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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,870 --> 00:00:03,220 [♪♪♪] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,273 --> 00:00:13,970 [footsteps click] 5 00:00:16,973 --> 00:00:18,409 [chair wheels draw closer] 6 00:00:22,370 --> 00:00:24,285 We're dealing with the kind of racism 7 00:00:24,285 --> 00:00:27,157 that we usually break down in two categories. 8 00:00:27,157 --> 00:00:29,420 One kind of racism is manifested 9 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:31,640 in what we call "individualized racism." 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,163 The other kind 11 00:00:33,163 --> 00:00:35,687 is what we call "institutionalized racism," 12 00:00:35,687 --> 00:00:37,602 and we're dealing with both kinds now. 13 00:00:37,602 --> 00:00:39,648 They have not really had to confront 14 00:00:39,648 --> 00:00:43,086 this kind of issue before, face-to-face, 15 00:00:43,086 --> 00:00:45,915 because of the small black population in Canada. 16 00:00:45,915 --> 00:00:47,221 [reporter]: In your opinion, do you believe 17 00:00:47,221 --> 00:00:48,613 there is some racism in this university? 18 00:00:48,613 --> 00:00:51,790 Well, there is racial discrimination in this city. 19 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:53,705 There is racial discrimination on this continent, 20 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:55,055 and I would be very much surprised 21 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,535 if the university was made up of a group of angels, 22 00:00:57,535 --> 00:01:00,930 whereas we know full well that our society is not. 23 00:01:00,930 --> 00:01:02,540 If there is racial discrimination 24 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:03,976 in this university, 25 00:01:03,976 --> 00:01:05,195 I will make up my mind on this 26 00:01:05,195 --> 00:01:07,371 when I hear the evidence under due process 27 00:01:07,371 --> 00:01:08,894 to this effect. 28 00:01:27,348 --> 00:01:29,654 [yelling, cheering] 29 00:01:32,266 --> 00:01:34,833 We want justice! We want justice! 30 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:37,140 [narrator]: February, 1969. 31 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:38,272 For two weeks, 32 00:01:38,272 --> 00:01:41,101 hundreds of students barricaded themselves 33 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:42,580 in the university's computer centre. 34 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:45,409 They were protesting the alleged racism 35 00:01:45,409 --> 00:01:47,281 of a university professor. 36 00:01:47,281 --> 00:01:49,544 What started out as a peaceful protest 37 00:01:49,544 --> 00:01:51,676 turned into ugly violence 38 00:01:51,676 --> 00:01:53,330 when the occupants allegedly set the building on fire 39 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:56,072 and destroyed the computers with axes. 40 00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:01,991 97 protestors faced a variety of criminal charges. 41 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:05,037 Many of those charged were from the Caribbean. 42 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:16,614 The Sir George Williams incident 43 00:02:16,614 --> 00:02:18,181 had a greater effect on Canadians 44 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,270 than the surface details would suggest. 45 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:21,358 The computer centre riot 46 00:02:21,358 --> 00:02:24,318 has gained an almost mythical stature 47 00:02:24,318 --> 00:02:28,148 as a turning point for race relations in Canada. 48 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:31,151 The Sir George event is a story, 49 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:33,805 a story of a whole bunch of circumstances 50 00:02:33,805 --> 00:02:34,937 that came together. 51 00:02:34,937 --> 00:02:38,419 None of the individuals really mattered. 52 00:02:38,419 --> 00:02:40,856 The individuals were all part of a mosaic, 53 00:02:40,856 --> 00:02:43,250 and they represented a story 54 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:46,166 that is embedded in the entire larger community. 55 00:03:22,419 --> 00:03:24,552 [bees buzzing] 56 00:03:28,686 --> 00:03:32,299 [Bukka Rennie]: I think, basically, what happened with me 57 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:34,431 is that, um, I was frustrated at the time 58 00:03:34,431 --> 00:03:38,174 in around '65, '66 in Trinidad and Tobago. 59 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:43,266 I wanted something else. 60 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:45,834 I wanted to explore other possibilities, 61 00:03:45,834 --> 00:03:47,923 and the idea came that, look, 62 00:03:47,923 --> 00:03:49,925 I would have to get out of Trinidad. 63 00:03:49,925 --> 00:03:52,580 [dog whines] 64 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:56,323 When I began applying to Canadian universities, 65 00:03:56,323 --> 00:03:59,413 Sir George Williams did something that was really... 66 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:00,892 that really caught me. 67 00:04:00,892 --> 00:04:04,026 They were asking me things like what kind of music I like, 68 00:04:04,026 --> 00:04:06,115 whether I'm an introvert, 69 00:04:06,115 --> 00:04:08,596 and I felt that this here was a situation 70 00:04:08,596 --> 00:04:10,989 where these people began to make me feel 71 00:04:10,989 --> 00:04:12,948 that I could belong here. 72 00:04:12,948 --> 00:04:14,210 [♪♪♪] 73 00:04:19,389 --> 00:04:22,305 ♪ Hey, friend, say, friend Come on over ♪ 74 00:04:22,305 --> 00:04:24,568 ♪ Looking for happiness 75 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:26,657 ♪ This is the place 76 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:29,834 When I came to Canada, 77 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:32,794 I did not view myself as an immigrant. 78 00:04:32,794 --> 00:04:34,448 I thought of myself 79 00:04:34,448 --> 00:04:36,188 as moving from one part of the British Empire 80 00:04:36,188 --> 00:04:37,494 to the other. 81 00:04:37,494 --> 00:04:41,019 I came to Canada with little race consciousness 82 00:04:41,019 --> 00:04:44,327 because Barbados was a small island, 83 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:46,416 never changed hands, always British, 84 00:04:46,416 --> 00:04:48,810 with a very homogenous population, 85 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:52,727 so when I think about it now, it was a little bit amusing, 86 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:56,600 and didn't at all prepare me for what I was to find. 87 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,776 [announcer]: Montreal. 88 00:04:58,776 --> 00:05:01,692 To the whole world, Canada says, "Come to the fair." 89 00:05:01,692 --> 00:05:03,564 Expo '67, 90 00:05:03,564 --> 00:05:04,478 the greatest trade exhibition in history, is open. 91 00:05:06,349 --> 00:05:09,700 Here's the whole world in colourful miniature. 92 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:12,355 All the pavilions have exciting differences, 93 00:05:12,355 --> 00:05:14,575 but over them all, there's exciting oneness, 94 00:05:14,575 --> 00:05:18,492 a common denominator that is human and welcoming. 95 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:23,410 [Cools]: It was a great promise of diversity. 96 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:27,022 And remember, this is all new language. 97 00:05:27,022 --> 00:05:28,806 When I was growing up, the term would've been 98 00:05:28,806 --> 00:05:32,027 the universal brotherhood of men. 99 00:05:32,027 --> 00:05:34,899 The people who are coming here with an open mind 100 00:05:34,899 --> 00:05:36,640 will have a chance to measure themselves 101 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:37,554 at a dimension that is far greater 102 00:05:37,554 --> 00:05:39,513 than that dimension 103 00:05:39,513 --> 00:05:42,516 they are normally measuring themselves to. 104 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:44,735 We have here 70 countries, 105 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:47,259 who will be here with a different colour skin, 106 00:05:47,259 --> 00:05:49,697 a different language, a different tradition, 107 00:05:49,697 --> 00:05:52,177 a different architecture, a different way of life, 108 00:05:52,177 --> 00:05:53,831 a different political system. 109 00:05:53,831 --> 00:05:57,531 The promises can never, ever match up 110 00:05:57,531 --> 00:05:59,707 to the reality of existence, 111 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:02,623 and for those people who might've conflated Expo '67 112 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:04,102 with the Canadian experience, 113 00:06:04,102 --> 00:06:06,496 well... 114 00:06:06,496 --> 00:06:10,326 that would've been an error of judgement. 115 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:17,289 [Rennie]: My immediate horror 116 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:20,380 was trying to get a place to rent. 117 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:22,294 I remember, on a couple occasions, 118 00:06:22,294 --> 00:06:25,559 using the newspaper and calling places, 119 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,648 and tell me come and see the place, 120 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:29,127 and when I go, the first thing they tell me, 121 00:06:29,127 --> 00:06:31,347 "Oh, this is a sorority house. 122 00:06:31,347 --> 00:06:33,654 We're so sorry we didn't tell you that." 123 00:06:33,654 --> 00:06:35,307 You know? 124 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:37,222 I had a number of experiences of that, 125 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:38,615 and I realized to myself, 126 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:40,356 I said, "Hmm, you know something? 127 00:06:40,356 --> 00:06:42,663 It would seem to me as though Canadians are racist, 128 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:45,274 but that they like to apologize for being racist." 129 00:06:45,274 --> 00:06:46,536 [laughs] 130 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:55,719 [John]: There was a pattern of behaviour 131 00:06:55,719 --> 00:06:57,634 that was brought to my attention 132 00:06:57,634 --> 00:07:02,334 in the academic year of 1966-1967. 133 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,166 We met Anderson in a course 134 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:11,474 that was preparing us for medical school. 135 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:13,258 [John]: And if you had any illusions 136 00:07:13,258 --> 00:07:14,521 about going on to medicine, 137 00:07:14,521 --> 00:07:16,000 you needed that course. 138 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,569 Anderson was a lecturer who missed most of his lectures, 139 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:20,875 so we had to study on our own. 140 00:07:25,183 --> 00:07:30,319 Anderson never, ever supervised us in the labs, 141 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:32,452 but the times he did come there, 142 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:36,630 he would continuously address us as Mr. Ballantyne or Mr. Mossop, 143 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:39,546 whereas he would address the white students 144 00:07:39,546 --> 00:07:43,201 as John, Mary, or so forth. 145 00:07:43,201 --> 00:07:45,900 About eight or nine black students 146 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:48,816 were being failed regularly, 147 00:07:48,816 --> 00:07:52,602 and we couldn't understand what was the motivation for it. 148 00:07:52,602 --> 00:07:58,303 [John]: Had we been a group of white, English immigrants 149 00:07:58,303 --> 00:08:01,002 who were feeling eliminated, 150 00:08:01,002 --> 00:08:05,354 there would never have been the assumption 151 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:10,490 that because these people are immigrants, 152 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,970 they are somehow intellectually inferior 153 00:08:12,970 --> 00:08:15,016 to the average student. 154 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:17,061 That would never have been the narrative. 155 00:08:17,061 --> 00:08:20,238 It's not as if somehow, I was a failing student. 156 00:08:20,238 --> 00:08:22,850 None of us were failing students. 157 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:24,591 We just hit the brick wall of failure 158 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:28,551 when it came to Perry Anderson's class. 159 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:30,335 My personal experience 160 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:34,122 is that I did some labs... 161 00:08:34,122 --> 00:08:36,777 I was very meticulous with lab work... 162 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:40,781 and submitted them. 163 00:08:40,781 --> 00:08:45,263 These same labs were copied by about three students, 164 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:47,831 word-for-word. 165 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:51,705 I got sevens for my labs, and these students got tens. 166 00:08:55,273 --> 00:08:57,014 [John]: Somewhere along the line, 167 00:08:57,014 --> 00:08:59,495 at the basis of all of this 168 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:04,108 are elements that can be construed as racism. 169 00:09:04,108 --> 00:09:06,197 And so, 170 00:09:06,197 --> 00:09:08,852 to shorten the discussion, 171 00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:11,376 that is what was then the charge. 172 00:09:45,193 --> 00:09:47,108 [wind blows] 173 00:09:57,205 --> 00:10:00,904 When I came, I was a stranger. 174 00:10:00,904 --> 00:10:03,994 The essential quality of the community 175 00:10:03,994 --> 00:10:04,691 was a coldness. 176 00:10:20,837 --> 00:10:24,624 I became instantly aware that I was the other. 177 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,538 It was a really sharp demarcation 178 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:30,325 from one state to another. 179 00:10:30,325 --> 00:10:31,892 And as the other, 180 00:10:31,892 --> 00:10:35,199 you could not go anywhere without being watched. 181 00:10:56,307 --> 00:10:59,876 We, as students, feel that we have a right to be heard, 182 00:10:59,876 --> 00:11:04,446 that our issues should at least be aired, 183 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:05,926 that we should have a hearing. 