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Now, I'll never forget, 12 or so years
ago, long after the Super Bowls was the
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90s, I had some cancer treatment.
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My doctors there at MD Anderson said
that you need to do a lot of meditation.
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And I said, well, I don't know how to
meditate.
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So they sent a doctor in and they
explained to me, make a list of 10
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People who can just boil your blood.
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Start with the one at the very top and
wish them the
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greatest things you possibly can wish
for.
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Greatest health, the greatest success.
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Everything that can possibly happen good
to somebody, wish that for them.
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And at number one, I wrote down the
name, Jimmy Johnson.
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I went back to my doctor a few weeks
later, and I told her, I can't get
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past that first motherfucker, is what I
replied back to her.
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There's trouble at the top of America's
team.
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A long -running feud between Jimmy
Johnson and team owner Jerry Jones
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exploded today.
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We're at a place called Pleasure Island.
You guys are having some drinks, and
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it's late. You guys are having a good
time.
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And then when we ran into him later that
night, Jerry was
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irritated. He said, I'm going to fire
that motherfucking Jimmy Johnson.
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Who's going to fire a guy who just won
back -to -back Super Bowls?
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This was Jerry's rejection that was
talking. It was not alcohol that was
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speaking. Then he gave us the vote.
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And he said, 500 coaches could win the
Super Bowl with this team.
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There are lines you can't cross, and
there was no turning back.
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Jimmy has released a statement. I'm
deeply hurt that after five years of
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commitment to the rebuilding of the
Cowboys that I have been treated in this
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way. In Jerry's mind, this team was so
talented, a team that he was a general
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manager of, that anybody could have
coached his team to the championship.
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He wanted more credit.
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How can you say 500 coaches when you
only have had one?
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Jimmy's not going anywhere because
Jerry's not stupid enough to let him.
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Troy Aikman said he might not have
signed his eight -year, $50 million
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if he knew that Jimmy Johnson's future
was in doubt.
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I think there was a lack of appreciation
for what we had accomplished and how
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hard it was to do what we had just done.
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I could not understand.
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How the hell are we taking a car to the
shop that was not broken?
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This is purplish bullshit.
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Is Jimmy going to be your coach, Jerry?
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We'll visit my dad as we go along with
the week.
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I said, you're the best at this, Dad.
You sit down with Jimmy and smooth it
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out. By 2 o 'clock, Johnson was headed
toward Jerry Jones' office, where the
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would meet for the next two hours and 30
minutes.
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I don't know any more than you all know.
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I mean, I really felt like they'd work
it out.
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The fact that they met today and will
meet again tomorrow is good news to you.
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If you have two parents, they're getting
a divorce.
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When you're young, you don't know why
they got a divorce.
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You just know that they got a divorce,
right?
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And I picked up the paper the next
morning.
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The headline was, Jones says my way or
the highway.
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And so the minute we saw each other that
next morning, we said, sit and go home.
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We have mutually decided that I would no
longer be the head football coach
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with the Dallas Cowboys.
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When you own something and someone is
worried about who's the boss, that
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really is almost... Let me back this up.
Yeah.
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You often hear when you have a tragedy,
someone takes their own life.
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Well, people look back and they say,
they were giving us warning signs.
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They had scratches on their wrists. They
had those kinds of things.
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Look back at that.
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I respect Jerry Jones.
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I like Jerry Jones.
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And I think he feels the same way about
me.
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We'll see.
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Let me go back again.
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I've had a tremendous respect for Jimmy
since I was 17 years old.
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And anytime you buy a football team, you
go get your best friend to coach it.
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Jimmy and I had come from some of the
greatest experiences you could ever have
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in college.
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And having had that euphoria of a
national championship together, nothing
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it.
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And again...
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Knowing that you just don't read about
that.
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That it actually can happen to you.
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That pained me.
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And I just wanted to recapture that.
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He wanted to be part of the team.
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And I understand, he's the owner, he
should be part of it.
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But by the same token, I'm the coach.
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I felt like maybe I could push through
and coach another year, but
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the more I looked into it, the more I
said, hey, I could hurt it more than I
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could help it.
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The problem came after we won the first
Super Bowl.
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We got to where we weren't communicating
like we did the first early years when
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we weren't winning.
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When you're 1 and 15, you don't have a
lot of friends, so we liked talking to
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each other.
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That old.
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a fraud called success pop up and
everybody get a little full of
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I and me, when I should have tolerated,
I didn't.
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I should have been more understanding.
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I was in my own little world and was
very comfortable in
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my little world.
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In Orlando, when he raises the glass and
proposes a toast, he wanted the
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acceptance. He wanted the validation of
those coaches.
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But if you're an owner, they'll never
treat you like you're one of them
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it's such a price to pay to win the
Super Bowl.
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You're probably going to be on your
third marriage, and your kids are going
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hate you because you were never there.
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They'll never feel like you earned the
right to backslap with them.
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But Jerry, he mortgaged his future for
this team. He brought in Jimmy Johnson,
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which people ridiculed then, the college
coach.
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He took a lot of gambles to make this
thing work.
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The team goes 1 -15.
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All the criticism is directed at Jerry
Jones.
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And he just stood there and took all the
plings and arrows.
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And now when they start winning...
Jimmy's getting all the credit, and
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kind of in the background, not getting
any credit. He couldn't live with that.
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The one thing that hurt me, really hurt
me,
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500 coaches couldn't coach that team to
a Super Bowl.
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And maybe they could have.
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But I took a lot of pride in putting
together that team, you know.
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And when you diminish that, that hurt
me.
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Shame on me.
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I grew careless.
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It wasn't like I wasn't trying to figure
through it.
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If we don't look out, we'll take
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one of the greatest stories that's ever
been told in sports, in my view.
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And we'd take all the positives of that.
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We'd take, there are no negatives when
you really look at it.
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If I'd have stayed with the Cowboys, I'd
have been miserable.
