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[chair wheels draw closer]
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We're dealing
with the kind of racism
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that we usually break down
in two categories.
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One kind of racism
is manifested
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in what we call
"individualized racism."
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The other kind
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is what we call
"institutionalized racism,"
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and we're dealing
with both kinds now.
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They have not really
had to confront
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this kind of issue before,
face-to-face,
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because of the small
black population in Canada.
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[reporter]: In your opinion,
do you believe
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there is some racism
in this university?
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Well, there is racial
discrimination in this city.
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There is racial discrimination
on this continent,
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and I would be very much
surprised
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if the university was made up
of a group of angels,
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whereas we know full well
that our society is not.
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If there is
racial discrimination
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in this university,
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I will make up my mind
on this
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when I hear the evidence
under due process
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to this effect.
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[yelling, cheering]
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We want justice!
We want justice!
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[narrator]:
February, 1969.
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For two weeks,
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hundreds of students
barricaded themselves
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in the university's
computer centre.
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They were protesting
the alleged racism
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of a university professor.
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What started out
as a peaceful protest
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turned into ugly violence
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when the occupants allegedly
set the building on fire
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and destroyed the computers
with axes.
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97 protestors faced
a variety of criminal charges.
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Many of those charged
were from the Caribbean.
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The Sir George Williams
incident
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had a greater effect
on Canadians
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than the surface details
would suggest.
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The computer centre riot
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has gained
an almost mythical stature
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as a turning point
for race relations in Canada.
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The Sir George event
is a story,
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a story of a whole bunch
of circumstances
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that came together.
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None of the individuals
really mattered.
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The individuals
were all part of a mosaic,
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and they represented a story
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that is embedded
in the entire larger community.
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[bees buzzing]
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[Bukka Rennie]: I think,
basically, what happened with me
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is that, um, I was frustrated
at the time
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in around '65, '66
in Trinidad and Tobago.
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I wanted something else.
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I wanted to explore
other possibilities,
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and the idea came that, look,
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I would have
to get out of Trinidad.
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[dog whines]
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When I began applying
to Canadian universities,
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Sir George Williams
did something that was really...
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that really caught me.
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They were asking me things
like what kind of music I like,
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whether I'm an introvert,
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and I felt that this here
was a situation
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where these people
began to make me feel
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that I could belong here.
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[♪♪♪]
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♪ Hey, friend, say, friend
Come on over ♪
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♪ Looking for happiness
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♪ This is the place
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When I came to Canada,
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I did not view myself
as an immigrant.
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I thought of myself
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as moving from one part
of the British Empire
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to the other.
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I came to Canada
with little race consciousness
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because Barbados
was a small island,
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never changed hands,
always British,
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with
a very homogenous population,
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so when I think about it now,
it was a little bit amusing,
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and didn't at all prepare me
for what I was to find.
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[announcer]:
Montreal.
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To the whole world,
Canada says, "Come to the fair."
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Expo '67,
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the greatest trade exhibition
in history, is open.
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Here's the whole world
in colourful miniature.
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All the pavilions
have exciting differences,
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but over them all,
there's exciting oneness,
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a common denominator
that is human and welcoming.
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[Cools]: It was a great promise
of diversity.
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And remember,
this is all new language.
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When I was growing up,
the term would've been
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the universal brotherhood
of men.
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The people who are coming here
with an open mind
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will have a chance
to measure themselves
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at a dimension
that is far greater
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than that dimension
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they are normally
measuring themselves to.
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We have here 70 countries,
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who will be here
with a different colour skin,
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a different language,
a different tradition,
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a different architecture,
a different way of life,
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a different political system.
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The promises
can never, ever match up
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to the reality of existence,
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and for those people
who might've conflated Expo '67
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with the Canadian experience,
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well...
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that would've been
an error of judgement.
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[Rennie]: My immediate horror
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was trying
to get a place to rent.
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I remember,
on a couple occasions,
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using the newspaper
and calling places,
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and tell me come
and see the place,
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and when I go,
the first thing they tell me,
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"Oh, this is a sorority house.
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We're so sorry
we didn't tell you that."
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You know?
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I had a number of experiences
of that,
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and I realized to myself,
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I said,
"Hmm, you know something?
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It would seem to me as though
Canadians are racist,
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but that they like to apologize
for being racist."
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[laughs]
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[John]: There was a pattern
of behaviour
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that was brought
to my attention
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in the academic year
of 1966-1967.
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We met Anderson in a course
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that was preparing us
for medical school.
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[John]:
And if you had any illusions
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about going on to medicine,
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you needed that course.
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Anderson was a lecturer
who missed most of his lectures,
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so we had to study on our own.
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Anderson never,
ever supervised us in the labs,
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but the times he did come there,
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he would continuously address us
as Mr. Ballantyne or Mr. Mossop,
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whereas he would address
the white students
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as John, Mary, or so forth.
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About eight or nine
black students
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were being failed regularly,
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and we couldn't understand
what was the motivation for it.
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[John]: Had we been a group
of white, English immigrants
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who were feeling eliminated,
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there would never have been
the assumption
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that because
these people are immigrants,
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they are somehow
intellectually inferior
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to the average student.
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That would never have been
the narrative.
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It's not as if somehow,
I was a failing student.
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None of us
were failing students.
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We just hit
the brick wall of failure
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when it came
to Perry Anderson's class.
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My personal experience
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is that I did some labs...
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I was very meticulous
with lab work...
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and submitted them.
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These same labs were copied
by about three students,
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word-for-word.
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I got sevens for my labs,
and these students got tens.
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[John]:
Somewhere along the line,
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at the basis of all of this
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are elements that can be
construed as racism.
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And so,
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to shorten the discussion,
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that is
what was then the charge.
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[wind blows]
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When I came,
I was a stranger.
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The essential quality
of the community
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was a coldness.
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I became instantly aware
that I was the other.
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It was
a really sharp demarcation
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from one state to another.
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And as the other,
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you could not go anywhere
without being watched.
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We, as students, feel that
we have a right to be heard,
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that our issues
should at least be aired,
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that we should have a hearing.
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So in April of '68,
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there were 14 of us
who went to present our case.
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I am interested in the fact
that it took from April of '68
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until December of that year
to force this issue,
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which is an issue vital
to the life of any university,
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to the fore.
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It seems during that period,
to me,
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that the black students
acted with forbearance,
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with intelligence,
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in a situation
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which must have been a situation
of immense frustration.
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The university decided
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that they would set up
a committee to investigate.
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They wanted
to resolve the problem
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within
the university administration.
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[John]:
This hearing committee
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was supposed
to reconvene a meeting
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to go back over the charges.
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That hearing committee,
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comprised
of two black professors,
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two white professors,
and one professor,
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I think
it was Professor Mannen,
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of East Indian heritage.
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We accepted to be there
because, in part,
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we wanted to make sure
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that the students
had a fair hearing.
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Our job was to gather
information from the students
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concerning the claims
that they made,
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and also gather information
from the professor
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to make a judgement.
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That didn't sit too easy
with me,
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because you can't be the judge
and the jury
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at the same time.
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[John]: The position that
the two black professors were in
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was untenable.
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[Bayne]: And the students
were very smart.
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They made sure
that we couldn't function,
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because they confronted me
on the mezzanine.
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Four of them confronted me
on the mezzanine
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with crazy charges,
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and call you sellout, traitor,
this, that,
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and which got me so angry
that I almost got into a fight,
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and at that very moment,
that was it.
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That means I could not sit
and receive information
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and make judgment about it.
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So that's how it happened
that we got off the committee.
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[John]:
As a minority individual,
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we are constantly struggling
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with the majority's notion
of who we are.
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The question
that the individual faces
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is in order to be authentic,
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how much of that interpretation
by the other
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do you absorb?
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How do you then
react against it?
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Well, my father
is Omowale Indongo.
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He was known as Omowale
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even during
the Sir George incident.
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His name
was Kennedy Fredericks.
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His birth name
was Kennedy Fredericks.
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[Chang]: Kennedy was hoping
to get good grades,
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especially in bio,
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to go on to a medical degree,
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and this thing was
really devastating to him.
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My father was definitely
involved from the beginning
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when they accused
this professor of racism.
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I grew up
with the Sir George Affair
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being just
a part of my narrative,
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and I was just
always aware of it.
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Any time somebody would
repeat to me the story,
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they would say, "Oh,
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and they wanted to charge him
with everything,
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kidnapping,
and all these things,"
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but nobody actually went
into detail why kidnapping.
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[Bayne]: What I remember
specifically,
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is that they were fed up,
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and so that Kennedy
and these other guys
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decided they would go
to the director's office,
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which was an acting director
at the time, O'Brien,
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and demand... literally,
that's the language they used.
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"These are our demands.
We are demanding this.
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We are not leaving here
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until we get answers
to this question."
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[locking door]
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And they did not allow him
to leave,
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or he felt that he couldn't.
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If you are told
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for all your life
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that blacks are violent...
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And then five blacks stand up
in your office
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and say, "Either you answer me,
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or else
you're not leaving here..."
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how are the neurons
in your brain
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connected to interpret that?
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[crash]
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The manner of West Indians
is somewhat more expansive
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than our own.
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They tend to speak
with large gestures.
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They tend to laugh...
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immoderately, perhaps.
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The language
is very picturesque,
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choice, frequently obscene,
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but nowadays, of course,
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since nobody seems to object
to that kind of language,
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no one took it
all that seriously,
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and we were assured,
therefore,
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that it would be wrong
on our part,
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it would be overreacting
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if we took
what the students were saying
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at its face value.
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[John]: As a human being,
you were devalued...
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and devalued in a manner
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that did not give you many,
if any, opportunities
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to redress it.
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That somewhere along the line,
they...
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the implicit assumptions
of slavery
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had become institutionalized.
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You were supposed
to be voiceless.
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You were supposed
to simply accept
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whatever was dished out to you
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simply because
it was decreed...by.
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At some point, it becomes
very difficult to sit back
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and to accept that.
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It is said that
if you are white, you are right.
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If you are brown, stand down,
and if you are black, get back.
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Is this the general feeling
of the Sir George students now?
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[students]: No!
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Well, when I came in
the school this morning,
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when I came into Sir George
as a past Georgian,
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I was most surprised
and shook up.