184 00:11:05,926 --> 00:11:08,929 So in April of '68, 185 00:11:08,929 --> 00:11:12,802 there were 14 of us who went to present our case. 186 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:16,763 I am interested in the fact that it took from April of '68 187 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:20,331 until December of that year to force this issue, 188 00:11:20,331 --> 00:11:22,464 which is an issue vital to the life of any university, 189 00:11:22,464 --> 00:11:23,900 to the fore. 190 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:25,815 It seems during that period, to me, 191 00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:27,904 that the black students acted with forbearance, 192 00:11:27,904 --> 00:11:29,123 with intelligence, 193 00:11:29,123 --> 00:11:30,602 in a situation 194 00:11:30,602 --> 00:11:32,300 which must have been a situation of immense frustration. 195 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:34,606 The university decided 196 00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:40,177 that they would set up a committee to investigate. 197 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:42,092 They wanted to resolve the problem 198 00:11:42,092 --> 00:11:45,530 within the university administration. 199 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:46,575 [John]: This hearing committee 200 00:11:46,575 --> 00:11:50,535 was supposed to reconvene a meeting 201 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:52,973 to go back over the charges. 202 00:11:55,497 --> 00:11:56,716 That hearing committee, 203 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,849 comprised of two black professors, 204 00:11:59,849 --> 00:12:03,026 two white professors, and one professor, 205 00:12:03,026 --> 00:12:04,549 I think it was Professor Mannen, 206 00:12:04,549 --> 00:12:06,160 of East Indian heritage. 207 00:12:14,124 --> 00:12:16,518 We accepted to be there because, in part, 208 00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:18,172 we wanted to make sure 209 00:12:18,172 --> 00:12:20,565 that the students had a fair hearing. 210 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:26,746 Our job was to gather information from the students 211 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:29,009 concerning the claims that they made, 212 00:12:29,009 --> 00:12:31,881 and also gather information from the professor 213 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:33,709 to make a judgement. 214 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:41,499 That didn't sit too easy with me, 215 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:42,674 because you can't be the judge and the jury 216 00:12:42,674 --> 00:12:44,981 at the same time. 217 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:52,815 [John]: The position that the two black professors were in 218 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:54,774 was untenable. 219 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:57,341 [Bayne]: And the students were very smart. 220 00:12:57,341 --> 00:13:00,910 They made sure that we couldn't function, 221 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:03,478 because they confronted me on the mezzanine. 222 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:05,697 Four of them confronted me on the mezzanine 223 00:13:05,697 --> 00:13:08,352 with crazy charges, 224 00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:11,834 and call you sellout, traitor, this, that, 225 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:16,186 and which got me so angry that I almost got into a fight, 226 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:19,624 and at that very moment, that was it. 227 00:13:19,624 --> 00:13:24,629 That means I could not sit and receive information 228 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:26,980 and make judgment about it. 229 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:31,506 So that's how it happened that we got off the committee. 230 00:13:48,653 --> 00:13:52,353 [John]: As a minority individual, 231 00:13:52,353 --> 00:13:54,355 we are constantly struggling 232 00:13:54,355 --> 00:14:01,884 with the majority's notion of who we are. 233 00:14:01,884 --> 00:14:06,280 The question that the individual faces 234 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,371 is in order to be authentic, 235 00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:13,243 how much of that interpretation by the other 236 00:14:13,243 --> 00:14:14,854 do you absorb? 237 00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:18,683 How do you then react against it? 238 00:14:36,136 --> 00:14:39,487 Well, my father is Omowale Indongo. 239 00:14:39,487 --> 00:14:41,576 He was known as Omowale 240 00:14:41,576 --> 00:14:44,448 even during the Sir George incident. 241 00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:46,363 His name was Kennedy Fredericks. 242 00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:50,324 His birth name was Kennedy Fredericks. 243 00:14:50,324 --> 00:14:53,153 [Chang]: Kennedy was hoping to get good grades, 244 00:14:53,153 --> 00:14:55,111 especially in bio, 245 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:57,026 to go on to a medical degree, 246 00:14:57,026 --> 00:15:00,638 and this thing was really devastating to him. 247 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:05,600 My father was definitely involved from the beginning 248 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,951 when they accused this professor of racism. 249 00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,649 I grew up with the Sir George Affair 250 00:15:11,649 --> 00:15:13,477 being just a part of my narrative, 251 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:16,480 and I was just always aware of it. 252 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,569 Any time somebody would repeat to me the story, 253 00:15:18,569 --> 00:15:20,049 they would say, "Oh, 254 00:15:20,049 --> 00:15:21,398 and they wanted to charge him with everything, 255 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:23,923 kidnapping, and all these things," 256 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,579 but nobody actually went into detail why kidnapping. 257 00:15:28,579 --> 00:15:30,364 [Bayne]: What I remember specifically, 258 00:15:30,364 --> 00:15:32,366 is that they were fed up, 259 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:34,803 and so that Kennedy and these other guys 260 00:15:34,803 --> 00:15:38,241 decided they would go to the director's office, 261 00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:40,548 which was an acting director at the time, O'Brien, 262 00:15:40,548 --> 00:15:44,247 and demand... literally, that's the language they used. 263 00:15:44,247 --> 00:15:46,728 "These are our demands. We are demanding this. 264 00:15:46,728 --> 00:15:48,251 We are not leaving here 265 00:15:48,251 --> 00:15:51,167 until we get answers to this question." 266 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:52,690 [locking door] 267 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:55,955 And they did not allow him to leave, 268 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:57,782 or he felt that he couldn't. 269 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:03,527 If you are told 270 00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:06,443 for all your life 271 00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:09,316 that blacks are violent... 272 00:16:11,231 --> 00:16:13,973 And then five blacks stand up in your office 273 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,714 and say, "Either you answer me, 274 00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:18,847 or else you're not leaving here..." 275 00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:22,764 how are the neurons in your brain 276 00:16:22,764 --> 00:16:25,332 connected to interpret that? 277 00:16:25,332 --> 00:16:26,550 [crash] 278 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:34,123 The manner of West Indians is somewhat more expansive 279 00:16:34,123 --> 00:16:35,733 than our own. 280 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:39,128 They tend to speak with large gestures. 281 00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:42,653 They tend to laugh... 282 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:44,699 immoderately, perhaps. 283 00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:47,702 The language is very picturesque, 284 00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:50,096 choice, frequently obscene, 285 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:51,575 but nowadays, of course, 286 00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:54,709 since nobody seems to object to that kind of language, 287 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,711 no one took it all that seriously, 288 00:16:56,711 --> 00:16:57,886 and we were assured, therefore, 289 00:16:57,886 --> 00:16:59,627 that it would be wrong on our part, 290 00:16:59,627 --> 00:17:01,368 it would be overreacting 291 00:17:01,368 --> 00:17:03,979 if we took what the students were saying 292 00:17:03,979 --> 00:17:05,676 at its face value. 293 00:17:20,387 --> 00:17:23,607 [John]: As a human being, you were devalued... 294 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:27,176 and devalued in a manner 295 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:30,136 that did not give you many, if any, opportunities 296 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:32,529 to redress it. 297 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:35,576 That somewhere along the line, they... 298 00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:38,535 the implicit assumptions of slavery 299 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,711 had become institutionalized. 300 00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:46,587 You were supposed to be voiceless. 301 00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:49,111 You were supposed to simply accept 302 00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:50,460 whatever was dished out to you 303 00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:55,248 simply because it was decreed...by. 304 00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:57,337 At some point, it becomes very difficult to sit back 305 00:17:57,337 --> 00:17:58,381 and to accept that. 306 00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:04,561 It is said that if you are white, you are right. 307 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:08,565 If you are brown, stand down, and if you are black, get back. 308 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:11,394 Is this the general feeling of the Sir George students now? 309 00:18:11,394 --> 00:18:13,483 [students]: No! 310 00:18:13,483 --> 00:18:14,832 Well, when I came in the school this morning, 311 00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:17,096 when I came into Sir George as a past Georgian, 312 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:20,099 I was most surprised and shook up. 313 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,013 I never thought that at any time, 314 00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:25,060 I would see a display of bigotry 315 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:28,411 as what took place at the cafeteria yesterday. 316 00:18:28,411 --> 00:18:30,065 "Niggers go home!" 317 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:34,113 That was the sign that was, um, 318 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:36,463 posted at the cafeteria yesterday. 319 00:18:36,463 --> 00:18:38,682 What is significant about the sign 320 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:40,771 is that only last week in your parliament, 321 00:18:40,771 --> 00:18:42,817 in your just society, 322 00:18:42,817 --> 00:18:44,514 one member of parliament got up 323 00:18:44,514 --> 00:18:46,995 and said something pretty... pretty similar to that. 324 00:18:46,995 --> 00:18:48,388 He was saying 325 00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:49,345 that they should send the Caribbean students 326 00:18:49,345 --> 00:18:50,216 back home. 327 00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:13,848 [John]: In a sense, we were all our brother's keepers 328 00:19:13,848 --> 00:19:15,066 at that time, 329 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:18,722 and so all of these were simply opportunities 330 00:19:18,722 --> 00:19:20,115 to show solidarity 331 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:24,163 with people who suffered from, um, 332 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,165 similar constraints 333 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:30,604 by a system that would determine 334 00:19:30,604 --> 00:19:33,172 true power... 335 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:34,651 class... 336 00:19:34,651 --> 00:19:36,523 opportunity. 337 00:19:57,152 --> 00:19:59,502 I was self-righteous, of course, 338 00:19:59,502 --> 00:20:03,376 because I'd been, you know, dissed in a very negative way, 339 00:20:03,376 --> 00:20:06,466 in an anti-Semitic way, 340 00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:08,946 and so, the cop was, you know, and I just... 341 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:10,383 Here I am, 342 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:12,036 this 12-year-old little guy and this big, tall cop, 343 00:20:12,036 --> 00:20:13,690 and he's trying to get us to move on, 344 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:14,778 and I'm saying, 345 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:15,997 "Well, no, I'm not going anywhere 346 00:20:15,997 --> 00:20:18,478 until you arrest that guy," 347 00:20:18,478 --> 00:20:19,957 you know, "because he called me a dirty Jew," 348 00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:21,437 you know? 349 00:20:21,437 --> 00:20:23,352 Cop looks at me like I'm crazy, 350 00:20:23,352 --> 00:20:26,573 and so he's trying to scare me into just moving on. 351 00:20:26,573 --> 00:20:28,662 So he opens, swings open the back door, 352 00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:29,750 and he says, "Do you want to get in, 353 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:30,838 have me take you to the police station?" 354 00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,927 I said, "Yeah!" 355 00:20:32,927 --> 00:20:35,451 So he took me to the police station 356 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:37,627 and made me sit there for a couple of hours, 357 00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:39,325 then called my father. 