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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,197 My name is Amanda Taylor 2 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,117 and I am the daughter of a killer. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,917 When my mother died, I found these newspaper clippings 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:23,917 among her things 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,557 of the unsolved Cape Rock murders 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,157 of Judith Donnelly and Susan Mead. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,717 I believe that she thinks 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,037 that my father murdered these girls too. 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,077 My book will expose the truth. 10 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:36,637 Beth! 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,037 What are you doing here? 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,037 Police are at our house. We don't know what's happening. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,157 -Can you... can you please come? -Of course, of course. 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,557 You hear me? Fuckin' go! 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,357 You did it! I know you fucking did it! 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,877 I don't know why she stopped thinking 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,237 her father was the killer 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,917 and started imagining it was me. 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,640 They are going to charge you with this. 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,917 Ohh, where... where are you going? 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,317 Ohh, where... where are you going? 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,277 WOMAN ON PHONE: I'm ringing on behalf of Principal Thorne. 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,077 A sensitive issue has come up. 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,037 I'll probably go to my own grave 25 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,477 still not knowing who killed my sister. 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,917 Who's your boyfriend? 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,920 He owns Sink. The club? 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,117 -How is your mother? -She's good. 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,757 She says hello. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,917 I took that photo. 31 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,357 I took another one just before that 32 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,997 while she was still on a video call. 33 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,917 And I saw it. 34 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Who the fuck is John? 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,997 John, uh, hi, it's Amanda Taylor. 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,557 Look, after our abrupt exchange, 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,437 I'm hoping that if I explain a few more things about the book, 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,997 then you'll reconsider talking with me. 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,277 Just... just so you know, 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,597 I use an encrypted platform, 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,277 so our conversation, 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,360 it... it would just be completely private. 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,997 Every Tom, Dick and Harry was called John back then. 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Why are you looking for a John? 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,477 Is he a possible suspect? 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,997 No, not without a confirmed surname. 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,720 And no comment. 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,917 No comment? 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,757 No comment? 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,237 Beth, we must remember 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,397 that you are a witness for the prosecution. 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,917 And I'll fill you in after your testimony. 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,080 Oh. 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,477 You're a real bore, you know that? 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,917 Much as it pains me to be less than scintillating, 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,917 I'm not gonna compromise the case 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,080 by giving away the game plan, alright? 58 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,800 Excuse me. 59 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,117 Sorry. 60 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,677 -Oh, my God. -One sec. 61 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:52,917 -Oh. -It's OK. 62 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,397 -Sorry. -All good. 63 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,600 One second. 64 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,917 Thank you. 65 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,037 -There you go. -Thank you. 66 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,517 -I'm so sorry. Thank you. -All good. 67 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,957 Oh, jeez. 68 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,237 -Um... -Hold on. 69 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,637 -Ahhh! -Here we go. 70 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,877 -Look, um... -Oh, no! 71 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,117 ...if you want, I-I... I can carry some of this for you. 72 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,757 Yeah, you gonna help me carry this 73 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:18,080 23km to my house? 74 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,040 Oh, Christ. 75 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,557 -OK. -Um... 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,997 Yeah. Uh... 77 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,797 Do you... Do you... Do you mind? 78 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,640 -No, no, no. -Sorry. -I'm just... -It's OK. 79 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,477 -I'm struggling here. -Let me get this one here. 80 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,357 OK. 81 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,837 I do just live around the corner. 82 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,960 I was just testing your good Samaritan boundaries. 83 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,877 Do you know what? Leave it, I think. 84 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,957 You think? 85 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,120 Well, maybe, I don't know. You got it now. 86 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,677 I mean, 23km, it's, like, 87 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,477 just outside of my good Samaritan range. 88 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,917 Fair. 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,077 I mean, everyone's got a limit. 90 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 -I'm Andrew, by the way. -Leah. 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,397 So, yeah, we're working with this huge Japanese artist. 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,637 -Oh, wow. -Yeah. 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:05:59,918 So you're, uh, you're an exhibitionist? 94 00:06:00,001 --> 00:06:01,917 So you're, uh, you're an exhibitionist? 95 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,637 Ha-ha. 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,037 Um, look, thank you for rescuing my... 97 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,677 Fucking hell. 98 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,917 Fucking hell! 99 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,917 And to fucking leave it on the street. 100 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,637 And it was meant to come assembled! 101 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,477 Oh, my God! The fuck! 102 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,917 Um... 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,917 Great. 104 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,917 Uh, should I... 105 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,317 ...bring it in or... 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Um... 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,317 -Oh, my goodness. -Wow. 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,920 What is it, a fold-up house? 109 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,677 No, it's a Flurgen. 110 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,517 -Oh, of course. -Yeah. Right. In here. 111 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,157 Who doesn't need a Flurgen, right? 112 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,917 -Come on in. -Yeah. 113 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,597 Um, I'd say here. 114 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,597 Oh, wow. 115 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,157 So you don't live in a garage. This is good. 116 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,917 In a garage, no. 117 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,277 -Yeah. -In a garage? 118 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,237 No, well, it's not even that. It's my house. 119 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,517 It's nice, right? I, um... 120 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,037 I bought it before my accident, actually, 121 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,997 and I love it so much, I had it adapted. 122 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,477 -Anyway, thank you. -It's, um... 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,917 -Thank you for doing that. -My pleasure. 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,117 And thank you for rescuing my groceries. 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,917 No, all good, that was so much heavier 126 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,917 No, all good, that was so much heavier 127 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,917 than I thought it was gonna be when I offered, so... 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,320 -Nice to meet you. -You too. 129 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Hey, um... 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,917 If you want, I... 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,237 This is nothing suss, but I... 132 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,917 I mean, I-I can come back after court 133 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,397 and help you put this... 134 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,397 After what? 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,917 After court. 136 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,877 But I am... I'm not in court. I'm... 137 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,917 Uh-huh. 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,917 I'm on a... I'm on a... I'm on a jury. 139 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,917 -Oh, OK, yeah. -Yeah, I'm a... I'm a... 