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- [Tony] For centuries, people around the world

have been haunted by tales of the supernatural.

- [Jesse] Like, I can't believe I'm watching this.

- [Witness] Oh, my God.

What is going on now? It's-- [gasps]

- I had chills down the back of my neck.

- [Tony] Ghost sightings.

- [Evie] [screams] Uncle!

- Maybe this kid really does see dead people.

- [Tony] Demonic possession.

- The Catholic church acknowledges demonic possession

as a real phenomenon.

- [Tony] Satanic panics.

- Wow, that's crazy.

- [Tony] Even reincarnation.

- I woke up almost every night

reliving what happened to me in my past life.

- [Tony] On this special episode

of The Proof is Out There: Unexplained Edition,

"Supernatural Forces,"

we'll analyze incredible evidence

of supernatural phenomenon caught on camera.

- We do have something really significant here.

- Something like this can't be real,

- Totally freaky, doesn't make any sense.

- It's actually kind of disturbing.

- [Tony] Then, we'll pass a verdict.

- It is a possibility the child that we're observing

is a ghost.

- The proof starts now.

[dramatic music]

Good evening and welcome to The Proof is Out There.

We've all seen psychic mediums on talk shows

claiming to communicate with the dead.

But what if instead of on TV,

it was happening live right before your very eyes?

And what if the medium was an infant?

Strap on your Pampers and check this out.

It's December 2021 in the suburbs of Akron, Ohio.

22-month-old Evelyn Witt, known as Evie,

is in her highchair when her mom, Tana,

hears something odd and starts filming.

- [Tana] Who are you talking to?

- [Tony] The video shows that no one else

is in the room with little Evie,

but she seems to be having a chat.

[Evie screams]

- [Tony] With an invisible uncle.

- [Tana] Who are you talking to?

No!

- [Tony] Tana wonders if the toddler

is saying the word, "Uncle."

- [Tana] Who are you talking to?

Evelyn, who are you talking to?

- Shh, shh, shh.

- [Tony] That would make sense

since Tana's brother, Evie's Uncle Tim,

lived at home with Evie's grandmother, Debra Henley.

She watches the little girl during the day.

- When I would go to the park,

he'd come with me, so he'd help me.

He would take her on the swings and down the slide and...

Woo!

You know, he was just a big part of her life.

What do you think?

[Debra laughing]

- [Tony] Tragically,

one month before Tana filmed her mysterious video,

Uncle Tim died of an accidental drug overdose.

So that begs the question:

Are we watching little Evie talking to Uncle Tim's ghost?

- She talked a lot about Tim

and she would say things that I don't think that she knew

as a young child.

- [Tana] Who else was happy?

- [Tana] Tim's happy? - Yeah.

- She was talking to him, I'm almost sure of it.

- There're some theorists that say that babies

can actually see beyond the visible spectrum of light,

and it is said that the spirit world

essentially lives outside of that visible spectrum.

- There is another potential source

of supernatural connection

between children and the spirit world,

the pineal gland,

a little understood gland in the center of the brain

that produces melatonin.

It's been connected to the mystical third-eye chakra

of eastern religions.

Some claim children's pineal glands have not yet atrophied,

which give them visibility

into a broader spectrum of reality.

But what is our experts' sense?

[pensive music]

- The recording's structure was analyzed

and there is specific metadata in the file

which would have been produced from the original version.

So, there is no evidence to suggest

that any kind of fabrication occurred with this interaction.

- [Tana] Who are you talking to?

- [Tony] So the video is authentic.

But is Evie's apparent encounter with Uncle Tim?

Can children really see things adults can't?

Can children see outside the visible spectrum of light

as some have claimed?

- In general,

children's vision is actually worse than our vision.

In fact, when you're born,

you only see black and white and have very limited vision,

and this increases rapidly in the first six months.

So, there will still be some development

with the eyes and vision at this age.

- [Tony] Theoretical physicist, Dr. Michio Kaku

adds that Evie is also still developing her social skills

and her understanding of object permanence.

