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In the summer of 2014,
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we realized that our lives
would never be the same again.
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Christine
Robinson was killed
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at the game lodge she
owns in South Africa.
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- She was found on the floor.
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- Strangled, stabbed, raped.
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This lady on
the end of the phone said,
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"Your aunt's been murdered."
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- The perpetrator had
already escaped to Zimbabwe.
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Once someone has gone
across the border,
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it's extremely difficult
to get them back.
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- He could feel the sun on his
face and the wind in his hair
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when she couldn't.
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This man raped and murdered my aunt,
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but the chances of them
finding him are nil.
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- The murder rate in
South Africa is extreme.
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Eight out of 10 murders,
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someone will get away
with killing someone.
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- Nobody was doing anything,
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it just wasn't enough.
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The only tool that I
had was the internet.
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I looked at his Facebook profile
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and it appeared that he was
posting on dating pages.
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Knowing he was actively
seeking females,
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I just thought, what the hell?
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I'd set up a fake Facebook account
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and I just put,
"You've got sexy eyes."
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And then he commented back.
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I needed to hook him in,
I needed to catch him.
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Everybody else had given up,
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but I was going to get justice.
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I'm Lehanne and I'm
Christine Robinson's niece.
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Having photos of her in her
life is really comforting.
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Here she is, a photo from 1959.
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Chris is the youngest there
with my mom and my grandparents.
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They grew up in Liverpool
and they were quite poor.
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Christine was aspirational
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and wanted to do better for herself.
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Growing up, I remember
Christine was always fun.
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She was a teacher, so had a
very good rapport with children.
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She didn't have any
children of her own.
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So as I grew older,
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Chris and I had a really
close relationship.
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As a teenager, I had severe asthma.
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I was going into hospital
every month, every six weeks
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as an emergency admission,
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it causes a lot of stress,
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but Chris was a great one
for finding the good in life.
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She was fun-loving and had
a good energy about her.
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So we would lift you as a person
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and I think that's important
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when you've got
challenges with health.
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In her 20s, Chris moved to London.
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She's definitely a chatty Scouser,
would chat to anybody,
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so she had a very big
circle of friends.
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- Chris and I first met in London
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when we were beginning a new job
at a small international school.
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She was the sort of
teacher that every parent
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would want their
child to be taught by.
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She was gentle and kind and caring.
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If you heard Chris chuckle,
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you would automatically
feel like she was a person
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that you wanted to
spend more time with.
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She would be hosting parties.
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She would be making new
friends everywhere she went.
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Chris made the most of her life.
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She was a very spontaneous person.
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Took every opportunity
to explore something
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that was a little bit
out of the ordinary.
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- She was adventurous.
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Australia, China, Galapagos Islands,
South America,
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you name it, she had been there.
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She taught English as
a foreign language,
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so she lived abroad a lot.
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She was living in Germany.
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Then she lived in Moscow.
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And we all thought that she was nuts.
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Then she went to Kuwait.
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And then we thought definitely nuts.
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There was always an
adventure to be had with her.
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She was very inspirational.
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And while she was living in Kuwait,
in her forties,
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Chris met Robbie.
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I remember her calling, saying he
had blonde hair and bright blue eyes
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and a lovely Irish accent,
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and that was, she
was stoked by it all.
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Robbie stole her heart.
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He had a son and daughter,
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so there was that
lovely family for her.
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They got married on the beach,
just the two of them,
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so she got a holiday out of it,
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so she was probably
happy about that as well.
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They were happy
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and they were excited about
the next stage of their life.
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I remember Chrissy
sent a postcard saying,
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we're thinking of
moving to South Africa.
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They went on holiday
there, did a tour,
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stayed in lodges and
went to the game parks.
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Had a fabulous time
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and she painted such a beautiful
picture of South Africa,
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all the wildlife,
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the sunshine,
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the people.
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She was really quite
smitten with the place.
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Her and Rob decided to buy somewhere
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in a place called Thabazimbi,
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right next to Marakele National Park,
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four hours north of Johannesburg.
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It was a small game lodge.
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The idea was people on
holiday could stay there
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and do tours,
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see the animals.
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It had around 50 hectares of land.
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Neither of them had experience
of running a game lodge,
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so we were a bit--
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are you sure that's what
you meant to be doing?
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But in for a penny,
in for a pound and all that.
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They started advertising on Facebook
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and really endeavored
to do their best
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to make it a success.
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- I met Christine and Robbie in 2006.
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They were a lovely, a lovely couple.
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I become close to Christine.
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Yes, with the time,
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I was lodging manager,
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I was taking care
about the reservation.
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Welcome the guest, of course,
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give some instruction to the staff.
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Sustan was a chef
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taking care about all the restaurant,
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three ladies taking
care about the chalet,
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be sure that everything was perfect
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for the guests when they arrived.
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Then we got a Gardner,
his name was Andrew.
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He was from Zimbabwe.
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He was there a year before me.
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The staff and I,
we all lived on the property.
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I was living at the lodge
with Thomas, my son,
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and there was a good ambiance,
you know?
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Everybody was very nice.
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- Are you all right?
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- I'm right and you?
- Fine thanks.
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Quite a social person.
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So yeah, I used to hang
a bit with the staff,
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We had Moses.
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- Hello!
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- I had good relation
with every one of them.
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I used to see Andrew with
other members of staff
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from all the lodges at a little bar
that's near the lodge.
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It's called a shebeen
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On weekends, everyone would be there
and you'd have a beer together.
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- Nice people, really nice people.
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It was a really nice life.
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For four years,
the place of Christina and Robbie
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was a happy place.
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And then one day changed everything.
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Christine told me that
Robbie was not well.
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She told me, I will need to
travel because it's really bad.
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Robbie got cancer, liver cancer,
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and she say,
"I know that it will not be long."
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- They decided very
quickly to return to the UK
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to be with his family
from Northern Ireland.
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It was a very short illness
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and he sadly passed away.
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It was devastating for everybody.
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I remember Chris calling me and--
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she was--
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she was just heartbroken,
I think,
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and devastated.
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It was--
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it was tough for her.
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But she decided to go back to
South Africa, to Thabazimbi.
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I was driving her to the airport
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and said, "You don't
need to do this Chris."
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She said, "No, I've got to do it."
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She needed to go back.
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There was loose ends.
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She needed to get the
lodge in a good place.
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- Christine was back,
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but she was lost, she was lost.
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Sometimes in a very good mood
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and sometimes completely depressed,
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and she was alone to
care about the lodge.
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She start to think, "Okay,
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do I sell the place
or not sell the place?"
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- She had hopes to return to England.
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There was no urgency about it,
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but that's what her focus was.
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- One day Christine and I
go in town to get the money,
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to pay the wage of the
staff the day after
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and to make some shopping.
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Then she was back from town.
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It was 6:30 this night.
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I ran to the staff quarter
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to ask the gardener
Andrew to help us.
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We offload the car
with all the shopping.
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I say, bye-bye,
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and then, yes, she was back at home.
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I was back at home.
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It was winter, at seven,
it's dark and it's cold,
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so all of us,
we go early sleep.
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It was a normal night.
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The next morning, wake up very early.
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And then I follow the road
to go for my shopping.
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I get a phone call from Sustan,
the chef of the lodge.
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He asked me if I knew about
Christine, where she was,
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because there was no one
when they knocked at the door
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and I say, I don't know,
but probably she sleep
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and probably she took
something to sleep better.
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Then five minutes later
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I got a second call from Sustan.
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"Hey madam, you need to come back.
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There is a problem here.
