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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,190 --> 00:00:06,570 On this special episode of America Unearthed, we investigate a 2 00:00:06,570 --> 00:00:09,770 theory about the alleged murder of an American icon. 3 00:00:11,430 --> 00:00:13,710 Some images may be disturbing. 4 00:00:13,950 --> 00:00:15,770 Viewer discretion is advised. 5 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:37,850 The history that we were all taught growing up is wrong. 6 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:41,530 My name is Scott Wolter, and I'm a forensic geologist. 7 00:01:42,350 --> 00:01:45,530 There's a hidden history in this country that nobody knows about. 8 00:01:45,790 --> 00:01:48,210 There are pyramids here, chambers. 9 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Tombs, inscriptions, they're all over this country. 10 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,280 We're going to investigate these artifacts and sites, and we're going to 11 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,280 the truth. 12 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,540 Sometimes history isn't what we've been told. 13 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:12,480 He's one of America's most legendary explorers, Meriwether Lewis. 14 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:17,960 Hand -picked by President Thomas Jefferson in 1803 to team up with 15 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,900 to map out the land acquired in the Louisiana Purchase. 16 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,380 The area was enormous, reaching from Louisiana up to what is now Montana. 17 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,620 Jefferson hoped they'd find a direct water route to the Pacific, create a map 18 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:38,520 the area, and catalog new species of plants and animals in the region. 19 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,680 But there has always been some who believe there was more to their 20 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,440 I got a call from a journalist friend who said he had something interesting to 21 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:50,440 show me. 22 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,560 I've got something I want to show you here. 23 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Take a look at this. And I borrowed these books and I want to show them to 24 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:15,280 What is this? What you're holding there is the first edition of the Corps of 25 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,680 Discovery by Lewis and Clark. 26 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,700 Really? Yeah. Wow. 27 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,140 This is amazing. 28 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,260 Does this chronicle everything that they saw? Well, see, that's the point. It 29 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:26,980 may not chronicle everything. 30 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:32,480 What do you mean by that? Well, it means that there are missing pages in 31 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Meriwether Lewis's journals. 32 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:38,260 Do we have any idea what is in those missing pages? We don't have any idea 33 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:43,700 what's in it, but he could have known something. He could have found something 34 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:50,040 that would be so frightening to that day and age that somebody 35 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,160 might want to kill him for it. 36 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,400 Okay, I know that he died in 1809, and this would have been about three years 37 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,360 after they came back from the expedition. 38 00:04:01,900 --> 00:04:05,200 I thought it was suicide. That's what I've always heard. It's the prevailing 39 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,960 theory. And that's where the evidence seems to point. 40 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:12,480 We do know that Thomas Jefferson tasked the Corps of Discovery and Lewis and 41 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,740 Clark with finding out about tribes and the flora and the fauna in the West. 42 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:23,000 But he also tasked them with something very unusual. 43 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,960 He said, I want you to look for any possibility of Welsh settlement. 44 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:32,569 In the West. 45 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:33,570 Pre -Columbian Welsh? 46 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:37,250 Pre -Columbian Welsh. Let's say they found that. 47 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:42,410 Well, if they had that information, if Meriwether Lewis possessed that in his 48 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:46,550 journals and it didn't appear it was part of the missing, then we'd take the 49 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:52,690 whole idea of American colonial history, our very foundation, and toss it out 50 00:04:52,690 --> 00:04:53,690 the window. 51 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:58,670 Wow. That kind of a discovery could have gotten Lewis killed. 52 00:04:59,050 --> 00:05:00,150 You know what we call that? 53 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,100 It's a shocking theory. Did Thomas Jefferson send Lewis and Clark on a 54 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:13,480 mission? Did the president want them to find out whether the Welsh were here 55 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,940 before the original colonists? 56 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:18,500 And could whatever Lewis found have led to his murder? 57 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:24,280 Well, this is really fascinating stuff. 58 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,220 But I'm a geologist. 59 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,520 I was looking for a geologist because I think one of the answers rests in a 60 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:40,140 stone. And if it's authentic, may suggest some evidence of pre 61 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:43,020 -Columbian Welsh settlement in the United States. 62 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:45,460 It's called the Brandenburg Stone. 63 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,700 And I'd like you to take a look at that. Where is the stone? 64 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:50,920 In Kentucky. 65 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,580 After talking to Don, it seems like there's a lot we actually don't know 66 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:13,460 America's most well -known explorer. 67 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Like whether Meriwether Lewis ended his own life, or whether someone ended it 68 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,040 for him. 69 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:25,560 If he found evidence the Welsh were in America in pre -Columbian times, it 70 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,880 mean they staked a prior claim to the land. 71 00:06:28,340 --> 00:06:34,160 Land Jefferson just spent $15 million on in a move that would double the size of 72 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,160 the United States. 73 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,260 The missing journal pages could be a clue. 74 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:41,220 And so could this Brandenburg stone. 