So, could she be chatting with an imaginary friend?

- Sometimes, their imaginary friends

are confused with real ones.

It won't be 'til around age three

that a sense of what is real and not real

becomes solidified in their mind,

and realize that she's only 22 months old.

- [Tana] Who are you talking to?

- [Tony] Then what do our experts think

is the cause of Evie's inexplicable interactions

with Uncle Tim?

- I think the most likely situation here

is that Evelyn is mimicking behaviors

of the family members around her.

Going through a bereavement, kids are like sponges,

and this is a way of Evelyn dealing with that situation.

- [Tony] Still, Evie continuously turns back

and addresses the same exact spot in the room.

Even Dr. Kaku cautions against jumping to conclusions.

- Obviously, she has an emotional connection,

but the key question is, to what?

The danger is that we impose

our understanding of life and death to children.

Their understanding of life and death

could be quite different from those of an adult.

Maybe children can see another aspect of reality

that we cannot see.

[pensive music]

- So, this is a tough one

because we witnessed in real-time, Evelyn

having conversations with an invisible or imaginary entity.

For now, we're saying these interactions are unexplained.

It's certainly possible Evie was just imagining

her uncle was there, but we can't say that for sure,

and the family is convinced

that something more was going on.

In the meantime,

they urge anyone affected by substance abuse in Ohio

to contact Hope United.

[suspenseful music]

Savannah, Georgia

is possibly the most haunted city in America.

It saw some of the most brutal casualties of the Civil War,

suffered through several epidemics,

and was a major port of entry

for the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

There is no shortage of troubled souls in the area,

and now a teenager may have captured evidence

of the city's spooky claim to fame.

It's December 2008 in Savannah,

and tourist Jesse Greathouse

is visiting from Akron, Ohio with his family.

He's playing with the family's new camcorder

during their trip to historic Colonial Park Cemetery

when he captures something

that causes a social media uproar.

As the footage rolls, we see Jesse zooming in and out

around various gravestones and mausoleums,

when off in the distance,

a translucent child in white robes seems to appear.

The apparition runs behind tombstones, jumps into a tree,

and then drops back down to the ground

before suddenly disappearing.

It all happens pretty quickly, so let's take a closer look.

Ignore the person walking by in the foreground

and follow the bright white figure in the background,

moving quickly from right to left.

You can barely catch him getting into the tree,

but you can clearly see him jumping down

before vanishing near someone pushing a stroller.

- I was walking around and just filming,

and this kid kind of, like,

catches my eye, just in the camera,

and it was real fluorescent, kind of almost bright.

So, when we went to go watch it,

it really just put in perspective

that we do have something really significant here.

To this day, it's almost like, still like disbelief,

like I can't believe I'm watching this.

- [Tony] Author Heidi Hollis,

who writes about the supernatural,

suggests this ghostly figure may have plenty of company.

- 700 people were victims of yellow fever

and they're buried in a mass grave there.

So, I think it's a possibility

that the child that we're witnessing in this video

was indeed a victim of yellow fever.

- [Tony] According to a historical marker,

nearly 700 victims of the 1820 yellow fever epidemic

were buried in a mass grave.

But records allegedly show

that exactly 666 people are buried in the cemetery,

and the numbers were fudged

so that nobody would associate the epidemic

with the work of the devil.

During the Civil War,

the cemetery also served as a camp for union soldiers

who laid siege to the city.

- Paranormal activity might indeed congregate in an area

when something negative has happened,

so it is a possibility the child that we're observing

is a ghost still wandering here on this Earth.

[pensive music]

- This video sends chills down my spine.

Established in 1750,

Colonial Park was the first public cemetery in Savannah.

It also served for time as the city's dueling grounds.

During Sherman's March to the Sea,

it is believed union soldiers desecrated

and disturbed the grave sites.

So, this cemetery surely has some stories to tell,

but what's the real story of this video?

Let's summon the presence of our experts.

[pensive music]

- Typically, when evidence is manipulated intentionally,

there are other indicators

that we would detect through software tools

because the average consumer

doesn't know how to conceal that information.

