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The scale has only two arms
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On one side is us
And on the other are our dreams
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Life is so tormenting
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Thankfully, you are here
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Everybody wants love.
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And that age is such that
others feel attracted toward you,
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and you also feel attracted to others.
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I would often receive requests
from people.
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I would chat with them,
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but it would always end in sex.
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After sex, the other person
would say goodbye.
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Come, spend some time, and then leave.
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If it's a trans person, then use them
like tissue paper and dispose of them.
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So, I didn't get serious with anybody.
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The one I fell in love with
was in my school.
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Six years I had given to this
relationship, and so had the other person.
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And this has not worked out.
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You are done.
Now it's only death.
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After this, you do things
for the community, you do your work…
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but don't expect anything
on the love front.
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All those relationships are now
closed chapters of my life,
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and I don't want to open up like this
in front of the world.
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Every relationship has its uniqueness.
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The trust I had with my ex-partner,
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I still haven't found with anyone.
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Hi, I am Siddharth Gope.
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I was born and brought up
in Tripura, Agartala.
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I identify myself as
a trans man and bisexual.
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In December 2020, I was talking
to somebody on social media.
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Gradually, I felt like
we had some kind of connection.
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We understand each other.
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So, we entered into a relationship.
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We decided that I would shift to Kolkata.
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She would also leave her home,
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and we would start our new life
in Kolkata.
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Her parents had to be informed,
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so she told me to talk to them.
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She called her mom.
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I said,
"We have decided to live together."
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Her mom was like…
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"What? With whom?"
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"You had gone for your project," etc.
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After one week, they called and said,
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"Meet us once."
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My heart said not to trust them.
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I mean, anything is possible.
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Then, I thought…
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let's trust them since
they are asking so much.
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There's a park in New Town,
Probin Uddayan.
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We went to meet them there.
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Her father said that the mom was not well,
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so she couldn’t get out of the car.
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She wanted to eat, so he told me,
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"Siddharth, go buy some food."
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I took the money to buy the food.
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It was raining.
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I bought the food and ran back in the rain
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to the spot where their car was parked.
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They weren't there, nor was the car.
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Nor was my ex-partner.
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I didn't know what to do
or whom to speak to.
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This is an unknown city.
I don't know anyone.
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There were some bystanders.
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I asked them if they had seen
a car parked there.
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They said the car had left long ago,
right after you did.
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The first time I fell for somebody was…
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Was an extremely beautiful person.
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And yeah, I don't think
I can give more details than this.
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What I need…
What I needed was care.
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Okay? Because there were a lot
of wounds from the family
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because of violence.
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And the one I fell in
love with was in my school.
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What I received from that person was care.
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Okay.
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A lot…
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A lot of care and love.
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When I was looking for legitimacy…
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of that love…
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Too much trans ignorance.
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Because we ourselves
didn't know we were trans.
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It was that I'm a man and
I'm in love with another woman.
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It was hard for the other
person to come to terms with that.
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At that time, I was very heartbroken.
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It felt like only that person could…
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provide me with love and care,
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which also came from my
deeper wounds of deprivation of
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love, care, and support from my family.
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And attention from my family, you know?
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So it's a messed-up thing.
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Actually, it was a mixture,
so it was intense.
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That heartbreak was very hard to survive
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because I was not
expecting that to happen.
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That person has loved me for being so…
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So resentful of good things
not happening in the family.
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They had seen me at my worst.
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And then just not being
with me because I am trans…
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And then not having answers for it.
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You know?
It just… vanished one day.
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No reasons were given.
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Why? What?
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And that question…
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you know, kept putting me in doubt.
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Am I lovable?
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That was the only thing
that kept me, like,
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constantly on the edge of…
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I am not adequate.
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You know, that my love
will never be enough.
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It will end up being about the genitals.
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For me, I always knew it was about gender.
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My experience from my childhood
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was always very much knowing
the fact that I am a woman.
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So, therefore,
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I also grew up with the
idea that if I am a woman,
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I should be attracted to men.
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I tried dating straight men.