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And I'm no good to anybody if I'm not
enjoying it.
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Then it was time for me to move on.
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And what do you side with Johnson or
Jones in this? It is a sad day. Johnson
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built this team, and I don't think
that's something that Jerry Jones could
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with. Everywhere, hoping it all didn't
come crashing down.
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Jimmy wouldn't even be there if it
wasn't for Jerry. I've never liked Jerry
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Jones, and I like him even less now.
He's an owner who is insatiable.
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I come home that night and get in the
bed.
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Gene's laying there, not looking at me,
just looking at the ceiling.
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She says, you just can't help it, can
you?
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You just can't live with good, going
good.
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I said, you just can't do it.
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I said, here we are, I won two Super
Bowls, and you walk out there and make a
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change with the coach.
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You just can't handle some solid, really
good times.
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Now, I usually say that smiling and
laughing at her.
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I don't know why right now that I'm
getting sensitive about it.
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The artful thing that Jerry did in all
of this was, the story in the Dallas
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Morning News the next day, Barry
Switzer's the new Cowboys head coach.
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March 28th, 1994.
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I remember this because I'd had a
colonoscopy that morning.
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Anybody that's had a colonoscopy doesn't
forget a colonoscopy.
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When I got home, the phone rings.
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Jerry Jones wants to talk to you.
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Jerry said, do you want to coach the
Cowboys? I said, I didn't know the damn
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was open.
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He said, well, it's going to be open.
And I said, well, when it's open, give
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a call.
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That was my interview.
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Five years ago, I said, we will win.
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We must win, and winning is the name of
the game.
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Nothing has changed in five years with
the new head coach, Barry Switzer.
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I absolutely believe that the hire of
Barry Switzer was a little off towards
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Jimmy from Jerry.
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Barry was my freshman coach at the
University of Arkansas.
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Jimmy and Jerry played on the team, and
Switzer was on the coaching staff.
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Arkansas, we all had a good run
together.
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And then Barry went on to dominate
college football as the head coach at
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University of Oklahoma.
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His winning percentage of nearly 84%,
the fourth best in college history.
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Wherever I went, they knew who we were.
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They knew what Oklahoma did.
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Ironically, at the same time, Jimmy
Johnson was head coach at rival Oklahoma
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State. So if there's one game Jimmy
wanted to win every year, it would be
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Oklahoma. Who's the better coach here?
When he was at Oklahoma State, I was the
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better coach. When Jimmy was at Oklahoma
State, we beat him three years in a
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row. The Oklahoma Center is perhaps one
of the most talented college teams ever,
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the national champions.
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But then he went on to Miami from there.
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They beat my ass every year. The
Hurricane win a national championship
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Coach Jimmy Johnson.
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I thought you came to play football.
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I'm ready to go. I want to start
tomorrow.
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The call to choice controversial is an
understatement.
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Your starting quarterback was caught
selling cocaine.
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There was a shooting. There was a gang
raid.
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I was a bad boy. The press, they always
threw me in there when something
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negative happened.
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They said that cash and cars and airline
tickets wound up in the hands of
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players. When he stepped down after the
1988 season, Oklahoma was on probation,
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its image stained, and Switzer's too. He
has not coached since.
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I knew how controversial it would be.
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And he was ideal.
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This thing has a chance to really be
some fun.
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But Barry Switzer had been retired for
five years.
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Never even really aspired to coach in
the NFL.
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We've got a job to do and we're going to
do it, baby!
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You want me to prove that 500 guys could
win the Super Bowl with this team,
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Jimmy? I'm going to hire the guy who's
least likely to do it.
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Michael Irvin was visibly agitated.
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You brought in a guy that never coached
at that level?
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Jerry's the bad guy here, right?
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Jimmy's the good guy. I read the poll in
the paper today.
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You know, just want to take it one day
at a time and play it by ear.
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I didn't know what to make of it.
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I hope I can do as good a job as Jimmy
Johnson. That's what you're hoping, and
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that's damn sure what you're hoping.
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That's why I'm here.
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Hey, I'm going to redecorate Tom and
Jimmy's office.
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It's the Barry and Jerry show opening
today.
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And the pressure is on for a Super Bowl
three -peat. We're talking about the
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pressure to three -peat. We're looking
for a three -peat.
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Coach, welcome to your new home. Thank
you. It's good to be here, Jerry. Thank
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you for that opportunity.
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I've been to pro camps before, and, you
know, I didn't have these people walking
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backwards.
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I guess you'd call this a media circus
with about 300 credentials or so.
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All eyes are forced on Barry Switzer.
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I didn't think you'd be in my bedroom.
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That's a surprise.
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There was tremendous pressure.
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I mean, no other coach in the NFL had a
tougher job than what I had that year.
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There's all you media folks getting in
the way.
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Offensively, defensively, players were
all upset because Jimmy's gone, all
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This is going to be the most exciting,
this is going to be the most challenging
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camp that we've ever been a part of.
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I mean, I had a lot to overcome.
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We're going to do it my way, and that's
it. And let me go coach.
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Let me go do what I want to do.
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Not knowing how Barry's going to handle
the situation left
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everybody kind of in limbo.
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Because we had the same pieces of the
puzzle in place.
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All he had to do was just be the manager
of the team.
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and not mess the team up.
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He didn't know the players, he didn't
know the coaches, and he just got
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in on top of this great pyramid.
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I'm trying to match names with faces
right now. Jimmy was highly involved in
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almost every single drill. He would
interact, get in, fit the tempo.
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Where Barry has taken more of an
approach of allowing the coaches to be
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that fit the tempo, he's going to be an
evaluator.
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I remember the first day that Barry
Switzer was the head coach.
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Jerry was on the field with the coaches.
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It was a
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stark contrast to anything that had
happened in the first five years.
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I just remember thinking that things are
different going forward.
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Hey, coach.
