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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,104 --> 00:00:15,672 [tense notes] 2 00:00:19,044 --> 00:00:20,510 - I worked for King & Mockovak 3 00:00:20,521 --> 00:00:22,523 because I believed in them as surgeons. 4 00:00:22,547 --> 00:00:26,141 - He's my boss, and he's probing me whether or not 5 00:00:26,218 --> 00:00:29,644 my so-called "Russian connections" 6 00:00:29,721 --> 00:00:31,447 can organize a murder. 7 00:00:36,228 --> 00:00:40,164 - He has a $5 million key-man insurance policy. 8 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,755 - So many people damaged over one person. 9 00:00:54,913 --> 00:00:57,839 - I was just, like, stunned. 10 00:00:57,916 --> 00:00:59,956 In that moment, I started to tear up. 11 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:08,901 - If there's a point to back out, this would be it. 12 00:01:16,059 --> 00:01:18,985 [dramatic music] 13 00:01:33,761 --> 00:01:38,421 - In 2005, down in Renton outside of Seattle, 14 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:41,174 Joe King and Michael Mockovak 15 00:01:41,251 --> 00:01:44,094 launch Clearly Lasik laser eye surgery. 16 00:01:44,105 --> 00:01:45,762 It was a big deal. 17 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,013 They immediately were dominant in the region. 18 00:01:49,968 --> 00:01:52,113 - I believed in working for King and Mockovak 19 00:01:52,137 --> 00:01:54,073 because I believed in them as surgeons, 20 00:01:54,097 --> 00:01:55,689 and I loved their personality, 21 00:01:55,765 --> 00:01:56,951 and I believed in their company. 22 00:01:56,975 --> 00:01:58,775 - They were great employers, 23 00:01:58,786 --> 00:01:59,776 both of them. 24 00:01:59,787 --> 00:02:01,194 Loved my job. 25 00:02:01,271 --> 00:02:04,114 I loved the people I worked with. 26 00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:05,949 - My brother met Mockovak when they were both 27 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,786 working together at Lasik Vision in California. 28 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:12,789 Both were hired surgeons at that time, 29 00:02:12,824 --> 00:02:15,250 working together during the "heydays" 30 00:02:15,327 --> 00:02:16,918 of laser eye surgery, 31 00:02:16,995 --> 00:02:17,961 and that's where the connection 32 00:02:17,972 --> 00:02:19,296 between the two of them came. 33 00:02:19,331 --> 00:02:21,965 - Dr. King and Dr. Mockovak 34 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:24,968 not only worked together as partners; 35 00:02:24,979 --> 00:02:28,897 they were also married to sisters, Holly and Heather. 36 00:02:32,010 --> 00:02:35,312 - The meeting of my daughters and their husbands 37 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:38,565 was quite an interesting situation. 38 00:02:38,642 --> 00:02:41,610 Heather had met Joe on a dating site 39 00:02:41,686 --> 00:02:42,852 and had talked to him for about six months, 40 00:02:42,854 --> 00:02:48,158 but she was too embarrassed to go meet him by herself. 41 00:02:48,169 --> 00:02:49,910 Joe called up and said, "Hey, 42 00:02:49,986 --> 00:02:52,287 "why don't you come on over and meet me. 43 00:02:52,364 --> 00:02:55,832 I'm having a party at my home over at the lake." 44 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:59,669 And she says, "Well, I've got my sister, Holly, in town, 45 00:02:59,704 --> 00:03:01,004 and could I bring her?" 46 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:03,089 And he says, "Sure, bring her." 47 00:03:03,166 --> 00:03:04,852 [chuckles] It didn't take long 48 00:03:04,876 --> 00:03:07,177 at all for Joe and Holly to 49 00:03:07,188 --> 00:03:12,182 realize that they were attracted to each other. 50 00:03:12,193 --> 00:03:16,186 Maybe a month or two later, my other daughter, 51 00:03:16,197 --> 00:03:19,648 Heather, was down at the Renton office with Holly, 52 00:03:19,724 --> 00:03:22,817 and here comes Michael out. 53 00:03:22,894 --> 00:03:24,945 He puts his eyes on Heather, 54 00:03:25,021 --> 00:03:29,032 and that one there was it. 55 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:32,953 Joe came to me to ask for Holly's hand. 56 00:03:33,029 --> 00:03:34,871 It wasn't too long later 57 00:03:34,906 --> 00:03:38,875 that Michael asked for Heather's hand. 58 00:03:38,886 --> 00:03:42,045 When Holly decided to move near Bellevue, 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,215 two weeks later I hear that Michael and Heather 60 00:03:45,226 --> 00:03:48,009 had bought a place next to Joe and Holly. 61 00:03:48,086 --> 00:03:50,553 I was just a little curious why they would want to 62 00:03:50,588 --> 00:03:52,347 live next to each other 63 00:03:52,424 --> 00:03:55,350 when they have to work with each other all the time. 64 00:03:55,427 --> 00:03:56,893 - There were three different locations 65 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:59,062 that my brother was living at 66 00:03:59,097 --> 00:04:01,731 and that for whatever reasons of circumstances, 67 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:04,317 you know, Mockovak is ending up going to within a mile 68 00:04:04,394 --> 00:04:05,986 of every single location. 69 00:04:06,062 --> 00:04:08,238 So I definitely thought it was a little bit odd, 70 00:04:08,249 --> 00:04:12,793 but I knew that he wanted to be like my brother. 71 00:04:19,117 --> 00:04:23,378 - Around 2006, we had a new CEO. 72 00:04:23,455 --> 00:04:28,258 Brad Klock was hired to help manage these two 73 00:04:28,269 --> 00:04:31,261 and build their company, Clearly Lasik, out. 74 00:04:31,272 --> 00:04:33,888 - I was hired by Brad Klock. 75 00:04:33,965 --> 00:04:39,436 He came across as a very professional CEO. 76 00:04:39,471 --> 00:04:44,107 He seemed very business-savvy in opening up offices 77 00:04:44,118 --> 00:04:47,068 all over Canada and the Pacific Northwest in U.S. 78 00:04:47,145 --> 00:04:49,265 - They just wanted to keep expanding and 79 00:04:49,314 --> 00:04:51,406 loving that that focus could be 80 00:04:51,483 --> 00:04:53,783 solely put on the medical aspect, 81 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:56,202 and entrust the rest to Brad Klock. 