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THIS DOCUMENTARY HAS BEEN FILMED
OVER THE COURSE OF NINE YEARS
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WHAT STARTED OUT AS A FILM ABOUT A TEENAE
WHISTLEBLOWER'S INVOLVEMENT WITH WIKILEAKS
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TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT
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THIS IS THE UNUSUAL STORY
OF SIGURDUR THORDARSON
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This case is one of the strangest ones
I've ever worked on.
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Even by Icelandic standards,
and trust me, we have weird ones.
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One of Julian Assange's top volunteers for
WikiLeaks was actually an FBI informant.
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We're here because a journalist
is being prosecuted.
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THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA VS. JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE
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The main witness in the FBI case
against Julian Assange -
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17-YEAR OLD TEENAGER
- is named Sigurdur Thordarson.
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Thordarson lied against Julian.
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There was no hacking.
There was no conspiracy.
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Thordarson lied!
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He is one of the most famous
con artists in Iceland.
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Sigurdur Thordarson,
also known as "Siggi the Hacker".
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You'd think that the entire case
would collapse.
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So a key witness against WikiLeaks
has now admitted to lying.
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AND/OR ILLEGALLY OBTAIN
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It's basically a testimony of a liar,
a paedophile and a criminal.
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A DANGEROUS BOY
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SIGURDUR
A.K.A. SIGGI THE HACKER
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I'm thinking, Siggi,
maybe if you could just walk -
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from where you are now
and then walk inside the door.
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Start sitting there on the bench -
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and then you get up,
and then you just walk inside.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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REYKJAVIK PRISON
ICELAND
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Working for WikiLeaks was,
you know, quite exciting times.
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It was like in a Hollywood movie -
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where you infiltrate government systems
and read classified information.
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The White House, blasting the release
of over 90,000 US military records.
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Julian Assange, the founder
of WikiLeaks is at the centre -
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of hundreds of thousands of secret
documents that have made their way online.
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By setting up
an online electronic drop box -
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where whistleblowers around the world
could anonymously upload -
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sensitive and suppressed information.
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I was a famous teenage computer hacker
in Australia.
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Assange has made WikiLeaks
a global force -
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and for better or worse exposed -
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what he considers
some of the world's darkest secrets.
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How would a film about you look?
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I have no idea. Quite good, I think.
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But no, I have no idea.
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People will have to make
their own opinion of me.
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IS THIS THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN ICELAND?
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Hopefully, I'm a good bad guy.
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SIGGI'S MOTHER
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- Have you started?
- Yeah, yeah.
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He was a good kid. Inventive.
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Happy, but introvert.
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He didn't have a lot of people
around him or friends.
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But he was very happy
and got on by himself.
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We didn't know about these talents -
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and what he was doing on the computer,
because we didn't understand it.
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I remember once
that he hacked a computer -
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when he was 9-10.
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He hacked the school system and changed
the grades of people he didn't like.
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They suspected him of doing it, anyway.
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He said he did it.
I don't know more about that case.
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I was travelling with my family,
we were on vacation.
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I ended up next to this guy
on the airplane -
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who was the CEO of Milestone's
tax and legal division -
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and had some computer problems.
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After 10 minutes with the computer -
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I managed to end some processes and
the computer lived throughout the flight.
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After that, he said he might have
some computer jobs for me.
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He said he was helping him
with computers. How to do this and that.
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And since I'm no good with computers,
I had no idea what he was doing.
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I wasn't happy about it.
He was a young boy, only 15 or 16.
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I found it so strange that
this man needed his help.
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Very strange.
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After the flight, I went to his house,
fixed the computers.
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Later on, we went to a bunch
of other houses -
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that were connected to Milestone and
all companies connected to that lawyer -
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and we fixed some computers.
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I realised that the computers had
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quite a lot of confidential material -
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about the Icelandic banking system,
about financial companies in Iceland -
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about individuals connected
to the political life.
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I noticed that the actions of the company
might not be legitimate.
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I tried to give the information to the
Resolution Committees of the banks.
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I tried to do the right thing.
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I realised that nobody gave a shit
about what the right thing was.
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I copied the material -
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and contacted a local newspaper
and said:
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"I might have information
that might be valuable to publish."
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And they published front page
after front page.
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Nine companies and homes
were raided today in regard to -
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alleged fraud at Sjóvá,
Milestone and Askar Capital.
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The global financial crisis hit Iceland
first and hardest.
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How is it possible that they allowed
the Icelandic banking system -
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to grow ten times the size of our GDP?
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Bankers were shovelling up the public's
money and spreading it around themselves.
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His father got a call and was told
that the police were searching his room.
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I hurried home, of course, and found
the police searching his room.
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It was a terrible thing to experience.
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One of my closest friends decided
to contact the police -
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and the lawyer for Milestone
and let them know -
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that the information being
leaked to the media came from me.
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A 17-year-old boy has been arrested
for stealing confidential files -
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from a lawyer employed by Milestone
and Eidur Smári Gudjohnsen.
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I leaked information connected
to many powerful individuals in Iceland.
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Even the financial minister is
connected to those documents.
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All he did was blow the whistle.
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In this
case, he was the one who leaked the files.
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But the people who owned them
should've been held accountable.
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Siggi was introduced to me and Julian -
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at an event that we were participating in.
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Kristinn Hrafnsson
introduced Siggi to Assange -
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as this kid that had been wronged -
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by a media outlet that had outed him.
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We are a gateway for whistleblowers,
who deem -
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they're sitting on information that
they think should be in the public domain.
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I got a phone call
from Kristinn Hrafnsson, who said:
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"There's this guy that
you'd probably be interested in meeting."
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"Well, what's his name?"
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"His name is Julian Assange."
"Who the fuck is that?"
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I started googling him, found nothing,
The guy was nobody at that time.
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But I decided to agree to meet him,
and he said -
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Yeah, he was holding a conference
about whistleblower security -
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at the University of Iceland,
and I said, "Yeah, I'll be there."
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When I walked in, he was screaming at the
individual that outed me in the newspaper.
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He was slamming the guy
for outing a source.
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So my first impression of him was,
"He is quite good."
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FOUNDER OF WIKILEAKS
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After the conference, I walked up to him.
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He knew who I was
because Kristinn had told him -
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and we spent maybe three hours
talking about nothing and everything -
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and politics, computers, didn't matter.
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And what was your first impression
of Julian Assange?
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Some anarchist activist that was
nothing but his mouth doing it -
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like 80-90% of activists,
"Yeah, we have to go do something now!"
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And 10% actually do something
that might actually change something.
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I found out that he was one of the 10%.
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We were like Batman and Robin. Some
have said we were like father and son.
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We both grew up experimenting
with computers and leaking information.
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Our youth is quite similar.
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SIGGI'S FRIEND
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Here in Iceland, a lot of people go
to the pool after work to relax -
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and talk football, politics or whatever.
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Siggi happened to be there one night
and started talking to us.
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We didn't believe a word
of what he was saying at first.
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Then a lot of stories started to pop up
in international and local news -
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so okay, he was involved with WikiLeaks.
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He's not your regular 17-year-old.
He's bright, very polite -
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doesn't drink, doesn't smoke,
never gets mad, treats people nice.