No evidence of additional tools were detected

or changes to the evidence drastic enough

to warrant intent to deceive.

- [Tony] Physicist Dr. Matthew Szydagis

examines the possibility that the image is a product

of something called video ghosting.

- Because this was on an analog tape,

this is not the best image quality.

What if something had been previously recorded,

video of a child running around that then got superimposed

on the later video of the cemetery?

That might explain the strange coloration

of the childlike figure

as simply some sort of echo or memory,

not in the ghostly sense,

but in the sense of a previous video on the same tape.

- [Tony] So then could this actually be the figure

of a ghost caught on tape?

- I do not see any evidence here

that this child does anything paranormal

or out of the ordinary.

I don't see any reactions from any of the bystanders

as if something strange is happening.

I think what we're seeing here

is an ordinary, non-dead human child

that's playing in a cemetery.

- Okay, we agree with Szydagis that, at first glance,

this looks like it could be just an ordinary child

dressed in light-colored clothing.

It's this moment right here that makes us have our doubts.

Watch as the figure seems to shape-shift

then leaps into a nearby tree and then falls to the ground,

and no one seems to notice.

Very strange.

[suspenseful music]

- We cannot confirm the authenticity

of what that camera saw on that day.

So, the verdict for this case is inconclusive

and we would need additional information to be able to opine

or identify specifically as to what that object is.

[pensive music]

- The verdict? This is possibly a living child.

Szydagis's observation

that the bystanders didn't react is telling,

yet that unnatural movement at the end leaves us wondering.

Meanwhile, Jesse remains adamant

that this is a genuine ghost,

so we leave it up to you to decide.

- Have you ever had a premonition,

a feeling that something is about to happen

moments before it actually does?

It's more common than you think.

And for some parents out there,

it may have been the difference between life and death.

A quick warning that some viewers

might find the following images disturbing.

We're in Jambi, Indonesia.

A father at a local bike shop is working

as his kids play in front.

Then, without warning,

the family finds themselves in the path of fatal danger.

[tires screeching] [car crashing]

Watch again.

[tires screeching] [car crashing]

Let's slow it down and freeze.

This appears to be the moment dad senses the car,

and in about .78 seconds,

he springs into action and pulls the children to safety.

[tires screeching] [car crashing]

Incredible.

Similar displays of incredible parental reflexes

have popped up recently,

like in this video from Vietnam in 2019.

Just watch that again.

The woman is knocked off the motorbike,

but still has the presence of mind to grab this child

just before she's crushed by the oncoming truck.

It's almost too fast to measure.

- One of the theories that has been postulated

by noted author Dr. Larry Dossey

says that we all essentially have a premonition instinct,

but particularly in the case of parents

where there is a unique bond with the child,

premonitions can be even more likely.

- [Tony] But even if these parents

had a premonition of danger,

it's even more astonishing how quickly their bodies

were able to react in a fraction of a second.

- It's said that, typically,

we only access a portion of our power, perhaps about 65%,

but there is a phenomenon called hysterical strength.

When something is happening so quick

where there's no time to react,

there is a rush of adrenaline

that pushes us to do the unfathomable,

and I think that might be something that we saw here.

- Look, scientists are divided

on the existence of this phenomena

because it's nearly impossible

to test emergency situations in a controlled lab.

However, these videos might be proof of either parental ESP

or superhuman reflexes.

To be sure, we call in the experts.

[pensive music]

- Although it's entirely possible

and conceivable to manipulate events like this

using sophisticated software or technology,

I don't see or detect any evidence

to support that that's what was done here.

- [Tony] So the video is legit,

but physicist Michio Kaku

doubts it's proof of a premonition.

- Sometimes, we have premonition

that an accident will happen,

and then sometimes it does,

in which case, you think that maybe you're a psychic.

Most premonitions are false alarms, but one time out of 10,

maybe it does prepare you for an emergency.

So, this ability of ours to, quote,

predict the future by having a premonition

is very selective.

We forget all the misses.

