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- Oh, no.- Hollywood Hogan
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made me act vicious,
he was arrogant.
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I was the most evilgrease ball
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that ever showed up
in the wrestling business.
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The character Hulk Hogan
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used to be the ultimate tan,
all-American hero.
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Totally two different animals.
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So it was just that
complete 180 transition
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to beingthe most evil villain.
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Yes, you can say
the ultimate bad guy.
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[dramatic music]
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* *
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[crowd booing]
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- The dirtiest player
in the game,
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan,
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will prove you gotta take
what you want.
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- Hollywood Hulk Hogan wasthe most diabolical villain
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in sports entertainmenthistory.
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But Hogan's ingloriousbrand of evil
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derived from rather innocentbeginnings.
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[National Anthem playingon electric guitar]
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- It's the '80s.Simpler times.
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* *
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Hulk Hogan is thelarger-than-life
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personification of everythingyou want in a hero.
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Be good, say your prayers,eat your vitamins,
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and you too could be likeHulk Hogan someday.
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[bell ringing]
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- This is the main event!
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- Hulk Hogan was largerthan life.
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Big, 300 and some odd pounds,
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built likea brick [bleep]house.
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and had
an ungodly amount of charisma.
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- Hulk Hogan!
[crowd cheering]
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[bell ringing]
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- The 1980swere a wonderful era
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for real-life superheroes.
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- Hulk now hasthe Sheik's robe,
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and he clotheslined himwith it!
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- We were looking for heroes
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that were really idealized
versions of ourselves.
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And Hulk Hogan
was one of those.
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- One, two!He's got Iron Sheik!
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Hulkamania is here.
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- In early '80s,I started Hulkamania.
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I had a lot to do with it,
but so did the promotion.
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I'm in training
and I'm saying my prayers
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and eating my vitamins.
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And everywhere where I go,man,
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the people are trainingin the parking lots,
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closing in the gym.
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Hulkamania is running wildall over the world.
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- Hulkamania was a phenomenon
that grabbed hold of
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not just the wrestling world,
but the entire world.
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- It just blew him up huge.
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I mean, this guy couldn't go
anywhere and not be recognized.
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- All of a sudden you started
seeing Hulk more and more
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on different shows.
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Johnny Carson.
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- Professional wrestling
kinda turns me
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into a stark raving maniac.
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- Jay Leno.
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- We cameto "Saturday Night Live"
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for one reason, brother.
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'Cause this is the best darn
show in the whole wild world.
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- "Hulk," I said,
"Hulk, you can't go wrong
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with the red and yellow."
He goes, "Why?"
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"McDonald's!
McDonald's is red and yellow
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and they're all over America."
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- They were putting me on thecover of "Sports Illustrated,"
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all the major magazines,
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you know, I was doingcommercials for Right Guard.
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And there was this
crazy momentum.
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- There he is, the greatestprofessional athlete
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in the world today,Hulk Hogan.
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- Hulk Hogan came into my life
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when I was very impressionable
in my formative years.
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I loved everything about him.
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He was big. He was tall.He was tan.
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He had 24-inch pythons.
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The way he talked.The way he ripped his shirt.
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When he was Thunderlipsin "Rocky III."
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We gotta remember we werein the middle of a Cold War.
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There was a lot of propaganda
as far as, you know,
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the Russians or whateverthe case may be.
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- We got Nikolai Volkoff
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singingthe Soviet National Anthem.
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It was not necessarily a time
for nuanced storytelling.
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- I can't stand to see
our enemy's flag in the ring.
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- Mr. All-Americanversus the rest of the world.
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Throw in the American flag?
You got a hero.
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- Hulk Hogan with Old Gloryflying high above.
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- Coming out of the '80s,
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the '90s is defined
by grunge...
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and gangster rap.
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Counterculture
was everything in the '90s.
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- When the '90s came along,
everything changed, you know.
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It was about being more
the bad guy,
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the more in your face,
the more, "Yeah. Who said so?
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"Well, try to knock this chip
off my shoulder
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and I'll show you
what's gonna happen, buddy."
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- It was the same redand yellow for a long time.
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Very successful long time
I might add,
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but there was a point
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where the audiencestarted looking at Hulk
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and going, "Okay, what's new?"
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- All of a sudden,
I felt things changing.
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But I could feel the momentum.
It wasn't as powerful.
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I'd come out
and my music would hit,
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it wasn't the same.
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I'd drop the leg,
do the posedown.
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It wasn't the same.
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- We could notice each night,
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we were getting
a few more boos.
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Each night,
I'd go and check the sales
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on our merchandise, you know.
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And I could see where it was
starting to dip a little bit.
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- This Hulk Hogan thinggot so big
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and it was so powerful.
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But there were certain times
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where, you know,
when I kind of felt
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Hulkamania might not be goingin the right direction.
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I thought there might be a time
for a change.
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- [yells]
- Going up?
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- For the next few years,
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Hulk focused onhis Hollywood ambitions.
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- So is he a Box Office champ?
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Well, not yet.
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- I'm getting better.
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The transition is a tough one.
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- By 1994,it became clear.
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Hulkamania wasnot running wild in Hollywood.
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- I kinda, like, was really
on shaky ground for a while.
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I wasn't making any money.
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And when I left the WWE,
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Vince thought my run was over.
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You know, so I was just kinda
like, stumbling along
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on a hope and a prayer.
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I was so lucky that WCW
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had a sound stage right nextto "Thunder in Paradise."
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And Eric Bischoff approached me
with Ric Flair and said,
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"Hey, we'd like you to put
lightning in a bottle again."
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I said, "Brother, I'm in."
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- Eric Bischoff wasa chief executive
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tasked with leading WCW,a wrestling promotion
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with the objectiveto overtake WWE
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as the industry standard.
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Bischoff'sfirst plan of action
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was to entice former WWEsuperstars into the fold
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to jumpstart the company.
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[intense music]
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And there was stillno bigger name out there...
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[cheers and applause]
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Than Hulk Hogan.
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- WCW was at a point in time
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where we were
positioning for growth.
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Hulk Hogan was stilla bankable star
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in the eyes of advertisers.
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Knowing that Hulk
was no longer with WWE,
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it became apparent to me
that being able to sign Hulk
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and get him to come to WCW
would create an awareness
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that no amount
of advertising or marketing
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probably could have achieved.
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- I never, ever in my life
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thought that I would
run against Vince McMahon.
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But you know,
I talked to Eric Bischoff.
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And he said, "What's it gonna
take to light this company up?"
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I said, "Well, I need to come
back as Hulk Hogan for a while
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"and get the feel of things,
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and then we can figure
it out really quick."
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- Hulk Hogan, five times--
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- The initial reaction
when Hulk left WWE
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and went to WCW was
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going to a smaller
organization at the time
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would help that organization,
definitely,
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but wasn't anything that said,
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"Oh, well this is gonnamake a difference.
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Not with the same thing
that he had been doing here."
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- We're gonna find out
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who the most powerful man
in the WCW is because--
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- You know, when we firstbrought Hulk Hogan in,
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it was a big damn deal.
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It made a lot of news.
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It served its purpose.
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But after abouta year and a half,
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the audience viewedHulk Hogan differently.
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I knew that, goinghead-to-head with the WWE,
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we had to be differentand had to be a lot edgier.
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So it was Hulk Hogan
joining the dark side.
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- Oh, what is this?Come on!
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* *
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- So I flew myself downto Clearwater
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and had a conversationwith Hulk.
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"What do you think
about turning heel?