358 00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:41,675 This is Sunday. My father's not a happy camper. 359 00:20:41,675 --> 00:20:45,200 He shows up, and then they're all telling my father 360 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,767 about how I'm rude 361 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:48,464 and I was disrespectful of a police officer 362 00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:49,639 and on and on, 363 00:20:49,639 --> 00:20:51,162 and I'm trying to say something, you know, 364 00:20:51,162 --> 00:20:52,555 like, tell my father what happened, 365 00:20:52,555 --> 00:20:53,948 and everybody's saying, "No, shut up! Shut up!" 366 00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:55,732 My father is telling me to keep quiet. 367 00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:57,299 Anyways, so at the end of it, 368 00:20:57,299 --> 00:21:00,259 they're going to set a date for juvenile court, 369 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,738 and this whole thing's going on, 370 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,218 and then we leave, 371 00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,915 and we're walking out the door, 372 00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:06,395 and we're walking down the street towards home, 373 00:21:06,395 --> 00:21:08,789 and my, you know, and I said to my father, 374 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:11,182 "Well, Dad, you didn't let me speak," you know? 375 00:21:11,182 --> 00:21:12,967 "I mean, the man who yelled at us 376 00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:15,099 called me a dirty Jew." 377 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:22,106 My father's face just blanched. 378 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:25,284 He turned around, grabbed my hand, 379 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:29,462 walked me back into that police station, 380 00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:32,421 walked up to the desk sergeant, and said, 381 00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:35,990 "I want the name of the person who called in the complaint." 382 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,731 And they said, "Well, we don't have it." 383 00:21:37,731 --> 00:21:39,820 He said, "Aren't you supposed to take the name 384 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:42,388 of anybody who makes a complaint? 385 00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,738 Because that gentleman made an anti-Semitic comment 386 00:21:44,738 --> 00:21:46,130 to my son, 387 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:48,132 and I want it dealt with." 388 00:21:48,132 --> 00:21:49,395 Well, the long and the short of it 389 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:50,831 was they became very apologetic, 390 00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:53,050 very, you know, the whole thing changed. 391 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,966 Forget about juvenile court, forget about this, let's just, 392 00:21:55,966 --> 00:21:57,620 you know, I'm sorry, it was a mistake. 393 00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:02,233 It's all over, and we went home. 394 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,801 And... I mean, that may have been the reason 395 00:22:04,801 --> 00:22:06,499 I participated in Sir George, 396 00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,806 because subsequent to that, my dad never said a thing to me, 397 00:22:09,806 --> 00:22:14,245 but my mother told me later how proud he was... 398 00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:20,643 that I'd stood up. 399 00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:29,522 I knew nothing about the incident 400 00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:32,263 until a day in January, 401 00:22:32,263 --> 00:22:35,397 when there was this large meeting 402 00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:36,746 in the big auditorium on the main floor. 403 00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:39,749 [man]: As far back as 10 months ago, 404 00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:41,751 some black students had laid some charges of racism 405 00:22:41,751 --> 00:22:45,320 against a Sir George Williams professor, 406 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,889 and during the whole period of 10 months, 407 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:52,501 the administration here seems to have managed 408 00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:56,244 to not do one single constructive thing 409 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:58,942 about those charges. 410 00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:01,031 I am disappointed in the fact 411 00:23:01,031 --> 00:23:03,991 that a university administration 412 00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:08,474 is incapable of dealing 413 00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:12,042 with such a minor, basic issue. 414 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,871 Essentially, what happened is the students questioned 415 00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:17,178 the composition of the committee. 416 00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:20,616 The six of us who were central to this 417 00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:22,966 were not, um, 418 00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:24,968 taken into account 419 00:23:24,968 --> 00:23:28,755 when two replacements were made 420 00:23:28,755 --> 00:23:32,454 to the two black professors. 421 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:33,803 [reporter]: The black students have said 422 00:23:33,803 --> 00:23:35,588 that the new committee is unacceptable to them. 423 00:23:35,588 --> 00:23:38,199 Were they not consulted at the time it was formed? 424 00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:40,810 A breakdown in communications had occurred. 425 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:43,030 I believe that attempts were made 426 00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:44,640 to get in touch with the black students. 427 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,337 This seems to have come to naught. 428 00:23:46,337 --> 00:23:47,730 I don't know whose responsibility it is here. 429 00:23:49,732 --> 00:23:51,821 [Bayne]: There was a certain degree of anxiety. 430 00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:56,435 I had removed myself from the process 431 00:23:56,435 --> 00:24:00,917 because I felt in some sense that I was compromised. 432 00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:08,272 It was originally agreed 433 00:24:08,272 --> 00:24:09,796 that a committee should be agreeable 434 00:24:09,796 --> 00:24:12,189 to both the black students and Anderson. 435 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:15,279 So since one of the agreements has not been made, 436 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,152 therefore, as far as anybody who's on the side of justice 437 00:24:18,152 --> 00:24:19,849 is concerned, 438 00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:21,938 this hearing and this committee is totally invalid. 439 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,638 My recollection is the committee then adjourned 440 00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:28,118 for a short period of time, 441 00:24:28,118 --> 00:24:31,382 went out of the room, 442 00:24:31,382 --> 00:24:33,602 had a conversation, came back into the room 443 00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:35,822 and said something to the effect of, 444 00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:37,301 "Well, we've decided we're impartial, 445 00:24:37,301 --> 00:24:38,738 and we're going to continue." 446 00:24:38,738 --> 00:24:42,698 [Lyon]: My main concern was that the hearing go ahead 447 00:24:42,698 --> 00:24:44,961 and that Perry have the chance to clear himself. 448 00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:50,184 I got the impression that Perry was vulnerable. 449 00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:52,621 My job was to protect his interests 450 00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:56,059 because the university administration and their lawyers 451 00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:58,758 would obviously consider first 452 00:24:58,758 --> 00:25:01,282 their obligations to the institution. 453 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,284 [Bayne]: Everyone, 454 00:25:03,284 --> 00:25:05,025 from his or her own particular perspective, 455 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:06,461 was chasing 456 00:25:06,461 --> 00:25:08,768 or trying to get a situation set up 457 00:25:08,768 --> 00:25:12,815 that they felt were just, in which justice was done, 458 00:25:12,815 --> 00:25:15,252 justice was done from their perspective. 459 00:25:15,252 --> 00:25:17,167 There's no one here 460 00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:18,691 who is more concerned about this issue 461 00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:19,735 than myself. 462 00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:20,736 [man]: And so am I! 463 00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:23,130 As a matter of fact, 464 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:26,176 we are not only taking on an individual member of faculty, 465 00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:28,657 but also the administration... 466 00:25:28,657 --> 00:25:32,922 So, when we were holding Anderson accountable, 467 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:34,750 in a sense, we were challenging 468 00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:37,884 the entire structure of that department, 469 00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:39,189 and there was no way in hell 470 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,061 that they were going to accept that. 471 00:25:41,061 --> 00:25:44,891 [Adamson]: I said that under these conditions, 472 00:25:44,891 --> 00:25:47,720 I would answer no questions. 473 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,983 I just have one more thing to say, however. 474 00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,333 My present condition 475 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:55,162 is that I think I can sit here for about four hours, 476 00:25:55,162 --> 00:25:58,557 but I have a relatively weak bladder, 477 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,820 and I cannot answer for the consequences after that. 478 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,736 [laughing, applause] 479 00:26:03,736 --> 00:26:05,085 [Hubsher]: The university was acting 480 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:09,524 in an inappropriate, unjust manner, 481 00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:12,788 and really was not giving the due that was necessary. 482 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:17,401 Kennedy Fredericks just got up and exploded 483 00:26:17,401 --> 00:26:19,969 because we were going nowhere. 484 00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:23,843 Will all black people come down to the front? 485 00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:25,845 Down to the front! 486 00:26:25,845 --> 00:26:27,977 [jeering, yelling] 487 00:26:27,977 --> 00:26:30,893 All those that are interested in justice, 488 00:26:30,893 --> 00:26:32,678 come on down! 489 00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:34,767 Come on down! 490 00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,507 [Adamson]: Uh, Mr. Lyon... 491 00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:37,639 Mr. Chairman... 492 00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:39,206 Would you... 493 00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:43,819 I...I would like to allow the audience to this hearing 494 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:48,302 to calm itself down, 495 00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:49,651 and when it has, 496 00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:53,002 I'm very anxious to hear your remarks. 497 00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:55,309 At some point, Perry's sister... 498 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:58,355 she was calling to him, sounding quite alarmed, 499 00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,357 to get out, 500 00:27:00,357 --> 00:27:03,143 and so, I ushered Perry to the exit 501 00:27:03,143 --> 00:27:07,060 and told him he might as well leave. 502 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,279 [Hubsher]: I have no idea 503 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,108 whether Professor Anderson was a racist or not 504 00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:14,545 or whether he discriminated against those students or not. 505 00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:15,851 We never got there. 506 00:27:15,851 --> 00:27:19,028 [Fredericks]: Those people who support our demands, 507 00:27:19,028 --> 00:27:21,422 namely, one, 508 00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:24,773 that the administration publicly declare this committee illegal, 509 00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:27,080 two, that the administration meet immediately 510 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,342 with us and Anderson 511 00:27:28,342 --> 00:27:29,648 and set up a new committee. 512 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,562 Three, that the administration 513 00:27:31,562 --> 00:27:35,131 drop criminal charges against three black students. 514 00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:36,655 If you agree with those demands, 515 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:39,527 we ask you to come with us right now. 516 00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:42,399 Are you prepared to stand up for your rights? 517 00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:44,140 Yes! 518 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:45,838 Are you prepared to stand for your rights? 519 00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,274 Yes! 520 00:27:47,274 --> 00:27:49,058 Are you going to let the administration 521 00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:50,538 push you around? 