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And I always used to find an attraction
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that was missing for me.
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It did not have any
emotional resonance with me.
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The therapist I was seeing then…
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I was telling her about my relationships.
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And how I do not find comfort in them.
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I am trying to escape them all the time.
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What exactly was happening with me?
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She asked me, "Is it possible that…
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you are attracted to women?"
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And I kind of dismissed her immediately.
Right?
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That's not possible for me at all.
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That changed for me when I,
for the first time, sort of considered,
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"Is it possible that
I am attracted to women…
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as a woman?"
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"Saher" means morning breeze.
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When you feel it, you like it.
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You want to do anything at that time.
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You want to settle down there.
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For some time.
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Till the time that breeze is there.
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I also wanted to settle down somewhere,
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with my reality, with my life.
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I came across this name
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while I was searching
for one that would suit me.
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I am from Kanpur.
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I belong to a very basic Indian family.
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I am a cardiovascular perfusionist.
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I do heart surgeries.
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For that, you need a heart-lung machine,
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which I handle.
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I was married for some time
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to a woman.
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My family forced me.
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I told her before marriage,
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"Don't get married.
You will not be happy."
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She didn't care about
the things I told her.
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Maybe her family had forced her as well.
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When you don't live as partners,
fights happen.
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Things happen.
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So her parents told me,
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"If you are not able to satisfy
my daughter financially or anything,
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you can just get a divorce."
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At that time, I thought,
"Okay. You can give divorce. No problem."
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The kinds of cases they filed against me…
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Each case had different hearing dates.
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They weren't on the same day.
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So mentally, I was troubled.
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The case went on
for five to six years in court.
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Finally, I paid a huge amount of money
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to her to get a divorce.
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After my divorce, I told myself that
now I have to live my life
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according to how I want it.
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So, that day,
I decided that I wanted to transition.
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I want to live the way I want,
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no matter what others say.
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Really.
After my surgery, I am really…
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No depression at all.
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I feel happy all the time.
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My mom couldn't accept my transition.
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Every time she…
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hears my name or anything…
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She starts crying the whole day.
From morning to evening.
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"My son is dead."
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My father wanted to accept.
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But because of my mom…
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he…
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doesn't want any problems.
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I understand those things.
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There’s a dialogue and a song
from a movie that says,
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"People will say something.
It's their job to talk."
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No matter what you do,
no matter how good…
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people will definitely
say something or the other.
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They will talk even
if you do something good.
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They will talk even
if you do something bad.
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You dwell in my breath
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In my dreams and my memories
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Every morning brings in a new dawn
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Cooked up long conversations
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The nights are really long
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Every morning brings in a new dawn
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My mom and dad were like,
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"Can you just come down
to an event that is happening?"
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So I went there.
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That's the very first time I met Raji.
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Somebody had put a tilak or something.
It fell into my eyes.
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I was trying to rub it off
and comfort myself.
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She brings a towel
and starts wiping it off.
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She looks at me and says,
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"What do you do?
Kuchipudi, Bharatanatyam?
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You wear some kind of wig
and do everything. What is it called?"
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That was the first question she asked me.
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I was like… shocked.
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I realized that this person
already knew me,
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you know, without me making an effort.
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And that was something that
really struck a chord.
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We exchanged numbers
and spoke with each other.
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For about three or four months,
we were constantly talking,
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and at one point, we were deciding
if we could move on to the next step.
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That was the time I thought
she needed to know about my sexuality.
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I said, "I am pansexual, which means
I am attracted to all genders."
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And she sends me a Wikipedia link,
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asking, "Is this what you mean?"
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I said yes, and she's like "Okay."
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And then again,
after two or three hours, she's like,
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"Did you have your lunch? How was it?"
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All that conversation.
And I was confused.
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So I used to send everything
that was about queer,
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and she was very frustrated.
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She was like,
"You are pansexual, not me."
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"You don't have to tell me exactly
how it is. I understand it.
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If you're happy with me,
if you want to take it to the next step,
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the choice is in your hands.