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What is your job description for the
Dallas Cowboys? Well, I think that most
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people will say that I'm a puppet for
Jerry Jones, but that's not true. I'm
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going to be a football coach.
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A lot of guys liked him because now the
guys felt that they had freedom.
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Barry came into that locker room.
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The dynamics, the accountability, the
work ethic,
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that it changed.
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Michael Irvin took all the players out
on the town one night, and they were out
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partying all night long.
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I said, don't you guys have a curfew? He
goes, hey, switchers are cooked. Who
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cares?
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So we get to the practice field the next
day.
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You could tell. Everybody just hung over
like crazy.
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Barry just blows his whistle and says,
boys, go hit the pool.
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This is a resort town. I'm going to the
beach.
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We had moments like that.
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Hell, I hit the pool.
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Well, that's what I'm going to say.
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Barry just believed every man should be
able to take care of himself and get
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himself ready.
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Jimmy's going to ride it hard.
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Barry will trust you.
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I'm a positive reinforcement type of
guy.
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I'm not an ass chewer.
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No one likes to be hard, dog cussed and
all that.
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Everybody knows how I am.
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And then he had to come into the
organization, absorb Jimmy's staff.
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Not bring anybody with him.
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Some people have said to me, you've got
like five head coaches. Those guys and I
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get along great.
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Butch Davis thought he should have been
the head coach.
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Joe Avazano thought he should have been
the head coach.
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They were sniping behind his back all
the time. I'll think about firing
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tonight over there. And next thing I
know, he's punching me in the arm. I'm
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like, what's this goofy son of a bitch
doing?
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They know who the boss is, and I am the
boss. You know why? Because I came to
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Dallas with more money than Jimmy.
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And Dale didn't like that.
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And then it just became like a nine -and
-a -half -minute shouting match.
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It was a hard job, I think, for Barry to
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take.
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How is training camp?
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It's been long.
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The grind has gotten to some of our
players.
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It's gotten to me right now, and I'm
going to take a bite of this right here.
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What the hell is going on here?
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I guess I'm damn tired of this shit.
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The NFL season is underway, and with it,
the Barry Switzer era. Can Switzer hit
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the ground running in Dallas?
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Expectations are high.
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We are going to three -peat! We are
going to make history!
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Both Jerry Jones and Barry Switzer have
a lot on the line.
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Jerry said there are 500 coaches who can
win the Super Bowl with this team.
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I felt tremendous pressure that, hey, we
need to win this for Jerry.
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Goddamn it, we've got to play football!
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Goddamn football!
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Coach Swift walked past everybody and
walked over to me and said, whether we
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lose or not is on you because you're my
bell cow.
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And I'm going like, shit.
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Charles Haley sacks the quarterback four
times.
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I ain't thanking Charles to do that
every damn game.
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Good Lord, let's go get it done.
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That's what I said now. Hey,
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come and play.
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Uh -huh.
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And
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the
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hunt for the team's third trade trip to
the Super Bowl is up.
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If you're going to do something, you
want to be the best at it. And then if
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are the best at it, you want to be doing
it in a place where people appreciate
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it.
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It's part and parcel of Dallas, Texas.
If you win Super Bowl, snap your
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whatever you want, you'll have it in
your lap for free.
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And I put this thing on right here.
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It's like a key to the castle.
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I had my share of fun.
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Trust me, I did.
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I did.
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I wanted to get right there as a friend
as opposed to the boss that wrote the
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check. One night I found myself on the
back of Charles Haley's motorcycle.
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Man. And Jerry can drink.
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It was about 2 o 'clock in the morning.
He drove it inside this restaurant and
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made our rounds and then drove back out.
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Hey, it was crazy, man. They took over
the strip club.
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We would hit all the spots.
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Gather your friends and head on down to
where there's always a party going on.
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Collegial. The gentleman's club in
Dallas.
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We played hard.
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And the ball kicked off at the 48 -yard
line by James Ward.
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And then we played hard.
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That was the gladiator days. The
gladiator goes and have the great night
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he slays everything.
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We had our picks.
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at enjoying beautiful specimens God has
placed on this beautiful earth.
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Michael Irvin looked at us in the eye
and he said, if any of my teammates are
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saying we don't want to win three Super
Bowls in a row and be the first team to
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do that, they're lying.
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Cops knew, city officials knew, players
without question had a past.
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Jerry had guys to make sure that...
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You know, whenever things came up, they
would catch before it became something.
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And I knew how to call the fixture.
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If I got locked up two or three times,
that means I got let loose maybe a
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hundred times.
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They call it the fixture. I like the
unofficial guy that something he done or
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security thing, there's a problem, we'll
talk to Dennis, he'll fix it.
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And there was a little fender bender
with Emmett. Two different news crews
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showed up because it's the Cowboys.
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It turns into something else.
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There was this one night, I wasn't
drunk, but I had a few.
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And I see this cop car come from behind,
then gets in front of me, turn left,
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puts his blanket on the turn left.
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I make a right turn, he makes a right
turn, goes right by in front of my
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Dude, you just got escorted home by the
cop.
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And it just was crazy.
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Star.
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I mean, you can do nothing wrong.
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I mean, you can do nothing wrong.
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So you got to tell me, it doesn't seem
like people like talking about it, but
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what was your relationship with the
White House?
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If I explain my relationship to it, then
I'm going to incriminate myself on it.
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Eric,
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for my audience, what's the White House?
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You know what? I didn't visit.
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The White House is, you know.
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But why? Why can't you talk about it?
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Uh -uh.
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No, man.
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No.
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Bro, you're not going to get it.
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All right, who created the White House?
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Well, I think you have to ask the
players who owned it.
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I didn't own the White House.
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Okay, okay.
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I'll get into some stories for you.
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So I was the president of the White
House.
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We were like, man, we got a lot of money
on hotels with all of these women.
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So then we could, you know, do a house.
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I know it was across from the facility.
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It was behind Valley Ranch, where we
practiced at.
