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Hello, I'm Alec Baldwin. Tonight, a conversation with Kim Kardashian West,

star of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, has become a one -woman business

empire, in large part due to her unparalleled status on social media and

multi -million dollar company, KKW Beauty.

Tonight, we'll explore her place in American culture, her marriage to Kanye

West, and how life has changed with the arrival of her three children. We're

glad you've joined us. A conversation with Kim Kardashian West coming up right

now.

I mean, I think that it serves us to say that I have known you a little bit for

a while. Yeah. And my daughter, Ireland, was very friendly with your half

-sisters when they, the girls, when they were little.

Yes. Once upon a time. They're not little anymore.

Yeah. I actually think I have a picture of all of us.

I should find this on Halloween. I want that picture.

And I was a mouse, I remember.

And I was living with my mom. I moved back in with her. I tend to do that

sometimes. The younger, the better, I think, to justify the mouse costume.

Yes. You're not mouse material now.

No, I always dress up.

It was a juicy sweatsuit, and I just put little ears because I was... It was a

juicy mouse costume.

Yeah, I was too cool to dress up at that point.

I don't know if you remember this, but I remember an interview at some event in

L .A. We were at some party after...

The Emmys or something. I saw you at the valet and I said to you, when are you

going to get into the movie business?

I said, you're beautiful on the level that you should be in the movie

Actually, I do remember this. Remember that at the valet parking? I do remember

this. I was kind of laying it on you a little thick. I was like, you know, tick

tock. What are you waiting for? You know, go do that.

Now, obviously, you had this robbery in Paris, which was how long ago? When did

that happen?

Two years ago. Two years ago.

One of the things I think about is you are such a child of Southern California.

Yeah. Your dad, a famous lawyer there, your family raised there, you live

and obviously what happened two years ago is not a good advertisement for you

go move to Paris.

But why do you still live in L .A. when obviously you can live anywhere?

I know you probably have a lot of homes, different places, but why don't you

live somewhere else and maybe have a little more privacy there?

I have had thoughts, I'd say, in the last two years. My life has definitely

changed a lot in the last two years from that experience and just wanting more

privacy. In the last three months, I feel like I've come out of my shell a

little bit more back to who I was. I felt like I, for a good year, I almost

myself. What do you mean by that?

I was always, never depressed.

but just didn't want to, wasn't motivated to get up and work like I used

Yeah, it like shook me. Is there a part of you that you think to yourself, you

know, I brought this on myself to a degree? Oh, absolutely. Not robbery, but

attain this level where sometimes, never healthy, never right, you become a

target. Absolutely.

And just, I mean, I'm totally a realist, so I know.

You post on social media, your locations, your jewelry, your bags, what

doing, where you're going, your cars, your stuff. You know, I would always

about my stuff.

I measured.

There was a lot of me that measured who I was by how much I had.

That was just, I thought, oh, I'm worth so much. Yeah. And so that changed in

me. And that needed to change in me. So I'm.

grateful for the experience. And even though it was horrific and I wouldn't

it upon anyone, it really did deeply change me to where now I feel like I can

get back to myself. I can put on makeup and heal. Like I was literally, my mom

had to come over and say, will you get out of bed? Will you put on something

else other than sweat? Put on a little bit of makeup. Feel like yourself again.

Is the word scared?

I was so scared for anyone to know where I was.

Like if I went to a restaurant, I thought, okay, they're going to post a

of me online, know that I'm at this restaurant, know that my home's open,

that they could go and maybe rob my home or rob this or know I'm here. I always

had that thought in my mind of just danger.

I never thought about anything scary before until then. I felt like I

was living in a bubble, and that opened me up.

Just so much. But aren't you in a bubble? I mean, like when that happened,

there some breach in what you normally do?

How was that weird or how was that different?

Well, I lived my life differently the way that my security was set up. I

have security 24 -7. I didn't have security outside of my hotel room. Now

life is security outside of our house at all times.

a few security when I travel, always 24 -7 outside my door.

I just move totally differently now.

I never thought of that where, like, on social media, there are images and

there's a story that's told, which basically says, I'm in this building

here's the valise full of Harry Winston I'm carrying with me. Absolutely. What

an invitation to disaster.

I even was so open to say, I remember I posted a video, all my sisters and all

my friends are leaving. I'm here by myself. I don't feel like going out. I'm

going to let them go.