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,955 - Dr. King's the face of the company primarily 83 00:04:58,990 --> 00:05:02,917 because he could do surgery in both Canada and the U.S. 84 00:05:02,994 --> 00:05:05,879 whereas Mockovak was stuck on the U.S. side. 85 00:05:05,955 --> 00:05:08,423 He was only licensed in the U.S. 86 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:09,966 - I've performed over 50,000 87 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:12,135 laser vision correction procedures, 88 00:05:12,146 --> 00:05:14,804 and I've had my own vision corrected with LASIK. 89 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:17,441 I can tell you it's one of the best things I have ever done. 90 00:05:19,511 --> 00:05:22,312 - Dr. King became more recognizable 91 00:05:22,323 --> 00:05:25,315 just on a broader scale, 92 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:27,650 and Dr. Mockovak 93 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:31,321 was just kind of a little bit behind the scenes. 94 00:05:31,356 --> 00:05:33,323 - Mockovak respected people that he could tell 95 00:05:33,334 --> 00:05:36,284 were working hard for the company, 96 00:05:36,361 --> 00:05:38,495 and there was kind of a closeness 97 00:05:38,530 --> 00:05:43,717 that started to form between Daniel and Dr. Mockovak. 98 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:48,963 - Michael Mockovak and I, we did play chess 99 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,673 a few times in the office. 100 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:56,096 I did notice that he's opening up more, 101 00:05:56,172 --> 00:05:58,306 and it seemed like 102 00:05:58,383 --> 00:06:03,353 he wanted to have sort of a friend in the office. 103 00:06:03,388 --> 00:06:05,271 - When I first met Daniel, 104 00:06:05,348 --> 00:06:09,025 he was a hard nut to crack. 105 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:10,527 - He was quite intimidating, 106 00:06:10,562 --> 00:06:13,113 so his personality was very, very private. 107 00:06:13,189 --> 00:06:16,783 Eventually we got to the point where we'd made up a story 108 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:20,036 of how he worked for the Russian mafia. 109 00:06:20,071 --> 00:06:21,496 - I'm not Russian mafia, 110 00:06:21,573 --> 00:06:24,457 but I think even Mockovak said once, 111 00:06:24,534 --> 00:06:27,210 "Russian mafia's in the house. 112 00:06:27,221 --> 00:06:29,212 All our problems are gonna be taken care of now." 113 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:30,472 [laughs] 114 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:36,386 - After our large expansion plan, 115 00:06:36,421 --> 00:06:38,012 we weren't hitting the results 116 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:40,974 that we were initially aiming for. 117 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:43,059 - If you're not getting the results, 118 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,895 they had to kind of make some cuts, 119 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:47,522 and they had decided 120 00:06:47,599 --> 00:06:49,399 to terminate their CEO, Brad Klock. 121 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:52,235 - Klock's removal from his CEO position 122 00:06:52,270 --> 00:06:54,070 had not gone well, 123 00:06:54,105 --> 00:06:56,906 and so he files a wrongful-termination lawsuit 124 00:06:56,917 --> 00:07:00,493 claiming about $750,000 in damages. 125 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:02,548 - Both doctors were quite angry 126 00:07:02,572 --> 00:07:04,247 about the lawsuit from Brad, 127 00:07:04,258 --> 00:07:07,917 except they were showing it differently. 128 00:07:07,952 --> 00:07:11,921 Joe King was very quiet and kept it to himself. 129 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:15,216 Mockovak, on the other hand, was very vocal 130 00:07:15,293 --> 00:07:17,010 and outspoken about this. 131 00:07:17,086 --> 00:07:18,761 Everybody in the office knew 132 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:23,066 that Mockovak is upset with Brad suing the company. 133 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:29,105 As Michael and I spent more time together in the office 134 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:30,607 playing chess one on one, 135 00:07:30,642 --> 00:07:36,196 Mockovak was probing me during conversations 136 00:07:36,272 --> 00:07:40,450 whether or not my so-called Russian connections 137 00:07:40,461 --> 00:07:43,912 can organize a murder. 138 00:07:43,988 --> 00:07:47,290 Mockovak started asking about 139 00:07:47,325 --> 00:07:52,086 a possibility of getting rid of Brad 140 00:07:52,163 --> 00:07:54,547 because he was suing the company 141 00:07:54,624 --> 00:07:56,466 for wrongful termination. 142 00:07:56,477 --> 00:07:58,259 I couldn't believe it. 143 00:07:58,336 --> 00:08:01,304 This is not just a joke anymore. 144 00:08:01,339 --> 00:08:06,434 He's actually thinking about killing another person. 145 00:08:06,511 --> 00:08:08,478 I had to tell someone. 146 00:08:08,513 --> 00:08:11,114 I could not keep this as a secret. 147 00:08:13,476 --> 00:08:15,318 I knew someone who had contact 148 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:17,946 with Federal Bureau of Investigation. 149 00:08:18,022 --> 00:08:22,492 So I reached out, and I said if it's possible 150 00:08:22,527 --> 00:08:25,795 to meet with any of the FBI folks. 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,501 So I met with Seattle FBI Detective Len Carver. 152 00:08:31,512 --> 00:08:34,337 I told him that I have a boss 153 00:08:34,372 --> 00:08:37,090 who seems like looking for 154 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:39,467 to hurt another person. 155 00:08:39,544 --> 00:08:42,345 - We want to know at this time, 156 00:08:42,356 --> 00:08:43,972 "Is Dr. Mockovak 157 00:08:44,048 --> 00:08:47,141 "really planning to kill Brad Klock, 158 00:08:47,218 --> 00:08:49,018 or is he just an angry guy 159 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:52,021 who's spewing with his friend?" 160 00:08:52,056 --> 00:08:57,360 - Once I told FBI about this, I definitely felt relief 161 00:08:57,371 --> 00:09:00,655 because I believe Mockovak wanted Brad 162 00:09:00,732 --> 00:09:04,158 to disappear permanently. 163 00:09:04,235 --> 00:09:06,202 - We asked Dan if he would be willing 164 00:09:06,213 --> 00:09:08,162 to take a recording device 165 00:09:08,239 --> 00:09:12,500 into his next face-to-face with Dr. Mockovak, 166 00:09:12,577 --> 00:09:14,377 and Dan agreed. 