was shocked,
I was angry and I was appalled.

Because I thought
we're basically...

Colluding...

For the purpose
of launching an illegal war.

Tony Blair at the time
desperately wanted

UN authorization for legitimacy,

basically to cover
his own kind of, uh, reputation.

It would be
devastating for, uh, people

who had already

basically suffered 20 years

of, um, war

and sanctions already.

You know, there were
generations of young Iraqis

who have grown up
knowing nothing

but this
sort of chaos and horror.

It was like
I was blinkered, basically.

I felt like I literally
could think of nothing else

except what was going to happen

to, um...

The nation of Iraq

a... and to some extent,
the British armed forces

who were going to be deployed.

National security, ibeheve,

should be in the interests

of the British public.

Anybody else
on the London bombing?

Those actions led

in the direct opposite direction

of British national security.

Launching an illegal war,

which mi5 themselves

argued in reports would lead

to increased risks
of terrorism and... terrorism

within the UK

and any British interests

around the globe.

And they were going to do that

through this subversive,

illegal, immoral way.

And I thought, you know,

"this isn't
what I signed up to do."

I'd kind of seen
behind the curtain

and the inner workings
of government

to an extent
that I hadn't seen before.

I went home that weekend,

I was completely obsessed
by what I had seen,

but I couldn't tell anybody.

I didn't tell my husband.

If you marry anybody
outside the agency,

you do not discuss
your work with them.

I just instantly knew
it was explosive material

and that it had the potential
to possibly derail the war,

that it literally
was exposing a corruption

of the UN diplomatic processes

for the purposes of a war.

We owe it to our children,
our children's children,

to free the world from,

uh, weapons of mass destruction

in the hands of those
who hate freedom.

This is a man who...

Has poisoned his own people.

It may well be
that under international law,

as presently constituted,

a regime can
systematically brutalize

and oppress its people.

And there's nothing
anyone can do

when dialogue, diplomacy,
even sanctions fail.

Unless it comes
within the definition

of a humanitarian catastrophe.

Downing street
insisted Mr. Blair

was just trying
to start a debate,

but to many, it sounded like

he was trying to enshrine
a new legal right

to launch preemptive attacks.

Suddenly, you have to choose

where your loyalties lie.

Do your loyalties lie

with your employer,

with the state,

or do they lie

at a sort of deeper level,

um, with humanity, with...

We are just now
beginning to learn

the extent of the devastation.

But the reports
and images that we've seen

of collapsed hospitals,
crumbled homes

and men and women
carrying their injured neighbors

through the streets
are truly heart-wrenching.

The enriquillo-plantain
garden fault

runs right beneath the capital,
Port-au-Prince.

It's thought that
it hasn't slipped for centuries.

Last night it did,

releasing all that energy
as a devastating quake.

So many people
are in need of assistance.

The port continues to be closed

and the roads are damaged.

Food is scarce.

Waiting
outside the main hospital,

injured people
can only hope for treatment.

- Mm.
- Twelve.

When I saw the oxfam job,

you know, has such
an amazing reputation and...

And I just thought, you know,

"wow,
wouldn't that be incredible?"

And when I got invited
in front of you,

I was just so made up.

And I remember
walking through that door

thinking, "oh, my gosh,
this is oxfam."

And thinking, um, you know,

"it would be an absolute dream
to work for this organization."

And when they
offered me the job,

I was just,
you know, bowled over.

And my first few years
were just so inspiring.

I'd been working in hr,

um, basically
heading up the hr team

for the middle east
and former Soviet states,

and I was, uh, approached

to help with a problem in Haiti.

"Something's happened
in one of our programs,

and we need, um,
someone with hr experience

to go out there."

I knew very little about it.

Not really sure what to expect

and was really taken aback

by the, um... the allegations
that were being made.

When I arrived in Haiti airport,

the first thing you met
was just a crush of people.

Um, you know, it wasn't
in the immediate months

after the earthquake,
it was sometime after.

But even then, there was
still so many aid workers

coming in and out
of Port-au-Prince.

And then you go out,
and just desolation everywhere.

There were still people
in tents everywhere,

on every single patch of land,

just tent after tent
after tent of people

still not in proper homes

or with proper running water.

And I was really shocked
by how bad things were still.

When I went out there,

um, I wasn't directly involved

in the investigation,

but, um, I heard
a lot of what was going on

and it was shocking.

You have people in
an exceptional position of power

working with people
who are incredibly vulnerable

and incredibly dependent,

particularly
after, um, you know,

a natural disaster or conflicts.

Port-au-Prince had been
absolutely decimated.

These women had nothing

and these aid workers
were there to help them.

Yet they were
exploiting them for sex

and taking advantage of the fact

that they were desperate
for... for money.

What are your choices?

Who do you go to?

Things have collapsed.

There's no
police officer to go to

because all the systems
you normally expect

aren't there in place.

You may be... have
no family or friends left

who've survived the disaster.

You could be on your own.

Some individuals
even now will say,

"oh, for example, in Haiti,
they... they were sex workers,

they were prostitutes."

And it just makes me mad
when I hear that

because they were
earthquake survivors

who had no choice.

You know, some of the women,
you... had babies, children,

and they had to make
the most awful of decisions

to prioritize the basic
needs of their children

by having sex with these men

in order to get the money
that they... they needed.