522 00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,235 No! 523 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,236 Or do you intend to go to the end? 524 00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,324 Yes! 525 00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:56,152 Right to the bitter end? 526 00:27:56,152 --> 00:27:58,024 Yes! 527 00:27:58,024 --> 00:27:59,895 [Hubsher]: The outcome of that meeting, 528 00:27:59,895 --> 00:28:02,332 which made many people very unhappy, 529 00:28:02,332 --> 00:28:04,204 led to the occupation of the computer centre. 530 00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:05,945 [Fredericks]: We are on the ninth floor 531 00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:07,729 in the computer centre, 532 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:09,035 and that's the only room 533 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,514 the meeting is going to be continued. 534 00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:12,865 So, everybody, let's get upstairs. 535 00:28:12,865 --> 00:28:14,562 Let's take a stand now! 536 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,129 Let's go! 537 00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:18,261 Everybody that believes in justice, take a stand. 538 00:28:18,261 --> 00:28:19,959 Don't sit on your asses anymore. 539 00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,612 Move up there and take a stand. 540 00:28:21,612 --> 00:28:23,440 It's about time the white people on this campus 541 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,268 took a stand one way or the other. 542 00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:26,748 So let's take your stand now. 543 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,968 Up that escalator, follow that man, and go! 544 00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:31,100 [Fredericks]: If you whites can sit back 545 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,148 and have people like O'Brien run you to hell crazy, 546 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:36,584 that's your privilege. 547 00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:37,454 You're punks. 548 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,815 [Indongo]: Way before Mommy was born, 549 00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:51,686 um, 550 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:54,471 your grandfather... 551 00:28:54,471 --> 00:28:58,693 took some very huge risks, um... 552 00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:03,089 for... for a just cause. 553 00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:06,092 I didn't really grow up with my dad 554 00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:11,010 because of how his life panned out after that incident. 555 00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:14,100 I feel like I was maybe six or seven, 556 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:18,278 and I think 557 00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:21,368 some of my aunts and uncles 558 00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:23,109 took it on themselves 559 00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:26,199 to really tell me about my father. 560 00:29:26,199 --> 00:29:28,157 I grew up with this image 561 00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:31,857 of this, this amazing, militant activist type 562 00:29:31,857 --> 00:29:34,860 who was really smart and courageous. 563 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:36,775 Sometimes I really feel 564 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:40,169 that my parents' story kind of is stuck on my back. 565 00:29:40,169 --> 00:29:41,954 [jamming] 566 00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:48,482 Viens pour repeter. 567 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,920 Yeah. All right. Awesome. 568 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,661 So we're going to run through it. 569 00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:56,969 I guess I kind of naturally exude that same type of energy 570 00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:58,622 that my father put out there at the time 571 00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:01,016 when he was sort of fighting for... 572 00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,540 fighting for justice. 573 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:09,068 ♪ We forward in this generation ♪ 574 00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:12,985 ♪ Triumphantly 575 00:30:12,985 --> 00:30:15,683 ♪ Won't you help to sing 576 00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:18,599 My greatest fear is not effecting change 577 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,777 and not being able to feel that, okay, 578 00:30:22,777 --> 00:30:27,608 I contributed to something in...in a large way. 579 00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:29,653 ♪ Redemption song 580 00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:32,134 ♪ Redemption song 581 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:38,619 [Cools]: The '60s were a powerful period, 582 00:30:38,619 --> 00:30:40,664 and for many young people, including myself... 583 00:30:42,579 --> 00:30:45,626 a disruptive one. 584 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:51,110 It took me a long time to...to recover from that era. 585 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:53,852 It was powerful because it touched so many people. 586 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,419 How is it and how could it be 587 00:30:56,419 --> 00:31:01,294 that an entire generation was prepared to make sacrifices 588 00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:04,558 and to conceive of a notion that something had to change 589 00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:07,866 because the air was ripe with change. 590 00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:13,567 [Valerie Belgrave]: These are euphoric sort of occasions, 591 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,874 when you have people coming together for a cause, 592 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,267 and they're all optimistic, 593 00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:21,444 and they're all supporting what we think is a just cause, 594 00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:25,144 and so it definitely was a great atmosphere. 595 00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:29,452 There was a great sense of camaraderie, 596 00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:32,325 and when the occupation took place, 597 00:31:32,325 --> 00:31:36,024 we went in order to make sure that it didn't go bad. 598 00:31:36,024 --> 00:31:39,419 Obviously, we wanted the matter to be settled, 599 00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:44,032 and that was the, um, intention, that was the aim, you know? 600 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,251 That was what we expected. 601 00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:48,210 Let's take a look at the action 602 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:51,561 at Sir George Williams University tonight right now. 603 00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,563 As we talk, some 200 students 604 00:31:53,563 --> 00:31:55,826 are still occupying the computer centre there. 605 00:31:55,826 --> 00:31:58,612 They've tried to keep the place clean. 606 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,614 There's been no vandalism. 607 00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,877 As the sit-in ends its fourth day, 608 00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:05,401 matters are still at an impasse, 609 00:32:05,401 --> 00:32:08,622 and the administration is considering its next move. 610 00:32:08,622 --> 00:32:10,450 [man]: It seems clear now 611 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:12,974 that this is not a black and white issue. 612 00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,281 The administration are not doing anything 613 00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,238 because they don't have to. 614 00:32:16,238 --> 00:32:18,458 [applause] 615 00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:22,766 It seemed to this 21-year-old deluded person 616 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,029 that I was at that time, 617 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,378 affected by everything, 618 00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:28,468 that really, you know, 619 00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:31,123 that an armed insurgence was about the only way 620 00:32:31,123 --> 00:32:32,733 things were going to change. 621 00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:33,821 What I've got to say is very personal, 622 00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,475 but it affects every one of you. 623 00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:36,824 You hear... 624 00:32:36,824 --> 00:32:37,694 There have been people that have stood up here 625 00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:38,826 and have called you a racist. 626 00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:40,175 Now, I'm going to call you a racist, 627 00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:41,263 and I'm going to call you a racist 628 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:42,482 for a very good reason... 629 00:32:42,482 --> 00:32:43,874 because I was a racist! 630 00:32:43,874 --> 00:32:45,180 Because, yeah, sure, 631 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,486 I knew about the oppression of the blacks, 632 00:32:46,486 --> 00:32:48,140 but I'd never done anything. 633 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,881 As long as I haven't done anything, I'm a racist, 634 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:51,839 and as long as you don't do anything, 635 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:52,709 you're a racist. 636 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,852 [Marvin Coleby]: Back in the '60s, 637 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:06,245 it was more acceptable, at least easy, 638 00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:09,291 to talk about race, 639 00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,554 just because, you know, explicit racism still existed 640 00:33:11,554 --> 00:33:13,295 in a way that it doesn't exist anymore. 641 00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:17,691 So I suppose, 642 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,128 in that type of politically and socially charged atmosphere, 643 00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,870 race was a more acceptable topic to bring up. 644 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,786 Now, today, we have a strange situation 645 00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:27,744 where we don't have explicit racism in the same way 646 00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:29,703 as we have implicit racism today, 647 00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:33,228 which, in my opinion, is much more dangerous. 648 00:33:33,228 --> 00:33:34,795 It's a racism that we don't see. 649 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,753 It's hidden in jokes. It's hidden in institutions. 650 00:33:36,753 --> 00:33:39,191 It's hidden in government actions. 651 00:33:48,374 --> 00:33:50,028 So when I came here, and the first place I went 652 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,421 was in the countryside in Quebec, 653 00:33:52,421 --> 00:33:53,727 I was the only Caribbean person on campus. 654 00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:55,337 I was the only person of colour on campus, 655 00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:56,817 and I was shocked. 656 00:33:56,817 --> 00:33:58,645 I, like, come into this community 657 00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:00,212 and actually saying, 658 00:34:00,212 --> 00:34:02,692 "Oh, you know, like, my skin is actually a problem here. 659 00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:04,825 Like, it's actually an issue. People actually see it," 660 00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,174 as opposed to before, 661 00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:08,307 where I didn't even think of myself that way, 662 00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:09,960 and I suppose my search 663 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,092 for understanding the computer riots 664 00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,441 was influenced 665 00:34:12,441 --> 00:34:13,834 by the fact that I felt, in many ways, 666 00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:15,531 what they felt at the time 667 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:18,534 and what influenced their actions. 668 00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,106 [John]: There was a meeting 669 00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:29,806 in which discussions were being held 670 00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:33,288 as to what the next step should do in the occupation. 671 00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:43,994 And there was a gentleman there, 672 00:34:43,994 --> 00:34:46,562 a black gentleman, 673 00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:49,391 who advocated 674 00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:54,092 that maybe we should get some dynamite 675 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,702 and put it in the elevator shaft 676 00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:57,617 and blow up the university. 677 00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:01,229 It was thought 678 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:06,669 it was a little bit of an outrageous suggestion. 679 00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:08,106 I subsequently discovered, many years later, 680 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,543 that he was, um... a plant. 681 00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:17,071 But these kind of dirty tricks had been part and parcel 682 00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:19,769 of law enforcement in North America 683 00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,162 for forever, 684 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,511 so it was not unusual. 