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Legends are few and far between,
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but when you meet one,
it blows your mind,
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and they make a real difference
to the whole of society.
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Tonight, we're in Oxford
to tell the story
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of an extraordinary physicist
who faced challenge after challenge,
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yet made a famous discovery
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that changed the face
of astronomy forever.
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She has been a maverick
in the field, and, in fact,
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her discovery actually started
a new subfield in astronomy.
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Without Jocelyn, I wouldn't be here.
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Welcome to The Sky At Night.
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When I arrived in Cambridge,
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I felt like a country yokel.
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And I thought, "They've made
a mistake, admitting me.
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"I'm not bright enough
for this place.
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"They're going to discover
their mistake,
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"they're going to throw me out.
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"But, until they throw me out,
I will work my very hardest,
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"so that when they throw me out,
I won't have a guilty conscience."
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APPLAUSE
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MAGGIE: Professor
Jocelyn Bell Burnell.
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She's a discoverer,
an explorer of a distant cosmos,
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and she's walked amongst the stars.
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But in 1965,
she was just a student
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about to start her PhD.
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Radio astronomy was still
fairly new at that stage,
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so there was a lot going on,
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a lot of interesting
stuff happening.
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It was an exciting time
to be involved.
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Jocelyn's Supervisor,
Professor Antony Hewish,
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had grand designs for a new
state-of-the-art radio telescope.
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I didn't initially realise how big
a telescope Tony was planning.
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At the point I arrived, he had
the money to build the telescope.
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I think he had
at least rough designs,
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but there was, so to speak,
nothing on the ground.
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And when it became clear
it's 57 tennis courts in area,
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it's huge,
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it took two years to build.
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There were about half a dozen
of us working on it.
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I was doing quite a lot
of sledgehammering,
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became quite strong.
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And then we switched it on.
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Radio telescopes
often don't work first time,
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but this one did.
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It worked!
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With 120 miles of wiring,
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the world's newest radio telescope
was complete.
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So I was straight into observing.
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And then I had miles and miles
and miles of chart paper
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pouring out of chart recorders,
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which I would take back
to my desk in Cambridge,
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and sit and analyse.
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We all use radio waves every day,
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and, just as you can
tune your car radio
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to hear your favourite music...
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I wonder what else is on the radio.
STATION FLIPS
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..by tuning a telescope
to the skies,
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you can listen to
the universe's greatest hits, too -
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if you can tune out the static.
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The signals arriving
at Jocelyn's telescope
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were buried
in a cacophony of interference.
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But, with her sharp memory
and keen eye,
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she spotted something
that no-one had before.
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It was when I saw
this little bit of scruff
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and said, "Oh, yeah, I've seen this
somewhere before, haven't I?"
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My data comes out
on long rolls of paper chart,
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and I have the previous rolls
stored in boxes.
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So I get out the box
that covers this bit of sky.
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I was fortunate, in that the grad
students worked in an attic,
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and there was
a great, big, long space
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down the middle of the attic
between our desks.
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So I took over this space
and spread out my charts
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for the observations
I'd already made
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of that particular strip of sky.
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Jocelyn had identified a signal,
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measuring just a quarter inch,
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in hundreds of feet of data.
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Her diligence was about to pay off.
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We needed an enlargement.
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And, with paper chart,
rolls of paper chart,
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the way you get an enlargement is to
run the paper faster under the pen,
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and everything gets spread out.
Very neat.
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And, right from the start,
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as I ran the paper faster
under the pen,
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I could see it going
blip, blip, blip, blip.
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Always the same beat...
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..but one and a third seconds apart,
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which is totally unknown
in astronomy.
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What the heck is this?
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For an astronomer,
the rate of a pulsing signal
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indicates the size of the object.
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For something astronomical
to produce pulses
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every one-and-a-third seconds,
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it must be spinning
once every one-and-a-third seconds.
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The thought was preposterous.
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No object had ever been observed
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that could be as powerful,
yet small.
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I took the trouble
of phoning my supervisor, and said,
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"Tony, it's a string of pulses
one-and-a-third seconds apart."
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"Oh. Well, that settles it.
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"It's man-made."
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And put the phone down.
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Artificial or not, what was
causing this strange signal?
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So, one of the problems was,
is this some foible of my telescope?
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Have I got some wires crossed?
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Tony and I spoke to another academic
and his grad student
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to see if they could help us.
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They had a separate radio telescope,
separate receiver on the same site,
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but working on the same frequency,
the same channel.