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Madam, Christine is dead."
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I mean, it's like a nightmare
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because you don't know if they are right
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or they are not.
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My car was, I don't remember
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because I arrived like a bomb.
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There was already a
lady from the police.
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They come out of the house.
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They explain me what
was happening inside.
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She was strangled,
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stabbed,
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raped.
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Yeah, just stop five minutes please.
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I was sick,
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I was in the toilet for 10 minutes.
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I couldn't--
I couldn't cope with that.
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No one was supposed to move.
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I remember the staff,
they were front of the office.
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It was very, very quiet.
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It's so difficult to react
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because you can't believe it.
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You can't, it's so unreal.
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It's like, no, she will come back.
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One of the staff asked me,
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"Where is Andrew?"
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At this time, we realize
the gardener is missing.
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Straight to the police,
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we discuss and we say
that there is a problem.
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- As soon as I arrived there,
they were talking about Andrew.
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Yes, and the fact that it
was weird that he had left.
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If I remember correctly,
someone called him
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and he was saying, "it's not me,
it's not me, It's not me."
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and you could hear he was driving
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and then nothing after.
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- I didn't know what to think.
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Andrew was really friendly.
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I would never, never think that
Andrew could do that,
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never.
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- I was out for lunch
with one of my friends.
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I had my phone on the table
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and it's a South African number.
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I explained to my friend,
it was my aunt in South Africa.
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I picked up the phone--
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and--
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it wasn't Christine's voice.
261
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And this lady's on
the end of the phone
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said, "Christine's been murdered."
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I felt like everybody was
looking and everybody knew.
264
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I remember then calling my mum
265
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and saying, "Mum,
I don't know how to say this,
266
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but I've had this call."
267
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My mum called the lodge
268
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and tried to find out
what was happening,
269
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but it was chaotic there with police.
270
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We kind of got drip fed information.
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I was on the phone to
the foreign office.
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They were very formal
273
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and said, "No, we've had
no report of a murder
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of a British citizen
in South Africa."
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So I'm thinking, "Well,
this can't be right."
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My head was in a spin.
277
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I just couldn't believe
it was happening.
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Until I remember in the evening,
I just Googled.
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Christine Robinson murder.
280
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And it was all over the internet
281
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and suddenly it became very real,
282
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excruciatingly painful,
283
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like a electric shock
running through my body,
284
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and then I called my mum
285
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and I told her that
it was on the internet
286
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and that there was a suggestion
287
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that she'd been raped
and then murdered
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and that was it.
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Oh gosh,
290
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it was a--
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really brutal and traumatic,
292
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really, really brutal
293
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and traumatic death for a lovely,
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kind, generous woman.
295
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,800
- Our bodies in South
Africa are crime scenes.
296
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We have 900 women being killed
in a three month period,
297
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that is 11 women being
killed on a daily basis.
298
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- Levels of crime are shockingly high
299
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and violent crime especially.
300
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,360
The levels of poverty, homelessness,
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joblessness are all very, very high.
302
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For very many people,
crime simply becomes a way of life.
303
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,240
- In the last three
months, around 6,500 people
304
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have been murdered in South Africa.
305
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,760
- From its birth, this
was a violent society.
306
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It was founded on violence.
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Apartheid was kept in
place through violence.
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So violence is part
of the sort of fabric
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of the society, of everyday life.
310
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- I got a call to say,
we've got a murder,
311
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and a serious case in Thabazimbi.
312
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840
You know, when I got to the scene,
Noelle was very upset.
313
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She and Christine, the victim,
was very close to each other,
314
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,880
so could see she's not well.
315
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She's not taking it very well.
316
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The crime scene itself took
place in the main bedroom
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where Christine was sleeping.
318
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The body was already removed.
319
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,920
According to our officer,
she was killed on the floor.
320
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,720
Her body was found on the floor,
covered in a duvet.
321
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,680
The knife was still
stuck in her neck,
322
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,440
so it was quite brutal in the
way that she was murdered.
323
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,360
I got myself the background
and all the detail
324
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,640
that I have to start
the investigation.
325
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,280
There was the employer there
by the name of Andrew Ndlovu
326
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,720
from Zimbabwe that was
employed as a gardener there
327
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,280
and he was missing.
328
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120
We established that there's
another Zimbabwean guy
329
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:53,160
by the name of Hope.
330
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,480
He stays about five kilometers from
the crime scene towards Thabazimbi
331
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,800
and the information was
332
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,680
that Hope gave Andrew
a lift to the Zimbabwean border.
333
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,640
Zimbabwean border from
Thabazimbi is 550 kilometers,
334
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160
so it's quite far off,
but you can drive there,
335
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760
it's possible to get
there before the next day,
336
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,440
so it's possible that he would've
been over the border already.
337
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,720
It's not so easy then
to trace a person.
338
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,560
- I received a call about a foul
murder in Thabazimbi in Limpopo.
339
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,920
We've got the team together
and we decided to go there.
340
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,480
At that time I worked at a
civil rights organisation
341
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,880
and my specific role was to look
at violent crime in rural areas
342
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,640
that seemed to be really neglected
in terms of police resources.
343
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080
My job was to provide
support to really make sure
344
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,880
that we catch the perpetrator.
345
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240
When we got to the lodge,
there were a lot of rumors
346
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,200
about who that perpetrator was.
347
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,680
Everyone was speaking of a
Zimbabwean man called Andrew
348
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,320
and there was a really big fear
that he was back in Zimbabwe.
349
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,800
A lot of people were talking
about potential motive.
350
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,880
It seemed like the
relationship was good.
351
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,080
He had been working there
for quite some time,
352
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,760
according to what people said,
353
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,160
and people liked Christine,
so it didn't really make sense.
354
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,720
Why would this have happened,
if it was him,
355
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,320
why would he have killed her?
356
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
- The crime scene was
not very ransacked.
357
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,320
if I can put it that way,
358
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,080
so it gave me the impression
from my experience
359
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,400
that somebody that knows
360
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,560
what he wanted and where
to look for what he wants.
361
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,440
I took a look around the lodge
362
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,000
In the room next door, next site,
363
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
15,000 Rand, according to
364
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520
the information we had
and that was missing.
365
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,400
- During the night,
366
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Christine was preparing
the money to pay the staff,
367
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,960
one envelope for each one
with the right amount inside.
368
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,000
- He knew what to take
and took it and left.
369
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,760
- The foreign office
called back, said,
370
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,560
"Yes, the British
citizen has been killed
371
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,600
and we need to identify
the body with the passport."
372
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,320
I just wanted to be there,
373
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,840
to go to the crime scene,
374
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,040
to the place that it happened.
375
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,240
I wanted to understand,
I wanted to understand
376
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
how something like this could happen,
377
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,720
but suddenly it dawned on me,
378
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240
there was no way for me to be there.
379
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,880
The last, oh gosh,
380
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,680
20 years maybe, I
haven't been able to fly.
381
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,240
I've got severe asthma
382
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,360
and if you know anybody
who has severe asthma,
383
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,080
it's very different to people
living with a blue puffer.
384
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,600
I go into hospital every six weeks
385
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,120
for intravenous treatments
386
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,120
so that I try and
avoid intensive care.
387
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,200
I have a lot of steroid treatments.
388
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Then it affects my bones,
so there's been surgeries
389
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120
for hip replacements, spinal surgery,
390
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,160
I am on approximately
30 different medicines.
391
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,120
I have to have a lot of nebulisers,
392
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480
still often I can't walk.
393
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,600
I'm too breathless, I can't speak.