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Going from good
to the bad guy?"
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- Eric came up with this idea
and, you know,
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I knew I needed to do
something, but I wasn't sold.
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- I think Hulk knew thatthe red and yellow Hulk Hogan
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was still generatinga lot of revenue
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and would be turninghis back on the fans.
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And I just don't think
he was interested
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in taking the risk
associated with turning heel.
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Because Hulk had madeit clear to me
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he had no interest
in turning heel at all,
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so I had to have a plan B.
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* *
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- WCW president Eric Bischoffhatched a real life plot
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to put WWE out of business.
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- Scott and I had taken onthe perception
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of two of the WWE's top guys
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doing basically,a hostile takeover
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of another corporation,
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so we were always perceivedas the WWE.
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- Get security out hereand get them outta here.
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- The perception was implied
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that they were being sent
from us at the WWE
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and it was an invasion
of WWE talent going to WCW.
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[tires squealing]
- See you, buddy!
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Whoo!
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- Scott Hall and Kevin Nash,
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they killed everyone.
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- Stop take, get security.
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- They didn't have
anything to lose
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and they were willing
to take risks.
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- Oh, my God.- Hey, get him outta here.
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- We picked up a lot
of momentum right off the bat.
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Certainly gotpeople's attention,
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but I needed to makeas big a splash as I could,
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so we built an entire storyline
around a third man.
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What made it tricky for me is
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I had to find a third man
in that story.
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- Bischoff wanted the promiseof a mysterious third man,
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the baddest of the bad guys,
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a true heel of a human being.
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But who could possiblyfill those boots?
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- Everyone wanted that spot.
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These two guyshad lit up the world.
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I'm talking about number one
spot on cable television.
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- We wanna know
who your three guys are.
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- And then he cut that promo
about "Bring your best three,
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we're bringing our best three."
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- The big man
and the medium size man
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and our surprise buddy--
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- "And next week,
I'm bringing the big man in."
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The really crazy part is
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no one knew
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who the third guy was
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because there wasn't one yet.
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- I remember the daythat I got a call from Hulk.
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And he said, "Hey, man,
I'd like to talk to you
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"about what's going on.
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Can you make it out to LA?"
So I did.
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I think I got to Hulk'strailer around midnight.
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After we had a beer or two
and lit up a Cuban cigar,
255
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Hulk said to me, "So...
256
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Who's gonna be the third man?"
257
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And I didn't wanna tell him.
258
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I already had Sting lined up.
259
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- I said,
"You can't ask Sting."
260
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I needed major, major change,
261
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really, really bad.
262
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I was starting to get
to the point
263
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where I was second-guessing
everything about myself.
264
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Was the Hulkamania ridea fluke?
265
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Was the reason Hulkamaniagot so big,
266
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was it justVince McMahon's promotion?
267
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When this whole
three guys thing came along
268
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and I decided to jump on it,
269
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I needed it more than
life itself, at that point.
270
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I didn't want Sting to get it.
271
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And I wanted to prove to people
that I knew this business.
272
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And not only could I be
the greatest good guy ever.
273
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I knew this business
well enough
274
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that I could be
the greatest bad guy ever.
275
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So I said, "I'm in.
I'm in. Let's do it."
276
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- I was like, "Wow.
Didn't see that one coming."
277
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[dramatic music]
278
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Boy, have I got butteries.
279
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Luger's here. Sting's here.
Savage is here.
280
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I only see two of them.
281
00:13:43,948 --> 00:13:46,701
- We were told there would bethree of these interlopers.
282
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And as you can see,there are only two.
283
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,624
- There's just two of them.
284
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They're fighting three guys.
285
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Savage and Luger and Sting.
286
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- Where is he?
287
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It's your partner telling me
288
00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:02,425
that your third man
is in the building?
289
00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:04,094
- Oh, he's here
all right, Gene.
290
00:14:04,135 --> 00:14:06,971
- What made it trickyfor me is
291
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I wasn't 100% convinced
292
00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:11,226
that Hulk was actually
going to see it through.
293
00:14:11,267 --> 00:14:13,269
- Up until 4:00 o'clock,
294
00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:15,647
Hulk wasn't sure
he was gonna do it, you know.
295
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It was--it was not a go.
296
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And the backup plan
was gonna be Sting turning.
297
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- I think everybodyunder their breath
298
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:29,619
said a little bit of prayerbecause we knew
299
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we're taking the biggest name
in the history of this business
300
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and switching him to a bad guy.
301
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- We couldn't affordany mistakes.
302
00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,964
Keeping it a secret
was my top priority.
303
00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:44,926
I pulled him over into thisbig janitorial closet,
304
00:14:44,968 --> 00:14:48,346
and we started
going through that promo
305
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just beginning
to middle and end.
306
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It was the most exciting,
most stressful,
307
00:14:56,229 --> 00:15:00,650
probably two hours
of my professional life.
308
00:15:00,692 --> 00:15:04,029
Once Hulk walkedthrough that curtain,
309
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it waswhat it was going to be,
310
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and there was nothingI or anybody else
311
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,325
could do about it.
All bets were off.
312
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- Hulk Hoganis in the building!
313
00:15:11,536 --> 00:15:13,329
- You're damn right he is!- Go get 'em, Hulk!
314
00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:15,331
- Hulk comes out.
Here he comes!
315
00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:18,668
America, red and yellow,
blah, blah, blah.
316
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:20,795
People are there.
They're there. They're there.
317
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- Yes. Finally, the Hulkster
to the rescue.
318
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- And I'm--I'm in on it.
319
00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,303
I know he's gonna turn.
320
00:15:28,345 --> 00:15:31,264
And all I'm thinkingin my mind is, "Oh, man.
321
00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:32,682
"Five minutes from now, man,
322
00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:35,352
I'm going to get
the photo op of a lifetime."
323
00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:37,896
Like, I'm in the ring
with Hulk Hogan.
324
00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:40,106
- I go to the ringand Bobby Eaton goes,
325
00:15:40,148 --> 00:15:42,025
"But whose side is he on?"
326
00:15:42,067 --> 00:15:44,194
- But whose side is he on?
327
00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:45,862
- What are you talking about,Bobby?
328
00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:47,113
What side is he on?
329
00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:48,615
There's only one side
for him to be on.
330
00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:53,536
- Literally,
it was hard for me to breathe.
331
00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:54,704
I was so excited.
332
00:15:54,746 --> 00:15:56,373
- Kevin and Scott
cleared out of the ring
333
00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:57,749
like they were afraidof me first.
334
00:15:57,791 --> 00:15:59,167
- Get it, Hogan!
335
00:15:59,209 --> 00:16:01,002
Go get it, baby!
336
00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:02,796
Hulk, Hulk, Hulk!
337
00:16:02,837 --> 00:16:05,048
- Oh, my God!Is he the third man?
338
00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:06,424
- He's the third man!
339
00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:08,385
- I went in and droppedthe leg on Mach.
340
00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:09,928
- What has he done?
341
00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:13,139
- Hulk Hogan has betrayed WCW!
342
00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:16,226
[crowd booing]
343
00:16:16,267 --> 00:16:17,602
- They were in shock.
344
00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:20,563
- You just sold your soulto the devil.
345
00:16:20,605 --> 00:16:25,235
- I mean, you could feelthe air come out of the arena.
346
00:16:25,276 --> 00:16:27,904
No one knew how to react.
347
00:16:27,946 --> 00:16:30,824
- Hogan drops the legand stands there in the ring
348
00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:33,660
being interviewed by
a disgusted Mean Gene Okerlund.