You know,
really vulnerable position

that these people were in

and the aid workers
who were there to help didn't.

The person who come
to help became a predator

and the person
that is already a victim

of a natural disaster

become actually a prey.

You know, I... I think,
like many people at the time,

I thought, "this is absolutely,
you know, appalling."

But you think
maybe it's a one-off.

I came back

and I became oxfam's
global head of safeguarding

in 2012.

And then I traveled
to more countries,

and it became evident,
sadly, quite quickly

that this wasn't...
This wasn't one country.

This was happening across many,
many of our country programs.

And it was the same story.

It was... very commonly,
I was hearing

principally women, um, in
the most vulnerable positions.

So, women who were divorced,
lost their partners,

who were
in low-paid work, cleaners,

um, people looking to get jobs.

They were the ones
being targeted.

And the people who were abusing

were, um, men
in positions of power.

Managers who were
abusing that position

to coerce people into sex.

But not just coercion, not...

There was, you know,
what I was hearing as well...

People were being raped.

There were
so many allegations coming in

within the actual offices.

And this is happening to them.

What is happening
to those people

out in... out
in the refugee camps,

um, in some
of the most vulnerable positions

that they can possibly be

in some of the countries
oxfam works in?

Um, to be raped
can be a criminal offense.

You know, if you're married,

you've effectively
had sex out of marriage,

um, and you could be
putting your life at risk

by disclosing
that that's happened.

The shame
it could bring on a woman

could mean that she has
to leave her village.

I mean, people are trusting you
quite literally with their lives

when they tell you these things.

And... and that doesn't
happen straight away.

It takes months
to build those relationships.

But built
those relationships, we did.

And... and more
and more allegations

were... were coming in.

What we're talking here about

is systemic sexual
exploitation and abuse.

And by that, I mean rape

and, um, sexual abuse
in all its form

of both adults and children.

That... that's
what I was hearing.

The... the aid sector, you're
meant to be there to help.

The fundamental principle of
the aid sector is, "do no harm."

And that wasn't the case.

And I wasn't thinking about
consequences to myself at all.

It was just, "how do I
get this information out

in... in a way
that will best protect me

from being discovered?"

The only person I could contact

was somebody who I knew,
who I never named.

I knew
they had met Yvonne Ridley,

who was a journalist

who had her own, uh,
extraordinary story

of being captured
by the Taliban in Afghanistan

and then subsequently
converting to islam.

I... I phoned my contact
and I said,

"look, I've seen something
at work which is explosive.

I... I really think

it's imp... important information
that should come out.

The public should be
aware of this."

And they said, "send it to me."

So, on Monday,
I went back into work.

I was not at my usual work desk.

And I thought
that was a ideal moment

to do something that I knew

I wasn't supposed to be doing.

I printed off the memo
and I folded it up

and put it in my handbag.

I felt like
I had a big sign on my head

that was alerting everybody

to my, um... you know,
my "criminal activity."

And I felt like everybody
could see it on my face.

It was just so,
um, nerve-racking.

And when I got out of work,

I posted the, urn, email
to this contact,

and then we decided

not to have
any contact between us.

It was like, "okay, this is it.

We're not going
to contact each other.

We're not going
to discuss this."

So, I had no idea
what was going to happen

to that email.

It was completely
and utterly out of the blue

when I went to buy
a newspaper, the observer,

which was what I usually
got on a Sunday morning.

And there was the email
right on the front pages

of the newspaper.

Utterly, utterly
terrified at that moment.

Threw the newspaper
down on the bed...

My husband
was still half asleep...

And... and said, "read it.

He'd never seen me
in such a state.

I was running to the toilet,

heaving my guts out.

Basically, I was
in a state of panic.

I didn't really know what to do.

I was just utterly

unable to function normally.

And I thought,
"how can I carry on like this?

How can I even work there

when I've broken
their trust to that degree?"

So, I went to work.

I went into my office
and my manager was like,

"what are you doing here?
I thought you were sick?"

And I said,
"can I have a word with you?"

And we went into a side office

and I just told her
straight off,

"I did it."

And she was like,
"oh, Katharine!"

And she was stunned.

And she put her arm
around my shoulder

and she was like, "oh-ii

and I actually felt
relieved by this stage.

I'd unburdened myself

of this enormous, um, weight

of guilt and kind of...

Anxiety.

And I was hoping
that they would somehow go,

"yeah, you know what?

It's incredible to think this,

but, you know...

"You've really
justified your actions

a... and, you know, the war...

Uh, is wrong

and we shouldn't be going
to war and well done, you."

After we had lunch

and went back
to the security offices,

and they said...

"Well, you have to stay here

because, um, special branch

are on their way
down from London."

At that point

I thought...

"Ho."

"Okay.

I'm in deep, deep trouble."

As the scale of
the abuse became apparent to me,

um, I was going
to the organization repeatedly,

saying "we...
We need more resource

to tackle
the scale of this problem.

And very disappointingly, that
resource wasn't forthcoming.

Things really came to head...
I... I'll never forget,

you know, this for me
was the... the turning point.

Um, we'd gone out

and surveyed
four country programs,

over 120 people,
and the results came back.

And... and effectively
they were saying,

"one in ten of our workers

had witnessed or experienced,

um, sexual exploitation
or abuse."