167 00:09:14,412 --> 00:09:18,506 It's not ideal for us to use someone like Dan Kultin, 168 00:09:18,583 --> 00:09:22,051 a civilian, as a law enforcement operative, 169 00:09:22,086 --> 00:09:26,681 but there is already the back story of the Russian mafia, 170 00:09:26,758 --> 00:09:29,892 and then there is the friendship 171 00:09:29,903 --> 00:09:34,397 and the level of trust that Mockovak has with Dan. 172 00:09:34,432 --> 00:09:38,067 To try to introduce a law enforcement person 173 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:42,238 at that juncture would be very difficult. 174 00:09:42,249 --> 00:09:45,074 There was no live transmission. 175 00:09:45,109 --> 00:09:49,203 We told Dan just to keep the device on his person, 176 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,205 to go and have his meeting, 177 00:09:51,282 --> 00:09:53,260 after which we would then collect 178 00:09:53,284 --> 00:09:56,085 and listen to the recording to see 179 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,390 if this case warrants a more involved investigation. 180 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:23,529 - I could not understand how a person can 181 00:10:23,606 --> 00:10:27,450 talk about murdering someone 182 00:10:27,461 --> 00:10:31,120 with no emotions. 183 00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:34,507 Seemed like, "Oh, piece of cake." 184 00:11:00,685 --> 00:11:03,277 - The Klock thing looks like the lawsuit 185 00:11:03,354 --> 00:11:06,280 might not be going anywhere. 186 00:11:06,357 --> 00:11:09,626 They could either settle or it'll get thrown out. 187 00:11:18,161 --> 00:11:21,504 - And then all of the sudden in that conversation he said, 188 00:11:21,515 --> 00:11:24,340 "Let's talk about killing Joe 189 00:11:24,375 --> 00:11:26,059 instead of Brad." 190 00:11:27,688 --> 00:11:30,179 - I just couldn't even imagine 191 00:11:30,214 --> 00:11:32,732 such a thing as killing a father. 192 00:11:34,343 --> 00:11:36,185 - Well, we only got two hours. 193 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:37,656 Got to get that conversation. Got to get that money. 194 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,658 - I don't like your freaking out. 195 00:11:39,682 --> 00:11:41,535 That's what I'm talking about. Don't freak out. 196 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,278 - Everything was kind of getting to an end 197 00:11:45,354 --> 00:11:47,747 because we are really planning an actual murder. 198 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:02,545 [tense music] 199 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:04,881 - Dr. King and Dr. Mockovak 200 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:09,302 were the two owners at Clearly Lasik. 201 00:12:09,378 --> 00:12:11,512 Michael Mockovak tells me that 202 00:12:11,589 --> 00:12:14,232 he wants to kill Joe King. 203 00:12:28,439 --> 00:12:30,406 - Clearly Lasik is just going great, 204 00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:33,242 and then from 2007 to 2008 205 00:12:33,277 --> 00:12:35,870 while the recession was sweeping over the country, 206 00:12:35,947 --> 00:12:38,214 their revenue dropped $7 million. 207 00:12:38,950 --> 00:12:41,760 I mean, the business just kind of crashed. 208 00:12:42,787 --> 00:12:46,589 - Dr. King did confide in me that 209 00:12:46,624 --> 00:12:48,382 things were not going well 210 00:12:48,459 --> 00:12:49,675 and that there might've been 211 00:12:49,752 --> 00:12:51,853 a potential dissolve in the business. 212 00:13:02,974 --> 00:13:06,776 - So Dr. King has given Mockovak an ultimatum. 213 00:13:06,811 --> 00:13:08,444 Like, "We are splitting this business up 214 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:09,575 "at the end of October. 215 00:13:09,647 --> 00:13:11,372 We are done being partners." 216 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:18,579 - Dr. King was very successful still working 217 00:13:18,656 --> 00:13:20,623 in the Canadian market covering a lot more 218 00:13:20,634 --> 00:13:23,793 because the Canadian market wasn't affected by the bubble 219 00:13:23,804 --> 00:13:25,711 that we all experienced here. 220 00:13:25,788 --> 00:13:29,423 So at the time, Dr. King was ready to say, 221 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,300 "You know what? I'm doing all the work. 222 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:34,354 This business partnership no longer makes sense." 223 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,641 - The Canadian centers would become Dr. King's, 224 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:41,310 and Dr. Mockovak would keep the American centers. 225 00:13:41,345 --> 00:13:44,313 And it wasn't so much about which one was profitable 226 00:13:44,348 --> 00:13:47,400 and which one wasn't. It was more about Dr. Mockovak 227 00:13:47,476 --> 00:13:48,985 didn't have surgical rights in Canada, 228 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:50,537 so what would be the point? 229 00:13:57,987 --> 00:14:01,664 - The difficult part was to keep it all to myself 230 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:04,750 while I know what he's actually planning on doing. 231 00:14:04,827 --> 00:14:08,629 That's why I felt relieved every time I spoke with the FBI 232 00:14:08,706 --> 00:14:11,966 because they were the only person who knew about it. 233 00:14:12,043 --> 00:14:14,093 - We learned during this meeting 234 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:16,762 that we have a clear target shift. 235 00:14:16,839 --> 00:14:19,015 He shifts his murderous intentions 236 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,818 to business partner, Joe King. 237 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:31,652 - We'd hear little rumors that Mockovak's not in a good place, 238 00:14:31,729 --> 00:14:35,031 that he'd break down in tears at the end of a surgery day. 239 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,044 There was other times he would just be angry 240 00:14:37,068 --> 00:14:38,585 and tossing stuff around. 241 00:14:40,029 --> 00:14:41,662 - One day, I was asked 242 00:14:41,739 --> 00:14:44,874 to take some documents over to Mockovak. 243 00:14:44,885 --> 00:14:49,128 So I went over there, and he broke down into my arms 244 00:14:49,205 --> 00:14:52,056 and told me that he was getting a divorce. 