349
00:16:33,702 --> 00:16:36,579
- Mean Gene,
the first thing you need to do
350
00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:39,082
is to tell these people
to shut up
351
00:16:39,124 --> 00:16:41,418
if you wanna hear
what I gotta say.
352
00:16:41,459 --> 00:16:44,421
Well, I told everybodyI was done
353
00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:46,256
and all you fans out there,
354
00:16:46,297 --> 00:16:49,134
you're just like
the trash in this ring.
355
00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:51,928
When I said that, man,they were throwing bottles,
356
00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:54,264
they were throwing anythingthey could get their hands on.
357
00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:55,765
- Look at the ring.
358
00:16:55,807 --> 00:16:58,893
Look at all this crap
in this ring.
359
00:16:58,935 --> 00:17:01,271
- As far as I'm concerned,
360
00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:04,482
all this crap in the ring
361
00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:07,110
represents these fans out here.
362
00:17:07,152 --> 00:17:10,196
You fans can stick it, brother.
363
00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:13,616
- Trash is raining down
from the crowd.
364
00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,243
You knewyou were seeing something
365
00:17:15,285 --> 00:17:18,079
you never thoughtyou would see.
366
00:17:18,121 --> 00:17:20,331
Hulk Hogan was evil.
367
00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,959
He had becomethe ultimate villain.
368
00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:25,211
- You can call this
369
00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:29,758
the New World Order
of wrestling, brother.
370
00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:31,593
- And he ushers in
371
00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:36,348
an entirely new eraof professional wrestling.
372
00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:40,143
- And that was the birth
of the nWo.
373
00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:43,855
* *
374
00:17:47,192 --> 00:17:48,735
- Hulk Hogan,
for you to join up
375
00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:50,612
with the likes of these two men
376
00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,740
absolutely makes me
sick to my stomach.
377
00:17:53,782 --> 00:17:55,825
- The way it is now, brother,
378
00:17:55,867 --> 00:18:01,623
not only are we gonna take over
the whole wrestling business
379
00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:05,919
with Hulk Hogan and the new
blood, the monsters with me,
380
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:11,091
we will destroy everything
in our path, Mean Gene.
381
00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:13,093
It got so much heat.
382
00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:17,389
Me, Kevin, and Scott got to the
back and went, "Holy [bleep]."
383
00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:20,892
- It was the craziest thingI've ever seen in my life.
384
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:23,478
They had to call
extra police in
385
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,605
from the Daytona Police
Department, came out there
386
00:18:25,647 --> 00:18:27,732
because therewas a riot that took place.
387
00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:30,735
I mean, all the news mediaspicked up on it everywhere.
388
00:18:33,863 --> 00:18:35,490
- The next day,
389
00:18:35,532 --> 00:18:39,619
Turner Broadcasting was flooded
390
00:18:39,661 --> 00:18:41,579
with emails and phone calls
391
00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:45,625
of really pissed-off people,
392
00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,127
mainly 'cause of the kids.
393
00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:48,628
'Cause Hulk was,
394
00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:50,463
"Say your prayer,eat your vitamins."
395
00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:54,467
And now you're heel?
Ooh, man.
396
00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:59,806
People were--
bleep, bleep, bleep--pissed.
397
00:18:59,848 --> 00:19:03,059
- People lost their minds,
dude.
398
00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:04,978
I mean, kids were burning
399
00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:09,024
their Hulk Hoganwrestling huggers in effigy.
400
00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:11,568
I mean it was insane.
401
00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:15,405
That's how belovedthat man was.
402
00:19:15,447 --> 00:19:17,657
[crowd chanting]
Hogan sucks! Hogan sucks!
403
00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:19,743
Hogan sucks! Hogan sucks!
404
00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,161
- That was devastating.
405
00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:25,165
Little kids were crying.Grown men were pissed.
406
00:19:25,206 --> 00:19:28,376
It was genuine betrayal.
407
00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:33,048
And the hate
that surely follows.
408
00:19:36,051 --> 00:19:38,011
- Hollywood Hogan embracedhis dark side
409
00:19:38,053 --> 00:19:40,347
with greater easethan anyone expected.
410
00:19:40,388 --> 00:19:43,975
It was clear he was in thisfor the long haul.
411
00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:45,602
- Wearing black
412
00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:48,104
instead of his customaryand traditional
413
00:19:48,146 --> 00:19:49,606
yellow and red,
414
00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:56,654
Mr. Hollywood Hulk Hogan!
415
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,908
- The biggest on-camera change
for Hulk Hogan
416
00:19:59,949 --> 00:20:02,786
going from good guy to bad guy
was wardrobe.
417
00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:05,747
The red and yellow.Those were his colors.
418
00:20:05,789 --> 00:20:09,501
Then going to the blackand the bandana being black.
419
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,378
- He's turned his backon it all.
420
00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:12,962
- What I liked the most
about it
421
00:20:13,004 --> 00:20:15,298
as opposed to just the
wardrobe, it was in the beard.
422
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:21,179
It visually madehis heel turn more dramatic.
423
00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:24,974
- At the time, it wasn't gray.
It was still kinda blonde.
424
00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:26,518
I grew the beard in,
425
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,603
and I got Just For Men,
426
00:20:28,645 --> 00:20:31,398
and I dyed it
shoe polish black,
427
00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:35,527
as evil, as Snidely Whiplashas I could get it.
428
00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,779
And that was the look.
429
00:20:37,821 --> 00:20:41,741
It made people so mad
that they knew I dyed my beard
430
00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:43,743
or I put makeup on it
or whatever they thought.
431
00:20:43,785 --> 00:20:45,078
- Listen to the fans!
432
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,497
- It put that extra icingon the top
433
00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:49,666
to make people hate meeven more.
434
00:20:49,708 --> 00:20:52,460
And then nobody airbrushed
their boots, you know.
435
00:20:52,502 --> 00:20:54,671
So I was putting "Hollywood"
436
00:20:54,713 --> 00:20:56,589
and lightning boltson the boots.
437
00:20:56,631 --> 00:20:57,882
And so that was like tweaking
438
00:20:57,924 --> 00:20:59,050
the characterand getting it right.
439
00:20:59,092 --> 00:21:02,762
But it made me act
a certain way too.
440
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:05,265
- You know, there wasn'ta bigger boogieman
441
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:07,559
than Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
442
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,935
- Hollywood Hulk Hogan,
443
00:21:08,977 --> 00:21:11,688
he'd give the cheap shots
behind the referee's back,
444
00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:13,189
you know, scrape the back.
445
00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:15,483
He would get on his handsand knees and beg,
446
00:21:15,525 --> 00:21:17,444
"Oh, please,
don't hit me, please,"
447
00:21:17,485 --> 00:21:19,946
where the people wanted
to see that happen, you know?
448
00:21:19,988 --> 00:21:21,823
And so it was justa whole different persona
449
00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:23,825
than he was from Hulk Hogan.
450
00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:28,246
- Hulk Hogan is the man
that you voted for
451
00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:30,749
for The Most Hated Wrestler
of the Year.
452
00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:33,126
Hulkster, wait a minute.
I've known you, like, forever.
453
00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,337
I mean, you were the most
popular guy in the world
454
00:21:35,378 --> 00:21:37,839
and now The Most Hated
Wrestler of the Year?
455
00:21:37,881 --> 00:21:41,009
- Well, brother, times change
and so do people, man.
456
00:21:41,051 --> 00:21:44,971
- The scourgeof the wrestling world!