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If you don't like me, then you have
to stop at this point in time."
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Then I introspected, thinking,
"What is stopping me?"
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"Do I not love her,
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or do I not connect
with her that beautifully?"
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Yes.
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"Is it something like I am cheating
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or not informing someone who
is involved in this relationship?" No.
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So, I didn't have any third excuse.
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I was like, you know,
"Okay. Let's go and do it."
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People thought I was gay
because I was doing a lot of drag,
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and it's always in the mindset that
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people who are gay are
the only ones who will do drag.
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And for them, it was like
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I didn't inform my partner.
It was more of a lavender marriage,
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or, you know,
they had multiple assumptions
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because it looked
like a heterosexual marriage.
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Because you're born in a
certain gender,
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and present as a certain gender,
marrying someone who is cishet.
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Acceptance kind of came
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only when she stood next to me
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and said, "I am accepting this person."
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That's the very first time
people realized,
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"Oh, this is something consensual.
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Both of them are aware of it."
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It had become my daily routine.
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I used to chat with a boy from 10 to 12.
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He was from Dehradun.
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His name was Tanvir.
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We became good Facebook friends.
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He used to ask me, "Did you have lunch?
Should I eat now?"
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I would say,
"Yes, I had lunch. You can eat."
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That's the kind of relationship we had.
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00:18:39,791 --> 00:18:44,791
If someday he was 5-10 minutes late
in messaging me,
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I would feel like somebody
was separating my soul from my body.
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After talking on Messenger
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for one and a half to two months,
we got tired.
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00:18:54,291 --> 00:18:57,083
What's the need to chat?
Let's directly talk on the phone.
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We started calling each other
and doing video calls.
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He would tell me to come there,
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but I was not allowed
to go out due to restrictions.
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He said, "I will come there."
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There was a tea stall nearby.
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We went there, sat, and chatted.
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It felt really nice
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that there was somebody
who was accepting this fact,
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and he was sitting among so many people,
having tea with me.
275
00:19:29,458 --> 00:19:34,291
So, I came and shared it with my guru.
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She asked me,
"How long has this been going on?"
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I said, "It's been two to three months."
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I sat there with her.
She said, "I am 65 years old."
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"I have had more men
in my life than my age,
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and all are cheaters."
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00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:54,708
That night, I didn't chat
with him or call him.
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She planted a fear in my mind.
283
00:20:01,583 --> 00:20:02,958
One day, Tanvir came…
284
00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:06,208
I was upstairs in the kitchen.
My guru was downstairs.
285
00:20:06,333 --> 00:20:08,041
She opened the door and asked,
"Who are you?"
286
00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:10,291
He said, "I want to meet Teena."
287
00:20:11,541 --> 00:20:13,625
She asked,
"Why do you want to meet Teena?"
288
00:20:13,916 --> 00:20:16,083
"Are you Teena's brother or uncle?"
289
00:20:16,541 --> 00:20:18,416
He said,
"No, I want to meet her. I am her friend."
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00:20:19,375 --> 00:20:25,416
My guru rebuked him a lot, saying,
"You are manipulating her.
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Leave from here."
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00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,333
At that time, I was 16-17 years old,
293
00:20:31,458 --> 00:20:33,500
and Tanvir was 22-23 years old.
294
00:20:34,125 --> 00:20:37,666
I started chatting with him again.
295
00:20:39,125 --> 00:20:42,291
He said,
"Leave that place. Come and stay with me.
296
00:20:42,416 --> 00:20:44,458
You don't need that kind of life."
297
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,416
So I clearly told him…
298
00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:51,958
"I want to study."
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00:20:52,291 --> 00:20:53,583
He said, "No. You come here.
300
00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:55,541
Whether you want to study
or do anything else, come here and do it.
301
00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:56,500
Don't stay there."
302
00:20:57,541 --> 00:21:00,458
If you think
that community is safe for you,
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00:21:01,208 --> 00:21:04,458
why don't you tell them
that you want to study?"
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00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,375
I said,
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00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,958
"I want to study. There is a school
nearby. Should I get admission there?"