75 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:48,200 A stone inscribed with what could be a land claim and possibly written in 76 00:07:26,060 --> 00:07:30,120 Jerry, what's been the reaction to the stone? Some people believe the stone is 77 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,140 ancient. Well, some people dismiss it. I think it's entirely possible that it's 78 00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:36,140 an ancient inscription. 79 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,080 This is an amazing stone, and this inscription here especially is really 80 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,840 amazing. You know, a couple things just right off the bat. This is the first 81 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,060 time I've ever looked at this stone. 82 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,020 First of all, these are limestones, probably oolitic limestones. 83 00:07:51,770 --> 00:07:56,190 And if you look very closely, you'll see what looks like little sand grains. 84 00:07:56,390 --> 00:08:01,430 They're actually sand of limestone, and they're called oolites. When I look down 85 00:08:01,430 --> 00:08:06,510 into the grooves, I can see some of those ooids. So that's an indication of 86 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:10,250 weathering. Based on everything I've seen, we're not looking at a hoax here. 87 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:12,570 Does anybody know what this inscription says? 88 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,580 It's been translated as a property boundary, a land claim stone. And if 89 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:24,000 the case, then certainly this would indicate a possible ancient or prior 90 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,700 If Lewis found something like this, indicating that other people came to 91 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:34,400 America prior to Columbus, prior to this land acquisition, if they knew 92 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,900 something about what was in Lewis's diary, that could have gotten him 93 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:40,039 Quite possibly. 94 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,679 Where this whole thing started for me, a good friend of mine suggested I come 95 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,480 and look at this stone after we looked at Meriwether Lewis's journal. 96 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:48,700 Oh, yeah. 97 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,740 Some of the pages in that journal have gone missing. And maybe the reason is 98 00:08:54,740 --> 00:09:00,340 because during the expedition, he found something that indicated pre -Columbian 99 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:01,340 contact. 100 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:06,720 This could actually call into question the whole legitimacy of the United 101 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,720 States. 102 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,180 I'm investigating whether famed explorer Meriwether Lewis was murdered. 103 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:38,260 One theory is that his killing was motivated by evidence he may have 104 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:39,260 on his expedition. 105 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:43,140 Evidence about voyages to America by the ancient Welsh. 106 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,760 It may seem far -fetched, but for hundreds of years, there have been 107 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,700 Welsh explorers coming to the New World prior to Columbus, even intermingling 108 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:54,700 with native tribes. 109 00:09:56,110 --> 00:10:00,570 Some say the Welsh left a land claim behind in the form of an artifact called 110 00:10:00,570 --> 00:10:01,870 the Brandenburg Stone. 111 00:10:03,070 --> 00:10:07,710 I examined this clue and saw evidence of weathering that takes a long time. 112 00:10:08,430 --> 00:10:13,590 But now I need to see where it came from, a place called Paradise Bottom. 113 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:24,210 Today, Paradise Bottom is a quarry. The Brandenburg Stone is oolitic limestone. 114 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:26,090 And that's what I'm looking for here. 115 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:31,510 If the stone is really a Welsh land claim, whoever carved it would have used 116 00:10:31,510 --> 00:10:32,510 local rock. 117 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:36,690 I'm meeting with Lee Pennington, who knows exactly where the Brandenburg 118 00:10:36,690 --> 00:10:37,690 was found. 119 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:42,710 And maybe a little something about how it figures into the mystery of 120 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:43,710 Lewis's death. 121 00:10:48,110 --> 00:10:50,650 I understand you're an expert on the Brandenburg Stone. 122 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:54,530 Well, I've been researching it over the past 20 years, so I do know a little bit 123 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:55,530 about it. Okay. 124 00:10:55,550 --> 00:11:00,770 I'm also investigating it, and it's possible tied to the death of Meriwether 125 00:11:00,770 --> 00:11:02,750 Lewis. Well, certainly could have a connection. 126 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:07,350 Okay. My understanding is that the Brandenburg Stone was found somewhere 127 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:08,670 here where this quarry is now. 128 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:12,870 The Brandenburg Stone evidently rolled down from the top of this bluff to the 129 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:15,070 edge of the road there. I want to see... 130 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,300 If the stone that I've looked at matches the rock that's here. 131 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:36,100 Well, you know, Lee, I wanted to ask you. 132 00:11:36,670 --> 00:11:40,010 what your thoughts were about pre -Columbian Welsh that came to America. 133 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:45,530 I think that's the very group that carved the Vandenberg Stone. 134 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:51,410 Information that I discovered in Wales indicates that in the 6th century, the 135 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:54,030 fleet of 700 ships came to this continent. 136 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:58,390 And I think that group of people intermingled with the Mandans. 137 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:03,090 The Mandan were a Native American tribe who lived along the Missouri River and 138 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:04,890 eventually settled in the Dakotas. 139 00:12:05,390 --> 00:12:08,990 For hundreds of years, some people have remarked that they have European 140 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:11,790 features and that they spoke Welsh. 141 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:17,210 What about some hard, physical, tangible evidence? Well, we got one thing in 142 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:21,550 particular with the Mandans, where those boats that they had, the bull boats, 143 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:26,910 are identical with the coracles in Wales. Both were made with animal hides 144 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:28,350 stretched over wooden frames. 145 00:12:29,050 --> 00:12:30,510 Well, that's interesting, Leah. 146 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,040 Maybe all of that stuff proves that there was an early Welsh visit that came 147 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,940 North America hundreds of years before Columbus. Well, certainly one piece of 148 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:39,940 the puzzle. 