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,360 ...jury person. 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,237 Seriously, I'm... 142 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,597 ...I'm... I'm happy to help 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,757 and it's... it's literally on my way through. 144 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,197 Seriously, though, I can get someone to help me. 145 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,597 It's fine. I can get an odd-jobber... 146 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,277 What, you're turning down a professional musician 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,917 for, like, a... like a carpenter or something? 148 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,397 I mean, are you nuts? 149 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,917 I'm gonna give you my number, 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,317 and you have a think, and if you think it's a good idea, 151 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,717 then you can give me a text. 152 00:07:59,800 --> 00:07:59,918 -Um... -Or not. 153 00:08:00,001 --> 00:08:01,240 -Um... -Or not. 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,917 -I mean, sure. -Yeah? 155 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,120 OK. 156 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,237 Who said that? 157 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,917 Would you like to repeat what you just said? 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,917 The Crusaders should have done a better job 159 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,117 and killed all the terrorists. 160 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,917 The Crusaders should have done a better job 161 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,517 and killed all the terrorists. 162 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,397 OK. 163 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,517 But from the Muslims' perspective, 164 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,357 it was the Christians who were the terrorists, right? 165 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,917 What's fascinating about history 166 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,237 is that you can change narratives 167 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,917 based on your perspective. 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,277 I'll give you an example. 169 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,477 For example, in 10... 170 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,557 OK. I'm... 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,440 I'm sorry. 172 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,477 I-I didn't realise it was being filmed 173 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:41,157 and it was gonna cause so much flak. 174 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,157 You asked them to write their Crusade essays 175 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,357 from the point of view of an Islamic child. 176 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,597 No, no, no, no. I gave them... I gave them the option. 177 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,797 I'm a history teacher. I'm trying to do my job. 178 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,997 -Bassam! -It's what I do. What? 179 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,917 Sorry, but... 180 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,037 You've been given your requisite official warnings 181 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,917 and I'm getting pressure from above. 182 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,917 And I'm getting pressure from above. 183 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,040 It's out of my hands now. 184 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,080 You're not serious. 185 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,800 You're serious? 186 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:16,160 Marilyn. 187 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,520 You know me. 188 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,917 I'm also taking into consideration 189 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,237 your absence from school events on Friday afternoons. 190 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,797 No, my timetable was deliberately set out 191 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,797 to include Friday prayers. 192 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,917 Marilyn, you cannot be serious. 193 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,797 Your timetable was also meant to include 194 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,317 sports carnivals, special assemblies, excursions, 195 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,757 anything else that falls on a Friday afternoon. 196 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:39,757 OK. 197 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,277 Look, I don't want to be unreasonable, I don't. 198 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,760 And we both have a worthy outcome to aspire to. 199 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,360 -Which is what? -Salma. 200 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:54,917 If you resign, she can stay on her scholarship 201 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 until she graduates. 202 00:09:58,560 --> 00:09:59,917 It'd be a shame to rob her of access 203 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,917 It'd be a shame to rob her of access 204 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,480 to elite instruments and tutors. 205 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,920 And I will write you a wonderful reference. 206 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,757 You... You're serious? 207 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Yes. 208 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,397 Hey, bro. Bro! 209 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,917 -Hey. It's, uh, Shawn, right? -Yeah, yeah, Shawn. 210 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,117 Yeah. Good to see you. 211 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,917 -I looked you up. -What's that? 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,917 I looked you up. 213 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,237 Oh, you, uh... You mean my old band? 214 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,237 No, no. 215 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,917 ♪ Ha-da-da-da-da 216 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,917 ♪ Puppies! ♪ - Yeah. -Yeah, good job. 217 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,197 Thank you. Thank you. 218 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,197 That jingle must have paid for your house by now. 219 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Uh, absolutely not. 220 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,397 There's no need to feel nervous. 221 00:10:59,480 --> 00:10:59,918 We've gone over everything a dozen times. 222 00:11:00,001 --> 00:11:01,397 We've gone over everything a dozen times. 223 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,437 Are you sure you know everything? 224 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,597 What do you mean? 225 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:06,557 I think there might be a new witness, 226 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,997 some guy named John. 227 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,197 John who? 228 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,997 You need to talk to Louella. 229 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,517 Beth mentioned a Jonathan Myers. 230 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,917 Find out where he is, and we need to talk to him. 231 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,560 Oh, look, look, it's our crime writer. 232 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,917 It's 10 minutes past the cut-off time. Where is she? 233 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Gretel, do you know? 234 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:29,317 Probably been out partying all night. 235 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,917 -She seems the type. -Type? 236 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,917 You mean young and free to do what she likes 237 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:33,917 without other people's judgement? 238 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,237 I'm not judging, I'm just saying. 239 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,837 I mean, I'd do anything to have a night off the kids. 240 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,197 Go dancing, rage. Good luck to her. 241 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,917 Mm. I once danced at Studio 54, back in the '70s. 242 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,157 Wowsers! 243 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,917 Hey, do you watch the cricket? 244 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,277 -What? -Uh, who do you... 245 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,037 What country do you follow in the cricket? 246 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,757 I... I don't, man, but I used to play basketball. 247 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,917 -You play basketball? No? -No. 248 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,917 She's here, everybody, she's here. 249 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:00,677 She's here, everybody, she's here. 250 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,637 Put your things down. We're going straight into court. 251 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,917 OK. Yes, ma'am. 252 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,197 I shouldn't have to remind anybody 253 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,397 that punctuality isn't optional. 254 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,917 But underpants are. 255 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Shh! 256 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,640 Are you OK? 257 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,840 -Hey. -Hi. 258 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 -Oh, after you. -Thank you. 259 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,837 No, no, no, it's... it's a mistake. 260 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,477 Alan. 261 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,120 Sit down. 262 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,117 Trust me, having a sympathetic witness 263 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,917 this early in the trial is really very good for us, 264 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,757 even if it is a prosecution witness. 265 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,917 And it lets the jury see you through her eyes. 266 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:00,077 And it lets the jury see you through her eyes. 267 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Do you see what I mean? 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,997 I don't know. I... 269 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,277 I think it's asking a lot of her. 270 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,917 Beth? 271 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,760 No, Beth will be fine. 272 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,037 Just one thing. 273 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,597 Do not catch her eye when she's in the box 274 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,117 because the jury might see that as collusion. 