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[♪ eerie music playing]
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[clicking]
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[♪ intense music playing]
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We have almost two dozen young women dead,
the victims of the Green River Killer.
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[William Birnes] The whole premise
was using one killer
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to catch another killer.
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It had never been done before.
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And that became
The Silence of the Lambs.
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[♪ intense music continues]
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Less than six hours from now,
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accused mass murderer Ted Bundy
is scheduled to be executed
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in a Florida prison.
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[♪ intense music playing]
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[Bob Keppel] In 1988,
the Green River case was six years old,
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and the killer was still on the loose.
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Ted Bundy asked
for another interview with me.
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His appeals were running out,
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and his life was being measured in months,
if not weeks.
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He was looking for a way out,
or at least more time.
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[reporter] Convicted killer, Ted Bundy
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is one step closer
to the electric chair now.
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[Bob Keppel] Ted said he wanted to
teach me how to interview serial killers,
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which was a lie, of course.
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But, if I could get him to confess
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to the eight unsolved 1974 murders
in Washington,
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I'd play his game.
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I had a plan to draw him out
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and ask him under what circumstances
a convicted killer like himself
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would talk about his crimes.
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[Dave Keppel]
Ted Bundy was trying to manipulate.
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He wanted to be kept alive
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with the little bits of information
he would get out.
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I think Dad just immediately knew
that it was a manipulation.
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[Bob Keppel] Like my partner
Dave Reichert used to say,
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sometimes you have
to be the best friend in the world
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to a person you absolutely hate.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[film strip whirring]
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[reporter]
Convicted kidnapper, Theodore Bundy
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is on his way to Aspen, Colorado,
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where he will stand trial
for first-degree murder.
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He'd been extradited to defend himself
in the Caryn Campbell killing
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and about to be indicted in Colorado.
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This is after he was already charged
with the crime in Utah.
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[reporter] Bundy,
who was serving a one to 15-year term
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at the Utah State Prison
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for his kidnapping conviction
of Carol DaRonch.
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[Birnes] When they got the two notices
from Colorado and Utah,
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they were thrilled.
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That was it. They had their guy.
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[♪ tense music playing]
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Good evening, convicted Utah kidnapper,
Theodore Bundy has escaped
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from an Aspen, Colorado courtroom
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and remains, at this hour,
the subject of a manhunt.
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He always struck up
a comradery with his jailers
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and with the people
who were charged with him.
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And so, he was in this courthouse
and gained the trust of these guys
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who eventually sort of let him wander
farther and farther away.
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That law library was on the second floor,
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and at one point, he turned the corner,
he disappeared,
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he was off.
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[Bob Keppel] Out of sight of his guard,
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Bundy jumped
out of the second-story window.
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The authorities launched one
of the largest manhunts ever in the area,
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leaving the small-town community
in total shock and disbelief.
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Jumping from the courthouse window
during the day was just--
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You know, it's hard to believe.
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Of course, I didn't think,
"Alright, yay, he escaped!"
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And I also did not think to myself,
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"Well, shoot, then that's
kind of an admission of guilt,"
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which basically it is.
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[Bob Keppel] I was 1,200 miles away,
powerless and bewildered.
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The most dangerous man in America,
and they couldn't keep him behind bars.
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A wave of dread washed over me.
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[reporter] After six days, they got him.
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Bundy's plan to escape
through the wilderness failed.
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He broke into a cabin,
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then tried to make a break for it
in a stolen Cadillac,
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and was caught in Aspen.
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Back in the hands of authorities
that night,
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Bundy put on a cocky smile.
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[Bob Keppel] Bundy was taken
to Glenwood Springs Jail,
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where he would be held
during his trial in Aspen.
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[reporter 1] Judge George Lohr
advised him of additional charges:
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escape, second-degree burglary,
misdemeanor theft, and a felony theft.
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-[reporter 2] Hi, Ted.
-How you doing?
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-[reporter 2] Good, how are you?
-Uh, I'm here.
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[Bob Keppel]
But then, the unthinkable happened.
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[♪ dramatic sting]
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Bundy celebrated New Year's Eve
by escaping... again.
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[♪ tense music playing]
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[♪ tense music playing]
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[phone ringing]
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[Bob Keppel] I'll never forget the call
I got from the Salt Lake City investigator
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who said,
"The son of a bitch escaped again."
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I was beyond angry,
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and before I knew it, I had stood up
and was gripping the edge of my desk.