149 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,100 This is what we're looking for. It's a very specific, unique kind of limestone. 150 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,120 It's an oolitic limestone, and when you look closely on a broken surface, you 151 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,680 will see a little rounded grain. 152 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:54,820 All right, Lee, let's find a match. 153 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:26,720 I think we got it. I can say with reasonable certainty that whoever carved 154 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,080 Brandenburg Stone found a rock in this vicinity and carved it. But I tell you 155 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,180 what now has suddenly become very important is we really need to 156 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:36,280 that inscription says. 157 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,280 If everything that we've talked about, the rock is here, the Brandenburg Stone, 158 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:45,040 the Welsh, if that's all connecting here, it's possible that Meriwether 159 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,400 found some of that evidence. 160 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,040 And if he did... 161 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Could that be a reason why some people, perhaps factions within our government, 162 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:55,160 would want him murdered? 163 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:59,640 Well, I certainly think it was murder. The circumstances surrounding his death 164 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,840 is just the farthest thing from suicide from my perspective. 165 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:08,960 He was shot twice. It's difficult for a person committing suicide to shoot 166 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,120 himself once and then turn around and shoot himself again, with his old guns 167 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,680 especially. And there's this business of the missing pages. 168 00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:22,510 of the diary if there was something there that he found on on that 169 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:26,450 perhaps evidence of the wells wouldn't be a shock to me at all that there were 170 00:14:26,450 --> 00:14:30,170 people at the highest levels of our government that could have been behind 171 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:33,590 murder of one of america's greatest and most beloved heroes 172 00:14:49,420 --> 00:14:50,299 Hey, Don. 173 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:53,480 Hey, Scott. I just wanted to know how things are going down in Kentucky for 174 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,020 Well, I tell you what, everything's going great here. I had a chance to look 175 00:14:57,020 --> 00:15:00,040 the Brandenburg Stone, and it's very interesting. 176 00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:02,800 It does show some evidence of weathering. 177 00:15:03,220 --> 00:15:04,220 That's exciting. 178 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:08,260 Hey, is there anything I can do to help? Well, I tell you what there is. 179 00:15:09,260 --> 00:15:12,500 I'm wondering if you can help me figure out what the inscription says. 180 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:17,720 I did take some photos, and I will send them to you, and if you can help me out, 181 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,760 that'd be great. I will. 182 00:15:25,530 --> 00:15:31,030 If there's any connection between Meriwether Lewis's death and possible 183 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:34,350 -Columbian wells coming here, I'm going to get to the bottom of it. 184 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,480 I'm investigating the death of famous explorer Meriwether Lewis. 185 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,660 I've learned that Thomas Jefferson asked Lewis to look for evidence the Welsh 186 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:59,760 made it to America before Columbus. 187 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:07,680 I think there's reason to believe Lewis might have found that evidence and wrote 188 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,700 about it in his journal, pages of which mysteriously disappeared. 189 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:19,120 If Lewis did find evidence the Welsh were here, It might be motive for his 190 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,420 murder because it would call into question the ownership of the early 191 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:27,860 colonies and the land Jefferson bought in the Louisiana Purchase. 192 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:32,460 Land that Lewis set out to explore right from this very spot. 193 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:37,500 I'm looking into the death of Meriwether Lewis. 194 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:41,590 And some people believe that he was murdered. Others think that he took his 195 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:44,730 life. Well, you've certainly come to the right place because it was here at the 196 00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:50,330 Falls of the Ohio in October of 1803 that Lewis and Clark met to form one of 197 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:52,630 most famous partnerships in American history. 198 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:55,250 Why don't we go on down towards the falls? Sounds good. 199 00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:58,210 They set off down the Ohio and up the Mississippi. 200 00:16:58,550 --> 00:17:02,630 Eventually, in 1804, they went up the Missouri River. They wintered with the 201 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:03,630 Mandan Indian. 202 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:07,369 And then the next year, 1805, they go all the way to the Pacific Ocean. 203 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:11,440 Can you imagine back then what was going through the minds of these guys before 204 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,140 they took off? I mean, for all they knew, there was a good chance they were 205 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:15,999 never coming back. 206 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Well, they didn't know that. They may never come back. They were going into 207 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,260 unknown, the wilderness. They didn't know what would be around the next bend 208 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:26,020 the river, over the next mountain. And to think that they did come back, all 209 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:29,260 except one man. And he died of natural causes. 210 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Yeah. It's incredible how successful it really was. Yeah. 211 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:39,300 What were some of the motivations in Thomas Jefferson's mind behind the Lewis 212 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:40,300 and Clark expedition? 