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I never thought
that at any time,
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I would see a display of bigotry
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as what took place
at the cafeteria yesterday.
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"Niggers go home!"
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That was the sign
that was, um,
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posted at the cafeteria
yesterday.
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What is significant
about the sign
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is that only last week
in your parliament,
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in your just society,
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one member of parliament got up
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and said something pretty...
pretty similar to that.
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He was saying
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that they should send
the Caribbean students
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back home.
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[John]: In a sense, we were all
our brother's keepers
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at that time,
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and so all of these
were simply opportunities
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to show solidarity
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with people who suffered
from, um,
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similar constraints
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by a system
that would determine
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true power...
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class...
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opportunity.
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I was self-righteous,
of course,
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because I'd been, you know,
dissed in a very negative way,
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in an anti-Semitic way,
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and so, the cop was,
you know, and I just...
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Here I am,
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this 12-year-old little guy
and this big, tall cop,
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and he's trying to get us
to move on,
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and I'm saying,
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"Well, no, I'm not going
anywhere
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until you arrest that guy,"
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you know, "because
he called me a dirty Jew,"
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00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:21,437
you know?
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Cop looks at me like I'm crazy,
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and so he's trying to scare me
into just moving on.
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So he opens,
swings open the back door,
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and he says,
"Do you want to get in,
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00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:30,838
have me take you
to the police station?"
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I said, "Yeah!"
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So he took me
to the police station
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and made me sit there
for a couple of hours,
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then called my father.
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This is Sunday.
My father's not a happy camper.
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He shows up, and then
they're all telling my father
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about how I'm rude
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and I was disrespectful
of a police officer
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and on and on,
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and I'm trying
to say something, you know,
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like, tell my father
what happened,
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and everybody's saying,
"No, shut up! Shut up!"
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My father is telling me
to keep quiet.
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00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:57,299
Anyways, so at the end of it,
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they're going to set
a date for juvenile court,
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00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,738
and this whole thing's
going on,
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00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,218
and then we leave,
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00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,915
and we're
walking out the door,
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00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:06,395
and we're walking
down the street towards home,
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and my, you know,
and I said to my father,
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00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:11,182
"Well, Dad, you didn't let me
speak," you know?
375
00:21:11,182 --> 00:21:12,967
"I mean,
the man who yelled at us
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00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:15,099
called me a dirty Jew."
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00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:22,106
My father's face just blanched.
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00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:25,284
He turned around,
grabbed my hand,
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00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:29,462
walked me back
into that police station,
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00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:32,421
walked up to the desk sergeant,
and said,
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"I want the name of the person
who called in the complaint."
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00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,731
And they said,
"Well, we don't have it."
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00:21:37,731 --> 00:21:39,820
He said, "Aren't you supposed
to take the name
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of anybody
who makes a complaint?
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00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,738
Because that gentleman
made an anti-Semitic comment
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00:21:44,738 --> 00:21:46,130
to my son,
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00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:48,132
and I want it dealt with."
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00:21:48,132 --> 00:21:49,395
Well, the long and the short
of it
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00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:50,831
was they became very apologetic,
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00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:53,050
very, you know,
the whole thing changed.
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00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,966
Forget about juvenile court,
forget about this, let's just,
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00:21:55,966 --> 00:21:57,620
you know, I'm sorry,
it was a mistake.
393
00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:02,233
It's all over,
and we went home.
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00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,801
And... I mean,
that may have been the reason
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00:22:04,801 --> 00:22:06,499
I participated in Sir George,
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00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,806
because subsequent to that,
my dad never said a thing to me,
397
00:22:09,806 --> 00:22:14,245
but my mother told me later
how proud he was...
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00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:20,643
that I'd stood up.
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00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:29,522
I knew nothing
about the incident
400
00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:32,263
until a day in January,
401
00:22:32,263 --> 00:22:35,397
when there was
this large meeting
402
00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:36,746
in the big auditorium
on the main floor.
403
00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:39,749
[man]:
As far back as 10 months ago,
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00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:41,751
some black students had laid
some charges of racism
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00:22:41,751 --> 00:22:45,320
against
a Sir George Williams professor,
406
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,889
and during
the whole period of 10 months,
407
00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:52,501
the administration here
seems to have managed
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00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:56,244
to not do
one single constructive thing
409
00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:58,942
about those charges.
410
00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:01,031
I am disappointed
in the fact
411
00:23:01,031 --> 00:23:03,991
that a university administration
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00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:08,474
is incapable of dealing
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00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:12,042
with such a minor, basic issue.
414
00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,871
Essentially, what happened
is the students questioned
415
00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:17,178
the composition
of the committee.
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00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:20,616
The six of us
who were central to this
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00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:22,966
were not, um,
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00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:24,968
taken into account
419
00:23:24,968 --> 00:23:28,755
when two replacements
were made
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00:23:28,755 --> 00:23:32,454
to the two black professors.
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00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:33,803
[reporter]:
The black students have said
422
00:23:33,803 --> 00:23:35,588
that the new committee
is unacceptable to them.
423
00:23:35,588 --> 00:23:38,199
Were they not consulted
at the time it was formed?
424
00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:40,810
A breakdown in communications
had occurred.
425
00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:43,030
I believe that attempts
were made
426
00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:44,640
to get in touch
with the black students.
427
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,337
This seems
to have come to naught.
428
00:23:46,337 --> 00:23:47,730
I don't know
whose responsibility it is here.
429
00:23:49,732 --> 00:23:51,821
[Bayne]: There was
a certain degree of anxiety.
430
00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:56,435
I had removed myself
from the process
431
00:23:56,435 --> 00:24:00,917
because I felt in some sense
that I was compromised.
432
00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:08,272
It was originally agreed
433
00:24:08,272 --> 00:24:09,796
that a committee
should be agreeable
434
00:24:09,796 --> 00:24:12,189
to both the black students
and Anderson.
435
00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:15,279
So since one of the agreements
has not been made,
436
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,152
therefore, as far as anybody
who's on the side of justice
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00:24:18,152 --> 00:24:19,849
is concerned,
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00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:21,938
this hearing and this committee
is totally invalid.
439
00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,638
My recollection
is the committee then adjourned
440
00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:28,118
for a short period of time,
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00:24:28,118 --> 00:24:31,382
went out of the room,
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00:24:31,382 --> 00:24:33,602
had a conversation,
came back into the room
443
00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:35,822
and said
something to the effect of,
444
00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:37,301
"Well, we've decided
we're impartial,
445
00:24:37,301 --> 00:24:38,738
and we're going to continue."
446
00:24:38,738 --> 00:24:42,698
[Lyon]: My main concern
was that the hearing go ahead
447
00:24:42,698 --> 00:24:44,961
and that Perry have the chance
to clear himself.
448
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:50,184
I got the impression
that Perry was vulnerable.
449
00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:52,621
My job was
to protect his interests
450
00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:56,059
because the university
administration and their lawyers
451
00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:58,758
would obviously consider first
452
00:24:58,758 --> 00:25:01,282
their obligations
to the institution.
453
00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,284
[Bayne]: Everyone,
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00:25:03,284 --> 00:25:05,025
from his or her own
particular perspective,
455
00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:06,461
was chasing
456
00:25:06,461 --> 00:25:08,768
or trying
to get a situation set up
457
00:25:08,768 --> 00:25:12,815
that they felt were just,
in which justice was done,
458
00:25:12,815 --> 00:25:15,252
justice was done
from their perspective.
459
00:25:15,252 --> 00:25:17,167
There's no one here
460
00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:18,691
who is more concerned
about this issue
461
00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:19,735
than myself.
462
00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:20,736
[man]:
And so am I!
463
00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:23,130
As a matter of fact,
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00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:26,176
we are not only taking on
an individual member of faculty,
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but also the administration...
466
00:25:28,657 --> 00:25:32,922
So, when we were holding
Anderson accountable,
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in a sense, we were challenging
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00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:37,884
the entire structure
of that department,
469
00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:39,189
and there was no way in hell
470
00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,061
that they were going
to accept that.
471
00:25:41,061 --> 00:25:44,891
[Adamson]: I said
that under these conditions,
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I would answer no questions.
473
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,983
I just have one more thing
to say, however.
474
00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,333
My present condition
475
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:55,162
is that I think I can sit here
for about four hours,
476
00:25:55,162 --> 00:25:58,557
but I have
a relatively weak bladder,
477
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,820
and I cannot answer
for the consequences after that.
478
00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,736
[laughing, applause]
479
00:26:03,736 --> 00:26:05,085
[Hubsher]:
The university was acting
480
00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:09,524
in an inappropriate,
unjust manner,
481
00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:12,788
and really was not giving
the due that was necessary.
482
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:17,401
Kennedy Fredericks
just got up and exploded
483
00:26:17,401 --> 00:26:19,969
because we were going nowhere.
484
00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:23,843
Will all black people
come down to the front?
485
00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:25,845
Down to the front!
486
00:26:25,845 --> 00:26:27,977
[jeering, yelling]
487
00:26:27,977 --> 00:26:30,893
All those that are interested
in justice,
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00:26:30,893 --> 00:26:32,678
come on down!
489
00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:34,767
Come on down!
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00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,507
[Adamson]:
Uh, Mr. Lyon...
491
00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:37,639
Mr. Chairman...
492
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:39,206
Would you...
493
00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:43,819
I...I would like to allow
the audience to this hearing
494
00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:48,302
to calm itself down,
495
00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:49,651
and when it has,
496
00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:53,002
I'm very anxious
to hear your remarks.
497
00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:55,309
At some point,
Perry's sister...
498
00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:58,355
she was calling to him,
sounding quite alarmed,
499
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,357
to get out,
500
00:27:00,357 --> 00:27:03,143
and so, I ushered Perry
to the exit
501
00:27:03,143 --> 00:27:07,060
and told him
he might as well leave.
502
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,279
[Hubsher]: I have no idea
503
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,108
whether Professor Anderson
was a racist or not
504
00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:14,545
or whether he discriminated
against those students or not.
505
00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:15,851
We never got there.
506
00:27:15,851 --> 00:27:19,028
[Fredericks]: Those people
who support our demands,
507
00:27:19,028 --> 00:27:21,422
namely, one,
508
00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:24,773
that the administration publicly
declare this committee illegal,
509
00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:27,080
two, that the administration
meet immediately
510
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,342
with us and Anderson
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00:27:28,342 --> 00:27:29,648
and set up a new committee.