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How could this happen, again?
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[reporter] Bundy was being held here
in the Garfield County Jail
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because it is modern and said to be
much more secure than facilities in Aspen.
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[Steven Winn] He plotted very carefully
what he was gonna do.
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He lost 35 pounds,
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scoped out the plate in the ceiling
that he could remove.
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He determined
where that was going to lead him.
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He did it on New Year's Eve,
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knowing that
defenses were gonna be down.
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[Bob Keppel]
Bundy then crawled along the attic
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through a maze of wires and pipes,
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dropped into an empty office,
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grabbed two guns
and walked out the door.
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The fact that he escaped a second time
remains a sort of moral failing
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on the part of the authorities.
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[Kathleen McChesney] It was very
unfortunate for law enforcement
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there in Colorado.
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It wasn't a good moment for them.
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[Bob Keppel] Every minute he was loose
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was another moment of danger
for everyone around him.
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Who knew what this psychopath would do
to avoid capture?
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He knew that the police departments
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wouldn't necessarily coordinate
about these things.
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They're famously adversarial
with each other and competitive.
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[Bob Keppel] This lack of cooperation
between police agencies
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had already allowed Bundy
to get away with murder
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in Washington, Utah, and Colorado.
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The FBI took over the search
and issued a fugitive warrant for Bundy.
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Agents feel the former Utahn
is out of Colorado
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and possibly even out of the country.
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[reporter] At this point,
with almost nothing to go on,
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the bureau needs all the help it can get.
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[♪ intense music playing]
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[♪ dark, ominous music playing]
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[thudding]
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[McChesney]
If he came back to Washington State,
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it was a state he was very familiar with,
probably knew places to hide.
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And on the other hand,
he was not a stupid fellow.
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[camera clicks]
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To go somewhere else
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where his picture hadn't been on
the front page of the paper numerous times
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where he would just be unknown
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was probably the wiser move.
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We always believed that he would go
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to a place that was more urban
and had a college campus,
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because he was very comfortable
in that environment.
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[Bob Keppel]
Ted saw a news report of his escape
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while he was staying
at the Ann Arbor, Michigan YMCA.
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The walls were closing in.
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He was desperate, running out of money.
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He stole a car and headed south.
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He's driving across the whole country
to Florida.
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He's hungry.
His hormones are driving him crazy.
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What's in Florida?
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Just like University of Washington:
sorority houses.
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[Kathy Kleiner Rubin]
My parents lived in Miami.
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And I found that Florida State University
was as far away from Miami as I could get
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and still pay in-state tuition.
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[♪ dramatic, tense music playing]
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As a freshman, I had lived in a dorm.
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My parents were very adamant
that I get out of the dormitory.
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They felt it wasn't safe enough for me.
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So, that's when they chose Chi Omega.
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I got to move in
in the fall of my sophomore year.
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In the sorority house,
there were 40 women who actually had rooms
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and slept in the house.
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I had a roommate,
and our room was on the second floor,
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and it faced the back of the parking lot.
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[Bob Keppel]
No one knew that Bundy was in Tallahassee
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renting a room just a few blocks away.
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[insects chirring]
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[Kleiner Rubin] January 14th,
I'll never forget that night.
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[♪ tense music playing]
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[♪ dramatic sting]
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Around 11:30,
my roommate and I decided to go to bed.
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So, we turned off the lights,
and we both went to sleep.
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And then, I heard a noise in the room.
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And that noise was the door
swishing over the carpet when it opened.
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And I didn't have my glasses on.
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So, all I saw was a blur.
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And I saw him raise his hand...
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[thuds]
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...and he slammed it down
on my face so hard
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that he broke my jaw in three places.
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[♪ dramatic music playing]
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He cut open my cheek,
exposed the inside of my mouth.
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I almost bit my tongue off.
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And the lacerations
went down into my neck.
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It hurt so bad,
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and it shot daggers and knives
into my whole face.
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And then this person went to my roommate.
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[♪ dramatic music continues]
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He attacked her.
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[thudding]
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And in the meantime,
I'm awake, and I'm trying to make noise.
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And I knew he was gonna kill me.
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And just as he was in my room,
raising his arm up,
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a car was returning
a sorority sister home that night.
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It just illuminated the room.
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And he then ran out my door.