275 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,597 She's later in the day, anyway. 276 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:26,680 Amanda's ex-boyfriend is up first. 277 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,000 How would you describe Amanda as a person? 278 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,677 She was, uh, very strong-minded. 279 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,800 Very, very direct. 280 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,600 She was, um... 281 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,280 -Uh... -Take your time, Mr... Mr Frazer. 282 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,917 Amanda was a... She was a... 283 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Amanda was a... She was a... 284 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,760 She... Sorry. 285 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,240 Excuse me. Quiet in court. 286 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,917 Please continue. 287 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,157 She was just good. 288 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,840 Thank you. 289 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,397 Can you please tell the court 290 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,677 why your relationship ended? 291 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,917 Uh, the main reason was that, uh, I was worried about her. 292 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,437 I felt like she was playing with fire with this book. 293 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,797 She was obsessed with it, and that's not an exaggeration. 294 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,997 Honestly, I couldn't find a time to talk to her 295 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,717 about anything else other than the book, so we... 296 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,280 ...we... we broke up. 297 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,717 Bullshit. 298 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,797 Did Amanda call you on the night of April 4, 299 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,000 two days before her death? 300 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,160 She did. 301 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 She said that she was scared. 302 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,600 And she wanted me to come down to Cape Rock and stay the night. 303 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,037 And on that phone call, 304 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,797 what specifically did she say 305 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,080 about Mr Chaplin? 306 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,920 She said, "This is the guy who killed those girls." 307 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,757 Objection. Hearsay. 308 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Upheld. 309 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honour. 310 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,877 Mr Frazer, 311 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,517 you told the court that you and Ms Taylor were still close, 312 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,917 is that accurate? 313 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,357 Yeah. 314 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,917 It was never actually a clean break between us. 315 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,677 It was never actually a clean break between us. 316 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,997 We were on and off for a bit, but we just stopped having sex. 317 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,837 But you were still close, is that right? 318 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,920 Yes. 319 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,157 On the night she called you, on April 4, 320 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,637 she asked you to go down and stay with her 321 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,600 for protection, didn't she? 322 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,037 Did you go? 323 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,920 No. 324 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,877 But you just testified to the court 325 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,197 that she told you on the phone 326 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,237 that my client committed two murders, 327 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,477 that she was afraid, 328 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,917 and you still didn't go down and stay with her, 329 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,440 is that right? 330 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,240 No, I didn't. 331 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,917 Mm, that was very cavalier of you, 332 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,197 wasn't it, Mr Frazer, 333 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,917 letting her take her chances 334 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,477 with a murderer on the loose. 335 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,797 No, it's actually not... 336 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,917 No, that's right, it wasn't cavalier, was it? 337 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,197 Because you were not in any way worried 338 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,717 that my client was going to murder anyone, were you? 339 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,277 Well, it's because there had been a break-in at our place 340 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,637 a few months earlier, 341 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,917 and she swore that it had to do with the book, 342 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,917 but later it turned out not to be the case. 343 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,077 So, yeah, I didn't... 344 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,557 I didn't take it as seriously as I should have. 345 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,197 Because you didn't believe she was in any danger 346 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,200 from my client, right? 347 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,319 Yeah, that's correct. 348 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:18,437 Could the witness please be given exhibit 5? 349 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,717 This is Ms Taylor's statement to police 350 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,240 on April 4. 351 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:25,797 Mr Frazer, would you be good enough to read 352 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,079 the highlighted section of Amanda's complaint? 353 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,917 "Mr Chaplin verbally threatened me" 354 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,477 "and chased my car out of the driveway," 355 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,637 "ripping off my side mirror with his hands in a rage." 356 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,917 Is that what Amanda told you on the phone that evening? 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,877 Yes, yes, that's exactly what she told me. 358 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,917 Good, good. 359 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,957 Whose car was she driving on that day? 360 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,157 It was our car. 361 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,077 Was the car covered by your insurance? 362 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,360 Yeah. 363 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,357 Can we play exhibit 9? 364 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,517 This is a call to the insurance company made by the witness 365 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,917 on April 5. 366 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 On April 5. 367 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,917 Is your ex-girlfriend 368 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,437 listed as a driver on the policy? 369 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,917 Yes, her name is Amanda Taylor. 370 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,917 And how did the accident occur? 371 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:10,917 She was reversing, 372 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,637 and then she knocked a mirror off 373 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,797 on the side of the car. 374 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Was that your voice on the recording, Mr Frazer? 375 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,880 Yeah. 376 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,917 So, um, 377 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,917 were you lying to the insurance company 378 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,157 or are you lying to us 379 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,157 about what Amanda told you on the phone? 380 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,917 I wasn't... I wasn't ly... 381 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,437 -I wasn't lying. -No, no, no. 382 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,240 One of those is a lie. Which one is it, Mr Frazer? 383 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,637 I guess I just... I just thought I... 384 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,917 I thought Amanda was lying to me about the way that it happened. 385 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,597 Right, and not just to you. 386 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,557 You still believed that Amanda was lying to the police 387 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,400 about... my client's so-called violence. 388 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,837 Yeah. 389 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Mm. Yes. 390 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,918 Now, during the phone call to you on April 4, 391 00:19:00,001 --> 00:19:02,197 Now, during the phone call to you on April 4, 392 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,357 did you believe that Amanda was exaggerating the danger to her 393 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,077 in order to increase her chances 394 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,880 of you going down to stay with her? 395 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,360 Yeah, that crossed my mind. 396 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,757 And when she was later killed, 397 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,120 did that make you feel very guilty, Mr Frazer? 398 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,480 I wish I had gone, yeah. 399 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,077 So did you try to assuage that guilt 400 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,677 by making Mr Chaplin a scapegoat? 401 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,637 Objection. 402 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Overruled. 403 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,917 I will take that as a yes. 404 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,960 No more questions, Your Honour. 405 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,717 He said he never claimed insurance. I got it in my notes. 