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Okay, everyone bring it in. Say a quick prayer.

Our dear Heavenly Father,

we thank thee for the opportunity to be here.

Why do you hate her so much?

I think you have a hard time seeing that you are the problem.

That's not calling someone out, that's being a bully.

I'm continually forcing myself to be here and I don't feel welcome.

We're grateful for the cast.

- I have to address what Marciano said. - Yeah.

Did you have sex with Marciano?

We're grateful for everything that's brought us to this point.

I promised you all a big surprise

and I got it right here. Drum roll, please.

We ask you to bless us that we can respect one another.

Have you learned new things since the beginning of season two?

I'm angry with myself because I knew he was lying.

If I wanted to get revenge, I'd go fuck someone, hurt someone.

That's how you would hurt him.

And for all these things we pray...

There were accusations of both sexual intimacy

and an overall affair.

...in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Let's go!

I guess not.

- Dang it! - Which is crazy, I know.

They told me it was gonna be a party in here.

- Hi. Do I go this way? Sorry. 'Kay. - You're gonna follow me.

How are you feeling?

I just gotta be positive.

I'm trying to look like a princess, while I bitch people out.

Isn't that the point of this?

- Hey, Whitney? - Yes?

- Can we just be quiet for-- - Oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

Yeah, dude, this is my first time wearing a suit, did you know that?

-No way! -I saw your post.

Yeah, I've never worn a suit in my life.

If you want your side in,

you have to, like, come out and say something,

'cause it is gonna be kind of unfolded without you.

Right.

- Hi! -Hi!

How you feeling?

Uh... I don't even know what to feel.

It'd definitely be a lot more fun if you were here.

I know!

-Did you just show up? - Yeah, we just got to the hotel.

It's like Disneyland... reunion... hmm.

It's like Jessi verses Demi.

But it's not like I'm like, "Oh, I don't wanna hear her side of the story

with Marciano." That's not the case. It's more just like,

"I've heard so many crappy things that you've done as a person,

-"as a friend... -Yeah.

...that I don't even wanna have a relationship."

I feel like people are gonna pull receipts and then...

I mean, anyone who's gonna sit around and like,

twist things, it's a cowardly act.

I'm gonna be like, well...

"That's Demi's place to respond to this, not mine."

I love you. Good luck. You're gonna kill it.

Thank you.

How's everyone doing?

Hey!

- Oh, you look so sharp. - You guys excited? Thank you.

Yeah. I'm a little nervous, if I'm being honest.

Don't be nervous.

-You're in good hands, man. -Okay.

Ready?

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

Girls are gonna go on stage and the guys are gonna go in the man cave.

So, you guys, just have fun. There are no rules.

And this is your chance to speak your truth, be vulnerable.

And let's just make this really epic. Right?

# Come thee saints and come thee sinners #

# Hallelujah... #

Hello!

I think we have some sodas for you ladies. You wanna--

- I'm so excited. - Grab your drink.

Stand by. Settling in, please. Here we go.

# Hallelujah #

# Listen up... #

Welcome to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

I'm Nick Viall.

And tonight, I'm joined by some of the most talked about ladies on television.

Women who have reclaimed their identities, rewritten the rules,

and are pushing the boundaries of what it means to be a mother and wife

in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We've got some never-before-seen footage,

a mind-blowing surprise about our cast,

a deep dive with Demi who couldn't quite make it tonight.

And that's not all.

The MomTok member whose future was a mystery, is back.

That's right, Jen joins us for an epic return

that will set the record straight.

Everyone looks so good! Like--

Does Whitney have a crown on right now?

-No. A headband. -Oh, it's a headband?

-Oh. -I thought she had like a crown on.

- Oh, no. That's a crown. - It's like a tiara.

Okay, queen.

Ladies, welcome.

- Thank you. - How's everyone doing?

More nervous? Excited?

- Both. - Both?

All of the feelings.

- So, Layla... - Nick.

I bet you didn't think we'd start with you, huh?

I'm shocked actually, honored.

I just gotta say, I wanna thank you

for ending season two on, what I like to think is,

one of the most dramatic endings in reality TV history.

It was. I know. It was my honor.

There's been a lot of talk from the girls of, like, what happened.

- Demi is really pretty, really gorgeous. - Yeah.

I think I'd be lying if I said that I didn't at least try

and kiss her.

But it's not even just Demi. It's a rumor...

that wasn't a rumor.

With Demi?

With Jessi?

Mm-hmm. One thing led to another.

-And you made out with her? -Oh, more than that.

Jessi...

how you doing?

Depends on the day.

Obviously, life has been a little different and crazy,

but I'm doing okay.

Okay, there seems to be some confusion

about who did what with Marciano on Vanderpump Villa.

- Yeah. - Let-- Let's start with Demi.

- Yeah. - What? You were there.

Mikayla, you were there. Layla, you were there.

-And Jen was also there. -Yeah.

So, like, what did you guys see?

-Lots of flirting. -Lots of flirting.

I think she spent more time with Marciano than any of the girls.

Even the workers from Vanderpump Villa were like,

- "That's really weird." - Yeah.

Like coming up being like, "Would your husbands be okay if you were doing that?"

And I was like, "No, that's why I'm not doing it."

I mean, you and Demi got in a fight over this.

Oh, yeah. Well, it was just mainly...

I know that their perception of us going into it was that we were swingers,

'cause that's what everyone thought.

-And that's-- was kind of her-- -The people on Vanderpump Villa?

Yes, like the cast.

And so I was just telling her like, "Hey, you are kind of being extra flirty."

And like, "In their mind, they think we're swingers.

I'm more so worried about the way you're gonna be perceived on camera."

And then she took it as I was, like, slut-shaming her.

She's like, "I know-- I know the boundaries of my marriage."

And I was like, "That's fine.

"But just looking out for how you're gonna look to the public.

Like, it's not a good look."

I'm-- I don't know what I'm legally allowed to say,

but there are some accusations out there right now.

And there were just more things that happened

and she was very flirty.

I actually have some receipts. So, do you wanna see 'em?

I came prepared. I hid my phone in the couch.

Yeah, no, we're-- we definitely want receipts.

So, these are from Marciano's phone.

There's a dick pic.

"Get excited!! Hahah baptism by fire."

Demi writes, "Is this how you sweet talk all the ladies?!"

He responds, "LOL, I didn't realize I was sweet talking you."

Demi writes, "Gonna hurl!!" And it's a picture of--

Oh, this was a picture of oysters.

Oh, okay.

He writes, "LOL, don't be a baby."

She responds, "It's no different than swallowing--"

"It's no different than swallowing... cum."

"So, fun fact, Demi doesn't swallow, got it."

Hmm... "I'm never gonna be able to eat oysters again and not think about that."

Where-- Where's Bret in all this?

-Supposedly right there in the room. -Apparently, he knows about--

There's no way he's ever seen these messages. I'd almost--

Of course fucking not. She probably deletes them.

-Does he know about these messages? -No. But I've already tried to tell him,

he doesn't wanna hear it.

And Demi replies, "Hahahahahahah. It ruined it forever."

An eggplant emoji, water droplets, and a clam.

-Oh, boy. -Yeah.

Yeah.

What's the clam emoji?

Maybe like... referencing like a-- like a pussy.

I would guess.

Like, this smells like-- I don't know, that's--

Oh! Lord have mercy!

-I would assume that. -Oh, my!

Oh, I missed that part.

Whitney, after being enemies in season one,

you've grown quite close with Demi.

Does this sound like how Demi talks?

I mean, I find them surprising, but then I'm also like,

"Demi is a very flirtatious person, like--"

That's not something you say when you're married!

- I understand that. - Are they okay?

- I understand that. - Are they appropriate?

Obviously, Whitney, you seem like you're friends with Demi...

-Yeah. -...but, like in just focusing

on these messages alone, what do you think about those?

Yeah, I mean, I would never text some man those messages.

Um... and I would never wanna see that from my partner.

- But... regardless of all of that... - Mm-hmm.

...like, I just don't like how she's being treated.

- What does that mean? - Yeah.

I don't like how she's being treated in the group.

Well, she's not in the group anymore. How do we treat her?

- What did-- What-- - No one talks her.

Really? Because at the People shoot, everyone was--

I think it was you, Taylor, she, like, had turned--

And I will-- Gimme a microphone and I'll say it again.

Holy shit! Let me finish.

She was like, "I need to turn a certain way."

And you were like mocking her about being a cheater.

And then you laughed, you laughed. I'm like, "What the fuck?" Like--

- And I'd do it again. - Regardless of whatever's true--

-Like, what the fuck, Jessi? -But it's okay--

Like, what did she do to you?

Are-- Were you around season two?

-"What did she do to me?" -That's what I'm asking you.

Contracts, hair, throwing me under the bus,

trying to get me kicked off the show.

I ended my friendship with her before all the Marciano stuff

-and that says a lot. -Yeah.

Whitney, when you're willing to kick your best friend off for money,

that's pretty shitty.

- And look how she treated you! - Yeah.

Then you're a shitty friend. It's embarrassing.

Did you not just call Taylor "White trash"?

The gloves are off. War has just begun.

And you better sleep with one eye open.

How does it feel, Whitney?

I literally wanna go ask her "How does it feel?" You're a bitch.

Did you do forget that?

Yeah. I didn't forget that.

But that's a conversation that me and Demi have had

- and we've moved on. - It's convenient. I'll say that.

What's convenient?

Once Demi lost all her friends in the group,

she runs back to Whitney, 'cause they had a common enemy, Taylor.

But it wasn't because we had "a common enemy."

-Like, we just-- -But it was.

We-- We got-- We came together

-and then grew a relationship-- -About Taylor.

We didn't come together about Taylor.

Okay. When-- When did you and Demi start getting closer?

-Yeah. Did you guys go out to lunch and-- -I actually feel like it--

-And kick it off? -I actually feel like it was before that.

I actually feel like it was, like--

- like, towards the end of season two. - Then she lied to all of us.

Remember, "I'm keeping Whitney at arm's length, I don't trust her."

-When she would say that like constantly. -Do you-- Do you think

Demi is an honest person?

Yeah! Like, I would hope so.

Well, I know we all hope so.

-I certainly hope so. -I hope so.

I guess, I'm just--

If I'm reading these messages right,

it-- it seems like she's not-- lying to Bret.

It just-- That just makes me so uncomfortable

to even answer that question.

But yeah, reading that, no, I wouldn't trust her.

Okay. Jessi...

I notice, uh, you have a lot of rings on your finger

but not your wedding ring.

Yeah. So Jordan and I are working through a lot of hard things at the moment.

But all I have to say is that I'm exposing so much of my life

and I'm just hoping that someone in my shoes

may be able to relate to it.

And I'm doing it to help other people, but also 'cause it's my real life

- and it's happening and I can't hide it. - Okay.

Uh, well, that being said,

I mean, like, Layla showed up initially talking about Demi...

Yeah.

...and then we were just-- I mean--

I mean, first of all, I was just shocked

that that was even a rumor going on about Demi

and then all of a sudden, he brings up your name

-and talks about what's going on. -Yeah. Yeah.

Have you guys still been in contact since then?

Yeah, we have, and like, you know, we've tried meeting up or stuff--

- Meeting up? - Yeah.

-It's just been like a really... -To continue it?

Yeah.

When did Marciano and-- and

-whatever happened with you and him start? -Mm-hmm.

Was that happening too at Vanderpump Villa?

- No. No. It was way after this. - Okay.

Well, I have to address what Marciano said.

Yeah.

There were accusations of both just sexual intimacy.

- Yeah. - And an-- an overall affair.