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A normal teenager would be running
around having fun -
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but he had his face down
in his computer and world politics.
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Many of the leaks WikiLeaks obtained
were illegally obtained.
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They didn't come from whistleblowers
or leakers. They came from hackers.
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- Hello.
- Hey. How's life?
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Life is fucking hectic, bro. It's crazy.
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It's fucking busy.
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We had this team of world-class hackers.
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They just did it. We broke into emails
of President Assad in Syria -
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that proved he was transferring
millions of euros from government funds -
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to his own personal bank account
in Switzerland.
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We had emails
from government institutions.
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We had emails and passwords.
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It's so surreal,
being under the age of 20 -
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and having the capabilities
of having people to infiltrate -
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the world's biggest governments.
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We even infiltrated
the email system of the American Senate.
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We had emails from NASA.
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Welcome aboard.
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It never occurred to me, the consequences
of what I might be doing.
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One of the guys that I was connected to,
LulzSec, is serving 25 years.
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And then you start to think, "Shit."
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A major takedown in the war
against computer crime.
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Authorities in the US and Europe
just rounded up alleged hackers -
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suspected in a recent string
of high-profile cyberattacks.
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What the fuck have I put myself into?
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But... you don't think, you know?
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One of those charged, Hector Monsegur,
known as Sabu, pleaded guilty.
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Law enforcement officials say Sabu and
his associates are behind notorious hacks.
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Why Julian Assange trusted me as he did
is still unknown to me to this day.
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I wouldn't have.
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- Why?
- Because I was that young.
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I wouldn't have trusted me for a second.
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I was way too young for this shit.
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Just for today, I will not anger.
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Just for today, I will not worry.
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Just for today, I will be humble.
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Just for today, I will be honest.
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Just for today, I will be compassionate.
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SIGGI'S PRIEST
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It's unacceptable and irresponsible
of this organisation -
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to involve such a young boy in this.
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Siggi couldn't go to school or work -
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because there was always something
to do at WikiLeaks.
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He was up all night,
working on chat logs -
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delegating tasks and running
through material that was sent in.
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With all the people around the world
who were sympathising with Wikileaks -
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you'd think it would be easy
to find someone -
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that was more mature
and better suited for the job.
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But in Siggi -
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Julian had a young man
who did what he was told.
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My imprisonment now is -
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because I paid an individual
under the age of 18 for sexual favours.
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Sigurdur Ingi was sentenced last year
for sexually abusing a 17-year-old boy.
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In Iceland, the legal age is 15 years.
With the restriction -
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that if you are 15,
your sexual partner can't be over 18.
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If the other person is over 18,
he commits a crime.
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The age difference was 1.5 years.
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How is that child molestation?
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PROMISING HIM
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AMONG OTHER THINGS
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LARGE SUMS OF MONEY
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I wouldn't say I was paying him for sex.
It was just gifts, you know.
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Like people give to their boyfriends
or girlfriends.
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This young man that he still has
a relationship with -
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over the phone, now that he's in prison -
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they have a kind of love relationship.
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Something that
Siggi's never experienced before.
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It's hard for him to express what it is.
You have to explain that it's love.
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He doesn't understand it.
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It's hard for him to explain these
feelings that he's never had before.
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If he doesn't answer me for three days -
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or if I don't call him for three days,
then I start making assumptions:
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"Why is he not communicating with me?
Why is he not answering me?"
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"What's wrong?
Why has he stopped talking to me?"
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"Is the media saying something about me
that I don't know?" Blah-blah, you know.
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But as often as that has happened -
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there's usually a normal explanation
for why he didn't pick up.
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He was out driving or whatever.
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To me it sounds like
there are some feelings between you.
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Some would characterise these feelings
as feeling love.
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How would you characterise it?
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I have no idea how to characterise
those feelings.
233
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I couldn't imagine or couldn't guess even.
234
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I have no idea.
235
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This boy's parents pressed charges -
236
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on the basis of a referral from the police.
237
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In other words -
238
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the police asked people
to press charges.
239
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The police called them
and visited these people -
240
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and urged them to press charges
against Siggi.
241
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Perhaps making them worse
than they were.
242
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SIGGI "THE HACKER" CHARGED WITH
MULTIPLE SEXUAL OFFENCES AGAINST MINORS
243
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Our heavenly Father, we thank you for
the positive effect you have on Siggi.
244
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We pray that the Holy Spirit
will be with him and bless him.
245
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We pray this prayer
in the name of Jesus Christ.
246
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Amen.
247
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So...
248
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- Half an hour to departure.
- Yeah.
249
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Hopefully, it goes well.
250
00:21:43,021 --> 00:21:44,021
Yeah.
251
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We'll see what happens.
They're not letting us out of here.
252
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- Are you okay?
- Of course.
253
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It's going to go fine.
254
00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:16,117
We can clearly see
that there is a consequence -
255
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as a result of the leak from 2009 -
256
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of the Milestone data -
257
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which includes many people involved
in the Icelandic financial crisis -
258
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for example, the head of
the economic police in Reykjavik.
259
00:23:00,364 --> 00:23:05,382
They were after him for a long time.
I guess it started back in 2010.
260
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I have no knowledge of what the police
were doing. They called me twice -
261
00:23:10,748 --> 00:23:14,083
and asked if I knew Siggi
and I said yes. And they said:
262
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"Stay away from him, he's dangerous.
He's a psychopath."
263
00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:20,971
But they didn't ask me real questions -
264
00:23:21,442 --> 00:23:25,039
so I told them to pick up the newest
copy of Rolling Stone magazine.
265
00:23:25,064 --> 00:23:29,231
There's a five-page interview. If you need
to know something about Siggi, read that.
266
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But if you're asking if he was
being bullied by the police...
267
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Like I said, Iceland is a small town.
268
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You step on toes, you're going to feel it.
269
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Those are the case files.
270
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And this is Siggi from the prosecution.
271
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SIGGI'S LAWYER
272
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Do you think, in your opinion -
273
00:24:14,986 --> 00:24:20,883
that somebody's out to suppress
the rights of Siggi?
274
00:24:20,908 --> 00:24:26,428
I really can't say, but it's obvious
that Siggi has pissed off -
275
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many persons
that have a lot of authority.
276
00:24:32,295 --> 00:24:35,144
I really can't go deeper into it than that.
277
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SIGGI THE HACKER SENTENCED
TO THREE YEARS IN PRISON
278
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FORMER WIKILEAKS
VOLUNTEER "SIGGI THE HACKER"
279
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SENTENCED TO PRISON FOR
SEXUALLY VIOLATING TEENAGE BOYS
280
00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:30,126
CONFESSED IN COURT TO CHARGES OF SEXUAL ABUSE
BROUGHT AGAINST HIM BY NINE TEENAGE BOYS...
281
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,793
AUGUST 28, 2015
282
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NINE TEENAGE BOYS...
283
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A man sentenced to three years for the
sexual assault of nine boys last year -
284
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has been released from prison
after nine months.
285
00:26:02,418 --> 00:26:07,757
He will be placed
on electronic monitoring probation.
286
00:26:29,446 --> 00:26:34,669
You can see here one news report about
that I have been released from jail.