And... and in one country,
it was 7% were saying

they'd witnessed or experienced
rape or attempted rape.

And I said, "you know,

this needs to be presented
to the chief executive,

to the leadership team."

Um, and they said,
"yeah, you've got your slots,"

I had all my reports ready.

And I was thinking,
"this is the moment,

this is the moment

where the organization
is gonna really see

what I'm saying
a... and take action."

I'll never forget.

Uh, an hour before I was due to,

um, uh... to go on

and... and I got this call and...
And basically they're like,

"you're no longer
needed, Helen."

I was like, "what do you mean
I'm no longer needed?"

And they're like, "oh, um,
they... they don't want you

to go in and speak to them."

And I just was
absolutely incredulous.

And I... I remember coming up
to my managers,

like, "what's going on here?"

I wrote to the chief executive
and I was like,

"what are we about if this is
not our number one priority?"

And... and his response was...
Um, he said, "oh, Helen,

I... we felt your report
said everything

that needed to be said.

Um, and, you know, we trust
that you've got it in hand."

I was like,
"I have not got this in hand."

"Why... why won't you listen
to what I have to say?"

I was in post until 2015

and I was getting promises,

but I wasn't seeing
the change needed.

And very sadly,
I reached a point

where I just
couldn't continue anymore.

I need to leave,
and... and leave I did.

I then took it
to the charity commission.

I thought,
"the charity commission,

they're going to do
something about this."

And what do they do?

They didn't
invite me for interview.

They didn't ask me
any questions.

You know,
you start to doubt yourself.

You think, "is this me?

Am I somehow missing something?"

Um, and they just
stopped replying in the end.

I think they just put me down
as some sort of, like,

you know, batty employee.

I don't know what they thought.

You know, should I have
gone to the press then?

I just, you know, I thought,

"well, if I've gone
to all these other people

and they've not acted,

will it make a difference
going to the press?"

And also, I was worried

about what angle
might they take,

how that story would be told,

and would... could...
Could there be a risk

of doing more harm than good?

I don't know whether that
was the right decision, um,

not to, but I decided not to,

at that point.

I'd just become, honestly,

a bit... bit obsessed about it.

It was everything
I thought about

and... and with a young child
and... and my husband

had been incredibly supportive.

But, you know,
we were getting to that point

where, you know, he was
like, "you got to let it go.

You've got... you know,

it's... it's re... you know,

it's reach..."

And... and it wasn't him.
It was me.

I had to let it go.

It was consuming me.

I was done with oxfam.

Um, and it was
really, really hard.

And I think the...

The really, really hard thing

was feeling
I'd failed those individuals.

And I've always been someone
who's been... you know,

I've always been someone
who can fix things.

I think just feeling so...

So utterly powerless...

Life was... you know,
was taken over.

And... and then I, um...

I got this text message

in February 2018, saying,

"Helen, there's going
to be something in the press.

Just want to warn you."

That story
by Sean O'Neill at the times

just absolutely
hit the headlines.

It wasn't me that went to Sean,

but when he did,
I started to get calls.

Um, you know...

It didn't take long
for people to work out

that I'd been
the head of safeguarding,

um, during this period of time.

And I was faced

with the biggest
decision of my life.

Do I talk publicly about this?

If you speak publicly,
you are going to be responsible

for people not giving
to the likes of oxfam.

And what harm
is that going to do?

Because if those donations
go down,

those people
who desperately need help

are not going to get help.

And... and also people
saying to me, you know,

"you're going
to pander to an agenda

to cut the aid budget.

You'll just be
lighting that fire."

I don't think
anyone can prepare you

for what it's actually
like to be a whistleblower.

There is this kind of...

Deep psychological reaction
to whistleblowing,

that I think
we can all relate to,

where no one likes to be
pointed out as in the wrong.

And people's response to that

can very often, at least
in what... what I see, be anger,

those kind of primal responses.

And people are met
with retaliation

and hostile behavior,

that actually
for a lot of people,

they're... they're
not going into it necessarily

with their eyes open.

Everything points
to internal reporting

because it's, uh, perceived
as safer for the whistleblower

and it's safer
for the organization.

Organizations are desperate, uh,
that they hear about wrongdoing

so they can rectify it

before the public
knows about it.

Excellent reporting is very
much... is a... a fail-safe.

You go to the regulator,
the police, an mp,

the press as a last resort

because you... the...
The problem's not been

dealt with internally.

So, people who go outside,

I think by definition

are aware that they
are being in... in brackets,

they might think
they're being disloyal.

They're aware
that they need some courage

and they're aware
that they are more likely

to suffer retaliation.

So, we're talking
about people here

who are driven.

The wrongdoing
is more important, uh, to them

than perhaps to other people.

I think when it comes
to retaliation

and when it comes
to understanding

what the risks are
of speaking up,

it can be very different,

you know, for different...
Different people.

And I think one thing
that might be different

specifically if you're a woman,

is just the trigger
of... of... of personal safety.

You know,
I do something very simple,

like go to the supermarket,
and if it's nighttime,

you know,
I have to be more cautious

than I think men have to be.

And so, to be constantly
on edge about, you know,

"will I make it
safe out of this?"

That omnipresent threat

of, "am I physically
going to be safe?"

I think is something
that's very different for women.