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00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:11,541
She said, "Why do you want to study?
307
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,666
You don't need math and science to clap.
308
00:21:16,458 --> 00:21:18,666
You don't need to speak
in English to beg.
309
00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:22,000
It's simple,"
she acted it out for me, saying,
310
00:21:22,125 --> 00:21:24,875
"'Please give me.'
Say this and beg. Done."
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00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,083
It struck me.
312
00:21:27,208 --> 00:21:32,208
Is this really what I have to do?
Do I have to simply clap and do all that?
313
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,833
So I told Tanvir whatever she told me.
314
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,666
He said, "Look,
they are unable to accept your choices.
315
00:21:43,416 --> 00:21:44,541
They are stopping you.
316
00:21:45,458 --> 00:21:47,666
You might study and become successful."
317
00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,250
He put that idea in my mind.
318
00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:06,541
I started a live video.
319
00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:08,750
They switched off her phone.
320
00:22:08,875 --> 00:22:10,833
Both of the parents' phones
are switched off.
321
00:22:10,958 --> 00:22:12,875
I don't know where they took her.
322
00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:16,583
I don't know.
323
00:22:18,041 --> 00:22:19,958
I looked everywhere
and couldn't find them.
324
00:22:20,083 --> 00:22:23,333
Is she okay or not?
What did they do to her?
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00:22:23,458 --> 00:22:24,833
I don't know.
326
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:28,750
I got so many direct messages
on my social media.
327
00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:30,458
What do I do now?
328
00:22:31,541 --> 00:22:32,875
I don't know where the police are.
329
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,833
Some said to go to the police.
330
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,500
Some said to go to SAPPHO.
331
00:22:40,541 --> 00:22:42,375
In the meantime,
332
00:22:42,583 --> 00:22:48,333
I booked a cab
and went to her house.
333
00:22:48,708 --> 00:22:52,541
SAPPHO called and said, "Don't go today.
334
00:22:52,833 --> 00:22:55,916
Let's all go together tomorrow.
335
00:22:56,083 --> 00:22:59,291
Because if you go there today,
anything is possible. You are alone.
336
00:22:59,416 --> 00:23:03,125
And remember,
you are a female-at-birth person.
337
00:23:03,708 --> 00:23:06,208
Anything can happen to you. Don't go."
338
00:23:06,458 --> 00:23:07,875
And I was already there.
339
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,166
At least I'll see
with my own eyes that she is fine.
340
00:23:11,458 --> 00:23:13,125
If she doesn't want to come along,
then okay.
341
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:15,125
I will come back. It's okay.
342
00:23:18,208 --> 00:23:23,875
All the family members and the
neighbors were in front of her house.
343
00:23:26,375 --> 00:23:31,500
When I got out of the car, everyone said,
"That's the boy. Catch him."
344
00:23:34,041 --> 00:23:35,041
I ran inside.
345
00:23:36,208 --> 00:23:38,541
We held each other's hands.
346
00:23:40,458 --> 00:23:42,916
But we were separated.
347
00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:48,000
They locked her inside the house,
and I was outside.
348
00:23:51,458 --> 00:23:54,666
So they were misbehaving
without even hearing me out.
349
00:23:56,583 --> 00:23:58,250
Then they started assaulting me.
350
00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:01,166
No one was listening to me.
351
00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:03,958
I wanted to say…
352
00:24:05,166 --> 00:24:08,416
I didn't elope with her.
353
00:24:08,666 --> 00:24:12,416
She left her family willingly.
354
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,708
She wants to live with me.
355
00:24:15,291 --> 00:24:16,250
That's why she left.
356
00:24:16,583 --> 00:24:19,750
And to answer your question,
"Who is she to me?"
357
00:24:20,416 --> 00:24:22,083
We love each other.
358
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:27,458
Who are we?
Boyfriend-girlfriend? Partners?
359
00:24:28,458 --> 00:24:30,083
We don't want to label ourselves.
360
00:24:30,583 --> 00:24:32,125
We love each other.