287
00:26:34,889 --> 00:26:36,720
Can you read some of the comments?
288
00:26:40,165 --> 00:26:43,734
"A psychological monster
that has no conscience."
289
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:48,605
"Do you think he has finished?
Who will be his next victims?"
290
00:26:50,494 --> 00:26:54,898
"Amazing that this son of a bitch
should walk free."
291
00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:56,898
"You're disgusting. You're a monster."
292
00:26:56,923 --> 00:27:01,643
"A man like you are the people
that should erase themselves."
293
00:27:04,242 --> 00:27:07,282
And here: "In my eyes,
he's a rapist and a murderer."
294
00:27:07,308 --> 00:27:10,400
"HE LOST ALL HOPE"
295
00:27:11,816 --> 00:27:14,417
...TOOK HIS OWN LIFE...
296
00:27:15,657 --> 00:27:19,844
The story was basically
that their son had committed suicide -
297
00:27:19,869 --> 00:27:23,373
but my name was never implicated
in the story.
298
00:27:25,166 --> 00:27:28,616
But people just made a guess
based on the facts of the story.
299
00:27:42,106 --> 00:27:45,919
COPENHAGEN
DENMARK
300
00:27:55,356 --> 00:28:00,705
I could basically just sit on a bench
and look at people all day -
301
00:28:00,730 --> 00:28:05,016
doing their...
just busy with their normal lives.
302
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:10,688
It's interesting when people ask me,
"How do you feel about your story?"
303
00:28:10,845 --> 00:28:16,108
I say, "Well, it's normal for me."
I don't know anything else -
304
00:28:16,133 --> 00:28:22,498
but then again, normality is perhaps
something we create.
305
00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:55,971
Just before filming,
you start eating candy.
306
00:28:56,009 --> 00:28:57,436
You told me to get some.
307
00:28:59,221 --> 00:29:01,918
You said, "You want some?"
So I got some.
308
00:29:02,027 --> 00:29:04,542
Now we have to wait
until you finish your candy.
309
00:29:10,515 --> 00:29:11,669
Let's go.
310
00:29:11,694 --> 00:29:14,636
People of Iceland, you are not alone.
311
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,958
Julian returned to Iceland
and we agreed to meet.
312
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:24,513
Julian took out his computer and started
downloading something from a server -
313
00:29:24,538 --> 00:29:28,803
which was the video
later known as Collateral Murder.
314
00:29:30,487 --> 00:29:31,927
Stay firm.
315
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,820
And open the courtyard.
316
00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:37,621
I just estimate there's probably
about 20 of them.
317
00:29:37,646 --> 00:29:40,580
- There's one, yeah.
- Oh yeah.
318
00:29:43,366 --> 00:29:45,594
Hey, Bushmaster element,
copy on the one-six.
319
00:29:45,704 --> 00:29:47,190
- That's a weapon.
- Yeah.
320
00:29:48,183 --> 00:29:50,666
Hotel Two-Six: Crazy Horse One-Eight.
321
00:29:50,691 --> 00:29:55,461
The video is about an Apache helicopter
hovering over Baghdad.
322
00:29:55,499 --> 00:29:58,712
The Apache helicopter notices
that they have something in their hands -
323
00:29:58,737 --> 00:30:01,412
which is basically a Canon camera.
324
00:30:02,249 --> 00:30:03,350
Fucking prick.
325
00:30:03,423 --> 00:30:07,668
Hotel Two-Six, Crazy Horse One-Eight.
Have individuals with weapons.
326
00:30:08,514 --> 00:30:12,317
They were just photographers
for the news agency Reuters.
327
00:30:13,272 --> 00:30:15,040
- You're clear.
- Alright, firing.
328
00:30:16,505 --> 00:30:18,500
- Let me know when you've got them.
- Let's shoot.
329
00:30:19,194 --> 00:30:20,337
Light them all up.
330
00:30:21,518 --> 00:30:22,817
Come on, fire!
331
00:30:28,394 --> 00:30:29,474
Keep shooting.
332
00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:33,158
Keep shooting.
333
00:30:35,495 --> 00:30:38,557
It was disgusting to see
something like this.
334
00:30:42,858 --> 00:30:45,550
- I think they just drove over a body.
- Really?
335
00:30:45,575 --> 00:30:46,575
Yeah!
336
00:30:47,947 --> 00:30:50,388
WikiLeaks became famous overnight.
337
00:30:50,595 --> 00:30:53,405
It became the biggest talking subject -
338
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:56,695
in the entire world
in a matter of a few hours.
339
00:30:58,082 --> 00:31:03,051
US MILITARY CONFIRMS AUTHENTICITY OF THEIR OWN
CHILLING VIDEO SHOWING KILLING OF JOURNALISTS
340
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:07,287
IRAQ VIDEO BRINGS NOTICE TO A WEB SITE
341
00:31:07,312 --> 00:31:10,320
WikiLeaks obtained a lot of information
through the same source -
342
00:31:10,345 --> 00:31:13,532
allegedly Bradley Manning.
343
00:31:13,578 --> 00:31:16,185
WIKILEAKS RELEASES 250K DIPLOMATIC CABLES; WHITE
HOUSE CONDEMNS - There is more fallout tonight
344
00:31:16,209 --> 00:31:18,514
from those thousands of pages of leaked.
345
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:21,364
LEAKED CABLES OFFER RAW LOOK AT U.S. DIPLOMACY
- US state secrets on the WikiLeaks website.
346
00:31:21,388 --> 00:31:23,560
US EMBASSY CABLES LEAKS SPARKS GLOBAL DIPLOMATIC CRISIS
- The state department has now cut off -
347
00:31:23,585 --> 00:31:28,580
one US military computer network
from its database of diplomatic cables.
348
00:31:28,668 --> 00:31:32,489
The diplomatic cables were one
of the parts that WikiLeaks released -
349
00:31:32,568 --> 00:31:36,798
that contained information
about diplomatic communications -
350
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:42,421
between US embassies and their allies
and other nations around the world.
351
00:31:42,446 --> 00:31:47,367
This leak is an outrage and it's going
to cause incalculable damage -
352
00:31:47,392 --> 00:31:50,278
to American diplomatic efforts
around the world.
353
00:31:50,303 --> 00:31:52,764
The United States strongly condemns -
354
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:56,727
the illegal disclosure
of classified information.
355
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,383
One of my jobs was to travel
the world with this information.
356
00:32:03,778 --> 00:32:07,653
I travelled to Holland, Hungary -
357
00:32:07,678 --> 00:32:10,831
France, Honduras, Mexico.
358
00:32:16,748 --> 00:32:21,285
If I'd been arrested, I'd probably
still be sitting in a US jail -
359
00:32:21,417 --> 00:32:29,360
because the statute of penalty in the US
regarding classified information -
360
00:32:29,385 --> 00:32:32,719
is decades of years in prison.
361
00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:36,123
And I can promise you
we were not allowed -
362
00:32:36,201 --> 00:32:39,310
to have this sort of information
in our possession.
363
00:32:39,741 --> 00:32:44,073
We weren't journalists,
so we couldn't hide behind that idea.
364
00:32:44,098 --> 00:32:48,736
We were just a group of guys
travelling with classified information.