457
00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:50,226
- Not only was the heatso pure, but all the--
458
00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:53,104
I don't wanna say
purist wrestling fans,
459
00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:55,565
but the dicks like me,
460
00:21:55,607 --> 00:21:57,859
we all loved it.
We were like, "Oh,
461
00:21:57,901 --> 00:22:00,945
if he can do that,anything's possible."
462
00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:03,656
- I just wanted to set the tone
463
00:22:03,698 --> 00:22:06,826
for what really would make
the nWo take off.
464
00:22:06,868 --> 00:22:08,703
- * Let's get the--get get get the money *
465
00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:10,288
* *
466
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,792
- And man, we rode it hardand we rode it long.
467
00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:19,005
The nWo is the only way to go.
468
00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:21,174
- Asking Hoganto turn his back on the ideals
469
00:22:21,216 --> 00:22:23,718
that made him the iconof a generation
470
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,012
was a big askto say the least.
471
00:22:26,054 --> 00:22:27,764
He knewthere was no turning back.
472
00:22:27,806 --> 00:22:29,724
- * Let's get the--get get get the money *
473
00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:31,726
* *
474
00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:43,113
- The new World HeavyweightChampions, the nWo!
475
00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:48,034
- The fans picked up onthe nWo Hulk Hogan.
476
00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:52,247
It was something the wrestling
world had never seen before
477
00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:57,127
and what's even crazier
more so than anything,
478
00:22:57,168 --> 00:23:00,463
they liked it
and they ate it up.
479
00:23:00,505 --> 00:23:04,384
- I think secretly,
we all love the bad guys.
480
00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:06,845
There's always a cool factorto the bad dude.
481
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,972
I think there's somethingwithin all of us
482
00:23:09,014 --> 00:23:10,306
that kind of wishes
483
00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:12,308
we could do a little bit
of that in real life.
484
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:13,768
- What are you fans
gonna think?
485
00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:15,979
- Hey, what you gonna do?
I'm a bad guy.
486
00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:18,398
- Oh, oh, G-Gonzo! Gonzo, help!
487
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,483
- Thistle!
488
00:23:20,525 --> 00:23:22,569
- I thinkthere's a certain authenticity
489
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:24,863
that rings with people
490
00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:29,534
when they find out that
this pure hero is flawed.
491
00:23:29,576 --> 00:23:31,911
And then when they see thatthey go, "Wow,
492
00:23:31,953 --> 00:23:33,371
I don't have to be perfect."
493
00:23:33,413 --> 00:23:38,418
You can identify with
that person that has the flaws.
494
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,211
- They were cool bad guys.
495
00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:42,047
And I think that'swhat makes the fans go,
496
00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,882
"You know,I wish I could dress like him.
497
00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:45,508
"I wish I could go
and tell my boss off
498
00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:46,676
like this guy here."
499
00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:48,011
It's being everything
500
00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:51,681
that you wish you could be,
but you're not.
501
00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:53,391
- It's a new world order.
502
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:55,852
There's nothing
you can do about it.
503
00:23:55,894 --> 00:23:58,521
You know, the more we would
beat people up
504
00:23:58,563 --> 00:24:02,192
and spray paint Ted Turner'sequipment outside,
505
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,527
the more evil stuff we did,
506
00:24:04,569 --> 00:24:07,364
the more the fans cheered.
507
00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:11,117
- I think the audience'sappetite was changing.
508
00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:13,953
The audience was beginning
to dig the anti-hero
509
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:15,580
a lot more than the hero.
510
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:19,084
So the whole idea
was to be edgier,
511
00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:21,211
more adult-themed,
512
00:24:21,252 --> 00:24:26,383
and to have much moreof a reality sensibility.
513
00:24:26,424 --> 00:24:28,134
And it worked.
514
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:34,683
- It was fascinating because
they were showing us things
515
00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:36,309
that we had never seen before.
516
00:24:36,351 --> 00:24:38,895
They were taking us back
behind the scenes,
517
00:24:38,937 --> 00:24:41,064
and they were just disrupting.
518
00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:43,233
From a fan's point of view,it was almost like
519
00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:46,486
now there was a virusin wrestling
520
00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:49,197
and you were either coollike Hogan,
521
00:24:49,239 --> 00:24:53,118
or you were, you know,
company people.
522
00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:56,788
- Getting the worldto get behind it
523
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,707
and want to be a part of it,
524
00:24:58,748 --> 00:25:00,875
it was genius.
It really was.
525
00:25:00,917 --> 00:25:04,963
Everybody in the arenahad the shirt.
526
00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:06,381
- Wanna makea fashion statement?
527
00:25:06,423 --> 00:25:07,841
- Buy the shirt!
528
00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,760
- My grandmother
wouldn't allow me to wear
529
00:25:10,802 --> 00:25:13,847
the nWo shirt in my house.
530
00:25:13,888 --> 00:25:16,516
She even ripped down
my Hulk Hogan poster.
531
00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,893
So when Hulk Hoganwas transforming
532
00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:20,437
and the nWo was forming,
533
00:25:20,478 --> 00:25:22,439
I was also turninginto a younger adult too.
534
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,441
So I was kind of changingthe way I was moving
535
00:25:24,482 --> 00:25:25,567
and the things I liked.
536
00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:27,444
So that whole transitionwas perfect
537
00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:30,113
from, you know, loving this
guy in the yellow and red
538
00:25:30,155 --> 00:25:32,991
to, "Grandma,
I need my nWo shirt.
539
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:35,160
Where's my black
and white shirt?"
540
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:37,454
- Ironically,the villainous Hollywood Hogan
541
00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:39,581
was now attracting the sortof celebrity attention
542
00:25:39,622 --> 00:25:43,084
that Hulk Hogan could onlydream about back in '94.
543
00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,297
- The nWo thing was so cool
544
00:25:47,339 --> 00:25:49,299
that there were really
no boundaries.
545
00:25:49,341 --> 00:25:51,760
- Hang on, you guys.Now, listen--
546
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:53,762
- I mean, it was insane.
547
00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:54,846
We had a blast.
548
00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:57,307
[moody rock music]
549
00:25:57,349 --> 00:26:01,353
- All of a sudden,
our ratings went from like 2.4s
550
00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:05,774
to sixes, sevens, and eights.
551
00:26:05,815 --> 00:26:07,942
I mean, those are NFL numbers.
552
00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:10,236
- We hadour own NASCAR nWo car.
553
00:26:10,278 --> 00:26:11,905
- Oh.- Oh!
554
00:26:11,946 --> 00:26:13,907
- Everybody wanted
to be a bad guy.
555
00:26:13,948 --> 00:26:17,452
- You proved you are the icon
556
00:26:17,494 --> 00:26:21,122
that everybody in this building
has always known you are.
557
00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:24,000
Give it up for the Hulkster.
Come on, give it up.
558
00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:33,051
- It totally changedthe landscape of the business.
559
00:26:33,093 --> 00:26:37,639
All of a sudden,
bad guys became everything.
560
00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:42,769
- Hulk Hogan becoming eviland becoming bad
561
00:26:42,811 --> 00:26:46,398
was the game-changer
that allowed WCW
562
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:50,610
to move ahead in the ratings
above us for 83 weeks.
563
00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:55,532
And that was the catalyst thatreally set WCW into motion,
564
00:26:55,573 --> 00:26:58,576
becoming a very successfulpromotion.
565
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:01,913
- Let's destroy
the broadcast booth...
566
00:27:01,955 --> 00:27:02,997
- No! No!