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Those guys live on the edge.
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Hell, they're supposed to be adult men,
married, most of them.
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You know, really, it was none of our
business. They're adults.
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We had five rooms, and it was whatever
you like, you could mingle with your
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liking.
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You know, in that room, you may be
smoking weed. This room, you may be
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exercise, whatever.
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You know, it's a group of girls in each
room, and you just kind of bounce from
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room to room.
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I would go in and just kind of make sure
everything was stocked, make sure
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everything's kind of cleaned up.
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One time, as I walk in, there's two
players on the couch.
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There's a girl there. They got their own
video cameras. I looked at them. They
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looked at me, and I was like, what are
you doing? I'm going to drop off the
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flicker. She said, well, drop it off.
And I'm like, well, what are you doing?
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They're all having sex on the couch.
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And she was very flexible.
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That was you trying to give us a safe
place for camaraderie. You know what I'm
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saying? They fly in warm start.
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Lisa Ann came in, and she would put on
shows at the house.
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And then we had landlines back then. And
they got all these crazy messages like,
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Hey, Michael, this is Courtney.
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I was calling to see what happened to
you that day.
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Hi, Michael, this is Amber. I was
calling to say hi.
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We no longer needed to go hunting.
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They came.
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Michael, I understand you've been with
my sister.
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I would like to talk to you.
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Win the game and win the park.
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That's the way Barry coached because
that's what he did.
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Is there an extra sense of satisfaction
for you to have made this incredible
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change and to have a team doing so well?
Is there a part of you that says, I
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told you so?
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It's almost going to be a disappointment
to a lot of our fans.
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After we had won
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two Super Bowls, I was sitting there.
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searching, hungry, waking up in the
middle of the night.
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How can I reach this intangible value
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that is out here throughout our sport?
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Well, I open my eyes and I get a call
from Rupert Murdoch.
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Football.
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It's what's valuable to television.
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When I came to America, I didn't know
anything about the game.
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But, you know, if you live here and you
start watching a few games, you get
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involved.
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Forbes magazine estimates his fortune to
be worth $4 billion.
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Of course, he didn't get there without
making a few enemies.
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After all, look what Murdoch had done to
the New York Post.
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He'd taken it beyond splashy to trashy.
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He is also the chairman and CEO of Fox
Broadcasting.
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The big stations were NBC, ABC, and CBS.
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Fox was the upstart.
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At first we had a smaller footprint,
stations in just a few major media
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but we needed a new plan.
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I don't think you're a network until you
have NFL.
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For 25 years, CBS.
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had absolutely been a leader in
presenting our games.
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But behind the scenes, the profits for
television have melted away. Rising
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broadcast fees have cost CBS $100
million over the last year.
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CBS was losing money on their NFL games,
and because they had such a long
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history with the NFL, some of the owners
were willing to take less.
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Not only was I against it, I worked.
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I felt death, forget, vote, stop it.
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For me, CBS didn't understand the value
of the NFL.
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00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:45,080
There's indirect value to having
something like the NFL.
443
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:51,100
It's a soap opera every week, and it has
a tremendous lift to a network.
444
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,920
Years before, I had owned a significant
interest in a TV affiliate in Little
445
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,920
Rock, Arkansas.
446
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:04,080
When the reruns of I Love Lucy came out,
that rerun was outrageously expensive.
447
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:05,780
It's so tasty, too.
448
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:09,020
And one station bought I Love Lucy
reruns.
449
00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:10,800
I called and said, why?
450
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:13,860
And they said, it's a lost leader.
451
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,380
I put it on right before the news.
452
00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:18,460
The audience stays on for the news.
453
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,300
I sell later ads.
454
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,780
I wish it was this easy to get money out
of Ricky.
455
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:28,260
I realized the NFL should not be
something that our networks.
456
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,120
make money off of, we should cost more
than that and be a loss later.
457
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,540
Jerry Jones and I together are risk
takers.
458
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,380
We're very optimistic about where we're
going with our new television agreement
459
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:43,800
that we're negotiating right now.
460
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,520
We know that we're the best product
there is in sports.
461
00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:50,180
And so all of this, I think, is going to
bode well for the NFL.
462
00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:56,640
The owners really didn't know who Fox
was. It really wasn't a network.
463
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:58,200
The NFL was saying,
464
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:03,870
You are only in 60 % of the country, and
no one will be able to see us.
465
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:08,750
Young people watch Fox programming, and
that seems to appeal to the advertisers.
466
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:14,070
I think everybody assumed Fox couldn't
put together the kind of production the
467
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:15,070
NFL needed.
468
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:18,830
They had developed quite the reputation.
469
00:31:19,270 --> 00:31:22,970
They had anti -family attitude, the
stereotypes of poor people.
470
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:27,370
You just wanted to keep the dignity.
471
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:28,950
Of the league.
472
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:30,490
Eat my shorts.
473
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:31,710
Eat your shorts!
474
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:37,130
And I told him, I said, Mr. Murdoch,
there was concern, but if we don't take
475
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:40,850
biggest offer, I will raise more hell
than you can count.
476
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:42,350
I'll assure you of that.
477
00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:45,750
We really needed him, so it had to be a
knockout bid.
478
00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:52,350
Mr. Murdoch opened his mouth, and the
words $1 .6
479
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:56,850
billion came out.
480
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:59,710
Sundays will never be the same.
481
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:03,830
CBS has been bringing professional
football into American living rooms for
482
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:05,170
nearly four decades.
483
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:09,250
And that will come to an end. We put on
such a big bid that we blocked him away
484
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:12,710
from the table. But that was a one and a
half billion dollar gamble.
485
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:16,990
It was a bold move, not just for Fox,
but for the NFL.
486
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:20,290
And Jerry was a big part of that. The
owners of the National Football League
487
00:32:20,290 --> 00:32:22,550
have spent the day trying to control one
of their own.