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One day, four of us
went out to the observatory -
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Robin and his supervisor,
me and Tony, my supervisor.
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And the way the telescopes
were aligned.
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my telescope would see it first,
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and Robin would see it 20 minutes
later, or something like that.
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My telescope observed it.
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The thing was pulsing
nice and strong.
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It was good and healthy.
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And then we went and stood
by Robin's equipment.
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And nothing happened.
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And Tony and Paul,
the two academics,
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started walking down
this long laboratory.
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I was padding along behind them,
and they were saying,
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"Now, what could it be
that shows in this radio telescope,
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"but not that one?
Could it be da-da-da-da-da?"
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"No, it can't be that because..."
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"Oh. Could it be ba-ba-ba-ba-ba?"
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Robin has stayed
by his pen recorder.
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We've got down this long laboratory,
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and suddenly there's a shriek
from way back there.
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"Here it is!"
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We all went charging back.
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And there were the pulses coming in,
seen by a separate radio telescope
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with its own receiver
and its own chart recorder.
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Robin had miscalculated
by 15 minutes
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when his telescope
would see that bit of sky.
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If he'd miscalculated
by an hour and 15 minutes,
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we'd have all gone home,
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and the story would be different.
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Jocelyn had discovered a pulsar.
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A zombie.
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The leftover core
of a cataclysmic explosion
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at the end of a star's life.
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One of the most extreme objects
in the universe.
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When a star dies,
it sheds its outer layers,
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but what remains collapses.
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And, like an ice skater
going into a spin,
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when an object shrinks,
it spins faster.
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The more dramatic the collapse,
the faster the resulting spin.
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And it's this spin
that means that pulsars pulse,
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that we see regular bursts
of radio waves.
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Like Earth,
pulsars have magnetic fields.
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Particles are channelled along
the magnetic field lines
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and, in the exotic environment
around a pulsar,
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they produce jets of radio waves
aligned with each magnetic pole.
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Now, the magnetic pole
won't be aligned, typically,
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with the rotation axis
of the pulsar.
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And what that means is that
we get something like this.
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From Earth, we see flashes
of radio waves
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as each beam sweeps across us.
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A cosmic beacon, a lighthouse
shining out into the darkness.
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Jocelyn had opened up
a whole new area of study.
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Pulsars are laboratories
for extreme physics -
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so extreme that scientists
are still investigating
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their secrets to this day.
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I've come to Royal Holloway,
University of London,
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to meet Dr Vanessa Graber,
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to find out
what we know about their guts.
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Astronomers usually like to give,
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like, names to certain
subclasses of things.
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So neutron stars is like
the exact, like, the compact object
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that we have outside in space.
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And pulsars are
those specific neutron stars
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that actually produce
this lighthouse type of radiation.
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With incredibly high density. Yes.
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So this is really like an object
that's the size of a city
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like London, but weighs something
between one to two times
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as much as our sun.
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And if you think about sort of,
like, the quantities involved,
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if you compress the sun, or twice
the sun into the size of a city,
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you end up with
really extreme densities
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that is something that
we really can't produce on Earth.
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Seeing something in space
the size of London is challenging.
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SHE LAUGHS
Very, very. Exactly.
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I suppose that's why your work
is so important.
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Because we're modelling this... Yes.
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..because we can't really get up
close and personal to see it.
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So, to a first instant,
we can either say,
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"OK, look, this is like
a massive fluid ball,"
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and then we can write down
a set of equations,
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and then we build it up from there.
Yes, yes.
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So you have to come up
with some additional, like, ideas
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on how you can make this model
more realistic.
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And in the case of the neutron star,
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what's generally happening is that
we don't just have a fluid ball,
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but this fluid interior
is surrounded by a solid crust.
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Pulses of radiation
that are emitted from the star
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will usually slow down over time.
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Sudden changes in this pattern
can give away crucial clues
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about the star's interior.
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Now, this periodic signal,
I was told that it was
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one of the most reliable things
in the universe. Yes, yes.
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There's sort of, you know,
this pinpoint precision.
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But not always.
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Yes, that's true.
THEY CHUCKLE
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Which is like, the thing
that my heart beats for, I guess.
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SHE LAUGHS
This is your research?
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Yeah, this is, like, what I work on,
on a daily basis,
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which is, the fact that
some of the neutron stars,
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where they spin down -
and this was actually observed
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very early on after the first
neutron star was discovered -
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is that some neutron stars show
what I like to call hiccups. Mm.