406 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,117 Well, you should've called them yourself, Charlie boy. 407 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,197 Hey. 408 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,000 I didn't see that coming. 409 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,917 Yeah, uh, we asked you to tell us everything, Mr Frazer, 410 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,117 Yeah, uh, we asked you to tell us everything, Mr Frazer, 411 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,237 and that means everything. 412 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,877 And thanks to your, uh... your insurance claim, 413 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,677 you've made yourself, and... and worse still, Amanda, 414 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,360 look like liars. 415 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,680 Oh, fuck. 416 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,277 I'm sorry! 417 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,117 I keep saying the boyfriend did it. 418 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,557 Why is no-one talking about that? 419 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,757 Maybe because he's not on trial. 420 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,037 Should be on trial for being a life coach in L.A. 421 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,997 He's got an alibi. 422 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,077 Corporate boot camp? 423 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,557 No-one would have noticed if he wasn't at the session. 424 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,517 I mean, have they even asked if anyone went to it? 425 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,597 Maybe he flew a plane from Esperance 426 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,917 to Cape Rock for lunch. 427 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,677 Sounds likely. 428 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,357 I mean, I can fly a plane. 429 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,037 I clocked a thousand hours on sim-flight. 430 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,797 Oh. I was once in a plane flown by John Travolta. 431 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,757 I sat in his cockpit. 432 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,957 Sorry. 433 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,760 You sat in his what, now? 434 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,957 Can we please stop wasting time 435 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,917 speculating about people who aren't actually accused? 436 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Oh, lighten up, Sharon. 437 00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,917 The boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend, 438 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,997 The boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend, 439 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,557 he was under oath. 440 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,357 People lie. 441 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,757 Everyone lies. 442 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,197 We don't know who did it. 443 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,197 OK, all we know is that she dug too deep 444 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,597 and unleashed a Balrog. 445 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:11,397 A what? 446 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,237 It's a Tolkien reference. 447 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,397 The dwarves dug too deep. Hmm? 448 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,197 Haven't seen it. 449 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,717 Haven't read it, you mean. 450 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,040 -Oh, my God, I'm dying. -Come on, sickling. 451 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Pair of giggling Gerties, those two. 452 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,677 You were so wasted, it was hilarious. 453 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,357 Yeah, well, I don't remember any of it. 454 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,717 Yeah, well, you drank a shit ton, babe. 455 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,040 Fuck. 456 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,517 I remember this bit. 457 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,717 -Well, that was early. -So weird. 458 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,517 I've never been blacked out before, so I don't... 459 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,917 Yes, but have you drunk 13 bazillion wet pussies 460 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,360 in one night before? 461 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:56,917 Oh, my God! 462 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,837 Yeah. 463 00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,917 You kept flashing your titties. 464 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,240 You kept flashing your titties. 465 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,957 But, I mean, if... if I had those titties, 466 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,720 I would be flashing them as well. 467 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Wait, sorry, um... 468 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,120 Did something, um... 469 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,917 With the... with the three of us, did... 470 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,157 Did we all... 471 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,000 Do you feel like you fucked last night? 472 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,520 -No, I... -OK. 473 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,000 Because you didn't. 474 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,517 You were so messed up that we thought it was best 475 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,917 to take you back to my place, and we put you on the couch, 476 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,520 but you kept crawling into bed with us. 477 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,160 Which was adorable. 478 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Hey? 479 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Here, this is gonna make you feel less green. 480 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Go like this. 481 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Come on. 482 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,840 Come on! There's gonna be so many cute boys there. 483 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,640 Mum! 484 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,520 -Mum! -Oh! 485 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,280 Hi. 486 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,917 -Oh, here we go. -We're ready. 487 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,920 -Yeah? -Let's do this. 488 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,000 Uh, could we please bring up exhibit 11? 489 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,197 Mrs Chaplin, can you please tell us 490 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,797 where this photograph of your husband was taken? 491 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Yeah, it's at the river weir in... in Cape Rock. 492 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,957 Exhibit 12. 493 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,917 This is a photograph of the place 494 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,517 where Amanda Taylor's laptop was found in water. 495 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,920 Uh, Mrs Chaplin, can you please identify this location? 496 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Looks like the river weir. 497 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,397 In other words, 498 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,157 your husband's preferred fishing spot. 499 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,800 He fishes in a lot of places. 500 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,237 Mrs Chaplin, when did you and your husband 501 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,317 first meet Amanda Taylor? 502 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,917 Uh... Amanda came to our house four years ago. 503 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,197 Uh... Amanda came to our house four years ago. 504 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,637 My book will prove 505 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,997 that my father killed those girls in 1968, 506 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,917 and, um, well, 507 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 I'm talking to everyone with that specific angle in mind. 508 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,917 So you're not trying to prove your father's innocence? 509 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,357 Absolutely not. 510 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,477 Oh. 511 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,477 That's an interesting way of, uh... of taking it on. 512 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Uh, not really. 513 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,757 Look, um, I don't mean to be rude, 514 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,557 but, uh, those murders had a long-term effect on this town, 515 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,280 and, quite frankly, people are tired of talking about it. 516 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,837 Tired of talking about justice? 517 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,917 No, he... he means it's upsetting. 518 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,157 Yeah. 519 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,917 I understand. 520 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,917 But I intend to talk to everyone who was here that September - 521 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,917 locals, holidaymakers, everyone. 522 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,237 I've tried the detective who reopened the case in 1978... 523 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,917 Bob... 524 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,917 -Bob Stevenson. -Yes, Bob. 525 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,237 But he, uh... 526 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,917 Well, he's retired and he won't speak to me, so... 527 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,360 ...I'm doing it all myself. 528 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,917 And when did you next see Amanda Taylor? 529 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,917 It was April 4, 2023. 530 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Uh, but it was very different this time. 531 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,117 You did it! 532 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,397 For example, in... 533 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,560 I know you fuckin' did it! 534 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,920 She accused my husband of the... of the murders. 535 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,557 Mrs Chaplin, after that altercation, 536 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,317 the victim had visible bruising on her arm and her back, 537 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,717 but you say 538 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,917 that your husband was not angry. 