- Mm-hmm. - I mean, I have to ask,

did you have sex with Marciano?

I mean, I have to ask, did you have sex with Marciano?

Mm. Um...

So...

Oh, gosh. I need to hear this.

-No, no, I don't think-- -Move the whole chair up.

-Why can't we? -Stop. Just be quiet.

They definitely contradict.

So, a lot of this story is unpacked in season three,

so I can't talk about it yet.

What do you think Jordan's thinking right now, backstage?

Um, I'm sure he's anxious, nervous, sad,

you know, we're both going through a lot right now.

Um, but I think he's willing to tell his truth, too.

And he's been very vulnerable throughout season three,

so we've both just laid it all out there.

There was a lot more to the story and it's not what you think it is.

There's no secrets. Like, we are exposing it all.

Alright. Well, obviously a lot to unpack,

we'll certainly get to more of that.

Believe it or not, that is just an appetizer for the drama

-that's about to unpack today. -Oh, great!

It's definitely gonna be a bumpy ride.

But first, for those that need a little refresher,

let's take a look back at some of the secrets and fights

that came to a head this season.

In Ephesians 4:32, it says...

-Oh. Dear God. -..."Be kind to one another...

Look me in the eyes, you narcissist.

"...tenderhearted...

You're just a selfish bitch.

"...forgiving each other...

- I wanna move past this, Mikayla. - Then move past it.

...just as God also has forgiven you."

It makes it hard to trust you as a friend,

'cause we don't know when you're gonna have an erratic episode.

If she comes in below the belt,

- I will absolutely dominate her. - Oh, me too.

Yeah, so if you feel that way... door's there.

MomTok is driven by love and unity.

"I think Jen is fake."

Okay, well, this escalated quickly.

-We're trying to empower women. -But you guys all just shit on each other.

She's fake and I think she's a bitch.

I don't think anyone cares to have an actual friendship with you.

'Kay! Let's fucking do it!

Lately, I feel like MomTok is turning on each other left and right.

It's really sad to see

because we're supposed to be women supporting each other.

Go get help. Stop hurting people.

This isn't a miscommunication, this isn't you hating confrontation,

that is literally a pathological liar.

- You don't know the truth. - It doesn't matter.

But guess who does? They all know the fucking truth.

So when you know the full truth, then you can speak on it.

Until then, shut the fuck up.

Holy shit, guys!

How did MomTok get started in the first place?

It started originally with Miranda and I.

We kinda just started getting together, making TikToks.

It was like our thing we did to just kinda get out of--

- Aside from mom life. - Mm-hmm.

Our first few went viral.

So then we just kept doing it and doing it.

And then we started to bring more people in.

And that's when we all started to come in.

- I remember my first one. - I do too.

-You remember, we went together? -Yes.

-No, Layla and I were so nervous. -We were nervous.

And when you guys got started, was it already an organized thing?

-Or was it just, like, women hanging out? -We were mostly-- Yeah, it was for fun.

It was just like, at the time, it was pretty kind of cringy if you will, like...

Oh, I-- I can't watch 'em back sometimes.

...moms getting ready, we were matching

and people were like, "What in the hell?"

The crop tops and the leggings.

Then I started to integrate that we were Mormons

and I would put it at the top, like, "Mormon Moms." So, of course, then,

we got the controversy of like, "Well, you're in a tank top,

so how are you claiming to be Mormon?" 'Cause usually you're in undergar--

Some of us wore undergarments or supposed to be wearing them, you know?

What made you want to go public with the whole swinging scandal?

Tate and I are getting divorced.

We had an agreement, like all of us,

and I did step out of that agreement.

But I don't-- Like, no one was innocent,

everyone has hooked up with, like, everyone in this situation.

I never wanted to do that.

I feel like I almost had to, in a sense, to defend myself.

I was actually talking to Miranda not long ago about it,

of like, if we could go back we would do things differently, right?

From the very beginning of the day of,

that is one of the most traumatic days I've ever experienced.

I'll try not to cry just so I can get through it.

But yeah, I woke up and my ex-husband, like, comes in the room

and he was like, "Hey, like, um, did anything happen last night

with one of the people we were swinging with?" Whatever.

And I'd call it an open relationship, inexperienced, open relationship.

That's what we were all kinda messing around and so, um--

Open relationship, though, is like, a--

like, where you're okay with, like, intimate conversations and stuff

- outside of like the bedroom. - Sure. Right.

So it was more so like--

When we were all together, it was like, okay--

It was like strictly, like, a physical, like, at parties like...

- Yeah. - ...type of like, yeah, soft swinging.

But not like for you to go off on your own,

like, we never agreed to that.

And so, that was like a betrayal that I had, you know, done.

And we were already messing with fire, I'm not trying to justify it, but, like,

when you're rocky and you're messing with alcohol and--

and hooking up with people, things get messy fast.

And so, I remember calling Miranda and being like,

"Hey, like, I had an affair and I-- I did mess up last night."

And, um, I felt really bad, and I'm freaking out,

and, uh, my ex-husband,

he was like bawling, like, "How did you do this?"

Like, "How did you do this?" And like--

I was a loyal wife for, like, six years

and I told him everything besides, like, the last two months of our marriage.

And so, like, for me, I betrayed not only him but myself,

like, everything I believed in.

I hurt someone I truly cared about,

and I still sit with that, like, guilt every single day. Um...

But then it hits online that Taylor's a cheater,

she's a best friend, like, husband stealer.

So you started hearing rumors about your behavior and interactions, and then--

Well, it-- Well, yeah. When it did hit the internet,

I knew it came from our little group, 'cause we're the only ones that knew.

So at that point I was like, "No, like I'm--

I'm gonna go on and tell the truth then."

So I came on a live, not knowing it was gonna explode

and being like, "Okay, I'm just gonna say my truth, that's it."

I get on, I say, "Hey. Yes. Did I have the affair? Yes.

But also, another wife was sucking my husband's dick."

We were like hooking up, and then we were making out, and playing games...

...and videotaped and taking showers together naked.

So like, when you hear "Taylor's a husband stealer," like...

..."Yes, but don't think you weren't hooking up,

sucking my husband's dick, too."

Oh!

Jesus, dude!

- That's my girl, dude. - Jesus Christ.

You felt like you wanted other people to be held accountable as well?

May-- Maybe not even accountable

but like, I didn't want this, like, stigma of me that, "Taylor's just--

"She went after her friend's husband" because that's not how it went.

Like, we were all messing around with each other and we were all hooking up.

I was defending myself of like, "Yes, I did do this

but also you guys were doing it, too."

Miranda, do you feel like coming back to the group

was like your way of hoping this would all be put to bed

and-- and move things forward?

Um... absolutely.

I didn't wanna feel like I was hiding anymore.

So, officially, unofficially, is Miranda back in MomTok?

You know...

-Well, I'm here. So... -She is here.

- She's here. - You're a sweetheart.

- Fingers crossed. - Yeah.

Well, one thing's very clear about this group

that you're all very resilient.

Uh, you're able to get through difficult times.

It seemed like the whole Taylor swinging scandal

got this whole thing started but it also brought you all together.

So, in some ways, maybe a very weird blessing in disguise.

- Yeah. - Mayci, do you remember

when that live dropped

-and your community was talking about it? -Yeah.

Oh yeah. Our group chat was going crazy.

Yeah, our group chat was popping off.

I don't think I've ever, like, looked at Reddit in my life.

And I was like downloading 'cause we didn't even know what's going on.

It was all fun and games until we were all called swingers

and I was like, "Wait a second."

...messages from like your grandma and your uncle that are like,

"Hey, are you swinging?"

Oh, yeah, like all the articles. My parents were like, "What is this?"

Everyone was so pissed.

-I mean, so pissed. -I'm like, "Imagine telling your parents

you were involved."

Oh, my gosh, I know.

But you know what? Out of anyone, Whitney was the one.

Whitney was the first one to wanna hear my side of the story.

- Okay. - So, I think--

I don't know if she still hates me to this day

but like, there's a lot of grace there

because she was the first friend to even, "I wanna hear your side, Taylor."

Interesting.

Whitney, do you hate Taylor?

I don't hate Taylor. I think we just have rifts,

and we just think differently sometimes.

- Okay. - Yeah.

How did the Mormon community, uh,

-welcome MomTok? -Oh, God!

They didn't.

If I'm being honest.

Before even the show started, I mean, you guys were--

I think people-- I think ma-- people made fun of us.

But I also think, like, people also wanted to be a part of it.

- Yeah. Mm-hmm. - You know what I mean?

Like, 'cause it was cringe. Like some of the videos we made

- were a bit cringe, but like... - Yeah.

...I had so much fun making them,

- so whatever. - They were so cringy.

When did you realize that MomTok became like a cultural phenomenon?

I think when people dressed up as us for Halloween.

- Yeah. - That was like a big moment of like, "Oh!"

Mine's a little sappy, but I'm a single mom, obviously,

and mine was seeing like my first big paycheck from, like, brand deals.

I honestly, for a minute there,

when I was post-divorced, didn't think I was gonna be able to make it.

There's times that like I could barely afford to buy groceries

and I would have to like feed just my children,

I wouldn't be able to feed me.

And it's cheesy, but MomTok has like completely changed my life.

I'm able to, like, give my kids a life that they deserve, so...

Love that.

Speaking of changes,

Layla, one big change that the women were hoping for

for you was... the big O.

- Oh. - Oh.

Did you have an orgasm with Cam?

Oh!

Back to you, Layla. Speaking of changes,

one big change the women were hoping for for you was... the big O.

- Oh. - Oh.

Did you have an orgasm with Cam?

Oh!

-The-- The what? -The big O.

-What's-- -Orgasm.

Oh!

Any updates you are able to offer us? How things are going in that department?

I have. I've officially become a woman but wasn't from a man, unfortunately.

One day. But I love my vibrator. Me and her are tight.

And I think all men need to learn that every Batman needs a Robin.

-You know what I'm saying? -Oh! I love it.

It's a teammate.

Yeah, team player.

Well, just like Layla's vibrator,

take a look and see how Whitney worked overtime

to win back the women she once called her crew.

Wait, is that Whitney?

Whitney, Whitney, Whitney.

Hey.

I feel like she definitely like hit her head

and forgot what she did last year.

Whitney was deemed the villain, she earned every bit of that title.

This is the circle. She's out here.

Hi!

You're best friend's here.

I am trying to make amends with all of these women.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm shocked you're still showing up to MomToks.

I don't know, I just don't see us being friends, I don't see us hanging out.

But... I wish the best for you.

Felt like their minds were already made up before they even met up with me.

I can't force anyone to like me.

Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful to be together as a MomTok... family?

She's not a part of MomTok.

You know that ain't gon' happen.

I feel like this is actually the perfect time

to talk about Whitney's place in the group.

I feel good about Whitney. How do you feel?

-I'm happy with the progress. I'm good. -Same.

I'm fine with it.

I've given you chances

and I feel like done dirty after having your back, for what?

I don't think I have to say anything. I think everyone knows where I stand.

Majority rule, she's back in.

-Is that okay with everyone? -I guess we'll see.

I don't think she's ever gonna change.

Once her true colors come out, it's gonna be an "I told you so" moment.

Uh, Mikayla, I do have to ask,

like, I understand why you have some frustrations with Whitney.

- Yeah. - But, like, why do you hate her so much?

I don't hate anyone but I just get annoyed, I can't help it.

You-- You definitely look like you hate her.

Yeah. It definitely feels like she hates her.

She needs to take accountability for hating her, 'cause she hates her.

She can hate her, though.