I mean, I was even that open.

And, you know, reading the testimony from the robbers and seeing they had

tracked me for two years and how they followed me and them admitting that it

on social media really shook things up for me and how I move now. I'll only

if it's after the fact.

I always post, if I want to post something, I'll video it, save it, and

when I leave.

And now marriage, I've been married a couple times, and marriage is an

institution where you, in the best of times, you're cooperating with someone

you are like -minded and you're trying to work as a team.

And what's Kim Kardashian's secret as to how she has...

found a way to to make her husband the cooperative team player i'm sure he is

home that he might not be on the set of the late night tv show um

you know what i let him be who he wants to be i let him

have his own views and opinions even if they're different than mine um i grew up

in a household where you know bruce is my stepdad had one political view and

know Maybe my real father had a different political view or my mom. And

just always talk about it and be really open about it. And it was always okay to

have different views.

And so I think it's just having an open mind and letting, for me, I love to let

my husband be who he is.

Definitely have conversations if I don't understand something in private.

And talk about that. And, you know, it goes the same with him and me. It seems

to me that it's not a question of you being the opposite of him.

It's a question of he's more public in a partisan sense.

And you're not.

I mean, a lot of the biggest stars and the greatest stars.

run their offense, so to speak, by muting all that stuff and say, I'm going

leave that out. They're issue -oriented. This causes they support most of them

very uncontroversial. That seems to be the choice you made. Is that right?

I do.

I wasn't really into politics as much until I...

I think more recently. And even so, I'm not so into politics. I'll find

something that I believe in. And I figured out how to use my voice in that

But as far as when it does come to my business, I don't. To me, it's all very

separate. You have to keep that separate. I did not do that.

Yeah. Neither does my husband.

Look who came to town. Look, the diva came late again. Well, guess what we've

been doing?

What?

Answering your phone calls.

And I just think it's rude that mom would, first of all, not. Drop you like

that. And now she's not even answering the phone. That she's not even going to

take on her responsibility.

I haven't talked to her all day. What do I do? Well, why don't you give Chloe

and I each 5 % and we'll. And we'll be your manager.

You start a reality show that eventually becomes the reality show.

you know catapults you is that cliche to become this internationally famous

person and uh is it safe to say that even maybe early on were you like

in your home going okay we can stop this now like was there ever a time you

thought okay i've a year of it two years because season what now yeah season 16

16 yeah did you ever imagine no 16 no but what's so funny is you can go back

and courtney

has been on camera at our season premiere.

And I think Ryan Seacrest or someone asked, so what do you see for you in the

future? And Courtney said, well, season 16, Kylie's going to get married or have

a baby. Or she said something that has so come through.

And it's so crazy to look back at those moments. But I mean, we thought, OK,

who's going to watch this?

We think we're funny. We think we're entertaining.

Who was the friend of your mother that said?

Kathy Lee Gifford. Kathy Lee Gifford. You guys should have a camera in here

shoot this.

Yeah. And so we did. We got one. And it hasn't left.

And it's honestly, it's so much fun. I get to work with my family every single

day. I get to be home, see my kids more.

Couldn't have dreamed of a better job. Had no clue it would last this long. We

thought maybe we'd be lucky to get a season two.

I think what's crazy about the show is it's really, at the beginning, we wanted

it so badly.

Fame or, you know, whatever comes along with that. And then now I think the show

has really, like, proven that we are just this normal family.

Like, it was, we started off one way and we're kind of... Do you think you're a

normal family?

I really do. I really think, as crazy as that sounds, I really think we are

normal. Well, I wouldn't say crazy is the word. It's a stretch, I would say.

Yeah. It's a stretch.

If the net worth of The Average Family is in a couple of billion dollars, then

sure. Okay. I mean, I will say no sitcom writer could have written

out what our reality has been.

But do you think it's given you a chance on camera, on the show, or otherwise in

your public life to say the things you want to say and do what you want to do?

Is there a creative expression you want to have?

Yes, I think this season really dig into my...

passion for criminal justice reform. We're going to get to that.

The mass incarceration thing.

Past episodes, just even Bruce's transition to Caitlin opened up a lot of

Do you mind if I ask you about that? Not at all. Okay, yeah. You can really ask

me anything.

I'll tell you if I...

Okay, I'll ask you anything.

Yeah, ask me anything.