When women speak in a way

that actually really
does challenge, um, power,

whether that's patriarchal
power, state power,

um, other forms
of institutional power,

it's at that moment

that that... that the sort
of machinery of patriarchy,

the machinery of the state

comes into play to silence them.

Harvey weinstein denies

all non-consensual relations.

Over the last few days, though,
a-list stars have lined up

to condemn the man

who once had such power
over their careers.

Behind the scenes
of the new yorker

and New York times
exposés that came out,

I was being harassed
and bullied and terrorized

by Harvey weinstein.

I knew that people were
trying... like, bugging me.

I knew that my house was bugged.

I knew I was being hacked.

I knew I was being surveilled.

But in order to buy time
to get these articles written,

I wanted the articles
to come out before my book.

I just wanted
the articles to come...

I just wanted it to be done.

I wanted truth
to be out there and...

But at the same time,
I thought I had an nda.

I couldn't remember
if I had signed an nda or not

and I couldn't find
the document.

So, I was on the hunt
for this document

through... for 20 years.

You know,
it was like old law firms,

you know, all these
kind of legal maneuverings

and people that in the past,

when it happened to me,
were really playing his side.

As it turns out, I did not sign
a non-disclosure agreement

back in the day.

And at the 11th hour,
I found that document

to give to the New York times.

It was like the night
before the article came out,

I knew I was like...

It felt like
I had a rope in my hand

with a fireball
on the end of it.

And I was just going like this,

just like, "okay,
we're going in for a fight now."

This is going to be
the fight of your life."

And it was.

A contract
to keep it all private,

last night,
miss mcgowan went public.

Police are now
investigating allegations

of sexual assault
from nine different women

spanning more
than three decades.

It's just so rampant.

I think that's the thing
that takes your breath away.

It's shocking.

And the only way it stops
is with people coming forward.

And that's an incredibly
brave thing to do.

I was indeed warned before
I went into the hotel room

that Harvey was most likely
to be naked or semi-naked.

More than 30 women
have now come forward

and their allegations
reach back 30 years.

A terrible abuse of power

is what lies at the heart
of the weinstein story,

and the allegations against him

have shone a light onto
how power works in Hollywood.

The culture is so rooted in
and permeated in,

not necessarily every single
one being a sexual harasser,

but a sort of a boys' club.

Revelations of abuse and assault

are peeling back
the facade of Hollywood,

shattering reputations of
the powerful and the political.

The couple days afterwards,
it felt like...

It... it... it was
like the world blew up,

kind of, you know,

and my phone couldn't contain

the amount of messages
I was getting. Um...

And it felt like...

You know, it was like...
Damn... trial by fire.

And it felt like
I was open season

and I was fair game.

And I was.

The, uh... the interviewers

focused a lot on, uh,

just really degrading questions,

but I just felt like,
"if I don't do this,

who can do this?"

But is there any part of you

that has some sympathy
for that behavior,

or do you... how do you see it?

Like, do you see him as a victim

because he paints
himself as one?

I think it's, um...

If you had a dog
out there in the world

with his mind inside of it,

you would shoot that dog.

It would not be a safe dog
to be in the world.

But you also took $100,000
of Harvey weinstein's money,

didn't you?

Well, that's
very shaming of you to say.

I didn't take it.
I requested it.

I was trying to buy a billboard

that said
Harvey weinstein is a rapist.

And I do feel

that whole, "you took money"
thing is a bit like...

Do you understand

what this person
did to our careers?

You know, it was impossible.

Like, it was just every day,
it was, like, a new assault.

And what people
didn't understand was that...

There's actual trauma.

A lot of people
come up and they're like,

"I know
that was so hard, thank you."

And that's amazing.

Um, but I think
there's a lot of people

that are like...

Even on the left,
you know, you would think

everybody on the left

would be like,
"oh, she's amazing."

It's not so, because anybody
who upsets the status quo

upsets, period.

There was someone in Germany
who was interviewing me

and he said, uh,

"you're the one
who lays on barbed wire

so others
can walk in your back."

And that's what it felt like.

It felt like I was laying on,
like, flaming barbed wire

with, like,
the weight of the world

walking across my back
towards a better place.

And I was like, "okay,
that's what I'm here to do."

I was immediately
taken to the police station.

Taken down
into the custody suite

where they,
you know, sign you in,

take all your belongings

and phone and whatnot.

And I was put
in this cell, and I sat there

and sat there and sat there.

And, you know,
just didn't know what...

What was going to happen.

Meanwhile, my husband was going

to the police station,

going,
"please, can I see my wife?

Please, can I see my wife?"

So, he kept coming
and they kept sending him away.

Finally, he came

and we...
We had to talk in this room

with a glass partition.

He was on the other side
and I was on the inside.

It's very ironic
because my husband

was an asylum seeker

and he was
a failed asylum seeker

at this point,

and he'd actually
already spent a night

in the same custo...
Custody suite.

You know, not that many months

before I was sitting
in the same place, looking in.

And he knew how it would feel

because he'd been there before.

You know, "I'll be all right.

I'll be all right,
they can only hold me

for under 24 hours,"

you know,
"I'll be out tomorrow."

While all this was going on,

they were raiding our house.

They didn't want to interview me

until they'd searched the house.