245 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:58,554 - Heather first came to me and told me that 246 00:14:58,565 --> 00:15:01,515 she felt she should get a divorce. 247 00:15:01,592 --> 00:15:05,728 She was having trouble getting along with Michael, 248 00:15:05,763 --> 00:15:08,990 and that it... She said, "Dad, it's just not gonna work." 249 00:15:10,059 --> 00:15:12,693 - Michael Mockovak is starting to lose control of his life, 250 00:15:12,770 --> 00:15:15,071 and he's a man that likes to be in control. 251 00:15:15,081 --> 00:15:18,532 He saw himself as, like, a leader, 252 00:15:18,609 --> 00:15:21,827 pillar of the community, rich guy... Like, 253 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:23,423 these are the things that he felt 254 00:15:23,447 --> 00:15:25,414 he was entitled to in his life, 255 00:15:25,449 --> 00:15:29,043 and then that all started sliding away. 256 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,054 He ends up getting divorced. 257 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:37,760 - So Mockovak wanted to meet again. 258 00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:41,847 The FBI told me that they're gonna wire me up again. 259 00:15:41,924 --> 00:15:44,433 Gets recorded. They can listen to it later. 260 00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:45,893 - Time was on our side. 261 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:48,562 Nothing seemed to be happening right away. 262 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,108 There didn't seem to be a desire immediately 263 00:15:52,143 --> 00:15:56,412 for things to happen, so we were treading lightly. 264 00:16:22,673 --> 00:16:26,434 - They were in a heavily populated area. 265 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:28,945 We did not need any close-in surveillance on Dan. 266 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:36,110 - At this point, there is really no way out. 267 00:16:36,187 --> 00:16:40,448 I'm already an accomplice in this with him, 268 00:16:40,524 --> 00:16:43,826 so I had to play this role of 269 00:16:43,861 --> 00:16:47,797 basically being his co-murderer. 270 00:16:56,874 --> 00:17:00,134 - Dr. King was getting ready to go on his trip to Australia. 271 00:17:00,211 --> 00:17:03,679 He was excited for the sun, the beach, the warmth. 272 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:06,766 - They were gonna rent a van and... 273 00:17:06,842 --> 00:17:08,851 One that you could sleep in 274 00:17:08,886 --> 00:17:10,853 and take the kids over there 275 00:17:10,888 --> 00:17:13,814 and giving the kids all their time. 276 00:17:13,891 --> 00:17:16,108 That was valuable to them. 277 00:17:16,185 --> 00:17:17,860 - Once we finished lunch, 278 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,706 him and I went outside of the Bellevue athletic club, 279 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:22,782 and we just kind of walked on the sidewalk 280 00:17:22,858 --> 00:17:24,658 away from the parking lot 281 00:17:24,735 --> 00:17:27,286 where it was just the two of us, 282 00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:29,663 and he felt very comfortable 283 00:17:29,740 --> 00:17:33,676 talking about the actual murder. 284 00:17:52,053 --> 00:17:54,730 [tense music] 285 00:18:01,772 --> 00:18:03,750 - So as I listen to these recordings, 286 00:18:03,774 --> 00:18:05,199 it's just very disturbing. 287 00:18:05,276 --> 00:18:09,161 Many law enforcement officers and FBI agents 288 00:18:09,238 --> 00:18:13,633 had Lasik surgery performed by Dr. Mockovak. 289 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,253 So to hear Dr. Mockovak 290 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:20,714 planning the murder of Dr. King, 291 00:18:20,791 --> 00:18:23,017 it's just... It's very surreal. 292 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:43,779 - He doesn't try to negotiate. 293 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:46,115 He doesn't say that it's too much, 294 00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:47,199 and so he's there. 295 00:18:47,276 --> 00:18:49,877 He continues to be on board. 296 00:19:09,173 --> 00:19:12,224 - Mockovak's quietly then stashing cash. 297 00:19:12,301 --> 00:19:16,645 He will try to learn the travel itinerary of Joe King. 298 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,901 So he's clearly planning to use Kultin's contacts 299 00:19:21,977 --> 00:19:23,870 to carry out Joe King's murder. 300 00:19:25,856 --> 00:19:28,240 There is a discussion whether we let Dr. King 301 00:19:28,317 --> 00:19:30,826 know what's going on or not. 302 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:34,330 Not knowing how Dr. King and his family would react, 303 00:19:34,365 --> 00:19:35,748 the likelihood of compromising 304 00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:38,083 the entire investigation existed. 305 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,762 So the decision was made to keep it mum. 306 00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:48,969 - So the next meeting took place 307 00:19:49,046 --> 00:19:50,763 at the Maggiano's restaurant. 308 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:54,266 The FBI's instructions for that meeting were to 309 00:19:54,343 --> 00:19:56,611 talk specifics of the murder. 310 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:01,106 - This time they gave me video equipment. 311 00:20:01,183 --> 00:20:03,651 We wanted to record the money transfer. 312 00:20:03,727 --> 00:20:06,362 - The classic defense to any criminal charge is, 313 00:20:06,397 --> 00:20:08,864 "It's not me. You got the wrong guy." 314 00:20:08,899 --> 00:20:11,200 If I have you on video doing it, 315 00:20:11,211 --> 00:20:14,337 that pretty much takes that defense off the table. 316 00:20:30,421 --> 00:20:34,723 - We have got to convince the court that it was clear 317 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:37,309 that this is not a crime 318 00:20:37,386 --> 00:20:40,896 that was manufactured by law enforcement 319 00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:43,732 or its agents or its informants; 320 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:47,653 that this crime originated in the mind of the target, 321 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:48,788 Dr. Mockovak. 