No, but I want to get back to this idea that, you know, I mean, they say to Mick

Jagger or somebody in the beginning, they say, how long do you think this is

going to last? He says, I can't imagine us doing this off to a 30.

Yeah. You know, and now he's 75 years old, you know.

Did you have a sense when you got to season four or five or six that it was

limitless and it could keep going?

Limitless. And you wanted it to keep going?

Yes. And what about the, what about, I'm not going to say.

The integration of it, because the first thing that comes to mind when I think

about your show and any show like that is that in some sense, the producers of

the show and the creators of the show, certainly early on, want to keep the

costs low. Reality shows are known for being like lower cost until, of course,

then they blow up and become these big things.

Well, every season we'll all sit down, each family member.

separately and then a group session with all the producers.

And we just talk and tell them what we're doing. I have this photo shoot on

day. Hey, I'm going to DC here. I'm doing this. Well, why are you going to

What are you doing? What can we follow?

And we kind of just wing it, but we have an idea of what our schedules

are. And we, like the best example I can say is Bruce's transition to Caitlin's

because we weren't sure.

When the timing was and when that was happening and what, you know, Caitlin

wanted to reveal about her life and what she was going to share. And, you know,

we ended up filming a lot and waiting until the right time that everyone was

comfortable to share that information.

And I believe that was super powerful to so many people that like as we feel

like we're winging it.

And we don't know what to expect, how to communicate, what's going on, the

feelings, the emotions, and it's all coming out.

We have a rule that we kind of film everything as much as possible. Who

the rules?

We kind of all did as a family at the beginning. And apropos of that, why does

everybody think you're the oldest?

Maybe because I'm the boss.

Are you the boss?

I feel like I am. You're the dead mother.

I feel like I am. Me and my mom together really, yeah, we really just kind

of knew what we wanted, have our vision, go for it.

You and your mother are Lennon and McCartney.

Yeah. And the other two are Ringo and George.

But this is something that you took control of. I really wanted it.

No one else.

cared or knew and i don't know why i always since i was 11 12 years old and i

watched the real world was your dad alive not when we started your dad right

your dad passed away when you were how old 22 no yeah i thought it was much

younger no well if you don't mind what memories do you have of him everything i

mean he was the best dad so i had the best childhood the best experiences

Just the back. And your mother, after a period of time, became very close with

him and they were friends. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was just maybe like two

years, like during whole OJ trial where they didn't speak, like on opposite

sides. And then after that, they were like, we're not going to, we're not

to go through this. We're not going to act like this. We're close. We're a

family. No matter what.

Collaborative divorce is the way to go. Yeah.

Take my word for it.

But the, but what do you remember about him?

He was so hardworking, so funny, always, like, dancing down the hallway, playing

jokes on everyone, always did our homework with us. When you guys were a

with your mom, you didn't live in the Valley.

No. We lived in Beverly Hills, and then my dad moved to the Valley when I was

16. And my mom and Bruce moved there in 1995.

Like, way before Calabasas was popular. At that time, it was like, why are you

moving to Calabasas? That's in the middle of nowhere.

Well, I remember that Ireland went to school with Kendall.

Caitlin, who was Bruce then, was their coach at the school, their track coach,

oddly enough.

And on more than a few occasions, I would pull up behind a big SUV with a

license plate, and that would get one of the most famous athletes in American

history.

And he would shake my hand. And I say this not with any judgment.

When I knew him and he was married to Chris and they had a family, he brought

the girls to school. There wasn't a drop of Caitlyn in him when I knew him. Not

a drop. He shook my hand. I'm off to the golf course with Arnold.

And I'm flying down to San Antonio and giving a speech. She was all speeches

and, you know, motivational stuff. He was doing his work, his career.

And so when that happened, I was like.

What? Not that I had any judgment of that. I thought, I didn't see any of

coming. Yeah.

Nothing. Nothing. You feel the same way?

Absolutely. I found out when I was maybe 25.

I had walked in on Caitlin. My mom was out of town, and I walked in on Caitlin,

all dressed up. It was Bruce, but dressed up as a woman in the garage at

mom's house.

And I ran in, packed a bag so fast, shaking, and ran out and called Courtney

and said, I have to come spend the weekend with you.

And I was hysterically crying.

And she just was like, what is it? Did you catch Bruce cheating? And I was

I wish. I don't know what I just saw. I don't know what. I wish.