539 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,280 That your husband was not angry. 540 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,437 -He was... -Are you OK? 541 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,917 He was confused, he was upset. 542 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,320 But... but not angry, no. 543 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,757 Did you see or hear from Ms Taylor again after that? 544 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,997 Yes, I did. 545 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,760 On, uh, the morning of April 6. 546 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,517 The day she was murdered? 547 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,517 Yes. 548 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480 She... she called me. 549 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,277 I would just like the chance to speak with you. 550 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,957 Look, Amanda, I'm gonna be frank. 551 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,357 Your behaviour the other day was bizarre. 552 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,277 And then you made a police complaint against... 553 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:36,877 ...against my husband. 554 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,117 Can I... Can I just... 555 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,917 No, no. I-I would like you to let me finish, thank you. 556 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,437 I... 557 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,277 I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it has to stop. 558 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,757 I need to meet with you. I... I... 559 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,917 Look, I'm staying at accommodation on Lennox Street. 560 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,797 Lennox? God. 561 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,237 Well, I'm not... I'm not gonna be dropping in. 562 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,077 Hmm! 563 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,800 OK, well, then a coffee. 564 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,917 Please. You need to hear what I have to say. 565 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Please. You need to hear what I have to say. 566 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,917 Did you tell your husband 567 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,600 you were meeting with Ms Taylor for coffee on April 6? 568 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,557 Why the hell did you do that? 569 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,437 If I say yes to the coffee, then maybe I can convince her 570 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,917 to... to drop the police complaint 571 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,717 and... and stop all this craziness. 572 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,197 It's worth... It's worth a try. 573 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,237 Love, you can't reason with 574 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,680 somebody who's got a screw loose. 575 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,197 But OK, look... 576 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,837 If it makes you feel better, hey, 577 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,520 you go ahead. 578 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,000 Mwah! 579 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,720 Exhibit 10, please. 580 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,117 This CCTV footage captures you arriving 581 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000 at the cafe at 3pm. 582 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,440 Mrs Chaplin, did Amanda attend? 583 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,720 No. 584 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,240 Why not? 585 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,917 Well, you know why not. 586 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,557 Well, you know why not. 587 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,397 If you can please answer the question, 588 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,917 Mrs Chaplin. 589 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,120 Why did Amanda not attend? 590 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Because she was dead. 591 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,000 Ms Taylor died between 1pm and 2:30pm. 592 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,037 Where did you believe your husband to be during that time? 593 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,917 In his workshop, finishing a piece for a client. 594 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,197 But you couldn't 595 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,157 provide him with an alibi, could you? 596 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,317 No. 597 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,277 Josie went for her regular afternoon nap at 12:30 598 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,277 and so I was watching a documentary. 599 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,997 I couldn't see or hear anything. 600 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,797 MAN ON TV: But over the next two centuries... 601 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,277 So knowing this, 602 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,677 knowing you were otherwise engaged, 603 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,917 your husband went to Amanda Taylor's accommodation 604 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,677 to make sure that she never had that meeting with you at 3pm, 605 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,917 didn't he, Mrs Chaplin? 606 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,717 Objection, Your Honour. 607 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,917 Mrs Chaplin cannot speculate, 608 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,917 and for my learned colleague to ask the witness to do that, 609 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,157 and for my learned colleague to ask the witness to do that, 610 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,397 it... it borders on the absurd. 611 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,917 Agreed, Mr Colby. 612 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,077 The State will rephrase the question. 613 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,200 No need, Your Honour. No further questions. 614 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,437 "My learned friend's question borders on the absurd." 615 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,237 Well, it is absurd to ask the wife if he murdered someone. 616 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,117 -Poor woman. -As if she's gonna say yes. 617 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,917 Ja, but she's on the stand for a reason, eh? 618 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,957 You want a drink? 619 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,277 We don't call it the stand here. 620 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Cup of tea? 621 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,757 Alright, the witness box, OK? 622 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,357 Anyways, I thought that you couldn't be compelled 623 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,877 to testify against your spouse. 624 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,837 Worried about your own wife now, mate? 625 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,677 OK, casual racism. 626 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,077 No, I like the wife. 627 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,557 She seems sincere. 628 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,997 -Mmm. -Yeah? 629 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,997 How awful to be in her position. 630 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,797 Yeah, it's awful for all of them. 631 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,677 I'm sure that's what the defence is hoping we think. 632 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,917 Drag the daughter with the wheelchair into court, 633 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,437 make us more sympathetic. 634 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,917 That's a very cynical view, Blake. 635 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,477 That's a very cynical view, Blake. 636 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,600 -Yeah. -Nah, it's called realism. 637 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,477 Hey, I'm covering for the door bitch tonight. 638 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,677 I'm working till 10. 639 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,957 God, you're a machine. 640 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,957 You wanna come, keep me company? 641 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,637 -Ooh. I don't know. -Yes. 642 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,080 Poor family. 643 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,237 I'd like a quick word. 644 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,237 Everyone? Everyone, I'd like a quick word. 645 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,357 Here we go. 646 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,800 Quick, quick, quick, quick. 647 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,480 Um... 648 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,197 This is, um... 649 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,637 ...just a reminder that a certain gravity and decorum 650 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480 is expected while in the courtroom. 651 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,320 Let's not let the team down going forward. 652 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,917 Yes, Blake? 653 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,117 Why are we all getting a lecture 654 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,037 when it's just the girls giggling and... and snorting? 655 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,317 Yeah, the girls! 656 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,917 Hey, hey, I'm just saying! 657 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,517 Let's just call a spade a spade here. 658 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,920 Regardless of who did what... 659 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,077 ...what each of us does in the jury box 660 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,917 reflects on the whole jury. 661 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,917 So we all need to behave. 662 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,917 OK? 663 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,120 OK, Karen. 664 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,480 It's Sharon. 665 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,480 Thank you. 666 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,517 Mrs Chaplin, 667 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240 how long have you known Alan Chaplin? 668 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,637 We grew up together in Cape Rock 669 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360 and we'll have been married 50 years this November. 