And then
the next morning, you know,

uh, the, urn,
special branch, uh, detective

came and...
And I basically tell the police

exact same thing
that I told gchq.

And they said,
"thank you very much."

By this time,
it was nearly midday

and they were just
within the 24-hour window,

they had to let me go.

So, I was arrested,
but not charged at this point.

I was arrested
and bailed, released on bail.

I went home.

I could tell
the house had been searched,

things had been moved around,

and within three months

I was, um, dismissed
for gross misconduct.

And that was it.

And so, I was just in limbo.

I felt isolated

and I didn't know
who to turn to,

who to trust.

Eventually, a John wadham,

who was the director of Liberty
at the time, contacted me.

He clearly knew the law.

He clearly knew my predicament,

could understand it

and knew how he could help me.

It was
an enormous sense of relief.

You know, I was arrested

days after
the email was in the newspaper.

And then, you know,
the invasion began.

I was at home, I was watching TV

and I just wept.

I mean,
it was just soul-destroying.

The portent of war.

But if the siren
was meant to clear

the streets of Baghdad,
it wasn't needed.

That had happened hours before.

Soon came the sound of thunder.

But of course, it wasn't.

For this was a man-made storm.

Using an image intensifier

on one of oui' cameras,

we could pick out
exploding shells

in the pre-dawn sky.

In the city center,

the Iraqi gunners
were blazing away.

It was just horrendous.

And I felt like a hu...

A huge failure,
you know, I just...

The whole thing
seemed utterly futile.

There was
massive amounts of press.

And it's
just enormously daunting,

you know, to be the only person

sitting there, uh,
facing the judge

and the legal counsel

and all the, urn, journalists.

Um, and they ask you
to state your name.

I stated my name, um...

And then the def...
The prosecution said...

Um, "your honor, we have...

Insufficient evidence

for a realistic
prospect of conviction."

And, you know,
I was just sitting there going,

"it's all legal language.

I don't understand
what they're saying."

And then my defense team
stood up and challenged it.

They said, "what are you saying?

She confessed."

And then he said it again.

And this...
There was this back and forth.

And the judge was like,

"it... what... you know, explain.

Are you dropping charges?"

And then, you know, they said...

"Yes, my lord."

And then that was it.

The case was over.

And I was just... I was like...

"What?
Is this really happening?"

And then
everybody's kind of cheering.

And I walk out, I'm trembling,

and I walk out,
and I was just, like,

utterly overwhelmed.

Her relief
was there for all to see.

For months, Katharine gun
lived with the threat

of a two-year prison sentence.

Today, after a court appearance
lasting just 30 minutes,

she walked free.

I'm not prone to leak secrets

um, left, right and center,
um, but I felt that this was

a really, um, essential

and important issue

that needed
to get out to the public.

I was just over the moon
that they dropped the charges.

But on the other hand,
we don't know

why they dropped
the case against me.

One question unanswered.

I would like to know,
um, why they charged me

and then four months later
decided to drop it.

Yes, I would like to know.

It was this kind of anti-climax,

because I had geared myself up

for this trial.

I was determined to fight it.

And, you know,
we'd had all these

kind of high hopes
that we could use

the defense of necessity

to prove
that my actions were justified

and to argue
that the war in Iraq

had been illegal.

Ifeelhke
it was a missed opportunity,

really, to actually
expose so much at a time

when it really
would have made a difference.

And then I was
walking down the steps

and out... out of the building.

And then there was
this massive kind of wave

of journalists,
all their cameras

in front of my face,
and this young...

This woman brought me
a bunch of flowers.

And, you know,

it's just...
Everything's happening at once

and you don't know
where to look,

what to say, what to do.

It's funny.

Anyway, I... I went
and met my husband...

And I knew

there was
going to be this, um...

Massive rush of press
to try and get the human story.

And I was like,
"I... I don't want to face that."

So, we went down
to Brighton, to my great-aunt,

and we were like,

"can we spend
a few days with you

until the, you know,
circus has died down?"

And I just... I just wanted
to get back to normality.

What I find admi... admirable

is how they really see

the bigger picture,

which is to safeguard
the public interest

and also how selfless
they are as well.

Somebody is just trying
to solve a problem.

They're trying to go
about their normal lives.

They don't think of themselves
as a whistleblower.

Until the retaliation begins.

It's not for the faint-hearted,

for anyone who speaks out.

There's no guarantee
that you'll still be protected.

You make a lot of sacrifices.

Often, it could be end
of your job or your career.

It could have implications
around your family

and friends and connections,

or you've been
harassed or bullied.

And that has impacts

on your
mental health, wellbeing.

Where you work,

and especially depending
on the sort of work,

it forms a bit of your identity.

All these people that you love
and form a part of your networks

are suddenly against you,

and that has this
real kind of, um,

explosive effect internally

and... and can
really damage people.

This is a huge process of loss

that the individual
has to go through.

Um, and at the same time,
they're trying to process

that actually, what they did

was simply standing up
for something

that they believed was
the right thing to do.

And it can take, um, people

a long, long time to recover.

And I'm sure
that there's lots of people

who, unfortunately,
might not ever recover.

And... and that's
an awful price to pay.

People are experiencing,
as a result of doing this,

profound mental health effects.

And anecdotally, PTSD,

um, just seems quite a common...

Not common, but more
than you would imagine,

uh, result
of these sort of situations.