213 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:47,140 Well, he very quietly had $2 ,500 appropriated for the expedition. And 214 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:50,760 actually before the Louisiana Purchase was made. 215 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,440 Ever since Jefferson was a young man, he wanted to know what was out west. 216 00:17:56,010 --> 00:17:59,790 What was to that unknown beyond the Mississippi River? What were the native 217 00:17:59,790 --> 00:18:03,930 peoples like? Did the native peoples have agriculture, better plants that 218 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:05,630 actually help the American farmers? 219 00:18:05,970 --> 00:18:11,970 The geography, the geology, even thoughts of mastodons. You know, were 220 00:18:11,970 --> 00:18:14,990 extinct? And then it actually became national security. 221 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:19,330 And Jefferson had a fear of the British and coming out of Canada. And what they 222 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:20,990 might want to do, would they hem in? 223 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,980 this young American republic, and keep them from growing and going all the way 224 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:27,360 to the Pacific Ocean. 225 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:35,160 So, Jim, another thing. Many people believe that Jefferson told Lewis and 226 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,240 to go looking for evidence of Welsh contact amongst the natives. 227 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,860 Did they ever find anything? 228 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:44,440 Well, the legend of the Welsh Indians, the Mandan Indians. 229 00:18:45,020 --> 00:18:49,380 And Lewis and Clark never specifically said that they did find that. Now, when 230 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:53,600 they got further west in the Rocky Mountains among the Flathead Indians, 231 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,020 the men commented that their dialect sounded a lot like the Welsh. 232 00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:02,520 If Lewis and Clark had found evidence of pre -Columbian Welsh contact and were 233 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,680 on the way to bringing that back, couldn't that have strengthened the 234 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,260 claim to the western territories? 235 00:19:08,540 --> 00:19:12,100 And could that also have made Lewis possibly a target? 236 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,080 Because he had this information in his journal. Maybe there were people within 237 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,120 the U .S. government that wouldn't want that to come out. What do you think of 238 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:21,120 that? It's a conspiracy. 239 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,160 Maybe. And that's a theory. 240 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:28,240 And it could or should be investigated. I think perhaps there are. 241 00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:32,430 missing parts of his journal. Some things that we know he should have been 242 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:33,850 writing about aren't there. 243 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:37,350 There's some gaps that just don't seem to hang together. 244 00:19:37,570 --> 00:19:41,490 That brings another question. When I think about his death, you know, was it 245 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:42,690 murder? Was it suicide? 246 00:19:42,970 --> 00:19:46,690 And could what was in those papers have led to his death? 247 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:53,730 My own personal opinion is that he had a breakdown and decided to end his own 248 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:54,730 life. 249 00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:59,300 When he comes back from the expedition, things just don't seem to connect for 250 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:03,820 him. He has just kind of a whole cascading number of problems. 251 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,900 He was drinking too much. He was self -medicating with the opiates. 252 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,140 At Grinders Stand along the Natchez Trace in Tennessee, about 70 miles 253 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:19,780 of Nashville, he has his final breakdown. 254 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:37,690 Lewis was shot twice, once in the head and once in the body. And I've read 255 00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:42,550 part of his skull actually was blown off. And if he was shot first in the 256 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:46,210 I have an awful hard time believing somebody's going to keep going and shoot 257 00:20:46,210 --> 00:20:48,330 themselves in the body if their brain's exposed. 258 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:51,230 But there are people out there who believe he was murdered. 259 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:52,590 Who is that? 260 00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:53,910 The Lewis family. 261 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:16,410 Was Meriwether Lewis murdered at an inn on the Natchez Trace? 262 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:22,090 He died in the fall of 1809, just three years after returning from his 263 00:21:22,090 --> 00:21:23,330 exploration of the West. 264 00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:28,330 If he was killed, could the motive have been something controversial he found 265 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:29,330 during his expedition? 266 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:35,090 I've met people who believe that Lewis did find evidence of pre -Columbian 267 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:40,430 in America, and that he wrote about it in his journal, pages of which are now 268 00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:41,430 missing. 269 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,040 If he did find evidence like the Brandenburg Stone, which some believe is 270 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,900 Welsh land claim, it would call into question the ownership of the land the 271 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:54,620 United States was founded on and could provide a motive for murder. 272 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,100 I've heard that Lewis's own family members insist their famous relative 273 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,380 commit suicide, but was shot dead by someone else. 274 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,460 Can you tell me how you related to Meriwether Lewis? 275 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:12,880 Well, his sister, Jane Lewis, was my great -great -great -grandmother. So he 276 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,960 my great -great -great -great -uncle. 277 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Okay. Hard to keep up with the great sometimes. I think I got that, though. 278 00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:21,620 What does the family think about his death? 279 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,260 Pretty much the family thinks that he would have been murdered. 280 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:27,900 You don't think he committed suicide? No, we don't. 281 00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:36,940 What do you know about some of the circumstances that led up to his death? 282 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:43,580 Well, after he came back from the expedition in 1806, he did get started 283 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:49,240 trying to publish the journals into a book. But he really didn't get that far 284 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:55,100 along with it. Sure. He was carrying his journals and going to Washington, which 285 00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:56,660 put him on the natural trace. 