361
00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:33,666
We want to live together.
362
00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:35,125
That's it.
363
00:24:37,708 --> 00:24:42,375
I dropped her a couple of messages.
"Don't worry, I'm contacting SAPPHO.
364
00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:46,916
I will get you out of there. I promise."
365
00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:55,125
I also endured physical
and emotional torture.
366
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:56,208
A lot happened.
367
00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:58,458
She also went through the same.
368
00:24:58,625 --> 00:25:03,291
But we didn’t let our courage falter.
369
00:25:04,458 --> 00:25:09,166
Once we decided we wanted to be together,
370
00:25:09,416 --> 00:25:12,416
we were sure we wanted to do this.
371
00:25:29,541 --> 00:25:31,750
My name is Jay Sharma.
372
00:25:32,416 --> 00:25:34,541
I am from Jaunpur, UP.
373
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,041
I came to Mumbai
for the first time in 2009.
374
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,375
I was working for a company in Boisar.
375
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,041
I used to work night shifts and used to
use my mobile to pass the time.
376
00:25:51,125 --> 00:25:53,166
At that time, I saw Madhuri's photo.
377
00:25:54,083 --> 00:25:55,458
I sent her a friend request.
378
00:25:56,625 --> 00:25:58,583
Then I started messaging her.
379
00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:02,875
One to one-and-a-half years passed.
380
00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:08,500
One day, she told me,
"We are doing a dance show.
381
00:26:08,625 --> 00:26:11,000
If you want, you can come and watch it."
382
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:17,458
She was on stage, and I was
sitting below as an audience member.
383
00:26:19,666 --> 00:26:21,000
That's when I met her for the first time.
384
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,458
She had a 15-20 minute show
comprising dance and drama.
385
00:26:26,875 --> 00:26:28,375
In that, they showed a transgender's life
386
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,500
from the time they wake up
in the morning until they sleep at night,
387
00:26:31,625 --> 00:26:33,916
depicting the problems they face
throughout the day,
388
00:26:34,041 --> 00:26:36,625
all performed in 15-20 minutes.
389
00:26:37,625 --> 00:26:42,583
When I saw the act,
I fell in love with her.
390
00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:55,583
When Jay came to my shows,
we were just friends.
391
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,500
We liked each other's company.
392
00:27:02,458 --> 00:27:08,041
He asked me, "Can we be together forever?"
393
00:27:09,458 --> 00:27:11,333
I said it casually,
394
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:14,083
"Will you marry me?
Then I will stay with you."
395
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:20,458
Actually, I said that just to judge him
396
00:27:20,625 --> 00:27:22,208
because I know that
when it comes to marriage,
397
00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:24,083
nobody wants to marry a trans person.
398
00:27:24,208 --> 00:27:27,208
He would also delete me
like the others did.
399
00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:32,875
Lost in your thoughts…
400
00:27:33,791 --> 00:27:36,625
I think it didn't take
me even a second to say yes.
401
00:27:37,625 --> 00:27:39,166
Madhuri just asked,
402
00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:41,125
and before she could
complete her question,
403
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:42,416
I said, "Yes, I will marry you."
404
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:10,125
We didn't know our wedding
would be such a big event.
405
00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:12,000
It was in the newspapers the next day.
406
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:16,208
Because we were the first
couple to have an open marriage.
407
00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:17,458
"First in India."
408
00:28:39,291 --> 00:28:40,750
A trans friend of mine…
409
00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:45,250
She couldn’t be herself in India
410
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:48,083
because her parents were not supportive,
411
00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:51,833
and a lot of things…
which in India is difficult.
412
00:28:51,958 --> 00:28:54,208
So we decided we’d go somewhere else.
413
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:56,250
We decided we’d go to Australia.
414
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,291
"There is another person
who is also my friend,
415
00:28:59,416 --> 00:29:02,583
and she is very crazy just like you.
So we’ll bring her along."