- [Tony] So if this wasn't the result

of a true premonition,

perhaps these lightning-fast reflexes

are related to hysterical strength.

- Usually, when you perform something,

your prefrontal cortex acts as a check

and says, "Slow down, do it this way, do it that way."

However, in an emergency,

where split-second decisions have to be made,

a lot of the prefrontal cortex's decisions are overruled.

All of a sudden, you take risks.

Yes, muscles will tear,

yes, you're gonna suffer damage,

but you do it anyway because the adrenaline says,

"You can do it."

[pensive music]

- Our verdict, while we can't prove

or disprove these parents had a premonition,

it was certainly adrenaline

that gave them extraordinary reflexes

at just the right time.

[suspenseful music]

There are no UFOs or strange monsters in this next story.

We love those types of mysteries,

but this one is a bit different.

It features a real-life superhero

and the awe-inspiring power of the human body and spirit.

It's May 26th, 2018 in Paris, France.

Lebanese chef, Tarek Dandach

is getting his haircut in the city's 18th arrondissement

when he hears a big commotion and runs out to the street.

- [Tony] Suddenly, a Malian immigrant named Mamoudou Gassama

leaps into action.

- [Tony] Mamoudou swiftly makes it all the way up

to the fourth floor.

Then, with the help of a man standing on the next balcony,

he pulls the toddler up to safety

before the boy's grip gives way.

- [Tony] Let's take another look at the video.

See how Mamoudou seems to launch his body

so he can grab onto the rail?

Incredible.

Of course, free solo climbers can scale sheer rock faces

and even skyscrapers,

but that requires extensive training and preparation.

So how did Mamoudou, an everyday guy,

instantly acquire such exceptional abilities?

Could he be naturally hardwired

to put himself at risk for others?

Turns out, there's a theoretical condition

called super-altruism.

- We have super-altruists among us,

those who really put themselves at risk,

or who exert a tremendous amount of energy

for some other individuals

or some cause they truly believe in.

[pensive music]

- This instinct towards super-altruism

seems to be strongest when trying to save

the most vulnerable, like children.

So does Mamoudou have this amazing selflessness

of a super-altruist, some extraordinary agility, or both?

Let's go to our experts.

[pensive music]

- This guy here is obviously very athletic.

You can see that he's able to reach up very high

to the next balcony,

but he's just free soloing.

He's going up there without any kind of safety.

He's not even hesitating.

- [Tony] Yet remarkably,

Mamoudou claims to have no climbing experience.

So, could this ascent be fueled strictly by adrenaline?

- Superhuman strength

is also called hysterical strength by scholars

and it is thought to occur during life-or-death situations,

and it's a short period of time

in which humans appear to have this surge of extra strength

and it is often attributed

to a rush of adrenaline that flows into the blood.

- [Tony] In interviews,

Mamoudou confirms that after the rescue,

he was so afraid he was shaking,

a sure sign of an adrenaline rush.

But back to that theory,

are some folks hardwired to do stuff like this?

- There could be an altruism gene,

a gene that protects not just your children and your genes,

but a gene that protects your group,

your tribe, your people,

to make sure that their genes

can propagate into the next generation.

- [Tony] Mamoudou himself later offered his own explanation.

He said his faith in God gave him both the courage

and the strength.

- Perhaps it was God giving him the inspiration

to put his own life on the line and to save this child.

He was truly inspired to take this altruism

to a whole new level.

[pensive music]

- Our verdict?

Mamoudou's faith led him to this act of super-altruism.

His physique enabled him to start the daring climb

with no experience,

and adrenaline gave him a boost to pull it off.

The whether there's a super-altruism gene,

that's still a mystery.

- There are many rumors about what's buried deep

within the estimated 16 million pages of documents

in the Vatican Secret Archives.

Some are claiming these archives

also include shocking videos,

and this next clip is their alleged proof.

We are not convinced this footage is real,

but we're certain it is disturbing.

It's August 2019.

A strange video said to be filmed in Auray, France

starts making the rounds on the internet.

