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Hello,

I'm Alec Baldwin. First up tonight, Emmy -winning actress Regina King.

Her latest project is a much -talked -about new film, If Beale Street Could

Talk. The movie, which is expected to be an Oscar contender, is based on a novel

by iconic writer James Baldwin.

Also tonight, famed women's rights attorney Gloria Allred is here. In the

Me Too and Time's Up, Gloria Allred has been front and center in a number of

high -profile cases, including her representation of many of the women who

brought charges against Bill Cosby. We're glad you've joined us, Regina King

Gloria Allred, coming up right now.

Wow. You've been watching some stuff of yours.

You've been watching some clips of yours and trailers of yours.

Getting all familiar.

What I want to ask you is, you've directed a lot. Yes.

And how did being an actor influence...

I mean, were the directors you worked with, and when you started directing,

you say, I'm going to do a little bit of that and not much of that? Not much of

that, yeah. I mean, you know how it is as an actor.

Nothing worse than a director coming on set and realizing that he or she hasn't

done their homework or are not really familiar with any of the story arcs.

admit what they don't know. Yeah, don't admit. And, you know, I would rather

someone admit what they don't know and let's have a conversation about it than

to pretend like they do.

So, yeah, I just feel being an actor, having a shorthand with the other

that was my strength going in, knowing and identifying, you know, how to

determine which actor rather not overtalk a scene and which actor

needs to talk about it.

Let me just interject.

Did they tell you this was black tie, this show?

Because you look stunning.

Why, thank you. Did they say this was formal and black tie?

No, they didn't. Because you look better than anybody that's come on the program

so far.

Really? You look amazing.

They said it was going to be an evening thing.

Sure.

Evening. Evening, yeah.

When did that idea first hit you? When did you first say, I want to do that?

I can do that. I can do that.

There were two moments, and I'm glad you caught that. One, I would say somewhere

around my early 30s did I

realize I want to do that, especially around the time working with

Tony Scott and just really watching his style of communication

with each.

The movie you made with Tony was what for the audience that doesn't know?

of the State. Enemy of the State. He's just such a joy, but also

knows when to be serious and when to lighten up everything.

And I just felt like that was just really indicative of what a captain does

they are steering a ship, you know.

So that was probably the first moment that I was like, I want to do this. But

fear of people thinking that me wanting to do it was just a

vanity thing, just an actor not really serious about the process.

So once I realized that that was something that I'd be interested in

my fear of people judging me wanting to do it.

held me back, which happens so often with us and made me never say it out

for years.

For years. I figured I'd like to... Yeah. When you finally did say it. When

finally did say it was I was a guest on the Monique show.

And there was a singer on there. His name was Jaheim.

And...

I was familiar with his music, but after we had done the show, he asked me,

would I be in his video? And I was like, yeah, no, I'm kind of past that point.

I don't I don't do videos.

And then I thought about it like something inside was like this could be

opportunity. And we'd exchange numbers.

And so I text him maybe a couple of days after. And I was like, you know, I'll

be in the video if I can direct the video.

And, you know, held my breath and waited for the reply.

And he was like, yeah, have you ever written a treatment?

And I was like, sure.

Yeah, of course. Of course. While I was riding my motorcycle.

Speaking French. Yes, yes.

Doing a little line dancing. Yeah, that's how I was writing treatment.

And so he, I called Tim Story, a friend of mine. He's a

great director and was like.

So if I said I was going to write a treatment. What's a treatment, Tim?

yeah. How do I start? Where do I start?

So Tim sent me a couple examples of treatments for videos that he had done

the past. Tim was doing movies by this point.

And so I wrote a treatment, sent it to Atlantic, and that was my first, that

my directorial debut.

And from there, I did a short.

and did another video and was ready to start saying it out loud that, you know,

I want to direct. And I don't care what anyone else thinks. If they think it's a

vanity thing, who cares? I really want to direct. And after the video, what was

the first thing you directed?

I did a short for the IFC channel.

They were doing these things where they were pairing athletes with aspiring.

I'll wear your sneakers if you let me direct.