Was it any one particular thing that happened between you and Whitney?

I wouldn't say like one particular thing. It kinda started in Park City.

I was feeling left out of that friendship

'cause I was going through all my chronic health issues.

- Mm-hmm. - And we had like two conversations,

I think that weren't aired,

of we can both do better putting more effort into the friendship.

And then two days later, I'm unfollowed, everyone's unfollowed for no reason.

And I was confused because I was like, "I thought we worked this out."

And she even texted me after like, "Thanks for opening up."

And I was like, "Love you, sorry." Whatever.

-Two days later, unfollowed. -Yeah, I think you forgot the JZ party.

It wasn't just out of nowhere.

It was after the JZ party that I unfollowed everyone.

What happened at the JZ party?

I just felt attacked at that party.

But you did come in asking us to be honest with you.

- See that's what the issue is. - Yeah, and I was,

but the problem was

is that even after me owning up to that, it was the continue--

"Let's continue attack Whitney."

I don't feel welcome. I don't feel welcome.

I'm continually forcing myself to be here and I feel like I'm not respecting myself.

It's like, I don't wanna go into places I'm not welcome at.

And that's exactly what the JZ party was.

- And then I got salty. - No, the JZ party,

you went in saying,

"I want everyone to tell me the issues they have with me."

- Yeah. - And then you couldn't take it.

You walked out saying, "I'm a victim of the situation."

I don't know. I think you have a hard time seeing that you are the problem

a lot of the time.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Whit-- Whitney, there was a part this season

where you were frustrated about the drama between you and Mikayla,

and then seemed to get a little excited

that there was drama going on between Demi and Jen.

- Mm. - And you-- you-- well, you flat-out said

that you were gonna let everyone focus on that drama,

so the drama about you, less people would focus on.

Yeah.

Do you see how that might come across as kind of calculated?

Calculated that what? Like I don't wanna be in the hot seat?

'Cause I am every time.

Well, it's just more calculated that not--

It's one thing not to want to have drama directed at you...

...but you seem to lean into the drama about Demi and Jen.

You know, that seems a little bit different

than not just wanting drama on yourself.

Yeah, I mean, that was an insecurity of mine.

I hated that like I couldn't have a conversation with someone

and get to the bottom of it.

And we still haven't gotten to the bottom of it.

Constantly calling me a manipulator, constantly calling me a narcissist,

and me coming to you and saying, "Hey, why?"

-I'm sorry I can't read your mind-- -I'm sorry. Did everyone not tell you why?

Let me finish.

- Go ahead. - I'm sorry I can't read your mind.

I've owned up to everything that I feel like I did wrong.

-Every. Single. Thing. -Like what?

- Yeah. - The unfollowing,

the not showing up to things which--

- You continue to do. - Don't even get me started there.

You unfollowed Mayci right after season two.

-No, I didn't. -Okay, well, we have proof.

I come to you, I wanna understand why,

and there's nothing.

But what you do do, is the mocking videos,

the constant little side comments

-when we're all together... -Mm-hmm.

...to intentionally hurt me.

- Mm-hmm. - And you know what to say to me,

because we used to be friends...

-I don't know what to say to you. -...that's going to hurt me.

News flash, Mikayla, that's not calling someone out,

that's being a bully.

News flash, Mikayla, that's not calling someone out,

that's being a bully.

- That's what that is. - No, it isn't.

Have you never made a video?

Okay. Well, every feud begins with a fallout.

For old friends, Whitney, Mikayla, and Mayci,

it began back in season one.

How are things now with Conner?

I feel like things are better now. But there was like a slip-up.

I just like, I had grabbed his phone and there was porn on his phone.

- Did you bring it up to him or did-- How-- - How was that?

Yeah, I-- I lost my absolute shit.

Especially when you're still like rebuilding trust...

- Yeah. - ...after the first incident.

-I think I felt more lonely than... -After finding that out?

...than I did when I first found out.

Like, I even felt like from you guys.

What about from us?

There was no follow-up. There was no, "How are you doing?"

But we were there for you.

- Okay, but-- - I feel like we had lots of--

That is so invalidating. No, you weren't.

I don't wanna not validate how you're feeling.

Well, you just did.

But also you-- you're invalidating anything that we've done for you as well.

There has been some resentment boiling up between Whitney and Mikayla.

- I wanna be heard. - Yeah.

And I'm-- I just haven't been.

It's okay. It's okay.

I think Whitney likes a lot of attention.

She does things very out on a whim and spontaneously

when she's feeling out of control.

- Whitney? - Yep.

Um, obviously, you're crying over there.

Um, why is this so hard for you to watch?

I mean, the past is painful.

Do you feel like you could've been there more for her?

Well, we looked back on this and I think-- I felt like we were there for her.

-Mm-hmm. -Like we hung out all the time.

She was the first person that she told us about the affair,

-Conner's affair. -Yeah.

We were there for her, checking in constantly.

Yes. And I-- Even then I still apologized.

'Cause I'm like, "If you didn't feel supported, I'm sorry."

'Cause I never want any of my friends to not feel supported in a hard situation.

And that's how that conversation ended,

-was with that. -Yeah.

Well, at the end of the day...

-Well, from Mayci, not from you. -...it's how you're feelings--

I'm talking. Um, it was, "Your feelings are valid,

and if you felt that way, I'm sorry."

But again, it was her isolating herself when they went to Europe.

She was telling us, "Me and Conner are better than ever."

And then coming back and saying, "No one checked in on me."

And it's like, we're going through our own shit.

I was going through the depths of my chronic illness.

I just had surgery like two days before that scene.

Mayci was going through IVF.

And so, it's again, just like the expectations and the friendship test

that got really--

It just like drained all the energy from every friendship she was in.

Whitney, there was a different time you were talking with Mayci in-- in season two

and she confronted you about the launch party.

And your response was, you didn't regret it

because that's how you felt in that moment.

- Yeah. - But can't you look back and realize

that even though you felt the way you did,

you could have handled it better?

So let me ask you a question.

I texted Mayci before the event.

-I said, "I'm not okay right now." -Multiple days before.

"I-I-I don't feel safe showing up to your event.

"I'm so sorry.

Like, I'm supporting you from here."

What--What was I supposed to do differently?

I think his question is, is like, even if you felt that way at that time,

you could still feel bad you weren't able to support one of your best friends

on one of the biggest nights of her company. You can feel bad for that.

-You're able to. -And I feel like I've expressed that.

Do you feel bad for it? Yes or no? That's what he was asking.

- Well, yeah, of course. - Do you regret it?

Of course, like, why-- I don't regret the decision I made. Holy shit!

You don't think you could've handled it better?

I-- In the space that I was in,

I feel like I handled it the best that I could.

And that's valid, to think that if that's the best that you can do,

- that's valid. Yeah. - Yeah. Thank you.

Well, we've obviously talked about some sensitive stuff about Conner

and there is a lot to unpack here.

Later tonight, we'll be joined by Conner

who will shed more light on his porn addiction

and the truth behind that struggle.

But on a lighter note,

while conflict was brewing in Whitney's world,

coffee was brewing behind closed doors for Mikayla.

I wonder how the Good Lord feels about that.

Let's take a look at Mikayla's obsession with coffee enemas.

To be on, like, prescription medications, like, is that against the religion?

I think if it's prescribed and you're taking it as prescribed, it's fine.

Okay. What about coffee enemas?

'Cause they never said anything about putting it in your butt.

You love to put things in your butt, don't you?

Oh my goodness!

How often does Mikayla talk about coffee enemas?

Probably every day.

I brought coffee. We're gonna do a coffee enema for you today.

Shut up!

Jessi, the doctor's ready to see you.

- Are your hands clean? - It's going in her ass!

What do you think is dirtier?

-Okay, now what? -Now you go shit.

This was my haul from this morning.

-What the hell-- -Wait, what? Is there shit in that?

- That's her shit! - Wait, what? No!

Mikayla! Stop!

No! No!

I should just leave it at that and say nothing.

Yuck!

Um... yeah, I just had to one-up Whitney's pregnancy test in the cake.

Just kidding.

Um, I do love coffee enemas. Oh, obviously,

-I can't do 'em now that I'm pregnant. -Okay.

- Sorry. Go ahead. - I have a question for all of you.

- Yes, go ahead. - Like, why are Mormons so specific

about holes?

Holes? Oh, no.

'Cause you get in trouble easily.

- So, you have to be like so specific. - It's the loopholes.

The loopholes.

Yeah. Was it Jace

who said it's the "poophole loophole."

Keep going, Nick!

But I mean, I am curious.

I think a lot of people out there are very fascinated,

- obviously, with the Mormon religion. - Yeah.

And it seems like there's a lot of rules,

but there's also like a lot other things in ways to get around those rules.

- Like, what do you guys think about that? - No, I agree.

And that's why I asked, I was genuinely curious.

Can you put it in your butt if you can't drink it?

Like, does-- is it 'cause

-it's passing through your liver? -It's a good question.

-Like, is there like weird stipulations? -It's a health thing.

So I feel like when it's a "health thing," it's like allowed.

-You could say anything's a health thing. -A lot of the loopholes come from BYU.

Like ketamine therapy. Like, "That's allowed."

I will say, it was very refreshing. Like, I felt good after.

- Kinda like lighter? - Yes! She had a lot of energy.

- You guys love soda. - Yeah.

I put that up my butt too.

Just kidding.

But doesn't that have caffeine in it?

Like, why can you all drink soda and not coffee?

That's a good question.

Ugh, well, it's hard to believe,

but a caffeinated colon is not the craziest thing you'll see tonight.

Up next, we're joined by Dakota and self-declared fan favorite--

Taylor, any guesses?

Demi?

Nailed it!

And still ahead, we are joined by Jen and Zac

for the first time since they left last season.

Welcome back to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

They say behind every MomTok is a man holding a ring light.

And through darkness and light, one man has truly seen it all.

-Dakota, welcome to the show, man. -Uh, how's it going?

-Good to see you, buddy. -Thank you. Appreciate it.

-Yeah, how you doing? Okay. -I'm doing alright. A little nervous.

Nervous?

- Yeah. Yep. - He looks so nervous.

-He's dying. -Did you see his face?

You seemed, uh, really emotional backstage

listening to Taylor's whole swinging scandal story.

How you doing?

Yeah, it's-- it's always hard, I think, to hear those things.

Are you happy to be here? Nervous to be here? Like what's--

-How are you feeling right now? -In this-- In this moment right now,

I'm-- I'm extremely nervous.

What makes you the most nervous?

- Be honest. - Just the-- Yeah, I think just--

If-- I don't know. I feel like it's, uh, just me, alone.

- Just you? No one else? - Yeah.

No one sitting to your left?

Well, yeah, but I'm just saying like in general,

I think it just feels kind of like, uh--

-He doesn't have Jordan here. -It's a metaphorical island.

- Well, I just don't-- - He's a little nervous right now.

Well, hey, guys. I mean-- I think he's just a friend, honestly.

- "Doesn't have Jordan here." - Shut up!

-You're his little pit bull, dude. -I'll be right there, Kitten Whiskers.

- Well, I'm not-- - Your boyfriend.

I'm hoping we're-- we're all feeling better after...

He's just a friend.

...after, uh, you leave here tonight.

-You know, especially you two. -Low chance.

- Low chance? - To leave here happy?

- Sure. - Yeah.

So you're saying there's a chance?

Sure. Yeah.

-I'll give it a chance. -It's low but it's there.

Well, we've seen them at their best,

not entirely sure about that.

Uh, we've seen them at their worst and everywhere in between.