It's rumored to be footage

that was discovered in the Vatican,

and you can see why.

A brief black-and-white clip shows a woman in a plaid dress

climbing a brick wall with one arm

while dragging a woman in a dark dress up by her hair

in the other.

When the creepy wall climber gets close to the top,

she dangles the frightened struggling woman

for a few seconds

before dropping her to the ground

as the video suddenly cuts off.

What gets me is this moment.

Let's freeze it right here.

The woman in the plaid dress isn't just climbing up the wall

with superhuman strength.

She is doing it with one hand.

How on Earth is that possible?

The internet lit up with claims

that this woman was possessed by the devil.

- In the gospels,

we have 12 or more cases where Jesus casts out a demon.

In one, Mark 5, he encounters legion.

And in that case, the person who's possessed

exhibits such strength that no chains can control him.

- [Tony] According to the Bible,

legion refers to a group of demons

who collectively possess the man,

but are exorcised by Jesus

and turned into pigs that then drown.

- The Catholic church acknowledges demonic possession

as a real phenomenon

and actually has a rite of exorcism

that's carried out in dioceses all over the United States

and around the world.

Father Gabriele Amorth,

who is perhaps the most famous modern exorcist,

claimed to have done over 1,000 exorcisms

during his lifetime.

- [Tony] Exorcisms have even been done by popes.

And the number of priests performing exorcisms

is on the rise.

According to one source,

in 2005, there were only a dozen in the US.

Today, there are around 150.

So, could there be hidden examples

of demonic possession in the Vatican's vault?

- All kinds of crazy things are claimed to be in there.

UFO evidence, things that might debunk church teaching,

and also a time machine that supposedly could take you back

to the time of the Crucifixion.

[pensive music]

- Only thoroughly vetted scholars

are allowed access to the Vatican Secret Archives.

And to enter, they must get through Swiss Guard security.

The researchers can view a maximum

of three pre-requested documents a day.

They are not allowed to photograph anything

and must re-request access every six months.

With that kind of security,

it seems it would take a real heist to leak this footage

if it's stored there.

We'll leave it to our experts to sniff out any culprits.

[pensive music]

First, emergency medicine physician Dr. Ed Hope

analyzes if it's even possible

for a person to climb a wall one-handed,

as seen in the clip.

- The wall is probably much harder to climb than most rocks.

She's also only climbing with one hand.

She has to let go of her hand

to then be able to extend it to climb higher up.

You'd expect her probably just to fall off the wall.

- [Tony] So, the woman's climbing technique

seems highly improbable,

but could a rush of adrenaline make this achievable?

Here's a theory some accounts a possession

can be attributed to hysterical strength,

where the body's stress response triggers this hormone.

- Whenever we're in a stressful situation,

we secrete adrenaline into our bloodstream.

This sends more blood supply to the muscles.

It also makes more oxygen available,

so it increases your heart rate and your respiratory rate.

But adrenaline only goes so far.

It's not suddenly gonna increase your muscle mass,

improve your tendons,

or give you climbing technique

enough to suddenly scale a building.

- [Tony] Then could this actually be

a demonic possession?

Dr. Hope wonders, is it even possible to be physically

or psychologically possessed?

- In Medieval Times,

mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia,

and physical illnesses, such as epilepsy,

were often diagnosed as demonic possession.

So that's thankfully largely being replaced

as our medical knowledge has increased.

And if someone was demonically possessed,

they're still working

within the physical boundaries of the human body.

- [Tony] With Dr. Hope doubting this video's authenticity,

can forensic video analyst Michael Primeau

help us figure out if it's truly legit?

- Geometric shadow analysis

was applied to specific areas of the image

where we see shadows,

and you can see here

that there's shadows coming from this direction,

which is the primary light source.

But the way that the light

is coming in and down in this direction,

it's inconsistent.

You know, light can't produce two different shadows.

If we're to assume this is a natural,

primary light source, being the Sun.

These shadows were fabricated.

- [Tony] Primeau concludes this scene

must have been composited with CGI,

using techniques to make it look old.