685 00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:28,387 [protestors]: We want justice! We want justice! 686 00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,737 We want justice! We want justice! 687 00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:32,913 We want justice! 688 00:35:39,267 --> 00:35:42,618 [John]: I left home 689 00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:44,794 and went down to the university 690 00:35:44,794 --> 00:35:47,275 in order to join the occupation. 691 00:35:48,929 --> 00:35:51,279 At that point, the university was closed off. 692 00:35:54,239 --> 00:36:00,462 Two police from the nearby station came. 693 00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:02,377 One took me under one arm, 694 00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:04,553 the other one took me under the other arm, 695 00:36:04,553 --> 00:36:08,296 and they marched me out of the university, 696 00:36:08,296 --> 00:36:11,212 into a squad car... 697 00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:14,998 took me down to Pointe-Saint-Charles, 698 00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:17,610 let me out, and told me 699 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:22,919 that if they saw me around the university, 700 00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,008 that I would be arrested. 701 00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,057 And it was one of the very first times 702 00:36:30,057 --> 00:36:31,537 in my life 703 00:36:31,537 --> 00:36:34,540 that I was actually afraid for my life. 704 00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:48,858 [Ballantyne]: There was a fear, I believe, 705 00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,904 on the administration's part 706 00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:55,082 that we would get violent. 707 00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:56,475 I mean, that was the egregious problem. 708 00:37:15,581 --> 00:37:16,886 [Butcher]: We have to begin, 709 00:37:16,886 --> 00:37:19,149 when we ask ourselves to define what violence is... 710 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:21,369 violence is not physical in the first place. 711 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:23,458 Violence starts from a mental state. 712 00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:26,853 [Cools]: What was their great fear? 713 00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:31,466 Because fear is a, is a strange mental state, 714 00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:35,557 and fear has a way of producing the exact thing that you fear. 715 00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:40,040 You are afraid of black people. Why? Ask yourself why. 716 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,607 Start thinking 717 00:37:41,607 --> 00:37:43,913 and start coming to some constructive conclusions. 718 00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:33,702 [Indongo]: I think if you know somebody's watching you, 719 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:35,704 and you may or may not know their intention, 720 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:39,360 you...you guard yourself more. 721 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,622 You... 722 00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:41,841 or in some cases, with some people, 723 00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:44,452 they become quite paranoid. 724 00:38:44,452 --> 00:38:47,977 But I think you definitely hold back, 725 00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:52,286 and you put on a face, right? 726 00:38:52,286 --> 00:38:58,031 It's hard to just be your natural self at all times. 727 00:38:58,031 --> 00:39:00,207 [camera clicks] 728 00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:04,167 We want justice! We want justice! 729 00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:06,213 We want justice! We want justice! 730 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,475 [Ballantyne]: We were just waiting for them 731 00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:10,348 to come and say, "Okay, we will listen to you." 732 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,481 We anticipated that this would've happened, you know? 733 00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:15,265 We didn't expect everybody in the administration 734 00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:16,832 to be racist. 735 00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:20,749 The line of the association was that in the first place, 736 00:39:20,749 --> 00:39:25,972 we were extremely happy to see that in the latest document 737 00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,714 that the black students had submitted 738 00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:30,629 to the vice-principal, 739 00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:33,545 and who had asked us, as an association, 740 00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:35,721 for our comments upon it, 741 00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:38,376 we had underlined that we were extremely happy 742 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:39,986 to see that the students were, in fact, 743 00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,205 being ready to negotiate. 744 00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,382 [Hubsher]: We were told by the lawyers 745 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,732 that an agreement had been reached. 746 00:39:46,732 --> 00:39:49,822 And the students had come to believe 747 00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:51,214 that it was all over, 748 00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:52,433 and they were going to get the demands 749 00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:54,174 that they had asked for. 750 00:39:54,174 --> 00:39:55,567 [cheering] 751 00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:58,178 [John]: And this was going to set the stage 752 00:39:58,178 --> 00:40:02,095 for the demands that we made, 753 00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:04,010 plus a hearing committee and so on and so on. 754 00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:06,142 So we were kind of confident that, you know, 755 00:40:06,142 --> 00:40:09,319 we were on our way to some small victory 756 00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:12,758 in terms of the initial issues. 757 00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:15,325 We won, 758 00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:17,893 and it was no particular political suasion 759 00:40:17,893 --> 00:40:19,373 that made us win. 760 00:40:19,373 --> 00:40:23,159 It was just that we persevered, 761 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:24,334 asked for what we wanted, 762 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,163 and we got it, 763 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:28,991 and then there was joy. 764 00:40:28,991 --> 00:40:31,124 [singing] 765 00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:34,519 [Rennie]: And many people left. 766 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,738 Many people had gone home, you know, feeling really great. 767 00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:38,000 "We won! 768 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,655 It's going to, you know, it was resolved!" 769 00:40:40,655 --> 00:40:43,136 And I actually went home that night 770 00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:45,138 to take a shower, get some sleep, 771 00:40:45,138 --> 00:40:47,575 and went back in the morning 772 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:50,317 because I wanted to be part of the cleanup crew. 773 00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:52,319 I felt... again, I felt really, 774 00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,842 and the group of us really felt strongly 775 00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:55,714 that we wanted to leave the place 776 00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:57,890 the way we found it, 777 00:40:57,890 --> 00:41:02,372 so that people understood that this was not about a party 778 00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:04,766 or just having a good time at somebody else's expense, 779 00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:07,900 but it was, it was about a principle. 780 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,643 But they were pretending they were on our side, 781 00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:14,036 and they were doing everything to help us, 782 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:15,647 when in truth, and in fact, they were not. 783 00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:22,001 [Hubsher]: The final deal was scuttled 784 00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:23,872 by the Faculty Association. 785 00:41:23,872 --> 00:41:26,919 They had reneged on the decision. 786 00:41:26,919 --> 00:41:29,182 [John]: We found out in the afternoon 787 00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:32,359 that the university union was holding it up. 788 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:35,449 And it got held up for two days, 789 00:41:35,449 --> 00:41:37,495 which then caused the students, 790 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:42,500 the more radical ones on the edges, 791 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,938 to say, "You see what we are saying? 792 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:50,769 These people are not to be trusted." 793 00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:55,208 [John]: Their position was that we had no rights 794 00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:58,037 and they had no responsibilities. 795 00:41:58,037 --> 00:41:59,168 We were tricked. 796 00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:00,474 It was not a victory. 797 00:42:16,621 --> 00:42:19,406 [Cools]: I have a suspicion 798 00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:23,279 that despair had been setting in, 799 00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:27,675 and that many people had begun to reach the conclusion 800 00:42:27,675 --> 00:42:29,547 that these highs and these lows 801 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,506 were just an effort to defeat them. 802 00:42:32,506 --> 00:42:35,814 [John]: Betrayal is probably 803 00:42:35,814 --> 00:42:39,905 a reasonably accurate representation 804 00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:43,386 of how I would've felt. 805 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:48,435 At this stage in time, 806 00:42:48,435 --> 00:42:54,833 I realize that to have expected otherwise 807 00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:57,879 was highly naive. 808 00:43:05,626 --> 00:43:10,109 [Cools]: At the heightening of expectations 809 00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:13,721 that there would be resolution, 810 00:43:13,721 --> 00:43:17,551 and then the terrible letdown or descent 811 00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,858 that everybody went through in disappointment, 812 00:43:19,858 --> 00:43:24,340 one can expect that a few tempers will flare. 813 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,254 [Ballantyne]: The students, they said, 814 00:43:25,254 --> 00:43:28,475 "To hell with it, let's go for broke." 815 00:43:28,475 --> 00:43:31,913 They immediately blocked the campus 816 00:43:31,913 --> 00:43:34,568 from the seventh floor up. 817 00:43:34,568 --> 00:43:36,788 [Rennie]: And there were people marching around downstairs. 818 00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:38,093 There were two sets of people, 819 00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:43,490 some saying, "Kill them," or something to that effect, 820 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:45,971 and others protesting on our behalf. 821 00:43:45,971 --> 00:43:48,582 I got the impression that there was confrontation 822 00:43:48,582 --> 00:43:50,889 between the two forces in the streets. 823 00:43:50,889 --> 00:43:52,281 Okay, you're going to keep it up? 824 00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:53,718 The demonstration? That's right. 825 00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:54,893 Until what time? 826 00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:56,808 Until our brothers come out. 827 00:43:56,808 --> 00:44:00,333 [John]: I was outside of the university, 828 00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:04,511 and it was the first time that I understood 829 00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:07,862 what it was like as a black to face a white mob, 830 00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:11,387 where your life was in the balance, 831 00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:14,608 and between the mob and a group of us 832 00:44:14,608 --> 00:44:16,828 was a line of blue police. 833 00:44:16,828 --> 00:44:20,266 All the talks were off, so anger, 834 00:44:20,266 --> 00:44:24,487 and this student just tossed this thing out. 835 00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:26,098 [Ballantyne]: All the pent-up emotion 836 00:44:26,098 --> 00:44:28,100 just exploded. 837 00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,580 The computer cards were thrown out of the window. 838 00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:31,712 Windows were broken. 839 00:44:31,712 --> 00:44:34,193 And then, all the work we had 840 00:44:34,193 --> 00:44:35,542 for the last couple of weeks 841 00:44:35,542 --> 00:44:38,066 of monitoring and keeping these computers 842 00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,068 in pristine condition, 843 00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:42,941 now you see these cards fluttering out the window, 844 00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:44,377 like... 845 00:44:44,377 --> 00:44:45,770 it ticked me off. 846 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:46,858 [Hubsher]: What I think it was, 847 00:44:46,858 --> 00:44:50,688 was a desperate attempt on the part of us 848 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:52,690 to garner attention 849 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,387 because there were lots of people 850 00:44:54,387 --> 00:44:55,475 on the street, 851 00:44:55,475 --> 00:44:58,391 around the building, 852 00:44:58,391 --> 00:45:01,742 but we really felt from what we were hearing, 853 00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:04,049 that they were not paying attention to us. 854 00:45:04,049 --> 00:45:06,834 [Bayne]: These computer cards 855 00:45:06,834 --> 00:45:11,056 and ribbons falling like snow out of heaven, 856 00:45:11,056 --> 00:45:12,318 it looked like the brains of society 857 00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:15,756 scattered in the wind or something like that. 858 00:45:20,848 --> 00:45:23,068 At somewhere along the line, 859 00:45:23,068 --> 00:45:25,026 the issue stopped being Anderson. 