365
00:32:53,022 --> 00:32:57,382
He's travelling for WikiLeaks
but doesn't like to travel alone.
366
00:32:57,407 --> 00:32:59,629
He's beginning to feel threatened.
367
00:33:00,627 --> 00:33:05,487
He has these notions that
state agents might be following him -
368
00:33:05,512 --> 00:33:08,380
as he's carrying these diplomatic cables.
369
00:33:09,523 --> 00:33:16,803
He asks me to accompany him to Paris
and serve as his security adviser.
370
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:21,204
I agree, thinking it'll be fun
to do some good.
371
00:33:21,506 --> 00:33:25,437
At the other end of the scale,
so to speak.
372
00:33:34,124 --> 00:33:38,505
I've been on operations against Al-Qaeda,
the Mexican Zetas -
373
00:33:38,586 --> 00:33:44,925
Triads in Hong Kong and Macau, pirates
in Singapore, Somalia. Sailed in Yemen.
374
00:33:45,421 --> 00:33:49,525
Just sitting here, I can find 100 ways -
375
00:33:49,675 --> 00:33:53,320
to kill you with 100 different things
before you can leave the room.
376
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,381
I was never a mercenary.
377
00:33:55,412 --> 00:33:57,094
I thought it was wrong.
378
00:33:57,156 --> 00:33:59,156
But I want to protect people.
379
00:33:59,682 --> 00:34:04,197
I think it's perfectly okay to be
a security guard or a bodyguard.
380
00:34:09,691 --> 00:34:12,016
Shortly after he turned 18 -
381
00:34:12,041 --> 00:34:15,852
he came home with a plane ticket
from Julian.
382
00:34:16,037 --> 00:34:19,840
He was on his way to South America
on behalf of WikiLeaks.
383
00:34:20,182 --> 00:34:23,262
He'd be travelling with bodyguards -
384
00:34:23,842 --> 00:34:28,298
to meet some journalists there.
385
00:34:28,905 --> 00:34:35,200
That's when I'd had enough.
I told him enough was enough.
386
00:34:35,225 --> 00:34:38,453
"I don't want you travelling alone
in South America on their behalf."
387
00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:42,576
But he said he was 18 and he was going.
388
00:34:43,937 --> 00:34:50,621
I asked him for Kristinn's number,
Kristinn Hrafnsson.
389
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:56,591
I wanted to speak with him,
but I never got the number.
390
00:34:56,616 --> 00:34:59,894
So I tried looking it up in the phone book.
391
00:35:00,443 --> 00:35:04,826
I finally found it and I called
and called, but he never answered.
392
00:35:05,473 --> 00:35:10,460
Then I asked for Julian's number.
Siggi didn't give me that either.
393
00:35:11,656 --> 00:35:17,309
And then he left, despite our objections.
394
00:35:21,376 --> 00:35:23,499
You're travelling with bodyguards.
395
00:35:23,584 --> 00:35:26,234
Is it true that you also travelled
with a teddy bear?
396
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:27,958
No.
397
00:35:30,117 --> 00:35:31,143
Yes.
398
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:35,965
Yeah, I travelled with it,
because ever since I was a kid -
399
00:35:36,056 --> 00:35:39,140
I've had the same teddy bear.
His name is Bumpe.
400
00:35:41,075 --> 00:35:46,048
He travelled every single country with me.
It feels safe to have the teddy bear -
401
00:35:46,073 --> 00:35:48,724
because he's never going
to stab me in the back.
402
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:53,122
So you were travelling
with bodyguards and a teddy bear -
403
00:35:53,147 --> 00:35:55,071
and the biggest leak in world history.
404
00:35:55,848 --> 00:36:01,010
Yeah, when you put it like that,
it looks disastrous.
405
00:36:01,707 --> 00:36:04,662
But yes. Yes, that's true.
406
00:36:12,155 --> 00:36:14,529
It was really funny. The people we met -
407
00:36:14,561 --> 00:36:19,016
actually thought Dan was the WikiLeaks
representative travelling with his son.
408
00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:23,957
You should've seen the editor-in-chief
when he found out -
409
00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:28,818
that Dan was my bodyguard not my father,
and I was the WikiLeaks representative.
410
00:36:29,174 --> 00:36:34,571
In Paris, I let him be the boss
of WikiLeaks.
411
00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:39,798
To me he was, so I pretty much
let him call the shots.
412
00:36:40,047 --> 00:36:42,587
But I quickly noticed
that he was a teenager.
413
00:36:42,797 --> 00:36:44,965
If we had a meeting at ten,
414
00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:49,078
I had to kick him out of bed at nine -
415
00:36:49,103 --> 00:36:52,610
because he'd been online all night long.
416
00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:55,978
On the third day, I'd had enough.
417
00:36:56,003 --> 00:36:59,529
I just started ordering him around
as if he was my son.
418
00:37:00,255 --> 00:37:02,756
I started telling him how to behave.
419
00:37:03,244 --> 00:37:06,150
He loved McDonald's
and we don't have that in Iceland.
420
00:37:06,175 --> 00:37:11,839
Here we are in Paris, eating McDonald's
because the boss wants to.
421
00:37:12,464 --> 00:37:13,815
Heartbreaking.
422
00:37:13,996 --> 00:37:17,792
Slowly we begin to bond.
423
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:22,661
We rent bikes and see the sights together
between meetings.
424
00:37:24,145 --> 00:37:29,891
As a result of these trips together,
we form a close friendship.
425
00:37:35,145 --> 00:37:39,230
Dan has helped me a lot
through a great deal of problems.
426
00:37:39,361 --> 00:37:44,665
If it wasn't for him making me realise
what I had done bad -
427
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:50,762
then I'd probably never have
pled guilty in my cases.
428
00:37:50,831 --> 00:37:54,085
I'd probably still be saying
it was a mistake -
429
00:37:54,116 --> 00:37:57,599
the police fucked me
or I'm innocent or whatever.
430
00:38:00,801 --> 00:38:03,403
We were walking the streets of New York -
431
00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:07,024
and we got this great idea
to enter a spy shop.
432
00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:11,171
And in the spy shop,
we found a pepper spray pen.
433
00:38:12,346 --> 00:38:17,669
We went back to the hotel and got
this idea to try out the pepper spray -
434
00:38:17,694 --> 00:38:22,334
just to make sure that
if we got attacked, it worked. And...
435
00:38:25,297 --> 00:38:30,148
Later on, we went to a meeting with
Forbes Magazine with the editor-in-chief.
436
00:38:32,228 --> 00:38:35,120
And my eyes were soaking red.
437
00:38:35,158 --> 00:38:38,968
And they asked me if I had been
smoking pot or weed.
438
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,989
"No, no, no, we were just playing
with pepper spray."
439
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:45,329
"Aha, yeah right."
440
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:49,262
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW A SECRET?
441
00:38:49,755 --> 00:38:52,891
From day one after the release
of the Collateral Murder video -
442
00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:55,959
Julian got paranoid. Understandably.
443
00:38:55,984 --> 00:38:59,902
How should governments deal with
the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange?
444
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:02,931
This been, a lot of comments
from other US commentators
445
00:39:02,969 --> 00:39:04,883
say he should be treated as a traitor.