488
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:26,880
Fox viewed the NFL as a program that
could build their network.
489
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,240
By the time we get football, we would be
in 95 % of the country.
490
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,560
Fox is the new kid on the block, and
they have a lot of energy.
491
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:36,600
But you can't beat Madden.
492
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,100
Just to prove what we're serious, we
then hired John Madden with CBS.
493
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,600
When you look at the monetary commitment
that they made to the NFL, I think that
494
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,880
shows. But apparently, the best is still
yet to come. The pregame show.
495
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,100
was absolutely key. I had an idea in my
head of what I wanted.
496
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,300
An expert in offense, I wanted an expert
in defense, and I wanted a coach.
497
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:08,820
Since I left coaching, I haven't missed
that grind at all. Who needs it? Now
498
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:13,180
there's just me, a bucket of beer, and
the beach.
499
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,180
Now every new show, you gotta have a
little talent.
500
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,680
I'm gonna make sure I get along with
this boss.
501
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,660
Jimmy Johnson, ex -coach of the Dallas
Cowboys. Coach, we're thrilled to have
502
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:27,900
you. Which means fans in Dallas will
hear what their old coach, Jimmy
503
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:29,220
has to say on a weekly basis.
504
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:30,580
Have you thought about Dallas?
505
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:34,740
You haven't been following football,
have you? Barry Switzer says he expects
506
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:38,940
Johnson to criticize him throughout the
season. I'll do whatever I have to do to
507
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:40,160
be the very best in the business.
508
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:42,760
At this point, I don't see the
improvement.
509
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
It took me five years to put together
that football team. Time will tell for
510
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Barry Switzer.
511
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:59,230
A sellout crowd at Sun Devil Stadium in
Tempe, Arizona. It's the world champion,
512
00:33:59,450 --> 00:34:05,350
the Dallas Cowboys, to face the Arizona
Cardinals on a warm day, 86 degrees.
513
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:08,590
Well, I'll start by the game in Arizona.
514
00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:14,790
Anytime you play the Arizona Cardinals,
I don't care what their record is. It's
515
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:19,670
just something about playing those guys
that will put wear and tear on your
516
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:21,290
body. Just a physical team.
517
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:37,370
And I just remember being so tired after
that game. I think I took a couple of
518
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:43,870
Vicodin. We went from the airport to the
Iguana
519
00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:49,469
Mirage. I was at the bar with a couple
guys, and I had a couple drinks.
520
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,820
We had a good time at Aragon.
521
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,980
And I think we were all planning on
going to Eric's house.
522
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,480
I told Eric that he needed to ride with
me.
523
00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:03,740
And he didn't.
524
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,280
And I come, I said, where did he be?
525
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:08,940
He said, he's gone. I said, oh, shh.
526
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,780
As I'm driving, I was talking to my
oldest son's mother on the phone.
527
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:18,620
And I dropped the phone.
528
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:24,050
I go to pick the phone up, and the curve
is on me.
529
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:30,550
And I just put my hands up and said, I'm
dead.
530
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:42,030
Coming around the bend, Big E is in the
wall.
531
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:47,610
I'm running to the car, and I see Eric
still in the car.
532
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,160
I stopped.
533
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,000
My legs went numb.
534
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,400
I mean, shaking.
535
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:57,460
He was in bad shape.
536
00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:59,580
I thought we lost him.
537
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,660
The ass was in his head. Blood in his
face and everything.
538
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:06,420
I started to say, Eric, Eric, Eric.
539
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,760
And he didn't say anything.
540
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:13,380
I started to say, big fella, big fella,
get up.
541
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,138
Get up.
542
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:16,620
Get up. Get up.
543
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:23,000
All I remember is my face hitting the
windshield.
544
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:25,860
It was an unbearable pain.
545
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:27,880
My face was very hot.
546
00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:34,920
And then my knee, the pain in my knee
that I felt was just indescribable.
547
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:38,980
They were saying, you got to keep him
up. You can't let him go out. If he goes
548
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:42,820
out, I was holding his head and we were
trying to get him to the hospital.
549
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,420
You know, so I was just trying to keep
him up the whole ride.
550
00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:53,960
All -pro offensive tackle Eric Williams
suffered a broken rib, multiple facial
551
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
lacerations, torn ligaments in his left
thumb and right knee.
552
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,220
His coach got the news this morning.
553
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,500
Hopefully a wake -up call for him.
554
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880
Didn't look very good.
555
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Looked like he'd gotten a razor fight
without a razor.
556
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Switzer says it's likely Williams will
miss the rest of the season.
557
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,200
You lose a good player, you become
average in a hurry.
558
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,300
Biggie, that's all for that offensive
line.
559
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,080
He was our invincible man. He was the
dead guy.
560
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,740
Just a different whip without him.
561
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:33,120
To me, Eric Williams, who was lost to
the Cowboys for the season, was the best
562
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,920
offensive lineman in all of football. I
was going to say, he's a great one.
563
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,000
As the regular season continued, I could
tell that we were slipping in some
564
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,080
areas that we had not at prior times.
565
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:48,890
Now, I'm not saying they're not a good
football team, but they no longer appear
566
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:49,890
invincible.
567
00:37:50,350 --> 00:37:54,570
Nobody knew if Barry Switzer could take
this team and do something no one had
568
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:58,010
ever done, which would be to win three
straight Super Bowls. With the Dallas
569
00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:02,270
Cowboys, as talented as they are, it's
really the Super Bowl for that.
570
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:07,630
But we just weren't as focused on
football as we could be. They lost the
571
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:09,430
right tackle when they lost Derrick
Williams.
572
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:14,270
That's a sizable hole. That was always
the challenge after Jimmy left.
573
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:18,770
You know, I wonder, Jimmy, if maybe you
wouldn't want to go back down to Dallas.
574
00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:19,810
What do you do? Buy the team?
575
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,730
They're probably happy that I'm here
because if I was back in Dallas, I'd
576
00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:26,450
be grinding. I'd still be working.