860 00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:27,333 Everybody forgot Anderson. 861 00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:29,509 He was like a person just floating around somewhere. 862 00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:31,685 It was something floating around, 863 00:45:31,685 --> 00:45:33,208 but it wasn't really about him. 864 00:45:45,046 --> 00:45:47,788 It was an act of civil disobedience, 865 00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:50,182 and there was no plan to do it. 866 00:45:50,182 --> 00:45:53,881 I suppose in my heart, I figured we'd occupy it, 867 00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:55,404 and two days later, it'd all be resolved, 868 00:45:55,404 --> 00:45:57,842 and everybody would be happy, and we'd be singing "Kumbaya." 869 00:45:57,842 --> 00:45:59,713 Um... 870 00:45:59,713 --> 00:46:00,888 not exactly what happened. 871 00:46:00,888 --> 00:46:02,020 [sirens wail] 872 00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,546 [reporter]: The computer centre 873 00:46:06,546 --> 00:46:09,636 is a very delicate and important part of the institution now. 874 00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:10,898 Um... 875 00:46:12,117 --> 00:46:14,380 Will the police be called in to...? 876 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:16,338 I don't know. 877 00:46:16,338 --> 00:46:18,688 I have no idea along these lines, 878 00:46:18,688 --> 00:46:21,169 but I do know that Vice-Principal O'Brien 879 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:22,518 does feel 880 00:46:22,518 --> 00:46:24,129 that men are more important than machines, 881 00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:26,131 and that the computer has not come 882 00:46:26,131 --> 00:46:28,133 to dominate this university. 883 00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:37,272 The university made a decision 884 00:46:37,272 --> 00:46:39,579 to put an end to the occupation, 885 00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:42,669 to ask the Montreal Police to intervene, 886 00:46:42,669 --> 00:46:47,413 and I was asked to accompany the riot squad 887 00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:49,807 as an observer and a witness. 888 00:46:53,723 --> 00:46:55,290 [Ballantyne]: It is a special squad. 889 00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:56,552 Those people are at least seven feet, 890 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,425 and they trample in, you know, 891 00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,166 like a stampede. 892 00:47:04,256 --> 00:47:06,954 They came charging in. 893 00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,130 [Cools]: Next thing you know, you're being attacked by police. 894 00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:11,437 [Bayne]: So at that point, 895 00:47:11,437 --> 00:47:13,352 a group of students started using the fire hoses 896 00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:16,355 on the police. 897 00:47:16,355 --> 00:47:18,487 The first time I saw a police officer 898 00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:21,142 through that little window... 899 00:47:21,142 --> 00:47:22,578 and this has never left me... 900 00:47:22,578 --> 00:47:25,625 I never saw such terror in a man's eyes. 901 00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:28,628 I have no idea what they were told about us, 902 00:47:28,628 --> 00:47:32,762 but based on the look on that man's face, 903 00:47:32,762 --> 00:47:34,373 I truly believe 904 00:47:34,373 --> 00:47:35,983 they thought we were armed to the teeth 905 00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,246 and we were going to come out shooting. 906 00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:38,986 [yelling] 907 00:47:43,556 --> 00:47:46,428 [Mossop]: I was terrified. 908 00:47:46,428 --> 00:47:48,691 We are locked in. 909 00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,607 We can't go through the front because we'll be arrested. 910 00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:52,608 We try to get through the back, 911 00:47:52,608 --> 00:47:55,350 only to find the doors barricaded. 912 00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,615 [man yells] 913 00:47:59,615 --> 00:48:02,749 [Sheppard]: Within minutes, probably less, 914 00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:08,537 we saw very black smoke pouring out of the ducts. 915 00:48:08,537 --> 00:48:10,800 There was a door in the back there 916 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,628 that was always closed. 917 00:48:12,628 --> 00:48:14,065 We had never opened it. 918 00:48:14,065 --> 00:48:17,938 It was closed from the inside. 919 00:48:17,938 --> 00:48:19,679 [Rennie]: And when we rushed to get away 920 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,160 from the building-up of the smoke to the front... 921 00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:26,294 that door was locked from outside. 922 00:48:26,294 --> 00:48:28,644 [banging] 923 00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:30,429 So we were virtually trapped in there. 924 00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:31,691 [siren wails] 925 00:48:34,128 --> 00:48:36,826 [Sheppard]: It was like a cloud of black smoke 926 00:48:36,826 --> 00:48:38,306 like I'd never seen before, 927 00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,178 and it was ascending. 928 00:48:40,178 --> 00:48:43,224 It was coming down. 929 00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:44,878 I must say, it was quite terrifying, 930 00:48:44,878 --> 00:48:47,011 because, eventually, it fortunately stopped, 931 00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:49,927 I would say, about two feet off the ground. 932 00:48:51,232 --> 00:48:53,191 We all ended up, including the police, 933 00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:54,975 on our knees on the floor. 934 00:48:54,975 --> 00:48:56,977 [Cools]: It was so fast. 935 00:48:56,977 --> 00:48:58,283 [interviewer]: Were you guys scared? 936 00:48:58,283 --> 00:49:00,894 Very. 937 00:49:00,894 --> 00:49:02,940 [Ballantyne]: I was afraid 938 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,550 that my colleagues and friends upstairs 939 00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:09,207 were being burnt alive. 940 00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,165 [Sheppard]: One match does the trick. 941 00:49:11,165 --> 00:49:12,819 [Ballantyne]: Any one of about 20 people could've done it, 942 00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:15,039 or 50 people could've done it. 943 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,692 They were so angry. 944 00:49:16,692 --> 00:49:22,350 Just pure, primal, venal hatred. 945 00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:26,093 At what? 946 00:49:26,093 --> 00:49:28,052 At being a nigger? 947 00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:32,186 That shook me to my core, of course, 948 00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:33,883 because that means that there are people around 949 00:49:33,883 --> 00:49:39,846 who don't mind seeing other people perish. 950 00:49:39,846 --> 00:49:42,849 That hit me hard, 951 00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:47,593 and I had to come to terms with understanding 952 00:49:47,593 --> 00:49:50,378 that human beings are capable of doing all manner of things 953 00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:54,339 that I never dreamed were possible. 954 00:49:54,339 --> 00:50:02,042 All of that accompanied by the chants of a white mob 955 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:04,871 chanting, "Let the niggers burn." 956 00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:06,438 People were yelling, "Burn, nigger, burn." 957 00:50:06,438 --> 00:50:10,181 This chanting of, "Let the niggers burn..." 958 00:50:10,181 --> 00:50:12,270 you know, they wanted us to die. 959 00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:14,272 That... 960 00:50:14,272 --> 00:50:15,838 that, you don't forget. 961 00:50:15,838 --> 00:50:17,101 [yelling] 962 00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:22,280 [Sheppard]: The police apparently told the university 963 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,195 they would not go up to the ninth floor 964 00:50:24,195 --> 00:50:26,545 and dismantle the barricades 965 00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,634 and remove the students 966 00:50:28,634 --> 00:50:31,898 unless the university representatives were there 967 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:33,813 to be able to testify 968 00:50:33,813 --> 00:50:36,555 that there had been no violence, no brutality. 969 00:50:36,555 --> 00:50:39,514 Fortunately, they were able to axe the door down 970 00:50:39,514 --> 00:50:41,951 for us to get out. 971 00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:45,738 [Chang]: And that's when the riot squad went in 972 00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:48,523 and started to get the guys out. 973 00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:49,872 [yelling] 974 00:50:51,352 --> 00:50:52,571 [Mossop]: They started beating us 975 00:50:52,571 --> 00:50:54,181 as we came through the door. 976 00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:56,618 [Cools]: It was four girls, and somebody took us, 977 00:50:56,618 --> 00:50:59,360 and we were in the elevator, and we were then downstairs. 978 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,843 At the time, a policeman actually maliciously told us 979 00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:05,062 that people had been killed. 980 00:51:09,718 --> 00:51:11,633 [Hubsher]: Several students got beaten up really badly, 981 00:51:11,633 --> 00:51:14,201 and I know that 982 00:51:14,201 --> 00:51:16,334 because two of them were put into my paddy wagon, 983 00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:20,425 and they were a mess. 984 00:51:20,425 --> 00:51:22,731 They'd been severely beaten, 985 00:51:22,731 --> 00:51:26,083 and I knew both of these guys, and they were not aggressive. 986 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,041 They were... 987 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:35,744 [Ford]: I grew up in Trinidad. 988 00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:37,703 I was a very humble person. 989 00:51:37,703 --> 00:51:40,227 I was in the Scouts. 990 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:43,448 In the Scouts, we serve people. 991 00:51:43,448 --> 00:51:45,537 We work with the elderly. 992 00:51:45,537 --> 00:51:47,147 We work with children. 993 00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:48,627 [crowds yell] 994 00:51:48,627 --> 00:51:49,889 I remember some specific things. 995 00:51:49,889 --> 00:51:53,371 I was, you know, like, cuffed in the nose, 996 00:51:53,371 --> 00:51:55,242 a punch, or... 997 00:51:55,242 --> 00:52:00,900 but I more remember the other people who got beaten up. 998 00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:02,597 Your hand could be bleeding, 999 00:52:02,597 --> 00:52:04,556 but you aren't thinking about your injury, you know, 1000 00:52:04,556 --> 00:52:06,253 but you want to make sure everybody is... 1001 00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:07,211 it's okay. 1002 00:52:16,394 --> 00:52:18,004 Everybody who was inside that centre at that time 1003 00:52:18,004 --> 00:52:21,138 on that particular floor was, was arrested. 1004 00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:41,549 [fire crackles] 1005 00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:02,657 [Fredericks]: Originally we had planned 1006 00:53:02,657 --> 00:53:05,225 to go down to O'Brien's office, 1007 00:53:05,225 --> 00:53:07,227 but it's too small! 1008 00:53:07,227 --> 00:53:09,795 [audio slows] 1009 00:53:18,717 --> 00:53:20,284 He... 1010 00:53:28,030 --> 00:53:31,860 Kennedy was bright. 1011 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:34,036 Vibrant. 1012 00:53:34,036 --> 00:53:36,038 Um... 1013 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:41,740 He probably was... well... 1014 00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:45,526 he was very bright. 1015 00:53:45,526 --> 00:53:50,966 But... he lost faith. 1016 00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:53,534 You see, Kennedy... 1017 00:53:53,534 --> 00:53:56,145 my memory of Kennedy 1018 00:53:56,145 --> 00:54:01,150 was that he was a believer in the principles 1019 00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:06,547 that the university was supposed to have established, 1020 00:54:06,547 --> 00:54:12,292 and that the reality of what he had to confront with 1021 00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:13,511 was too much for him. 1022 00:54:13,511 --> 00:54:18,037 Ah, I... I know that he went off to Tanzania. 1023 00:54:18,037 --> 00:54:20,605 Well, he went off to Tanzania with our blessings 1024 00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:21,954 and with all our money, 1025 00:54:21,954 --> 00:54:24,783 because we had paid, put up the bail, 1026 00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:27,176 all of us had put together for the bail, 1027 00:54:27,176 --> 00:54:30,528 and we knew they wanted to hang him and crucify him 1028 00:54:30,528 --> 00:54:32,399 in Canada, in Montreal, 1029 00:54:32,399 --> 00:54:34,967 so everybody told him, "Run!" 1030 00:54:39,493 --> 00:54:41,321 [Ford]: I mean, I really had to reach out for him 1031 00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:45,499 because he, he felt a lot of pain, 1032 00:54:45,499 --> 00:54:47,806 the disappointment and the disillusionment, 1033 00:54:47,806 --> 00:54:50,678 and, you know, I'm, I'm... 1034 00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:53,507 It really hurts me, you know, to see where... 