Check out MomTok's most notorious rollercoaster relationship.

- Also known as Taylor and Dakota. - Oh, gosh, I'm scared.

- Hello! Come on in. - Hi.

Oh, there's your girlfriend.

"Thank you for letting me crash at your house,"

and he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me.

So, yeah.

I said, "Are you dating Taylor?"

And he told me, "No, it was just for clout."

I feel like a piece of fucking trash.

I hate him.

Taylor asked me to move out. I-- I just wish I was honest to her.

She's fucking mad.

I would do anything to have my family, to be with Taylor.

I just feel conflicted.

- Everything with Dakota? - Uh, yeah.

She said if she found out that there was more with Jenna,

-she would leave him, so I'm like... -I know.

...the line's just gonna keep moving.

It's just so exhausting going back and forth, back and forth.

I'm trash to him.

You come over the next night,

fuck me--

What does that say about you?

That's what I'm saying. I was trash!

-Are you getting sick of that? -Yeah.

Like, just the feeling of just total fight or flight

-and chaos? -Yeah. I am.

-I have nothing to say. -Mm-hmm.

There's no more words.

I know, but you still talk. Like, and fight like you're together.

I feel like it's been sorta done, to be honest.

If he were to go on a date with someone, would you be pissed?

In our therapy session, I feel like, for the first time,

he was not only hearing me, but he was listening to me.

"Taylor, when's the last time you and Dakota had sex?"

Well, according to my neck, last night.

Oh! You said, no!

- 'Kay. See you, Taylor. - Alright, bye.

-I almost said, "I love you." -Uh-oh.

- Well, I do, but you know what I'm saying. - Yeah.

Can I just be honest with you two?

- Yeah. - Like, it really breaks my heart

to see you guys with so much hurt and so much pain

because, you know, when I watch the two of you,

you know, I see a lot of pain and frustrations,

but I still see a lot of love between the two of you.

Is-- Am I way off or...?

- No. You're not off. - Yeah. I--

Where do you guys stand today?

We are just individually needing to do so much like self-work on ourselves

and to be better parents for our son.

And I mean, our friends all can see that I do get very giddy around him.

I-- I did want Dakota, and from day one, did I show it in the best way? No.

Was I fully open? No.

Because I always had an intuition something was off,

and granted, I was very correct on that.

Have you learned new things since that big reveal

- at the beginning of season two? - Unfortunately, a lot.

- Like what? - So, the first one was a girl.

When we were in our talking phase,

Dakota says, "Hey, like I don't sleep with multiple girls at one time."

Did he owe me to say that? No.

But because he had said that, I believed it, right?

So when he-- we were having sex,

I didn't think that there would be another girl in there, right?

And so I posted our first TikTok together.

Someone was like, "Oh, he was with my roommate last week."

So I call him one day and I was like, "Hey, did you hook up with anyone?"

And he's like, "Yeah, I did."

And I was like, "Okay, well, why lie? You didn't owe me that." It hurt--

This is all going on, like, in the early stages of your relationship?

Yes. And I'm already hurt post-divorce.

Like, I'm obviously going through a lot.

So I'm like so sad that he lied about having sex with someone,

the night I'm crying about it, he goes and hooks up with Jenna.

And then he comes over the next day to my house,

says sorry and has sex with me.

Well, he had sex with me the day before,

then Jenna, then me after.

It was like he was never sorry after the girl he had just hurt me with.

Because if you had been then you went and

rubbed your cock on some other girl that n-- same night.

Like, what the fuck?

And so, for me, I didn't find this out till post-baby.

I just had a baby, and this is all coming out.

And it only came out because Jenna was coming out to tell me.

So this wasn't coming from his heart.

This was, you were cornered,

so you wanna be a "good guy" and tell me two weeks before I actually find out.

So it was the gaslighting

to make me feel crazy for what I was feeling,

when I was actually a hundred percent accurate.

That is the betrayal.

Dakota, obviously, Taylor has some

-very still hurt feelings... -Yes.

-...about that whole situation. -Understatement.

Can you explain yourself?

-This does seem like a lot. -Yeah.

So why can't you just come clean?

I-- Um...

- This is your time, buddy. - This is your time to say, I'm sorry.

- He's got this. We-- Come on, Dakota. - I hope he does.

- He does. Let's manifest it. - He needs--

-He needs to apologize first to Taylor. -Right now.

Say sorry.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, I freaking screwed up and...

- Boom. Accountability. - Great.

...I didn't go about any of that the right way, but like--

"But!"

-I could tell that she was hurting. -Yeah.

And in my eyes, I was kind of like, "Do I want to hurt her more right now?"

I think I just justified it in my head.

- Like, I was afraid of the consequences-- - Yeah. I-I hear that.

-Yeah. But nothing-- -Yeah.

Nothing frustrates me more than when people say, like,

"I lied because I didn't wanna upset you," because, like, you deliver it in a way

that sounds like you're doing something for them.

-A hundred percent. -But all you're doing is like

-something for yourself. -Yeah. No, it's for me.

It's selfish, yeah. And that's what I was just meaning.

As much as I, like, I cared for Taylor so much and I knew it,

I just always felt like I was, in a way, sabotaging it.

Like, Taylor was coming from a very broken place.

- Mm-hmm. - I knew that.

I also was coming from a very broken place, too.

Like, I just got sober not that long.

I'm not sure if I could even do a relationship right now.

And I don't think I really understood that if I'm being honest with you.

Because obviously when I was, uh, you know, in the height of my addiction,

like, sex, I could care less about.

- I'd rather get high. - Sure.

You know, I'm releasing all these endorphins and--

and then all of a sudden to just be like, "Boom. Oh, you don't have anything now."

Okay, where do I turn it to? Where do I turn it to?

Heroin is like this on releasing it.

Sex is like this.

So, it's like I almost needed

- just something. - Sure.

I spent 10 years of my life addicted to drugs,

like, to where, I-I never got the chance to learn anything about myself,

to-- to do anything. I don't know how to do shit.

-Yeah. -And again, none of this is like trying--

I'm just trying to explain, like, just what it's like for me.

I think, when I started seeing Taylor,

I think just given the situation, even on her end, that scared me.

- Like, I don't know-- - What-- Uh, what scared you?

Like, just-- just with, uh, her divorce, uh, the swinging stuff.

I wasn't sure if Taylor even could do it either on her end.

- To do what? - Like a relationship with me.

- Uh-huh. - Like, even though she committed to me,

you know, like I'm a recovering addict. My biggest thing was like,

"Hey, if you wanna drink, you wanna go party,

I don't want that in my life."

And she got drunk the next three nights in a row.

- Yeah. - Like it felt like, I was like,

"I don't even know if you want this."

Like, "I don't even know if you can do this.

So maybe I'll just kinda wait and see how this goes for a little bit."

Me doing what I was even doing during that point,

I think, was a way of almost, uh...

like, protecting myself.

Like, from-- from being hurt, which is-- It's stupid.

Like, because the only person I hurt was Taylor from that.

And I didn't treat him the way he should've been treated.

I-- I'll take accountability on my part. I was awful.

And I was very reactive and mean because I think when you're lied to--

So I just became so angry.

Have you heard the phrase, "Hurt people hurt people"?

-Mm-hmm. -Yeah, I agree. Absolutely.

I can't help but wonder when I watch,

my impression is that if you would say yes,

Dakota would be back together with you...

-In a heartbeat. Yes. -...today.

And you're getting everything from Dakota right now.

-You're getting sex, you're getting-- -I'm getting nothing but sex.

Mm, no.

What do you think I'm getting other than that? I'm curious.

- Taylor-- - You--

You at least seem to be in control in this situation.

-For once. For once. -And while I understand it's difficult,

I-- I just can't help but wonder, whether it's subconsciously or not.

And God knows you've been through a lot and you've been through so much hurt,

but I just wonder, is there a part of you that keeps doing this with Dakota...

...as a way to get back at him

-because you-- it tortures him so much. -No, it's because I'm angry.

I'm angry 'cause I wanted him. I wanted to be with him.

Yes. It's not to get revenge.

If I wanted to get revenge, I'd go fuck someone, hurt someone.

That's how you would hurt him. That's how he would be hurt.

I don't think it's intentional, but like--

That's not what I wanna do to him. I don't wanna hurt him.

I'm hurt-- Like, I'm hurting now because, like, I--

Like I trusted Dakota over myself and I'm-- I'm angry with myself

because I knew he was lying and I, like--

He told me every day, and he would hold me as I'm sitting here

crying like this to him

and he would say, "I'm here and I'm safe, and I'm telling you the truth."

And to find out, when you just had a baby, he's lied to you your whole relationship.

And so now I'm like, "What's real and what's not real?"

I don't know anymore.

Dakota, is there something,

anything you would like to say to Taylor right now?

I literally love you so much...

...and, uh, I was just trying to navigate

so many, like, uh, new things that I-- I've never experienced.

Like you being pregnant even, for example, it's, like, I don't know what that's like.

And all I knew is I loved her and that's what I wanted.

And-- And in my mind it's like I almost felt like

I was like, "I'll do anything

to, uh, just like have that opportunity to be with her and my family."

And, um...

...it's just so hard because that's like--

I just went about everything... the worst way.

Dakota, do you think you're capable of being a faithful and honest partner?

Yes, a hundred percent.

And especially now, like--

And I think that's why it was so hard is when I got so close to having, um...

a kid with her, it's like,

I just felt like it-- it just-- I don't know, it just sucked.

Because then it was like she was already, to me, she was checked out.

Taylor, do you think whatever work he's been doing

and you've had a front-row seat to that,

regardless of whether it's with you or with someone else,

do you think Dakota's capable of being a faithful and honest partner?

Maybe one day.

If I were to answer today, no.

Why not?

I mean, I-- I just found out new things weeks ago

for me that would be really hard to say.

And he was looking me in the face saying, "I'm doing everything I can.

"I've told you everything, Taylor. I'm ready for this.

I wanna do anything," as he's lying to me.

So, no.

Yeah, she's pissed.

- Well, let me ask you guys. - Yeah?

Uh, we ended season two with an official breakup,

um, but you're very active online.

Uh, what is with these posts at Stagecoach?

'Cause I-- I gotta say,

licking each other's faces isn't giving co-parenting, it's--

it's giving something more maybe.

Where do you guys stand today?

Because it-- it seems-- I--

I was honestly shocked when I saw those pictures.

I'm like, "Oh, they're back together."

And then-- then it seemed like you guys weren't.

So, like, what-- what's really going on?

It's hard because, like, I never wanted this,

but at the end of the day,

I cannot sit in the same bed with him and have peace.

So we will never be together now.

If you're never gonna be together, why do you keep doing--

Because it's hard. It's hard.

- I understand that it's hard, but-- - It's confusing for me, too.

Dakota, do you feel like you have, like, a-- a playbook

or roadmap of what you're supposed to do

to try to get back together with Taylor?

I mean, shit!

I'm giving her still every part of me. I'm right here!

Is she asking you to give...

-No. No. Of course, she's not. -...more than your giving?

I mean, is there-- Maybe you need to

-accept her boundary and-- -Yes, uh-- Right. Well--

And just play the role that she wants you to play.

It-- Like, someone in this pairing

is gonna have to stand up and do the right thing

and say no to each other.

-Right. -Say no to temptation.

I mean, someone's gotta do it.

- I mean, do you ladies all agree? - Yeah.

- Please. - Whatever you guys decide,

I hope you both are able to give each other grace and-- and find some peace

because the love is still clearly there.

And I just hope that you guys stop torturing each other.