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[♪ dark tones playing]
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Frightened co-eds at Florida State
University in Tallahassee
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walked to class in groups today
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while detectives tried to track a man
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who slipped
into a sorority house early yesterday
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and murdered two women.
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[camera clicking]
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[Bob Keppel] Armed with an oak log,
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Bundy clubbed and strangled to death
20-year-old Lisa Levy
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and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman.
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[camera clicking]
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He then brutally beat three more
of the sleeping co-eds,
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including Karen Chandler
and Kathy Kleiner.
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It was kind of a replay
of Lake Sammamish,
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'cause there were A, multiple victims,
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and B, there was 30-some women
sleeping at a sorority house.
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He was unraveling.
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He couldn't keep it together anymore.
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[♪ dramatic, tense music playing]
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I believe that was his, "Here I am.
Why can't this be stopped?" You know?
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[muffled fighting]
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[reporter]
The killer came in from the night
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and then returned to it with an ease
that has so far baffled the police
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and left most co-eds here terrified.
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[Ken Katsaris] Yeah, I started thinking
about my own daughter.
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So, I determined, as the sheriff,
and with the authority to do so,
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that the sheriff's office
would be the lead investigative agency
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to solve this case
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and bring that person
to the ultimate justice,
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which would be the death penalty
which was authorized in Florida.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[film strip whirring]
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[Bob Keppel] Just like Bundy,
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the longer
the Green River Killer was free,
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the more comfortable he was
with his urge to kill.
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[reporter] Over the last several months,
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police have set up
a 37-member Green River Task Force,
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but officials say
the case is difficult to solve
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because in general, mass murderers
don't leave much evidence behind
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and because not much is known
about their motivations.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[inmates chattering]
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[Bob Keppel] Ted opened the door to a
place we desperately wanted to explore:
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the source of that urge to kill.
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[Bob Keppel] Ted cleared his throat
and placed his finger alongside his head
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as if he were winding up
for a long lecture.
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This was something
he wanted to talk about,
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at least in the third person.
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[film strip whirring]
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[Roger Dunn] We heard
about the Chi Omega case on the news,
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and Kathy, and Bob, and I
looked at each other
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and thought, "Bundy's in Florida."
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[Bob Keppel] Ted went on the run
after the sorority house attacks.
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For the next two weeks,
he drove around Florida
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in a desperate attempt
to elude the police.
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If you've ever watched, uh,
The Andy Griffith Show,
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Lake City was not quite Mayberry,
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but it was close.
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Kids go anywhere they wanted to.
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They'd, uh,
ride their bicycles all over town.
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Doors were not locked,
and houses, you know, no big deal.
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That's-- That's not that way anymore.
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And what started changing it was, uh,
this-- this mess with Ted Bundy.
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[Bob Keppel] Bundy arrived in Lake City.
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And on the morning of February 9th, 1978,
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he spotted a girl
walking behind a building
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at her junior high school.
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[Bob Dekle] Kim was a, uh,
12-year-old girl at Lake City Junior High.
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And in the first period,
somebody found a, uh, pocketbook.
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And one of the girls says,
"That-- that's, uh, Kim Leach's purse."
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Kim went back,
picks it up, walks out the door,
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and, for all practical purposes,
just fell off the face of the earth.
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[♪ unsettling music playing]
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[♪ eerie musical vocalizing]
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[Bob Keppel] Paramedics reported
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a man leading a girl
away from the school by the arm.
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[♪ unsettling music and
eerie vocalizing continue]
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It was the last time
anyone would see Kimberly alive.
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[♪ music fades out]
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[♪ dark, tense music playing]
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[Dekle] You know,
when Kim went missing,
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from day one, law enforcement knew
that, uh, she was not a runaway,
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that more than likely
somebody had snatched her.
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So, there was a huge effort
among the three local agencies
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to find Kim Leach.
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[reporter] Theodore George Bundy
was arrested on Wednesday
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while driving a stolen car.
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But yesterday, it was discovered
he was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list,
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who's suspected of 36 rape-murders
in several Western states.
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[Dekle] I'd never heard of Ted Bundy.
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Uh, I don't think anybody
in law enforcement in Florida
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had ever heard of Ted Bundy.
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[reporter] Among the first to arrive
to question Bundy
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were these detectives
from Tallahassee, Florida.
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At a point,
Ted Bundy says to the investigators,
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"You don't know who you have in custody."
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Our ears perked up
and said, "Wait a minute."