577
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:33,850
The end of the season, we went four and
three, and that's not how you get to a
578
00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:34,850
Super Bowl.
579
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:37,870
This is where Barry Switzer is going to
be judged.
580
00:38:38,430 --> 00:38:39,450
Can you get back?
581
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:42,050
Can you three -peat? Can you win another
Super Bowl?
582
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:44,860
Systems haven't changed.
583
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:47,400
Head coach may be different.
584
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,740
We know what to do.
585
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,420
We just got to go do it.
586
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,120
So
587
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:10,480
who's
588
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,399
going to beat him?
589
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,720
Who? That was the story. Who was going
to stop the Cowboys?
590
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:14,940
No one.
591
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:21,340
If you talk to the NFL about the field,
they say it's in absolutely great shape.
592
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,580
When you talk to the players, they say
it's worse than it was two years ago.
593
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,180
They're going to have a lot of problems.
594
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,800
It is the game and the two teams most
people predicted would be playing for
595
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,800
NFC Championship.
596
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:36,720
Fox expects you to have 85 million
watching this game, more people than
597
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,380
watched any show in Fox's history.
598
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,380
Cowboys have won three of the last four
in the series, the last two to go to the
599
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:46,319
Super Bowl.
600
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,420
San Francisco has desperately been
trying to find a way to get over the
601
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:55,300
After losing to the Cowboys in 93, Eddie
DiBarlo and I were walking alone.
602
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:00,960
And he looked at me and he said, can't
let this happen again.
603
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:06,640
The beach area and the Cowboys, we built
the team around our defense.
604
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:09,780
The thought that we can inflict.
605
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:12,550
harm on Jerry and the Cowboys.
606
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:16,350
It just made it so enticing, and
especially with Dion.
607
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:27,050
Ladies and gentlemen, Dion Sanders.
608
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:30,270
Dion posed a problem.
609
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:32,770
One, two, sit down.
610
00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:37,930
He's the man, he's the man. One of the
greatest actors in our time, prime time.
611
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:39,730
Pay the call to be the boss.
612
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:42,550
Prime time. Prime time. Prime time.
Prime time.
613
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:46,270
Make sure the license plates say prime
time.
614
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:47,488
Ho, ho, ho.
615
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:51,630
Look at me. This dude was a true rock
star.
616
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:53,009
Prime time.
617
00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:57,630
In one year, play baseball, play
football.
618
00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:02,390
Who was doing that back in the day?
Nobody but Prime.
619
00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:06,230
Leon was kind of like the whole package.
620
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:07,530
Better.
621
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:08,730
Stronger.
622
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,200
He was as good as it got as a lockdown
corner.
623
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:17,160
And a guy who would get you a lot of
publicity.
624
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,600
And win you a lot of games.
625
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,160
That wasn't it.
626
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
It. Yeah, that's what I was.
627
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:30,040
You know what it is.
628
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:31,940
It is it.
629
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:35,080
It is that one ingredient that gives you
the flavor, that gives you the taste,
630
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,480
that gives you the understanding, the
wisdom.
631
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,780
It's the purpose. That was the it.
632
00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:43,180
What made him so good? His athletic
ability.
633
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:46,560
No. He was a student of the game.
634
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:49,060
He knew splits.
635
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:50,940
He knew formations.
636
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,680
He knew concepts.
637
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,800
And he knew them well.
638
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,100
Deion was an impact player.
639
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,320
He could score from punt returns and
kickoff returns.
640
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,860
He could score as a receiver.
641
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:13,020
Frankly, he created such an imbalance on
defense because teams would go away
642
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:14,020
from him.
643
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,120
A real lockdown corner.
644
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:20,760
You don't want to play around with that.
645
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,820
The way I changed the game is that you
were concerned about me. I wasn't
646
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:27,380
concerned about you because I run like a
Lamborghini.
647
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:32,770
I put pressure on people. Pressure ain't
on me. Pressure's on them. Because you
648
00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:33,770
prepare and you study.
649
00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:36,310
He single -handedly can turn a ballgame
around.
650
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:41,730
When he would go up against Michael
Irvin or anybody, I mean, that was
651
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:44,110
kind of like, that's Milo Armando, baby.
652
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:46,630
That's Alpha Dog versus Alpha Dog.
653
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:49,290
And the pass intended for Michael Irvin.
654
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:50,950
And it's a fumble.
655
00:42:51,350 --> 00:42:53,510
I've had many battles with Deion.
656
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,580
You know, I played him freshman year at
Miami.
657
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,500
You know, I ran an out and up on Dion. I
had him beat.
658
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,900
That ball came, and I looked back, and
this dude was out running the football.
659
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,760
Pushed me down, jumped up, intercepted
the ball, and was running the other way.
660
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,460
I've not seen anything like it.
661
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:20,620
That 94 game.
662
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,360
I knew it was going to be the battle.
663
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:34,320
When we played the Cowboys,
664
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:40,960
they called it the NFC Championship, but
we all knew it was the Super Bowl.
665
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:46,360
Whoever's next, get that. This is it.
This is the one. And remember last year
666
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,640
they had a fight? Well, this year they
had another fight.
667
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:51,140
You try to be professional, but...
668
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,260
They took so much away from us.
669
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:57,300
This time, we were going to send a
statement.
670
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,640
Whether it gets in a fight on the
street, on the field, we're rolling out
671
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,240
whatever we can throw at you.
672
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:04,040
It's just us and you.
673
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:11,060
One reporter said, what happens if you
don't win?
674
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,900
I had a samurai sword in my desk, and I
pointed to the samurai sword, and I
675
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:19,860
says, I'll have to do the honorable
thing.
676
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,540
Kickoff for San Francisco.
677
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,000
The winner of this game goes to the
Super Bowl.
678
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:32,000
Sanders with Harper.
679
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:34,460
And Aikman back to throw.