394
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,720
I'd been ill all my life.
395
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,320
I'd had health struggles,
396
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,520
but other things I'd find a way,
397
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,560
working I'd find a way,
398
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600
university I found a way,
399
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,360
I'd find a way to get through things,
400
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800
but this had no solution for me.
401
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,120
There was no way for me to be helpful
402
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,920
and that really hurt.
403
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,360
My uncle and my father went
to South Africa without me.
404
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280
I remember my dad speaking to me
405
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320
and they said a police
officer had been to the lodge
406
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,960
called Saki.
407
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960
I remember them saying
he seemed switched on.
408
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,840
He's going to get it sorted,
he's made promises.
409
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,840
There was also a call from
a guy called Ian Cameron
410
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,760
and he wanted to help.
411
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,480
He'd been to the lodge to
find out what was happening.
412
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,120
It was a friendly voice
at the end of the phone
413
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,200
that knew about South Africa,
that was on the ground.
414
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,600
- Maybe we could put some pressure
on the South African government
415
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
to get Andrew back into South Africa
416
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760
and potentially have him arrested
417
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,760
and what I said to her is,
418
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960
"Let's keep it alive
on social media."
419
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,440
If we keep it alive on social media,
420
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,840
if we keep it alive in the media
421
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,000
and anything that she heard, I asked
her to communicate and vice versa,
422
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,440
and that's the way
of keeping it alive.
423
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,640
- It was a really confusing time.
424
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,760
You think, "Oh, the
government are involved.
425
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,440
They're going to find
out what's happened
426
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,800
and give a full account
of what's happening.
427
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,960
He's going to be found."
428
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,960
It's not going to bring Chrissy back,
429
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,280
but there might be consequences
430
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320
for somebody who's
taken someone's life.
431
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,600
So you have these huge expectations,
432
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040
massive expectations,
433
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400
everything is going to be sorted out,
434
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,520
but it wasn't.
435
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,720
I needed support,
436
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,080
so I went to a meeting with a
group called Murdered Abroad.
437
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400
- The Foreign Office
say that the 60 to 80
438
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360
British people murdered
abroad every year.
439
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,640
It's more than one a week.
440
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,720
For those families, it's
devastating and it's lifelong,
441
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,160
and the Foreign Office
doesn’t have enough resources
442
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,480
to help those people.
443
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Abandoned is a word that
I hear at every meeting.
444
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Nobody's gonna come
and hold your hand,
445
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800
if you want some sort of justice,
446
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,080
you've got to be proactive.
447
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,440
- The foreign office did
what was expected of them.
448
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,120
They went to the lodge to identify
449
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Christine's body with a passport,
450
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640
but the help, the support,
451
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,400
it was all platitudes.
452
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,800
It was ticking boxes,
it wasn't enough.
453
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,600
That's the bottom line.
454
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,840
It just wasn't enough
for what I needed,
455
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,600
for what my family needed
456
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
and let's face it,
for what Chris needed.
457
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,200
I always remember Chris saying,
458
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
"Should anything happen to me,
I want to come back to England."
459
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,160
There obviously had to be an autopsy,
460
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,000
but we knew the date
when she was coming
461
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,360
so we could set the
date for the funeral.
462
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,960
The vicar did a really
beautiful service
463
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,040
and we had the choir sing the
South African National Anthem.
464
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,000
It felt like a
celebration of her life
465
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200
and people were generous and kind
466
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,920
and mindful of the situation as well.
467
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Time was just marching on and
we weren't getting anywhere.
468
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,920
The South African authorities
469
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,800
would supposedly update
the foreign office.
470
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,480
They would update me,
471
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
but the updates got less and less.
472
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,280
Andrew was supposed
to be in Zimbabwe.
473
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,520
The South African judiciary
474
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
was seeking a extradition order,
475
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,920
but that never seemed
to come together.
476
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,640
It was as if she was forgotten about.
477
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,960
- A detective in South Africa
478
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,720
has easily close to 300 dockets
per detective on average,
479
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,680
a docket represents a case.
480
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080
You can understand why it is such
481
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,520
a tremendously difficult
space to work in.
482
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,240
- Apartheid South Africa,
so much investment
483
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:05,200
and so much policing went into
simply enforcing apartheid laws,
484
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,920
but almost no investment
485
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,920
went into protecting ordinary
people from criminal violence.
486
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,120
The nature of policing
needed to change.
487
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,320
The South African government
has invested in policing
488
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040
quite substantially,
but not nearly enough.
489
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
- Christine's case had been
going on for quite some time,
490
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,440
and it sounds like you know,
no compassion whatsoever.
491
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,560
I don't mean it that way,
492
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,720
but at that stage I just felt, well,
493
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,600
if he's back in Zim, there's no use.
494
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,440
We'd need to give attention
to the cases that are current
495
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,920
where we can assist
496
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,680
and ensure that the perpetrators
are brought to book.
497
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,400
There are too many
other cases to look at,
498
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,840
so we just, we stood back.
499
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,800
- People moved on with their lives.
500
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680
It felt like I was the only person
501
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,040
that was actively
looking for answers.
502
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,760
I just so wanted to be there,
but it wasn't possible.
503
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,680
So the internet became a useful tool.
504
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,320
I had a Facebook account.
505
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,920
It helped keep the
connections with South Africa
506
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,800
and with Ian and with Saki.
507
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,080
The one person I did have
508
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,760
some more regular
contact was with Noelle.
509
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,240
She'd been a friend of Christine,
510
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,720
so it was easier to
build that relationship.
511
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,480
I remember I was on Facebook
512
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,440
and I just wanted to
see the man's face
513
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,880
and I looked him up
514
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,680
and I thought,
"So that's who you are."
515
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,720
This is the man that raped
and murdered my aunt.
516
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,280
His profile wasn't active.
517
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,080
Every now and again I'd check
to see if there was any updates
518
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,080
that might show where he was.
519
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,120
One day out of the blue,
520
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120
I got a message from Noelle.
521
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,320
Andrew had been seen in
a church in South Africa.
522
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,960
- We got a guy that was
working at the lodge.
523
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,000
He saw him in Johannesburg.
524
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560
The problem, Johannesburg is so big,
525
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,640
where to find him?
526
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,960
- I had spoke to the police officer
527
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,560
that was looking at
the case at the time
528
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,080
and they said they would
observe the church,
529
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,280
but he wasn't seen,
530
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,440
so that option went away.
531
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,920
There was no further dialogue really
with the police officer.
532
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,720
The chances of them
finding him are nil.
533
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,760
So at that point we thought
it was a lost opportunity.
534
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
I remember reading a quote online
535
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,920
and it said, "The dead
cannot cry out for justice.
536
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,000
It is a duty of the
living to do it for them."
537
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,080
and I was so frustrated
with nothing happening.
538
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,840
I needed to do something.
539
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,200
The only tool I had was the internet,
540
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,720
and I just thought, "What the hell?"
541
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Opened Facebook.
542
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,920
I went to his Facebook profile.
543
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080
I started looking at
who his friends were
544
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,880
and from looking
through their profiles
545
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,040
and their friends,
546
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,320
I just couldn't believe it.
547
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,280
He had other accounts,
548
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,800
slight variations of his name,
549
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Andrea Ndlovu, not Andrew Ndlovu,
550
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,600
different photos,
551
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,760
but of the same man.
552
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,720
My head's shooting off
all over the place.
553
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,160
My stomach's in knots.
554
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
He was having an active
life on Facebook.
555
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,120
I could see there was
four different profiles
556
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,520
and they were all connected
by the same friend group.