286 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,900 He stopped at a place called the Grinders Stand, which was run by the 287 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:06,670 Mrs. Grinder gave him a place to stay for the night. 288 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:15,790 In the middle of the night, the innkeeper heard several shots and found 289 00:23:15,790 --> 00:23:16,970 next morning dead. 290 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:25,210 There were no first -hand witnesses that actually saw the... 291 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:32,540 His death or the shots ring out? No, she heard the shots, but she did not see 292 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:34,240 them actually occur. 293 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,780 And so she did not know who actually pulled the trigger. 294 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:43,660 So what are the things make you think it wasn't a suicide? 295 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,660 Well, one thing, there were two shots or maybe three. 296 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,960 One was to the head, which by some accounts partially took his brain out, 297 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,420 abdomen wound, which is kind of strange for someone committing suicide. 298 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,540 He was overheard talking. 299 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,780 He may have been talking to someone else, or maybe he was just practicing 300 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:13,760 he was going to say when he got to Washington, or, you know, we really 301 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,800 know exactly what he was saying. 302 00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:22,350 Elements at high levels in our government, possibly even as high as 303 00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:25,690 Jefferson, may have been involved in the conspiracy to kill Lewis. 304 00:24:25,910 --> 00:24:30,890 Well, it's possible there was political intrigue. Some people suggest that he 305 00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:35,170 found evidence that the Welsh came to America prior to Columbus and placed a 306 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:35,929 land claim. 307 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:40,490 That might have been a reason for people to want to silence him. If that were 308 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:45,250 the case, I could see where that would be a problem for some people. A possible 309 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:49,160 motive. Has your family done anything to try to get to the bottom of this, maybe 310 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,920 an autopsy or exhuming his body? 311 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,680 The family has tried to have the body exhumed. 312 00:24:57,020 --> 00:25:03,800 The National Park Service is in charge of the land here, but to this point they 313 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,380 have refused to allow us to exhume the body. 314 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,340 I look at this, I see that pillar. 315 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,420 It's a broken pillar, and I'm sure that means something to you. 316 00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:18,360 Well, the broken pillar is to represent the life cut short, because Lewis's life 317 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,000 was definitely cut short. 318 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:26,260 Was he not also a Freemason? Yes, he was. He had joined, I think, 1796. 319 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:33,180 In fact, when he went to St. Louis, he founded a Mason's Lodge in St. Louis. 320 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:34,820 first lodge in St. Louis. Yes. 321 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:39,880 I don't really know that much about the Masonic practices, but I understand that 322 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,680 his apron is in Helena, Montana, at the lodge there. 323 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,600 It's reported that he had it with him at the time of his death, and there appear 324 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,060 to be bloodstains on it. 325 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:56,600 That's really important, because maybe if this thing was tested, we might be 326 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,780 able to find something out, for example, if there was a struggle. If we could 327 00:25:59,780 --> 00:26:03,140 get access to it and test it, we could do DNA on it. 328 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:08,800 another person other than his blood, we might be able to get to the bottom of 329 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,260 this mystery once and for all. 330 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,600 Oh, hey, guys. 331 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:56,260 Reid Gardner. Hi, Reid. The Grand Secretary and the Curator of the Museum. 332 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Nice to meet you. 333 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,940 I'm Scott Tom Chisholm, Grand Master of Masons in Montana. 334 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:04,940 So my understanding is Meriwether Lewis was a Mason at the time of the 335 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:09,820 expedition. So would that make him the first Freemason into what is now 336 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:15,680 Yes, I think that's true. It's been recorded that he was initiated in 1796 337 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,679 his first degree. 338 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,700 What is the mission? 339 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,920 of Freemasons. In the general sense, it's a fraternal organization that first 340 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:29,260 organized. modern versions of Freemasonry developed in the late 1700s 341 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:31,220 that traveled with the colonial concept. 342 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:35,620 And it really took off in the Americas because it fit the designs of the early 343 00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:37,860 nation and even the colonies at that time. 344 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:42,520 I'm here investigating the death of Meriwether Lewis, and I see the painting 345 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,180 the wall there. And I understand that his Masonic apron is here. Yes, that's 346 00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,740 correct. Why is that significant to a Freemason? 347 00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:55,280 Well, the apron is the badge of a Freemason. Every Mason, once he becomes 348 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,780 master Mason, receives an apron. And much later, they may acquire, through 349 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:02,640 means, a more decorative apron. The one that you're implying about, the long 350 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,480 Meriwether Lewis, was reportedly folded in a pocket of Meriwether Lewis when he 351 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,299 met his demise. 352 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,880 And is it true that there's bloodstains on it? There are. 353 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,360 Wow. Pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, it... 354 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:21,650 It's really something. I've heard so much about it. To see it for the first 355 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:23,050 time, it's really amazing. 