446
00:39:04,908 --> 00:39:07,484
There have been threats to his life.
447
00:39:07,509 --> 00:39:12,203
There's been incitement to commit murder
by people in high places -
448
00:39:12,228 --> 00:39:13,610
which is outrageous.
449
00:39:13,641 --> 00:39:18,439
I think Assange should be assassinated.
Obama should put out a contract -
450
00:39:18,464 --> 00:39:22,211
and maybe use a drone or something.
There's no good coming of this.
451
00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:24,838
To some, a hero. To others, a villain.
452
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:28,106
The legal net has now closed in
on the WikiLeaks founder.
453
00:39:28,131 --> 00:39:32,902
Interpol is alerting police
that he's on their most wanted website.
454
00:39:32,927 --> 00:39:38,468
Assange has been arrested in London over
allegations of rape and sexual assault.
455
00:39:38,493 --> 00:39:43,567
Assange denies any wrongdoing, saying the
allegations are part of a smear campaign.
456
00:39:43,592 --> 00:39:47,988
Mr Assange's lawyers fear a fair trial
in the US would be impossible -
457
00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:52,083
as the leaked embassy cables have
provoked such outrage in Washington.
458
00:39:52,108 --> 00:39:55,016
Facing sex allegations
against two women in Sweden -
459
00:39:55,041 --> 00:39:59,618
the WikiLeaks founder was finally
granted bail. Next stop, Ellingham Hall.
460
00:40:15,592 --> 00:40:20,323
Julian thought that everybody was working
against him as a result of his paranoia.
461
00:40:21,108 --> 00:40:25,167
The only people he trusted were the people
he knew before everything started.
462
00:40:28,229 --> 00:40:32,894
So he started surveillance operations
against people working for WikiLeaks.
463
00:40:32,919 --> 00:40:36,121
Volunteers, etc., even journalists.
464
00:40:36,146 --> 00:40:39,336
Everything was searched
without the knowledge of the person.
465
00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:44,118
So if you were a volunteer arriving at
Ellingham, your luggage would be searched.
466
00:40:44,928 --> 00:40:46,972
But you wouldn't know it.
467
00:40:47,792 --> 00:40:50,391
I went through it very delicately.
468
00:40:55,772 --> 00:40:58,990
- And you did this on behalf of Julian?
- Yes.
469
00:40:59,015 --> 00:41:04,192
All surveillance "ops" were done
on behalf of Julian.
470
00:41:04,217 --> 00:41:08,983
Julian got a copy of everything
on the hard drives or the computers.
471
00:41:10,047 --> 00:41:11,356
FORMER WIKILEAKS MEMBER
472
00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:13,721
I think that the reason why -
473
00:41:13,746 --> 00:41:18,752
Assange entrusted a teenager
at the time
474
00:41:19,612 --> 00:41:21,347
with a lot of the activities -
475
00:41:21,372 --> 00:41:23,488
is because
he couldn't get anyone else to do it.
476
00:41:25,287 --> 00:41:29,704
Assange was extremely strict with -
477
00:41:29,729 --> 00:41:34,128
never leaving a copy on our computers -
478
00:41:34,153 --> 00:41:37,535
of any of the chats for security reasons.
479
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,949
It was part of a security protocol.
I remember it very vividly -
480
00:41:41,974 --> 00:41:46,350
because in the early days,
I had forgotten to...
481
00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:50,253
Nobody had taught me how
to erase it immediately, the logs -
482
00:41:50,966 --> 00:41:56,778
and Assange spent
a full 15 minutes screaming at me -
483
00:41:57,026 --> 00:42:00,133
for having kept the logs accidentally.
484
00:42:00,348 --> 00:42:06,041
Where it's obvious that Siggi kept
all the logs of all our conversations.
485
00:42:06,202 --> 00:42:09,479
That's... bizarre.
486
00:42:16,388 --> 00:42:22,419
I was afraid that with everything going on
and my participation in hacking things -
487
00:42:22,624 --> 00:42:27,886
I might actually end up
spending time in a US prison.
488
00:42:44,729 --> 00:42:48,170
I HERE BY REQUEST
489
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:50,136
A MEETING
490
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,160
AT THE U.S. EMBASSY
491
00:42:52,185 --> 00:42:56,560
In August 2011, I sent an email
to the US Embassy of Iceland stating -
492
00:42:56,804 --> 00:43:02,499
that I had information regarding an
ongoing criminal investigation in the US.
493
00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:09,597
I say to the man on the other line:
494
00:43:09,622 --> 00:43:13,463
"This is information regarding
the investigation into WikiLeaks."
495
00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:19,159
He was like an automatic machine. "We
have no investigation into that matter."
496
00:43:19,262 --> 00:43:22,339
I basically just told him,
"We both know otherwise."
497
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:25,831
"If you want to meet, I have some data
you might be interested in."
498
00:43:25,856 --> 00:43:28,271
"If not, let's just end this."
499
00:43:28,335 --> 00:43:30,602
He asked me to come to the embassy.
500
00:43:30,627 --> 00:43:33,556
I thought I was going in for questioning.
501
00:43:33,815 --> 00:43:36,022
And he said, "Well, let's take a walk."
502
00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:42,067
We ended up in a hotel in Reykjavik
where I was greeted by two federal agents.
503
00:43:42,092 --> 00:43:48,599
When I sat down, I realised you know,
"Shit. What have I gotten myself into?!"
504
00:43:48,624 --> 00:43:50,910
On August 24th -
505
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,941
a plane with 7-9 FBI agents -
506
00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:57,775
landed in Reykjavik.
507
00:43:58,142 --> 00:44:03,479
The FBI wanted to interview
Sigurdur Thordarson -
508
00:44:03,504 --> 00:44:06,669
and use him as an entrapment -
509
00:44:06,699 --> 00:44:09,523
by having him contact Julian Assange -
510
00:44:09,548 --> 00:44:14,973
in order to create proof to be used
in a criminal case against WikiLeaks.
511
00:44:15,005 --> 00:44:19,618
The department head of the Ministry of
the Interior contacted local policemen -
512
00:44:19,649 --> 00:44:24,742
and ordered them not to participate
in the actions of the FBI.
513
00:44:24,853 --> 00:44:27,531
But the FBI continued speaking with...
514
00:44:27,623 --> 00:44:29,709
After five days, they said -
515
00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:34,124
that the Ministry of the Interior didn't
want them to operate in Iceland anymore.
516
00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:40,879
Originally, they asked me, "Well, you can
basically choose where you want to go."
517
00:44:41,066 --> 00:44:44,743
So I just said, "I've never been
to Russia. Let's go to Moscow."
518
00:44:44,891 --> 00:44:48,011
They didn't find that funny.
They were very serious about that.
519
00:44:48,036 --> 00:44:51,333
So they suggested to go to Denmark -
520
00:44:51,489 --> 00:44:55,803
and the following evening -
521
00:44:55,835 --> 00:45:00,338
we left with an aircraft from
Iceland Express to Copenhagen Airport.
522
00:45:00,363 --> 00:45:02,448
RECEIPT FOR PROPERTY
RECEIVED/RETURNED/RELEASED/SEIZED
523
00:45:02,472 --> 00:45:07,598
They kept questioning me
as well as copying data from me.