Not quite like that.

But that was the first thing after that was actually. What about series, TV or

film? What's the first one of those? There was a lot that went in between

from that IFC thing with to the first series I directed was

I met with Paris Barkley and he.

Watch the video with the site with the music off and he was like, oh yeah, okay

You can direct you tell the story and so he introduced me to the ABC directing

program and That's where I started Getting till you know

See things not just from an actor's perspective, but able to shadow

I'd already been on Southland shadowing

Christopher Chulak.

But that really took me out of a space that's more comfortable when it's your

show. You know, you can relax more. But when you are outside of your comfort

zone, I feel like that's where your dream just thrives.

So you do, you know, the serious dramas and you play these very serious roles

and you're very good.

But you're funny.

Yeah. And we watch you in Boyz II Men. You're funny. Yeah. And do you ever want

to get back into that in a big way? Oh, my gosh.

You would never do a TV sitcom. You'd never do that kind of thing. Absolutely.

You would.

Maybe not a sitcom.

Maybe something more along the lines.

Yeah, a movie or it would just.

Yeah, maybe not a TV sitcom.

I mean, I have fun when I go and I do a little bit on Big Bang Theory. I'm

playing the straight face, you know.

But I think a lot of, I started out after 227, I started out with more

comedic roles. As a child, you were a child. Even if it was in serious movies,

would still be, it would still be comedic roles. You started out when you

13? 13.

My God.

Where do you live?

Los Angeles. You live in LA? Yeah. And you were born where?

Los Angeles. You're born and raised in L .A. Yeah, one of the few. Did you ever

live out of there for a while? I lived in New York for a couple years.

What was that like? What did you do in New York? Study or do plays? You know

what? It's funny.

I had a clothing line.

And, yeah, I was one of the first. I feel like I keep saying, you know, one

these days I'm going to, you know, show my.

the photos of, like, our fashion shows and things like that on social media.

I'll do it one day. There's a lot of people.

I can't wait. Yeah.

Yeah, Vivica Fox, Tina Arnold, they were my models.

Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah.

What years was this?

This was before my son was born, so this was 92,

93. Early 90s, you were here. Yeah, I was here. Why did you want to go into

fashion business, or that in addition to acting?

Just...

Why not something to do, something that was different? Now, there was this lull

in my career and wanted to keep the creative juices flowing. Maybe this is

acting. Yeah, yeah. So that's, yeah, how it... It was before your son was born?

Is that to you share with your son? Yeah, I share with my son.

Am I allowed to ask what it means? Oh, yeah.

Unconditional love and Aramaic, which a lot of people said, oh, that's Hebrew.

And it's like, yeah, well, Aramaic is phrasing and it's unconditional love. We

studied at the Kabbalah Center for a couple of years.

Your family or just you and your son? Just me and my son.

Yeah.

You know, went through a divorce, happily divorced.

but was not happily divorced at that time.

That would be tough to pull off. Yeah, yeah.

I'd love to see that.

It's a happy, divorcing couple. Yeah, you know a little bit of something.

going to go with your boyfriend right now? Yeah? Are you going to bring him

here to the house? You want me to leave? Fine.

That's great. You want me to clean the kitchen before you guys get back? No

problem.

You want me to paint the living room?

No problem.

But you, well, I'm wondering, my jokey version of that is you have this time

with your son. I'm wondering, with your husband, were you saying to your husband

back then, what's your son's name?

Ian. Ian.

Ian and I are going to go to bridge class. We're taking bridge lessons

Ian and I are going to go to tennis.

He would wish that he would come along.

He wished that he would be invited. You love your son. I do.

I'm told you're crazy about your son. I am. And what does he do? I am. He's a

producer, a music producer and a DJ.

And he's placed a couple songs on shows that I've directed and shows that I

haven't directed. So when the fashion thing doesn't work out, thank God, I

add, and you get back to the business of acting, and you start to really, really

work, work, work, take off, take off, take off, and you have a son, what was

like for you as a mother to... I just feel like it opened me up.