356 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:26,050 Back in the 70s, we did have it tested. 357 00:28:26,650 --> 00:28:31,450 And at that time, they were only able to determine there was human blood and 358 00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:32,450 deer blood on it. 359 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:37,740 Wow. This apron represents one of America's greatest murder mysteries. 360 00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:43,880 And what I would really like to be able to do, with your permission, is to take 361 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,840 a sample of this blood. I think we can answer this question about how did this 362 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,840 man die. 363 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:53,340 I'm not certain that that's a good idea. 364 00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:59,170 I'm comfortable with that. You know, you can see on the left side there, when 365 00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:03,310 they did the testing in the 70s, they literally picked up the apron, held it 366 00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:08,190 over a beaker, and poured water through the blood to collect the sample. You can 367 00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:10,590 see that there's the stain on the side. 368 00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:15,710 Well, that was back in the 70s. All we need to do is take a very fine swab and 369 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:19,790 barely touch the surface and collect some of the blood. Yeah, but as Grand 370 00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:23,730 Master of Masons in Montana, I'm responsible for all of these artifacts 371 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:24,730 museum. 372 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:30,630 This is quite an undertaking you're asking of us here. We certainly wouldn't 373 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:34,590 want to send it out either because, I mean, this is over 200 years ago. It is 374 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:36,650 extremely fragile and delicate. 375 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:41,450 Oh, I can appreciate that. And believe me, I understand and I respect your 376 00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:44,870 concerns. This is a critical piece of American history right here. 377 00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:50,490 If you're willing to grant me permission to test the blood on this apron, we 378 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:54,170 finally have a chance to get the history straight about whether or not. 379 00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:55,830 Meriwether Lewis was murdered. 380 00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,700 Well, as you guys know, there are many people that believe that Meriwether 381 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:34,700 took his own life. 382 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,580 But there's a lot of evidence that I've seen and people that believe that he may 383 00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:40,319 have been murdered. 384 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440 And that's the question we're trying to answer here. 385 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,880 And really, the key, I think, is in the blood. This testing I'm talking about is 386 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,080 not invasive. All we would do is take a swab and just get a small sample. 387 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,380 It could get us the answer that we're looking for. 388 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,460 We're referring to an artifact that is not only family heritage, a Montana 389 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:06,460 artifact. This is something that belongs to the nation. This is a national 390 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:10,800 artifact that you're talking about. And I appreciate your point that this is an 391 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,800 American treasure. 392 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,480 But I also think it's important for Americans and the world to know what 393 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,460 happened to this man. And if it was murder, why was he murdered? And this is 394 00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:25,540 critical test that we can perform that might be able to help us answer this 395 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:26,540 question. 396 00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:29,790 Testing can be done on site. We can do it right here, yeah. 397 00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:37,350 Well, I think as Grand Master, in speaking for everybody in Montana 398 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:41,130 of the respect that's due to the history of the artifact, and more importantly, 399 00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:45,410 the honor that's due to Meriwether Lewis as a Freemason, I'll grant you 400 00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:46,590 permission to take your samples. 401 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:49,890 Thank you. Thank you so much. This is great. 402 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:16,420 With the blood sample from the apron sent off to the lab, we finally have a 403 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:18,620 chance to shed more light on Lewis's death. 404 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,000 If he shot himself, it stands to reason only his blood would be on the apron. 405 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,880 But if he was shot during a struggle, someone else's blood might be on there 406 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,000 too. Either way, it's a clue to the mystery surrounding his death. 407 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Another clue may be the Brandenburg Stone. 408 00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:42,990 an artifact thought to prove that the ancient Welsh claimed the New World long 409 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:43,990 before Columbus. 410 00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:49,550 My analysis of the stone's weathering suggests it could have been carved 411 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:54,770 1492, but there's no way to get a more precise date because it was taken out of 412 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:57,710 its original environment and its provenance isn't clear. 413 00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:02,450 But understanding what the stone says and the language it was written in could 414 00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:06,870 help me prove whether this was the kind of evidence Jefferson asked Lewis to 415 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,870 discover. 416 00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:15,330 I've got a lot to tell you. I've got a lot to tell you, but I want you to go 417 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:16,470 first. Okay. 418 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:23,250 I just got back from Montana, where I was able to obtain a sample of blood 419 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:25,490 Meriwether Lewis' Masonic apron. 