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So they don't just spin down,
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but there is
this occasional interruption
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where the star suddenly
rotates a little bit faster.
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By studying the pattern
of the hiccup,
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the changing spin,
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we can get an insight
into what's happening
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inside the heart of the star.
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To explain, we'll need the help
of a couple of eggs.
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OK, so we have two different eggs,
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and we're going to try and do
a little experiment
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that you can also try at home.
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So we'll start with this one.
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And what I'm going to do is,
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I'm going to rotate the egg,
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and then I'm going to use my finger
to quickly stop the shell.
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And then we're going to look
at what's actually happening.
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OK. So this is the egg.
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I'll stop it...
It stopped rotating. Exactly.
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OK, let's try this with this one.
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OK, let me try the same thing.
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I'll stop the egg with the finger -
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and what we see is it does rotate
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a little bit more afterwards.
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It does.
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OK, we do exactly
the same thing for both eggs
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and we do see something
very different happening.
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Yes, yes! So should we reveal
what's happening?
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THEY LAUGH
Or if I could guess? Yes, yeah.
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What do you think...?
What do you think is the difference?
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So I think one is more fluid
than the other.
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Yes, the interior.
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This one, I guess, is the raw egg.
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Yes. And this is hard boiled?
That's correct. OK.
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So in the case of
the hard boiled egg,
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basically, the individual
components of the shell,
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the egg white and the egg yolk,
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are all just connected
as a single component.
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So initially, when you spin it up,
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everything rotates
at the same speed.
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But, in the case of the raw egg,
if I rotate things,
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it will take a little while
for the interior
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to actually start to rotate,
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and then, once it is rotating,
I just stop the shell.
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I only stop the shell,
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but the interior actually
continues to rotate. Lovely.
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And I basically see the exchange
of angular momentum,
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very similar to what's
happening in the neutron star,
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between the internal component
that rotates faster
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and the shell that had stopped.
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In the case of the neutron star,
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instead of egg white
and yolk inside,
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it has exotic forms of matter
that can flow without friction.
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A superfluid.
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We started talking about
a neutron star being modelled
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as like a fluid ball,
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but the interactions of
the superfluid itself
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are really not driven by
this, like, London-sized object,
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but actually by,
like, tiny quantum effects.
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So the superfluid
has a special property,
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that it rotates in
a very different way
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by forming
these tiny quantum tornadoes.
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Really looking at the macro...
Exactly. ..and then at the micro,
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a-and...well, the nano.
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Since the first observation
of a pulsar,
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over 4,000 more have been detected.
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But Jocelyn was on a path
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that would swiftly
take her away from Cambridge,
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and away from her pulsars, too.
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I got engaged to be married between
discovering pulsars two and three,
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and was fool enough to wear
the engagement ring into the office.
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I was very proud of it.
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And that sent a message
that I was leaving.
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Because, in those days,
married women didn't work.
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It implied that your husband
couldn't earn enough,
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if married women worked.
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You were going to be
a housewife, a wife,
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and probably a mother in due course.
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This wasn't actually my plan,
but I see, with hindsight,
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that that's the message
I was sending out.
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Once married, Jocelyn's work
was entirely dependent
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on her husband's postings.
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Husband would say,
"It's time I moved to get promotion.
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"There's a job going in X.
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"Is there anything astronomical
anywhere near there
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"that you might get a job?"
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So I've had a
very disrupted career.
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It's been great fun, great interest,
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but a lot of it's been dictated
by where my husband was working.
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CHRIS: Since Jocelyn's discovery,
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the radio sky has continued
to surprise.
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Dr Kaustubh Rajwade,
at the University of Oxford,
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studies the oddballs
of the radio family,
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and what these outsiders
can tell us about the cosmos.
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Hey, how are you? Ah, hey, Chris.
Nice to see you. Yeah, you, too.
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Now, look, you like to look
for weird things in the radio sky.
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What have you found?
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Over the past few decades,
we have found
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all sorts of
unusual neutron stars.
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Back in 2007, I mean,
people at that point
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were looking for pulsars in data
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taken by all these radio telescopes
around the world.
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And often looking in archival data,
as well. Yeah, absolutely.
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In West Virginia University,
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Duncan Lorimer,
who's a professor there,
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and his undergraduate student,
Dave Narkevic,
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they were searching through
some of this data
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taken by the Miryang
Radio Telescope in Australia,
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looking for pulsars
in the Small Magellanic Cloud.