As the story broke, I thought,
"I've got to speak out."

Um, I remember
calling Cathy Newman

and... and saying,
"you know, Cathy,

I'm not sure I can do this,"

and... and I'd... I'd gone to her
because I thought

she was a reporter
who would do the story justice

in the sense of keeping
survivors at the heart of that.

You know, I thought
really, really long and hard.

Right up 'til half an hour

before I was going to get on
the train to give the interview,

and I had a call from a... a good
friend saying, "don't do this."

You know,
"just please, don't do this.

Just think of the impact
of what you're about to do."

But then the flip side...

There was this sense

that this story's got to be told

becauseifs
in the public domain now.

And if I stay silent on this,

I'm as bad as others.

Just thinking, "those people
who told me their stories,

who... who were brave enough

to tell me
about the abuse they suffered,

you know, if they were
brave enough to tell me,

I've got to be brave enough
to tell their story."

Oh, I don't know.

What was it
that got me on that train?

I'm just not sure,
actually, being honest.

But I did. I got on the train.

And I asked repeatedly,
"we need more resource,

we need more resource for this."

And it wasn't forthcoming.

And it was
just a continual fight

to try and get more resource.

And I just
found it so frustrating

because I felt that our failure

to adequately resource
was putting people at risk.

But it sounds
like they didn't take

those allegations seriously,

that women getting
harassed, assaulted, raped

didn't really sort of
register with the senior team?

I struggle to understand

why they didn't respond
immediately for that call

for additional resources.

I really struggle,
and I still struggle with that.

Every answer
was very considered.

She didn't drop the ball

at any point in the interview.

And that's quite unusual
for these kind of interviews.

Very often an interviewee

who's making allegations
of this sort is very nervous,

and they do worry
about the legal implications,

and they worry
about the personal repercussions

for them
in terms of career and future.

And so, sometimes,
there'll be lots of answers

that they want to redo.

But with Helen,
she was very smooth,

very calm, very professional.

Do you think
oxfam can survive this?

I do.

There are, behind oxfam,

thousands of committed,

dedicated, incredible staff.

Absolutely.

The things they do,

they put their lives
at risk every day.

They are amazing people.

In terms
of the senior leadership team,

I think there are
some people there

who need to think, look back,

what's happened
in the last few years,

and think, did they do
everything they needed to do

to keep the beneficiaries safe?

Uh, I rememberjust feeling
like I was physically shaking,

um, because it was so raw.

All I thought is,

"if people are
going to listen to you,

you've got to keep it together."

And I think also
for the first time,

feeling like
finally someone was...

Someone cared enough
and that finally, you know,

the... the world was waking up.

And I remember the next day,

um, I had, uh,
reporters at my door.

I... the phone
didn't stop ringing.

My social media

was just, like,
binging all the time.

The weeks and months afterwards

were just such a blur.

Oxfam's deputy chief executive,

penny Lawrence,
has already resigned.

Was there a cover-up?

Have you ruined
oxfam's reputation?

It's a culture of misogyny
against female employees,

female humanitarian workers

and the beneficiary population.

Complaints
of inappropriate behavior

were made by three women.

The hundreds
of thousands of people

who support oxfam every month
are compromised by this.

And to everybody,
I do apologize.

Oxfam was told tonight

it can't bid
for any more government money

until the department
for international development

is satisfied

it's made the necessary changes.

I knew there would be,
um, some backlash.

And I think, you know,
I thought it through.

I thought,
"yeah, there are going to be

people that are angry with me."

Um, it's very different
to experience it.

Now, I was living in Oxford,
where oxfam's headquarters are.

I was seeing people
day to day in the streets

who were associated
with the organization,

and... and they were angry.

And I get
why people were angry then,

because they're thinking,

"well, why's she
speaking up about this?

You know, what...
What's her real motivation is?

Is... is she in it for herself?"

And I think they thought,

"this is being
somehow overblown.

This isn't, you know...

This all
can't possibly be true."

At that point in time,
people didn't know

the full facts of the case.

There was one
particular moment with my son

where someone came up to me

and... and said
how they felt quite forcefully.

And I remember
just holding my son's hand.

And afterwards
he turned to me and he said,

"mummy, why are people
being bullies to you?"

Really, life started

to get incredibly difficult
for Helen.

She got spat at in the street

when she was out with Sammy.

She got shouted at.

Um, you know, 'cause people felt

that this was going to
impact jobs at oxfam.

But that was nothing
to do with the charitable work.

It was all to do
with poor leadership

andlack of leadership grip.

Whenever
I left the door, I didn't know

who was going to come up to me

and what they were going to say.

Um, and this has
never happened to me in my life.

I started to get panic attacks

because it's that sense

of almost like, you know...

It's kind of
a really basic human response

that someone's approaching you

and you... is to think, like,
"are they going to be friendly

or are they gonna be angry?

They've caught my eye.

They're going to
want to talk to me.

And what are they going to say?"

And just
your heart starts racing.

And... and I started to find

that was happening, um,
more and more.

And, um, it reached a point,

talking it through
with my husband,

when I just... I just said,

"I can't do this anymore.

I feel...
I feel the need to move.

Um, I just can't live
in Oxford anymore."

And that was just, um...

You know, that was
the most awful decision.