567
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,544
- Just like we destroyed
the WCW.
568
00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:09,754
- At that time,the world celebrated
569
00:27:09,796 --> 00:27:11,131
power hungry villains
570
00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:13,883
who might justburn the whole world down.
571
00:27:13,925 --> 00:27:16,469
But in a bizarretwist of fate,
572
00:27:16,511 --> 00:27:20,640
the very monster WCW createdin order to destroy WWE
573
00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:23,268
turned into an evilthey could not forbear.
574
00:27:28,565 --> 00:27:31,276
- In 1996,thanks to Hollywood Hogan,
575
00:27:31,317 --> 00:27:34,779
WCW was dominating WWEin the TV ratings.
576
00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:37,240
But as it's often been said,
577
00:27:37,282 --> 00:27:39,534
the devil's in the details,
578
00:27:39,576 --> 00:27:40,952
or in this case,
579
00:27:40,994 --> 00:27:42,454
the fine print.
580
00:27:42,495 --> 00:27:45,957
- Going back to
some of the first--
581
00:27:45,999 --> 00:27:50,378
the initial meetings I had
with Hulk about coming to WCW,
582
00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:52,964
he looked me right in the eyes
and said, "Brother,
583
00:27:53,006 --> 00:27:54,215
"I don't trust anybody here.
584
00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:56,051
"I don't know you, Eric.
585
00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:58,887
"And I know everybody thatworks here in this company,
586
00:27:58,928 --> 00:28:00,722
"and I really don't trust them.
587
00:28:00,764 --> 00:28:03,183
"So here's how
this is gonna have to work.
588
00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:04,893
Creative control."
589
00:28:04,934 --> 00:28:08,480
[dramatic rock music]
590
00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:10,482
- It means a lot to havecreative control
591
00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:13,151
because if somebody else
comes in and says,
592
00:28:13,193 --> 00:28:15,695
"I think we need
to do this or do that,"
593
00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,197
and you can't perform,
594
00:28:17,238 --> 00:28:18,782
it really hurtsthe money you're making.
595
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,326
So we knew if you dohave creative control,
596
00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:22,994
it's like you can do no wrong.
597
00:28:23,036 --> 00:28:25,455
- When Hulk came over to WCW,
598
00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:27,874
for Hulk,creative control meant
599
00:28:27,916 --> 00:28:31,127
that you could call
the match that you wanted,
600
00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:33,380
when you wanted it.
601
00:28:33,421 --> 00:28:37,425
It was something thatopened a can of worms.
602
00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:40,136
I think it rubbed a lot
of the guys the wrong way.
603
00:28:40,178 --> 00:28:42,263
- A lot of the wrestlerswere upset.
604
00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:44,391
Their egos just
got out of control.
605
00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:46,810
They were just really upset.
606
00:28:46,851 --> 00:28:48,520
- We were pissed.
607
00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:50,897
We were all just
fighting for your spot.
608
00:28:50,939 --> 00:28:54,067
The nWo has had
some good times.
609
00:28:54,109 --> 00:28:57,195
Quite frankly,
lately, some bad times.
610
00:28:57,237 --> 00:28:58,571
- For Scott and I,
611
00:28:58,613 --> 00:29:00,657
his creative controlwas very hard
612
00:29:00,699 --> 00:29:04,202
because the golden one
would walk in at 5:15,
613
00:29:04,244 --> 00:29:07,038
on an 8:00 o'clock start
and go,
614
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,125
"Brother,
that doesn't work for me."
615
00:29:10,166 --> 00:29:14,087
Well, [bleep] you.
616
00:29:14,129 --> 00:29:15,714
You know, like,
"Wow, really, man?
617
00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:18,800
"Okay. What does?
Do you have an idea?
618
00:29:18,842 --> 00:29:20,343
"You don't even have an idea.
619
00:29:20,385 --> 00:29:22,679
"That just doesn't work
for you?
620
00:29:22,721 --> 00:29:25,181
So we'll just--
we'll work around it."
621
00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:29,310
- It got to a point
622
00:29:29,352 --> 00:29:31,396
when the lunatics started
running the asylum
623
00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:34,065
and the shipstarted falling apart.
624
00:29:34,107 --> 00:29:37,610
[cackling]
625
00:29:37,652 --> 00:29:41,239
The numbers started slipping
just a little bit.
626
00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:43,742
Instead of Erictaking over control,
627
00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:46,286
you had everybody
in the Turner offices
628
00:29:46,327 --> 00:29:48,163
that knew nothing
about wrestling,
629
00:29:48,204 --> 00:29:49,831
trying to put their
two cents worth in.
630
00:29:49,873 --> 00:29:51,332
- We need to talk.
631
00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:53,418
- Uh--what do we need
to talk about?
632
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,253
- Wait a minute,
this is the president
633
00:29:55,295 --> 00:29:57,088
of Turner Sports.
He's your boss.
634
00:29:57,130 --> 00:30:00,008
- I know.
- This is Dr. Harvey Schiller.
635
00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:02,761
This cannot bode well for you.
636
00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:06,514
- Turner basicallytook WCW away from him.
637
00:30:06,556 --> 00:30:08,516
Eric Bischoff lost control.
638
00:30:08,558 --> 00:30:13,271
So it was like being sabotaged
at the highest level.
639
00:30:13,313 --> 00:30:15,190
It just--it just fell apart.
640
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,238
- So, yeah, I mean,
in September of '99,
641
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,868
I was relieved
of my duties in WCW.
642
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:30,246
In their infinite wisdom,
643
00:30:30,288 --> 00:30:32,290
WCW brought in Vince Russo--
644
00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:34,793
- Guys, this show really sucks.
645
00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,545
- Because Vince Russowas able to convince
646
00:30:37,587 --> 00:30:40,882
certain people in WCW
and Turner Broadcasting
647
00:30:40,924 --> 00:30:43,927
that Vince Russo was actually
the architect
648
00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:45,470
behind the Attitude Era
649
00:30:45,512 --> 00:30:48,807
and all the success
that WWE had.
650
00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,101
- Oh, my God,that's Vince Russo.
651
00:30:51,142 --> 00:30:54,396
- Bro, as sure
as I'm sitting here,
652
00:30:54,437 --> 00:31:00,318
I walked into
a WCW locker room.
653
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,987
And the minute I walked in,
654
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:06,366
there was a giant target,
655
00:31:06,408 --> 00:31:09,327
bullseye on my back.
656
00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:11,621
- Vince Russo came in
657
00:31:11,663 --> 00:31:14,082
and he said,
"I'm gonna fire everybody
658
00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:17,377
that's one day over 40."
659
00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:20,588
And I went,
"Okay, how's this gonna work?"
660
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:23,425
- One of the ways he was able
to galvanize himself
661
00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:27,137
with some of this lower card,
younger talent
662
00:31:27,178 --> 00:31:30,640
was to badmouth guys
like Hulk Hogan.
663
00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:33,351
- Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair
can't go on wrestling forever.
664
00:31:33,393 --> 00:31:35,603
You've got to build
the undercard.
665
00:31:35,645 --> 00:31:37,897
- And I'm just going,
"Oh, my God.
666
00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:40,275
"If you guys buy this,
I got a lot of swamp land
667
00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:41,651
here in Florida to sell you."
668
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:44,279
- Russo's goal is to
get rid of Hulk Hogan.
669
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,531
That was going to be
his claim to fame.
670
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:50,493
He was gonna put the nail
in Hulk Hogan's career.