512
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,562
Three, that the administration
513
00:27:31,562 --> 00:27:35,131
drop criminal charges
against three black students.
514
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:36,655
If you agree with those demands,
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00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:39,527
we ask you to come with us
right now.
516
00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:42,399
Are you prepared
to stand up for your rights?
517
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:44,140
Yes!
518
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:45,838
Are you prepared
to stand for your rights?
519
00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,274
Yes!
520
00:27:47,274 --> 00:27:49,058
Are you going
to let the administration
521
00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:50,538
push you around?
522
00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,235
No!
523
00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,236
Or do you intend
to go to the end?
524
00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,324
Yes!
525
00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:56,152
Right to the bitter end?
526
00:27:56,152 --> 00:27:58,024
Yes!
527
00:27:58,024 --> 00:27:59,895
[Hubsher]:
The outcome of that meeting,
528
00:27:59,895 --> 00:28:02,332
which made many people
very unhappy,
529
00:28:02,332 --> 00:28:04,204
led to the occupation
of the computer centre.
530
00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:05,945
[Fredericks]:
We are on the ninth floor
531
00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:07,729
in the computer centre,
532
00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:09,035
and that's the only room
533
00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,514
the meeting
is going to be continued.
534
00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:12,865
So, everybody,
let's get upstairs.
535
00:28:12,865 --> 00:28:14,562
Let's take a stand now!
536
00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,129
Let's go!
537
00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:18,261
Everybody that believes
in justice, take a stand.
538
00:28:18,261 --> 00:28:19,959
Don't sit on your asses
anymore.
539
00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,612
Move up there and take a stand.
540
00:28:21,612 --> 00:28:23,440
It's about time the white people
on this campus
541
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,268
took a stand
one way or the other.
542
00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:26,748
So let's take your stand now.
543
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,968
Up that escalator,
follow that man, and go!
544
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:31,100
[Fredericks]:
If you whites can sit back
545
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,148
and have people like O'Brien
run you to hell crazy,
546
00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:36,584
that's your privilege.
547
00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:37,454
You're punks.
548
00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,815
[Indongo]:
Way before Mommy was born,
549
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:51,686
um,
550
00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:54,471
your grandfather...
551
00:28:54,471 --> 00:28:58,693
took some very huge risks, um...
552
00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:03,089
for... for a just cause.
553
00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:06,092
I didn't really grow up
with my dad
554
00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:11,010
because of how his life
panned out after that incident.
555
00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:14,100
I feel
like I was maybe six or seven,
556
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:18,278
and I think
557
00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:21,368
some of my aunts and uncles
558
00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:23,109
took it on themselves
559
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:26,199
to really tell me
about my father.
560
00:29:26,199 --> 00:29:28,157
I grew up with this image
561
00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:31,857
of this, this amazing,
militant activist type
562
00:29:31,857 --> 00:29:34,860
who was really smart
and courageous.
563
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:36,775
Sometimes I really feel
564
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:40,169
that my parents' story
kind of is stuck on my back.
565
00:29:40,169 --> 00:29:41,954
[jamming]
566
00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:48,482
Viens pour repeter.
567
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,920
Yeah. All right.
Awesome.
568
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,661
So we're going
to run through it.
569
00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:56,969
I guess I kind of naturally
exude that same type of energy
570
00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:58,622
that my father put out there
at the time
571
00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:01,016
when he was sort of fighting
for...
572
00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,540
fighting for justice.
573
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:09,068
♪ We forward
in this generation ♪
574
00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:12,985
♪ Triumphantly
575
00:30:12,985 --> 00:30:15,683
♪ Won't you help to sing
576
00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:18,599
My greatest fear
is not effecting change
577
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,777
and not being able to feel that,
okay,
578
00:30:22,777 --> 00:30:27,608
I contributed to something
in...in a large way.
579
00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:29,653
♪ Redemption song
580
00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:32,134
♪ Redemption song
581
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:38,619
[Cools]: The '60s
were a powerful period,
582
00:30:38,619 --> 00:30:40,664
and for many young people,
including myself...
583
00:30:42,579 --> 00:30:45,626
a disruptive one.
584
00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:51,110
It took me a long time
to...to recover from that era.
585
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:53,852
It was powerful because
it touched so many people.
586
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,419
How is it and how could it be
587
00:30:56,419 --> 00:31:01,294
that an entire generation
was prepared to make sacrifices
588
00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:04,558
and to conceive of a notion
that something had to change
589
00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:07,866
because the air was ripe
with change.
590
00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:13,567
[Valerie Belgrave]: These are
euphoric sort of occasions,
591
00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,874
when you have people
coming together for a cause,
592
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,267
and they're all optimistic,
593
00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:21,444
and they're all supporting
what we think is a just cause,
594
00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:25,144
and so it definitely was
a great atmosphere.
595
00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:29,452
There was a great sense
of camaraderie,
596
00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:32,325
and when the occupation
took place,
597
00:31:32,325 --> 00:31:36,024
we went in order to make sure
that it didn't go bad.
598
00:31:36,024 --> 00:31:39,419
Obviously, we wanted the matter
to be settled,
599
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:44,032
and that was the, um, intention,
that was the aim, you know?
600
00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,251
That was what we expected.
601
00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:48,210
Let's take a look at the action
602
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:51,561
at Sir George Williams
University tonight right now.
603
00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,563
As we talk, some 200 students
604
00:31:53,563 --> 00:31:55,826
are still occupying
the computer centre there.
605
00:31:55,826 --> 00:31:58,612
They've tried
to keep the place clean.
606
00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,614
There's been no vandalism.
607
00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,877
As the sit-in
ends its fourth day,
608
00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:05,401
matters are still at an impasse,
609
00:32:05,401 --> 00:32:08,622
and the administration
is considering its next move.
610
00:32:08,622 --> 00:32:10,450
[man]: It seems clear now
611
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:12,974
that this is not
a black and white issue.
612
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,281
The administration
are not doing anything
613
00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,238
because they don't have to.
614
00:32:16,238 --> 00:32:18,458
[applause]
615
00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:22,766
It seemed to this
21-year-old deluded person
616
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,029
that I was at that time,
617
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,378
affected by everything,
618
00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:28,468
that really, you know,
619
00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:31,123
that an armed insurgence
was about the only way
620
00:32:31,123 --> 00:32:32,733
things were going to change.
621
00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:33,821
What I've got to say
is very personal,
622
00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,475
but it affects every one of you.
623
00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:36,824
You hear...
624
00:32:36,824 --> 00:32:37,694
There have been people
that have stood up here
625
00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:38,826
and have called you a racist.
626
00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:40,175
Now, I'm going
to call you a racist,
627
00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:41,263
and I'm going to call you
a racist
628
00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:42,482
for a very good reason...
629
00:32:42,482 --> 00:32:43,874
because I was a racist!
630
00:32:43,874 --> 00:32:45,180
Because, yeah, sure,
631
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,486
I knew about the oppression
of the blacks,
632
00:32:46,486 --> 00:32:48,140
but I'd never done anything.
633
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,881
As long as I haven't done
anything, I'm a racist,
634
00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:51,839
and as long
as you don't do anything,
635
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:52,709
you're a racist.
636
00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,852
[Marvin Coleby]:
Back in the '60s,
637
00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:06,245
it was more acceptable,
at least easy,
638
00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:09,291
to talk about race,
639
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,554
just because, you know,
explicit racism still existed
640
00:33:11,554 --> 00:33:13,295
in a way that it doesn't exist
anymore.
641
00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:17,691
So I suppose,
642
00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,128
in that type of politically
and socially charged atmosphere,
643
00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,870
race was a more acceptable topic
to bring up.
644
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,786
Now, today,
we have a strange situation
645
00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:27,744
where we don't have
explicit racism in the same way
646
00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:29,703
as we have implicit racism
today,
647
00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:33,228
which, in my opinion,
is much more dangerous.
648
00:33:33,228 --> 00:33:34,795
It's a racism
that we don't see.
649
00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,753
It's hidden in jokes.
It's hidden in institutions.
650
00:33:36,753 --> 00:33:39,191
It's hidden
in government actions.
651
00:33:48,374 --> 00:33:50,028
So when I came here,
and the first place I went
652
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,421
was in the countryside
in Quebec,
653
00:33:52,421 --> 00:33:53,727
I was the only Caribbean person
on campus.
654
00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:55,337
I was the only person of colour
on campus,
655
00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:56,817
and I was shocked.
656
00:33:56,817 --> 00:33:58,645
I, like,
come into this community
657
00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:00,212
and actually saying,
658
00:34:00,212 --> 00:34:02,692
"Oh, you know, like, my skin
is actually a problem here.
659
00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:04,825
Like, it's actually an issue.
People actually see it,"
660
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,174
as opposed to before,
661
00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:08,307
where I didn't even
think of myself that way,
662
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:09,960
and I suppose my search
663
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,092
for understanding
the computer riots
664
00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,441
was influenced
665
00:34:12,441 --> 00:34:13,834
by the fact that I felt,
in many ways,
666
00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:15,531
what they felt at the time
667
00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:18,534
and what influenced
their actions.
668
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,106
[John]:
There was a meeting
669
00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:29,806
in which discussions
were being held
670
00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:33,288
as to what the next step
should do in the occupation.
671
00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,994
And there was a gentleman there,
672
00:34:43,994 --> 00:34:46,562
a black gentleman,
673
00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:49,391
who advocated
674
00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:54,092
that maybe
we should get some dynamite
675
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,702
and put it in the elevator shaft
676
00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:57,617
and blow up the university.
677
00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:01,229
It was thought
678
00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:06,669
it was a little bit
of an outrageous suggestion.
679
00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:08,106
I subsequently discovered,
many years later,
680
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,543
that he was, um...
a plant.
681
00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:17,071
But these kind of dirty tricks
had been part and parcel
682
00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:19,769
of law enforcement
in North America
683
00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,162
for forever,
684
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,511
so it was not unusual.
685
00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:28,387
[protestors]: We want justice!
We want justice!
686
00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,737
We want justice!
We want justice!
687
00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:32,913
We want justice!
688
00:35:39,267 --> 00:35:42,618
[John]: I left home
689
00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:44,794
and went down to the university
690
00:35:44,794 --> 00:35:47,275
in order to join the occupation.