- This appears to be a high-quality image,

something that would have been produced

from a high-definition camera.

Being that it was black and white,

this was most likely a filter that was applied

to try to demonstrate that this happened some time ago.

The general size of the video

is inconsistent with older technology

that would've produced a black and white video resolution.

[pensive music]

- Our verdict? This video was made with CGI.

While the mysterious Vatican Archives are very real,

this video just isn't.

- When you think of ghosts,

you think of them avenging a wrong

or haunting some dilapidated house in the woods.

But could they be in pursuit of something far simpler,

say a midnight snack?

It's September 2021 in Nova Scotia, Canada.

Construction worker Catlin Cormier

is in the kitchen at a job site,

when suddenly, something goes haywire.

As his coworker opens the doors of a cabinet,

a jar of peanut butter

is wildly spinning completely on its own.

Take another look.

The sight of the spinning spread freaks Catlin out.

- I had chills down the back of my neck.

Everyone else's reaction in the room was kind of like,

"This isn't real," they kind of thought it was a joke.

- [Tony] But Catlin believes the spinning Skippy

has a supernatural source.

- I was a believer in ghosts.

I've seen some kind of wonky things in my past,

but this kind of just set it off to like,

"Whoa, what's going on?"

- [Tony] And it's not the only ghostly kitchen activity

that's been caught on camera.

- [Witness] Can someone help me understand

why my pizza is breakdancing?

- [Tony] Check out this seemingly-possessed pizza slice,

and this skillet spiraling out of control

while cooking food on a stove top.

Are ghosts responsible?

- Everyone considers a kitchen the heart of the home, right?

So, when you think about those in the spirit world,

would it be any wonder

that once they leave the physical world,

they want to replicate that experience being in the kitchen?

- [Tony] But how would a ghost

be able to cook like this in a kitchen?

Some base their belief in the very existence of ghosts

in the first law of thermodynamics,

which states energy cannot be created or destroyed.

They claim, when a person dies,

their energy is just transformed

into a new electromagnetic form

that can still inhabit the same space where they once lived,

move things around, and make noise.

Now, ghost kitchens do exist.

There are restaurants without tables,

just a kitchen to prepare takeout.

But this video takes the term to a whole new level.

Could we really be witnessing spirits

in the pursuit of one last supper?

Let's see what our experts can cook up.

[pensive music]

- Some people have claimed that maybe,

ghosts are made out of pure energy.

But energy is unstable.

You cannot confine energy to one area to create

a ghost as we know it.

- [Tony] Even though the first law of thermodynamics

says energy can't be destroyed,

the second law states that as energy is transformed,

more and more of it is wasted.

So, a ghost wouldn't be able to maintain its structure

over time.

So science writer Mick West considers

if some other form of thermal energy

is causing the pizza to spin.

- The front end is kind of lifted up

and the back end is also kind of lifted up.

And because there's lots of air circulating around,

if the pizza starts to slide and rotate,

it will actually keep spinning around

upon this little pivot point that it has in the middle.

I actually built a simulation of a piece of pizza,

and when I spin it,

it will keep spinning

because there's only a small part of the pizza,

which is in contact with the bottom of the oven.

- [Tony] This explains why the pizza is spinning,

but this skillet doesn't have a pivot point.

So, how does it start moving?

- If you get a hot skillet like this

and drop a droplet of water,

sometimes, it doesn't evaporate immediately,

but its skidders are on the surface

because it vaporizes and it's like a cushion.

It'll spin

because it's actually floating on a thin layer of steam.

This is called the Leidenfrost effect.

- [Tony] This is a cool trick of science,

yet West thinks it's not just a wet stove that's causing it,

but some outright manipulation.

- If we look at how long the pot takes

to complete one full revolution from here to here,

and then we time it again for the next one,

and then one more time,

each time, it's actually slowing down.

So we got a pot on a low-friction surface

because of the Leidenfrost effect,

and somebody just grabbed the pot and gave it a little spin.