671
00:31:50,535 --> 00:31:52,829
- A wrestler's paranoia,
672
00:31:52,871 --> 00:31:55,540
you can't--
you can't change that.
673
00:31:55,582 --> 00:31:59,044
They're gonna believe
what they wanna believe.
674
00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:00,378
And they believe
675
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,714
that I was trying
to run them outta Dodge,
676
00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:05,258
which was the last thing
I was trying to do.
677
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,719
- Vince Russo never butt heads
with anybody to their face.
678
00:32:07,761 --> 00:32:11,556
It was always behind your back.
679
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:15,101
Don't edit that out.
I dare you.
680
00:32:15,143 --> 00:32:21,024
- Let's get ready to rumble!
681
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:24,277
- So when we talk about"Bash at the Beach,"
682
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:25,904
I had written the show
683
00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:30,408
and Hulk had to give
the script approval, okay?
684
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:33,995
Sent the first one over,
Hulk didn't like it.
685
00:32:34,037 --> 00:32:37,457
Sent the second one over,Hulk didn't like it.
686
00:32:37,499 --> 00:32:39,042
- Basically, they want
to get the belt off you
687
00:32:39,084 --> 00:32:40,377
and put it on Jarrett.
688
00:32:40,418 --> 00:32:41,628
And I said,
"Well, here's the deal, bro.
689
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,005
"I don't get along
with this Vince Russo guy.
690
00:32:44,047 --> 00:32:45,965
"Anyway, he's been trying
to sabotage me
691
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:48,510
since the day
he walked in here."
692
00:32:48,551 --> 00:32:51,388
- So I write the third script,
and basically,
693
00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:55,433
I have Hulk killing
everyone in the building,
694
00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:58,603
but not walking out
with the title.
695
00:32:58,645 --> 00:33:00,146
- He's here!- It is.
696
00:33:00,188 --> 00:33:02,065
- Vince wanted Hulkto drop the belt to Jeff.
697
00:33:02,107 --> 00:33:04,442
And he said, "Look,
let me win the belt tonight
698
00:33:04,484 --> 00:33:07,195
"on the pay-per-view--"
which is the money.
699
00:33:07,237 --> 00:33:09,114
"And then Monday night,"he said,
700
00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:10,949
"I'll drop it,you know, at Nitro."
701
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:13,118
Well, he didn't wantto do that.
702
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:18,123
- I then go to Jeff Jarrettand say to Jeff,
703
00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,750
"Jeff, F Hogan,
704
00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,961
"Lay down in the middle
of the ring.
705
00:33:23,003 --> 00:33:24,546
"Let him cover you.
706
00:33:24,587 --> 00:33:27,549
And let him leave
with his belt. F him."
707
00:33:33,263 --> 00:33:35,223
- What's Jeff doing?- Hang on a minute.
708
00:33:35,265 --> 00:33:36,725
- What's Jeff doing?
709
00:33:36,766 --> 00:33:38,309
Russo, I think, told Jarrettto lie down.
710
00:33:38,351 --> 00:33:39,477
What's going on?
711
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,146
- Jarrett lays down.
712
00:33:41,187 --> 00:33:43,273
I looked down, and said,"Brother, don't do this."
713
00:33:43,314 --> 00:33:46,359
I said, "Don't screw
this business up like this."
714
00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,486
You know?
And he just laid there.
715
00:33:48,528 --> 00:33:53,116
Is this your deal, Russo?
- Wow.
716
00:33:53,158 --> 00:33:55,577
- That's why this company's
is the damn shape it's in,
717
00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:58,079
because of bull[bleep]
like this.
718
00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:04,044
[match bell rings]
- This is wild.
719
00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,004
Hulk Hoganis the world champion.
720
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:09,632
And this sport has never seenanything like this.
721
00:34:09,674 --> 00:34:12,135
- Maybe Russo can explainto the world
722
00:34:12,177 --> 00:34:16,014
what we have seen.
723
00:34:16,056 --> 00:34:17,640
- Look at his face.- Yeah.
724
00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,559
We know that face, don't we?
725
00:34:19,601 --> 00:34:22,062
- I've done nothing,
726
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:26,941
nothing but deal with
the bull[bleep]
727
00:34:26,983 --> 00:34:32,322
of the politics
behind that curtain.
728
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,451
I came back to the guys
behind that curtain
729
00:34:36,493 --> 00:34:40,997
that give a [bleep]
about this company.
730
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,291
And let me tell you
who doesn't give a [bleep]
731
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,085
about this company.
732
00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:49,547
That goddamn politician
Hulk Hogan.
733
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:52,634
Because Hulk Hogan tonight
734
00:34:52,676 --> 00:34:58,598
wants to play
his creative control card.
735
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,142
You will never see
that piece of [bleep] again.
736
00:35:01,184 --> 00:35:03,478
[cheering]
737
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,897
- Amen.
738
00:35:06,773 --> 00:35:10,652
- So now you gotta understand
with Hulk's ego,
739
00:35:10,694 --> 00:35:11,903
I go back to the office
740
00:35:11,945 --> 00:35:14,072
and I gotta meetwith Brad Siegel,
741
00:35:14,114 --> 00:35:16,157
who was the head of TNT.
742
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,660
And Brad says,
"Vince, what happened?"
743
00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:20,995
And I laid out
the entire scenario
744
00:35:21,037 --> 00:35:22,580
and Brad says to me,
745
00:35:22,622 --> 00:35:26,001
"How did you leave it
with Hulk?"
746
00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:28,670
- That wasthe Vince Russo show.
747
00:35:28,712 --> 00:35:30,839
The whole thing was just so--
748
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,509
just out of the realm
of what this business is about.
749
00:35:34,551 --> 00:35:36,803
It was just--it was a disaster.
750
00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:39,514
- Where does Hollywood Hogan'scareer go from here?
751
00:35:39,556 --> 00:35:42,267
- Where does WCW go from here?
752
00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:45,729
- With the WCW's valueat an all-time low,
753
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:47,814
the powers cut their losses
754
00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:51,067
and sold out to the manthey sought to destroy:
755
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:52,527
Vince McMahon.
756
00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:58,575
- The fate of WCW
is in my hands.
757
00:36:04,748 --> 00:36:06,291
- When Hollywood Hulk Hogan
758
00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:10,754
and his band of cutthroats
destroy you,
759
00:36:10,795 --> 00:36:16,259
the WCW will be on
a silver platter, brother.
760
00:36:16,301 --> 00:36:21,431
And just like
the big, bad wolf said...
761
00:36:21,473 --> 00:36:23,850
Better to eat you with.
762
00:36:25,268 --> 00:36:27,771
Uh, wow.
[chuckles]
763
00:36:27,812 --> 00:36:29,981
The downfall of WCW.
764
00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:34,694
- I didn't feel any, you know,
765
00:36:34,736 --> 00:36:37,030
ego boost of,
"Way to go, Vince..."
766
00:36:37,072 --> 00:36:38,990
You know, "You crushed them.
767
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:41,076
And now you own them,"and all that.
768
00:36:41,117 --> 00:36:44,245
I look at itas business as usual.
769
00:36:44,287 --> 00:36:47,374
You have to grab
your competition by the throat,
770
00:36:47,415 --> 00:36:49,250
and you've gotta squeeze
the life
771
00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:50,960
out of your competition,
772
00:36:51,002 --> 00:36:53,880
just like I did to WCW.
773
00:36:53,922 --> 00:36:56,758
- On March 26th, 2001,
774
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,136
WWE officially purchased WCW.