1035 00:54:53,507 --> 00:54:54,639 where he had reached, 1036 00:54:54,639 --> 00:55:00,906 and not to enjoy... life to the fullest. 1037 00:55:00,906 --> 00:55:02,821 When this issue 1038 00:55:02,821 --> 00:55:05,258 has been causing mental strain and physical... 1039 00:55:05,258 --> 00:55:07,216 and physical breakdown to students, 1040 00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:09,088 then one begins to wonder 1041 00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:12,352 as to the right of the existence of such a university. 1042 00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:14,093 [Indongo]: My father has just gone through 1043 00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:17,531 serious bouts of mental health issues 1044 00:55:17,531 --> 00:55:20,186 since the whole Sir George incident. 1045 00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:24,016 And it's been really difficult for him 1046 00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:27,193 to kind of, to continue his life 1047 00:55:27,193 --> 00:55:30,762 without having those kinds of demons 1048 00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:31,632 sort of chasing him. 1049 00:56:00,095 --> 00:56:01,401 [Murray]: Of course, when all the other students 1050 00:56:01,401 --> 00:56:06,624 were being discharged and released from prison, 1051 00:56:06,624 --> 00:56:09,235 the only ones left were the black students. 1052 00:56:09,235 --> 00:56:10,715 1:00 in the morning, 1053 00:56:10,715 --> 00:56:12,543 they came and took me out of my cell 1054 00:56:12,543 --> 00:56:16,590 and sat me down with the police, you know, real movie-style 1055 00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:18,723 under a little light and the whole bit. 1056 00:56:18,723 --> 00:56:20,377 He's lighting a cigarette, 1057 00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:21,856 and he's bringing it closer and closer to my face, 1058 00:56:21,856 --> 00:56:22,640 and he eventually burned me. 1059 00:56:25,033 --> 00:56:27,296 [reporter]: You think it's still possible to negotiate, 1060 00:56:27,296 --> 00:56:28,863 or is the day of talk over? 1061 00:56:28,863 --> 00:56:31,126 Well, I suppose if we negotiate now, 1062 00:56:31,126 --> 00:56:33,694 it'd be across bars. 1063 00:56:39,613 --> 00:56:43,008 [Cools]: Taking part in a sit-in is not wrong. 1064 00:56:43,008 --> 00:56:45,880 It is not even really illegal. 1065 00:56:46,968 --> 00:56:48,883 [door slams] 1066 00:56:48,883 --> 00:56:51,538 I would've thought to plead guilty 1067 00:56:51,538 --> 00:56:53,540 to something that I thought I was not guilty of 1068 00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:57,326 to be unprincipled at that time. 1069 00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:15,083 [John]: Rosie was a larger-than-life character. 1070 00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:16,868 He was very brilliant. 1071 00:57:16,868 --> 00:57:18,870 I don't think he was at Sir George at the time. 1072 00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:20,524 I think he was at McGill, 1073 00:57:20,524 --> 00:57:24,658 but he supported us thoroughly. 1074 00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:28,009 You displayed it right here that this institution is racist, 1075 00:57:28,009 --> 00:57:30,577 and in the house institution of decision-making here, 1076 00:57:30,577 --> 00:57:32,405 your parliament displayed it. 1077 00:57:32,405 --> 00:57:33,798 [reporter]: Roosevelt Douglas, 1078 00:57:33,798 --> 00:57:35,016 who was involved in the black students' movement, 1079 00:57:35,016 --> 00:57:38,542 gained national publicity for his part in the sit-in. 1080 00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,413 Since his release from jail last year, 1081 00:57:40,413 --> 00:57:42,415 he's made a full-time career 1082 00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:45,374 as a militant Black Power advocate. 1083 00:57:45,374 --> 00:57:47,464 I am a fighter for liberation 1084 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:50,031 and one who believes that my country has the capacity 1085 00:57:50,031 --> 00:57:53,687 to produce and provide all our people 1086 00:57:53,687 --> 00:57:54,949 with a decent standard of living, 1087 00:57:54,949 --> 00:57:56,168 and to do that, 1088 00:57:56,168 --> 00:57:57,256 there have to be certain basic structural changes. 1089 00:57:57,256 --> 00:57:59,519 I think Rosie Douglas was the only one 1090 00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:02,391 who persisted in trying to stretch out 1091 00:58:02,391 --> 00:58:05,046 the political mileage of that whole thing. 1092 00:58:05,046 --> 00:58:06,308 [man]: They say Rosie Douglas 1093 00:58:06,308 --> 00:58:08,746 is a threat to national security. 1094 00:58:08,746 --> 00:58:10,051 [Murray]: His whole life, 1095 00:58:10,051 --> 00:58:11,313 he felt he was under surveillance. 1096 00:58:11,313 --> 00:58:14,186 [John]: Was it a reality that we were infiltrated? 1097 00:58:14,186 --> 00:58:16,057 Yes, that much was proven. 1098 00:58:16,057 --> 00:58:17,711 Was it a reality 1099 00:58:17,711 --> 00:58:22,150 that so-called leaders were under surveillance? 1100 00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:24,979 Yes, that was confirmed. 1101 00:58:24,979 --> 00:58:26,590 There was some dramatic testimony today 1102 00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:29,244 before the McDonald Commission into the RCMP. 1103 00:58:29,244 --> 00:58:31,769 It came from an American named Warren Heart, 1104 00:58:31,769 --> 00:58:33,466 who says that for four years, 1105 00:58:33,466 --> 00:58:36,121 he worked as an agent in Canada and other countries. 1106 00:58:36,121 --> 00:58:38,297 [reporter]: His job was to infiltrate radical groups 1107 00:58:38,297 --> 00:58:40,386 like the Black Panthers. 1108 00:58:40,386 --> 00:58:44,172 Roosevelt "Rosie" Douglas was to be Heart's chief target. 1109 00:58:44,172 --> 00:58:46,044 Today, Heart testified 1110 00:58:46,044 --> 00:58:47,654 that he'd been told to break the law 1111 00:58:47,654 --> 00:58:49,134 to get information. 1112 00:58:49,134 --> 00:58:51,440 He opened mail, broke into buildings, 1113 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,269 and secretly taped Douglas' conversations. 1114 00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:58,143 His orders, he said, came from the Mounties directly. 1115 00:59:28,695 --> 00:59:30,436 [John]: I was born in St. Vincent. 1116 00:59:33,352 --> 00:59:36,398 From the moment that I arrived, 1117 00:59:36,398 --> 00:59:38,313 interestingly enough, 1118 00:59:38,313 --> 00:59:40,489 my thought was always, 1119 00:59:40,489 --> 00:59:44,755 "At least I will be going back home," 1120 00:59:44,755 --> 00:59:46,800 and I think this is the, 1121 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,933 this is the classic position of the immigrant. 1122 00:59:48,933 --> 00:59:52,501 The immigrant moves to a new community. 1123 00:59:52,501 --> 00:59:53,981 They do not belong there, 1124 00:59:53,981 --> 00:59:55,548 but they take solace in the notion 1125 00:59:55,548 --> 00:59:58,203 that they can go back home, 1126 00:59:58,203 --> 01:00:02,163 and for many of us, going back home 1127 01:00:02,163 --> 01:00:05,384 means to confront the fact that you have left so long 1128 01:00:05,384 --> 01:00:07,604 that you really cannot go home again. 1129 01:00:35,936 --> 01:00:39,505 [Rennie]: We came out of jail sometime around June, 1130 01:00:39,505 --> 01:00:43,509 and by December of that year, I fought my way into Trinidad, 1131 01:00:43,509 --> 01:00:47,208 and I came home to get an assessment 1132 01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:50,559 of what was happening in Trinidad. 1133 01:00:53,084 --> 01:00:53,998 [reporter]: It is exactly two weeks ago today 1134 01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:56,522 since the first demonstrations began 1135 01:00:56,522 --> 01:00:58,437 against what the Black Power people here 1136 01:00:58,437 --> 01:01:00,918 call Canadian Imperialism, 1137 01:01:00,918 --> 01:01:02,876 and against the trial of the 10 Trinidadians 1138 01:01:02,876 --> 01:01:04,617 in Montreal. 1139 01:01:04,617 --> 01:01:07,359 The demonstrations have mounted steadily, 1140 01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:08,926 both in the number of people concerned with them, 1141 01:01:08,926 --> 01:01:10,275 and in their ferocity. 1142 01:01:10,275 --> 01:01:11,798 [Rennie]: It started off 1143 01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:15,062 with the issue being the Sir George Williams, 1144 01:01:15,062 --> 01:01:17,064 but the local issues took over. 1145 01:01:17,064 --> 01:01:18,544 Mass movement came out on the street. 1146 01:01:18,544 --> 01:01:21,155 You're talking about 20,000, 30,000 people 1147 01:01:21,155 --> 01:01:22,069 marching every day. 1148 01:01:24,550 --> 01:01:27,292 [Ballantyne]: There was an anger and enthusiasm. 1149 01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:29,120 You could feel it. 1150 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,687 It wasn't something tangible, 1151 01:01:30,687 --> 01:01:32,036 but it was something you could feel. 1152 01:01:32,036 --> 01:01:33,951 People wanted to do something. 1153 01:01:37,084 --> 01:01:39,608 [Rennie]: At the time, unemployment was very high. 1154 01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:42,873 People were very frustrated with the situation, 1155 01:01:42,873 --> 01:01:45,397 the lack of opportunities. 1156 01:01:45,397 --> 01:01:47,616 [man]: We want to end the exploitation, 1157 01:01:47,616 --> 01:01:51,011 economically, culturally, in every sense, 1158 01:01:51,011 --> 01:01:52,926 by the white foreign powers, 1159 01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:55,407 particularly from North America and Britain. 1160 01:01:55,407 --> 01:01:57,452 As we go lower down the street, 1161 01:01:57,452 --> 01:01:59,846 we'll pass a number of other Canadian banks. 1162 01:01:59,846 --> 01:02:03,763 You are one of our major exploiters. 1163 01:02:03,763 --> 01:02:05,243 [Rennie]: And the moment they were arrested 1164 01:02:05,243 --> 01:02:08,942 for that demonstration against the banks, 1165 01:02:08,942 --> 01:02:10,422 the situation broke. 1166 01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:13,294 [explosion] 1167 01:02:13,294 --> 01:02:17,124 I think at the local level, a butterfly flapped its wing, 1168 01:02:17,124 --> 01:02:19,257 and it blew, 1169 01:02:19,257 --> 01:02:21,955 and it blew because you had Black Power movement 1170 01:02:21,955 --> 01:02:23,827 in the States, 1171 01:02:23,827 --> 01:02:25,654 you had the movement for the liberation of Africa 1172 01:02:25,654 --> 01:02:27,091 at the same time, 1173 01:02:27,091 --> 01:02:29,876 you had the whole Caribbean 1174 01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:33,358 moving towards different degrees of independence. 1175 01:02:33,358 --> 01:02:35,099 All of the Caribbean 1176 01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:37,579 is under the control of the Imperialists, 1177 01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:39,930 and all of the Caribbean must fight to free itself, 1178 01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:41,409 and since we are the same people, 1179 01:02:41,409 --> 01:02:43,455 we must aid each other in our battles 1180 01:02:43,455 --> 01:02:45,413 to free ourselves from racist Imperialism. 1181 01:02:45,413 --> 01:02:47,502 When in April of 1970, 1182 01:02:47,502 --> 01:02:49,940 they passed the state of emergency 1183 01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:51,898 because they wanted the army to come out 1184 01:02:51,898 --> 01:02:55,206 and quell the people's demonstrations in the street 1185 01:02:55,206 --> 01:02:57,164 because people were demonstrating every day. 1186 01:02:57,164 --> 01:02:59,993 They passed a state of emergency, 1187 01:02:59,993 --> 01:03:01,516 and they tried to lock the square. 1188 01:03:03,257 --> 01:03:10,699 The square was the place known for people's expression. 1189 01:03:10,699 --> 01:03:12,701 Eric Williams, when he came in '56, 1190 01:03:12,701 --> 01:03:14,051 he referred to it 1191 01:03:14,051 --> 01:03:15,704 as the University of Woodford Square. 1192 01:03:15,704 --> 01:03:18,403 That University of Woodford Square in 1970 1193 01:03:18,403 --> 01:03:21,101 became a people's parliament. 1194 01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:22,711 And what did the government do? 1195 01:03:24,278 --> 01:03:26,063 Lock it up 1196 01:03:26,063 --> 01:03:29,631 to prevent the expression of the people. 1197 01:03:35,246 --> 01:03:37,074 [fire crackles] 1198 01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:52,393 [John]: At the end of the day, 1199 01:03:52,393 --> 01:03:56,658 the question that is posed is, 1200 01:03:56,658 --> 01:04:01,838 were these students suicidal, or just absolutely stupid 1201 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:05,798 that they would set a fire 1202 01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:08,540 in which the consequences of setting that fire 1203 01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:10,542 was not simply the destruction of the computers, 1204 01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:13,458 but that their lives would be in danger? 1205 01:04:16,417 --> 01:04:19,159 Once you call a person, once you identify a person 1206 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:24,034 not only as the other, but as such a feral animal 1207 01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:27,167 that you wished to have him burn, 1208 01:04:27,167 --> 01:04:29,169 then it is very easy to appreciate 1209 01:04:29,169 --> 01:04:32,520 that you can go one step further 1210 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,914 and create the conditions. 1211 01:04:39,832 --> 01:04:44,228 Without any direct evidence... 1212 01:04:44,228 --> 01:04:47,100 I am of the opinion, 1213 01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,755 I hold the opinion... 1214 01:04:49,755 --> 01:04:52,497 and we're all entitled to our opinions... 1215 01:04:52,497 --> 01:04:57,023 that the fire was set by law enforcement. 1216 01:05:02,681 --> 01:05:04,117 [explosion] 1217 01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,640 [fire crackles] 1218 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,383 Nobody ever told me exactly who it was. 1219 01:05:09,383 --> 01:05:13,518 And it would've been ludicrous for us to start the fire, 1220 01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:15,302 because we were locked in. 1221 01:05:15,302 --> 01:05:18,610 [Butcher]: Nobody has been able to 1222 01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:21,047 or has wished to 1223 01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:25,878 or has said that they've seen anybody do anything like that, 1224 01:05:25,878 --> 01:05:30,056 and a certain solidarity exists that, look, 1225 01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:33,059 it was an injustice in which we paid the price, 1226 01:05:33,059 --> 01:05:35,496 so we were going to stand together. 