- [Tony] So what about the peanut butter,

which is neither on

nor near an electrical cooking appliance?

- What we're seeing here is a spinning jar

which is slowing down,

and that means there was an initial spin

and it's gradually losing rotational velocity

via friction.

So I think what's going on

is that there's something underneath the jar

or perhaps they used some kind of bearing,

and I bought one of these little bearings,

and then I have a peanut butter jar

with a matching brace on the bottom.

And if I put the jar on here,

now we have a peanut butter jar

that will spin seemingly by itself.

[pensive music]

- In the end, our verdict on this one is mixed.

Despite Catlin swearing he did nothing

to make the peanut butter spin,

it's likely the jar was placed on a small hidden bearing.

The skillet rotated as a result of the Leidenfrost effect

and perhaps a little manual push,

and circulating air turned the pivot point on the pizza.

So, it looks like natural science, not the supernatural,

provides the best explanation.

- So when we saw what the goat was up to in this next video,

we wondered, "Did the devil make him do it?"

It's October 2020 in Telwara, Behar, India.

A villager is making his way into town

when he spots something almost demonic.

He grabs his camera and records this,

a goat clearly walking on its hind legs.

The creature advances down the road, as we push in,

the goat seemingly unaware that it's being watched,

struts for several yards before dropping down on all fours.

Take a look at this baffling display.

- Wow, that's crazy.

- [Tony] Field researcher, Ken Gerhard

discusses the goat's connection to a dark figure

from the fringes of Christianity.

- The Templars from the Crusades

would worship this deity known as Baphomet,

which was often portrayed

as a half-man, half-goat-type creature.

That particular imagery has been adapted

and passed down up until modern day times

when satanists and pagan belief systems

will worship Baphomet.

- [Tony] Early Christianity co-opted pagan beliefs

and associated them with the devil

in order to discredit paganism

at a time when Christianity was spreading.

To further demonize paganism and goats,

societies went as far as to create humanoid goat monsters.

- Krampus, a folklore figure from Alpine mythology,

a half-man, half-goat-like creature

that appears only on Christmas,

sort of the antithesis of Santa Claus.

- In the Bible, the Book of Leviticus tells of a ritual

in which one goat is sacrificed

while another is touched by a priest

and imbued with the sins of local residents.

It's then sent into the woods,

taking the town's impurities with it.

That's where the term scapegoat comes from.

Which explanation for this upright goat

is the greatest of all time?

Let's ask our experts.

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- If we were to look at the point of possession

in the first place,

Satan is looking to capture souls

to deprive that soul from union with God.

And so when we talk about animals

not having an immortal soul,

we say, "Satan wouldn't bother with possessing an animal,"

so we can rule out animals altogether based on that.

- [Tony] So, what about the thought

that this could be the Satanic entity Baphomet?

- Baphomet is a modern conception

of what the devil would look like,

perhaps a symbol that's used by satanists in modern times.

The idea of associating Baphomet, the pagan idol,

with a goat is a Satanic convention starting the 1850s.

We see this goat walking like a person,

and people might say, "Well, there's Baphomet,"

but there's absolutely no connection between the two.

- [Tony] That answers why goats are associated with satanism,

a rep they have not earned.

But why is this one walking?

- Goats are pretty smart animals.

There have been instances

of goats learning how to open door latches

and let themselves in and out.

They often go on their hind legs

to be able to reach those plants more out of reach.

- [Tony] The foraging goats engage

in what is called browsing.

Having evolved in mountains,

they've adapted to finding food in hard-to-reach places.

They're selective about which foods they eat

and are able to stand on their hind legs

and reach with their mouths to obtain a snack of choice.

- What I think is happening here

is that this is a well-trained goat.

Perhaps it was taught to go in its hind legs for tricks.

These aren't the only quadruped animals

that have been taught to walk on their hind legs.

People have trained their dogs to walk on their back legs,

and also bears.

I can definitively say

that this is a well-trained goat doing a pretty cool trick.

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- Our verdict? This is a well-trained goat.

While this behavior is out of the ordinary,

goats were one of the first animals to be tamed by humans.