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OK, our neighbouring galaxy, yeah.
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Yeah, and so,
while going through the data,
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Dave actually found this very
interesting single radio burst.
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So not a repeat? Not like a pulsar,
where you get all these pulses?
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Just one? Just one.
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And, interestingly,
they realised that this burst
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could not have come from our galaxy,
and also not from the SMC... Mm.
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..but way beyond that.
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And the reason
that they could figure this out
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was because of something called
the dispersion of radio waves.
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So, as you know, there's
a lot of stuff between pulsars
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in our galaxy and us, right?
Mm-hm.
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There are these electrons
and plasma that's floating around.
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And so this plasma actually
acts like a prism. Mm.
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And so, which means that the radio
waves that are at lower frequencies
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are reaching us much later than
the radio waves at higher frequency.
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Oh, just like... Cos a prism
would bend blue light differently
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from red light, because of the
difference in wavelength? Exactly.
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Which is the same as difference
in frequency. Exactly. OK.
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We now know these objects as FRBs,
or fast radio bursts.
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A blast of radiation that,
for a few milliseconds,
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can outshine an entire galaxy.
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What do they tell us about
the universe and the galaxy
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to which their light travels?
Yeah, I'm glad you asked that,
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because we can use them
as independent probes of cosmology.
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And one of the key aspects
in which FRBs can help
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is this so-called
missing baryons problem.
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Baryons, is this just normal matter?
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Electrons, protons, oxygen,
hydrogen, helium,
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all the rest of it? Exactly, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Some of it, we can see.
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Light is our only source
of actually detecting and seeing
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these baryons in the universe,
but a lot of it is so diffuse
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that we just cannot see it
at any wavelength,
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like, they're not emitting
any radiation.
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But, because FRBs are so fast,
and only last for millisecond,
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which means that you can see
dispersion in them,
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and then you know that
the total delay that you see
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in your radio band,
because of the dispersion,
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has contributions from your galaxy,
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has contributions
from the host galaxy,
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but it also has contribution
from the diffuse baryons
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in the cosmic web.
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It's really rather lovely that
the light from something like an FRB
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tells us about everything
it's passed through. Exactly.
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And you're literally
weighing up the universe. Yeah.
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So if you have enough FRBs
that are well-localised
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with well-known distances,
all across the sky,
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you could map out the cosmic web.
Oh, so you just...?
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And that's just,
I think that that thought,
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like, really, you know,
gives me, like, shivers.
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With the work of physicists
like Vanessa and Kaustubh,
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Jocelyn's legacy is strong today.
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But, in the wake of her discovery,
she endured shocking discrimination.
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So journalists would interview
Tony and I together, ultimately,
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and they'd ask Tony about
the scientific significance
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of this experience.
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And then they'd turn to me
for the sexual content.
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How many boyfriends did I have?
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What were my bust, waist,
and hip measurements?
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Really important questions
like that.
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And the photographer, similarly,
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"Could I undo
some shirt buttons, please?"
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It was thoroughly degrading.
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Young women were sex objects,
full stop.
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Never mind if you'd made
a major scientific discovery,
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you're a sex object.
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Tony did nothing...
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..absolutely nothing to stop it.
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Jocelyn's treatment would extend
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to the most prestigious accolade
in all of academia.
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It was 1974, and I remember
the day very well.
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I was working in X-ray astronomy
by then.
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This particular day, our satellite
has launched 8am in the morning.
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And, about two minutes past midday,
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a colleague comes bursting
into my office.
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"Have you heard the news?
Have you heard the news?"
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I thought, "Oh, my God.
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"The satellite's gone in the drink."
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But it wasn't.
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It was the announcement of
the Nobel Prize award
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to Tony Hewish and Martin Ryle,
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my former supervisor
and the head of the group.
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Well, in essence, it's...
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Cambridge's Martin Ryle and
Tony Hewish had won the Nobel Prize
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for their pioneering research
in radio astrophysics -
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Ryle for his observations
and inventions,
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and Hewish for his decisive role
in the discovery of pulsars...
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..while Jocelyn, despite being
integral to that work,
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missed out on the acclaim.
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At the time of the Nobel Prize,
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women still weren't regarded
as serious in the male world.
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It's really only in more recent
years that women are recognised
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in their own right
for their own abilities.
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Thank goodness.
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If you have a group of people
that all think the same,
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it's great fun for them,
and they do good work.
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But they fail to see
anything out in the wings.
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Whereas, if you have
a diverse group,
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you're more likely
to pick up on the new threads.