I ran out, didn't come home for the weekend.

And when you next had the opportunity to discuss it with her, him slash her or

your mother if you don't mind my asking what was the dialogue about that well uh

it was bruce at the time so he had called me and said one day i'll sit down

i'll explain this all to you but until then please don't tell a soul and please

don't tell your mother she'll kill me and i but didn't she know

i had no idea no you know i had no idea and so i thought okay if i tell her i'm

gonna break up their marriage and my two little sisters aren't gonna have you

know their dad around so i better keep my mouth shut and i didn't say a word

know so do you are you gonna fully become a woman um because you never told

that but i've heard it it's been like the rumor

So you're hesitating. I see myself in the future that way.

But one of the things is in stories about him, prior wives said they knew.

Yeah, I think what I gathered was he had told my mom. Did my mom know this?

No. But he had told my mom.

She said they were.

They were skiing on a ski lift at a charity ski tournament that he was in.

And they go up and he says, you know, I took, they just started dating. And he

says, I took hormones, you know, whenever. I don't even know when. And

like, oh, like thinking like steroids, you know, Olympics, whatever. She didn't

know. Like, okay.

And then he goes, all right, let's go off this jump. And, like, you know, gets

off. That's a load off my mind. I told him about the hormones. He tells his

therapist. Yeah. And she just didn't really, you know. I think, you know, he

four kids. She had four kids. Did he probably tell her what, you know.

He wanted to tell her no. Did people see what they wanted to hear? Did he hear

what she wanted to hear? No. I think they kind of avoided it.

She was so in love with him.

She didn't think anything would be an issue in their relationship. Did she

dream that he would, you know, transition into a woman?

I don't think that was ever something she would have dreamed in a billion

That's why I love that we did share our story on our show because it gave people

an understanding that you can have.

every different emotion, and that's okay.

And it's, you know, at the end of the day, we just want Caitlin to be happy

be herself.

I think for most people, and this is an opinion, I don't have any empirical

research for this, but for most people, that to get married once and then you

get married again, you're not reckless or careless about it. The more, you've

been married three times, and each time you get married, it's more precious.

You're sitting there going, I need this to work. I can't go through another

divorce. I don't want to strike out again.

We don't go into these things predicting failure or risking failure. We want it

to work.

And so, I mean, I got married again. I get very cynical about that. But then I

think to myself, I'm the luckiest person in the world.

Where did you meet him?

Kanye, I met him in L .A.

Jimmy Kimmel was doing a TV show with him.

And they had me be the actress.

that Kanye begged to get me to be the actress for this show so he could meet

And that's where you met him? Yeah. On the set of the show? A pilot, yeah.

And were you inclined to have a deep, committed relationship with somebody

you loved? Were you like the classic, no, please, don't? I was really

by him, and he's very charming, so I...

I think you bring out the charm in a lot of men quite frankly, but go ahead.

But I had a boyfriend at the time. Oh, you did? So, yeah, so we didn't really

there, but we connected and kind of were cool. What was your boyfriend at the

time missing?

You eventually fired him, to use your husband's favorite president's term.

He fired you, fired him. What was he missing?

We were young.

The reason you were young. I mean, the boyfriend, I mean, we were together a

years, but, you know, he was young, we were young.

Your mother was one of the first guests on my podcast.

Really? Yeah.

Chris came on my podcast here in the city, I asked her, and wanted to talk

you guys and your family and your life.

And she said something which was, you know, her response then, this was a few

years ago, six or seven years ago.

She said, you know...

People will make these judgments about my family and my girls and everything.

But all of them are independent businesswomen who don't need to rely on

for money.

They've all made their own money. She goes, that was important to me.

And I thought to myself, do you ever get to the point where you're like, I don't

want to say how much money do you need.

I think about that a lot. You do? I do.

Because. How it affects your kid.

How it affects my kids. I think about it with my children all the time.

Kanye and I always say if we had what we have now in the bank versus billions in

the bank, our lives really wouldn't be that much different. So how much do you

need?

That's definitely not Kanye's goal ever is financial goals. I'd say I was a

little bit more like that was such a priority for me early on in my career.

just I would do anything and every offer that would really come in financially.

for whether it was a shoe product or a food product or whatever I was

endorsing.

And it did teach me a lot along the way. Now it's really what I am

authentically doing, and I've learned so much about what I want to spend my time

doing.