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I knew that this was unfolding rapidly,
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so we went and, uh,
started the investigation.
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[McChesney] We believed that
there was a real possibility
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that Ted Bundy was responsible
for those cases.
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[Dunn] Bob stayed in contact
with those people in Florida
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offering any assistance
or anything that he could remember.
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I think Bob kept a lot of his notes.
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Fortunately, the state of Florida
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got the pound of flesh
that everybody wanted.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[film strip whirring]
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[Bob Keppel] When police
in Pensacola, Florida arrested Bundy,
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they'd captured a criminal type
they'd never seen before:
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an alleged serial killer
on the FBI's Most Wanted list,
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a suspect in more than 25 murders.
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And Bundy was soon their prime suspect
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in the Kimberly Leach
missing persons case.
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[reporter] The badly decomposed body
of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach
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of Lake City, Florida was found
under a piece of tin in an old hog shed,
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40 miles from where she was abducted
on February 9th.
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[Dekle] The body been placed under a shed.
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And I got down
and I saw Kim, and I saw her clothing,
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and I said,
"You know, here we are, we found her."
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Then the crime scene crew worked the scene
and found a treasure trove of evidence.
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And, uh, there was-- you know,
we had no question who'd--
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uh, that, uh, Bundy was guilty
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and no question that we could prove it.
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[camera clicks]
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[Winn] He had stolen a van
from Florida State and driven over there,
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and there were all sorts
of hair samples and blood
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and the leaves that matched
where she was found.
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It was just a traveling van
of probative evidence
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that was-- that was gonna convict him,
which he surely knew by then.
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He arrived at the Leon County Jail
and I was there waiting for him.
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I put my hand on his bicep and I told him,
"You aren't going anywhere."
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Step out, Mr. Bundy.
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[reporter] In an unusual setting,
Bundy was informed of the charges
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as he stepped from the jailhouse elevator.
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[Ted Bundy] Yeah, let's see.
Oh, it's saying an indictment.
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Alright, why don't you read it to me?
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[Winn] Ken Katsaris relished this.
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Katsaris made a show of it.
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He invited the press.
There were video cameras there.
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My chance to talk to the press--
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[Katsaris] "Contrary to Section 782.04,
Florida statute."
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I'll plead not guilty right now.
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You know, Katsaris was a showman
and Bundy was a showman
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and they were in competition.
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He and Bundy were serious adversaries.
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[Bundy] You're on the ballot for election,
aren't you?
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-Mr. Bundy-- Mr. Bundy--
-You finally got it, didn't you?
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Told them that-- you told them that
you were gonna get me.
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He said he was gonna get me.
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Okay, you've got the indictment.
It's all you're gonna get.
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Let's read it. Let's go.
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We locked him up under circumstances
that were tighter than anybody else.
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He was in a solid cell for four people
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by himself.
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At that time,
I had my investigators there,
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and he was acting weird
and had special requirements.
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He wanted to be interviewed by a window.
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He wanted to be able to
see the full moon.
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And he had all these special requests.
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And I-- I was getting a little irritated
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because they were not getting
any information from him.
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[Bob Keppel] Now, at last,
Ted Bundy was back behind bars,
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and after just a few hours in jail,
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he was especially vulnerable
and willing to talk.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[♪ dark, tense music playing]
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[Bob Keppel] I knew what Bundy meant.
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Serial killers are unlike
any other type of criminals.
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They're battle-hardened.
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They can stand up to interrogators
looking for a quick confession,
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and they know more about serial murder
than almost any detective.
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[Louis Schlesinger]
He doesn't want publicity.
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He wants to keep quiet.
Really?
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Why did you represent yourself pro se
with the cameras on there
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if you don't want publicity?
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He absolutely wanted publicity,
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because it feeds in
to another personality trait that he has,
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which is narcissism.
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He wants to be the center of attention
to everybody.
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[♪ dark music playing]
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[crowd chattering]
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[Bob Keppel]
More than 20 television stations
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set up in a Miami courthouse
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for the trial of the former law student
and accused killer
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as he led his own defense.
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This was the first criminal case
ever televised.
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It was actually fascinating to watch.
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The Bundy trial
has drawn a lot of attention,
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partly because of who he is,
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a mysterious former law student
with a charming air in court,
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and partly because of the crimes
he is accused of committing.
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[Bob Keppel]
His Florida trial gave Bundy center stage.