420 00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:31,640 Wow. We sent that sample of blood off to the Lakehead Paleo DNA lab in Thunder 421 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,300 Bay, and we're hoping that when those results come back, if there's a second 422 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:41,400 person, somebody else's blood that is on that Masonic apron, it could indicate 423 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,660 that there was somebody else in that room the night he died. 424 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Unbelievable. 425 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,540 I've got the translation of the stone. 426 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:58,560 It says, toward trying to promote immunity, divide the land we are spread 427 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,800 purely between offspring is wisdom. 428 00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:03,260 Divide the land? 429 00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:05,520 This sounds to me like a land claim, Doc. 430 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,800 Here's the problem. 431 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,900 It's not ancient Welsh. 432 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:19,199 It's not? No. It is in a language called Cobran, and it was invented in the 18th 433 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,199 century. 434 00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:25,690 It was invented by a guy named Edward Williams. He was a Welsh poet. 435 00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:33,050 And he also was, and you won't like this, one of Wales' greatest 436 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:34,190 forgers. 437 00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:39,870 So this is not ancient Welsh. 438 00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:46,489 Well, let me add one more point. Edward Williams was also a man given to getting 439 00:34:46,489 --> 00:34:48,770 high on laudanum. 440 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,139 And that is basically liquid heroin. 441 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,480 Really? 442 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,880 This is a crazy story. It looks like we can't use this artifact as part of our 443 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,320 evidence of this possible Welsh contact. 444 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:08,140 Just because this does not appear to be authentic doesn't mean the Welsh weren't 445 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:12,660 here because there is other information, eyewitness accounts from explorers that 446 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:15,820 ran into Indian nations that had... 447 00:35:17,009 --> 00:35:22,090 European features, light skin, light hair, sometimes blue eyes, particularly 448 00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:23,350 Mandan nation. 449 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:28,430 But let me ask you about this. What do you think about the whole Welsh theory? 450 00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:32,370 I've been looking at that for quite some time, but there's no real way to know 451 00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:36,390 for sure because there is not a lot of evidence that exists to this day. 452 00:35:37,050 --> 00:35:38,370 Have you heard of John Dee? 453 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:42,830 Absolutely. I've heard of John D. His name has come up a number of times in my 454 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:47,290 investigations. I know him very well. Well, John D., based on the research 455 00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:52,690 I've done, may have been responsible for the claim that the Welsh arrived in the 456 00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:55,990 New World prior to Columbus's discovery. 457 00:35:56,570 --> 00:36:02,870 And his motives were primarily political because being from the British Empire, 458 00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:07,150 he wanted to be able to establish that there was a British claim. 459 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:10,490 in the New World before Spain. 460 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:15,330 To hear you talk about that doesn't surprise me at all. But what we can be 461 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:18,010 specific about are these DNA results. 462 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:22,450 If we get results back that say that there was somebody else's blood on that 463 00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:26,550 Masonic apron, that could very well mean that someone else was there when 464 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:30,230 Meriwether Lewis died, and maybe that's the person that killed him. I've talked 465 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:34,510 to some forensic pathologists who say that if the sequence of events was a 466 00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:40,690 gunshot to the head, And that failing to work, losing, according to some people, 467 00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:45,330 a portion of his skull, exposing his brain, and then shooting himself below 468 00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:50,450 sternum, a gut shot, in other words, that that doesn't seem realistic. 469 00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:54,380 We're never going to be able to know for sure. Did he shoot himself in the head, 470 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,360 the stomach? We'll never know which came first. So that is why these test 471 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,480 results on the blood with the DNA are so important. 472 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:05,700 It may be the only piece of physical evidence that we're ever going to have 473 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:10,040 help us try to figure out what happened in the death of one of America's most 474 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,040 important heroes. 475 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,259 Hey, Keith. 476 00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:47,760 Oh, Scott. Good to see you again. Good to see you, too. 477 00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:52,840 These test results that we're about to get could open the door to a whole host 478 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,280 of questions about what happened the night Meriwether Lewis died. 479 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,380 You brought your family results, right? Yes, I was given a copy of the profile 480 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:04,120 of his family for comparison purposes. 481 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:08,480 You realize if these test results come back indicating that the blood is 482 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,100 somebody other than your relative, 483 00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:15,870 That's a big deal. Either way, I think it might raise more questions than the 484 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:19,550 exhuming of the body might be the only course left. 485 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:44,390 Well, Steve, you're going to look at these results to compare with what you 486 00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:48,490 So are you going to be able to tell us if there's a match with this family? 487 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:53,430 Yes, what I'm looking for is an exact match of the unique profile. 488 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:55,190 Well, Keith, are you ready? 489 00:38:55,630 --> 00:39:01,090 I'm ready to find out. You've got your family record there? Great. I have my 490 00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:04,410 results right here of the apron, and I'll make a comparison. 