322 00:21:00,451 --> 00:21:02,918 At the restaurant, there were law enforcement agents 323 00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:05,089 watching the meeting between the two men. 324 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:16,265 - This time they really wanted me to get the details. 325 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:22,104 They gave me tons of questions to ask and how to react 326 00:21:22,139 --> 00:21:24,773 and you know, basically what to say. 327 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:26,734 - As we moved forward, 328 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:28,777 some of the things that were missing 329 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,739 are we're gonna need the overt act: 330 00:21:31,815 --> 00:21:35,701 The payment, a delivery of the flight plans, 331 00:21:35,778 --> 00:21:37,453 photographs of the family. 332 00:21:37,488 --> 00:21:39,288 This is going to be 333 00:21:39,323 --> 00:21:42,800 Dr. Mockovak bringing the murder to fruition. 334 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:12,738 - The logical response is, 335 00:22:12,815 --> 00:22:14,167 "Oh, just look at him on the internet," 336 00:22:14,191 --> 00:22:15,960 because they're all over the internet. 337 00:22:15,984 --> 00:22:18,304 But immediately he remembers this family portrait. 338 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:15,050 - This is, for me, a "holy crap" moment. 339 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:20,889 Dr. Mockovak has a $5 million key-man insurance policy. 340 00:23:20,924 --> 00:23:26,019 He is greedy and is willing to murder for money 341 00:23:26,096 --> 00:23:28,989 and full control of the LASIK surgery centers. 342 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:50,586 - He was just like, business as usual. 343 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:53,172 It felt like he was just doing business 344 00:23:53,248 --> 00:23:55,488 by getting rid of one of the business partners. 345 00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:07,853 - All of a sudden, 346 00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:09,271 as we're talking about 347 00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:12,232 this gruesome murder, 348 00:24:12,309 --> 00:24:14,034 someone takes a picture. 349 00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:26,246 - So when this random flash goes off, 350 00:24:26,323 --> 00:24:28,457 I had to think very fast. 351 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:31,126 I was nervous because I didn't know what he could think. 352 00:24:31,137 --> 00:24:34,013 He might think that I'm getting him on camera. 353 00:24:41,672 --> 00:24:45,098 - There was no plan for them to get up and leave. 354 00:24:45,175 --> 00:24:48,477 It took the agents aback because that was not something 355 00:24:48,512 --> 00:24:50,946 that they had anticipated happening. 356 00:24:54,476 --> 00:24:57,411 - So he wanted me to go with him to his car. 357 00:25:00,190 --> 00:25:01,406 He told me that he has a gun 358 00:25:01,483 --> 00:25:03,523 in his glove compartment in his car. 359 00:25:05,696 --> 00:25:06,921 I was scared. 360 00:25:10,917 --> 00:25:13,585 [tense music] 361 00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:23,229 - So he wanted me to go with him to his car. 362 00:25:25,215 --> 00:25:26,515 - He told me that he has a gun 363 00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:29,184 in his glove compartment in his car. 364 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:30,644 I was scared. 365 00:25:30,721 --> 00:25:32,688 - It was not going to be possible 366 00:25:32,698 --> 00:25:34,314 for those agents 367 00:25:34,391 --> 00:25:36,692 to continue that close-in surveillance. 368 00:25:36,702 --> 00:25:42,030 They were intercepting some of the transmissions, 369 00:25:42,065 --> 00:25:45,417 so they knew where Dan was going. 370 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:58,130 - His car was parked way downstairs in the garage, 371 00:25:58,206 --> 00:26:00,382 and my car was parked upstairs, 372 00:26:00,417 --> 00:26:04,478 so I drove him in my car to his car. 373 00:26:09,092 --> 00:26:11,810 - I realize that if we go to the parking garage, 374 00:26:11,887 --> 00:26:15,564 the FBI who were listening will not be able to hear. 375 00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:17,575 Who knows what's gonna happen? 376 00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:24,406 - The on-scene investigators decided 377 00:26:24,417 --> 00:26:27,159 that they would not tail the two men 378 00:26:27,235 --> 00:26:30,078 into the bowels of the parking garage for two reasons. 379 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,247 Number one, we're getting very close. 380 00:26:32,282 --> 00:26:33,832 It's coming to a head. 381 00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:36,168 And number two, if it were discovered 382 00:26:36,244 --> 00:26:40,047 and indeed Mockovak were armed and out of control, 383 00:26:40,123 --> 00:26:42,674 then we've even further 384 00:26:42,751 --> 00:26:46,186 jeopardized the safety of our source. 385 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:59,408 - He was tipsy, and FBI wasn't listening at that moment. 386 00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:02,361 - Dan's at risk. 387 00:27:02,437 --> 00:27:04,248 All we can do while they're down there 388 00:27:04,272 --> 00:27:06,081 is wait and hope for the best. 389 00:27:41,643 --> 00:27:43,819 - The plan was to have Mockovak 390 00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:47,322 purchase an item online from the Russian mafia 391 00:27:47,357 --> 00:27:49,574 which looked like it was an expensive item. 392 00:27:49,651 --> 00:27:52,661 Let's say a $15,000 watch. 393 00:27:52,696 --> 00:27:57,383 But in reality, they would send him a cheap replica instead. 394 00:28:12,841 --> 00:28:15,684 I had to make up that in Russia that means a lot. 395 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:19,438 It's like being connected for life. 396 00:28:19,514 --> 00:28:22,524 If we play chess, that's a big thing. 