I felt so guilty

that I'd put my family
in this position,

and to take my husband

and my son away from their home

and from the city
that they loved...

Um, and I felt I'd let them down

by not being
strong enough to stick it out.

And I think when you...

When you leave something,
you kind of think,

"that's it, it's dealt with."

Um, but it doesn't,
these things follow you.

And, you know, sadly,
me and my husband...

Um, separated.

And, you know,
it's been really tough.

But it was really hard
because there was nobody...

Telling me what to do

and nobody that I could explain

how I felt... to.

So, yeah, it's...

I don't know
why I'm getting choked up

'cause I've
talked about this for,

like, 17 years already,

butlguess I've never talked

about the aftermath.

So, on the one hand, you feel

like you're
supposed to be overjoyed,

and obviously you are.

But as you say,
there's this baggage of trauma

that you haven't had...
You haven't processed,

and you need to process.

But you
don't know how to process.

So, I guess,
I haven't processed it.

But, um...

For the first
sort of two to five years...

Um, when I talked

about the actual episode itself,

uh, I got"

stressed,

uh, and raised tensions

and palpitations and so on.

But that stopped

after sort of five years.

But that was talking

about the episode.

It wasn't talking
about the aftermath.

And nobody talks
about the aftermath.

So, I think that's
the difference.

So, yeah.

No.

You know, people...
There's so much stigma

about being a whistleblower.

But, you know, there's a reason

why people whistleblow,

because you have to, and...

And... and that's
the hardest thing, you know.

People don't
whistleblow through choice.

And I think
people have always seen me...

And even as a whistleblower,

I've endeavored
to be this sort of,

you know, confident person
that I've always been.

But I remember
when I left oxfam,

just that sense of,

you know,
having let people down.

He's been helped down the line

and through it all
by, you know, horrible people.

I don't know what else they are.

I don't know
what else to call them.

Um, monsters.

You know, because he's got
something wrong in his head.

But what's wrong with them?

The complicity machine.

That's who I really went after.

That's who
I really wanted to target.

And that's why

the establishment
Rose up against me.

Because I was coming for them.

It's so massive
and prevalent, this problem.

And my goal was...
Was just to call a time-out.

I was like, "time-out,

I think we can be better."

No more.

There was
this massive groundswell

of people coming for,
you know, evildoers.

It was... but the support
I've gotten from the public

is incredible.

You know, I walk down the street

every day and someone gives me
a fist up

or says thank you.

But it was also really hard
because I think,

you know, when it was going off

and it was
just like an onslaught

in the world media, it was like

I was being triggered,

just like so many other people
were being triggered.

There's no renumeration.

You know,
there's no financial reward.

Um, people are like,
"you're doing it to get famous."

I'm like, "I was famous."

Um, I would say
now I'm a notable public figure.

I think I'm a strange creature

in the firmament of the world.

You know, I don't think people,

because of what he's done to me,

um... even including my family.

A lot of my family
doesn't really speak to me.

Because I think they believed,

you know,
all the, uh, horrible things.

I decided then to give up work

and I was a full-time,
uh, stay-at-home mom,

and financially,
we started to really struggle

by this stage.

Um, we weren't living
extravagantly by any means,

but, um, I...

We were basically getting,
uh, further and further

into the red, financially.

And I just thought
it was untenable.

Uh, and I didn't
really see a way out.

We decided to, um...

Make a go of it in Turkey.

But that's how
things are at the moment.

People speaking out

like Rose
and Helen and Katharine

is in all of our interests.

It is about brave,
exceptional individuals,

but actually,
it's about the whole of society

creating those conditions
to make speaking out safer,

to make speaking out
something that doesn't entail,

like, extreme costs
that have to be burdened

by these individual people.

We're not a healthy society
if we're letting some people,

you know, fall on the scrapheap.

Unless we make sure
that almost all of them

don't suffer
from whistleblowing,

we will never build a culture

where people feel comfortable
to do what we all agree.

You know,
and we really do agree.

There's no party,
political lines on this.

Everyone's like, "whistle
blowing is a good thing,"

we all agree
it's the right thing.

Their sense of integrity
and justice has driven them

to stand out and speak out when

many wouldn't have done so.

And I think
a lot of whistleblowers

are very single-minded.

I mean, everybody's
different, of course.

But I think you can see
that there's some similarities

with people
who are so determined

to speak out about wrongdoing.

Um, so I think
that is a very special quality.

And it's
not a quality by any means,

if we're honest,
that all of us have.

The film about my, um...

Whistleblowing experience

came out... in 2019.

It was called official secrets,

starring Keira knightley,

and as part

of the, urn, promotion
of the film,

I traveled

around very many places,

going to, um, film festivals

and various conferences.

And I was, you know,

in it with a lot of people

who were
talking about whistleblowing.

I think we need
to take a very long, hard look

about what we value,

what we, um, need

in order to thrive and...

How we should go
about making that possible.

I don't regret what I did, um...

In 2003, blowing the whistle

on the, uh, NSA email

to gchq, I don't regret that.

And when I think
about our legacy

for our children
and our grandchildren,

you know, I can't just stand by

and do nothing.

You know, it was

an incredibly
tough time in my life,

but I'm one of the lucky ones.

I was believed

and the charity commission

and mps
all reached the conclusions

that what I was saying was true.