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APPLAUSE
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Jocelyn has since won
numerous awards for her work,
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donating prize money to fund
the Bell Burnell Scholarship.
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PhD student Aida Seye,
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from the Mullard Space
Science Laboratory,
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is a current recipient.
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Hello, Aida. Hi. Great to meet you.
So nice to meet you. Same.
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I gather you're at MSSL?
Yes, I am, yeah.
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Yeah. Wonderful place.
Yeah, thank you.
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I worked there for a while.
430
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Yeah, I've heard
we're on the same office.
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Really? On the first floor, yeah.
That's right. Yeah.
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I had the desk in the window,
looking out over the front door.
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Yeah. Could see all
the comings and goings.
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Yeah. So, exactly what are
you working on, Aida?
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What's your thesis
going to be about?
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So just trying to make
the most out of the data
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from the Gaia satellite... Right.
438
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..which was launched
a few years back... Yes.
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..and has been quite remarkable
with galactic astronomy. Yeah.
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So just trying to use that data
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to understand
the structure of the Milky Way,
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understanding where
the spiral arms are,
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the different populations... Yeah.
..and the bulge and kinematics,
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and, yeah, just trying to understand
the history of our galaxy.
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It's quite complicated to do that,
because we live inside it. Yeah.
446
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If it was another galaxy
that you could look at...
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Yeah. ..it'd be a lot simpler.
It would be simpler, yeah.
448
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So have you always wanted
to do astrophysics?
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Or has it been
quite a journey for you?
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It has been a journey, I feel
almost like a serendipity thing.
451
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I liked maths in primary school
and secondary school. Good.
452
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I liked solving equations
and doing algebra,
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and astrophysics
just sounded cool to me,
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and I just wanted to try it. Yeah.
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And I tried it, and I fell in love.
And here we are.
456
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Yeah, that's fantastic.
457
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Well, thanks, also,
thanks for the scholarship.
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So, what prompted you to do that?
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Well, I was awarded $3 million US
by the Breakthrough Foundation,
460
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and had to think rather rapidly
what to do with that money.
461
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Because, if it's announced,
you've got that kind of thing,
462
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the phone keeps ringing.
THEY CHUCKLE
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So that's when I decided
to give the money
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to the Institute of Physics
to set up these scholarships -
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you've got one, congratulations -
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to enable people
from minority groups,
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minority in physics groups -
which includes all women -
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to do PhDs.
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Yeah. It has helped me, so... Good.
THEY CHUCKLE
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I did my PhD in Cambridge.
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I'd never been
that far south before,
472
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and it was really scary.
473
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There was all these young men
walking in the streets,
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talking in terribly loud voices
about what Hegel said,
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and what Hegel didn't say.
476
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I thought, "Oh, my God.
477
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"They've made a mistake
admitting me."
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And there were very few women
in Cambridge at that time, as well.
479
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I really suffered
what's known as impostor syndrome.
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I don't know,
has that ever affected you?
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Because you're also
a minority person in another way.
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I also went to University
of Cambridge for... Right.
483
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And definitely,
the impostor syndrome was,
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yeah, it was off the charts.
485
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:43,460
Because there's not many women
doing physics.
486
00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:45,700
There's also not many people
of colour doing physics.
487
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:47,580
I feel like I'm representing,
488
00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:50,780
so, like, every person of colour,
or every woman,
489
00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:53,340
that I have to do it so well,
because if I, you know...
490
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:56,660
If I don't do well, then it's going
to reflect badly on them. Yes.
491
00:23:56,660 --> 00:24:01,740
So, it...
Yeah, it doesn't feel nice.
492
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:04,380
But, at the same time, it is a...
493
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:06,860
It's a great source of motivation,
494
00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:11,180
to try and, you know,
be as good as possible.
495
00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:13,500
I always felt that,
if I did something stupid,
496
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:17,460
they'd say, "Oh, trust a woman.
No more women," you know? Yeah.
497
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:21,220
I guess any minority
is under pressure. Yeah.
498
00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:23,620
Yeah. Pressure not to
let the side down.
499
00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:26,060
The more of us there are,
the easier it gets.
500
00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:28,580
So, please, hang in there.
Don't give up.
501
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:31,100
Yeah, I won't. Yeah. Good.
502
00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:37,220
MAGGIE: If you're feeling inspired
503
00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:40,260
to do some of your own
astronomical exploring this month,
504
00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:42,540
then Pete has got you covered.