It opened me up. I mean, as far as just as an actor, you...

especially with drama and even, I think, with comedy, you know, because comedy

has to be rooted in some truth for it to really be funny. I mean, that's the

reason why I think that's what comedians do. That's how they get through

whatever is going on inside, by jokes.

And I feel like those performances that are the best performances are the

ones when actors just allow themselves to be just...

the most vulnerable.

And having a child just really allowed me to

not be vulnerable.

You had one?

One. You had one child. Yeah.

My thinking about that was completely different, which was I made a lot of

in this business.

Then I decided I wanted to take it all and burn it in a garbage can. So I had

four kids in the last four and a half years.

That was my parenting idea. As I said, I got to do something with all this

money. Let's have four kids in four and a half years. And all the money went

gone. So that was a plan.

With a plan. Yeah, you went into it.

I'm not going to have to just pay taxes.

I need to spend this. I need to blow this money on something. What am I,

gambling, you know, antiques, artwork?

None of that stuff was burning, yeah. So my wife and I had four children. What

the heck? What the heck, yeah. What were you smoking?

What was I smoking? Geez. I'm smoking it now, that's for sure. I wasn't smoking

it then, but I'm loading up on it now. That's how you get through.

Man, I always tell, you know, people say, you know, do you want to have...

children i'm like in what you got one good joke with my son once and i said to

him i go um just to see where is he just wanted to you know mess with him and i

said uh uh you know um i think i want to i'm gonna have you know another child

and he went oh why would you do that to yourself

I really mean this genuinely. I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable.

You're this stunningly beautiful leading lady, and you're so talented. Everybody

thinks of you. You're very talented. Thank you. And the question becomes, I'm

assuming it's not all that difficult now.

We're all the same, which is there's jobs we want to get, and we wish we

do this.

It is true of the actor's condition.

You know, where I'm like, God, I'm out of work. I'm out of work. I'm out of

work. And then six months later, it was, God, I got to go to work. Damn it, I

got to go to work.

I want to go to the beach. I want to go to Europe.

But for you, has it been harder to be an African -American or a woman?

Honestly, I've had such an incredible team very early on that believed in me

as an actor.

I just started out from having a mother that just never, ever thought

that her girls should do anything less than dream beyond the sky.

So when you have that as your foundation, you're not really going into

with a lot of doubt. You know, I've kind of always gone

into things. Yes, I can.

Yeah, why shouldn't I be able to, you know?

This is a sacrament.

And no, I ain't lost my mind.

We are drinking to new life.

It's going to have finding space.

You got a movie coming out. Yes. And I want to dwell on that for a while. How

did that project come together and how did you get involved in that? I worked

with Plan B. And so they had the success with Moonlight and Barry Jenkins, who's

a genius.

And Bill Street comes and this opportunity.

for me to play this role of Sharon Rivers, and Barry had interest in me as

And so I had not read the book, which I was a little embarrassed about, but I

felt like before I met with Barry, I'd read the script, the script he'd

but I felt like I need to read the book. He just seems like that auteur that...

I need to have all of the information before I sit down. And we had a really

long Skype call that resulted in me being part of this

beautiful piece of art.

I mean, I just saw it at the Toronto Film Festival, and I hate watching

by the way. Like, I will do anything to avoid it.

And this movie, you know, I haven't done a movie.

Well, I'll take that back. Film.

I think there's a difference between the two.

This film. This is a film. This is a film, yeah.

I have not done a film or a movie in...

Double digits of years.

No. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. So just to have the opportunity to do

a film after having not done in so long, and it'd be Barry Jenkins with James

Baldwin's words. And he really honored the book, which was one of the.

conversations that we had, I was like, oh, some of, you know, this is so dated

the way, you know, the characters speak. And he said, you know, if it doesn't

work, you know, we won't do it. But, you know, I really want to honor, you know,

James Baldwin's words.

And I'm so glad we did. And I'm so glad that he stuck to his guns with that. I

look at Baldwin, the other Baldwin, the literary Baldwin.

And his writing, because he was somebody to me who, he would never let people

off the hook.

No, no. He was going to argue his argument until he heard something that

sense. He demanded that it make sense.