416
00:29:04,791 --> 00:29:07,791
So we flew to Australia,
and at least for the first few days
417
00:29:07,916 --> 00:29:11,458
of going around,
it was pretty friendly…
418
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:15,291
We were seeing a new place together,
so it was all fun in a way.
419
00:29:23,875 --> 00:29:26,666
Somewhere when we moved
from Sydney to Brisbane,
420
00:29:26,791 --> 00:29:33,708
I started to notice there was
more to this gaze than just friendship.
421
00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:36,958
And it was something
that not just I was feeling.
422
00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:41,375
It was something that perhaps
she was also sharing with me.
423
00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:46,333
I think I was wearing
something like a veil…
424
00:29:46,458 --> 00:29:49,458
And me being extremely clumsy and klutzy,
425
00:29:49,583 --> 00:29:51,000
I kept dropping it around.
426
00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,666
She immediately picked up that line
427
00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,875
and said, "Anu, this song is for you.
428
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,916
How would you take care of my heart
when you can't take care of your veil?"
429
00:30:02,875 --> 00:30:05,250
So it was one of those moments
430
00:30:05,375 --> 00:30:08,958
that you just… your mind just blows.
431
00:30:12,208 --> 00:30:14,541
This was probably the first time I ever
432
00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:17,333
identified with the whole queer identity.
433
00:30:17,458 --> 00:30:20,250
Because queerness wasn't there for me.
434
00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:21,958
And with this person,
435
00:30:22,583 --> 00:30:27,333
she was able to show me
that I can be loved as a woman
436
00:30:27,458 --> 00:30:28,416
by a woman.
437
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:39,000
I would say I was pretty lucky and
privileged to have had this experience,
438
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:42,083
of perhaps… being able to explore
439
00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:46,666
my sexuality and attractions
after I was myself.
440
00:30:48,166 --> 00:30:52,041
I think I found more joy
in finding my queer identity.
441
00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:54,125
My identity as a lesbian woman.
442
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:58,875
Giving me even more euphoria
than my gender identity,
443
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,250
at least at this point in time.
444
00:31:11,916 --> 00:31:15,125
One day, my guru scolded me a lot
about my studies.
445
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:16,125
So…
446
00:31:17,541 --> 00:31:18,666
I called Tanvir.
447
00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:21,458
He said, "It's okay
if you don't want to come here.
448
00:31:22,458 --> 00:31:28,041
But if you think
that we share any kind of bonding
449
00:31:28,166 --> 00:31:31,458
or any relation, then please go home.
450
00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:34,000
Don't stay here."
451
00:31:35,541 --> 00:31:39,541
At that time,
I was so impressed by Tanvir's words
452
00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:41,458
and so touched by his gesture
453
00:31:42,458 --> 00:31:46,291
that I insisted on going home.
454
00:31:48,291 --> 00:31:50,500
I was told that once a week
I could go in the morning
455
00:31:51,291 --> 00:31:52,708
and return in the evening.
456
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,125
I got permission for that.
457
00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:59,291
So, I would leave on my scooter
early in the morning at six o'clock.
458
00:32:00,583 --> 00:32:04,875
For me, that period
from morning to evening was like
459
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:06,791
God had told a person living in hell that
460
00:32:06,916 --> 00:32:10,166
they could stay in paradise from morning
to evening and then come back.
461
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000
At that time, I felt Dad wasn’t too happy,
462
00:32:24,083 --> 00:32:26,750
maybe because
I was returning home after a long time.
463
00:32:27,458 --> 00:32:30,000
But my grandma and mom
had many questions for me.
464
00:32:37,125 --> 00:32:41,541
So, that same week, I started coming here
to the Gujjar community.
465
00:32:43,583 --> 00:32:47,083
My cousins live in the vicinity.
466
00:32:47,458 --> 00:32:48,750
They used to go to the library…
467
00:32:50,291 --> 00:32:54,500
and speak highly of it,
saying, "We discuss many topics."
468
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:59,583
They made me interested in the library.
469
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:03,083
I told Tanvir about this place,
470
00:33:04,041 --> 00:33:05,458
and he said, "You should go and see."