670 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,237 Now, you earlier testified about 671 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,520 the photos of your husband fishing. 672 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,877 How long ago was that taken? 673 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,880 At least eight years ago. 674 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,037 Does he still frequent that spot? 675 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,037 No, he... he stopped going there. 676 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,117 Why is that? Because he's a... lousy fisherman? 677 00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,918 Oh! 678 00:34:00,001 --> 00:34:01,117 Oh! 679 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,557 No, a lot of people go there. It gets too busy. 680 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,117 In other words, it's a well-known, 681 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,917 popular part of the river 682 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,197 where anyone might dispose of a laptop. 683 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,797 -Am I right? -Objection, Your Honour. 684 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,797 Opinion. 685 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,517 Upheld. 686 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,720 Your Honour. 687 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,917 Can you describe what sort of man Alan is? 688 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,596 He's a very gentle person. 689 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,556 He's a good husband. 690 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,397 He's always been a rock for our family. 691 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,556 Preach! 692 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,677 Order. Can we please observe court etiquette? 693 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,917 Is that your daughter cheering from the gallery, 694 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,037 Mrs Chaplin? 695 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,397 Yes. 696 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,237 That's our daughter, Josie. 697 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,596 Can you tell me - 698 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,917 has your family got any special circumstances? 699 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,280 Yes. 700 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,877 Josie was born with cerebral palsy 701 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,837 and so she needs a lot of extra care. 702 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,997 Um... 703 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,237 And because he's semi-retired 704 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,797 and works from home, 705 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,277 Alan has been her primary carer for the past 10 years. 706 00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,918 He's a wonderful father. 707 00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:01,360 He's a wonderful father. 708 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,840 He's a calm person by nature. 709 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,157 Indeed. 710 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,397 So on the day your husband had an altercation with Amanda, 711 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,797 was that out of character, do you think? 712 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,677 Com... completely. I was... 713 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,077 I was surprised when I heard raised voices. 714 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,997 Did he offer any explanation? 715 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,957 She wanted his DNA. 716 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,917 He felt that she was implying 717 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,837 that he was responsible for the... 718 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,357 ...for the deaths of those girls. 719 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,717 He said that she was hostile. 720 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,917 And when he asked her to leave, 721 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,757 uh, she stole his hat. 722 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,237 She stole a hat? 723 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,717 Well, no, she tried to, sorry. 724 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,317 And then when he... 725 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,037 He wanted to get it back, 726 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,117 and I think that's when, um... 727 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,237 ...she must have got the bruises on her arms, because... 728 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,760 ...she was fighting to... to keep the hat. 729 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,400 Did the police visit your house that day? 730 00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:59,918 Yes. 731 00:36:00,001 --> 00:36:01,197 Yes. 732 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,917 The police did come to our house, which... 733 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,317 ...which was a shock. 734 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,200 Thanks. Thanks, guys. 735 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,437 How could she file a complaint against you 736 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000 when you could file an AVO against her instead? 737 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240 What is this woman prepared to do to get a bestseller? 738 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,640 Really! 739 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,917 After Ms Taylor failed to meet you for coffee 740 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,877 on April 6... 741 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,877 Mmm. 742 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,197 ...what time did you get home? 743 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,477 Well, I... I waited. 744 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,077 And I texted her. 745 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,877 And after a while, I decided she wasn't coming, 746 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,917 so I left. 747 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,197 I would have got home about 3:40. 748 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,277 Was your husband home? 749 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,000 -Yes, he was in his workshop. -Mmm. 750 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,197 Did his composure seem in any way different? 751 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,917 Was he rattled or withdrawn in any way? 752 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,917 No, he... he was normal. 753 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,597 You're back, then, sweetheart? 754 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,237 Shh, shh, shh! Josie's still asleep. 755 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,157 So, uh... 756 00:36:59,240 --> 00:36:59,918 What happened? What did she say? 757 00:37:00,001 --> 00:37:01,317 What happened? What did she say? 758 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,797 Oh, she didn't even turn up. 759 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,957 -What?! -Yeah. 760 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120 Didn't even turn up. 761 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,077 Did you know Alan in 1968, 762 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,917 when Judith Donnelly and Susan Mead 763 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,357 were murdered on Cape Rock Beach? 764 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840 Yes. 765 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,440 We were both at that party that night. 766 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,357 And we lined up together 767 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,397 to give our statements to the police 768 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480 two days later. 769 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,640 Alan. 770 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,757 Can you believe it? 771 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,437 Oh, when I first heard... 772 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,720 ...girls on the beach, I was so worried it was you. 773 00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,917 They're from Perth, 774 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,117 They're from Perth, 775 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,917 but one of their families owns a house here. 776 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,640 I knew them. 777 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,317 Did it cross your mind then or since 778 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,680 that Alan might have been the perpetrator of those killings? 779 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,480 Not for one second. 780 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,917 Thank you very much, Mrs Chaplin. 781 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,480 You've been most helpful. 782 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520 Uh, Mrs Chaplin... 783 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,997 ...you've told the court that you didn't suspect your husband 784 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,077 of the 1968 murders. 785 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,917 Is that correct? 786 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,080 Yes. 787 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,917 Of the... 378 men 788 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,877 who were asked to provide blood samples at that time, 789 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,317 to be matched against the semen sample 790 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,717 police found on one of the victims, 791 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,320 only... 17 men refused. 792 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Your husband was one of those men. 793 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,560 Were you aware of that? 794 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,560 Alan Chaplin. 795 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,917 Um... 796 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,440 Beth Turner. 797 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,917 No, he did. 798 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,920 He cooperated fully with the police at the time. 799 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,400 No. 800 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,160 No, Mrs Chaplin, he did not. 801 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,917 Brett. 802 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,720 Brett? 803 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,717 Did you know about that? Did you? 804 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,517 -Beth, you're a State witness. -Oh, you did know. 805 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,917 Listen, I explained this to you very carefully in the car 806 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,917 before we came here. 807 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,837 Even if I knew about the blood test, 808 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,837 I... I wouldn't be able to say anything to you, 809 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,917 do you understand? 