691
00:35:48,929 --> 00:35:51,279
At that point,
the university was closed off.
692
00:35:54,239 --> 00:36:00,462
Two police
from the nearby station came.
693
00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:02,377
One took me under one arm,
694
00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:04,553
the other one took me
under the other arm,
695
00:36:04,553 --> 00:36:08,296
and they marched me
out of the university,
696
00:36:08,296 --> 00:36:11,212
into a squad car...
697
00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:14,998
took me down
to Pointe-Saint-Charles,
698
00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:17,610
let me out, and told me
699
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:22,919
that if they saw me
around the university,
700
00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,008
that I would be arrested.
701
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,057
And it was
one of the very first times
702
00:36:30,057 --> 00:36:31,537
in my life
703
00:36:31,537 --> 00:36:34,540
that I was actually
afraid for my life.
704
00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:48,858
[Ballantyne]:
There was a fear, I believe,
705
00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,904
on the administration's part
706
00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:55,082
that we would get violent.
707
00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:56,475
I mean,
that was the egregious problem.
708
00:37:15,581 --> 00:37:16,886
[Butcher]: We have to begin,
709
00:37:16,886 --> 00:37:19,149
when we ask ourselves
to define what violence is...
710
00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:21,369
violence is not physical
in the first place.
711
00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:23,458
Violence starts
from a mental state.
712
00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:26,853
[Cools]:
What was their great fear?
713
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:31,466
Because fear is a,
is a strange mental state,
714
00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:35,557
and fear has a way of producing
the exact thing that you fear.
715
00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:40,040
You are afraid of black people.
Why? Ask yourself why.
716
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,607
Start thinking
717
00:37:41,607 --> 00:37:43,913
and start coming to some
constructive conclusions.
718
00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:33,702
[Indongo]: I think if you know
somebody's watching you,
719
00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:35,704
and you may or may not know
their intention,
720
00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:39,360
you...you guard yourself more.
721
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,622
You...
722
00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:41,841
or in some cases,
with some people,
723
00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:44,452
they become quite paranoid.
724
00:38:44,452 --> 00:38:47,977
But I think
you definitely hold back,
725
00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:52,286
and you put on a face, right?
726
00:38:52,286 --> 00:38:58,031
It's hard to just be
your natural self at all times.
727
00:38:58,031 --> 00:39:00,207
[camera clicks]
728
00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:04,167
We want justice!
We want justice!
729
00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:06,213
We want justice!
We want justice!
730
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,475
[Ballantyne]:
We were just waiting for them
731
00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:10,348
to come and say,
"Okay, we will listen to you."
732
00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,481
We anticipated that this
would've happened, you know?
733
00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:15,265
We didn't expect everybody
in the administration
734
00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:16,832
to be racist.
735
00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:20,749
The line of the association
was that in the first place,
736
00:39:20,749 --> 00:39:25,972
we were extremely happy to see
that in the latest document
737
00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,714
that the black students
had submitted
738
00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:30,629
to the vice-principal,
739
00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:33,545
and who had asked us,
as an association,
740
00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:35,721
for our comments upon it,
741
00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:38,376
we had underlined
that we were extremely happy
742
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:39,986
to see that the students
were, in fact,
743
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,205
being ready to negotiate.
744
00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,382
[Hubsher]:
We were told by the lawyers
745
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,732
that an agreement
had been reached.
746
00:39:46,732 --> 00:39:49,822
And the students
had come to believe
747
00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:51,214
that it was all over,
748
00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:52,433
and they were going
to get the demands
749
00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:54,174
that they had asked for.
750
00:39:54,174 --> 00:39:55,567
[cheering]
751
00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:58,178
[John]: And this was going
to set the stage
752
00:39:58,178 --> 00:40:02,095
for the demands that we made,
753
00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:04,010
plus a hearing committee
and so on and so on.
754
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:06,142
So we were kind of confident
that, you know,
755
00:40:06,142 --> 00:40:09,319
we were on our way
to some small victory
756
00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:12,758
in terms of the initial issues.
757
00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:15,325
We won,
758
00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:17,893
and it was no particular
political suasion
759
00:40:17,893 --> 00:40:19,373
that made us win.
760
00:40:19,373 --> 00:40:23,159
It was just that we persevered,
761
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:24,334
asked for what we wanted,
762
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,163
and we got it,
763
00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:28,991
and then there was joy.
764
00:40:28,991 --> 00:40:31,124
[singing]
765
00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:34,519
[Rennie]:
And many people left.
766
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,738
Many people had gone home,
you know, feeling really great.
767
00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:38,000
"We won!
768
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,655
It's going to, you know,
it was resolved!"
769
00:40:40,655 --> 00:40:43,136
And I actually went home
that night
770
00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:45,138
to take a shower,
get some sleep,
771
00:40:45,138 --> 00:40:47,575
and went back in the morning
772
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:50,317
because I wanted
to be part of the cleanup crew.
773
00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:52,319
I felt... again, I felt really,
774
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,842
and the group of us
really felt strongly
775
00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:55,714
that we wanted
to leave the place
776
00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:57,890
the way we found it,
777
00:40:57,890 --> 00:41:02,372
so that people understood
that this was not about a party
778
00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:04,766
or just having a good time
at somebody else's expense,
779
00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:07,900
but it was,
it was about a principle.
780
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,643
But they were pretending
they were on our side,
781
00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:14,036
and they were doing everything
to help us,
782
00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:15,647
when in truth, and in fact,
they were not.
783
00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:22,001
[Hubsher]: The final deal
was scuttled
784
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:23,872
by the Faculty Association.
785
00:41:23,872 --> 00:41:26,919
They had reneged
on the decision.
786
00:41:26,919 --> 00:41:29,182
[John]:
We found out in the afternoon
787
00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:32,359
that the university union
was holding it up.
788
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:35,449
And it got held up
for two days,
789
00:41:35,449 --> 00:41:37,495
which then caused the students,
790
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:42,500
the more radical ones
on the edges,
791
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,938
to say,
"You see what we are saying?
792
00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:50,769
These people
are not to be trusted."
793
00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:55,208
[John]: Their position
was that we had no rights
794
00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:58,037
and they had
no responsibilities.
795
00:41:58,037 --> 00:41:59,168
We were tricked.
796
00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:00,474
It was not a victory.
797
00:42:16,621 --> 00:42:19,406
[Cools]: I have a suspicion
798
00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:23,279
that despair
had been setting in,
799
00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:27,675
and that many people had begun
to reach the conclusion
800
00:42:27,675 --> 00:42:29,547
that these highs and these lows
801
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,506
were just an effort
to defeat them.
802
00:42:32,506 --> 00:42:35,814
[John]:
Betrayal is probably
803
00:42:35,814 --> 00:42:39,905
a reasonably accurate
representation
804
00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:43,386
of how I would've felt.
805
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:48,435
At this stage in time,
806
00:42:48,435 --> 00:42:54,833
I realize
that to have expected otherwise
807
00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:57,879
was highly naive.
808
00:43:05,626 --> 00:43:10,109
[Cools]: At the heightening
of expectations
809
00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:13,721
that there would be resolution,
810
00:43:13,721 --> 00:43:17,551
and then the terrible letdown
or descent
811
00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,858
that everybody went through
in disappointment,
812
00:43:19,858 --> 00:43:24,340
one can expect
that a few tempers will flare.
813
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,254
[Ballantyne]:
The students, they said,
814
00:43:25,254 --> 00:43:28,475
"To hell with it,
let's go for broke."
815
00:43:28,475 --> 00:43:31,913
They immediately
blocked the campus
816
00:43:31,913 --> 00:43:34,568
from the seventh floor up.
817
00:43:34,568 --> 00:43:36,788
[Rennie]: And there were people
marching around downstairs.
818
00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:38,093
There were two sets of people,
819
00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:43,490
some saying, "Kill them,"
or something to that effect,
820
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:45,971
and others protesting
on our behalf.
821
00:43:45,971 --> 00:43:48,582
I got the impression
that there was confrontation
822
00:43:48,582 --> 00:43:50,889
between the two forces
in the streets.
823
00:43:50,889 --> 00:43:52,281
Okay, you're going
to keep it up?
824
00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:53,718
The demonstration?
That's right.
825
00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:54,893
Until what time?
826
00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:56,808
Until our brothers
come out.
827
00:43:56,808 --> 00:44:00,333
[John]: I was outside
of the university,
828
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:04,511
and it was the first time
that I understood
829
00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:07,862
what it was like as a black
to face a white mob,
830
00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:11,387
where your life
was in the balance,
831
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:14,608
and between the mob
and a group of us
832
00:44:14,608 --> 00:44:16,828
was a line of blue police.
833
00:44:16,828 --> 00:44:20,266
All the talks were off,
so anger,
834
00:44:20,266 --> 00:44:24,487
and this student just tossed
this thing out.
835
00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:26,098
[Ballantyne]:
All the pent-up emotion
836
00:44:26,098 --> 00:44:28,100
just exploded.
837
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,580
The computer cards
were thrown out of the window.
838
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:31,712
Windows were broken.
839
00:44:31,712 --> 00:44:34,193
And then,
all the work we had
840
00:44:34,193 --> 00:44:35,542
for the last couple of weeks
841
00:44:35,542 --> 00:44:38,066
of monitoring and keeping
these computers
842
00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,068
in pristine condition,
843
00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:42,941
now you see these cards
fluttering out the window,
844
00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:44,377
like...
845
00:44:44,377 --> 00:44:45,770
it ticked me off.
846
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:46,858
[Hubsher]: What I think it was,
847
00:44:46,858 --> 00:44:50,688
was a desperate attempt
on the part of us
848
00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:52,690
to garner attention
849
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,387
because there were
lots of people
850
00:44:54,387 --> 00:44:55,475
on the street,
851
00:44:55,475 --> 00:44:58,391
around the building,
852
00:44:58,391 --> 00:45:01,742
but we really felt
from what we were hearing,
853
00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:04,049
that they were not
paying attention to us.
854
00:45:04,049 --> 00:45:06,834
[Bayne]:
These computer cards
855
00:45:06,834 --> 00:45:11,056
and ribbons falling like snow
out of heaven,
856
00:45:11,056 --> 00:45:12,318
it looked like
the brains of society
857
00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:15,756
scattered in the wind
or something like that.