Um, what I think is positive
is that the organization

I know has,
since this has come to light,

worked really hard
to make things better.

Where I am now, I love.

Um, I live in a gorgeous town,

but I am now
a... a single mum with...

With my son.

So privileged
now to be, um, running

an, uh... an autism charity.

When I was speaking, um,

out about what
had happened at oxfam,

my son was diagnosed,
um, with, uh, autism.

And so, I went through

the process
of getting a diagnosis

and was diagnosed quite...
Quite recently as well.

And, oh, gosh,
it's been such an eye-opener.

Being an autistic woman,
I think that meant

I said the things

that perhaps others
might not have done.

It gave me a lot of new insight

into probably why I became,
uh, a whistleblower.

You know, I was asked
at the time, you know,

"why did you do it?

And, you know, wasn't
that a brave thing to do?"

And... and something
I always felt was,

it wasn't brave,
I... I literally had no choice.

I would do it again.

And that's a really hard thing

to say because the...

The price
for my family and friends

was in... high.

And by saying that,
I feel like I'm saying

that the...
The needs of the people

I was speaking up
for were more important

than my family.

Life has changed forever

because of speaking out.

And sorry, it's... and I still...

Still a hard thing.

So, it's not
an easy one to answer.

Um, but I would.

I would do it again.

So, for me, moving to Mexico

has been really instrumental

in my attempt to heal.

I still have stress every day

related to that monster

and the monsters
he's surrounded himself with.

I still suffer.

I gave up everything.

I gave up a beautiful house.

Some guarantee of money,

some guarantee
of a career, uh...

To nothing.

Dear Harvey.

No matter what lies
you tell yourself,

you did this.

Today, lady justice

is staring down
a super predator:

You.

I think I was in shock
that he was sentenced,

because he pulled
every trick in the book.

His lawyer squeezed his shoulder

as he was found guilty,

but otherwise,
he showed no emotion.

This court process
has been testimony

to the courage
of the women who came forward

and to the tenacity
of the investigative reporters

who shattered
the code of silence

surrounding the Hollywood mogul.

I feel very proud

of setting up the dominoes

and knocking them forward

to fall all around the world.

Because this is bigger
than Hollywood.

This case became symbolic,

about far more

than just one man's
guilt or innocence.

The allegations
against the Hollywood producer

sparked the #metoo movement

against
sexual harassment and abuse.

I would do it
again in a heartbeat.

I would go through it all again.

I was made for this.

Not a lot of people are.

And the other women
profiled in this documentary,

I'm incredibly proud of.

I know what it takes.

I wish I had
a little more softness

in my heart
towards people that are scared.

Butlhave a great hatred of fear.

It is
the number one enemy of change.

So, I salute the other women.

And I salute anybody
who comes forward

and fights the good fight.

Because it's all
we're here to do.

We have concluded

that the UK chose to join
the invasion of Iraq

before the peaceful options
for disarmament

had been exhausted.

We have also concluded
that the judgments

about the severity of the threat

posed by Iraq's weapons
of mass destruction,

wmd, were presented
with a certainty

that was not justified.

Even though they all...
Have all experienced these

incredible difficulties, um,
and attempts to...

Attempts to undermine
what they've shown

and what they've said,

history has shown,
actually, that all of them

did the right thing.

Um, and for that reason alone,

I think, is a perfect example

of why whistleblowers
are essential for democracy

and for a healthy society.

We're better because of them.

Um, we owe them a debt.

Helen's decision to speak out

had far-reaching implications.

As a result,
hundreds, thousands of people

around the world
are better protected

than they were
before Helen spoke out.

Without doubt,
one of the largest gatherings,

let alone protest rallies,
in English history.

What Katharine, uh, gun
did was extremely brave.

It was driven by her conscience

of a one.

And there were a lot of
protesters about the Iraq war.

You know,
she was one of millions.

And I think
that what Katharine did

was a forerunner for snowden.

We got... we didn't get
quite the same shock

that gchq, NSA,

"oh, well, then, all right,

you can trust them."

That snowden then demonstrated

exactly what
those organizations were up to.

They are our heroes

and we need to find
a new way in our culture

to recognize and not take
that voice for granted.

Key movements, such as #metoo,

black lives matter,
made people aware

that they don't need
to suffer in silence

for what they have experienced,

and that there's
really strength in numbers.

It was the courage of many women

sort of
coming forward and saying,

"hey, this is not okay.

This has been
going on for long enough.

It needs to stop."

That you actually
saw actionable change.

So, that's progress.
That's progress.

If there's
one thing that's changed,

People have had
enough of this shit, right?

They've had enough with...
They've had enough with people

telling them to be quiet
and... and not listening

and putting up
with systemic abuse

or systemic,
sort of, just bad treatment

from people.

It's people saying,

"it's enough,
I've just had enough."

And that, I think, um,

uprising in public consciousness

is... is probably
a bit of a change.

In life,
there is some tough stuff

that happens in the world
that we see on the news.

And when our hearts sink

and we just think, "oh, my god,

what sort of world I live in?"

Then you see
these people and you just think,

"hey, you give me hope.

You're one of the good ones."

And these women in this film,

you just think, "yeah,

that's why I get out of bed.

Because there are good people

fighting the good fight

who want to make a difference.

You know, something hopeful."