Up next, we're joined by self-declared fan favorite, Demi.

And still ahead, we are joined by Jen and Zac

for the first time since they left last season.

We'll be right back.

Welcome back to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

She called herself a fan favorite,

unfortunately for this reunion, she had to phone it in.

Take a look at a recent conversation I had with Demi.

Alright.

-Keep it on, let's hear it. -Let's hear.

-Oh, hey, Demi. -Hi!

I'm a little sad that we're not necessarily with

the rest of the crew.

Do you wanna wave to them at all or...

- No, I'm good. - No? Okay. Alright.

Just kidding. Hello.

With that being said, I have to ask,

like why are we not together with the rest of the ladies at the reunion?

There's definitely some things going on with the girls,

but I would've been there.

Um, we planned a Disneyland trip with my family.

Okay. Do you think any of the ladies will have opinions, uh, about your absence?

For sure.

Who do you think will be the most critical?

Probably Taylor.

I think Taylor's gonna think that I'm like running away from something.

I did kinda step away from the group, just protecting my peace.

"Protecting my peace."

It did feel like, you know, most of the season,

you and Taylor seemed to be pretty good

and then towards the end, things escalated pretty quickly.

Can you speak to why things turned so fast?

I think there's a lot of chaos going on in Taylor's life

that a lot of people don't know about.

And she was throwing us under the bus online with the CMA post

and trying to like make us look bad, and everything just compounded.

Do you think you're the only one in the group

who's brave enough to stand up to Taylor?

I think everyone's a little bit scared of her,

which they have either admitted to me,

or they feel like they owe something to her

for getting them this opportunity.

Do you think Taylor gives you ladies the credit

for the role you've played in MomTok?

Absolutely not. No.

Yeah. Hmm.

- Taylor... - Oh, gosh.

...do you feel like you value the other women of MomTok?

Absolutely. And I think if you were to ask anyone in this room,

they will say that.

Mm, I don't know if Whitney would, but I think the rest would say that.

- Well, they're all here. Yeah? - Oh, yeah.

Taylor's the first one to want to bring other people with her.

And she, to be honest, has so much going on in her life

that she doesn't even care about the opportunities

and the glitz and the glamour. She's like, "You guys go do it."

When Demi tried to get more money, Taylor was the first one to say,

"I started this and I don't even think I deserve more money.

We did this together."

Can I ask you about that, though? It's got brought up earlier, the money--

Honestly, when that got talked about early in season two,

I was shocked, just how unbothered you acted about it.

- Yeah. - Like, for me,

I would've been really upset and frustrated

because like she tried to take money from you

and she was happy with you leaving MomTok. Am I understanding--

- Kicking me out. Yeah. - Kicking-- Yeah.

- Sure. Either way. Like-- - Um, so the hard thing is, this happened

about two months before we started filming again.

So we had already hashed it out and when it came up on camera,

I was like, "Well, we've already worked through it,

so I don't wanna ruin my friendship with her again."

- Okay. - Also, I didn't know all the facts.

There were things she said to the girls about me that I had no clue.

So I'm operating on just what she said to me.

- Like what? - Like that, "I don't wanna be a pawn

in Jessi's hair scheme."

Like, "She's just using all of this for her business."

- Yep. - There were so many other things,

"She has no morals and values."

Like really disgusting things just because I was willing to take less money.

Yet she was willing to kick me off the show for more money.

But at the time, I was really willing to look past it

because we had mended our friendship.

And to be honest, when we had that conflict,

she told me, "I'm disappointed in you. You need to earn my trust back."

And like, "You're basically on thin ice."

So I was like, "Okay, I can't do anything."

Whitney, do you think Taylor supports the other women?

I think that, yeah, I can agree that Taylor's going through a lot

and I feel like has been for a while,

but when people would invite Taylor to come to things,

she didn't always show up.

- Yeah. - And...

I don't think that means she doesn't value us

- as MomTok members, though. - Yeah.

I definitely don't call myself the fan favorite.

- That's for sure. - There's only one who did that.

And the thing is that Taylor is actually pretty damn humble about it.

She does not take credit.

But the thing is, Taylor at least can come back after that.

Like after the CMA drama and she was like, "Guys, that was fucked up and I'm sorry."

So I feel like that's where Demi and Taylor, like, are different there.

Is that Demi does those actions

and, like, she doesn't understand actions have consequences almost.

Yeah. Like, I knew I was in the hot seat and why.

Do you think, uh, Taylor's better at taking accountability than Demi?

-Absolutely. Yeah. -A hundred percent.

- Mikayla? - As of recently, for sure.

Yes and no, because I feel like

the first time me and Miranda talked to you,

-you said you weren't sorry. -About the CMAs-- No, you can finish.

Yeah. You said you weren't sorry.

So I'm like, I just felt, like, confused.

I wasn't sorry for like the original post,

'cause in my head, yes, it was petty,

- thought it was funny, whatever. - Yeah.

I didn't think things were gonna get to that level.

But then, Mikayla and Mayci had taken me aside

and they're like, "Well, we are getting kinda bullied."

And it's like, I am sorry for that.

Like, I'm sorry it got to that point for you guys.

But I think I was still valid in my feelings of it.

Like, one of the coolest experiences I experienced

and I felt like I wasn't supported.

Was I sorry for the initial post? Not really.

But it-- was I sorry for the way people treated them and that point?

- Absolutely. - Yeah.

Whitney, do you think you're better than Taylor

at taking accountability?

Um, no, I don't think that I'm the one to judge that.

I'm not asking you to judge it, I'm asking what you think.

No. I think that we're equal in that.

Equally good or equally bad?

I think that...

Well, I would say I'm very good at taking accountability.

So I don't know if you're equal in that.

Well, I don't think I'm bad at taking accountability either.

Who thinks Taylor's good at taking accountability?

Oh.

Who thinks Whitney's good at taking accountability?

Actually, I-- I better stay out of it. Sorry. I-- I didn't even-- I don't know.

-Dakota, put your hand down. -What'd he say?

I was like, "Hang on, sorry."

Uh, is no one voting for Whitney?

No, I said I've seen Whitney take accountability

on a lot of occasions as well.

- Okay. Well, that does it. - I just think it's so double standard.

- I really do. - How so?

I mean, you just sat here and asked me,

"Do you feel like you justify your actions based off of my feelings?"

- Mm-hmm. - Well, here's someone who constantly

belittles me and hurts me.

So is she justified in her feelings to treat me that way?

-Personally-- -I just feel like I'm being, like,

called out by you, like, constantly.

- Even like throughout-- - Personally, I feel, like, I've--

I've heard Taylor take accountability for a lot of things.

She does a lot of things, too.

I don't think I've heard you take accountability

from what I've seen.

Well, then, I guess that's your opinion

-because I feel like I have. -Okay.

When one person's on the outs,

it's like everybody gangs up on that one person.

-I've owned up to my shit. -What's an example of that?

- I've tried to move on. - Other than you?

When everyone ganged up on you though, I had your back.

And so did I.

And we all said at the finale, we're g-- I'm good with you--

Like, most of us said that.

If you're saying everyone is going at you, I didn't.

I said I've been exactly where you are,

let's not kick her while she's down, let's give her some grace.

Okay, well, speaking of being down,

one moment that can't go ignored, of course, is CMA Gate.

Taylor, you hit the feed with anger

after feeling like the women didn't show up

to celebrate this moment for you.

Your castmates, however, have a different story.

During that fight between you and Taylor,

was there anything that happened when the cameras turned off?

As I was talking about how I deserved to fight for what I was worth,

she would make these little petty comments and--

and be like, "Oh, yeah, the favorite, the star."

I remember a group of girls came up to us

and they were like, "Can we get a picture?"

And she, in front of all the girls, was like, "Demi, do you want the middle,

where you think you belong?"

So I ended up calling her and I just asked her if everything was okay.

And then I briefly brought up how I was like,

"You don't really interact with me

as much as you do with the other girls online."

And she ended up admitting, "Maybe I haven't been as interactive with you."

And I said, "That's great. Thank you for admitting that."

And she then later, goes online, throws us all under the bus.

And she specifically called me out and was like,

"I find this very hypocritical and interesting of Demi to be so upset,

"when she called me two days ago

being upset about me not interacting with her online."

And it's just a sneak peek into how Taylor subtly manipulates the narrative

to look a certain way...

...so that everyone can be like, "Oh, Demi's crazy."

What do you think stops the other women from standing up to Taylor

the way you tried to do this season?

Enough of the girls have seen people who do stand up to Taylor,

both publicly and to her,

the way that she reacts, she immediately takes it online.

Her followers believe everything that she says.

Honestly, truly, I got a taste of the fear of her following.

It is something fierce.

Like, I said online in a few comments

that I was like, "This is a cult following."

But there's no other way to describe it.

It's a daunting task to go up against Taylor.

-I'm flattered. -I actually hate the narrative

that Demi's the only one willing to stand up to you.

-There's others-- -Like, I stood up to you,

and we worked through our shit because we're adults.

I don't think there's a single person in here

- that's afraid of me. - No.

No. And I don't think anyone felt the same way either and she knew that.

That's why it was so awkward at Saints and Sinners,

that she like, "And everyone agrees, right?"

-Yeah. -We're all like, "No.

- Actually, you know we don't agree." - Silent, crickets.

-Yeah. -I'm actually a very passive, calm person

besides to Dakota, I will say.

So I'm--

- Lucky you. - I am reactive, yes, online. But like...

all of us can sit here and I can have a conversation with you, calm as day.

Jessi and I have been through it. Whitney--

The fact that you and I can sit in the same room,

-and like there's literally no issues. -Layla, we haven't been through--

Taylor, I want to ask you about CMA Gate, like--

Yeah. I was being petty as shit. Yeah. I'll admit that.

- Okay. You were being petty. - Yeah, I was being petty.

- Accountability. There you go. - I thought it was kind of funny.

But is there a difference between private support via text

- or comments online? - yes.

Because honestly, I'm confused

because I would much rather have a, like, a call or a text from a friend

than them to comment, like, on my Instagram.

Okay. Well, I will say, nowadays, social media does matter,

- hence what she said, right? - Okay. Yeah.

"I've noticed you are on all the other girls

but you're not on mine." So we do notice those type of things.

So that matters in your world?

- Yes. - I think it depends on who,

'cause in five years when no one-- or 10 years when no one gives a shit

who you are online, you're only gonna have your friends.

And if you screwed 'em all over, you're not gonna have 'em.

And I think that's what really kinda got through to you is like, "You're right."

I thought it was fake-- Like planned.

-Like, that's why I was petty. -That we-- we all planned to not comment.

Like I thought, I was like, I wonder-- I wonder if she'll like--

I thought it was like a joke, like--

But let me ask you this though, and I get public support matters,

-but, like, how long did you wait? -It was like a day.

- Like, I thought it was weird. - It was less than 24 hours.

She said she waited 24 hours.

What if Mikayla's getting an enema?

Like, you know, maybe she's off her phone.

I just thought it was a little weird,

which they all agreed to, it was weird that no one did.

-They've all said that. -It was a weird coincidence.

Yeah, I think it was just--

Overall, we're pretty-- We try to be supportive.

- Like Mikayla said, even just one person-- - Yeah.

Even just one. I would've been like, "Oh, okay, whatever."

- But there was none. - Yeah.

Like, not a single one saying, this is cool, or congrats, or-- Nothing.

So you ladies all kind of at least understand

-where Taylor's coming from. -Yeah, totally.

- Okay. - Yeah.

Yeah, no, we did. I think it was just hard.

I think, at least in me and Mikayla's position,

'cause I'm like, "We were there for you.