775
00:37:00,178 --> 00:37:02,430
Vince McMahonwould dismantle the roster
776
00:37:02,472 --> 00:37:05,058
and yank WCW off the air.
777
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:13,024
A year later, Vince McMahonwas looking to squeeze
778
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:16,111
whatever evil juicewas left out of Hogan.
779
00:37:16,152 --> 00:37:18,863
While Hollywood's starwas on the wing,
780
00:37:18,905 --> 00:37:22,409
The Rock was on his wayinto the stratosphere.
781
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:25,912
It was to be a symbolicpassing of the torch
782
00:37:25,954 --> 00:37:28,123
from an icon of an era gone by
783
00:37:28,164 --> 00:37:31,001
to the great oneof the Attitude Era.
784
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:32,919
- Hey, it's The Rock.
Come on, guys.
785
00:37:32,961 --> 00:37:35,213
- Hey, wow.
It's our people's champ.
786
00:37:35,255 --> 00:37:36,297
- I'm a baller.
787
00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:38,216
- This is my son's
favorite wrestler.
788
00:37:38,258 --> 00:37:41,011
- Vince wanted me
to wrestle The Rock, you know.
789
00:37:41,052 --> 00:37:42,387
- Hogan, you take that camera.
790
00:37:42,429 --> 00:37:44,222
It's already shined up,
turn sideways,
791
00:37:44,264 --> 00:37:45,473
eat your vitamin,
say your prayers,
792
00:37:45,515 --> 00:37:49,436
and stick it straight up
all your candy asses.
793
00:37:51,438 --> 00:37:53,523
- It's kind of funny because,
794
00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:54,816
you know,
I remember him saying,
795
00:37:54,858 --> 00:37:56,276
"Well, Terry, you know,
things have changed.
796
00:37:56,317 --> 00:37:58,653
"And, you know, if you're
gonna wrestle The Rock,
797
00:37:58,695 --> 00:38:00,405
you better really bring it."
798
00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:02,449
In my mind, I'm thinking,
"Brother, if I bring it,
799
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:04,784
you're gonna be begging me
to take it back."
800
00:38:04,826 --> 00:38:10,373
- Hollywood Hulk Hogan!
801
00:38:11,875 --> 00:38:13,126
- The Rock against Hulk Hogan.
802
00:38:13,168 --> 00:38:15,170
Here's the aging Hulk Hogan.
803
00:38:15,211 --> 00:38:17,505
Here's the newcomer, The Rock.
804
00:38:17,547 --> 00:38:21,176
What was gonna happen?
805
00:38:21,217 --> 00:38:23,178
- I mean, I took my daughter
to hear the Backstreet Boys
806
00:38:23,219 --> 00:38:25,889
and NSYNC and girls scream
so loud it hurt my ears.
807
00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:28,141
It was just that loud.
808
00:38:28,183 --> 00:38:30,810
- There's a lot of fanshere in SkyDome
809
00:38:30,852 --> 00:38:33,855
that lovethis legendary figure,
810
00:38:33,897 --> 00:38:36,608
Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
811
00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:39,736
- Oh, the power of Hogan.
812
00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:48,036
- When Hulk came back,
they don't want the nWo Hulk.
813
00:38:48,078 --> 00:38:49,871
They didn't want
Hollywood Hulk.
814
00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,373
They wanted Hulk.
815
00:38:51,414 --> 00:38:53,833
I think our audiencelooked at it as
816
00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:55,251
it had been long enough.
817
00:38:55,293 --> 00:38:56,378
He had been black and white
818
00:38:56,419 --> 00:38:58,463
for ten years
or whatever it was,
819
00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:00,632
and people were ready now,
820
00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:03,426
what's old is new again.
821
00:39:03,468 --> 00:39:05,637
- I mean, God, how long
822
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,223
did the beginningof that match go on?
823
00:39:08,264 --> 00:39:11,101
Where they were
just listening to the crowd
824
00:39:11,142 --> 00:39:15,188
and listening to
the deafening Hogan chants.
825
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:17,607
- Many in the crowdchanting for Hogan.
826
00:39:17,649 --> 00:39:19,150
- Holy cow, man.
827
00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:23,113
It was a worldwide audiencetelling you that,
828
00:39:23,154 --> 00:39:26,574
"Man, we love him
for everything he was.
829
00:39:26,616 --> 00:39:30,370
"We loved him for leaving.
We loved him for coming back.
830
00:39:30,412 --> 00:39:31,955
"We love Hulk.
831
00:39:31,996 --> 00:39:34,874
And maybe you're shoving
Rock down our throat."
832
00:39:34,916 --> 00:39:39,963
[crowd cheering loudly]
833
00:39:40,005 --> 00:39:43,258
- Heard 'em cheering
and I went, "Oh, crap."
834
00:39:43,299 --> 00:39:44,259
You know,
and they were cheering
835
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:45,552
and cheering
and cheering.
836
00:39:45,593 --> 00:39:47,053
And The Rock startedtaking over on me.
837
00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:48,847
Every time he'd punch me,they'd boo him.
838
00:39:48,888 --> 00:39:50,390
[crowd booing]
839
00:39:50,432 --> 00:39:51,933
- I don't think The Rockexpected a mixed reaction.
840
00:39:51,975 --> 00:39:53,810
- The Rock was getting booed.
841
00:39:53,852 --> 00:39:55,186
He's had the pushof a lifetime,
842
00:39:55,228 --> 00:39:57,063
and here, I come back,
843
00:39:57,105 --> 00:39:59,274
trying to put the WWEout of business
844
00:39:59,315 --> 00:40:02,152
for ten years,
trying to destroy the company.
845
00:40:02,193 --> 00:40:05,572
I come back and the people
are cheering me and booing him?
846
00:40:05,613 --> 00:40:08,074
- The crowd is solidlybehind Hulk.
847
00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:10,452
I don't know if The Rockknows what to think.
848
00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:12,370
- People went crazyover the Hulkster.
849
00:40:12,412 --> 00:40:13,663
Oh, my God.It was unbelie--
850
00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:15,123
and then people lovedThe Rock too.
851
00:40:15,165 --> 00:40:16,416
But they got the match
turned around
852
00:40:16,458 --> 00:40:18,335
where people cheered
The Rock, cheered Hulk.
853
00:40:18,376 --> 00:40:20,587
You know, "Let's go, Hulkster.Let's go, Rock."
854
00:40:20,628 --> 00:40:22,756
"Let's go, Hulkster.Let's go, Rock."
855
00:40:22,797 --> 00:40:25,175
- Hulk, Rock.
856
00:40:25,216 --> 00:40:27,886
Two of the greatest
of all time.
857
00:40:27,927 --> 00:40:31,222
And they were able to listen,
858
00:40:31,264 --> 00:40:32,557
react,
859
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:34,017
and make it work.
860
00:40:38,688 --> 00:40:40,398
- People just couldn'ttake it anymore.
861
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,734
Couldn't waitfor Hulk to hulk up
862
00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:44,152
and make that big comeback.
863
00:40:44,194 --> 00:40:46,488
Comeback, comeback.
864
00:40:46,529 --> 00:40:49,324
- Oh, my God.- What you gonna do, Rock?
865
00:40:49,366 --> 00:40:52,911
- Hulk heard an audience,
a worldwide audience
866
00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:54,913
telling you that,
867
00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:58,041
"Man, we want
our traditional Hulk back.
868
00:40:58,083 --> 00:40:59,918
And we love him."
869
00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:02,128
It was a beautiful moment
870
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:05,215
because that was
an evolution for Hulk.