397 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:25,619 So I just made that thing up on the fly. 398 00:28:36,865 --> 00:28:38,507 - [laughs] 399 00:28:41,887 --> 00:28:43,345 [laughs] 400 00:28:44,748 --> 00:28:47,725 [laughter] 401 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,872 When we finally left each other in the parking garage, 402 00:29:18,949 --> 00:29:24,669 I was... I felt relieved that, "I'm alive. 403 00:29:24,746 --> 00:29:26,724 Yeah, I didn't get the money from him 404 00:29:26,748 --> 00:29:28,215 like I was supposed to," 405 00:29:28,291 --> 00:29:31,426 but I felt I was really nervous. 406 00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:35,689 It just was too dangerous for me. 407 00:29:37,968 --> 00:29:40,894 - We don't really have a case. 408 00:29:40,971 --> 00:29:44,439 We need Dr. Mockovak to take the substantial step, 409 00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:47,734 the overt act, toward completing the crime. 410 00:29:47,811 --> 00:29:50,946 That was very important from an investigative component 411 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:52,948 and piece of evidence. 412 00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:54,908 We needed another meeting 413 00:29:54,985 --> 00:29:58,453 between Dan Kultin and Michael Mockovak, 414 00:29:58,464 --> 00:30:01,590 but first we had Dan call Dr. Mockovak. 415 00:30:02,617 --> 00:30:05,594 [line trilling] 416 00:30:06,806 --> 00:30:08,797 We thought it was important 417 00:30:08,832 --> 00:30:12,518 to give him an opportunity to back out. 418 00:30:18,675 --> 00:30:20,611 - And my mind immediately spun up 419 00:30:20,635 --> 00:30:21,935 that "This is the back-out. 420 00:30:22,012 --> 00:30:24,938 This is the point that I'm done." 421 00:30:25,015 --> 00:30:26,951 And if there's a point to back out, 422 00:30:26,975 --> 00:30:28,784 this... this would be it. 423 00:30:43,991 --> 00:30:47,335 [tense music] 424 00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:48,848 - During the course of the investigation, 425 00:30:48,872 --> 00:30:51,339 we've gotten great murder talk, 426 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,676 but we also, as investigators, thought it was important 427 00:30:54,711 --> 00:30:58,730 to give Dr. Mockovak an opportunity to back out. 428 00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:06,947 - Mm-hmm. 429 00:31:13,372 --> 00:31:14,454 - Oh, yeah. 430 00:31:19,069 --> 00:31:21,995 - It was important for us to capture Dr. Mockovak 431 00:31:22,072 --> 00:31:25,707 on video delivering the payment for the hitman, 432 00:31:25,742 --> 00:31:29,044 the travel plans for Joe King's family, 433 00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,763 and the photograph of Joe King's family. 434 00:31:39,089 --> 00:31:41,815 - Law enforcement officials are watching the two men. 435 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:53,526 - I was nervous, but at the same time 436 00:31:53,603 --> 00:31:55,862 I knew that I had this thing I had to do 437 00:31:55,939 --> 00:31:58,531 'cause I already postponed it once. 438 00:31:58,608 --> 00:32:00,586 I didn't want to postpone it again. 439 00:32:00,610 --> 00:32:02,077 - We got to bring it home. 440 00:32:02,112 --> 00:32:05,080 If Dr. Mockovak is going to have Joe King killed, 441 00:32:05,115 --> 00:32:07,916 he's got to say, "Okay. 442 00:32:07,951 --> 00:32:10,752 "Let's do the deed. I'm paying you the money. 443 00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:15,590 "Here's how to find him, and the next time we speak, 444 00:32:15,625 --> 00:32:17,592 "you should be reporting back to me 445 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:19,519 that he's met his demise." 446 00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:42,117 - He tells Dan to count the money 447 00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:46,004 to ensure that it's all present, and Dan does so. 448 00:33:03,173 --> 00:33:05,357 [laughter] 449 00:33:07,510 --> 00:33:09,477 - I liked him as my boss, 450 00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:12,114 but I realize at that point... 451 00:33:13,683 --> 00:33:15,033 He was evil. 452 00:33:24,694 --> 00:33:27,162 - It was clear that he had an intent 453 00:33:27,197 --> 00:33:30,623 to kill Dr. King at the end. 454 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:34,127 And not only did he say so, he followed through. 455 00:33:34,204 --> 00:33:35,837 He delivered money. 456 00:33:35,872 --> 00:33:38,840 He delivered Dr. King's travel itinerary 457 00:33:38,851 --> 00:33:41,509 and the picture of Dr. King, 458 00:33:41,544 --> 00:33:43,895 his wife, Holly, and their family. 459 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:52,154 - We clearly had probable cause for an arrest. 460 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:57,025 On the day of the arrest, 461 00:33:57,036 --> 00:33:59,694 we set up a surveillance operation. 462 00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:02,030 He traveled to a nearby gym 463 00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:04,532 where he was going to work out. 464 00:34:04,567 --> 00:34:06,826 [sirens wailing] 465 00:34:06,903 --> 00:34:09,162 We arrested him in his gym clothes 466 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,707 to be assured that he was not armed in any capacity. 467 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:15,710 [dramatic music] 468 00:34:21,251 --> 00:34:22,884 - Once they arrested him, 469 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:25,887 one of the FBI agents came to our office, 470 00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:30,650 and we had to tell the senior management what's going on. 471 00:34:33,263 --> 00:34:36,689 - At the time, I just remember sliding down the wall 472 00:34:36,766 --> 00:34:39,734 and trying to breathe again. 473 00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:40,827 Um... 474 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,905 - We got a phone call from Sheree, 475 00:34:43,916 --> 00:34:47,242 and she was beside herself, like could hardly breathe, 476 00:34:47,277 --> 00:34:49,244 could hardly talk. 477 00:34:49,279 --> 00:34:51,913 - Our whole world 478 00:34:51,924 --> 00:34:56,042 was torn apart from us that very moment, 479 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,221 and it was the hardest thing to grasp. 