I did text you about that opportunity. I was so stoked for you."

-Yeah. And I don't think that wasn't. -Yeah.

And I was just being petty as shit and I'll admit that.

But when Demi's saying, "Yeah, like, very calculated

on every single thing." No.

Do you think, uh, the rest of the ladies should be afraid of your fans?

I mean, I hate--

That's what I was saying with Mikayla, that's what I apologized for.

I will say your fans are wild, for sure.

- They love Taylor. - Love Taylor.

Like, I'm happy for you, but yeah they are.

-Dakota's probably felt it. -Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh!

I also get a lot of hate though too. A lot of hate.

Well, we can put CMA Gate to bed at least. Okay. Alright.

-Well-- -Until the next one.

Coming up, the dudes behind DadTok join us here on set.

Plus a huge surprise you won't wanna miss.

Stay tuned.

Welcome back to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

While Layla and Miranda head backstage to take a break,

right now, we're joined by the DadTokers, Jordan, Jace, Conner, and Jacob.

Gentlemen, how's it going?

-Good. Doing well. -Good.

- I'm Da-- Dakota. - Happy to be here.

- We already said your name, Dakota. - Yeah.

It's not all about you.

Um... Jordan.

How you doing, bud?

- Been better. - Okay. Yeah. I would imagine so.

Season two ended with a bomb, to say the least.

And I just gotta ask, like, what did you know?

Um...

I knew what happened

because of the conversations that I had had with-- with Jessi. Um...

But it was really tough

to have the allegations made that were made.

Jordan, did you talk to Bret about your concerns that you had for him

and then what was going on with you?

I tried. It's a really tough place to be. I see him a couple times a week.

We wave at each other at the gym, but outside of that, like, we don't talk.

Well, that's disappointing to hear, for sure.

On a lighter note, one thing is for sure, these dads know how to bring the funny.

Check out some of our favorite moments from DadTok.

- One, two, three, DadTok! - Woo!

DadTok is popping off and I am so excited for them.

So head to the left. Clique.

-Left! To the left! -Shit, left, sorry. Okay, F that.

Got one, got one! Whoa! Damn!

We've been doing ketamine therapy together.

You're kidding me!

-So, like, the whole Chippendale thing-- -What I did was wrong.

This is the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

You guys wanna do some betting?

I'm just kidding, I can't bet.

Hey, too soon, man.

Let's go pull him out of the closet.

-Are you wanting to do this though? -Yeah, I'm okay.

- You have to lean into this shit. - No, I know--

-Because if you don't... -I'll be like, "Guys!"

Oh, me, for sure.

Go get help. Look me in the eyes, you narcissist. Look at me.

Well, I guess, DadTok might not survive this, huh?

Okay.

That's some bullshit.

Alright, fight.

- Jace? - Yeah.

You talked about losing your job, uh, season one

after MomTok came out

and it wasn't welcomed by, at least, your employer.

That's right.

Uh, what did you do for a living?

I was like a project manager for a restaurant.

I also heard this job was a family business?

It was. Yeah.

So your family fired you?

One hundred percent owned by family. You're not wrong.

That seems kind of messed up.

Yeah, they have their own problems

and they were actually...

...both, like, exiled from the company at that point.

- Yeah. - For a receivership to come in

- and run the company. - Okay.

So they were unable to really

-call any shots in the company. -Yeah.

And I was kind of left to the mercy of this receivership. This guy flips out.

And he's saying, "Oh, my Christian fans are gonna boycott my store.

Our company's gonna be gone from this."

'Cause of all the boycotts that would take place.

Absolutely ridiculous.

-One of the most ridiculous things-- -The petty in me

wanted to go get a big billboard

and be like, "A swinger's favorite snack."

Well, I think it's awesome that you've really embraced

being a stay-at-home dad and-- and supporting your boss of a wife.

I think it just shows great and healthy masculinity.

And the way you've embraced that, I think is pretty awesome.

Yeah. Thank you very much.

I just have so much appreciation for my wife

that's allowed me to be in the position that I'm in

and really pull our family up and put it in a more secure place.

Uh, Conner, how did you feel about Whitney getting back into MomTok?

It's been a-- a rollercoaster.

I was really proud of her for trying to confront difficult conversations

and be in very hard situations.

I really commended her bravery

in the sense that she wanted to commit to coming back,

knowing it wasn't going to be this big, grand welcome.

Well, honestly, one thing I love about this show,

you have been unafraid to peel back the layers

and shed light on taboo subjects that are often left in the dark.

The next clip you are about to see,

addresses sensitive and potentially triggering topics.

Conner, I wanna thank you in advance for what we're about to see

and your bravery talking about it.

Um, I know it's not easy and I just wanna say thank you again.

Conner's addiction to pornography

weighed heavily on his relationship with Whitney.

That was only the beginning of the story.

Let's take a look.

I know we were only in Hawaii for a little bit, but I kinda miss that,

because I-- I feel like we ran away from something.

I... don't... wanna lie about it anymore.

It's up to you.

Okay. I feel-- I feel good about it.

-Are you sure? -Yeah.

I, um... I had a really big problem

with pornography.

On top of that, I had a-- a presence on a dating website.

Not because I didn't love my wife

but because I felt like I needed validation.

Taylor even asked me the other day about the whole Tinder rumor.

-Mm. -And I denied it again.

Yeah, I-- It's probably hard for you to lie about that.

I just think that, at the time, I didn't wanna say anything

'cause I didn't even know what I wanted.

I needed to get help.

So we started going to therapy and trying to figure out why.

And I knew why. Something I...

have only shared with Whitney and my therapist and my family.

When I was a little boy...

...I was raped.

And it--

When I was finally honest with that emotion and that memory...

...everything made sense.

The validation I needed,

I hate that I did that to you.

But I'm so proud that I was able to be honest with you

and start working through some really, really hard stuff.

I feel like it flips the script and, like, turns me into a victim

when, in this scenario, I'm not.

These were actions I took.

-I had a real problem. -Yeah.

And it led to something that really hurt my wife.

I'm so sorry.

Conner, once again, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

And I just wanna acknowledge how brave you are for opening up about this.

It obviously is very difficult.

And-- And you, Whitney, as well,

obviously, seeing you being there for Conner.

It's so sad to hear that story,

but just really proud of you both for being able to share.

How are you doing

and how are you feeling now?

I, uh, wanna thank everyone here for the sensitivity around the topic.

I don't trust myself or my emotions when talking about this,

so I wrote a few things down

- if that's okay. - Yeah.

That was a very difficult part of my past

and something I've worked hard to heal from.

And it still hurts.

And I know so many people...

...carry experiences like that even though they may not talk about them.

For me, those experiences shaped me

and developed really destructive habits.

But they don't define who I am today.

What matters is how we grow,

how we find resilience,

and how we support each other moving forward.

And if anyone listening has been through something similar...

...I want them to know, I'm sorry.

Healing is possible.

And your story doesn't end with what happened to you.

Thank you for the time.

You're gonna help a lot of people, man.

You're gonna help a lot of people. I'm so sorry, man.

I'm so sorry. Yeah.

That's so terrible. I had-- did not know that.

It's so brave of you to share it too, 'cause it will help people.

I don't-- I don't think you understand the impact

that you sharing that and being vulnerable is gonna have.

Like, I don't think it's one or two people.

I think it's gonna be a lot of people.

- Whitney? - Yeah.

Has Conner's ability to tackle this trauma

-brought you guys closer together? -Oh, absolutely.

- How so? - I think anyone in this room

could just say Conner's just, like, such a rare guy.

Yeah.

He's just so amazing and perfect in every way for me and...

I'm just so grateful that both of us have worked so hard

to have what we have today.

Not that we're perfect,

like, obviously, we still fight, like, we're human, like, we're married.

Like, if you don't fight then fucking something's wrong.

Like, you're gonna fight.

But we've worked so hard to what we have today

that I know both of us would literally do anything

to continue to cherish that.

Well, Whitney and Conner, once again, I just wanna say thank you

for opening up and sharing your story.

Conner, that was incredibly brave of you.

And no doubt, there are people listening,

hearing this story, who now feel a lot less alone.

So once again, thank you.

We'll be right back.

Hey, man. I'm so sorry.

It's okay. I appreciate it, though.

- I was just gonna give him a hug. - Oh.

I'm so sorry what you went through.

I appreciate that.

-I know. -Everybody loves you.

And that reach is-- that reach that you have is...

Alright. Settling in. Roll 2A.

Truly, it was-- it was so... inspiring.

-Wait. -Get your disgusting snot tissue.

These are not dirty.

You have an amazing husband, literally.

Yeah, how were you watching back there?

-Scared to death. -Like, what were you saying?

I don't know, all sorts of stuff.

Like what? You don't remember?

Taylor, no, I don't remember everything I say!

-You know what he said? -I just don't!

He said, "Taylor is always so correct about these things."

Thank you, Jace.

"I just hate how I made her feel in the past."

- He has all the answers! - He's a mediator.

-I'm just-- I'm so confused. -About what?

About everything.

Here we go.

- Are we ready, guys? - Okay. In three... two...

Welcome back to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Reunion Special.

After living out some of their darkest and most daunting moments on camera,

we are joined by Jen and Zac for the first time since season two.

Jen and Zac, thank you for being here today.

- Thank you for having us. - Yeah, thanks for having us.

Well, I wanna start off with something that's really important.

I think all the people wanna know.

Are you...

related to Ben Affleck?

- I'm still wondering that. - You're still wondering?

Yes! Genuinely!

I thought at first it was a joke

and I was like, "Are they serious?"

Like, someone had mentioned they literally met him at a family reunion,

so I was, like, stoked about it.

And then I asked his grandpa,

and his grandpa was like, "Let me sit you down and tell you.

Yes, we are related to this person," and so--

And you know how like with Mormons they're huge on family history.

So I was like, "Oh, maybe we are related." Like, "That isn't just a joke."

But, of course, I mentioned it, press ran with it,

I ran with it maybe a little bit too much.

And it was never verified 'cause we never actually met him.

But, like, Ben Affleck, where are you? We're family!

Zac-- Zac, you look a little mortified, help me out here.

You-- You made it pretty clear this season that you did not think you were related.

-Has anything changed or...? -Yeah, no. It--

I mean, so we have the exact same last name

-and so it's been like a funny joke. -No, I know that.

Like, people growing up asking like, "Are you related to Ben Affleck?"

Like, Jen thought it was funny and I think it kinda just got carried away. Um--

Yes, I definitely did get carried away with it.

But... no. We're-- I'm not related to him that I know of.

-But maybe Jen... -Finally, we got the answer!

Jen might be related to him.

That's it!

I was like, "We finally got it."

Alright, well, I think we put that to bed.

I'm not entirely sure, but either way,

MomTok was formed to help women find their voice and live their truth,

even when it's difficult.

Jen, you've been a beacon of inspiration for moms everywhere

and honestly, all people struggling with their mental health.

How are you doing now?

Um, I'm doing way better now,

now that I'm in the third trimester.

And for me, unfortunately, I... uh...

dealt with something that a lot of, uh, pregnant women deal with,

which is prenatal depression.

And unfortunately, I had to go through that

during one of also the hardest, uh, seasons of my life.

Looking back and thinking about all of season two,

to be honest, it's a-- a bit of a blur just because I was barely surviving.

And I dealt with a lot of suicide ideation.

Um... yeah. Um--

It's really hard to talk about, but, um...

Yeah, that was definitely one of the hardest times of my life.

And I felt like I couldn't turn to anyone.

And I didn't want anyone to feel like...