I guess it's no huge surprise

that they've learned to walk like us.

I'm just waiting for them to do my taxes.

- You ever get that feeling that you've been here before?

And I'm not talking about deja vu,

I'm talking about reincarnation.

Millions believe in it as a matter of faith.

But could there be photographic proof it's real?

On the silver screen,

actor Alec Baldwin has played dozens of characters.

But some people think his greatest role

wasn't an acting job,

but instead as the 13th president of the United States,

Millard Fillmore.

Look closely, those eyes, the nose, the mouth.

And there's more.

Actors like Matthew McConaughey as this 1800s doctor,

Orlando Bloom as a 19th-century composer,

and Johnny Depp as this early 20th-century choir director.

What if these aren't merely striking resemblances,

but actual evidence of past lives?

For Barbro Karlen, the idea of reincarnation isn't a theory.

- I was about 2 1/2 years old,

and my mother was calling my name, and then I said, "Yes,

but my name is not Barbro.

My name is Anne Frank."

- [Tony] Born in 1954,

Barbro was a young writer like Anne Frank

and published her first book of poetry at age 12.

And Barbro insists she has vivid memories of her past life

as the famed Dutch diarist.

- I woke up almost every night screaming, and crying,

and reliving what happened to me in my past life.

It's like two worlds, I live in two worlds at the same time.

- [Tony] To her family, that seemed implausible,

until they visited Anne Frank's home in Amsterdam.

- I said, "I know exactly where we are," and I led the way.

And sure enough, there it was.

- [Tony] Barbro told a tour guide

there were pictures missing from the walls.

- And she said, "Barbro, you are absolutely right.

They had taken down those pictures to put them in frames,

but they were there

and Anne Frank did put up those pictures.

How could you know this?"

- Now, the celebrity lookalikes are certainly striking,

but are they really images of the same person?

Let's put these photos to the test.

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Hoan Ton-That is the co-founder and CEO of Clearview AI,

a widely-used facial recognition technology.

- The technology has really caught up.

And so with the Clearview AI algorithm,

if you've lost some weight and your face is thinner,

if you grow out a long beard, we can still recognize you.

- We gave Hoan the photo of Alec Baldwin

to see if it's a match with Millard Fillmore.

In our first test,

anything below a .8 on the scale is a match.

Incredibly,

the first test for Alec Baldwin

came back just within range for the match category,

a .78.

Could it be possible?

Not only are their faces similar,

but Alec Baldwin's passion for politics is well-known.

It was once even rumored that he wanted to run for Senate.

Clearview repeated the test,

this time using 1.0 as the threshold,

and once again, the results were astonishing.

- Distance score is...

1.04, barely above threshold for a match.

So very, very close to the line there,

and that's kind of incredible.

- [Tony] The number was so shocking

that a professional facial examiner was brought in

to compare the photos.

Hoan explains that analysis.

- When you look here,

the first one is the lower lobe exterior shapes

are quite different,

and the other inconsistency was between the lips,

and you can see that the photo A has a rounded upper lip,

and photo B, which is Alec Baldwin,

has a thinner upper lip.

- [Tony] So, the photos are close, but not a perfect match.

Neither was McConaughey.

And we're still waiting to hear about Bloom and Depp.

But the question remains, is reincarnation real?

Barbro Karlen's answer is yes, a hopeful yes.

- I have had these memories and I have gone through this

to be able to tell that there is always goodness

and light at the end of the tunnels.

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- So, is there truth to any of this?

Well, I can't say,

but there is definitely something very compelling

about Barbro Karlen's story.

But when it comes to Alec Baldwin and Millard Fillmore,

our verdict, not a match.

From past lives to ghostly apparitions,

psychic instincts to supernatural strength,

the unexplained has fascinated us for centuries.

Science may shed light on some phenomena,

but could the rest be proved of something of the world?

Thank you for watching this special edition

of The Proof is Out There.

Please send us any video, images,

or sound that you think we should investigate,

and remember to keep those cameras rolling.

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