810 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,717 This is not fair on me. It's not fair. 811 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,320 -I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry. -Colby. 812 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,997 You mustn't let these doubts creep in. 813 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,680 That's what they rely on, see? 814 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,237 Yeah. 815 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,000 Yeah, OK. I'm sorry. Thanks. 816 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,200 -Thanks. -Good. 817 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,797 So what did you make of this morning's evidence? 818 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,237 You know, you're very quiet. 819 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,917 Sorry, man, I just... Work, you know? 820 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,837 Yeah, St Gina's. Yeah, yeah. 821 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,917 I tell you, those parents are 822 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,237 getting their money's worth from you! 823 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,917 -Yeah. -You know, they're hard work. 824 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,760 -You know. -Yeah, I know! 825 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,360 The truth is, um... 826 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,037 ...I'm actually, uh, not gonna be teaching there anymore. 827 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,400 Um, it's not my call. 828 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,917 I'm sorry to hear. Can you fight it? 829 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,397 Yeah, I could, 830 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,997 but my daughter's gonna be dux of her year, probably. 831 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,237 And, uh... 832 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,037 Get this - they say she can stay if I go quietly, 833 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,637 and I think I'm just gonna go quietly. 834 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,920 Ja, it's a bit rich, isn't it? 835 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,917 She's... she's a gifted cellist. 836 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,357 And she relies on the instruments at the school and... 837 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,637 -You got kids? -No, no. No kids. 838 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,717 And what does your wife think about it? 839 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,917 She passed. 840 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,957 Oh, man. Shame. 841 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,560 I'm gonna... I'll see you. 842 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,000 See you later, yeah? 843 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 -See ya. -'Bye. 844 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,917 When were you going to tell me? 845 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,917 I had to hear through a rumour that the school's fired you? 846 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,917 -Who told you? What rumour? -Hayley. 847 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,640 Her parents. 848 00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,918 I was gonna have a meeting with Mrs Thorne this morning 849 00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:01,477 I was gonna have a meeting with Mrs Thorne this morning 850 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,237 before we were gonna have this conversation, OK? 851 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,517 OK. 852 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120 You're going to fight it, right? Unfair dismissal. 853 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,677 My God, Dad. Seriously. 854 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,440 Seriously! 855 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,677 The school's racist. 856 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,957 You and I both know it and you're going to just... 857 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,837 ...let them get away with it! 858 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,000 Salma, come on. 859 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,517 Salma. 860 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,760 Salma! 861 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,957 Isn't it a flat pack? Why have you got your toolbox? 862 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,517 Well, you know, I'm hoping that there's gonna be instructions. 863 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,917 Yeah, but you're just gonna need an Allen key. 864 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,797 Yeah, I've... I've got an Allen key here. 865 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,557 -Alright. -What? 866 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,837 You know, in case 867 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,480 there's something else I can do for her while I'm there. 868 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,597 I mean, I'll be home for dinner. 869 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,677 Yeah, it's... 870 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,917 I just kinda feel like this... new version of you 871 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,357 where you're kinda like Mr Fix-it or... 872 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,918 Well, I'll be Mr Fix-it here. 873 00:43:00,001 --> 00:43:01,677 Well, I'll be Mr Fix-it here. 874 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,077 I'll hang the, um, painting. 875 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,917 Please no! Don't, don't. No, no, no. 876 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,917 Actually, I wanna say something. 877 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,517 OK. OK. 878 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,317 I just kinda feel like you're just 879 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,437 filling in your time to distract yourself 880 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,440 and you're not really thinking about what's... 881 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,000 ...going on. 882 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,357 And, uh... what's... what's going on? 883 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,997 I... I just want... Hang on. 884 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,357 I'm kinda... I'm... 885 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,880 I'm talking... about your grief. 886 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,917 I mean, I was... 887 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,437 I was reading something the other day 888 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,037 and I couldn't help but think about you. 889 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,397 It's this thing that you've got 890 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,197 where you're doing all this good stuff for people. 891 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080 -Yeah? -It's kind of like a pathology. 892 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,917 It can become a disorder. 893 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,037 Uh... the disorder of... 894 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,557 ...what, being a... being a great person? 895 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,557 No. Fuck, don't make me sound like an arsehole. 896 00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:59,918 You don't... You don't sound like an arsehole. 897 00:44:00,001 --> 00:44:01,157 You don't... You don't sound like an arsehole. 898 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,400 You couldn't sound like an arsehole if you tried. 899 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,757 You're a great person. I'm not saying that. 900 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,437 It's like this is... 901 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,760 It kind of feels like saviour complex. 902 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,917 Like, when was the last time you did anything for yourself? 903 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,517 You have not written 904 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,840 for two years. 905 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,917 It's like you're not turning up in yourself. 906 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 Doesn't even feel like you. 907 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,880 Um... 908 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:45,280 OK. 909 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,597 I hear you. 910 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,360 And I'm really... 911 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,797 I'm sorry. 912 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,720 -No, I'm... -It's... And... 913 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,917 Like, maybe... maybe it makes me feel better 914 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,917 about not helping Izzy when I could. 915 00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,918 And that's... I think that's OK. 916 00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:01,557 And that's... I think that's OK. 917 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,757 Yeah. 918 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,957 I think it's an OK thing. 919 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,837 And I'm gonna go there, I'm gonna... 920 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,360 ...completely butcher this table. 921 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,037 And then I'm gonna come back here 922 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,357 and I love you, OK? 923 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,557 Yeah. 924 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,997 And is there... 925 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,037 If there's anything you need me to get for dinner 926 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,237 on the way back... 927 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,997 -I can save dinner. -Oh, fuck off! 928 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,560 -I can. I can save it. -OK. You can fuck off. 929 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,037 Well, I write jingles, but I... 930 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,117 ...I used to play indie rock. 931 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,957 -OK. That's cool. -Yeah. 932 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,757 I mean, not everyone, you know, 933 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,317 gets to make a living out of music, so... it's kinda cool. 934 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,597 I think Tegan thought it was probably cooler 935 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,917 when I was a rock star, but, um... 936 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,917 ...you know, it was in New Zealand, 937 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,917 so I'm not... I'm not sure that counts. 938 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,877 No. Doesn't really count. 