So money isn't my motivation like it used to be.

which I love being in that place and in that just head space.

I'm too old to be interviewing you in one sense, because I have all these

references. But do the Kardashian sisters still, like, hang out together?

it's like a scene from, like, Bye Bye Birdie. You're all in your pajamas, and

you've got your feet up in the air, and you're laying on a bed, and you're

having your snacks and your drinks, and what is now your mom and her husband?

But is it the same, the essence of it? I think we're even closer.

Like, our job filming together...

even if we're in a fight, forces us to be together. To deal. Yeah.

And it literally is like therapy. You have to deal.

We never, I mean, obviously with editing, they'll figure it out, but we

like to end an episode on a bad note. How much do the women in your family,

their husbands, are in the show currently?

Or is that something that...

On an as -needed basis. Yeah, it varies. I mean, depending on what Kanye's

doing, if he wants to show that, you know, to the world, he'll be on. But no

is obligated to be on. He'll do a little bit of that. Yeah, it's just if, you

know, whatever works.

And you decide how much that is pushed.

I mean, Kanye and I decided as a family.

Right, but you don't have exactly the same deal. Can we get Kanye on for the

Christmas special?

Yeah, no, no.

But I also think, like, being with a man like Kanye...

You kind of also have to not relearn, but I guess learn how to be a little bit

not so, you know, independent.

Because I've always been so independent and working and this is my schedule.

And, you know, when you get married and you have a husband that has their career

and then you have kids and your independence has, you have to like let

little bit. My wife has played that card with me. Yeah.

And I've had to learn that being with a man like Kanye. But you married a man

who's extraordinarily successful.

I don't want to get vulgar about it, but you come to the marriage with your own

pile. Yeah. And do you sit there and go, God, I thought that guy at the surf

shop was cute, whatever.

Did you ever think you could marry a civilian who was nothing and had nothing

and was totally out of love?

Or do you just realize that the orbit you're in, you're going to meet some

pretty stellar people? I mean, I didn't really care. I thought, I mean, I felt

like I did date some...

Some normal people.

Now, let me get this straight here.

Do you think Alice Johnson would still be in prison if your husband wasn't a

Trump supporter?

I do believe she would still be in prison. Alice and I spoke about this. We

spoke on the phone yesterday.

And we spoke about this a few times. She always says, Alice always

says, if it wasn't for Kanye.

speaking up in support of Trump, then she would still be in jail. Yeah, they

might have returned your phone call.

You called Ivanka first. I called Ivanka first. That was the beachhead there.

Yeah. And I just felt really passionate about Alice and just thought it was so

unfair. And I felt like Ivanka, I was hoping that she would hear me out,

understand me.

And she did and recommended I speak to her husband.

And he heard me out.

Now, for people who don't know the story, she's from Tennessee and she's in

a ridiculous,

stiff sentence.

Yeah, life without the possibility of parole.

She was the phone mule.

And so she didn't know who, she didn't know how much, what kind of drugs, she

didn't know anything. She just was the person that would pick up the phone.

And I listened to an FBI wiretap nest in the garment district to

research a film. And we went there and there were these tapes and there's all

codes for weed and drugs.

She had to say one sentence, some weird sentence.

And and that was it. That was her job. Life in prison. Life in prison. No prior

offenses. But I just felt sympathy for her. And I felt like she's a mom.

She her son died, divorced, lost her job.

She needed to make money. It could have been anybody.

Anybody can get caught up in a situation like that. And if I knew that I had the

power to change her life, I was going to try.

And where is your awareness of her? Where is it in the timeline with the

robbery?

A year and a half after? After. So in the wake of the Paris robbery, you have

bit of a sympathy for people who are wrongly incarcerated.

Yeah. Even when I was having to look at the papers of the faces of the men that

tied me up, held, you know, did all of that to me, I still felt

like...

i'm so glad that they confessed and they have their written confessions because

they had masks not like it would be so hard for me unless i went with height

voices like that's all i could the average person is not a good witness

emotional yeah and it and it was but it made me also feel for people because i

knew i was being very cautious and very careful in identifying you know my

situation

But I felt like so many people, you can just say they want to get the job done

and they'll just pick anyone. And I went in it like I'm not going to be that

person. You were speaking about this and in other things that we researched and

watched you talk about this.

You're speaking in a way that seems relatively unfamiliar to you to causes

issues and mass incarceration, if you want to append some label to it.