680
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Protection good.
681
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:43,580
Incomplete. We wanted to disrupt their
rhythm. We changed it up quite a bit.
682
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:44,580
it was very strategic.
683
00:44:44,940 --> 00:44:48,920
If they're going to stay away from
Deion, they're going to have to go to
684
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,280
Irvin with some kind of double coverage.
685
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,320
Intercepted by Eric Davis.
686
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,540
And Davis will score for the 49ers.
687
00:45:00,860 --> 00:45:05,620
I think Deion Sanders on Harper has
thrown it for a loop. Troy Aikman didn't
688
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:09,000
read it, threw it right to him. I think
it's going to take a while for the
689
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,040
Cowboys to adjust.
690
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:22,130
When they made the mistakes, capitalize.
691
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:23,730
You have to make them pay.
692
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:35,770
And the defending world champion
693
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:37,890
Cowboys have to be in shock.
694
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:41,200
Kevin with his third kickoff return of
the day.
695
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,640
He needs something to happen against the
ball that's loose.
696
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,120
And again, San Francisco recovers.
697
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,400
I was always taught to go for the
throat, and basically that's what we
698
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,300
do. Second and goal with the one.
699
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Good.
700
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:03,420
Touchdown San Francisco on the 49ers
lead.
701
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:06,020
Three Dallas Cowboys turnovers.
702
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:08,360
Three 49er touchdowns.
703
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,240
Seven minutes and 33 seconds left in the
first quarter.
704
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:17,980
The way we played, my God, just gifts.
They were gifts.
705
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,040
It's like a horror movie I'm watching.
706
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,360
First time in NFC Championship history
that a team has scored three touchdowns
707
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,660
in the first quarter. In history.
708
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,940
It was unimaginable, quite honestly.
709
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:33,460
America had only seen the Cowboys win.
710
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,650
All of a sudden, it's the first time
that they had seen us with our backs
711
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:37,650
against the wall.
712
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:41,850
San Francisco put them up. It's
humongous for the momentum and for the
713
00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:43,150
psychological feeling of these teams.
714
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:48,730
Getting down three touchdowns in five
minutes, it brought my world out. It
715
00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:51,390
brought me crashing. It brought me to
reality.
716
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:57,130
And I thought, quit thinking you're a
chosen one or you've got some kind of
717
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:58,130
right to this stuff.
718
00:46:58,730 --> 00:47:02,250
It's just like walking out there during
third days when you were a Razorback.
719
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:04,360
It's supposed to be hard.
720
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:09,140
I feel like we was just holding on to
dear life.
721
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,360
I think people were looking around,
trying to find out, okay, who's going to
722
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,920
that leader that Jimmy was?
723
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Get over this piece.
724
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,160
Jimmy's no longer here, and he's not
coming back.
725
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,440
We are the last of the Mohicans.
726
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:30,880
Barry coming in and leading this team,
but we were here from the beginning.
727
00:47:32,279 --> 00:47:35,320
No one can stake claim to that but us.
728
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,480
And therefore, this is incumbent upon us
to take it upon our shoulders and not
729
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,680
to allow anything get in here and break
this up.
730
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,440
No matter who the coach is, we got to
get back to that game. We got to prove
731
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,440
that we can do it.
732
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,220
I remember thinking, don't forget who
we're playing.
733
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:55,120
We're playing Aikman and the boys.
734
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,720
It's not supposed to be this easy.
735
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:00,420
That means we're in trouble.
736
00:48:01,580 --> 00:48:06,200
You know the great thing about being
down 21 to nothing, first five minutes
737
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,800
the ballgame, you got 55 minutes to get
back in this son of a bitch.
738
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,180
This Cowboy team are still the world
champion.
739
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,240
They're not going to give up that throne
without a fight.
740
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:21,780
When you're down 21 to nothing, you're
going to have to pass the ball more than
741
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:23,460
you came into the game thinking.
742
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,420
Being in that huddle and Troy looked up
at me and said, hey, I'm coming to you.
743
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:31,060
No matter what.
744
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:37,820
That means double teams, Deion Sanders,
we don't care. We are throwing the ball
745
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:39,920
because it's 21 -0.
746
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:41,380
Third and 23.
747
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:49,120
Mike Gordon, touchdown, Dallas.
748
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:50,740
We have the game.
749
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,100
We have the game.
750
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,460
Steve Young fires in. Almost a
touchdown. This game was going to.
751
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:59,860
Go the distance no matter what.
752
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,900
It's going to be a shootout.
753
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,160
We're up 1 -1 to 14.
754
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:08,500
We're back in it.
755
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,600
When there's so much at stake, you are
going to have to fight for everything.
756
00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:28,230
We mounted that comeback with everything
in us.
757
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:34,950
Everybody on the sidelines said, keep
fighting.
758
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:39,910
Nobody quit.
759
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:42,790
The heart of the game came out.
760
00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:50,870
Now we could apply pressure on them to
test what they were all about.
761
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:56,730
quarterbacks, when you get that big hit
on, they start looking for that.
762
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:59,990
Young gets into the end zone.
763
00:50:00,370 --> 00:50:04,810
Touchdown, Steve Young. The Cowboys and
us were at it.
764
00:50:05,530 --> 00:50:07,110
It felt like there was no one else
around.
765
00:50:07,930 --> 00:50:09,430
Here's Aikman going deep.
766
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:15,970
And Sanders intercepts. He is so fast,
he can catch up with him and pass him.
767
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:17,810
What did your mama say when you was a
child?
768
00:50:18,310 --> 00:50:19,750
Don't touch that up in this high.
769
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:22,270
That's why Deion Sanders is Deion
Sanders.
770
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:23,790
Then you mess around and found out.
771
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:30,210
And boy, did Troy Aikman hang in there.
This is a guy who won't say no.
772
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:31,510
There was no quit.
773
00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:33,470
I mean, we kept fighting.