524
00:45:09,114 --> 00:45:13,135
WikiLeaks' founder, Julian Assange,
may have temporarily foiled police -
525
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,698
if he remains holed up
in Ecuador's London embassy.
526
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:19,262
But if he leaves, he could face arrest,
say British authorities.
527
00:45:19,437 --> 00:45:22,015
I still today respect Julian.
528
00:45:23,202 --> 00:45:26,729
I don't consider him a friend anymore
because we had a falling out -
529
00:45:26,834 --> 00:45:31,950
but I do understand his position. I
understand what he's been through. Everything.
530
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:35,592
That's why I'm not sitting here saying -
531
00:45:35,617 --> 00:45:39,450
he's a complete idiot
or a maniac or something.
532
00:45:39,475 --> 00:45:43,583
Because I do understand his background.
I understand it completely.
533
00:45:43,806 --> 00:45:47,261
Julian Assange is a great person,
there's no doubt about it.
534
00:45:47,325 --> 00:45:50,616
He was just mixed up
in some bad shit, you know?
535
00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:57,590
ICELAND
536
00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:06,436
REYKJAVIK GRAPEVINE
537
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:13,545
"SIGGI HACKER" CHARGED WITH
MULTIPLE FRAUD AND THEFT COUNTS
538
00:46:29,008 --> 00:46:30,423
Did he just hang up?
539
00:46:31,541 --> 00:46:35,858
- Are you calling Siggi?
- No, Dan. To see if he knows where he is.
540
00:46:36,996 --> 00:46:38,952
- Yeah. Hello.
- Hello.
541
00:46:39,093 --> 00:46:40,773
SIGGI'S PRIEST AND FRIEND
542
00:46:41,469 --> 00:46:43,309
- Can you hear me?
- Did you get a hold of him?
543
00:46:43,408 --> 00:46:47,141
No, he told us
he was leaving an hour ago -
544
00:46:47,166 --> 00:46:51,185
but we've been waiting since Thursday.
I don't know what to believe.
545
00:46:51,673 --> 00:46:55,548
Yeah, that's Siggi.
You can't really trust him.
546
00:46:56,466 --> 00:47:00,462
I'd like for this movie to end out
with Siggi having a job -
547
00:47:00,487 --> 00:47:04,431
and a normal life, but...
548
00:47:06,084 --> 00:47:12,160
But it was the month I left Iceland.
549
00:47:14,419 --> 00:47:15,935
That's when the shit hit the fan.
550
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:25,711
SONDERJYLLAND
DENMARK
551
00:47:26,908 --> 00:47:32,547
My relationship with Siggi
is a little reserved at the moment.
552
00:47:32,572 --> 00:47:34,430
It's hard for me to trust him.
553
00:47:34,455 --> 00:47:39,057
Sigurdur Ingi, 21, forged
power of attorney, signatures -
554
00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:43,134
and bank statements to scam money
and goods from individuals and companies.
555
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,862
In addition, Siggi scammed three men out
of ISK 2.5 million by falsely claiming -
556
00:47:47,887 --> 00:47:52,167
he would open bank accounts
in their names at HSBC in Luxembourg.
557
00:47:52,192 --> 00:47:56,541
He's not an idiot.
He understands the consequences -
558
00:47:56,566 --> 00:48:01,384
and knows what's right and wrong.
He just can't control himself.
559
00:48:01,409 --> 00:48:03,265
So he's done it many times?
560
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:08,001
There are a lot of different companies
that they believe he's scammed.
561
00:48:08,026 --> 00:48:12,168
Rental cars for ISK 10 million,
four laptops and nine iPhones are -
562
00:48:12,193 --> 00:48:17,664
among the items Thordarson is accused
of scamming from shops and companies.
563
00:48:17,797 --> 00:48:21,547
I won't trivialize or excuse it -
564
00:48:21,572 --> 00:48:25,722
but people ask, "Why is he doing it?"
565
00:48:25,754 --> 00:48:28,934
And I reply,
"What else has he got to do?"
566
00:48:34,654 --> 00:48:37,357
What can a criminal do in Iceland?
You can't get a job.
567
00:48:37,389 --> 00:48:39,546
Everyone demands a clean criminal record.
568
00:48:40,477 --> 00:48:43,106
They call him a paedophile.
Who'll hire a paedophile?
569
00:48:43,131 --> 00:48:47,428
He isn't a paedophile, but that doesn't
matter. He's already been labelled.
570
00:48:47,453 --> 00:48:49,409
Everyone turns him down.
571
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:57,295
That's why career criminals continue.
Because we judge -
572
00:48:57,321 --> 00:49:01,083
and we don't know how to be Christians
in a Christian country.
573
00:49:01,362 --> 00:49:04,327
We never give people a second chance.
574
00:49:12,118 --> 00:49:14,445
- So how have you been?
- Very good.
575
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:19,055
We wanted to pick up on everything
from last time.
576
00:49:19,369 --> 00:49:21,268
Alright, we're almost there.
577
00:49:22,777 --> 00:49:27,525
Have you seen the new Netflix documentary
The Puppet Master?
578
00:49:28,244 --> 00:49:30,178
It's quite interesting.
579
00:49:32,081 --> 00:49:36,858
You should watch another one as well
which is also a kind of like a con artist.
580
00:49:36,883 --> 00:49:38,389
What's the plot?
581
00:49:38,414 --> 00:49:42,952
Well, the plot is that this guy
connects with women on Tinder.
582
00:49:42,997 --> 00:49:43,997
Alright.
583
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:48,505
And he has all these pictures of him
in expensive cars...
584
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:49,794
So do I!
585
00:49:50,464 --> 00:49:53,017
- Expensive watches.
- Yes!
586
00:49:53,398 --> 00:49:54,820
How much did he get?
587
00:49:55,841 --> 00:50:00,435
- 10 million dollars.
- What? How many did he scam?
588
00:50:00,604 --> 00:50:04,672
I mean, you don't get 10 million
from a couple of ladies?
589
00:50:05,091 --> 00:50:10,827
Why are you interested in these
documentaries dealing with con artists?
590
00:50:10,852 --> 00:50:12,998
I'm not going to answer that on camera.
591
00:50:14,484 --> 00:50:17,216
I think it's interesting to see -
592
00:50:17,919 --> 00:50:23,388
the behaviour of the human species
in certain circumstances.
593
00:50:23,413 --> 00:50:28,391
What's going on in your head
if you fall for a story like that?
594
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:31,416
But you've done something similar?
595
00:50:33,617 --> 00:50:35,223
Not for ten years!
596
00:50:38,636 --> 00:50:42,457
So do you ever plan
on being like a normal...
597
00:50:42,692 --> 00:50:45,334
Yeah, let's go to what normal is.
598
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:07,605
SIGGI'S NEW LAWYER
- So these are the records...
599
00:51:07,630 --> 00:51:11,275
for the pending criminal
case against Siggi.
600
00:51:11,881 --> 00:51:14,342
This is a lot of documents.
601
00:51:14,410 --> 00:51:15,410
So...