And do you find this is where you're headed, which is that the new you,

to the robbery or no, as a mom or no, as a wife or whatever is deepening your

feelings about life and what our obligations are, do you find this what's

happening to you as you're rowing your ship in another direction?

Absolutely. Yeah, I think I just want to continue doing what I'm doing. I feel

like I have a voice.

They're listening.

We're making, you know, positive things happen. I'm very focused.

What's the next move, do you think, or what are you contemplating?

I mean, the bigger goal is to get these bills passed that really change the laws

to, you know, make the distinction between, you know, crack and cocaine

completely separate.

Start getting people out. Fairer sentencing. Yeah. I think sentencing

bail reform. I mean, there's so much. Once you start getting into it and you

start really seeing how messed up the system is, you hear this case and this

case. I mean, I basically have a team of attorneys headed by one girl that I

fund cases that I'm really passionate about. So you're putting up your own

money? Yeah.

So, you know, I'm working on this guy right now that life.

for marijuana and a half a gram of cocaine.

I mean, like ridiculous, ridiculous sentences.

And you have people, you have a group of people who are counseling you and

advising you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it goes with the feeling. So, I mean, I

letters all day long from prison and hear people's stories. But I felt like

Alice Johnson found me. You know, like I connected with her. So I really do have

to connect.

Your children who are how old now?

Five. My daughter's five. My son is two and a half.

And my little baby girl is nine months.

What would you like to see your kids enjoy

that you've enjoyed?

And what would you like to see them avoid that you wish you were able to

Going back to your own childhood with your dad and your family. What's in this

life, and you're still very young, but you've had a pretty full life. I've had

very full life. Pretty big life.

I feel that.

I want my kids to have the childhood that I had. To me, it was magical. It

perfect.

Even when my parents weren't together, everyone was so nice and friendly and

never saw them fight, had... A loving home.

Such a loving home.

Mom always cooking.

Tennis on the weekend. Swimming. I mean, just literally your most perfect

childhood. And I do think that me and my sisters and my brother do such a good

job at having our kids have such a normal life.

Like, they all are best friends. They all really enjoy. Hang out with your

nieces and nephews. Yeah. As a Kardashian.

And it's so normal and so fun. Despite, like, what you see and all the, like,

glitz, we know that if all else fails, we have each other and nothing really

matters. And I think knowing that is the best secure feeling in the world. I

want my kids to have confidence. I mean, Kanye's their dad, so I think they'll

have a little bit of confidence.

I'm sure he'll...

instill all of that in them i mean it's just all the love that i felt i want

them to have and and feel that from both of their parents and they do they have

a great great life and and they know that they're lucky and blessed and

happy kids you know i want to ask you very quickly um because you are a part

a famous family i'm going to say a name and you tell me your your instant word

to describe them then i'm going to stay there well i'll leave it to you and then

i'll say uh What each of them would say about you if they were here. Okay.

If you would be willing to venture putting words in their mouth. So I'm

say Courtney.

Like the mom.

The caretaker.

Okay. Actually, Chloe's more of a caretaker. I don't know why I said that

Courtney.

Courtney is... Are you guys just a whole bouquet of caretakers?

Yeah, we really are. Chloe's really, really like the mama bear.

Right.

Courtney is the most practical one.

She's level -headed.

Yeah. She seems that way.

When I see the three of you on TV, Courtney's the one who looks at them.

Very organic and earthy and very gluten -free.

Well, you know. Then her kids run to my house and stuff their face.

Now, what do each of them say about you?

They would probably say that I am, like, very business -driven, maybe

not in, like, the best sense, more that I put that sometimes before other

things.

I think they would say I'm funny.

I don't get credit for being funny, but I am. Your mom?

My mom, just the best. Like, there's no other words to describe her besides,

like, the best human being.

On the planet.

Your skin's great.

Kim,

you bring your own. Yeah. So I'm having Paxi take my pick so I could rest my

hand. Oh, my God.

Hey, guys. So tomorrow I am launching my Valentine's Day candy, Kamoji Hearts

perfume. Check it out.

What are you going to do? Take Paxi with you wherever you go?

Mm -hmm.

That is crazy.

Now, I'm not going to use any figures here. In our research, we have figures

here. But I'm not going to use any figures because if I get it wrong, if I

your net worth, if I say a number, I'm either say too much or I say too little

and I offend you. You're worth far more than that.