480 00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:08,930 - I was just, like, stunned, like, completely... 481 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:13,101 Like, I recall, like, in that moment, I started to tear up. 482 00:35:13,112 --> 00:35:16,604 I never in my mind thought that he was capable 483 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,566 or that he had that sort of mal intent towards my brother, 484 00:35:19,642 --> 00:35:22,277 and so I was completely just blown away at that moment. 485 00:35:22,312 --> 00:35:24,737 - I get a call from Joe's brother, 486 00:35:24,814 --> 00:35:27,240 and he told me, he says, "Mark, 487 00:35:27,317 --> 00:35:33,246 Michael Mockovak has ordered a hit on Joe." 488 00:35:33,323 --> 00:35:37,792 I just couldn't even imagine such a thing 489 00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:40,846 as killing a father of a beautiful family. 490 00:35:42,665 --> 00:35:44,891 I just... I was in tears. 491 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:50,555 I was with Heather shortly after. 492 00:35:50,632 --> 00:35:53,975 She was totally blown away. 493 00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:57,645 It just kills you to see your children 494 00:35:57,656 --> 00:35:59,739 hurt in a thing like this. 495 00:36:04,187 --> 00:36:05,945 - When I called my brother, 496 00:36:06,022 --> 00:36:08,000 and now he's kind of hearing this information, 497 00:36:08,024 --> 00:36:10,658 it was incredibly intense 498 00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:14,329 and really surreal 499 00:36:14,364 --> 00:36:15,922 and a lot of fear. 500 00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:24,005 - It's been a terrifying few days for us. 501 00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:26,341 Our family's very afraid. 502 00:36:26,376 --> 00:36:29,677 I am tremendously concerned that if he is released, 503 00:36:29,712 --> 00:36:31,104 he'll come to finish the job. 504 00:36:32,048 --> 00:36:35,901 - Dr. Mockovak was able to post bond on $3 million. 505 00:36:37,053 --> 00:36:38,864 - Now we had to deal with the fear of 506 00:36:38,888 --> 00:36:41,189 "Where does it end for him?" If he's desperate, 507 00:36:41,224 --> 00:36:44,242 would he come after more people than just the King family? 508 00:36:45,728 --> 00:36:48,196 - We are standing by the window in the office, 509 00:36:48,207 --> 00:36:52,033 and we see Michael Mockovak's black Lexus 510 00:36:52,044 --> 00:36:53,868 pulling into the parking lot, 511 00:36:53,903 --> 00:36:56,037 and someone yells, "That's Mockovak. 512 00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:58,008 He's coming back to the office." 513 00:36:58,074 --> 00:37:00,375 Everyone started panicking. 514 00:37:00,410 --> 00:37:01,709 And then five, ten minutes later, 515 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,345 the SWAT team shows up. 516 00:37:04,414 --> 00:37:06,047 [siren wails] 517 00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:08,383 [indistinct police radio chatter] 518 00:37:08,418 --> 00:37:11,177 And they're all pointing at the black Lexus. 519 00:37:11,254 --> 00:37:13,399 And next thing you know, instead of Mockovak, 520 00:37:13,423 --> 00:37:18,059 there is this real estate lady who also had this black Lexus. 521 00:37:18,094 --> 00:37:22,730 - And this poor woman had guns surrounding her car 522 00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:24,910 because they thought that Mockovak was there. 523 00:37:24,934 --> 00:37:29,070 That was the fear that came from this whole incident. 524 00:37:29,105 --> 00:37:32,031 - I cannot imagine the fear. 525 00:37:32,108 --> 00:37:34,867 It weighed heavily on the King family. 526 00:37:34,944 --> 00:37:38,413 Holly King's sister was married to him. 527 00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:41,082 He was at one time 528 00:37:41,093 --> 00:37:44,252 a loved and trusted family member. 529 00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:47,088 - Joe and Holly King, they were living in hotels. 530 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,882 They were moving around, you know, different places 531 00:37:49,959 --> 00:37:52,079 because they didn't want to be any place 532 00:37:52,128 --> 00:37:55,263 where he could find them. 533 00:37:55,274 --> 00:37:58,099 - That was a very terrifying time, 534 00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:00,393 and especially for Holly, like, 535 00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:04,439 it was just frightening the idea that this is somebody 536 00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:07,275 that has planned to kill your husband, 537 00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:11,371 and this is now a person that is able to be out on bail. 538 00:38:17,296 --> 00:38:19,465 - Lasik eye surgeon Michael Mockovak is accused 539 00:38:19,489 --> 00:38:21,247 of trying to hire a hitman 540 00:38:21,324 --> 00:38:23,469 to kill his business partner, Dr. Joseph King, 541 00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:25,460 and Brad Klock. 542 00:38:25,495 --> 00:38:27,754 - Mockovak hired three of the 543 00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:30,757 strongest criminal defense attorneys in town. 544 00:38:30,833 --> 00:38:33,134 - We all know that the defenses are gonna be two things. 545 00:38:33,145 --> 00:38:35,720 There's joking or entrapment. 546 00:38:35,797 --> 00:38:38,431 - The first person who brings up Joseph King 547 00:38:38,508 --> 00:38:40,308 and the insurance policy, 548 00:38:40,319 --> 00:38:44,404 not Dr. Michael Mockovak, but Daniel Kultin. 549 00:38:50,085 --> 00:38:52,487 [tense music] 550 00:38:56,025 --> 00:38:58,951 - The first person who brings up Joseph King 551 00:38:59,028 --> 00:39:00,828 and the insurance policy, 552 00:39:00,863 --> 00:39:05,083 not Dr. Michael Mockovak, but Daniel Kultin. 553 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:06,584 - Entrapment is a real thing. 554 00:39:06,661 --> 00:39:09,295 It's kind of a delicate dance in these cases. 555 00:39:09,372 --> 00:39:11,130 - You look at those tapes, 556 00:39:11,207 --> 00:39:14,342 you know, you listen; he's not kidding. 557 00:39:14,377 --> 00:39:16,577 So the only defense is, he was entrapped. 558 00:39:18,881 --> 00:39:20,181 - [laughs] 559 00:39:20,216 --> 00:39:21,485 - The star witness in this case was Daniel. 