939 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,120 What about you? What do you think? 940 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,720 I... I like... I like earning money. 941 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,320 Fair. Yeah, that's fair. 942 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,317 My... My brother was in a band. 943 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,957 -Oh, really? -Yeah, when he was in college. 944 00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,918 It was called The... The Wet Blankets. 945 00:46:00,001 --> 00:46:02,077 It was called The... The Wet Blankets. 946 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,917 Yeah! Yeah. 947 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,277 -Right, that's, uh... -Yeah. 948 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,317 -Well, it's got a ring to it. -Mm-hm. 949 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360 Have you got any siblings? 950 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,197 I, um... 951 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120 I... I had a... I had a sister. 952 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,120 But, uh... Yeah, she... she died a while back. 953 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,917 Alright. Here we go. 954 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,757 That's one, uh... 955 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,917 One Flurgen. 956 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,517 Yeah, that's a Flurgen! 957 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,317 Thank you. 958 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,160 Is it going in here? 959 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,037 Oh! Oh, dear. 960 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,557 -That's a... -Oh, no. 961 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,077 That's... that's an outdoor table. 962 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,080 -Yeah. It's an outdoor... -Yeah. 963 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,960 Better day? 964 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,197 Whoever decided to call all women of a certain age 'Karen' 965 00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,917 should be bloody shot. 966 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000 Should be bloody shot. 967 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,880 Oh, the young girls, huh? 968 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,277 Don't know how they think it works, 969 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,280 throwing a bunch of misfits together. 970 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,240 I mean, if we get a verdict out of this, it'll be a miracle. 971 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,920 But who better to crack the whip than you, my love? 972 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,677 Trouble is, I think these two might enjoy a whipping. 973 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,437 -Ohh. Not the only ones. -Well, I haven't... 974 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,357 -I've had one sip! -Too bad. 975 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,917 Oh! Babe! 976 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,437 Not on the balcony! 977 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,237 -To Gretel. -Yeah, to Gretel. 978 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,317 To Gretel! 979 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,517 -Yay, Gretel. -Let's go! 980 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,357 Hey, Gretel. Give us a drop. 981 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,720 What? 982 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,757 -Oh, my God! -Oh! Oh, my God! 983 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,197 -No! -You did. Numerous. 984 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,437 I'm... I'm sorry, you did. 985 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,917 -Numerous times, yeah. -But better than that. 986 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,317 You were really on one last night. 987 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,597 -Yeah. -Oh, my God. 988 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,917 Holy fuck. 989 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,040 Look who just walked in. 990 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,997 Jaz, we can't be here with him. It'll be a mistrial. 991 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,917 -OK. Fuck that. -Holy shit! 992 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,357 He's the one that can't be here. 993 00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:59,918 Someone has to tell him to leave. 994 00:48:00,001 --> 00:48:01,477 Someone has to tell him to leave. 995 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,877 I'll do it. 996 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,117 I'll go. 997 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,917 Give me a spray, give me a spray. 998 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,677 -No, no. Spray, yep. -The actual spray again! 999 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,917 OK. 1000 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,200 OK, wait. Wait! 1001 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,917 Hey, this club is owned by one of the jurors' boyfriends, 1002 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:16,917 so you need to leave. 1003 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,880 Like, right now. Yeah. 1004 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,800 -Are you serious? -Yeah, now. Go! 1005 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,437 Hey! 1006 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,517 Up! 1007 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,917 Hello? Gretel? 1008 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,917 Hi! Hello! 1009 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,757 Hey! Hey! 1010 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,917 -Mmm... -Hey! Hello? 1011 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,000 Hey! Hello? 1012 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,480 Gretel, come on. 1013 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,997 Hey. 1014 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,437 Hey, Gretel. 1015 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,040 Up! Up! Come on. 1016 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,000 Oh, there you are! I was about to clear your plate away. 1017 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,880 Thanks. I, um... I ate at the pub. 1018 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,160 Oh, right. 1019 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,240 Thought I might stay a while longer, if that's alright? 1020 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,480 Yeah, of course. 1021 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,600 Yeah, it's... a little bit of a break. 1022 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000 No-one knows me here. Might get some writing done. 1023 00:49:59,560 --> 00:49:59,917 Yeah. 1024 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,797 Yeah. 1025 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,797 Only thing is, I've got this murder trial on. You know that. 1026 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,240 That's fine. 1027 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,520 Might even ask around about a job. 1028 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,477 Why, do you... Do you need some... some money? 1029 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,117 -What do you need? -Fuck off. 1030 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,880 I do alright for myself, if you haven't noticed. 1031 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,360 Yeah. OK. 1032 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,760 Plus I'm a grown-up. 1033 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,637 No, I think I'll ask about a bar job. 1034 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:26,917 That's always been my go-to. 1035 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,637 Oh, you don't need to do that. 1036 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,720 I know. But I like it. 1037 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,480 Plus, you're busy with your murder trial. 1038 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,840 So it'll just be me and the dog and my keyboard here. 1039 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,160 Give me an excuse to get out of the house. 1040 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,560 -OK, but... -Goodnight. 1041 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,320 Yeah, alright. Goodnight. 1042 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,637 Jonathan who? 1043 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:03,917 Jonathan Myers. 1044 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,757 He was in Cape Rock in 1968 but he was never questioned. 1045 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,157 He doesn't appear in any of the police notes I've been through. 1046 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,597 But get this. 1047 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,477 10 years ago, he was charged with DV. 1048 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,957 Beat up his wife pretty badly. 1049 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,037 Could be our John. 1050 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,917 I'm going down there first thing to interview him, 1051 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:21,957 if you wanna join. 1052 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,917 No, I'll... I'll meet you after. 1053 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,120 I've got my own footwork to do in the morning. 1054 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,997 Hello? 1055 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,840 Hey. Am... am I speaking to John? 1056 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,160 Yes. 1057 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,717 Hi. My name is Amanda Taylor. 1058 00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,917 I, um, have been trying to track you down. 1059 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,717 I, um, have been trying to track you down. 1060 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,277 I'm writing a book about the Cape Rock murders. 1061 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,520 I found your name amongst the police files. 1062 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,280 How did you get my number? 1063 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,920 I've just been very... industrious. 1064 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,840 John? 1065 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,517 Yes. Yes, I'm here. 1066 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,237 So, look, I'll just... I'll cut straight to the chase. 1067 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,437 I've been asking all the men 1068 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,037 that were in the area at that time 1069 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,157 whether they would be willing to give a DNA sample. 1070 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:31,757 I'm... I'm hoping with new forensic technology 1071 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,357 that we'll be able to make a breakthrough. 1072 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,880 And... 1073 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,280 Hello? John? 75191

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