But with you having an extraordinarily successful business operation.

And did you find that in... Two things. Did you find that in order to achieve

that, you needed to surround yourself with the right people?

I definitely feel lucky, but I've learned so much along the way. Right.

I have... And you made it your business to learn.

Yeah. I think you really have to dive in and see what went wrong. You want to

know why.

And my mom is the same way. So we will take it and...

not like harp on it or people can spend so much time worrying about what went

wrong that you don't like dive into the new project and really figure out how to

fix it and flip it so we've done i'm really proud of my mom because she

has figured that out for us and figured out i mean but the bottom line is

everyone asks me about business or how do you do this or how do you and it's

have to get up and work like i am not too proud to if this didn't work out

work at a clothing store, whatever I love.

I'm not too proud to do that. So I see so many of my friends grew up really

privileged, and I have really successful friends who have rolled their sleeves

up, figured out the family business if they wanted to, and that's the key. I

mean, I never really drank, so I never really partied. I feel like that was a

big...

factor in my business and getting up on time and being really respectful of

people's time.

That's always been a big thing for me.

Even Kendall and Kylie, I would ask them all the time or check in when they

started modeling and knowing that I know people in the business, like don't be

on your phone too much, you know, pay attention, be on time, be present.

At the end of the day, people will hire you back if they like working with you

and if you're a professional and easy to work with.

And I think me and my sisters really pride ourselves on being that.

Has your definition of success changed?

It used to be all about me. It used to be all about me. How much could I make?

Where can I go? What am I wearing? What am I driving? What are we doing today?

That, yeah. Team.

Yeah. And now it's, you know, what's on the kids' schedules?

What's my husband doing?

Can I make you happy? Can I cook this? Can I, you know, it's just a different

life.

And I'm happy in that.

I used to, we'd get our hair and makeup done filming.

And when we'd be done, I was like, what is the hottest restaurant in Hollywood?

Where can I go? Where can I be seen? Who's there? What are they doing? Oh my

God, I need, it's my car wash.

Yeah. And now I'd say most of, it started with Kanye because he lived a

you know, his work life is very public. But then like when he was off, he was

very private. And I was, so everything had to be public for me back then.

And so I had to.

kind of flip it and i now it's like on my time off i'm like where are the

locations that i could go eat go on vacation where no one will see it where

just all i want is privacy and i never thought i'd ever be to that point not in

the annoying way like i get it you know i'm in the business it comes with the

territory there's cameras around i get that and i'm never that i hate

You know, I hate my fame.

I don't. I love it. You know, everything that's come with it, the good and the

bad, I love it. You know, and I'm happy with how my life has turned out and what

I've accomplished.

The good and the bad, I've learned from it all. You know, what's interesting to

me is I would never rule out that I could be jealous of Kanye West.

I didn't realize how much I could be jealous of Kanye. You said the cooking

thing. When you threw the cooking thing on the table, I thought.

I'm so jealous. But you know what?

That's really cute.

But I you also get like a little caught up because now I'm like, oh, we have our

chefs. We have this. I have to check myself and say, OK, well, he did fall in

love with the Kim that was cooking and always around the house. And I grew up.

never had chefs growing up. I never saw any of that. So it was always my mom in

the kitchen. And I want my kids to see that. So I've made a promise.

To myself and my husband, I'm going to cook more.

Thank you. Thank you. It's so good to see you.

Alice Johnson was serving a life sentence for a first -time drug offense

past summer. She was released from prison after almost 22 years, thanks

to Kim Kardashian's efforts on her behalf.

Now we leave you tonight with a story from earlier in the show as animated by

acclaimed illustrator Stephen Brodner.

Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.

Like when you can hire people to do things for you, to me, I always want

valet. Someone who's going to really take the right care of my clothes.

Yeah. You know, Kanye has figured out his, I've never seen anything like it.

He'll have someone fly. If we're on vacation, anywhere he goes, someone fly

before with all of the toiletries, bathroom products, everything closed.

Stage. All set up. So we land.

It's all there. We don't have to unpack bags.

We leave. They go in. They pack it and clean it all up.

Bring it home. I mean, you don't have to lift a finger. When I met him and I

went on my first vacation with him, I was like, I've never seen anything like

this before.

Now I'm not jealous of Kanye because he's just doing it all too well.

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