Intellectually. Yeah. The reason why he was able to do it so well is because he

was such an artist when it came to words.

And not many people could go toe -to -toe with him with that. He knew how to,

the anger and passion that he had, he knew how to.

keep it in a certain space so that he could still communicate and articulate

what it is that needs to be communicated.

Like for myself, sometimes I get so angry that I'm not the best person to

articulate.

My feelings because my anger gets the best angry about what angry about the

that I have to when my son was preparing to drive at 16 that

Angry and frustrated that my conversation with him is about safety

is beyond not just in the car yeah exactly and feeling like that's not fair

that that conversation that my parents were having with me and when i when we'd

be in the car when they know i'd be going out with young young men in the

and what we needed to look out for cut to 30 -something years, I'm still having

that same conversation with my son.

You know, that feels unfair to me, and it feels unfair to many Americans. And

the thing is, is that I feel like there are a lot of

white Americans that do look at this as an American problem, not a black one.

American problem, but an American problem.

And the more we are honest about that, I think the more we get through those

uncomfortable conversations.

There's this quote that says, when privilege is your norm, equality

feels like oppression.

So we... I wonder if we should end on that note.

Thank you.

I want to ask you, even when you came from the dressing

room to the set here, you were rolling a piece of your luggage.

And in the film about you, you are eternally rolling.

You're like the Flying Dutchman. This is how I roll, Alec. What's in that piece

of luggage? Is it a big thing of cash?

It's actually a briefcase that has two computers.

And that has a number of legal pads.

And your life story is in it.

Okay. All the kidding aside about your luggage reality, I'm curious, you know,

in my lifetime, I turned 60 this year.

So I graduated from high school in the 70s and I was in college at the top of

the 80s and so forth. And in my mind, in my lifetime, I thought things had

gotten better.

And then you look at the film, the cut of the Dinah Shore program.

Very funny, that clip.

Now there's a list of what one husband would want from his wife or any husband

should want from his wife when he came home from work. For instance, one, have

the house presentable.

Be attired in a negligee.

Provide 20 minutes of silence before being presented with the problems of the

day.

Four, be attired in a negligee.

Five. Have a meal prepared within an hour.

And six, be attired in a negligee.

Gloria Allred, are you?

Hi, Gloria.

Hi, Donna. Where are you from?

I'm an attorney in Los Angeles.

Ah, welcome.

And how would you feel if your husband presented you with a list like that?

Well, Donna, I think we have a uterus and a brain, and they both work. And I

think it's very insulting to women.

definite about this. Don't just tiptoe around it.

When I look at that and I think about it myself, I think to myself, I thought

things had gotten better.

Do you think that they're not better?

Alex, I think two steps forward, one step back for women's rights, for

rights, gay, lesbian, transgender rights, for the rights of racial

We are moving forward, but there are always forces that want to take us back.

So I call this now for women, the age of empowerment.

We talk about hashtag Me Too.

And what that really means is women are no longer willing to suffer in silence.

They are going to speak up and they're going to speak out. And many of them are

going to assert their legal rights.

And those who have committed injustice against them are going to have to face

the consequences.

Is this a problem that exists?

At every level of our society?

Or is it more so a condition of powerful men doing this to people in certain

areas of our society? Entertainment and Wall Street and so forth? Or is it

everywhere? Well, the word that you used, powerful, powerful men, I think is

key. Because it is about individuals who are in power, who abuse their positions

of power, and take advantage of the vulnerable.

those who have less power than they do. So it's in the entertainment world, the

sports world, the business world, the educational world, the religious world.

And it exists anywhere and everywhere.

It exists often in people's own homes where someone in power, let's say a

stepfather, sexually abuses a child. That's the person who's vulnerable and

in power.

So yes, this kind of abuse is rampant and severe.

And it's very harmful to the victim.