491 00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,310 So the faces are not a match. 492 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:26,730 What? 493 00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:32,450 This means that the Lewis family member is not related to the profile that we 494 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:33,610 recovered from the apron. 495 00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:37,230 Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're saying this is not Mary Weather Lewis's 496 00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:39,270 blood? Yes, that's correct. 497 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:42,330 Well, we do have more information. 498 00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:49,570 We analyzed two swabs, and on each swab, we got different DNA 499 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:54,900 profiles. Different human? Different human. The first swab contained one 500 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,920 individual, but the second swab was a mixture, meaning there's more than one 501 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,300 individual's DNA present. 502 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,560 What? 503 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:07,060 And none of those two profiles were a match to the Lewis family member. 504 00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:12,140 Keith? I don't know. It's incredible. 505 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,860 You didn't expect that, did you? Not really, no. 506 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:18,000 Wow, that's a big deal. 507 00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:23,720 The fact that you've got someone else's blood, possibly two people. At least 508 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:28,060 two. At least two. That, to me, really only points to the night that he died, 509 00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,540 that there may have been a struggle. 510 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,240 Didn't Mrs. Grinder say that she heard what she thought was arguing? 511 00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:34,780 Yes, she did. 512 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:38,200 Okay. That there may have been some other people there. 513 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,480 Not necessarily. 514 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:42,960 It could be two different individuals' blood. It could mean that... 515 00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:44,760 There was some kind of contamination. 516 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,640 The blood on the apron and somebody else spitting on it could be from a handler 517 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,479 over time. 518 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,480 Anything is possible. 519 00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:54,980 But the fact is, I mean, there was a lot of blood on that apron. 520 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,680 And I don't know how, why would he be carrying around a bloody apron that 521 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,720 somebody else's blood is on? There's no way a Mason would do that. A Mason would 522 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,640 keep his Masonic apron pristine. It's one of the most important things to 523 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,340 And to have it spattered with somebody else's blood. 524 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,060 has to mean it had to have happened that night. 525 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,300 The accepted story here is that Meriwether Lewis took his own life. I 526 00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,820 believe that before. I sure as heck don't believe it now. 527 00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:25,300 Right now, I would say it looks like murder to me. 528 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,460 And if so, there has to be a motive. 529 00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:29,380 And one of the motives... 530 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:34,990 to me, could possibly be something that Meriwether Lewis and William Clark found 531 00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:36,050 during their expedition. 532 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:41,210 Possibly evidence of pre -Columbian contact. Maybe even evidence of an 533 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:46,310 land claim that would certainly have been a motive for him to be killed. 534 00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:49,590 The families always thought that it's been murder. 535 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:54,190 And this could be a critical or crucial point. 536 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:57,530 Everybody thought and accepted that it was suicide. 537 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,520 No way. Not in my mind. It was murder. 538 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:10,900 Many people believe that the death of famed explorer Meriwether Lewis has 539 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,720 been an American murder mystery. 540 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:18,860 The circumstances of his death over 200 years ago still lead us to question if 541 00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:21,900 he actually committed suicide or was murdered. 542 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Lewis had a presidential mandate to search the American West for evidence of 543 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,980 ancient Welsh presence prior to Columbus. 544 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:34,780 Along the way, there were reports of natives who spoke Welsh and looked 545 00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:40,820 European. And missing sections of Lewis's journals tell me there is a 546 00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:46,100 motive. I believe that what Lewis discovered on his expedition could have 547 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:46,959 him killed. 548 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,310 Now. Testing that I've had carried out on the blood that stained Lewis's apron 549 00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:54,390 has proven the presence of more than one DNA profile. 550 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:58,770 I think someone else had to be there the night Meriwether Lewis died. 551 00:42:58,990 --> 00:43:03,470 And to me, the only reasonable explanation is that he was killed for 552 00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:08,510 found out. I believe my investigation has blown a hole in the history we've 553 00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:13,450 been told about what happened to one of our nation's most pioneering explorers. 554 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:16,290 Next time on America Unearthed. 555 00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:18,680 This is really an important group of artifacts. 556 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:25,300 That's 800 A .D. I want the answer of what these things are. 557 00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:26,740 Do you know what that is? 558 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,500 Oh, my God, I can't believe it. 559 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,180 If you have a mysterious artifact or site I need to see, I want to know about 560 00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:37,420 it. Go to history .com slash unearthed. 51398

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