774
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:36,950
Back up,
775
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:40,390
please. Back up.
776
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:45,970
We showed America why we were champions.
777
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:58,890
It's over six minutes left.
778
00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:01,550
And we got the ball back.
779
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:04,770
If we score here, we only down three.
780
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:06,730
A whole different game.
781
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:14,090
What made Michael so great is that when
the ball was in the air, it was his
782
00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:15,090
ball.
783
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:19,840
And so I didn't have a doubt as soon as
I got the ball. That's where I was
784
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,840
going.
785
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:29,880
I knew they were going to take a shot.
786
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:36,380
Instead of just running and looking up,
I slipped because the field was
787
00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:37,380
horrible.
788
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,900
But, you know, I got that Lamborghini in
me, so I hit it.
789
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:58,190
I looked up, and there was no flag
thrown.
790
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:59,430
I was like, what?
791
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:07,550
He always
792
00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:13,850
feels like that should have been a
penalty because he's Mike Irvin, but he
793
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:14,850
forgot I was proud.
794
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:20,250
In today's game, pass interference.
795
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,300
All day, every day.
796
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,180
There's a flag on the play on the far
side of the field. I think Barry Switzer
797
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:27,420
might have run into the referee.
798
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,020
It happened right in front of me.
799
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,580
And the official comes up.
800
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,500
I've stuck my hand out with my hand. He
stepped into my damn arm. I had my hand
801
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,340
across his chest. I had a 15 -yard
penalty because I touched the official.
802
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:43,540
Holy moly, I've never seen a coach like
that.
803
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,680
4th and 10.
804
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,640
And 8th and a snap.
805
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,360
That may be the Super Bowl play.
806
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,800
That might be.
807
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Not a first down.
808
00:52:57,220 --> 00:53:03,740
Not a first down. It was a tough, tough
game
809
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:05,860
and a hard one to lose.
810
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:10,620
The Cowboys have given us a lot of great
games and have been great champions.
811
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,700
But three in a row won't happen.
812
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,160
The team that I hated with every ounce
of my body had just beat us.
813
00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:24,640
And I didn't think that they could beat
us. And that love that I had for the
814
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,640
game left.
815
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:35,340
I just felt as though if I would have
been in that game, you know, we would
816
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:36,340
had a shot.
817
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,380
Revenge is best on the tip of a cold
knife.
818
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,380
It wasn't supposed to happen the way it
did.
819
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,760
It came down to one ball game and we
beat ourselves.
820
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:57,520
But it was.
821
00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:04,700
Well, sure, it's a mistake that I gave
you 15 yards. Sure. Do we win the game
822
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:05,700
that doesn't happen?
823
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,540
Yes. No.
824
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,160
I dog cussed myself all the way to the
locker room. I'm so pissed off at
825
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,260
That 94 game was quite a thought
provoking.
826
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:22,420
psychological happening for me.
827
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:28,480
I remember walking out of that stadium,
cried like a baby.
828
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:31,560
That's the only time I ever cried after
a game.
829
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,840
I don't have fucking peace.
830
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:38,300
And all I think about is that one play.
831
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,580
How the day goes by, I don't question
myself on it.
832
00:54:43,580 --> 00:54:45,040
But I wanted the touchdown.
833
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,860
And I waited on it.
834
00:54:47,549 --> 00:54:51,630
Yeah, it's just, I'd be wondering, was I
greedy?
835
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:54,590
Did I want to be a hero? What was that?
836
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:58,110
I just don't understand that.
837
00:55:00,470 --> 00:55:03,250
I really can't explain the way I'm
feeling right now. You know, I really
838
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:05,190
sunk in yet. We want to play in the
Super Bowl.
839
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:08,670
What made it worse was watching the
Super Bowl.
840
00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:14,430
A superb performance by the San
Francisco 49ers, and they are the world
841
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:15,430
champions.
842
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,300
I feel like that should have been us.
843
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,980
I cried like a baby.
844
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:27,400
I was very fortunate to win three Super
Bowls, but if not for the Cowboys,
845
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,120
maybe that could have been six.
846
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,100
I look back, I'm like, I'm so grateful
for the Cowboys.
847
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,280
I learned from playing the Cowboys.
848
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,240
I learned about myself. I actually got
better.
849
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,660
Whatever I became was modeled because of
that.
850
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,540
And winning in 94, I think, brings that
kind of full, the full truth of it.
851
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:59,940
I think Jerry not being able to win the
Super Bowl was a major speed bump
852
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:01,420
with his master plan.
853
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,460
But only a speed bump.
854
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,320
Their championship reign is over. But
what about the future for the Dallas
855
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,700
Cowboys? The composition of this team
could change a bit next year.
856
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:18,720
Are you the reason that he didn't get a
free kick?
857
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,200
Yeah.
858
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:23,140
Yeah. I'm done already. I'm the reason.
859
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,040
I'm the reason, the season, the treason,
whatever you want to rhyme it with. I'm
860
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,040
a hit.
861
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:35,320
The thing that I mostly think of, which
is very telling, is...
862
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:41,450
Not the pain of having missed an
opportunity to win three Super Bowls in
863
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:44,410
Not that pain.
864
00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:48,690
But the correction of the
disappointment.
865
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:52,510
I'll never forget.
866
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:55,010
I was on television in an interview.
867
00:56:56,250 --> 00:57:00,550
And I looked in the camera and I just
pointed in the camera and I said, I know
868
00:57:00,550 --> 00:57:01,550
you're looking.
869
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:02,570
And I was.
870
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:04,750
And I was watching. I was sitting in the
hotel room.
871
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:07,690
And he said, Deion Sanders, if you're
out there.
872
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:09,610
You need to be a Dallas Cowboy.
873
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:11,050
Call my attorney.
874
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:13,630
Give me an update. What's going on?
What's popping?
875
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,250
He's like, we talking.
876
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:19,030
I don't care what it takes. You get me
Deion.
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