557
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640
There was one that was a
little bit more religious,
558
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,120
stating quotes from the Bible.
559
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,320
There was one that was actively
560
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
posting comments on
some dating pages,
561
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,200
which really concerned me
knowing what he’d done,
562
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,200
but I thought,
563
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,000
if he wants
female companionship,
564
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
then let's see if he bites.
565
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Without thinking it through,
I made up a profile of a woman.
566
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,280
There was no planning,
it was just instinct.
567
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,800
I've got two ex-racing greyhounds.
568
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,880
One is called Slow Lane Missy
and the other Felix Falcao.
569
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,520
Join them together, Missy Falcao.
570
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,400
It was all just on the hoof.
571
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,680
I didn't think anything of it,
572
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
just a back of somebody's head.
573
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,720
If somebody wants to befriend me,
574
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,240
I always look at how
the connection is made.
575
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,280
I had to try to make it
look like Missy Falcao
576
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,360
wasn't a brand new person.
577
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,440
So I connected to his friends.
578
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
After a period of time,
579
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,440
I actively commented on the
friends' accounts as Missy Falcao,
580
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,800
so there was some history to it.
581
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,880
A few weeks later, I'd noticed
that on one of his old posts,
582
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,200
somebody had made a comment
about him being attractive
583
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,040
and he'd posted something
584
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,000
and then
585
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,920
I sent a direct message.
586
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,520
I panicked,
587
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,080
I was going down a route,
I didn't know where I was going.
588
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,320
The emotions were here,
there and everywhere.
589
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,240
And then he commented back.
590
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,920
I could barely take a breath.
591
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,680
My heart was in my mouth.
592
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,320
My stomach was doing somersaults.
593
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,120
I told my husband that he'd replied,
594
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,840
he was shocked,
595
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,400
but we agreed that
the important thing
596
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,000
was to keep him hooked in.
597
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,600
Andrew and I started messaging.
598
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,080
And so it was true.
599
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,040
He'd actually told me he
was living in Johannesburg.
600
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,200
Half of me didn't want to believe it
601
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,760
because that showed that
he was living his life.
602
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
The other half of me
was thinking, okay,
603
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,880
there might be something
to hold onto here.
604
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,720
Let's see where this takes me.
605
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,440
But very quickly I realized
606
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,120
you had to make this
backstory up of Missy Falcao.
607
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,880
And as questions were
coming in from him,
608
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,200
I just went with my gut,
609
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,040
so she was from Ghana.
610
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,960
I'm in hospital a lot.
611
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,400
There's time differences,
612
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,480
so she was a young air stewardess.
613
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,240
She wasn't immediately
accessible all the time.
614
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,680
There would be a delay,
615
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,560
quite a glamorous lady,
616
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,520
a bit sassy.
617
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Google Maps was a great help.
618
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
I couldn't physically be there,
619
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,320
but by creating Missy Falcao,
620
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,960
I could contact him
621
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,320
and be effectively in South Africa.
622
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,680
She lived in an area called Eden Vale.
623
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Within close proximity
to the airport,
624
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,200
it gave me some control,
625
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200
which I hadn't had in any
aspect of this investigation.
626
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,400
Before this whole backstory,
she was just a picture.
627
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,640
But now he was very interested.
628
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,320
He was flattered
629
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,160
and I knew that flattery
was going to win him over
630
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,920
and keep a contact going.
631
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,800
As the messaging continued,
632
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,120
he became more needy.
633
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,880
He wanted to speak to Missy Falcao.
634
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,360
He wanted to FaceTime, to meet.
635
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,880
There was a fear
636
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,440
that because he wasn't
getting what he wanted,
637
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,320
he'd soon become very disinterested
and just walk away.
638
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,520
It was a double-edged sword.
639
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,760
I had to try and string it out,
640
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600
so if the authorities were
going to get on board,
641
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,440
there's still that time.
642
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,880
So the idea was
Missy Falcao became flirty
643
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,320
and give him her response that
644
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,360
there's a possibility
of a relationship
645
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,920
that the meeting was going to happen.
646
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,920
There was never any sexual content.
647
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,640
She was a good Christian,
went to church,
648
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,320
looked after her family.
649
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,160
It was butterflies in my stomach.
650
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,840
Can't wait to hear from you again.
651
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Sorry I haven't been in touch,
this has happened.
652
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,160
But it hurt, every time I
contacted him, it sickened me
653
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,440
and it was something that
turned my stomach.
654
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,080
It was, all I wanted to do was say,
655
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
"I know who you are.
I know what you've done."
656
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:48,320
I did what I felt I had
to do to get justice.
657
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,600
I told the foreign office,
658
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,680
I'd set up a fake Facebook account
659
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,080
and I was now having conversations
with the man that murdered my aunt.
660
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,840
They told the consulate, the police
661
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,600
and still nothing happened.
662
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,000
I could see his telephone number.
663
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,560
I could have called him
and nothing happened,
664
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,840
and as far as I can see,
they can just go and arrest him.
665
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,920
So out of sheer frustration
666
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,080
and fear that he would
disappear and lose interest,
667
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,600
I reached out Saki,
668
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,160
the original investigating officer.
669
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
He wasn't part of the South
African police force any longer.
670
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,240
He was working as a
private investigator.
671
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,160
- When I retired, there was
cases that we couldn't solve,
672
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,800
but it's always frustrating
not to solve a case.
673
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,440
You'll never forget those cases.
674
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,120
- He still had a lot of
contacts in the police force
675
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,160
and whilst he was
based in Thabazimbi,
676
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,240
he still had contacts
in Johannesburg.
677
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,600
He was on board
678
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,680
and from that, it snowballed.
679
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,600
It was, okay, well,
let's see what we can do.
680
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,800
We knew who he was,
we knew where he was.
681
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,840
They looked to see if
there was a position
682
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,200
that everyone could get to,
we could make an arrest.
683
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,080
- Lehanne said, she's got a
cell phone number of Andrew.
684
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,080
I knew there's a starting
point to start looking for him.
685
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,320
There's something to work on.
686
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,200
- The idea was because they
knew he was in Brixton,
687
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,480
Saki with a group of police officers
688
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,120
could triangulate his phone,
689
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,400
find his location and arrest him.
690
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,240
It was the first time that
there was an activity.
691
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,240
There was a group of
people that were willing
692
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,720
and that was really important.
693
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,880
Having somebody that
was willing to step out
694
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,200
and to do something.
695
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,400
It had taken a little while to set up
696
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,400
because it was a
dangerous area of Brixton,
697
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,080
so they needed to have the
right staff members there.
698
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,680
But one night I heard from Saki
699
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,480
they were going to do
this operation overnight.
700
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,600
- We arranged a Sting operation
to go and look for Andrew,
701
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,280
there's certain systems in place
that you can place a cell phone
702
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,040
onto exactly where the person is,
703
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,840
so we joined the police.
704
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,520
We went through to Johannesburg.
705
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,960
We waited to sit in garage,
started coming together,
706
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,360
seeing where the phone is.
707
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,960
- I'm at home knowing
that this operation
708
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,760
is going to take place,
709
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,680
but there was no
communication that night.
710
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,680
- We were close to him.
We were obviously not very far.
711
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,920
We actually get a signal through
the tower from the phone,
712
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,560
and then you have to
start driving around
713
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,360
to pick up where the
phone exactly is.
714
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,960
It's a system that the police have.
715
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,960
- It was the first time
716
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,360
that there was something
really positive.
717
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Something was happening
on the ground.