...they were the reason of this.

Um, it really is just like, your body's going through so many changes.

And to be honest, I'm just grateful

for all the love and support that I did receive during that time,

because without it, I don't know where I'd be today.

- So... - Yeah.

-Well, thank you for sharing. -Yeah.

Zac, I gotta say, I really enjoyed watching you this season.

Um, also as someone who was pretty critical of you season one,

I-- I honestly felt like I was watching a new Zac.

-Yeah. -Like, i-is this the new Zac?

Yeah, I think, season one,

Jen and I were at a point in our marriage with a lot of stress.

She had just had back-to-back babies.

I was in the process of trying to get into medical school.

And we had a lot of things in our marriage that still needed to be worked through

and that kind of just led to this big explosion,

which was Chippendales and everything that happened there.

And it really was just a result

of me taking out my frustrations and insecurities directly on my wife.

And I knew I hadn't been the best version of myself

and who I wanted to show up for.

And so until I could do that,

like I was-- there's no chance I was gonna give up on the marriage.

And so MomTok hasn't seen us for a couple months

and we do about nine hours of therapy a week

just kind of working on individual trauma,

childhood trauma, and then stuff in our marriage.

And that kind of changed everything in our relationship.

And so, I don't think it's perfect but I would say, the way we communicate,

the way we go about things is night and day different, so...

- Well, that's great to see. - Yeah.

Well, Jen, you took an opportunity this season

to apologize to the ladies by sending them a video

that was met with mostly sympathy.

But not everyone showed the same amount of grace.

Earlier in the season, you and, uh, Jessi seemed to have a lot of issues with Jen.

You know, it seemed like at first, you know,

Jen was kind of playing these games

and then she had her mental health struggles

and then we found out she got pregnant.

Do you look back any differently or do you stand by how you reacted?

Ugh, I wish I could say that I regret the way that I handled that. I don't.

There's a humanness to me that goes, "Yeah, you were dealing with a lot."

We all are going through a lot

and it doesn't discredit you lying about people

and discrediting their reputation. It's strange to me.

Jen got pregnant and that seemed to be a turning point for her,

almost a reason to remove herself from MomTok.

Obviously, we're happy for Jen and we want her to protect her peace,

but you seem to doubt her sincerity in that moment.

A little bit. I don't know if it was more so the pregnancy

than it was the absence

that I felt like she was kind of leaning into that

as though, you know, her stepping away for her mental health

instead of saying, "Hey, I'm ashamed."

And-- And maybe those two go hand in hand, I'm open to that being the case as well.

However, what I saw is her running away from the problem.

- Mm-hmm. - So, to me, it just seemed suspect timing.

And, yeah, I didn't really feel

the sincerity and the genuineness behind it.

And maybe that wasn't a fair assumption

given the fact that I don't know the exact intention,

-but that's kinda how it felt. -What did you make of her apology video?

Um, I think I was very clear that it kind of felt a little bit calculated

and I have to give her credit for sending that,

that couldn't have been easy.

I'm sure there was a level of genuineness to it

to where she's like feeling, like, "I really messed up

and I need to make things right."

But then I text her afterwards, invited her to my Christmas party,

and just said it might be a good, you know, time to have these conversations

and she never responded.

So, to me, it's kinda like, "Okay, well, were you just being performative

or did you genuinely mean that?"

Some choice words.

Oh, my gosh!

How do you feel about what Demi had to say about all of that?

Well, I see why it could seem like I was running away from my issues,

but that was just not the case, there was so much happening.

I do have to say she's really good at like deflecting.

It's like she's telling everyone that I'm running away,

yet, where are you? You're not here.

So like, who's running away?

- Mic drop. - Like what I think--

Where I wanna take accountability was,

I wasn't fully honest with Zac with the Chippendales.

I didn't tell him. We were in a bad place in our marriage.

And to be honest, I was being selfish and I take full accountability of that.

But I-- I've had those conversations now.

And the reason why I didn't have that conversation with her during that time

was because I was still struggling.

And clearly, she can't see that.

And that girl is so good at playing chess, like, she was four steps ahead.

She knew that I was gonna confront her about Italy.

She knew that I wasn't on her side.

She tried to call me, I have receipts.

-And what I would say-- -What receipts? What receipts?

-Pull it out. -Can I-- Can I chime in?

-Oh, wait, my phone's not-- -Oh, I'm like, "That's my phone."

-I was like, "Wait. I'm..." -Do you mind if I chime in?

- Yeah, go ahead. - Yeah. Please Zac.

But, like, where are you-- where's your phone?

-I have it. Jordan sent it to me. Yeah. -Do you have it? Oh! Thank the Lord!

So, essentially what happened was,

when we were in contract negotiations for season two,

Demi called Jen on the phone, it was on speaker, I was sitting in there.

And Demi said the craziest things about Jessi,

who was her best friend.

That she had no respect for her, that she was disgusting,

-that she wanted nothing to do with her. -This was her best friend at the time.

And I turned to Jen and I said, "If she's talking about Jessi that way,

how do you think she's talking about you?"

There was a conversation between all of us where Demi on the couch says,

"Jen, how dare you accuse me, I'm a-- a victim."

So that happens, we get in the car and driving home,

Bret and Demi call us on the phone, on speaker,

and Bret had said, "Hey, we really need to figure out this whole 'victim' thing."

'Cause he didn't like that she said "a victim".

Because I think he was afraid that she was gonna claim victim

and it was gonna be clear to the whole audience

that she was not a victim.

Right as he started saying that, I'm like, "I'm gonna press record,"

because I had heard what she had said about Jessi

and I'm like, "To cover our own backs, I'm just--

we're just gonna get the receipt on this."

Okay.

The takeaway, in my opinion, should be this:

"May or may not have happened."

That's-- that's the essence of the message.

So we had a 30-minute-long conversation about Demi gaslighting my wife saying,

"You need to say this. If this happens, will you say this?"

And then, when Jen wasn't willing to do that,

suddenly, there's a cease and desist.

What? A cease and desist? So Demi threatened a cease and desist?

So we had a 30-minute-long conversation about Demi gaslighting my wife.

And then, when Jen wasn't willing to do that,

suddenly, there's a cease and desist.

Wait, so Demi threatened a cease and desist?

Yeah. So Demi's way of getting Jen to be quiet was,

"Let me get a cease and desist, so you can't talk about it."

Yeah, she was really quick to talk about everyone else's relationship.

Not-- Specifically not talking about, like, Vanderpump Villa?

- Yes. - Yes.

Well, obviously, Demi's not here right now to defend herself.

But Whitney, obviously, you've been close with Demi.

- Mm-hmm. - Like, what do you think about all this?

Um, yeah, I'm definitely not gonna speak for Demi

but I think that,

- that is weird. - Yeah.

That's weird to call a friend and say, "Hey, can you say this on camera?"

Like, that's weird.

I just think that the safest play with anything like that

is just like, "Bring it up with Demi."

-I don't know. That's what I think. Right? -Yeah. Yeah.

So, I am trying to process it as--

'Cause I'm finding all of this out right now.

Yeah, it's-- it's difficult to hear.

I'm the first to understand that feeling, by the way,

because she continued to surprise me with her actions

all throughout season two.

And I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt.

And it finally got to a point where I had to be done.

Well, Jessi, you and your business have also been under fire.

And when I sat down with her, I asked her about this as well.

Let's take a look.

Can you clear up the accusations Taylor made

regarding your comments about Jessi's business, JZ styles?

Again, it was another twisted conversation that her and I had.

Taylor called me, asking for advice on her hair,

she had had some random person do her hair and they didn't do a good job.

And she had mentioned that she was gonna go to Jessi.

And at that point, I hadn't been to Jessi for color yet.

-Okay. -I had only had her extensions.

Layla, Whitney, and Jen had all mentioned they weren't happy with the color.

So when she came to me I was like, "I'm a little worried

with you going to Jessi."

But the way that it was spun was though I was like shitting on JZ.

Have you said your truth to Jess?

We've spoken multiple times about it.

And what is her response?

It's almost like she just doesn't believe me.

It's hard, I-- trust me, I'm--

I've tried to step in her shoes and be like,

"This is her business, this is her livelihood,

I understand why this is so heightened."

However, when I'm explaining it the way that I am,

how can you still be upset at me

and not go talk to Whitney, Jen, and Layla?

Is that a rhetorical question or do you want my opinion?

- I want your opinion. - I would still be mad at you.

- Really? - Yeah.

-Yes! -Okay, explain from your perspective.

You obviously talked a lot about loyalty this season.

-Mm-hmm. -And so, you have high expectations

of what you want your friends to do for you.

And if I'm Jess, it almost seems like you're arguing semantics over a situation

where she probably just feels like you could have been a better friend.

Exactly.

That makes sense to me.

- Okay. - Glad we can clear that up.

Yes. Nick, the therapist.

- You're welcome. - Thank you.

I actually said that same thing to her but it didn't land the same way.

We had that conversation.

I was like, "Her feelings are just hurt."

Yeah. So, honestly, at the end of the day, whether she's valid or not in her opinion,

I think your sentiment was correct.

And when it came out at Saints and Sinners I just-- like my heart dropped.

- Yeah. - Like, it was just really hard to hear

'cause I thought she was, uh, my best friend

and my business is everything to me, so it was just hurtful.

So you're not upset with Taylor

or the other women who were unhappy with this specific treatment?

No, because, the funny thing is like we all had conversations at that point.

-Like, Jen still comes to me for hair. -Yeah, and we--

I still color Layla's hair.

She also twisted my thing.

I never said that I didn't like Jessi doing my hair.

I just said I didn't like blonde on me.

And she like twisted that narrative to like benefit her in that situation.

- And why do you think she did that? - I feel like Demi's head, sometimes,

she thinks like the more people I can get

that align with this narrative I'm trying to push,

it makes it more valid in her brain.

I gotta ask-- Which-- unfortunate Demi couldn't make it here.

There's a lot of thoughts and feelings

- about her. - Yeah.

I just didn't see this side of her season one.

- You were very close friends with her. - Yeah.

I-- I'm just kind of wondering where is this all coming from?

I have only been friends with her for a year.

-Like, it was like a very... -I would say this is all fresh.

...like, hot and fast relationship.

And I would see little things-- Like, Demi's really funny and charming.

We give Demi me a pass for being a bully because she's funny.

If you actually look at what she did to Whitney in Park City,

she was only the "hero" because Whitney was the villain.

Whitney, do you think Demi's a bully?

Um, I think that she has bully tendencies.

- I think that especially-- - What's the difference

between having bully tendencies and being a bully?

I think that she's a very passionate person.

And I know everybody hates that word, but she'll get online

and she'll immediately try and defend herself.

I-I genuinely don't think she means everything that she says.

But at some point, as an adult,

you need to be like, "Oh, my behavior is being--

-it's hurting somebody." -Absolutely.

Three weeks ago, she called Layla a dumbass and--

What did she say? You're a dumbass--

I'm dumbass and I'm ignorant.

Like, you can't just say, "I'm passionate" and then that makes it okay to be a bitch?

No.

This is me speaking from my heart. I feel like it's so double standard

when Demi is saying hurtful things, which isn't okay,

but then we have people going online,

Jessi going online, going on podcasts,

you've talked shit about me, very hurtful things,

which I would actually consider bullying as well.

Where it's like-- But then you get a pass.

And then the way that Mikayla treats me like, "Oh, but it's okay."

I think that on podcasts,

people genuinely asked us our experience with you.

-Yeah. -And we are valid in our experience.

But calling someone a narcissist-- I didn't call you names like that.