858
00:45:20,848 --> 00:45:23,068
At somewhere along the line,
859
00:45:23,068 --> 00:45:25,026
the issue stopped being
Anderson.
860
00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:27,333
Everybody forgot Anderson.
861
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:29,509
He was like a person
just floating around somewhere.
862
00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:31,685
It was something
floating around,
863
00:45:31,685 --> 00:45:33,208
but it wasn't really about him.
864
00:45:45,046 --> 00:45:47,788
It was
an act of civil disobedience,
865
00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:50,182
and there was no plan to do it.
866
00:45:50,182 --> 00:45:53,881
I suppose in my heart,
I figured we'd occupy it,
867
00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:55,404
and two days later,
it'd all be resolved,
868
00:45:55,404 --> 00:45:57,842
and everybody would be happy,
and we'd be singing "Kumbaya."
869
00:45:57,842 --> 00:45:59,713
Um...
870
00:45:59,713 --> 00:46:00,888
not exactly what happened.
871
00:46:00,888 --> 00:46:02,020
[sirens wail]
872
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,546
[reporter]:
The computer centre
873
00:46:06,546 --> 00:46:09,636
is a very delicate and important
part of the institution now.
874
00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:10,898
Um...
875
00:46:12,117 --> 00:46:14,380
Will the police
be called in to...?
876
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:16,338
I don't know.
877
00:46:16,338 --> 00:46:18,688
I have no idea
along these lines,
878
00:46:18,688 --> 00:46:21,169
but I do know
that Vice-Principal O'Brien
879
00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:22,518
does feel
880
00:46:22,518 --> 00:46:24,129
that men are more important
than machines,
881
00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:26,131
and that the computer
has not come
882
00:46:26,131 --> 00:46:28,133
to dominate this university.
883
00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:37,272
The university made a decision
884
00:46:37,272 --> 00:46:39,579
to put an end to the occupation,
885
00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:42,669
to ask the Montreal Police
to intervene,
886
00:46:42,669 --> 00:46:47,413
and I was asked
to accompany the riot squad
887
00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:49,807
as an observer and a witness.
888
00:46:53,723 --> 00:46:55,290
[Ballantyne]:
It is a special squad.
889
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:56,552
Those people
are at least seven feet,
890
00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,425
and they trample in, you know,
891
00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,166
like a stampede.
892
00:47:04,256 --> 00:47:06,954
They came charging in.
893
00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,130
[Cools]: Next thing you know,
you're being attacked by police.
894
00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:11,437
[Bayne]: So at that point,
895
00:47:11,437 --> 00:47:13,352
a group of students
started using the fire hoses
896
00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:16,355
on the police.
897
00:47:16,355 --> 00:47:18,487
The first time
I saw a police officer
898
00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:21,142
through that little window...
899
00:47:21,142 --> 00:47:22,578
and this has never left me...
900
00:47:22,578 --> 00:47:25,625
I never saw such terror
in a man's eyes.
901
00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:28,628
I have no idea
what they were told about us,
902
00:47:28,628 --> 00:47:32,762
but based on the look
on that man's face,
903
00:47:32,762 --> 00:47:34,373
I truly believe
904
00:47:34,373 --> 00:47:35,983
they thought
we were armed to the teeth
905
00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,246
and we were going
to come out shooting.
906
00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:38,986
[yelling]
907
00:47:43,556 --> 00:47:46,428
[Mossop]: I was terrified.
908
00:47:46,428 --> 00:47:48,691
We are locked in.
909
00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,607
We can't go through the front
because we'll be arrested.
910
00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:52,608
We try
to get through the back,
911
00:47:52,608 --> 00:47:55,350
only to find the doors
barricaded.
912
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,615
[man yells]
913
00:47:59,615 --> 00:48:02,749
[Sheppard]:
Within minutes, probably less,
914
00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:08,537
we saw very black smoke
pouring out of the ducts.
915
00:48:08,537 --> 00:48:10,800
There was a door
in the back there
916
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,628
that was always closed.
917
00:48:12,628 --> 00:48:14,065
We had never opened it.
918
00:48:14,065 --> 00:48:17,938
It was closed from the inside.
919
00:48:17,938 --> 00:48:19,679
[Rennie]: And when we rushed
to get away
920
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,160
from the building-up
of the smoke to the front...
921
00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:26,294
that door was locked
from outside.
922
00:48:26,294 --> 00:48:28,644
[banging]
923
00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:30,429
So we were virtually
trapped in there.
924
00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:31,691
[siren wails]
925
00:48:34,128 --> 00:48:36,826
[Sheppard]: It was
like a cloud of black smoke
926
00:48:36,826 --> 00:48:38,306
like I'd never seen before,
927
00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,178
and it was ascending.
928
00:48:40,178 --> 00:48:43,224
It was coming down.
929
00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:44,878
I must say,
it was quite terrifying,
930
00:48:44,878 --> 00:48:47,011
because, eventually,
it fortunately stopped,
931
00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:49,927
I would say,
about two feet off the ground.
932
00:48:51,232 --> 00:48:53,191
We all ended up,
including the police,
933
00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:54,975
on our knees on the floor.
934
00:48:54,975 --> 00:48:56,977
[Cools]: It was so fast.
935
00:48:56,977 --> 00:48:58,283
[interviewer]:
Were you guys scared?
936
00:48:58,283 --> 00:49:00,894
Very.
937
00:49:00,894 --> 00:49:02,940
[Ballantyne]: I was afraid
938
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,550
that my colleagues and friends
upstairs
939
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:09,207
were being burnt alive.
940
00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,165
[Sheppard]:
One match does the trick.
941
00:49:11,165 --> 00:49:12,819
[Ballantyne]: Any one of about
20 people could've done it,
942
00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:15,039
or 50 people could've done it.
943
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,692
They were so angry.
944
00:49:16,692 --> 00:49:22,350
Just pure, primal,
venal hatred.
945
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:26,093
At what?
946
00:49:26,093 --> 00:49:28,052
At being a nigger?
947
00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:32,186
That shook me to my core,
of course,
948
00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:33,883
because that means
that there are people around
949
00:49:33,883 --> 00:49:39,846
who don't mind
seeing other people perish.
950
00:49:39,846 --> 00:49:42,849
That hit me hard,
951
00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:47,593
and I had to come to terms
with understanding
952
00:49:47,593 --> 00:49:50,378
that human beings are capable
of doing all manner of things
953
00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:54,339
that I never dreamed
were possible.
954
00:49:54,339 --> 00:50:02,042
All of that accompanied
by the chants of a white mob
955
00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:04,871
chanting,
"Let the niggers burn."
956
00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:06,438
People were yelling,
"Burn, nigger, burn."
957
00:50:06,438 --> 00:50:10,181
This chanting
of, "Let the niggers burn..."
958
00:50:10,181 --> 00:50:12,270
you know, they wanted us to die.
959
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:14,272
That...
960
00:50:14,272 --> 00:50:15,838
that, you don't forget.
961
00:50:15,838 --> 00:50:17,101
[yelling]
962
00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:22,280
[Sheppard]: The police
apparently told the university
963
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,195
they would not go up
to the ninth floor
964
00:50:24,195 --> 00:50:26,545
and dismantle the barricades
965
00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,634
and remove the students
966
00:50:28,634 --> 00:50:31,898
unless the university
representatives were there
967
00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:33,813
to be able to testify
968
00:50:33,813 --> 00:50:36,555
that there had been no violence,
no brutality.
969
00:50:36,555 --> 00:50:39,514
Fortunately, they were able
to axe the door down
970
00:50:39,514 --> 00:50:41,951
for us to get out.
971
00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:45,738
[Chang]: And that's
when the riot squad went in
972
00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:48,523
and started to get the guys out.
973
00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:49,872
[yelling]
974
00:50:51,352 --> 00:50:52,571
[Mossop]:
They started beating us
975
00:50:52,571 --> 00:50:54,181
as we came through the door.
976
00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:56,618
[Cools]: It was four girls,
and somebody took us,
977
00:50:56,618 --> 00:50:59,360
and we were in the elevator,
and we were then downstairs.
978
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,843
At the time, a policeman
actually maliciously told us
979
00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:05,062
that people had been killed.
980
00:51:09,718 --> 00:51:11,633
[Hubsher]: Several students
got beaten up really badly,
981
00:51:11,633 --> 00:51:14,201
and I know that
982
00:51:14,201 --> 00:51:16,334
because two of them
were put into my paddy wagon,
983
00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:20,425
and they were a mess.
984
00:51:20,425 --> 00:51:22,731
They'd been severely beaten,
985
00:51:22,731 --> 00:51:26,083
and I knew both of these guys,
and they were not aggressive.
986
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,041
They were...
987
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:35,744
[Ford]: I grew up in Trinidad.
988
00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:37,703
I was a very humble person.
989
00:51:37,703 --> 00:51:40,227
I was in the Scouts.
990
00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:43,448
In the Scouts, we serve people.
991
00:51:43,448 --> 00:51:45,537
We work with the elderly.
992
00:51:45,537 --> 00:51:47,147
We work with children.
993
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:48,627
[crowds yell]
994
00:51:48,627 --> 00:51:49,889
I remember
some specific things.
995
00:51:49,889 --> 00:51:53,371
I was, you know, like,
cuffed in the nose,
996
00:51:53,371 --> 00:51:55,242
a punch, or...
997
00:51:55,242 --> 00:52:00,900
but I more remember the other
people who got beaten up.
998
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:02,597
Your hand could be bleeding,
999
00:52:02,597 --> 00:52:04,556
but you aren't thinking
about your injury, you know,
1000
00:52:04,556 --> 00:52:06,253
but you want to make sure
everybody is...
1001
00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:07,211
it's okay.
1002
00:52:16,394 --> 00:52:18,004
Everybody who was inside
that centre at that time
1003
00:52:18,004 --> 00:52:21,138
on that particular floor
was, was arrested.
1004
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:41,549
[fire crackles]
1005
00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:02,657
[Fredericks]: Originally
we had planned
1006
00:53:02,657 --> 00:53:05,225
to go down to O'Brien's office,
1007
00:53:05,225 --> 00:53:07,227
but it's too small!