In the documentary and seeing All Red, they go back into your past and

they show you as having been married very young and having a child very

Yes, my mother always said, if you kiss a boy, you'll get pregnant. And how

right she was. She was right on. She was dead on. She knew everything. But do

you think that there was a time when, you know, your first marriage ended?

and you were still very young and had your daughter, do you find that one of

threads in the work you're doing was a fear you had of being powerless than

yourself? How did that condition kind of inform what you're doing now, if at

all? Well, it wasn't so much fear because fear was a luxury that I never

afford and that many people cannot afford.

It was more of I have a responsibility now. I was a single parent.

I had to...

take care of my child because I knew that I wasn't getting child support.

And I hadn't completed my education.

So I just had to complete my education.

And then I worked as a teacher in Philadelphia.

I commuted to NYU for my master's degree. I worked at nighttime at the

Palsy Foundation.

So as many people do in their 20s, they just do what they have to do.

to keep moving ahead and take care of their children if they're single parents

or their family. Was law school part of the plan for you back then or that arose

later on?

It's amazing how you knew that, Alex, because I did want to go to law school

after I was graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, but I

stood at the counter at the law school...

looking for an application that I didn't have the money to go to law school.

I wouldn't have been able to support my daughter during that time.

And I didn't think I would get a scholarship.

And so I just didn't bother applying. I waited until I was in my early 30s.

And then I was fortunate to be able to go. Now, when did you first become aware

of the Cosby case? How did that come into your screen the first time? I

aware, Alec, when I began to be contacted by...

many women who were accusing Bill Cosby.

Around what year?

That was, I think, around 2014.

And, of course, that was after Hannibal Buress had made his, I guess he

considered it a joke about Bill Cosby calling him a rapist.

And then women started contacting me saying, well, yes, he is.

And then they would tell me the stories.

They wanted me to help, and then I thought, well, what can I do? It's too

as a matter of law for many of them to file a lawsuit because we have something

called the statute of limitations, which is an arbitrary time period set by law

during which you have to file a case or it's too late.

to do it later if you don't do it within that time period. So it was too late

for a civil case, too late for criminal cases. So I thought, well, what can I

do? And it turned out that many of these women still wanted to have a voice.

They wanted to speak what they said was their truth. When someone comes to you

and they say to you, I want you to take my case.

I'm an accuser, and I want you to take my case, and we're going to sue so -and

-so. How do you know if there's no physical evidence? You just take them at

their word, or do you have to get private? How does your firm vet someone

client? Do you?

Is there a methodology by which you vet people to discern whether they're

telling the truth or not? It depends on the case.

We want to always remember that a woman's word is evidence.

Now, it may or may not be believed by a jury.

But it is evidence, a victim's word, whether it's a woman or a man.

And then we have to see what other evidence there is. Is there

Is there what we call a fresh complaint?

For example, did the accuser of Mr.

Cosby tell anyone, friends, family, coworkers, at or about or not long after

time of the alleged incident? If not, why not?

And there may be good reasons why not.

Did they report to law enforcement? Did they not report to law enforcement?

And by the way, many individuals who are the victims of rape or sexual assault

do not report to law enforcement.

And there's no requirement that they report either.

Now, you don't take the case of the accused.

That's correct. With your knowledge of these cases and your inside knowledge,

you think someone was wrongly accused and you wanted to defend those people.

For the same reason that you seek justice on the other side, you don't

take the case of the accused. I don't. And I've had a number of people, some of

whom I know, some of whom I like, many of whom I respect, contact me and say,

look, this person's accusing me. I didn't do it. You know me. I wouldn't

sexually harass someone.

I wouldn't rape.

I'll give you $25 ,000. I'll give you $50 ,000, $100 ,000.

Please represent me because I know if you do, people will know that I couldn't

have done it. I wouldn't have done it. I didn't do it.

And I have to say, well, you know, I appreciate it. Thank you. And I wish you

good luck. I'm not the person for you. Why?

It's just not what I do. I represent persons who allege and have evidence

that they have been victims of abuse, assault, rape, sexual harassment,

not persons who are accused of it.

I mean, I think everybody is entitled to a lawyer.

With all due respect, everyone is not entitled to me.

For those who will choose not to believe that I am speaking the truth of what

happened to me, please know that I wish it were not true.