718
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,280
I felt the pressure because
although I'd shown them
719
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,160
all the details of who he was,
where he was, the Facebook page,
720
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,080
it was still my doing.
721
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,720
It was me influencing
them to make this action.
722
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,160
There's a lot of
resources being spent.
723
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,120
I was worried that
it was going to wrong
724
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,880
or that he would escape.
725
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,800
I remember the day of
Christine's funeral,
726
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,120
my uncle saying to me,
727
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,440
"Don't even consider it,
trying to track him.
728
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,520
It is never gonna happen."
729
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,720
I didn't want him to be
able to hurt anybody again,
730
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,720
and he was within the
grasp of the police.
731
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,240
I woke up the next morning,
732
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,600
there was a message from Saki,
733
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,160
the phone tracking
hadn't been successful.
734
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,040
- We're not far from him.
735
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,360
That's what's so frustrating.
736
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,200
We were so close to
him, but yet so far.
737
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,800
Lehanne went through all this
trouble to get hold of him
738
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,560
and then things didn't go right.
739
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Two o'clock in the morning,
the phone went off,
740
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,760
the battery went dead or
something went wrong
741
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,200
and we couldn't trace it anymore.
742
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,120
- I was angry and
saddened and disappointed
743
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,760
and all the raft of emotions
that come with that.
744
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,960
It was the one thing I thought
would pull it all together.
745
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,240
I had such high hopes,
you can't help yourself.
746
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:36,160
I went to the Missy Falcao
account and contacted Andrew.
747
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,440
There was no response,
748
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,080
so I was left not knowing
what was happening.
749
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,880
I didn't know anything,
750
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,520
he just kind of was
off the radar again.
751
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,400
But a couple of days after.
752
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,160
I did get a message back from Andrew
753
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,680
and he told Missy that
his phone had been stolen
754
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,360
and I was really suspicious.
755
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,880
It seemed very coincidental
756
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,920
that this had happened the
night of this operation,
757
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,800
but at the same time,
I was really happy
758
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,240
that there'd been some contact
759
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,640
and he hadn't totally
abandoned Missy.
760
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,760
There was still a tiny possibility
761
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,200
that something might happen.
762
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,000
There was an exchange of messages
763
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,920
and I become increasingly suspicious
764
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
that he was suspicious
of Missy Falcao.
765
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,680
I was delaying Missy
meeting up or calling him.
766
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,120
He sent a message.
767
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,160
"Are you for real Missy?"
768
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,480
And that rang an alarm bell.
769
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,480
That was the first time he'd
actually questioned anything.
770
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,520
His interest was waning.
771
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,080
I was nervous,
772
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,240
we were losing a hold on him.
773
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,760
So then I was more mindful
to send more messages
774
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
and be more active in messaging him,
775
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,760
but I felt as if I was losing
my grip on the situation
776
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
and it was slipping away from me.
777
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,640
The South African police had a view
to organise a sting operation
778
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,920
so that Andrew would physically
meet up with Missy Falcao.
779
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,080
I was a bit apprehensive
that somebody might get injured.
780
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,680
I, all I know is that
the man's a murderer.
781
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,640
The police decided
they would take over
782
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,520
the Missy Falcao account
783
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,280
and have a female police
officer message him.
784
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,200
So it was at that point I effectively
785
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,920
handed over the Missy Falcao account
786
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,720
to the South African police.
787
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,160
I was relieved that somebody
else would talk to him.
788
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,720
I thought, well,
they're professionals.
789
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,760
They know what to do.
790
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,320
I've just been winging it for
the last however many months,
791
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,560
and at the same time
I was apprehensive
792
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,880
because I'd lost control.
793
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,480
And it all seemed to be going well
794
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,320
until the date started
to be suggested.
795
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,160
It'd be next Saturday,
796
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,440
and then we couldn't get
the right officers in place.
797
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,160
The timeline was being
pushed back all the time.
798
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,840
Then there was a point,
they suggested a date
799
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,080
they could get all the
personnel that were needed,
800
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
and then stoney silence from Andrew.
801
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,000
There was nothing back.
802
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,680
He just lost interest
and disappeared.
803
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Nobody heard from him again.
804
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,480
It was at that point I realized
805
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,000
that the moment to
capture him, arrest him
806
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,280
and get justice was gone,
gone forever.
807
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,400
Missy Falcao is no more.
808
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,200
I remember I just broke down.
809
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,240
I just physically cried
and cried and cried.
810
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,440
They couldn't make it happen
811
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,160
and they should have.
812
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,600
It felt like she didn't matter
813
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,120
and that's what hurt the most.
814
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,640
There was no more chances,
815
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,560
Missy had gone.
816
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,280
I just felt lost.
817
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,440
All that effort, all that stress,
818
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,760
writing these messages
819
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,720
to a man that murdered my aunt,
820
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,840
that was the need I had for justice,
821
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,760
but now it was over.
822
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,160
Justice wouldn't be possible.
823
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,520
He was gonna live his life.
824
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,440
He would be free for
the rest of his life
825
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,680
and there'd be no
consequences for his actions.
826
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,760
There's a remembrance page
that was set up for Christine
827
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,840
and every birthday on the
anniversary, Christmas.
828
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,840
I always write something and
I know she's not reading it,
829
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,960
I know, but it just helps.
830
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,200
On the sixth anniversary of
her death, I couldn't sleep,
831
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,680
so it was about four or
five o'clock in the morning.
832
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,120
I checked his profile.
833
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,600
He'd posted a picture of himself.
834
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,320
He looked very smart in his attire,
he was dressed up.
835
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,320
there was a Ferris wheel in the back
836
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,000
and there was a Ferris
wheel in Joburg,
837
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,200
so he was still in Johannesburg
838
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,200
living his life,
839
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,080
still living his life.
840
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,280
He was still out there to
do what he wanted to do.
841
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,920
The foreign office had always
said never to post anything online,
842
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,840
no pictures of him, what he'd done,
843
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,320
anything that could
jeopardize any investigation,
844
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,800
I thought to hell with it.
845
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,440
Why shouldn't people know
who he is and what he's done?
846
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,120
I took the picture I'd seen of Andrew
847
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,360
and I put it on the
Facebook page saying,
848
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,200
this is the man
849
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,760
that's wanted for the rape
and murder of my aunt.
850
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,560
Within an hour or so of posting,
Ian Cameron contacted me.
851
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,120
- I saw that post and I said to her,
852
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,440
"Let's just try to do
something, just one more shot."
853
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,680
Would she be able to send
me the pictures again
854
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,720
of Christine, of Christine's husband,
855
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,360
of Andrew so I can rewrite something
856
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,440
and post it again on
my own social media?
857
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,200
She had built this
entire fake profile
858
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,880
and now thanks to Lehanne,
859
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,720
we had a whole lot of
new pictures of Andrew.
860
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,160
Not only was it more updated,
861
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,440
but it could also indicate to us
862
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,480
how he may look if he was different
863
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,080
to what we originally thought.
864
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,160
Pictures of him in the car,
865
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,920
some of them he had
slightly longer hair.
866
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,160
Some of them he was wearing clothes
867
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,520
that was almost smart, casual.
868
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,160
It was incredible,
869
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,680
and I posted the pictures on Facebook
870
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,880
and it just went viral.
871
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,640
People from all over
started sharing this thing,
872
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,800
started commenting.
873
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,680
In all my years working
with farm attacks,
874
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,480
I had never seen a post
on Facebook do that.
875
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,040
I was reading the
comments the whole time.
876
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,840
Then later on that day,
877
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,600
I noticed someone saying that
she sent me a direct message.