1008
00:53:07,227 --> 00:53:09,795
[audio slows]
1009
00:53:18,717 --> 00:53:20,284
He...
1010
00:53:28,030 --> 00:53:31,860
Kennedy was bright.
1011
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:34,036
Vibrant.
1012
00:53:34,036 --> 00:53:36,038
Um...
1013
00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:41,740
He probably was...
well...
1014
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:45,526
he was very bright.
1015
00:53:45,526 --> 00:53:50,966
But... he lost faith.
1016
00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:53,534
You see, Kennedy...
1017
00:53:53,534 --> 00:53:56,145
my memory of Kennedy
1018
00:53:56,145 --> 00:54:01,150
was that he was a believer
in the principles
1019
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:06,547
that the university was supposed
to have established,
1020
00:54:06,547 --> 00:54:12,292
and that the reality
of what he had to confront with
1021
00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:13,511
was too much for him.
1022
00:54:13,511 --> 00:54:18,037
Ah, I... I know that he
went off to Tanzania.
1023
00:54:18,037 --> 00:54:20,605
Well, he went off to Tanzania
with our blessings
1024
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:21,954
and with all our money,
1025
00:54:21,954 --> 00:54:24,783
because we had paid,
put up the bail,
1026
00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:27,176
all of us had put together
for the bail,
1027
00:54:27,176 --> 00:54:30,528
and we knew they wanted
to hang him and crucify him
1028
00:54:30,528 --> 00:54:32,399
in Canada, in Montreal,
1029
00:54:32,399 --> 00:54:34,967
so everybody told him, "Run!"
1030
00:54:39,493 --> 00:54:41,321
[Ford]: I mean, I really had
to reach out for him
1031
00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:45,499
because he, he felt
a lot of pain,
1032
00:54:45,499 --> 00:54:47,806
the disappointment
and the disillusionment,
1033
00:54:47,806 --> 00:54:50,678
and, you know, I'm, I'm...
1034
00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:53,507
It really hurts me,
you know, to see where...
1035
00:54:53,507 --> 00:54:54,639
where he had reached,
1036
00:54:54,639 --> 00:55:00,906
and not to enjoy...
life to the fullest.
1037
00:55:00,906 --> 00:55:02,821
When this issue
1038
00:55:02,821 --> 00:55:05,258
has been causing mental strain
and physical...
1039
00:55:05,258 --> 00:55:07,216
and physical breakdown
to students,
1040
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:09,088
then one begins to wonder
1041
00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:12,352
as to the right of the existence
of such a university.
1042
00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:14,093
[Indongo]: My father
has just gone through
1043
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:17,531
serious bouts
of mental health issues
1044
00:55:17,531 --> 00:55:20,186
since
the whole Sir George incident.
1045
00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:24,016
And it's been really difficult
for him
1046
00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:27,193
to kind of,
to continue his life
1047
00:55:27,193 --> 00:55:30,762
without having
those kinds of demons
1048
00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:31,632
sort of chasing him.
1049
00:56:00,095 --> 00:56:01,401
[Murray]: Of course,
when all the other students
1050
00:56:01,401 --> 00:56:06,624
were being discharged
and released from prison,
1051
00:56:06,624 --> 00:56:09,235
the only ones left
were the black students.
1052
00:56:09,235 --> 00:56:10,715
1:00 in the morning,
1053
00:56:10,715 --> 00:56:12,543
they came
and took me out of my cell
1054
00:56:12,543 --> 00:56:16,590
and sat me down with the police,
you know, real movie-style
1055
00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:18,723
under a little light
and the whole bit.
1056
00:56:18,723 --> 00:56:20,377
He's lighting a cigarette,
1057
00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:21,856
and he's bringing it closer
and closer to my face,
1058
00:56:21,856 --> 00:56:22,640
and he eventually burned me.
1059
00:56:25,033 --> 00:56:27,296
[reporter]: You think it's
still possible to negotiate,
1060
00:56:27,296 --> 00:56:28,863
or is the day of talk over?
1061
00:56:28,863 --> 00:56:31,126
Well, I suppose
if we negotiate now,
1062
00:56:31,126 --> 00:56:33,694
it'd be across bars.
1063
00:56:39,613 --> 00:56:43,008
[Cools]: Taking part in a sit-in
is not wrong.
1064
00:56:43,008 --> 00:56:45,880
It is not even really illegal.
1065
00:56:46,968 --> 00:56:48,883
[door slams]
1066
00:56:48,883 --> 00:56:51,538
I would've thought
to plead guilty
1067
00:56:51,538 --> 00:56:53,540
to something that I thought
I was not guilty of
1068
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:57,326
to be unprincipled
at that time.
1069
00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:15,083
[John]: Rosie was
a larger-than-life character.
1070
00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:16,868
He was very brilliant.
1071
00:57:16,868 --> 00:57:18,870
I don't think he was
at Sir George at the time.
1072
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:20,524
I think he was at McGill,
1073
00:57:20,524 --> 00:57:24,658
but he supported us thoroughly.
1074
00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:28,009
You displayed it right here
that this institution is racist,
1075
00:57:28,009 --> 00:57:30,577
and in the house institution
of decision-making here,
1076
00:57:30,577 --> 00:57:32,405
your parliament
displayed it.
1077
00:57:32,405 --> 00:57:33,798
[reporter]:
Roosevelt Douglas,
1078
00:57:33,798 --> 00:57:35,016
who was involved
in the black students' movement,
1079
00:57:35,016 --> 00:57:38,542
gained national publicity
for his part in the sit-in.
1080
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,413
Since his release from jail
last year,
1081
00:57:40,413 --> 00:57:42,415
he's made a full-time career
1082
00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:45,374
as a militant
Black Power advocate.
1083
00:57:45,374 --> 00:57:47,464
I am a fighter for liberation
1084
00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:50,031
and one who believes
that my country has the capacity
1085
00:57:50,031 --> 00:57:53,687
to produce and provide
all our people
1086
00:57:53,687 --> 00:57:54,949
with a decent standard
of living,
1087
00:57:54,949 --> 00:57:56,168
and to do that,
1088
00:57:56,168 --> 00:57:57,256
there have to be certain
basic structural changes.
1089
00:57:57,256 --> 00:57:59,519
I think Rosie Douglas
was the only one
1090
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:02,391
who persisted
in trying to stretch out
1091
00:58:02,391 --> 00:58:05,046
the political mileage
of that whole thing.
1092
00:58:05,046 --> 00:58:06,308
[man]: They say Rosie Douglas
1093
00:58:06,308 --> 00:58:08,746
is a threat
to national security.
1094
00:58:08,746 --> 00:58:10,051
[Murray]: His whole life,
1095
00:58:10,051 --> 00:58:11,313
he felt
he was under surveillance.
1096
00:58:11,313 --> 00:58:14,186
[John]: Was it a reality
that we were infiltrated?
1097
00:58:14,186 --> 00:58:16,057
Yes, that much was proven.
1098
00:58:16,057 --> 00:58:17,711
Was it a reality
1099
00:58:17,711 --> 00:58:22,150
that so-called leaders
were under surveillance?
1100
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:24,979
Yes, that was confirmed.
1101
00:58:24,979 --> 00:58:26,590
There was
some dramatic testimony today
1102
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:29,244
before the McDonald Commission
into the RCMP.
1103
00:58:29,244 --> 00:58:31,769
It came from an American
named Warren Heart,
1104
00:58:31,769 --> 00:58:33,466
who says that for four years,
1105
00:58:33,466 --> 00:58:36,121
he worked as an agent
in Canada and other countries.
1106
00:58:36,121 --> 00:58:38,297
[reporter]: His job was
to infiltrate radical groups
1107
00:58:38,297 --> 00:58:40,386
like the Black Panthers.
1108
00:58:40,386 --> 00:58:44,172
Roosevelt "Rosie" Douglas
was to be Heart's chief target.
1109
00:58:44,172 --> 00:58:46,044
Today, Heart testified
1110
00:58:46,044 --> 00:58:47,654
that he'd been told
to break the law
1111
00:58:47,654 --> 00:58:49,134
to get information.
1112
00:58:49,134 --> 00:58:51,440
He opened mail,
broke into buildings,
1113
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,269
and secretly taped
Douglas' conversations.
1114
00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:58,143
His orders, he said,
came from the Mounties directly.
1115
00:59:28,695 --> 00:59:30,436
[John]:
I was born in St. Vincent.
1116
00:59:33,352 --> 00:59:36,398
From the moment that I arrived,
1117
00:59:36,398 --> 00:59:38,313
interestingly enough,
1118
00:59:38,313 --> 00:59:40,489
my thought was always,
1119
00:59:40,489 --> 00:59:44,755
"At least
I will be going back home,"
1120
00:59:44,755 --> 00:59:46,800
and I think this is the,
1121
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,933
this is the classic position
of the immigrant.
1122
00:59:48,933 --> 00:59:52,501
The immigrant moves
to a new community.
1123
00:59:52,501 --> 00:59:53,981
They do not belong there,
1124
00:59:53,981 --> 00:59:55,548
but they take solace
in the notion
1125
00:59:55,548 --> 00:59:58,203
that they can go back home,
1126
00:59:58,203 --> 01:00:02,163
and for many of us,
going back home
1127
01:00:02,163 --> 01:00:05,384
means to confront the fact
that you have left so long
1128
01:00:05,384 --> 01:00:07,604
that you really cannot go home
again.
1129
01:00:35,936 --> 01:00:39,505
[Rennie]: We came out of jail
sometime around June,
1130
01:00:39,505 --> 01:00:43,509
and by December of that year,
I fought my way into Trinidad,
1131
01:00:43,509 --> 01:00:47,208
and I came home
to get an assessment
1132
01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:50,559
of what was happening
in Trinidad.
1133
01:00:53,084 --> 01:00:53,998
[reporter]: It is exactly
two weeks ago today
1134
01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:56,522
since the first demonstrations
began
1135
01:00:56,522 --> 01:00:58,437
against what the Black Power
people here
1136
01:00:58,437 --> 01:01:00,918
call Canadian Imperialism,
1137
01:01:00,918 --> 01:01:02,876
and against the trial
of the 10 Trinidadians
1138
01:01:02,876 --> 01:01:04,617
in Montreal.