471
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,916
I started coming here for
a couple of days.
472
00:33:10,166 --> 00:33:12,333
I would stay at my
cousin's place or my place,
473
00:33:12,458 --> 00:33:14,458
and I started
visiting the library as well.
474
00:33:15,833 --> 00:33:18,791
Then a day came when I said,
"I don't want to stay here."
475
00:33:20,291 --> 00:33:22,250
She told me a Punjabi proverb.
476
00:33:26,416 --> 00:33:29,458
"Once you eat
in the house of a transgender,
477
00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:31,458
then you cannot stay anywhere else."
478
00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:33,208
It's difficult for you.
479
00:33:34,041 --> 00:33:35,041
Secondly,
480
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,958
you came here with two pairs of clothing,
481
00:33:38,083 --> 00:33:39,958
and you will have to leave
with only two pairs of clothing.
482
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:43,291
But I was so obsessed
with the outside world
483
00:33:43,416 --> 00:33:45,750
that it didn't make any difference to me.
I said, "Fine. You can keep the rest."
484
00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:50,791
My bond with Tanvir lasted for four years.
485
00:33:51,375 --> 00:33:56,125
But a time came when he said
486
00:33:56,708 --> 00:33:59,166
that I would have to stay with him and
487
00:34:00,416 --> 00:34:01,791
we would earn money like this,
488
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:03,625
through transgender means.
489
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,125
I remembered the old things.
490
00:34:11,458 --> 00:34:14,291
At that time,
he helped me get out of there.
491
00:34:14,625 --> 00:34:16,000
I came out of there because of him,
492
00:34:16,125 --> 00:34:18,916
and now, he is pulling me back there.
493
00:34:21,791 --> 00:34:25,208
We broke up because of this.
494
00:34:32,291 --> 00:34:34,500
There are two things
that we usually do before a performance.
495
00:34:34,625 --> 00:34:37,416
Either I create a look
that is inspired by me,
496
00:34:37,791 --> 00:34:39,958
or I create a look
that is inspired by Raji.
497
00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:45,083
And when I do my own look,
it's very exaggerated,
498
00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:47,250
but with Raji, it’s very fem-fem,
499
00:34:47,375 --> 00:34:51,458
as if someone is dressing up a child
in a far more dolly way.
500
00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:55,583
The best thing that Raji did
with my drag was
501
00:34:55,708 --> 00:35:00,625
make it more allied
or beautiful in a subtle way,
502
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:04,833
so it fits into the other drags
happening around.
503
00:35:06,958 --> 00:35:09,916
In the end,
drag has to sell to the audience.
504
00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:14,166
And when it comes to performances,
505
00:35:14,291 --> 00:35:16,041
she is a very good critic.
506
00:35:19,041 --> 00:35:21,541
She will tell you if it's bad,
right to your face.
507
00:35:21,708 --> 00:35:23,166
If people are not clapping,
she will say,
508
00:35:23,291 --> 00:35:25,500
"Half of the people were
not clapping when you were performing."
509
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:31,666
So, this is how she shares
the relationship.
510
00:35:42,291 --> 00:35:44,083
She is always charming.
She is always classy.
511
00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:46,000
She has this very subtle smile…
512
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:49,083
It might be the most pressured situation,
513
00:35:49,208 --> 00:35:51,500
but she will just laugh
and get that thing out.
514
00:35:53,125 --> 00:35:54,708
That is something which, you know…
515
00:35:55,041 --> 00:35:58,291
Which I think I fell for.
516
00:36:00,083 --> 00:36:01,958
Yeah. I just need to wipe my face.
517
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:05,166
Yeah.
518
00:36:19,291 --> 00:36:22,166
For a while,
I thought I was in deep trouble.
519
00:36:23,416 --> 00:36:25,333
It is an unconventional love story…
520
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,875
We got married on the 28th December.
521
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,833
Every day,
the news reporters would come home.
522
00:36:31,083 --> 00:36:32,875
They never left us alone.
523
00:36:36,416 --> 00:36:39,500
Actually, Jay had not
told his entire family.