878
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,760
- I was at work,
I scrolled through Facebook
879
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,520
and I saw this picture.
880
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,800
I was shocked and scared and afraid.
881
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,080
I immediately told my dad.
882
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,080
I messaged Ian, "I know this guy,
he's working for my dad."
883
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,320
He knows our every move,
our daily life.
884
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,080
- Like I couldn't believe it.
885
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,560
I mean, I was astounded.
886
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,920
Literally six years
887
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,960
after Christina had been murdered,
888
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,360
someone says that they know the guy
that killed Christine Robinson.
889
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,400
It just didn't make sense,
it was too good to be true.
890
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,200
She said, I should
speak to her father.
891
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,360
I called and they
immediately answered
892
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,280
and said, "There's no doubt
this is him in the pictures.
893
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,080
but it can't be him,
he's the best employee."
894
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,360
- We were on our way to work,
so he was sitting next to me.
895
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,280
I thought it was not him.
896
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,400
I think no, can't be him.
897
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,280
He's this amazing guy
that works with them
898
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,600
and he's much closer
than the rest of them.
899
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,000
- I'm a installer for industrial
and domestic garage doors.
900
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,320
The day Andrew started working there,
901
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,360
I saw him that he's clever,
he did good work.
902
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,040
We had a room in the
back of the yard.
903
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,280
He came and moved in
with his girlfriend there
904
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:30,760
that was working for us.
905
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,280
They moved in and stayed
there for the last year.
906
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,000
We trusted him,
907
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,640
I left him with my wife,
my daughters.
908
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,520
He was fixing things in the house.
909
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,640
- And I said to them, "Well,
I've got bad news for you,
910
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,480
but if you are saying that it's
definitely him on the picture,
911
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,040
his real name, from what
we know, is Andrew Ndlovu
912
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,760
and he killed Christine Robinson."
913
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,240
- Ian called me and
I couldn't believe
914
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,240
that this was happening.
915
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,440
- We only have one
opportunity to sort this out.
916
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,480
I phoned a good friend
of mine that's involved
917
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,280
with the South African Police
Service called Reg Crewe.
918
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,280
- I've been the head of reservist
919
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,440
at the police station in
Pretoria for a number of years.
920
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:32,720
Ian Cameron phoned me.
921
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,800
He explained to me the situation
922
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,680
and asked me if I had any connections
923
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,320
with policemen in Johannesburg.
924
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,400
I said, well, instead of giving
him policemen from Joburg,
925
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:45,320
then we'd rather go
and do it ourselves.
926
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,360
Had to get clearance
from my commander
927
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:51,840
that we could leave our jurisdiction
928
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,680
to go to the Johannesburg area.
929
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,920
Arranged three additional
members to go with me
930
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,880
and then move out towards Joburg.
931
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,120
- Ian called later that day
932
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,080
and told me he was
getting a team together
933
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,560
to go and arrest him
934
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,880
and that he would call
me as they set out
935
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,160
to do the arrest.
936
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,480
- Reg picked me up
just between Joburg
937
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,640
and Pretoria where
I lived on the way.
938
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,560
They came there with one
marked police vehicle
939
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,520
and one unmarked police vehicle,
940
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,320
and we just spoke about
how do we approach this.
941
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,320
- We've done many attempts
to do take downs of suspects,
942
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,880
many of them unsuccessful.
943
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,320
The suspect may attempt to flee
944
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,040
or we arrive there and
it's a red herring
945
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,400
or the suspect is not the
person we are looking for.
946
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:50,480
However, we had to
go through the plan
947
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:52,000
to see if we could catch him.
948
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,200
- I felt anxious.
949
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,080
I mean, I felt anxious
on behalf of Lehanne.
950
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,400
- From a tactical point of view,
we never stop outside the address.
951
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,280
We stop a few houses away.
952
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,960
The homeowner came to our vehicles
953
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,520
in the darkness.
954
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,320
It was quiet.
955
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:25,040
He confirmed that the
suspect was present.
956
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,240
He was in the room.
957
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,560
- I was sitting in the corner.
My husband's pacing up and down
958
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,760
and then the phone call,
FaceTime through WhatsApp
959
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:42,040
with Ian commentating
as to what's happening.
960
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,000
We're walking down the street,
there's a group of police officers.
961
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,760
- I had one phone in
one hand trying to film,
962
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,280
but I was shaking so much,
I couldn't believe it.
963
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,560
I opened the gate just slightly.
964
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,400
We then walked to
that little apartment.
965
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,240
- There was a light on in the room.
966
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,840
I could hear movements inside,
967
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,840
the adrenaline pumps.
968
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,720
1
969
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,680
Every situation we treat
with extreme caution,
970
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,280
every door that we knock on,
you get a different response,
971
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,600
could explode into something violent.
972
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,240
If this person was
willing to do the things
973
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,840
that he was alleged to have done,
974
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,920
we don't know what
he could try with us.
975
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:36,160
- I'm watching them potentially
arrest the murderer.
976
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,040
It's very real,
but surreal at the same time.
977
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,680
- The other policemen were behind me
with assault rifles.
978
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,240
I knocked on the door,
979
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,040
not really expecting a reply.
980
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,480
And Andrew opened the door.
981
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,080
- The signal was poor,
the camera judding around.
982
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,200
- He looked like he had seen a ghost.
983
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,360
- I stepped forward into
the room, he stepped back.
984
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,080
I asked him, "Do you
know why we are here?"
985
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,800
And his answer was simply "Yes."
986
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,920
I warned him that we were
placing him under arrest.
987
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,640
I warned him of his
constitutional rights.
988
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,200
- I said to Lehanne, "We've got him."
989
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,200
Even when I think about it now,
it's emotional to me.
990
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,920
- And the next thing I'm
seeing seeing him in handcuffs
991
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,720
and him walking down the street
and they've arrested him.
992
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,040
It's still hard for me
993
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,920
to believe it's real
994
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,000
and oh gosh, the tears just came
995
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,960
and I contacted lots of members
of my family and friends
996
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,040
and I just wanted to shout
it from the rooftops really.
997
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,960
- I was just crying
and she was crying.
998
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,440
That was the best day.
999
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:37,720
- I felt relief first
1000
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,640
and then I felt really angry.
1001
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:46,480
To do such a horrific
thing and now you come back
1002
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,240
and you put on this big show
1003
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,760
of what an amazing
so-called employee you are.
1004
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:56,760
- It was a big shock for all of us,
it was a big shock.
1005
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,680
For nearly five years,
he was in my house,
1006
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,640
stayed with my wife, my children.
1007
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,280
I was so relieved that I
know he's off the streets.
1008
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,200
He won't do that again to anybody.
1009
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,720
- We found a passport in the
name of Andrea Imbayaru.
1010
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,400
and he confirmed that is him.
1011
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,680
He denied knowing who
Andrew Ndlovu was.
1012
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,880
We'd secured him,
we'd secured the evidence
1013
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,120
and then detained him in our cells,
1014
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,000
until the Thabazimbi police
could arrive and take him away.
1015
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,080
- After all this time,
1016
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,080
maybe at last there
might be some justice.
1017
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,800
- A lot of people think that
when the arrest is done,
1018
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:46,960
then it's all over.
1019
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,200
That's only the beginning.
1020
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:55,960
- The criminal justice system
1021
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,040
as it stands, is extremely tricky.
1022
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:02,320
- It's very close to
about 80% of murders
1023
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,840
are not successfully convicted.
1024
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,520
- Quite often the
South African police
1025
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,080
simply losing documents.