1139
01:01:04,617 --> 01:01:07,359
The demonstrations
have mounted steadily,
1140
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:08,926
both in the number of people
concerned with them,
1141
01:01:08,926 --> 01:01:10,275
and in their ferocity.
1142
01:01:10,275 --> 01:01:11,798
[Rennie]: It started off
1143
01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:15,062
with the issue
being the Sir George Williams,
1144
01:01:15,062 --> 01:01:17,064
but the local issues
took over.
1145
01:01:17,064 --> 01:01:18,544
Mass movement came out
on the street.
1146
01:01:18,544 --> 01:01:21,155
You're talking
about 20,000, 30,000 people
1147
01:01:21,155 --> 01:01:22,069
marching every day.
1148
01:01:24,550 --> 01:01:27,292
[Ballantyne]: There was an anger
and enthusiasm.
1149
01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:29,120
You could feel it.
1150
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,687
It wasn't something tangible,
1151
01:01:30,687 --> 01:01:32,036
but it was something
you could feel.
1152
01:01:32,036 --> 01:01:33,951
People wanted to do something.
1153
01:01:37,084 --> 01:01:39,608
[Rennie]: At the time,
unemployment was very high.
1154
01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:42,873
People were very frustrated
with the situation,
1155
01:01:42,873 --> 01:01:45,397
the lack of opportunities.
1156
01:01:45,397 --> 01:01:47,616
[man]: We want
to end the exploitation,
1157
01:01:47,616 --> 01:01:51,011
economically, culturally,
in every sense,
1158
01:01:51,011 --> 01:01:52,926
by the white foreign powers,
1159
01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:55,407
particularly from North America
and Britain.
1160
01:01:55,407 --> 01:01:57,452
As we go lower down the street,
1161
01:01:57,452 --> 01:01:59,846
we'll pass a number
of other Canadian banks.
1162
01:01:59,846 --> 01:02:03,763
You are
one of our major exploiters.
1163
01:02:03,763 --> 01:02:05,243
[Rennie]: And the moment
they were arrested
1164
01:02:05,243 --> 01:02:08,942
for that demonstration
against the banks,
1165
01:02:08,942 --> 01:02:10,422
the situation broke.
1166
01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:13,294
[explosion]
1167
01:02:13,294 --> 01:02:17,124
I think at the local level,
a butterfly flapped its wing,
1168
01:02:17,124 --> 01:02:19,257
and it blew,
1169
01:02:19,257 --> 01:02:21,955
and it blew because
you had Black Power movement
1170
01:02:21,955 --> 01:02:23,827
in the States,
1171
01:02:23,827 --> 01:02:25,654
you had the movement
for the liberation of Africa
1172
01:02:25,654 --> 01:02:27,091
at the same time,
1173
01:02:27,091 --> 01:02:29,876
you had the whole Caribbean
1174
01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:33,358
moving towards different degrees
of independence.
1175
01:02:33,358 --> 01:02:35,099
All of the Caribbean
1176
01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:37,579
is under the control
of the Imperialists,
1177
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:39,930
and all of the Caribbean
must fight to free itself,
1178
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:41,409
and since
we are the same people,
1179
01:02:41,409 --> 01:02:43,455
we must aid each other
in our battles
1180
01:02:43,455 --> 01:02:45,413
to free ourselves
from racist Imperialism.
1181
01:02:45,413 --> 01:02:47,502
When in April of 1970,
1182
01:02:47,502 --> 01:02:49,940
they passed
the state of emergency
1183
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:51,898
because they wanted the army
to come out
1184
01:02:51,898 --> 01:02:55,206
and quell the people's
demonstrations in the street
1185
01:02:55,206 --> 01:02:57,164
because people
were demonstrating every day.
1186
01:02:57,164 --> 01:02:59,993
They passed
a state of emergency,
1187
01:02:59,993 --> 01:03:01,516
and they tried
to lock the square.
1188
01:03:03,257 --> 01:03:10,699
The square was the place
known for people's expression.
1189
01:03:10,699 --> 01:03:12,701
Eric Williams,
when he came in '56,
1190
01:03:12,701 --> 01:03:14,051
he referred to it
1191
01:03:14,051 --> 01:03:15,704
as the University
of Woodford Square.
1192
01:03:15,704 --> 01:03:18,403
That University
of Woodford Square in 1970
1193
01:03:18,403 --> 01:03:21,101
became a people's parliament.
1194
01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:22,711
And what did the government do?
1195
01:03:24,278 --> 01:03:26,063
Lock it up
1196
01:03:26,063 --> 01:03:29,631
to prevent
the expression of the people.
1197
01:03:35,246 --> 01:03:37,074
[fire crackles]
1198
01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:52,393
[John]:
At the end of the day,
1199
01:03:52,393 --> 01:03:56,658
the question that is posed is,
1200
01:03:56,658 --> 01:04:01,838
were these students suicidal,
or just absolutely stupid
1201
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:05,798
that they would set a fire
1202
01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:08,540
in which the consequences
of setting that fire
1203
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:10,542
was not simply the destruction
of the computers,
1204
01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:13,458
but that their lives
would be in danger?
1205
01:04:16,417 --> 01:04:19,159
Once you call a person,
once you identify a person
1206
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:24,034
not only as the other,
but as such a feral animal
1207
01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:27,167
that you wished
to have him burn,
1208
01:04:27,167 --> 01:04:29,169
then it is very easy
to appreciate
1209
01:04:29,169 --> 01:04:32,520
that you can go one step further
1210
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,914
and create the conditions.
1211
01:04:39,832 --> 01:04:44,228
Without any direct evidence...
1212
01:04:44,228 --> 01:04:47,100
I am of the opinion,
1213
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,755
I hold the opinion...
1214
01:04:49,755 --> 01:04:52,497
and we're all entitled
to our opinions...
1215
01:04:52,497 --> 01:04:57,023
that the fire was set
by law enforcement.
1216
01:05:02,681 --> 01:05:04,117
[explosion]
1217
01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,640
[fire crackles]
1218
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,383
Nobody ever told me
exactly who it was.
1219
01:05:09,383 --> 01:05:13,518
And it would've been ludicrous
for us to start the fire,
1220
01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:15,302
because we were locked in.
1221
01:05:15,302 --> 01:05:18,610
[Butcher]:
Nobody has been able to
1222
01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:21,047
or has wished to
1223
01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:25,878
or has said that they've seen
anybody do anything like that,
1224
01:05:25,878 --> 01:05:30,056
and a certain solidarity exists
that, look,
1225
01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:33,059
it was an injustice
in which we paid the price,
1226
01:05:33,059 --> 01:05:35,496
so we were going
to stand together.
1227
01:05:55,255 --> 01:05:56,691
[reporter]: Do you think
1228
01:05:56,691 --> 01:05:58,389
that the suspension
served any useful purpose?
1229
01:05:58,389 --> 01:06:00,565
Absolutely not.
1230
01:06:00,565 --> 01:06:03,394
In fact, I think
it was personally damaging.
1231
01:06:03,394 --> 01:06:05,657
It is now on my record.
1232
01:06:05,657 --> 01:06:06,788
You now have
a suspension.
1233
01:06:06,788 --> 01:06:07,876
Even if it is
lifted later,
1234
01:06:07,876 --> 01:06:09,226
you think it'll hurt
your later career?
1235
01:06:09,226 --> 01:06:10,575
Definitely so,
1236
01:06:10,575 --> 01:06:12,664
and I can refer to an article
in the New York Times
1237
01:06:12,664 --> 01:06:13,752
in relationship to this,
1238
01:06:13,752 --> 01:06:17,930
where a statement was made
1239
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:22,152
that students had brought
a charge of racism against me,
1240
01:06:22,152 --> 01:06:24,850
that the administration
had moved to suspend me,
1241
01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:27,331
and that an inquiry was pending.
1242
01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:28,941
The connotation there,
of course,
1243
01:06:28,941 --> 01:06:32,423
is that the administration...
1244
01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,950
possibly felt that I was guilty.
1245
01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:42,520
[Duff]: You don't get
an accusation like that
1246
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,261
unless it's happening.
1247
01:06:44,261 --> 01:06:46,263
I mean, you know,
1248
01:06:46,263 --> 01:06:48,308
people don't jump to conclusions
like that
1249
01:06:48,308 --> 01:06:52,791
because there isn't good grounds
for it in the culture at large,
1250
01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,097
and in that sense,
1251
01:06:54,097 --> 01:06:56,316
Perry's as guilty as me
or anyone else
1252
01:06:56,316 --> 01:06:58,362
of being culturally biased,
right?
1253
01:06:58,362 --> 01:07:01,843
And I don't think
it was a personal bias,
1254
01:07:01,843 --> 01:07:04,107
but he was
part of the cultural bias.
1255
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,892
Have you dealt with
black students before,
1256
01:07:06,892 --> 01:07:08,154
and what were your
relationships with them,
1257
01:07:08,154 --> 01:07:10,548
if you have?
1258
01:07:10,548 --> 01:07:12,332
Could you qualify
that statement?
1259
01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:14,204
Have you dealt with
black students before,
1260
01:07:14,204 --> 01:07:16,119
with West Indians
before, in any way,
1261
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:19,905
and how were your
relationships with them?
1262
01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:23,169
There are forces
and, and movements
1263
01:07:23,169 --> 01:07:25,171
and political movements
in societies
1264
01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:27,608
that really are, you know,
1265
01:07:27,608 --> 01:07:29,654
much more powerful
than individuals,
1266
01:07:29,654 --> 01:07:32,396
and that he felt very much
1267
01:07:32,396 --> 01:07:36,574
that you should be aware of that
in life,
1268
01:07:36,574 --> 01:07:38,271
because he wasn't,
and he felt very much
1269
01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:40,491
that he got caught up
in something
1270
01:07:40,491 --> 01:07:42,188
that he didn't understand.
1271
01:07:42,188 --> 01:07:46,497
Well, I feel that the pressures
1272
01:07:46,497 --> 01:07:51,110
that were on my shoulders
since last December
1273
01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:56,811
were subconscious
more than anything,
1274
01:07:56,811 --> 01:07:59,075
and it is only recently
that I've realized
1275
01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:06,647
how mentally depressed I was
over the course of the period.
1276
01:08:06,647 --> 01:08:09,085
But you didn't realize
it at the time,
1277
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:11,174
when the pressure
was at its most...