524
00:36:41,708 --> 00:36:45,708
When it came in the newspaper,
it came to light within ten days.
525
00:36:50,083 --> 00:36:53,500
I said, since they found out,
we’ll face it.
526
00:36:57,083 --> 00:37:01,666
Because no mother would want
her son to marry a transgender person.
527
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:06,166
We were living in Mumbai,
but they faced a lot in the village.
528
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,875
There was discord for a whole year.
We weren't talking.
529
00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:16,083
Then, gradually, things changed.
Jay convinced his sisters to
530
00:37:16,375 --> 00:37:18,750
bring his mother to Mumbai once.
531
00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:24,458
They saw me, assessed me, and
532
00:37:24,625 --> 00:37:27,500
didn’t take long to change their minds.
Because that's what happens.
533
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:30,291
People think differently
about transgenders,
534
00:37:30,416 --> 00:37:32,750
but when they spend a day with them,
535
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,041
they know how they really are.
536
00:37:38,166 --> 00:37:41,625
Everyone knows that Jay married a trans,
537
00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:46,375
and yet I stay with them
as a daughter-in-law,
538
00:37:46,791 --> 00:37:50,125
as an aunt, and as a sister-in-law.
539
00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:55,083
Sometimes, I forget
my identity when I’m with them.
540
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,708
Whenever I look back,
541
00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:04,500
I am sad about what I lost,
542
00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:08,041
but I'm ecstatic about what I gained.
543
00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:12,166
Those were not my blood ties or my family.
544
00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,375
The love that I should've
got from my family,
545
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,291
I'm getting all of that from his family.
546
00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:22,791
I mean,
I lost some and gained some.
547
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:24,750
In fact, I gained much more.
548
00:38:27,541 --> 00:38:31,750
I don't remember the names
or even the faces of my relatives.
549
00:38:35,416 --> 00:38:39,458
The relationships we choose
on our own stay for life.
550
00:38:40,041 --> 00:38:43,625
These are relationships chosen by me,
and I'm getting love from them.
551
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,791
So now, I am very happy with my life.
552
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:52,625
Every person has one life,
553
00:38:53,791 --> 00:38:56,458
but I’ve had three so far.
554
00:38:57,791 --> 00:39:02,041
The first was when my parents
had me as Prakash.
555
00:39:02,666 --> 00:39:05,541
The second one was the life
I gave to myself
556
00:39:05,791 --> 00:39:09,875
when I brought Madhuri out from inside me.
557
00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:12,500
The third was by Jay.
558
00:39:13,625 --> 00:39:16,208
The designation of being a wife, a woman.
559
00:39:17,583 --> 00:39:19,875
And I want to experience a fourth one,
560
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:21,750
which is that of a mother.
561
00:39:43,916 --> 00:39:48,208
When we talk about human beings,
we shouldn’t talk about gender.
562
00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:50,833
Gender becomes meaningless.
563
00:39:53,375 --> 00:39:56,250
I got married in 2016,
564
00:39:57,875 --> 00:40:00,250
but I still haven’t gotten
my marriage certificate.
565
00:40:01,541 --> 00:40:04,208
So why can’t I get the marriage
certificate as a transgender person?
566
00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:10,708
When I saw that there was
no education in the community,
567
00:40:11,041 --> 00:40:13,666
I asked myself a question.
568
00:40:13,791 --> 00:40:16,458
Teena, they don't
know that "L" is for lion.
569
00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:18,333
When you teach them
that "L" is for lesbian,
570
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:20,000
will they understand?
571
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,250
It’s something I definitely
572
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:28,125
thought about in my life,
573
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:29,958
but I was not prepared.
574
00:40:31,583 --> 00:40:33,500
So, I’m about to be a parent.
575
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,541
You know, we don't have books about
576
00:40:36,708 --> 00:40:39,208
how to raise a child genderless
or gender-friendly,
577
00:40:39,916 --> 00:40:41,250
but I will ensure that
578
00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:43,750
they do not have
an unsafe space around them.
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