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It was a showcase
for his grandiosity, bravado,
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and overinflated ego.
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In court, Ted Bundy ended up
being his own attorney,
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asking questions
of both the victims of his crime
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as well as witnesses.
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[Winn] He was a terrible law student.
He never finished law school.
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Judge Cowart said,
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"Well, you defend yourself,
you got a fool for a client." [chuckles]
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[Winn] There were times in the courtroom
when he looked lifeless and bereft.
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There was a kind of
a dead-behind-the-eyes quality.
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[Bob Keppel] Outside the courtroom,
Bundy's mystique was growing.
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There were Bundy souvenirs,
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00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:25,805
Bundy memorabilia,
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even Bundy fan clubs.
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[Katherine Ramsland] Ted Bundy
has gotten the most media attention.
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He had charisma, he did a lot
of representing himself to the media.
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I think Bundy's just become
the most visible of serial killers.
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When you think
of the phrase "serial killer,"
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that's the person
that most often springs to mind.
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[reporter] What is unusual to see
is that many of the onlookers are women,
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young women, contemporaries
of the five Florida State sorority sisters
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who were assaulted in their beds
a year and a half ago.
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Every time he turns around,
I kinda get that feeling,
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"Oh, no," you know? [chuckles]
"Gonna get me next."
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[reporter]
But, yet you're fascinated by it.
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Very, very.
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[Kleiner Rubin] The public is interested
and fascinated by Ted Bundy.
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How could he be a serial killer?
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People look at him and think,
"Oh, he's just a normal guy.
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He went to law school,"
and you know, all this stuff.
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He doesn't have horns
and he doesn't look like a devil,
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but he was.
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[♪ dark, unsettling music playing]
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When it was my day to testify,
I put on this bright red dress,
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and I went to the courtroom.
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I saw Ted Bundy.
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He was sitting there staring at me,
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and I stared at him.
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And then when I was through
with my testimony,
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I was walked back out of the court,
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and I felt I was gonna throw up.
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The whole process had just hit me,
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and-- and I understood
everything that had happened
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and that my part of the story now was over
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and I had done the best I could
to help in prosecuting him.
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[reporter] The jury took
little time finalizing its decision.
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The scramble was on to beam
the news by satellite across Florida
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and west to Seattle,
Salt Lake City, and Denver.
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[Judge Edward Cowart]
Count Three of the information,
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a jury of your peers, having found you
guilty of Murder in the First Degree
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of this court,
adjudged you guilty.
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[♪ dramatic music plays]
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00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:36,060
[♪ dark, tense music playing]
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00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:42,233
In Miami, Theodore Bundy has been
sentenced to die in the electric chair
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for the murder
of two Florida sorority sisters.
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[Judge Cowart] It is further ordered
that on such scheduled date
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that you be put to death.
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[Winn] After he was sentenced,
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he told Judge Edward Cowart,
"I'm not asking for mercy.
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I find it somewhat absurd to ask for mercy
for something I did not do."
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[Bundy] So, I will be tortured for
and will suffer for
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and receive the pain for that act,
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00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:11,304
but I will not share the burden
or the guilt.
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00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,515
[Bob Keppel]
Ted's denials were true to form,
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00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,185
his usual mix of arrogance and lies.
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00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:18,978
It left a bitter taste,
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00:32:19,062 --> 00:32:22,023
but what did I expect
from this wormy psychopath?
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The truth? Remorse?
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00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:25,443
Never.
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00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:29,447
[film strip whirring]
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00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:33,993
After less than seven hours
of deliberation,
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the jury finds Bundy guilty of kidnapping
and murdering Kimberly Leach.
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The judge hands down
Bundy's second death sentence.
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00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,087
-Get off!
-[lawyer] Wait a minute. Judge--
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Let go of me.
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00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:47,090
We're gonna go up to the holdings.
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[lawyer] The court be in recess.
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[Dekle] After the dust had settled
and the smoke had cleared,
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the awful nature of what had happened
really hit me.
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They had just published a picture of her
in a paper.
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00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:03,856
Thinking about that,
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00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:08,611
thinking about
what awful things had happened to her,
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00:33:09,904 --> 00:33:11,072
I cried.
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00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:17,745
Uh, I got psychological scars from that
that, uh, I'll carry to my grave.
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[reporter]
The jury deliberated about 45 minutes.
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00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,959
They came back with the decision of death.