1278
01:08:11,174 --> 01:08:13,132
was the most intense?
1279
01:08:13,132 --> 01:08:14,264
No, I don't think
that I realized
1280
01:08:14,264 --> 01:08:16,657
how depressed I really was.
1281
01:08:33,805 --> 01:08:37,069
[Bayne]: How can you tell
what is racist?
1282
01:08:37,069 --> 01:08:40,159
In any particular context,
1283
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,292
every single one of us
might be racist.
1284
01:08:44,076 --> 01:08:47,471
There is the extent to which
is what control do you have
1285
01:08:47,471 --> 01:08:52,040
over your selfish
genetic demands
1286
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,347
for self-security?
1287
01:08:54,347 --> 01:08:56,958
That is what makes
the difference between someone
1288
01:08:56,958 --> 01:08:59,439
who is a conscious,
vicious racist,
1289
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,792
and someone
who is simply responding
1290
01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:08,056
on a sort of, um...
1291
01:09:08,056 --> 01:09:10,755
"I need
to ensure that I survive,
1292
01:09:10,755 --> 01:09:15,455
and I need to respond in a way
which meets my particular needs,
1293
01:09:15,455 --> 01:09:18,763
and if I see
someone or something
1294
01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:22,158
that is different to who I am
and I can't read it,
1295
01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:25,422
I block them out
or exclude them."
1296
01:09:25,422 --> 01:09:30,253
Now, I think we're all capable
of that kind of response.
1297
01:09:30,253 --> 01:09:34,648
The question is, have we learned
how to control this
1298
01:09:34,648 --> 01:09:36,389
so that we can have
1299
01:09:36,389 --> 01:09:40,915
the maximum amount
of harmony and peace
1300
01:09:40,915 --> 01:09:44,745
and move forward together
1301
01:09:44,745 --> 01:09:47,444
against an external,
physical world
1302
01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:54,842
that's not always giving us
the security we need?
1303
01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:02,676
[Indongo]: Things aren't
that much different
1304
01:10:02,676 --> 01:10:03,503
for my son.
1305
01:10:07,986 --> 01:10:09,988
It may look different
1306
01:10:09,988 --> 01:10:12,164
because there's a little bit
more tolerance,
1307
01:10:12,164 --> 01:10:13,426
or what seems to be
more tolerance,
1308
01:10:13,426 --> 01:10:15,907
but...
1309
01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:18,126
I, I really...
1310
01:10:20,607 --> 01:10:22,087
I really don't see it.
1311
01:10:22,087 --> 01:10:27,571
So if I stay here with my son,
who's African-Caribbean...
1312
01:10:29,747 --> 01:10:32,619
whose father has to walk...
1313
01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:35,579
witness young, white,
Hasidic girls
1314
01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:37,189
rush across the street
1315
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:40,671
when they see him
coming out of his apartment,
1316
01:10:40,671 --> 01:10:44,196
and then cross back
once they've passed him,
1317
01:10:44,196 --> 01:10:45,850
those are the moments
it's just like,
1318
01:10:45,850 --> 01:10:46,720
"There's nothing we could do."
1319
01:11:22,147 --> 01:11:26,282
[John]: Your entire being
is involved
1320
01:11:26,282 --> 01:11:27,935
in trying to affect something,
1321
01:11:27,935 --> 01:11:29,154
and at the end of the day,
1322
01:11:29,154 --> 01:11:32,070
you have failed,
and failed spectacularly.
1323
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:35,247
And even to this day,
1324
01:11:35,247 --> 01:11:41,122
the relationships with my,
with my two sons is, um...
1325
01:11:41,122 --> 01:11:46,824
bracketed by those early days
when I was not there,
1326
01:11:46,824 --> 01:11:50,393
and we subsequently
got divorced, my wife and I,
1327
01:11:50,393 --> 01:11:51,481
and...
1328
01:11:54,397 --> 01:12:01,708
I do not bother
to say to them, you know, I...
1329
01:12:01,708 --> 01:12:04,276
I don't even say...
1330
01:12:04,276 --> 01:12:06,452
I haven't even said
that I'm sorry,
1331
01:12:06,452 --> 01:12:09,499
because to say that I'm sorry
1332
01:12:09,499 --> 01:12:12,458
presupposes that I should've
done something different.
1333
01:12:25,297 --> 01:12:27,778
I think Perry felt
1334
01:12:27,778 --> 01:12:32,130
that it was very much, um,
1335
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:36,221
an absolutely horrific thing
that was happening to him.
1336
01:12:36,221 --> 01:12:38,702
I think Mom felt...
1337
01:12:38,702 --> 01:12:40,834
she wanted
to carry on and persevere
1338
01:12:40,834 --> 01:12:43,576
in the way that we had,
1339
01:12:43,576 --> 01:12:46,927
where Perry, I think,
saw it differently.
1340
01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:52,106
This is just
when I start to have memory.
1341
01:12:52,106 --> 01:12:55,066
I'm not sure
if I'm four and a half or five.
1342
01:12:55,066 --> 01:12:56,720
I remember
sitting on the staircase.
1343
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,549
We were in a duplex
over in NDG.
1344
01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:02,160
I think it was two floors,
It must've been,
1345
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,640
'cause I remember
sitting on the staircase
1346
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:08,035
and just hearing loud voices
downstairs,
1347
01:13:08,035 --> 01:13:12,431
not sure what was going on, um,
1348
01:13:12,431 --> 01:13:15,129
and then I remember
Mom being gone.
1349
01:13:27,925 --> 01:13:29,317
[Ford]: Some people ask me,
1350
01:13:29,317 --> 01:13:31,276
"Well,
how long does a bee live?"
1351
01:13:31,276 --> 01:13:39,719
But then, I never take that on,
because a bee is a bee is a bee.
1352
01:13:39,719 --> 01:13:43,680
So that same bee, if I mark it,
it'll probably die and go,
1353
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,030
but there's another bee
that's doing the same thing,
1354
01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:47,858
and producing honey,
1355
01:13:47,858 --> 01:13:51,557
and the honey from thousands
and thousands of years ago
1356
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:52,776
is the same thing.
1357
01:13:55,256 --> 01:13:56,823
Now, as you're working,
1358
01:13:56,823 --> 01:13:58,912
I think sometimes,
you reflect a lot,
1359
01:13:58,912 --> 01:14:00,653
you meditate a lot,
you think a lot.
1360
01:14:04,483 --> 01:14:05,615
You touch on
a whole lot of things.
1361
01:14:05,615 --> 01:14:08,835
You get a chance
to resolve things.
1362
01:14:08,835 --> 01:14:11,447
Issues come up,
and you solve them.
1363
01:14:13,579 --> 01:14:16,974
A time to get into you
and to understand you,
1364
01:14:16,974 --> 01:14:18,192
and what are your beliefs.
1365
01:14:18,192 --> 01:14:21,413
What are you believing,
1366
01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:24,460
and what are you doing here,
you know?
1367
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:30,074
And the fact that
you will not be here forever,
1368
01:14:30,074 --> 01:14:34,165
and that you're passing through,
1369
01:14:34,165 --> 01:14:39,083
and these things
are resolved in your mind,
1370
01:14:39,083 --> 01:14:44,305
that you're just a,
you're just a traveller,
1371
01:14:44,305 --> 01:14:47,483
and it removes fear.
1372
01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,273
[♪♪♪]
1373
01:15:10,375 --> 01:15:14,684
♪ Oh, pirates, yes
they rob I ♪
1374
01:15:14,684 --> 01:15:19,950
♪ Sold I to the merchant ships
1375
01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:24,171
♪ Minutes after they took I
1376
01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:27,218
♪ From the bottomless pit
1377
01:15:27,218 --> 01:15:31,483
♪ But my hand was made strong
1378
01:15:31,483 --> 01:15:36,140
♪ By the 'and of the Almighty
1379
01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:41,275
♪ We forward
in this generation ♪
1380
01:15:41,275 --> 01:15:45,323
♪ Triumphantly
1381
01:15:45,323 --> 01:15:48,326
♪ Won't you help to sing
1382
01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:53,810
♪ These songs of freedom
1383
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:58,118
♪ 'Cause all I ever have
1384
01:15:58,118 --> 01:16:01,818
♪ Redemption song
1385
01:16:03,254 --> 01:16:06,344
♪ Redemption song
1386
01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:27,800
♪ Emancipate yourself
from mental slavery ♪
1387
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,717
♪ None but ourselves
can free our minds ♪
1388
01:16:31,717 --> 01:16:35,634
♪ Have no fear
for atomic energy ♪
1389
01:16:35,634 --> 01:16:39,812
♪ 'Cause none of them
can stop the time ♪
1390
01:16:39,812 --> 01:16:43,207
♪ How long shall they
kill our prophets ♪
1391
01:16:43,207 --> 01:16:47,298
♪ While we stand aside
and look ♪
1392
01:16:47,298 --> 01:16:51,737
♪ Some say
it's just a part of it ♪
1393
01:16:51,737 --> 01:16:55,349
♪ We've got
to fulfill the book ♪
1394
01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:56,916
♪ Ooh
1395
01:16:56,916 --> 01:17:00,311
♪ Won't you help us sing
1396
01:17:00,311 --> 01:17:04,271
♪ Redemption
Redemption ♪
1397
01:17:04,271 --> 01:17:07,535
♪ Redemption redemption
1398
01:17:07,535 --> 01:17:09,973
[singing harmony]
1399
01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:13,019
♪ None but ourselves
can free our minds ♪
1400
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,024
♪ Redemption
Redemption ♪
1401
01:17:18,024 --> 01:17:22,725
♪ None but ourselves
can free our minds ♪
1402
01:17:22,725 --> 01:17:23,900
♪ Emancipate
1403
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:26,554
♪ These songs of freedom
1404
01:17:26,554 --> 01:17:27,643
♪ Emancipate
1405
01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:30,428
♪ These songs of freedom
1406
01:17:30,428 --> 01:17:31,472
♪ Emancipate
1407
01:17:31,472 --> 01:17:34,258
♪ These songs of freedom
1408
01:17:34,258 --> 01:17:35,346
♪ Emancipate
1409
01:17:35,346 --> 01:17:39,959
♪ These songs of freedom
1410
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:00,371
[♪♪♪]
1411
01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:53,293
[♪♪♪]
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