1227 01:05:55,255 --> 01:05:56,691 [reporter]: Do you think 1228 01:05:56,691 --> 01:05:58,389 that the suspension served any useful purpose? 1229 01:05:58,389 --> 01:06:00,565 Absolutely not. 1230 01:06:00,565 --> 01:06:03,394 In fact, I think it was personally damaging. 1231 01:06:03,394 --> 01:06:05,657 It is now on my record. 1232 01:06:05,657 --> 01:06:06,788 You now have a suspension. 1233 01:06:06,788 --> 01:06:07,876 Even if it is lifted later, 1234 01:06:07,876 --> 01:06:09,226 you think it'll hurt your later career? 1235 01:06:09,226 --> 01:06:10,575 Definitely so, 1236 01:06:10,575 --> 01:06:12,664 and I can refer to an article in the New York Times 1237 01:06:12,664 --> 01:06:13,752 in relationship to this, 1238 01:06:13,752 --> 01:06:17,930 where a statement was made 1239 01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:22,152 that students had brought a charge of racism against me, 1240 01:06:22,152 --> 01:06:24,850 that the administration had moved to suspend me, 1241 01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:27,331 and that an inquiry was pending. 1242 01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:28,941 The connotation there, of course, 1243 01:06:28,941 --> 01:06:32,423 is that the administration... 1244 01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,950 possibly felt that I was guilty. 1245 01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:42,520 [Duff]: You don't get an accusation like that 1246 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,261 unless it's happening. 1247 01:06:44,261 --> 01:06:46,263 I mean, you know, 1248 01:06:46,263 --> 01:06:48,308 people don't jump to conclusions like that 1249 01:06:48,308 --> 01:06:52,791 because there isn't good grounds for it in the culture at large, 1250 01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,097 and in that sense, 1251 01:06:54,097 --> 01:06:56,316 Perry's as guilty as me or anyone else 1252 01:06:56,316 --> 01:06:58,362 of being culturally biased, right? 1253 01:06:58,362 --> 01:07:01,843 And I don't think it was a personal bias, 1254 01:07:01,843 --> 01:07:04,107 but he was part of the cultural bias. 1255 01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,892 Have you dealt with black students before, 1256 01:07:06,892 --> 01:07:08,154 and what were your relationships with them, 1257 01:07:08,154 --> 01:07:10,548 if you have? 1258 01:07:10,548 --> 01:07:12,332 Could you qualify that statement? 1259 01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:14,204 Have you dealt with black students before, 1260 01:07:14,204 --> 01:07:16,119 with West Indians before, in any way, 1261 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:19,905 and how were your relationships with them? 1262 01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:23,169 There are forces and, and movements 1263 01:07:23,169 --> 01:07:25,171 and political movements in societies 1264 01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:27,608 that really are, you know, 1265 01:07:27,608 --> 01:07:29,654 much more powerful than individuals, 1266 01:07:29,654 --> 01:07:32,396 and that he felt very much 1267 01:07:32,396 --> 01:07:36,574 that you should be aware of that in life, 1268 01:07:36,574 --> 01:07:38,271 because he wasn't, and he felt very much 1269 01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:40,491 that he got caught up in something 1270 01:07:40,491 --> 01:07:42,188 that he didn't understand. 1271 01:07:42,188 --> 01:07:46,497 Well, I feel that the pressures 1272 01:07:46,497 --> 01:07:51,110 that were on my shoulders since last December 1273 01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:56,811 were subconscious more than anything, 1274 01:07:56,811 --> 01:07:59,075 and it is only recently that I've realized 1275 01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:06,647 how mentally depressed I was over the course of the period. 1276 01:08:06,647 --> 01:08:09,085 But you didn't realize it at the time, 1277 01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:11,174 when the pressure was at its most... 1278 01:08:11,174 --> 01:08:13,132 was the most intense? 1279 01:08:13,132 --> 01:08:14,264 No, I don't think that I realized 1280 01:08:14,264 --> 01:08:16,657 how depressed I really was. 1281 01:08:33,805 --> 01:08:37,069 [Bayne]: How can you tell what is racist? 1282 01:08:37,069 --> 01:08:40,159 In any particular context, 1283 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,292 every single one of us might be racist. 1284 01:08:44,076 --> 01:08:47,471 There is the extent to which is what control do you have 1285 01:08:47,471 --> 01:08:52,040 over your selfish genetic demands 1286 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,347 for self-security? 1287 01:08:54,347 --> 01:08:56,958 That is what makes the difference between someone 1288 01:08:56,958 --> 01:08:59,439 who is a conscious, vicious racist, 1289 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,792 and someone who is simply responding 1290 01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:08,056 on a sort of, um... 1291 01:09:08,056 --> 01:09:10,755 "I need to ensure that I survive, 1292 01:09:10,755 --> 01:09:15,455 and I need to respond in a way which meets my particular needs, 1293 01:09:15,455 --> 01:09:18,763 and if I see someone or something 1294 01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:22,158 that is different to who I am and I can't read it, 1295 01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:25,422 I block them out or exclude them." 1296 01:09:25,422 --> 01:09:30,253 Now, I think we're all capable of that kind of response. 1297 01:09:30,253 --> 01:09:34,648 The question is, have we learned how to control this 1298 01:09:34,648 --> 01:09:36,389 so that we can have 1299 01:09:36,389 --> 01:09:40,915 the maximum amount of harmony and peace 1300 01:09:40,915 --> 01:09:44,745 and move forward together 1301 01:09:44,745 --> 01:09:47,444 against an external, physical world 1302 01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:54,842 that's not always giving us the security we need? 1303 01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:02,676 [Indongo]: Things aren't that much different 1304 01:10:02,676 --> 01:10:03,503 for my son. 1305 01:10:07,986 --> 01:10:09,988 It may look different 1306 01:10:09,988 --> 01:10:12,164 because there's a little bit more tolerance, 1307 01:10:12,164 --> 01:10:13,426 or what seems to be more tolerance, 1308 01:10:13,426 --> 01:10:15,907 but... 1309 01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:18,126 I, I really... 1310 01:10:20,607 --> 01:10:22,087 I really don't see it. 1311 01:10:22,087 --> 01:10:27,571 So if I stay here with my son, who's African-Caribbean... 1312 01:10:29,747 --> 01:10:32,619 whose father has to walk... 1313 01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:35,579 witness young, white, Hasidic girls 1314 01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:37,189 rush across the street 1315 01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:40,671 when they see him coming out of his apartment, 1316 01:10:40,671 --> 01:10:44,196 and then cross back once they've passed him, 1317 01:10:44,196 --> 01:10:45,850 those are the moments it's just like, 1318 01:10:45,850 --> 01:10:46,720 "There's nothing we could do." 1319 01:11:22,147 --> 01:11:26,282 [John]: Your entire being is involved 1320 01:11:26,282 --> 01:11:27,935 in trying to affect something, 1321 01:11:27,935 --> 01:11:29,154 and at the end of the day, 1322 01:11:29,154 --> 01:11:32,070 you have failed, and failed spectacularly. 1323 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:35,247 And even to this day, 1324 01:11:35,247 --> 01:11:41,122 the relationships with my, with my two sons is, um... 1325 01:11:41,122 --> 01:11:46,824 bracketed by those early days when I was not there, 1326 01:11:46,824 --> 01:11:50,393 and we subsequently got divorced, my wife and I, 1327 01:11:50,393 --> 01:11:51,481 and... 1328 01:11:54,397 --> 01:12:01,708 I do not bother to say to them, you know, I... 1329 01:12:01,708 --> 01:12:04,276 I don't even say... 1330 01:12:04,276 --> 01:12:06,452 I haven't even said that I'm sorry, 1331 01:12:06,452 --> 01:12:09,499 because to say that I'm sorry 1332 01:12:09,499 --> 01:12:12,458 presupposes that I should've done something different. 1333 01:12:25,297 --> 01:12:27,778 I think Perry felt 1334 01:12:27,778 --> 01:12:32,130 that it was very much, um, 1335 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:36,221 an absolutely horrific thing that was happening to him. 1336 01:12:36,221 --> 01:12:38,702 I think Mom felt... 1337 01:12:38,702 --> 01:12:40,834 she wanted to carry on and persevere 1338 01:12:40,834 --> 01:12:43,576 in the way that we had, 1339 01:12:43,576 --> 01:12:46,927 where Perry, I think, saw it differently. 1340 01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:52,106 This is just when I start to have memory. 1341 01:12:52,106 --> 01:12:55,066 I'm not sure if I'm four and a half or five. 1342 01:12:55,066 --> 01:12:56,720 I remember sitting on the staircase. 1343 01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,549 We were in a duplex over in NDG. 1344 01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:02,160 I think it was two floors, It must've been, 1345 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,640 'cause I remember sitting on the staircase 1346 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:08,035 and just hearing loud voices downstairs, 1347 01:13:08,035 --> 01:13:12,431 not sure what was going on, um, 1348 01:13:12,431 --> 01:13:15,129 and then I remember Mom being gone. 1349 01:13:27,925 --> 01:13:29,317 [Ford]: Some people ask me, 1350 01:13:29,317 --> 01:13:31,276 "Well, how long does a bee live?" 1351 01:13:31,276 --> 01:13:39,719 But then, I never take that on, because a bee is a bee is a bee. 1352 01:13:39,719 --> 01:13:43,680 So that same bee, if I mark it, it'll probably die and go, 1353 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,030 but there's another bee that's doing the same thing, 1354 01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:47,858 and producing honey, 1355 01:13:47,858 --> 01:13:51,557 and the honey from thousands and thousands of years ago 1356 01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:52,776 is the same thing. 1357 01:13:55,256 --> 01:13:56,823 Now, as you're working, 1358 01:13:56,823 --> 01:13:58,912 I think sometimes, you reflect a lot, 1359 01:13:58,912 --> 01:14:00,653 you meditate a lot, you think a lot. 1360 01:14:04,483 --> 01:14:05,615 You touch on a whole lot of things. 1361 01:14:05,615 --> 01:14:08,835 You get a chance to resolve things. 1362 01:14:08,835 --> 01:14:11,447 Issues come up, and you solve them. 1363 01:14:13,579 --> 01:14:16,974 A time to get into you and to understand you, 1364 01:14:16,974 --> 01:14:18,192 and what are your beliefs. 1365 01:14:18,192 --> 01:14:21,413 What are you believing, 1366 01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:24,460 and what are you doing here, you know? 1367 01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:30,074 And the fact that you will not be here forever, 1368 01:14:30,074 --> 01:14:34,165 and that you're passing through, 1369 01:14:34,165 --> 01:14:39,083 and these things are resolved in your mind, 1370 01:14:39,083 --> 01:14:44,305 that you're just a, you're just a traveller, 1371 01:14:44,305 --> 01:14:47,483 and it removes fear. 1372 01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,273 [♪♪♪] 1373 01:15:10,375 --> 01:15:14,684 ♪ Oh, pirates, yes they rob I ♪ 1374 01:15:14,684 --> 01:15:19,950 ♪ Sold I to the merchant ships 1375 01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:24,171 ♪ Minutes after they took I 1376 01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:27,218 ♪ From the bottomless pit 1377 01:15:27,218 --> 01:15:31,483 ♪ But my hand was made strong 1378 01:15:31,483 --> 01:15:36,140 ♪ By the 'and of the Almighty 1379 01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:41,275 ♪ We forward in this generation ♪ 1380 01:15:41,275 --> 01:15:45,323 ♪ Triumphantly 1381 01:15:45,323 --> 01:15:48,326 ♪ Won't you help to sing 1382 01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:53,810 ♪ These songs of freedom 1383 01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:58,118 ♪ 'Cause all I ever have 1384 01:15:58,118 --> 01:16:01,818 ♪ Redemption song 1385 01:16:03,254 --> 01:16:06,344 ♪ Redemption song 1386 01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:27,800 ♪ Emancipate yourself from mental slavery ♪ 1387 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,717 ♪ None but ourselves can free our minds ♪ 1388 01:16:31,717 --> 01:16:35,634 ♪ Have no fear for atomic energy ♪ 1389 01:16:35,634 --> 01:16:39,812 ♪ 'Cause none of them can stop the time ♪ 1390 01:16:39,812 --> 01:16:43,207 ♪ How long shall they kill our prophets ♪ 1391 01:16:43,207 --> 01:16:47,298 ♪ While we stand aside and look ♪ 1392 01:16:47,298 --> 01:16:51,737 ♪ Some say it's just a part of it ♪ 1393 01:16:51,737 --> 01:16:55,349 ♪ We've got to fulfill the book ♪ 1394 01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:56,916 ♪ Ooh 1395 01:16:56,916 --> 01:17:00,311 ♪ Won't you help us sing 1396 01:17:00,311 --> 01:17:04,271 ♪ Redemption Redemption ♪ 1397 01:17:04,271 --> 01:17:07,535 ♪ Redemption redemption 1398 01:17:07,535 --> 01:17:09,973 [singing harmony] 1399 01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:13,019 ♪ None but ourselves can free our minds ♪ 1400 01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,024 ♪ Redemption Redemption ♪ 1401 01:17:18,024 --> 01:17:22,725 ♪ None but ourselves can free our minds ♪ 1402 01:17:22,725 --> 01:17:23,900 ♪ Emancipate 1403 01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:26,554 ♪ These songs of freedom 1404 01:17:26,554 --> 01:17:27,643 ♪ Emancipate 1405 01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:30,428 ♪ These songs of freedom 1406 01:17:30,428 --> 01:17:31,472 ♪ Emancipate 1407 01:17:31,472 --> 01:17:34,258 ♪ These songs of freedom 1408 01:17:34,258 --> 01:17:35,346 ♪ Emancipate 1409 01:17:35,346 --> 01:17:39,959 ♪ These songs of freedom 1410 01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:00,371 [♪♪♪] 1411 01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:53,293 [♪♪♪] 99428

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