1026
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,040
Forensic services are
quite often lacking.
1027
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,400
- The South African police service
is under enormous pressure
1028
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,880
and operating with limited resources.
1029
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,120
Cases are being postponed
because of further investigation
1030
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,400
or they're waiting for DNA results.
1031
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,320
A court case can last up
to three to four years.
1032
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:39,000
It moves at a pregnant snail's pace
1033
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,520
and in between that,
anything can happen.
1034
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,320
- The police build a dossier
on that specific incident.
1035
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,240
Now, if there's any
gap in that dossier,
1036
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,240
it'll have a negative impact
on successful prosecution
1037
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,120
because of the sheer pressure
and the volumes of cases.
1038
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,320
They're so overburdened
that both the detective
1039
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,000
and the prosecutor, if it
is thrown out the case,
1040
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,160
they just say, well
onto the next one.
1041
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,720
- Leading up to the trial is
all these doubts in your head
1042
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,120
of all the things
that could go wrong.
1043
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,400
I still had reservations and doubts
1044
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,400
that they'd
arrested the right man.
1045
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,880
I was nervous as to whether
they'd have enough evidence,
1046
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,760
that everything would've
been documented.
1047
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:39,800
It hadn't been lost.
1048
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,520
All these things run
through your mind.
1049
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,240
I couldn't travel for the trial.
1050
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,240
I go into hospital every six weeks.
1051
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,200
In fact, I was doing hospital
when the trial was happening
1052
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,440
because I couldn't attend and
my parents couldn't attend,
1053
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,680
I was frantically reading legislation
1054
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,080
in South Africa and trial reports.
1055
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,280
I was nervous as to whether
we'd get a good prosecutor.
1056
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,440
- I was the prosecutor in
the case of Andrew Ndlovu,
1057
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,960
I'm employed within the
National Prosecuting
1058
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,520
Authority of South Africa.
1059
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,320
We look at complex offenses
1060
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,600
with a lot of investigating
officer from rural stations
1061
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,320
who may lack experience.
1062
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,920
- I thought there could
have been a video link
1063
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,640
so we could watch the trial
1064
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,600
and understand what was happening,
1065
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,840
but it came back that that
doesn't happen in South Africa,
1066
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:52,040
so we appointed a lawyer
to act as a watching brief.
1067
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,400
- I'm going to look at my notes
just to confirm the facts.
1068
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,560
I received instructions
from Lehanne Sergison
1069
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,440
to do a watching brief
during the court hearing
1070
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:11,840
and to report to the Robinson family
1071
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,840
what transpired at court.
1072
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,400
- Unfortunately, just
before the trial,
1073
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:21,920
I became very unwell,
1074
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,240
became
more unwell in hospital
1075
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,440
and the doctors did some tests
1076
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:31,720
and thought it may
have been tuberculosis.
1077
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,440
I ended up in intensive care.
1078
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:50,920
- It was a high-profile case
1079
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,680
and attracted media attention.
1080
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,600
The atmosphere in court was
everyone wanted the truth.
1081
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,760
- I received a call to go
and testify in his trial.
1082
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,600
By this time, I had a full
understanding of what happened
1083
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,960
to Christine Robinson,
so to go and testify
1084
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,800
in that instance is
extremely important to do.
1085
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,840
- Lehanne sent me a message
with all the details
1086
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,600
concerning the trial.
1087
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,480
I say to myself, they will get him.
1088
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,640
They will get him,
1089
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,200
but you
never know with the judge.
1090
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,960
- Five counts were put to the accused
on which he pleaded not guilty.
1091
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,680
- He's not showing a response.
1092
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,200
If he had committed that crime,
1093
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,720
he was showing
absolutely zero remorse.
1094
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,560
- He looked confident
1095
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,240
that we did not have
anything against him.
1096
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,120
We don't have a jury,
decided by the judge,
1097
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,720
under this case, I did not
do an opening statement.
1098
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,760
I said to the judge,
let me paint a picture.
1099
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,280
So after I gave the plea explanation,
1100
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,040
I called my witnesses.
1101
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,160
The first witness that I
called was the police officer
1102
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,560
who came at the scene.
1103
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,480
I then presented the photographs,
1104
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,320
the place itself where she was found.
1105
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,120
You can see that there was a fight
inside that particular bedroom.
1106
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,960
- The state then called the witness,
Mr. Cormor known as Hope.
1107
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,680
He testified that on
the 30th of July, 2014,
1108
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,440
he received a telephone call
1109
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,240
from the accused
around about 6:00 AM.
1110
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,360
- Hope was the friend
who transported him,
1111
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:53,080
Andrea promised him money
to take him to the border.
1112
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,720
While in transit, he was
threatened with a knife.
1113
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,920
- The state called the third witness,
1114
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,000
the ex-girlfriend of the accused.
1115
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,960
She testified that they
were in a relationship
1116
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,000
for three years in July 2014.
1117
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,400
- While in transit,
Andrea called his girlfriend.
1118
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,920
He said, I'm on my
way home, Zimbabwe,
1119
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:28,040
but I just murdered the white
lady that stays at Rra-Ditau Lodge.
1120
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,880
Under the South African law, it's a
confession made to a private person
1121
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,160
so it is admissible in court.
1122
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:46,000
- I had no idea that this
woman was on anybody's radar.
1123
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,520
I knew nothing about this witness.
1124
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,720
I discovered the prosecutor,
1125
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,280
George looked at their case file
1126
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,040
six months before
Andrew was arrested,
1127
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,160
was just a crazy turn of events.
1128
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,000
- We do a lot in
preparation before arrest,
1129
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,120
I realised that there were statements
1130
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,080
that ought to have been taken.
1131
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,080
For instance, the girlfriend
1132
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:18,320
and I then realized
that there was DNA,
1133
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,240
which was obtained from the deceased,
1134
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,120
but there was no one to match with.
1135
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,640
Fortunately, there was an arrest.
1136
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,760
I requested the police to
obtain the DNA from the accused.
1137
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,200
The result came back
and he was positive.
1138
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,640
This person is the one
who deposited semen.
1139
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,640
- It was at that point I was
more certain that it was Andrea
1140
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,520
and they'd arrested the right man.
1141
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,240
- The day after, the
accused will have a turn
1142
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,840
to go into the witness box
1143
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,040
and then it'll be my turn
to
1144
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:08,480
But in court,
the accused denied everything.
1145
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,040
His plea explanation
was to the effect
1146
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,600
that he was in love
with the deceased.
1147
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,560
- His evidence was he did
not murder the accused
1148
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:25,480
and she consented to
the sexual intercourse.
1149
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:29,440
- To my mind, he was lying.
1150
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,600
It was an alibi just to get him off,
1151
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,280
but I wasn't in the courtroom.
1152
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,280
I couldn't read the
faces of the judge.
1153
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,280
I didn't know how convincing he was.
1154
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,520
- The defence argument
in short was the evidence
1155
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,560
of the state was based substantially
1156
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,600
on circumstantial evidence.
1157
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,240
They plot an application
1158
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,960
to discharge the accused
on all the accounts,
1159
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:02,000
but the state advocate
aggressively opposed the argument.
1160
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,600
- Hey, Lehanne.
- Yeah, please don't feel negative
1161
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:09,640
about the case.
1162
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,160
I mean, obviously they would
have to give him an opportunity
1163
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,600
to make his case, stay positive.
1164
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,360
We'll see what happens and
we'll take it from there.
1165
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,760
- I will make closing argument
1166
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,640
to try and persuade the court
1167
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,520
that what I have is strong
against the accused.