602
00:51:15,771 --> 00:51:19,368
It will take some time to sift through it -
603
00:51:19,625 --> 00:51:22,937
and find what's relevant and what's not.
604
00:51:44,603 --> 00:51:46,698
VOICE OF SOREN, THE PRODUCER
605
00:51:46,729 --> 00:51:49,631
- We're filming with Siggi now.
- Yes.
606
00:51:52,189 --> 00:51:54,772
And it's not easy to figure out the facts.
607
00:51:54,898 --> 00:51:55,906
No.
608
00:51:56,218 --> 00:52:00,402
So we've actually obtained
the documents -
609
00:52:00,427 --> 00:52:04,739
from all of Siggi's court cases.
610
00:52:14,056 --> 00:52:16,670
- Have you seen this?
- What is it?
611
00:52:17,262 --> 00:52:20,531
- It's all the boys.
- A list.
612
00:52:23,605 --> 00:52:27,032
Listen to this.
"I did not agree to meet to begin with."
613
00:52:27,972 --> 00:52:29,279
VOICE OF THOMAS
THE PHOTOGRAPHER
614
00:52:29,304 --> 00:52:32,189
"I was just young and scared,
but then he started to threaten me -
615
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:35,292
and he was tempting me
and deceiving me."
616
00:52:35,511 --> 00:52:39,554
"He mentions large sums of money, cars..."
617
00:52:39,614 --> 00:52:42,694
"He had a weapon,
an electric gun, handcuffs -
618
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,434
"- and a pistol and a bulletproof vest
in the car." Pepper spray, Viagra.
619
00:52:47,472 --> 00:52:49,317
He stuns him and
620
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:52,410
sprays him and stuff like that.
621
00:52:53,024 --> 00:52:56,488
I think I read somewhere -
622
00:52:57,061 --> 00:53:00,249
that he anally rapes him -
623
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,109
while pressing the stun gun against him.
624
00:53:09,916 --> 00:53:11,785
That sounds awful.
625
00:53:55,845 --> 00:53:58,075
- Is it here?
- Yeah.
626
00:54:18,751 --> 00:54:20,373
It's under the snow.
627
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:22,958
It's under the snow?
628
00:54:36,518 --> 00:54:39,536
The possibility of getting closure is none.
629
00:54:39,561 --> 00:54:44,377
I am blamed for his death in the media.
His parents blame me -
630
00:54:45,277 --> 00:54:49,488
and I wonder probably every single day -
631
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:54,811
whether my actions had anything to do
with him committing suicide.
632
00:54:55,686 --> 00:54:58,877
And what actions
are you talking about, Siggi?
633
00:54:58,902 --> 00:55:04,611
I do wonder that our relationship and
634
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,819
our arrangement could have
brought something to him -
635
00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:15,099
that ultimately resulted in him
jumping off the building.
636
00:55:15,124 --> 00:55:20,209
I was in regular communication with him
while I was inside.
637
00:55:22,048 --> 00:55:25,900
There was never anything
that suggested to me -
638
00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:28,260
that he was going to do
something like that.
639
00:55:29,233 --> 00:55:31,432
But then why do you blame yourself?
640
00:55:34,105 --> 00:55:36,264
Honestly, I don't know.
641
00:55:37,224 --> 00:55:40,749
It's just a guilt, a feeling I have. What if?
642
00:55:41,345 --> 00:55:46,623
There's this big "what if".
What if something I did resulted in this?
643
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:14,068
SIGURDUR
FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST
644
00:56:21,377 --> 00:56:25,331
I can't really explain this.
645
00:56:26,336 --> 00:56:32,577
Actually these accusations, they don't
seem to really stand, you know, but...
646
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:35,200
But...
647
00:56:37,742 --> 00:56:39,913
Really, one of the questions here is:
648
00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:44,247
Is Siggi sometimes taking blame
for something he didn't do?
649
00:56:44,605 --> 00:56:46,002
You understand me?
650
00:56:47,235 --> 00:56:48,595
Just for the thrill of it?
651
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:54,471
I doubt he does that in this case with
the young man that committed suicide -
652
00:56:54,509 --> 00:57:01,738
but I was more concerned about
maybe other, you know, financial affairs -
653
00:57:01,769 --> 00:57:07,508
that he maybe said,
"Okay, I already have a criminal record."
654
00:57:08,176 --> 00:57:14,148
You can't explain why he does that,
but we know people with these traits -
655
00:57:14,788 --> 00:57:20,341
they are not concerned about blame
because they don't feel the guilt.
656
00:57:20,385 --> 00:57:23,062
That's the central core problem.
657
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:28,157
LEIFUR
POLICE DETECTIVE
658
00:57:30,759 --> 00:57:33,193
Tell us how you got suspicious of Siggi.
659
00:57:33,606 --> 00:57:40,300
So what we did was to track files
from his phone company...
660
00:57:41,603 --> 00:57:48,252
where we got all his communication
with people for the last year or so.
661
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:53,131
"How much would you do for money?"
That was a popular question.
662
00:57:53,156 --> 00:57:57,280
And they would go,
"Well, I don't know, maybe a lot."
663
00:57:58,425 --> 00:58:02,802
And it evolved over to that question:
664
00:58:03,129 --> 00:58:05,780
"Would you fuck a goat?"
665
00:58:06,166 --> 00:58:10,634
"Or would you have a dwarf
give you a blow job?"
666
00:58:11,656 --> 00:58:15,819
And they would say,
"No, of course not, that's absurd."
667
00:58:15,844 --> 00:58:18,762
And he would show them the money,
a screenshot -
668
00:58:18,793 --> 00:58:22,604
of his fake bank account
somewhere in Switzerland.
669
00:58:23,854 --> 00:58:26,720
"Oh, he has a lot of money."
670
00:58:26,751 --> 00:58:31,039
He maybe offered to give them
a Range Rover or whatever they fancied -
671
00:58:31,462 --> 00:58:35,789
but in the end there was no dwarf
and there was no goat.
672
00:58:35,814 --> 00:58:37,178
It was just him,
673
00:58:37,925 --> 00:58:40,422
and he would substitute the goat -
674
00:58:40,553 --> 00:58:44,185
or the dwarf and tell them,
"Oh, I couldn't get it, so it's just me."
675
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:48,127
"But here's the ten millions."
And they would go for it.
676
00:58:48,361 --> 00:58:52,360
Some of them for dozens of times.
677
00:58:52,592 --> 00:58:56,503
And they were always thinking,
"I will get the money today -
678
00:58:57,141 --> 00:58:58,968
or tonight I will get the money."
679
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,493
But as far as I know,
they never got anything.
680
00:59:04,442 --> 00:59:06,780
He just sexually abused them.
681
00:59:08,062 --> 00:59:13,626
There were videos where he was using
pepper spray on some of the boys.
682
00:59:13,663 --> 00:59:16,237
Handcuffing them to something -
683
00:59:16,375 --> 00:59:20,300
and pepper-spraying them in the face.
684
00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:24,134
And having it on tape.
685
00:59:24,184 --> 00:59:28,090
And you could hear him laughing
in the background -
686
00:59:28,546 --> 00:59:29,981
like he was enjoying -
687
00:59:30,557 --> 00:59:35,457
when they were in agony
from the pepper spray.