871
00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:11,471
[match bell ringing]
872
00:41:11,513 --> 00:41:16,518
- You smell what The Rockis cooking.
873
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:19,187
- It was interestingbecause it was almost like
874
00:41:19,229 --> 00:41:21,523
it was the first time
that Hogan realized
875
00:41:21,564 --> 00:41:27,112
that there could be some
ambiguity to his character.
876
00:41:27,153 --> 00:41:29,781
I think it wasn'tuntil that night
877
00:41:29,823 --> 00:41:32,659
'cause he was so overwith the audience,
878
00:41:32,701 --> 00:41:36,121
he realized he could haveelements of Hollywood
879
00:41:36,162 --> 00:41:38,915
and not be completely bad.
880
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:45,880
[crowd cheering]
881
00:41:45,922 --> 00:41:47,382
- At the end,
882
00:41:47,424 --> 00:41:49,050
the people really gotwhat they wanted to see:
883
00:41:49,092 --> 00:41:51,302
two of the biggest iconsin the world.
884
00:41:51,344 --> 00:41:54,014
And so, you know, it was kinda
like a passing of the torch.
885
00:41:54,055 --> 00:41:56,975
[triumphant music]
886
00:41:57,017 --> 00:42:04,149
* *
887
00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:09,362
- It was so intense...
888
00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:13,491
That Vince McMahon goes,
889
00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:16,745
"Where is
your red and yellow gear?"
890
00:42:16,786 --> 00:42:20,040
Vince goes, "You need to go get
your red and yellow stuff."
891
00:42:23,335 --> 00:42:25,253
My whole character
892
00:42:25,295 --> 00:42:27,964
of Hollywood Hoganwas nothing but fun
893
00:42:28,006 --> 00:42:30,842
and being nastyas I want to be
894
00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:32,177
and having a blast doing it.
895
00:42:32,218 --> 00:42:35,138
[sentimental music]
896
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:38,058
* *
897
00:42:38,099 --> 00:42:41,603
The Hulk Hogan character
actually was up here
898
00:42:41,644 --> 00:42:44,105
and it brought me up
and made me a better person
899
00:42:44,147 --> 00:42:45,899
all these years.
900
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,400
And I finally understand
901
00:42:47,442 --> 00:42:49,527
what it meant
to so many people.
902
00:42:49,569 --> 00:42:50,862
* *
903
00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:53,073
[National Anthem playingon electric guitar]
904
00:42:53,114 --> 00:42:54,866
- Wait just a minute!
905
00:42:54,908 --> 00:42:57,619
Looks like Hulk Hogan'sgot the red and yellow!
906
00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:01,081
The true colorsof the Hulkster!
907
00:43:01,122 --> 00:43:03,958
The bright red,the bright yellow.
908
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,628
Hulk Hogan is back!
909
00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,714
That is so coolto see the Hulkster
910
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,300
in the red and yellow.
911
00:43:12,342 --> 00:43:14,260
- Psychoanalyst Carl Jungonce said
912
00:43:14,302 --> 00:43:17,222
the inside of every personis a shadow self.
913
00:43:17,263 --> 00:43:19,974
It's where we keep the thingswe don't like about ourselves.
914
00:43:20,016 --> 00:43:22,852
Pride, ruthless ambition,
915
00:43:22,894 --> 00:43:24,729
tendency to violence.
916
00:43:24,771 --> 00:43:26,815
That's Hollywood Hogan.
917
00:43:26,856 --> 00:43:30,652
As much as we all want to bethe hero that was Hulk Hogan,
918
00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:34,239
we all have a little bit ofHollywood Hogan inside of us.
919
00:43:37,617 --> 00:43:40,161
- I think
if one were to go back
920
00:43:40,203 --> 00:43:44,332
and try to do a postmortem
921
00:43:44,374 --> 00:43:46,001
on the "evil" Hulk Hogan,
922
00:43:46,042 --> 00:43:48,670
at its core
923
00:43:48,712 --> 00:43:52,507
was the fact that
Hulk turned his back
924
00:43:52,549 --> 00:43:55,593
on people who loved him
and supported him
925
00:43:55,635 --> 00:43:56,803
as a character.
926
00:43:56,845 --> 00:43:59,639
And in creating a mystery,
927
00:43:59,681 --> 00:44:01,850
getting the audienceto ask questions,
928
00:44:01,891 --> 00:44:03,351
blurring the line,
929
00:44:03,393 --> 00:44:06,354
which I will admit now
that the, you know,
930
00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:08,898
litigation is far behind us.
931
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:11,693
You know, creating that feeling
932
00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:14,029
of not being surewhat we're seeing
933
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:16,031
is real or make-believe.
934
00:44:16,072 --> 00:44:19,409
- For Hollywood,every night's a main event.
935
00:44:19,451 --> 00:44:21,411
Every night's a payoff.
936
00:44:21,453 --> 00:44:23,955
And every night'sanother trip to the bank.
937
00:44:23,997 --> 00:44:26,624
- It was genuine betrayal
938
00:44:26,666 --> 00:44:31,046
and the hatethat surely follows.
939
00:44:31,087 --> 00:44:34,215
It was a thing of beauty,
940
00:44:34,257 --> 00:44:37,469
if I do say so myself.
941
00:44:38,261 --> 00:44:41,598
- It's the most cunning
that will survive.
942
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,975
- What are we to thinkof the duplicitous Hulk Hogan?
943
00:44:44,017 --> 00:44:46,978
Is he the icon who inspireda generation of Hulkamaniacs
944
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,105
to say their prayersand eat their vitamins?
945
00:44:49,147 --> 00:44:52,275
A superhero who made it coolto be the good guy?
946
00:44:52,317 --> 00:44:54,736
Or is he the nefariousHollywood Hogan
947
00:44:54,778 --> 00:44:57,739
who became intoxicatedwith his own power and fame
948
00:44:57,781 --> 00:45:00,784
to the extent he brought downan entire company?
949
00:45:00,825 --> 00:45:02,160
Either way,
950
00:45:02,202 --> 00:45:04,788
for the most belovedsuperstar of a generation
951
00:45:04,829 --> 00:45:07,791
to become the most prolificvillain of the next
952
00:45:07,832 --> 00:45:09,626
is an amazing feat.
953
00:45:09,668 --> 00:45:13,755
If you really wanna knowwhat evil lurks around you,
954
00:45:13,797 --> 00:45:17,759
take a closer look insidethe heart of your heroes.
955
00:45:17,801 --> 00:45:19,344
- I am the master
956
00:45:19,386 --> 00:45:21,763
of the mental gameof wrestling.
957
00:45:21,805 --> 00:45:23,890
To maneuver peoplelike puppets,
958
00:45:23,932 --> 00:45:26,434
to financially takewhat I want,
959
00:45:26,476 --> 00:45:27,811
there's nobody better.
960
00:45:27,852 --> 00:45:28,978
Batter up!
961
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:31,022
And each and every timeI hit an arena,
962
00:45:31,064 --> 00:45:33,525
I made sure I left my mark.
963
00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:35,402
Because I gave wrestling
something
964
00:45:35,443 --> 00:45:36,861
that nobody else
could've given it.
965
00:45:36,903 --> 00:45:38,613
I gave it life,
966
00:45:38,655 --> 00:45:41,533
and wrestling will live forever
because of me.
967
00:45:41,574 --> 00:45:43,868
- The preceding announcementhas been paid for
968
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:45,829
by the New World Order.
74366
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