1168
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,360
- His argument was based on the fact
1169
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:41,000
that there was a prevention
from the accused.
1170
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,960
The state also argued
1171
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,960
that the court must
take into consideration
1172
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:52,240
that it is clear that the
accused was a man on the run.
1173
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,240
- It'll now be left to the court
1174
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,640
to decide whether the
accused is guilty or not.
1175
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,440
It hadn't been a smooth
ride to get to this point.
1176
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,360
- The judge comes to court.
1177
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:16,320
We all stand up.
1178
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:22,400
I had the fear
that he was still going to walk away.
1179
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,360
But was never certain that
he was going to be convicted.
1180
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,840
- The verdict was
delivered in an open court.
1181
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,080
She did not find him
guilty on robbery
1182
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,640
with aggravating circumstances.
1183
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:50,240
Then she found the
accused guilty of murder
1184
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,400
and the rape.
1185
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,400
The death of Christine
touched a lot of people.
1186
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,120
She was somebody who was
lovable, friendly with people.
1187
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:15,720
I believe I brought
justice to the families.
1188
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,560
I was so insanely happy
about what had happened,
1189
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,720
but I was in a room by myself.
1190
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,360
I was detached from
the whole situation
1191
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,640
and then the ward sister came in
1192
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,640
and I just cried and
cried and I was just,
1193
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,040
the man that murdered my
aunt had been found guilty.
1194
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,040
- Hi, Lehanne.
- I'm tremendously happy
1195
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:05,400
and I hope this provides some closure
and relief to you and your family.
1196
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:13,800
- As far as I know,
Andrew doesn't know
1197
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,880
the role that Missy
Falcao had in his arrest.
1198
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,400
Would
you like him to know?
1199
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:23,320
- Yes. 1
1200
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,640
It really sickened me
as to what I was doing at the time,
1201
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,960
but Chris lost her life brutally
1202
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,320
that she needed justice.
1203
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,560
That's what drove me to keep going,
1204
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,080
and after all this time,
1205
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,400
everything had come together.
1206
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,240
- I think that finally,
there is a justice.
1207
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,200
He will pay for what he did.
1208
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,920
He will not pay enough for me, never.
1209
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,600
- Knowing what he had done,
you want him to be punished.
1210
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,160
This was the conclusion of something
that had started years before.
1211
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,080
It's something that you sort of hope
happens in every instance.
1212
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,720
- It's easy to actually lose hope.
1213
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:28,520
The conviction was one of
the most satisfying feelings
1214
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,200
and what makes it special
is to see the reaction of the family.
1215
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,640
We were obviously relieved,
1216
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,520
but then we had to
wait for sentencing.
1217
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,240
- It felt really important to me
1218
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,280
that there was a victim
impact statement.
1219
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,640
I was led to believe it'd have
some weight with the judge,
1220
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:51,840
with the sentencing,
1221
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,200
and it was really quite difficult.
1222
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,800
I was in hospital, I hadn't slept,
1223
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:02,240
but I felt I had come this far,
1224
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:05,920
I had to write this statement.
1225
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,240
I can clearly remember
the day I received
1226
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,440
the devastating phone
call that my aunt,
1227
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,400
Christine Robertson had
been raped and murdered.
1228
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,640
That day changed my life forever.
1229
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,680
Her violent death turned
my world upside down.
1230
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,400
I have a chronic lung condition.
1231
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:40,720
In fact, I'm currently in hospital
as I write this statement,
1232
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,240
I'm unable to attend court.
1233
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,960
Please do not take
this as a reflection
1234
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,920
that Christine wasn't cherished.
1235
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,040
Her life had value,
1236
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,080
meaning and happiness.
1237
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:03,200
Christine was kind,
honest, charismatic
1238
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,120
and moreover, she was brave.
1239
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,040
Christine was a much loved sister,
aunt, stepmother
1240
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,600
and a dear friend to many
people all over the world.
1241
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,840
Christine's life was taken
by a vile cowardly predator
1242
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,120
who subjected her
to the most horrific
1243
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,960
and terrifying death
simply because he could.
1244
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,800
His actions stole her future
1245
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,160
and had a huge impact on all
of her friends and family.
1246
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:36,840
For all of us, we realized
1247
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,160
that our lives would
never be the same again.
1248
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,960
Not only has he stolen
Christine's future
1249
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,800
in the most violent of ways,
1250
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,320
but he has stolen the joy
1251
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,320
of sharing our lives with her.
1252
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,320
He didn't even have the
decency to plead guilty.
1253
01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:06,160
He did not count on the kindness
of the people of South Africa
1254
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,040
to be so alarmed by his crime
that they wanted to help.
1255
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,600
I could not bear the thought
1256
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,960
that he could do the
same to someone else.
1257
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,760
I couldn't have it on my conscience.
1258
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:21,680
Can you?
1259
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,240
You have the final say.
1260
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,320
I asked that you sentence
to the maximum sentence
1261
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,440
permitted under South African law.
1262
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:47,840
Andrew was given two life sentences,
1263
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,520
which is the maximum
sentence that could be given.
1264
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,240
It's not gonna bring her back,
1265
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:04,320
but I'm pleased he was found guilty
1266
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,520
and I'm pleased that his
freedom's been taken away.
1267
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,240
But more importantly,
I'm pleased he can never hurt anybody
1268
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,160
or do what he's done to
someone like that again.
1269
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,520
- It is a very good
inspirational story.
1270
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,160
What Lehanne did, it was commendable.
1271
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,120
- It's really, it's unbelievable.
1272
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:28,240
She's still stuck to it,
1273
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,560
if it was not for Lehanne,
this case would not have been solved
1274
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,520
in the next many years,
if it would have been solved.
1275
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,000
- What Lehanne managed to do was
actually give a lot of people hope
1276
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,440
by not only being determined,
1277
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,440
but by actually deciding
that she's not gonna wait
1278
01:32:44,440 --> 01:32:46,480
for someone else to do it for her.
1279
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:49,960
Organization I worked for
at that stage was an NGO,
1280
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,560
combating violence against
women and children,
1281
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:53,920
and after this,
1282
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,080
it was such a massive
motivation to us to say,
1283
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,280
you don't have to wait for
government to do everything.
1284
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,440
Just get it done.
1285
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,120
- Highlighting this
story is essential.
1286
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,120
Gender-based violence and femicide.
1287
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,920
People don't know about
it and yet it's happening.
1288
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,040
This is the reality
that we are dealing with
1289
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:13,960
and what are we gonna do about it?
1290
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,440
- We have amazing examples
of groups of women
1291
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:22,480
that have started to fight back,
1292
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,280
to make their communities safe.
1293
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:31,640
People realize that they can
actually get involved somehow,
1294
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:34,000
not only to speak out,
1295
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,040
but to actually do
something about it.
1296
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,440
- There's so much violence
and misogyny against women.
1297
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,200
Unless people speak out,
change is never gonna happen.
1298
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,480
If this journey's taught me anything,
1299
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,000
it's taught me never
to give up on anything
1300
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:09,520
and it's only by pursuing
what you think is right
1301
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,320
and being tenacious, being noisy,
1302
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,600
making yourself a nuisance.
1303
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,640
It might just help one person
1304
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,600
and if it helps one person,
then that's good enough.
1305
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,720
What
do you think Christine
1306
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,040
would say about what you did?
1307
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,360
- I think she'd probably think--
1308
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,720
it was pretty gutsy, a bit foolish.
1309
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,200
But deep down, I think--
1310
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,160
I think she'd have
done the same for me.
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