479
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:25,378
"And it impose the death penalty
upon the defendant,
480
00:33:25,461 --> 00:33:26,796
Theodore Robert Bundy."
481
00:33:26,879 --> 00:33:28,798
Tell the jury that they were wrong.
482
00:33:29,757 --> 00:33:31,843
[Bob Keppel]
Bundy was now convicted and sentenced,
483
00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:35,013
so I had assumed the story of Ted Bundy
would end in Florida.
484
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:39,350
Fate, however,
had charted a different course.
485
00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,770
[Dekle] He was getting
closer and closer to the end,
486
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:49,360
uh, so he was casting about for excuses
to not get the death penalty.
487
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:54,157
And if he could turn himself
into some kind of a, uh, guru
488
00:33:54,824 --> 00:33:57,910
for, uh, helping people
solve serial killer cases,
489
00:33:58,661 --> 00:34:02,165
you know, that just might be his ticket
to escaping the death penalty.
490
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:05,585
[♪ dark music playing]
491
00:34:05,668 --> 00:34:08,171
[film strip whirring]
492
00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:20,183
[Bob Keppel] Bundy wanted to talk,
I agreed,
493
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:25,104
even though being part of
a serial killer's scheme to avoid justice
494
00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:27,148
made my skin crawl.
495
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,115
But still, I agreed to meet with him.
496
00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:40,495
I believed Bundy's insights
into serial killers
497
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:45,249
could provide valuable information
for homicide investigators in the future.
498
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:50,171
Besides, Bundy was behind bars,
The Riverman wasn't.
499
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:56,260
By 1985, he was suspected
of killing 42 women.
500
00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:00,807
By the end of the year,
the total would be even higher.
501
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,313
[reporter]
Authorities in Oregon said today
502
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:10,233
that the bodies of five young women
found last week
503
00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,360
may be victims
of the Green River Killer.
504
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,322
[Bob Keppel] In 1985,
the remains of a young woman
505
00:35:16,405 --> 00:35:19,242
were found near a golf course
in Tigard, Oregon.
506
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:24,330
Investigators suspected
she was another victim of The Riverman.
507
00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:29,127
Dental records identified her
as 16-year-old Tammie Liles.
508
00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,880
Tammie's family reported her missing
two years earlier.
509
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:33,965
[camera clicks]
510
00:35:34,048 --> 00:35:36,717
I remember coming in the house
from playing outside
511
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:38,302
and KING 5 News was on,
512
00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:44,851
and they were showing
a Task Force picking up bones in Oregon,
513
00:35:44,934 --> 00:35:48,312
not knowing... that
that was our sister, Tammie.
514
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,023
[♪ dark, somber music playing]
515
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,653
[John Liles] We got pulled outta school
and we went to my mom's office.
516
00:35:55,736 --> 00:35:57,071
She worked at the hospital.
517
00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,906
And when we got there,
there were all the police,
518
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,325
the sheriffs, and everything,
and that's when they told us.
519
00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:02,410
[camera clicks]
520
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,288
[Jason Liles] They were wearing
those Green River Task Force jackets.
521
00:36:05,371 --> 00:36:06,414
[siblings] Mm-hmm.
522
00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:08,082
So, once you see that,
523
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,584
-then you kind of think--
-Then you know.
524
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,378
Like, "Okay, now something's really
gonna be going on here," you know?
525
00:36:12,461 --> 00:36:15,548
That's when I kinda started thinking
about, "Okay, maybe--
526
00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:17,633
maybe this is what happened to her."
527
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,512
[Bob Keppel]
Tammie Liles was laid to rest,
528
00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:25,099
but The Green River Killer
was still free.
529
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:28,978
There was no closure,
530
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:31,147
only questions.
531
00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:39,405
[♪ tense music playing]
532
00:36:39,488 --> 00:36:43,034
[Bob Keppel] By the time
Bundy and I sat down in 1988,
533
00:36:43,117 --> 00:36:46,537
he was still appealing his case,
but the clock was ticking.
534
00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:51,167
I was flipping back and forth
between Ted and The Green River Killer.
535
00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:56,672
After all these years,
I now needed Ted to talk about himself.
536
00:36:57,256 --> 00:36:58,424
I played for time,
537
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:01,510
even when I knew there was no time.
538
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:04,847
He had to come to me.
539
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,766
[♪ tense music continues]
540
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:50,434
[Bob Keppel]
Ted was talking about himself.