I think there's a difference between maybe being in the moment,

maybe answering a question,

and someone just kinda going out of their way

knowing what they're doing is gonna hurt the other person.

- Okay? - Yeah.

Layla, something viewers didn't get to see yet

is your battle with body image and self-harm.

Two subjects you bravely opened up about while filming with Demi last season.

I've been skinny my whole life, though.

I feel like everyone's like concerned right now

but, like, I've been tiny my whole entire life.

Like, do you think there's a part of you that is still kind of--

that struggles with body dysmorphia and--

Oh, a hundred percent.

And it's sad 'cause it's like when you guys tell me like,

"Oh, well, you used to look like a healthy weight,"

when you have like an eating disorder, the word "healthy" triggers me.

Mm.

Like, when people tell me that like I look tiny

and like I'm starting to look sick, like, for some reason, in my twisted brain...

-You're like, "I'm on the right track." -...like that--

that gives me like an endorphin rush. I think too, just living in Utah,

the need to chase perfection, when it's not attainable,

is such a bad thing here.

'Cause, like, before, I've had scars on my wrist,

and like they're kinda visible but like they're not too bad.

- Like I've never-- - Lemme see those ones.

I feel like I'm more, like, insecure about those ones

and it's just like an image thing here, 'cause it's like,

someone looks at them and they don't, like, recognize what I've struggled with,

they look at me and, like, they judge.

Lay!

Sorry, that's a like hard thing for me to talk about is,

I've dealt with really bad depression and anxiety my whole entire life.

I've attempted to take my life multiple times

and thought that I'd be better off dead than living the life that I do.

And I think it just stems to just never feeling like I'm enough.

I was told a lot of that growing up.

I think that's why I self-harm too. Yeah.

I just wanna acknowledge your bravery.

That's obviously a very difficult topic to discuss.

How are you doing today?

Better. I haven't self-harmed in a long time, which is good.

I got my scars removed and I'm trying to move past that.

One of the reasons why I wanted to get my scars removed

is because my boys noticed it, too.

One day, my son, Oliver, noticed 'em on my legs

and he's like, "Mama, owies."

And I was like, he's not-- that's not me just falling,

that was me doing something to myself

and my kids notice it and it could affect them.

So that's kinda what snapped me out of it and got me to stop,

is that I don't want to give my kids traumas

because I'm dealing with it and I need to be strong for them.

Jacob, this is obviously affecting you.

Why is it hitting you so hard?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's so sweet.

Layla, thank you again for opening up.

That was very brave of you and not easy to share.

But it's-- it's great to see you working on it

-and doing so much better. -Thank you.

- Mikayla, I wanted to turn to you. - Oh no. Stop.

Um, you also recently opened up and shared with your audience

-about your sexual abuse. -Mm-hmm.

Um, again, I just wanna acknowledge your bravery.

Not easy to do. Very scary.

But it seems to be very empowering for you

to, like, you know, take charge of your life

and, you know, what was your decision for doing that?

Oh, Lord.

Um, I think, honestly,

it started at the beginning of all my chronic health issues.

'Cause I think a lot of that stored trauma that I had,

that I spent my whole life not talking about

was coming out to the surface.

And so it got to a point where I was like, "I think I physically cannot ignore this."

And I think Conner's situation really touched me. Um...

I remember him calling me.

He was one of the first people to call me and encourage me to go to therapy.

Um... Sorry.

I think it really meant a lot to me because...

...I know me and Whitney were going through a lot

and he still wanted to call me and check in on me

and make sure that I knew that I had support

from someone that had gone through something similar.

Really, it just stemmed from suppressing all of this

and having a support around me,

letting me know that it's a safe place to open up about it

because I didn't have that growing up.

And I love everyone.

I know we don't get along but I really appreciate the support.

And yes, we're petty, we're bitchy, we post stuff, we do stuff,

but we're all going through things

and I think that's something we can all relate on.

- Whitney? - Yeah?

- Why are you getting so emotional? - I hate that Mikayla went through that,

and obviously, I care about Mikayla.

But I think like... it's like I don't want to.

I'm just gonna throw it out there, but I just have to ask,

Mikayla, would you accept a hug from Whitney?

Because I just think it might be a little healing.

I'm like "No." I'm just kidding. Sure.

Whenever you're ready.

-Oh, my God! -I'm like, "She can come over here."

-Yeah, of course. -I'm just kidding.

Oh, gosh. I think this is the closest we've been

-in two years. -Look at that. Progress. Let's-- Come on.

Do you want us to kiss?

Okay, let's change gears now and maybe lighten up the mood.

Whether it's supportive or scandalous, MomTok is nothing short of salacious.

And while laying it all out there, these women tackle tons of gray zones

and keep us all asking, what is holy and what's considered holy shit!

-When was the last time you did your lips? -Like a year ago.

I don't know.

It's not even big.

-Are you okay? -I've seen bigger.

Everyone says your body's a temple;

putting Botox into it, it's not that big a deal.

Well, let's do it together.

I do see the benefit in religion,

but also I'll be sitting in church and I'll wanna like raise my hand

and be like, "But have you tried ketamine?"

Whoa!

The sex goddess is here!

Do you want it harder or softer?

The church's stance on sex is that

you're not supposed to have it until you're married.

Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up

would be from a woman, but you know?

Woo!

The church might be a little bugged at MomTok

because we are representing modern feminism

and how you can be a strong independent woman.

Should we check out the adults-only room?

Yes.

This is a sinner's heaven!

Divorce, swinging, it doesn't make us bad people.

And that doesn't mean I can't go to church on Sundays.

You guys, it's a full-life sex doll. How much is that?

- A thousand dollars. Mm-hmm. - A thousand dollars?

-No! -Cheaper than a real girlfriend probably.

- Oof. - I look like a bum. That's all I know.

That, uh, that was very educational.

But I wanna know about some Mormon hacks, so let's get into it.

Dakota, you seem like a guy who knows what docking is.

Can you help us out?

-He would know. -Oh, my gosh.

Actually, I-- I've never heard that term till I moved to Utah.

- Oh! Who thinks they know? - I went to BYU. I know these things.

-Alright. Mayci, please help us out. -Okay. Docking is like--

Okay, think of like a hot dog bun and then just the dick.

- Yeah. - It's just like--

It's just laying on top, I guess.

- And that doesn't count because...? - No, you go back forth in it.

- You can slide up and down? - You-- You slide inside the hot dog bun.

Well, I heard something crazy once

that a lot of younger Mormons will escape to Vegas...

- Yeah. - ...get married,

get it annulled, just so they can have sex.

- It's called a BYU Super Weekend. - That's crazy.

-Is durfing something? -Yeah.

What is that?

Everyone's durfed here.

-What's durfing? -Dry humping with your clothes on.

-Dakota's docked before. -Oh, I knew you were gonna say this.

-Go to hell, Taylor? -Taylor!

Thank you guys for clarifying. It's very entertaining.

Up next, an explosive announcement

that will change the life of these Provo powerhouses forever,

and we'll have an exclusive sneak peek at season three.

Stay tuned.

We are almost out of time, but I promised you all a big surprise

and I got it right here.

Tonight, we are gonna be announcing

who is gonna be on next season

of Dancing With the Stars.

-Oh, my gosh! -Wow.

Woo!

-That's crazy. -Exciting.

So I heard most of you auditioned recently while filming season three.

I mean, I gotta know who wants it the most?

-Oh, man. -I feel like me and Jen.

Okay. Who do you think deserves it the most?

I mean, I wanted Jen just 'cause it's her life dream.

Yeah.

- Since she was little. - Yeah, it is.

But, like, out of anyone, Whitney was an actual dancer.

-Like, you've danced your whole life. -Yeah.

I feel like it's you.

Really?

Okay. Are we ready?

Yeah, let's do it.

Well, the newest contestant on season 34 with Dancing With the Stars is...

Drum roll, please.

- Ooh, I'm scared. - Oh, my gosh.

She might not be related to the stars, but she's gonna be dancing with them.

Congratulations, Jen Affleck...

...on joining season 34

of Dancing With the Stars!

Oh, my God!

Way to go, Jen.

Oh, my gosh.

Congrats!

Aw, congratulations.

- Thank you! - Aw!

- Congrats. - Congratulations, Jen.

- I cannot tell you how I excited I am. - Okay, now dance.

-Oh, my God. -How's everyone feeling?

- So excited. - Excited for Jen.

This is like all she's wanted. I'm so happy for her.

She's talked about this since day one.

Do you guys think she can win?

Jen's got the moves.

- Whitney, I know you wanted this. - Yeah.

-How are you feeling? -Um, I mean obviously I'm happy for Jen.

Like, I'll be there front and center rooting you on, girl.

- Thank you. - And there is next season.

- Yeah. You never know. - There is. Anything's possible.

Well, before we take an exclusive look at season three,

I have one more surprise announcement for you.

As it turns out, because you women are so adored,

they are gonna be sending two of you

-to Dancing With the Stars. -Taylor?

Are you ready for that second announcement?

Yeah. Do it.

Oh, my God!

Whitney Leavitt, you are going to Dancing With the Stars!

Whitney!

Alright, guys, let's get up. Jen, you gotta dance.

Come on, let's see your moves.

Congratulations!

I can't even believe it.

I hope you know you're going down. Just kidding.

-Bring it on. -I'm like, "Bring it on!"

Bring it on.

- This is what they want. Vote for me. - Oh my God.

Holy...

-I would hope not. -Best of luck to you, Whitney.

That's crazy, you'll be competing against each other.

-I feel like that would be fun. -It might be me and you towards the end.

-That would be crazy. -I can see it.

Well, congratulations to everyone. Thank you so much tonight.

You've been incredible tonight.

Once again, I wanna thank you for all being so vulnerable and so real with us.

I know it wasn't easy.

I can't wait for season three. It's gonna be incredible.

Thank you, Hulu, for hosting us and thank you all at home for tuning in.

Plenty more MomTok in store for you very soon.

Check out what's ahead in season three.

- Buckle in, bitches. - Okay, let's go!

- Are we gonna die? - We don't know yet.

Woo! MomTok survived!

It's like a common theme in our friendship...

Is toxic men!

-No. -Oh.

No.

You have to act and be a certain way

for people to love and accept you

-and for God to accept you. -Mm.

You know I support you either way.

Yeah.

There's a lot of things I don't resonate with anymore

when it comes to the church.

I just wanted to fit in really badly.

In Utah, I get called white-washed a lot.

The fact that you even were gonna try and keep this a secret. ..

You're my mom. Stop sticking up for him, please.

I met with Marciano.

He told me that you guys, like, had sex.

Oh my fucking hell!

If I find anything else out, done.

How did Bret know to drive by at that time?

Why am I in the hot seat right now?

Do you think they had sex?

I don't know what to believe.

And our friendship's meant everything,

so I don't wanna lose that.

Something feels very off about this.

Why did you lie to Layla about us?

I was being influenced.

Influenced by who?

Everyone's just a little concerned that you're still close with Demi.

- We have a leak in MomTok. - We do.

I don't like to give anyone blind loyalty.

Would you be open to a lie detector test?

You ready? Moment of truth.

- Oh my God. What? - What are you doing?

Why are you here? We're not gonna have people coming and going.

Why are you here today?

I'm gonna start my own MomTok.

I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

We need to come together; they can be the crazy ones.

You know nothing!

-No, stay in your power. -You know nothing!

She turned the whole group against me.

That proves exactly who you are.

I will make your life a miserable fucking hell.

I'm fucking pissed.

Alright. How do you wanna start this?

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We're gonna get through anything.

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