560 00:39:21,509 --> 00:39:22,934 He... he was... 561 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:25,269 Everyone was waiting to hear from him, 562 00:39:25,346 --> 00:39:28,106 and he was the lifeblood of the prosecution's case. 563 00:39:28,182 --> 00:39:31,943 - I got a sense that he wanted him to... 564 00:39:32,019 --> 00:39:34,278 disappear. 565 00:39:34,355 --> 00:39:36,166 - And what did "disappear" mean? 566 00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:37,115 - Um... 567 00:39:37,191 --> 00:39:38,116 kill him. 568 00:39:38,192 --> 00:39:40,451 That was definitely 569 00:39:40,528 --> 00:39:43,371 a difficult experience to go through. 570 00:39:43,406 --> 00:39:46,499 - Daniel was an absolute civilian. 571 00:39:46,576 --> 00:39:48,960 He was a bystander in this. This wasn't... 572 00:39:49,036 --> 00:39:51,963 He did nothing to put himself in this position 573 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:53,965 other than do the right thing 574 00:39:54,041 --> 00:39:56,893 when his boss came to him looking for a hitman. 575 00:40:01,382 --> 00:40:02,401 - Is it a possibility? 576 00:40:02,425 --> 00:40:03,891 Of course it's a possibility 577 00:40:03,926 --> 00:40:05,237 that he could be found to be not guilty. 578 00:40:05,261 --> 00:40:06,894 - You know, you never know 579 00:40:06,929 --> 00:40:09,155 how a jury is gonna react. 580 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,326 It's a horrible situation. 581 00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:18,331 - On the day of the verdict, the King family was there. 582 00:40:23,946 --> 00:40:25,549 - We, the jury, find the defendant, 583 00:40:25,573 --> 00:40:27,081 Michael Emeric Mockovak, 584 00:40:27,116 --> 00:40:29,094 guilty of the crime of solicitation 585 00:40:29,118 --> 00:40:31,198 to commit murder in the first degree. 586 00:40:33,956 --> 00:40:36,507 - They found him guilty of all counts, 587 00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:38,885 save for the charge 588 00:40:38,961 --> 00:40:42,346 involving the solicitation to murder Brad Klock. 589 00:40:42,423 --> 00:40:45,349 - I was at the office when we found out 590 00:40:45,426 --> 00:40:48,186 that the verdict was guilty. 591 00:40:48,262 --> 00:40:50,605 We all shouted with joy, like... 592 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,399 I think I probably ran from my office going, 593 00:40:53,476 --> 00:40:55,287 "Oh, my God. He's guilty. He's guilty." 594 00:40:55,311 --> 00:40:57,871 - It definitely felt like it was a relief. 595 00:41:02,652 --> 00:41:04,463 - Michael Mockovak is led into court 596 00:41:04,487 --> 00:41:06,412 shackled in a jail jumpsuit, 597 00:41:06,489 --> 00:41:08,634 here to learn his punishment for hiring a hitman 598 00:41:08,658 --> 00:41:11,584 to kill his business partner, Dr. Joe King. 599 00:41:11,661 --> 00:41:13,586 - On March 17, 2011, 600 00:41:13,663 --> 00:41:18,090 Dr. Mockovak was sentenced to 20 years in prison. 601 00:41:18,167 --> 00:41:20,145 - After 20 years when he gets out, 602 00:41:20,169 --> 00:41:22,147 I don't know what kind of person he's gonna be. 603 00:41:22,171 --> 00:41:25,097 Will he want to murder more people when he gets out, 604 00:41:25,174 --> 00:41:27,308 or will he actually learn his lesson? 605 00:41:27,343 --> 00:41:28,392 I don't know. 606 00:41:28,469 --> 00:41:29,560 - I think that 607 00:41:29,637 --> 00:41:31,323 the year and a half of trauma 608 00:41:31,347 --> 00:41:35,066 we had with him out on bail was incredibly stressful. 609 00:41:35,142 --> 00:41:38,402 And I think it's gonna have a period of adjustment 610 00:41:38,479 --> 00:41:40,639 realizing that he's actually locked away. 611 00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:44,283 - I think even from behind prison... 612 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,618 Prison bars, 613 00:41:45,695 --> 00:41:47,745 there's a risk to us. 614 00:41:47,822 --> 00:41:49,330 But certainly the risk is far less 615 00:41:49,341 --> 00:41:52,258 than if he were a free man. 616 00:41:58,708 --> 00:42:00,258 - I wasn't happy. 617 00:42:00,334 --> 00:42:02,677 The whole thing is not a happy deal. 618 00:42:02,712 --> 00:42:06,264 You know, part of me says, 619 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:08,432 "Michael, why? 620 00:42:08,509 --> 00:42:10,017 Why'd you ruin your life?" 621 00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:12,979 So many people damaged 622 00:42:13,055 --> 00:42:17,316 over one person's move. 623 00:42:17,393 --> 00:42:19,371 - My brother doesn't feel comfortable 624 00:42:19,395 --> 00:42:20,987 living in the United States. 625 00:42:21,063 --> 00:42:22,446 He went up and is, you know, 626 00:42:22,523 --> 00:42:24,042 brought his family and living in Canada, 627 00:42:24,066 --> 00:42:25,210 and that's always something 628 00:42:25,234 --> 00:42:27,212 that plays on his mind is like, 629 00:42:27,236 --> 00:42:29,996 "Well, when Mockovak gets free, like, 630 00:42:30,072 --> 00:42:33,708 is he gonna do anything to harm his family?" 631 00:42:33,743 --> 00:42:36,627 - I don't think they'll ever, ever be able to go back 632 00:42:36,704 --> 00:42:38,390 to what we call a "normal life." 633 00:42:38,414 --> 00:42:41,132 They're always gonna be 634 00:42:41,208 --> 00:42:43,342 looking over their shoulder. 635 00:42:43,419 --> 00:42:46,721 - There is a carnage of victims that were affected 636 00:42:46,756 --> 00:42:50,474 by this case, by his bad decision, 637 00:42:50,551 --> 00:42:54,645 and I don't think that the King family 638 00:42:54,722 --> 00:42:57,189 will ever feel the same 639 00:42:57,266 --> 00:42:59,492 that they felt about life before. 640 00:43:02,438 --> 00:43:04,249 - If you're looking for a hero in all this, it's Daniel. 641 00:43:04,273 --> 00:43:05,573 Daniel, 642 00:43:05,608 --> 00:43:08,409 in all likelihood, saved Dr. King's life. 643 00:43:08,444 --> 00:43:10,661 - Some people thought I was a hero. 644 00:43:10,738 --> 00:43:12,738 Some people think I'm a snitch. 645 00:43:12,782 --> 00:43:15,541 Would I do it again if same thing happens 646 00:43:15,618 --> 00:43:18,753 or if I see someone somewhere is trying to murder someone? 647 00:43:18,788 --> 00:43:20,680 Yeah. Absolutely. 648 00:43:35,471 --> 00:43:36,740 - For more on "Murder For Hire," 649 00:43:36,764 --> 00:43:38,323 go to Oxygen.com. 51206

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