541
00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:53,354
He didn't want to die
in the electric chair.
542
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:57,191
It seemed like
he was really close to opening up.
543
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,987
He was wriggling around in his chair
like I'd never seen before.
544
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,383
[Bob Keppel] What I didn't know
was that the day before,
545
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:25,553
Ted's attorney
had convinced him not to confess to me.
546
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:29,098
If it hadn't been for his attorney,
547
00:38:29,181 --> 00:38:32,018
I suspect
Bundy would've begun telling all.
548
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,232
[♪ tense music continues playing]
549
00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:43,070
Keppel thought he had failed with Bundy
550
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:48,534
because although Bundy had told him a lot,
didn't tell him enough.
551
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:55,207
[Katsaris] He was never going
to give us good or valuable information.
552
00:38:55,791 --> 00:38:58,961
The people that were there collecting it,
I admire them,
553
00:38:59,045 --> 00:39:01,714
but in my opinion, he was playing them.
554
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:04,925
And he would continue playing that game,
555
00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:09,221
and to this day,
we'd be playing games with Ted Bundy.
556
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,226
Uh, he'd talk till he was
blue in the face.
557
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,395
He's not gonna do those victim's
a bit of good.
558
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:18,105
They're dead, they're gone.
559
00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:22,234
And, uh, he is breathing good air
560
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:24,945
that somebody else could be breathing,
561
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:26,697
and he needs to die.
562
00:39:27,615 --> 00:39:29,283
[phone ringing]
563
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,621
[Bob Keppel] I got a call
from Bundy's lawyers
564
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:35,915
asking me to come back to Florida.
565
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:39,335
[Birnes]
Bundy comes up with a strategy.
566
00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:44,840
He says, "If I can tell you stories
of my crimes, I can stay alive."
567
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:49,387
[Winn] You know, he held the cards,
he knew everything.
568
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,305
Even as he was awaiting his execution,
569
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,809
he had a kind of a power
that gratified him.
570
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,061
[♪ dark, tense music playing]
571
00:40:02,858 --> 00:40:05,820
[Bill Hagmaier] There were investigators
from four states:
572
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:11,117
Colorado, Utah, Idaho,
and, um, Washington.
573
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:13,702
At that point,
I think there were only six days left
574
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,162
before he was going to die.
575
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:42,022
[Bob Keppel]
Was Bundy playing another game?
576
00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:47,027
If so, this time,
the game involved his own life.
577
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:49,864
He had just days to live.
578
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,892
[♪ dramatic music plays]
579
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,271
[reporter]
The latest attempts to spare Bundy
580
00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:24,190
from Florida's electric chair
ran their course
581
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:26,942
when the US Supreme Court refused
to hear his case.
582
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,362
[Birnes] His lawyers were going
to the Supreme Court.
583
00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:32,907
He says,
"I can give you a lot more information
584
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:34,700
if I can stay alive."
585
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,953
Ted's trying to extend his life.
586
00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:43,125
And he's going to say enough
that they're going to go back and say,
587
00:41:43,209 --> 00:41:44,752
"Hey, give him another 90 days."
588
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,131
[reporter] Ted Bundy confessed that
he committed at least eight murders
589
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841
in Washington State.
590
00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:09,235
Keppel wants to solve
The Green River murders case.
591
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:13,906
It was kind of just this legendary case
in the office that had never been solved.
592
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,033
[Dave Reichert] It almost seemed like
593
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:18,911
you're working
in the Super Bowl of murder cases,
594
00:42:19,662 --> 00:42:22,456
and someone tells you it's--
it's over and you've lost.
595
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:26,585
I never had a thought
that we weren't gonna catch him.
596
00:42:27,002 --> 00:42:29,755
I just wondered how, when, and where.
597
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,132
And I knew I wanted to be a part of it.
598
00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:34,552
[Patty Eakes]
There were a lot more missing women
599
00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:37,471
and he was much more effective
at hiding their bodies.
600
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,057
The Supreme Court said,
"There's nothing more to be gained,
601
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:42,601
carry out the sentence."
602
00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:46,313
[Bob Keppel] Come on, partner.
These are things I don't know about you.
603
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,108
[reporter] No one could be sure
Bundy didn't have
604
00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:51,402
a last trick up his sleeve.
605
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:54,321
[clicking]
606
00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:59,076
[♪ tense music playing]
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