It's always personal to me if a woman has been a victim of injustice and has

been hurt.

It's always personal.

After I started practicing law, I started going to meetings in support of

Equal Rights Amendment.

And then I decided it was time to volunteer from time to the National

Organization for Women.

The way this was discussed years ago, I'm talking about the Equal Rights

Amendment, and the way this was positioned when I was younger and this

the media, it sounded so natural to me and so right.

to guarantee that women are paid the same that men are paid. I thought to

myself, why don't we have that? And when it was defeated, I thought, who voted

against that and why?

Why do you think we don't have an Equal Rights Amendment in this country? Thank

you so much for bringing that up.

Because all the Equal Rights Amendment says is that equality of rights under

law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on

account of sex.

Now we have 37 states that have...

ratified the Equal Rights Amendment. We need 38, but then we also need the

Congress to act or a court decision that will state that the deadline put for

passage of the Equal Rights Amendment to the United States Constitution should

be taken off and we should allow 38 states to ratify and that should mean

that... The Equal Rights Amendment is added to the United States Constitution.

I don't know, but we're working towards it. And I think it's important because

the only place in the United States Constitution in which women are even

mentioned is the 19th Amendment suffrage, the right to vote for women,

the way, took us 72 years to win from 1848 to 1920 to work

to win the right to vote for women.

In 1923, Alice Paul proposed the Equal Rights Amendment, and here we are, 2018,

95 years later, we still have not won it. But nobody's going to give it to us.

Nobody's ever given us the right to vote or any other rights as women. We've

always had to fight to win those rights, and we have to fight to win the passage

of the Equal Rights Amendment. I can tell you, I think you are the first one

has interviewed me in a long, long time, was even brought up.

the issue of the Equal Rights Amendment. We need it to be a conversation.

Everybody who votes should ask the person that they are planning to vote

you support the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment, or do you not?

In the film, of course, there's this devastating moment for you when Hillary

Clinton loses.

And I'm wondering, how much of yourself did you see in Hillary? A strong...

educated, bright, hardworking woman, did you say to yourself, yeah, this is

exactly the kind of person that should be president?

And secondly, have you ever thought of running for office yourself? I'm sure

you've been encouraged to do that from time to time, no?

Well, we have a wonderful thing in the women's movement.

A woman's place is in the House, the White House.

And I think Hillary...

Hillary's place should have been in the White House. It resonated in a lot of

ways, Alec, in the sense that I see this in the workplace so often, frankly,

where the most highly qualified woman that you could even imagine does not get

the job and instead a completely unqualified, some people may think

man gets the job that she should have had. Some women even have to train the

who gets... Their job, the job they should have had. And this is very

And I think it's one of the reasons that so many women came out for the Women's

March, Women's Marches, not just one in 2017, but 2018 too.

Because they see in what happened something that often happens to them.

You know, so many women, they work so hard.

just to be thought half as good, and then this is the way they're thought of.

as painful as it was, it seems like it really hurt you. It did hurt.

And you're very good at masking your feelings, if I don't think I need to

you that.

But at the same time, you've been there before. It wasn't completely unexpected.

Well, I always... Guys like that beat women like that at that game in some

horrific way.

And I had some young women who were at a Hillary party where I was that night.

And as they saw the returns coming in, they came up to me. They're hugging me

and crying and saying, oh, tell us, what can we do? I can't believe what is

happening. And I always say, first we cry and then we fight.

So, in fact, tears were earned that night.

But then came the women's march and the women's marches.

So we're seeing an evolution, not a revolution, but an evolution.

And we are seeing the age of empowerment of women.

And we're going to stand up.

And it's a process.

I'm told from what I pick up from the film and things I've read about you, you

live a very ascetic life. You don't drink coffee. You don't drink alcohol.

You're very health conscious and very severe.

Work, work, work, work, work.

And would you say that from the work you do, has your very attitude toward men

and opinion of men as a species, has that changed?