505
00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:45,740
Over the coming months, there are
three phenomena which give us
506
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:49,940
a perfect opportunity
to do a refresher on terminology
507
00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:52,660
which astronomers
may meet quite often -
508
00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:56,580
occultations, conjunctions,
and eclipses.
509
00:24:56,580 --> 00:25:00,420
A conjunction is a term which
describes when two or more objects,
510
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,940
which are normally
vast distances apart,
511
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:05,460
appear in the same area
of sky together.
512
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,620
Or, if you want to get technical,
it's when those objects share
513
00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:11,300
the same set of
celestial coordinates.
514
00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:16,020
To see Venus and Jupiter
at conjunction,
515
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:20,220
look towards the north-east
horizon around 02:40am
516
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:22,420
on the morning of
the 12th of August.
517
00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:25,860
While the two planets
are really located
518
00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:27,900
hundreds of millions of miles apart,
519
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,340
their positioning makes them
appear close together,
520
00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:35,260
about two full moon's widths
from each other in the night sky.
521
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:38,900
You can spot them again at the
same time on subsequent mornings,
522
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,860
with the gap between them
increasing.
523
00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:43,780
Next, we have occultations,
524
00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:47,300
and these occur when one object
moves in front of another,
525
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:51,060
hiding all or part of
the more distant object from view.
526
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:56,100
The upcoming occultation of Venus
527
00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:00,740
will take place during the day
on Friday, the 19th of September.
528
00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:04,180
You can find Venus
low above the eastern horizon,
529
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:08,620
with the moon in brightening
dawn twilight around 06:30.
530
00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:13,260
The occultation will take place
between 12:45 and 14:10,
531
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:15,140
so early afternoon.
532
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,540
Please take care and use
the correct protection
533
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:20,140
when viewing through binoculars
or a telescope,
534
00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:22,660
as you can cause permanent damage
to your eyes
535
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,500
if you look at the sun
through a lens.
536
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:29,940
Finally, in our trio of terminology,
we have eclipses.
537
00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:31,820
The term eclipse means
"to obscure" -
538
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:36,260
so, like occultations,
it's one object hiding another.
539
00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:37,900
But typically with eclipses,
540
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,420
we talk about one body
casting its shadow onto another.
541
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:46,660
A UK lunar eclipse is coming up
on the 7th of September,
542
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:49,180
but it will be a tricky one to spot.
543
00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:51,460
As the moon rises above
the eastern horizon
544
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,940
around 8pm,
it will be coming out
545
00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:55,700
of its total eclipse -
546
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,580
so look out
for a dark moon
547
00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:59,820
as it starts to appear.
548
00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:01,660
Once it has reached
a few degrees
549
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,940
above the horizon,
550
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:04,780
you'll see it
forming an odd shape
551
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:07,260
as it exits totality.
552
00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,260
The main part of
the eclipse
553
00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:10,620
ends around 9pm.
554
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:13,660
As the summer comes to an end,
555
00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:16,020
and the longer and darker nights
come in,
556
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:19,260
there are plenty more events
involving the planets and stars
557
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:20,620
to look out for.
558
00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:23,900
And you can find out more
in our detailed star guides
559
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,540
available on our website at...
560
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,620
You can also find out details
of our Flickr account there.
561
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:37,060
And if you take any photographs,
you can upload them,
562
00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:39,740
and you never know -
they might appear on the programme.
563
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:42,100
Here are some of
our recent favourites.
564
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,060
One of the things
I have learnt is,
565
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:59,420
if you don't get a Nobel Prize,
566
00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:02,700
you get every other prize
that moves.
567
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,540
Whereas if you do get a Nobel Prize,
nobody feels they can match it,
568
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:08,260
so you don't get anything else.
569
00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:12,220
So I've had parties almost
every year for different prizes.
570
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:13,500
Fantastic.
571
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:16,180
It's amazing to think that
572
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:18,820
what started as nothing more than
a blip on chart paper
573
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,260
became the constellation
of exotic objects
574
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:23,340
that astronomers study today -
575
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,540
all thanks to the fabulous,
indefatigable, marvellous
576
00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:28,500
Professor Jocelyn Bell Burnell.
577
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,540
Before we go, we're excited to
announce that we're joining forces
578
00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:34,940
with the hit Radio 4 series
Curious Cases
579
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:38,620
in a special programme solving
space mysteries sent in by you.
580
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:42,900
Submit your space mystery
questions to...
581
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:47,900
Goodnight.
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