Well, when I started 42 years ago practicing law, I never knew that women

victimized in so many ways, employment and education, in their family life, in,

you know, gender violence in the streets.

economically in so many ways I never realized it. And now I see 42 years

that it's getting a little bit better, but we still have a long, long way to

But now we're seeing a power shift in the dynamics, the Me Too movement, and

hopefully the second leg of the Me Too movement is access to justice. Women

saying, I'm not going to let fear be the weapon that causes me to be silent.

I'm going to just... Break out of that fear and find out what my options are

legally. Can I settle this confidentially? Do I file a lawsuit?

What's the probability of success if I file a lawsuit?

Do I just speak out? What are the benefits and risks of speaking out? And

are risks as well as benefits of speaking out. So they're asking the

questions and they're getting answers.

And I think that's important because...

You know, there's a cost to silence and suffering there and fear ruling a

woman's life. There's also a cost to speaking out. So everybody has to weigh

that. But I do think we are moving forward.

Apropos of this dynamic of the cost of speaking out and the cost of remaining

silent, you're known as someone who engages the media to suit your purposes

very aggressive and very effective way.

Have you found that that's a double -edged sword? Yes, it is. It is.

And it is. But, you know, we have to have an impact on the court of public

opinion. So what I'm saying is, yes, they have a right to make the injustices

known against them. It's what Martin Luther King Jr.

did. A lot of people didn't want to hear it at the time.

Some people don't want to hear it now.

I say it's important for those who have not been enjoying equality and who have

been hurt by systematic discrimination to be able to have their voice.

If you have a daughter.

And I have a granddaughter and I have a grandson.

And a daughter and a grandson. Let's say you had a son in addition to or instead

of a daughter. How would you have tried to raise your son?

Well, I have encouraged my grandson to be a feminist because men can be

feminists. Men should be feminists. Just simply a person who believes in equal

rights for women.

With men, as I always say, men their rights and nothing more. Women their

and nothing less.

So, I mean, for me, the opposite of a feminist is a bigot.

I don't see anything in between. It's like you're pregnant or you're not

pregnant. Is there something in between?

You're a feminist or you're a bigot. And you are, speaking of the microphone.

A feminist.

Thank you.

What are the rules now, you think, in the workplace in terms of what people

should and shouldn't do?

Well... If you have an opinion about that. Sexual harassment is about

sexual advances or sexual words.

In other words, if two people want to go out on a date and they're co -workers,

they can go out on a date. That's not sexual harassment.

Unless, of course, there's some kind of rule that the employer has.

But sexual harassment is severe or it's pervasive. Or it's both severe and

pervasive, although it doesn't have to be both. So, again, it's about something

that is unwelcome.

Now, there are some bosses who they think, okay, well, I can do it. She's my

girl or she works for me. Okay, those days are gone.

She's not your girl.

She's your employee.

She wants to do her job.

Don't put her in that situation.

What do you do to relax?

Do you ever relax?

Of all the people I've interviewed, you're the one who I'm sitting there

it's almost like everything's like, we're like, what do you, all you do is

I'm, but that's.

That's what I love to do.

I am relaxed.

Work is fun. I am not relaxed if I can't be working.

That's just the opposite. Do you binge watch TV shows? Are you reading a book?

Okay, I admit, I confess to loving Saturday Night Live. Okay.

So you're free from 11 .30 to 1 in the morning.

Sometimes. Sometimes.

Or see a little bit the next day.

You know, I try not to make commitments to social events because there are

always emergencies for clients and new cases and new issues, and I like to be

there for my clients. Work is enjoyable for you. You know, it's my duty.

Even if I didn't enjoy it, I would do it because I feel privileged to be able to

be an attorney and, you know, help others to rise up and seek justice and

justice.

So this is what I'm on this earth to do, and I feel very privileged to be able

to do it. I'll do it.

for the rest of my life and from the great beyond, if it's possible to do it

from there as well, if there is a great beyond. I want to say, as someone who

has sisters and I have a wife and I've got daughters, I want to say, you know,

the women of the world, the women of the world are very lucky to have you as

their champion. Thank you so much, Mark. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

The Netflix documentary about Gloria Allred's life and career is called

Allred. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.