688
00:59:56,101 --> 01:00:00,130
I have never been under investigation
or convicted or participated -
689
01:00:00,155 --> 01:00:04,036
in any acts of sexual violence or rape -
690
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:07,440
or paedophilia or anything like that.
691
01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:12,233
But why would you video-film
the pepper-spray thing?
692
01:00:13,498 --> 01:00:17,762
Alright, I'll show you something,
just to make my argument.
693
01:00:18,063 --> 01:00:21,277
Alright, here you see.
This is my drop box.
694
01:00:21,881 --> 01:00:26,549
Here you can see Mace,
Mace, Mace, Mace and Mace.
695
01:00:26,574 --> 01:00:31,027
Which are the videos of different
individuals getting the Mace.
696
01:00:31,052 --> 01:00:34,925
Shall we open one?
Let's see if I'm raping someone.
697
01:00:36,447 --> 01:00:40,071
This is taken 11 years ago.
698
01:00:45,988 --> 01:00:47,687
Don't take pictures.
699
01:00:49,993 --> 01:00:54,431
- Who is the bigger wimp?
- How long will it last?
700
01:00:58,126 --> 01:01:00,200
Should we open another one?
701
01:01:03,490 --> 01:01:05,295
Should we open another one?
702
01:01:26,408 --> 01:01:28,698
- Is he handcuffed?
- Yes.
703
01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:31,565
- Why?
- Don't ask me.
704
01:01:32,322 --> 01:01:34,002
They were not mine.
705
01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:55,867
As you can see,
we're not in a bedroom having sex.
706
01:01:56,860 --> 01:02:01,439
So for me, there's not really anything
to hide anymore.
707
01:02:01,464 --> 01:02:03,637
I already pled guilty to it.
708
01:02:05,314 --> 01:02:07,369
But I really need to go.
709
01:02:11,088 --> 01:02:15,877
The interesting part is that
he's admitting it, you understand?
710
01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:19,598
Many of these guys, they don't admit,
but he's admitting.
711
01:02:19,623 --> 01:02:22,748
He's telling me the truth,
almost the truth, you know?
712
01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:25,667
That is very special with his case.
713
01:02:27,814 --> 01:02:29,864
So even though he lies -
714
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:35,014
he tells the truth also,
but not the whole truth.
715
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:59,080
ÓLLI BJÖRN
ONE OF THE NINE BOYS
716
01:03:02,804 --> 01:03:05,281
I was really afraid of him.
717
01:03:06,296 --> 01:03:10,695
All the stuff he had in his car.
718
01:03:11,394 --> 01:03:16,608
His stun gun, his handcuffs.
719
01:03:16,821 --> 01:03:20,993
All kinds of stuff,
which he had shown me.
720
01:03:24,394 --> 01:03:28,160
So I always thought:
721
01:03:29,707 --> 01:03:32,380
"What happens next time
if I say no to him?"
722
01:04:13,382 --> 01:04:15,558
When I was 15 years old -
723
01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:19,975
he contacted me -
724
01:04:20,072 --> 01:04:24,418
and more than 50 times -
725
01:04:25,192 --> 01:04:30,721
he forced me to sexual activities.
726
01:04:30,746 --> 01:04:36,665
In return, he promised me
money, phones -
727
01:04:37,435 --> 01:04:40,893
cars and computers.
728
01:04:53,968 --> 01:04:56,845
We came to this place together.
729
01:05:05,746 --> 01:05:09,800
It's difficult to think back on.
730
01:05:12,312 --> 01:05:14,553
I knew what was going to happen.
731
01:05:16,211 --> 01:05:22,358
But I didn't know that he would film
the things he did to me.
732
01:05:24,121 --> 01:05:28,169
I never thought about it before.
What did he do with the video?
733
01:05:28,194 --> 01:05:35,276
Did he send it to someone?
Is he keeping it somewhere?
734
01:05:35,862 --> 01:05:38,153
There are many questions.
735
01:05:53,857 --> 01:05:58,353
We were to meet up like we used to.
736
01:06:00,871 --> 01:06:05,436
But I intended to tell him
that it had to end.
737
01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:07,972
I couldn't take it any longer.
738
01:06:09,319 --> 01:06:14,768
He didn't like that
because our contract wasn't fulfilled.
739
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,776
And...
740
01:06:19,854 --> 01:06:24,412
Then he used the stun gun and said,
"We must fulfil the contract."
741
01:06:29,235 --> 01:06:32,236
So he stunned me.
742
01:06:33,233 --> 01:06:36,211
He only used it once -
743
01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:38,753
but it really hurt.
744
01:06:39,544 --> 01:06:43,602
Then I just thought,
"I'm not going to say no."
745
01:06:44,565 --> 01:06:47,983
"Let's just get it over with -
746
01:06:48,146 --> 01:06:51,387
and after that contract, it's over."
747
01:06:58,541 --> 01:07:02,212
In my experience,
I lost three years of my life.
748
01:07:02,812 --> 01:07:07,144
You don't remember it
because you don't want to remember it.
749
01:07:16,102 --> 01:07:19,379
KEY WITNESS IN ASSANGE CASE
ADMITS TO LIES IN INDICTMENT
750
01:07:19,404 --> 01:07:24,844
Now I'm going to invite Bjartmar,
who's put out the latest scoop -
751
01:07:24,869 --> 01:07:28,034
in relation to the Assange case -
752
01:07:28,059 --> 01:07:34,334
to tell us a bit about the key witness
in the FBI's prosecution against Assange.
753
01:07:34,359 --> 01:07:37,119
Why he's important, who he is -
754
01:07:37,144 --> 01:07:40,667
and what Bjartmar found out
about his testimony and about him.
755
01:07:45,053 --> 01:07:46,413
Thank you for that.
756
01:07:46,438 --> 01:07:51,096
Mr. Thordarson plays a huge role
in the case against him -
757
01:07:51,121 --> 01:07:56,378
because he is the main witness
in transforming Julian from a journalist -
758
01:07:56,403 --> 01:08:00,876
to a hacker.
That's why his testimony is so important.
759
01:08:01,093 --> 01:08:04,506
So it makes you wonder
that the only individual -
760
01:08:04,597 --> 01:08:10,488
who actually the FBI could put
in writing with his testimony -
761
01:08:10,513 --> 01:08:13,988
that Julian Assange
was a hacker not a journalist...
762
01:08:14,761 --> 01:08:16,858
It makes you wonder
how strong the case is -
763
01:08:16,883 --> 01:08:19,964
if you have to find a con artist
and a paedophile to do so.
764
01:08:20,751 --> 01:08:23,391
So it's...
765
01:08:47,431 --> 01:08:49,800
So, since we spoke last -
766
01:08:49,825 --> 01:08:51,686
SIGGI'S LAWYER
767
01:08:51,711 --> 01:08:55,126
Siggi has been detained by the police -
768
01:08:55,657 --> 01:08:59,068
and is currently in custody.
769
01:09:00,068 --> 01:09:08,009
He is suspected of fraud
and financial crimes.
770
01:09:16,828 --> 01:09:19,903
"SIGGI THORDARSON - ALSO KNOWN
UNDER THE MONIKER "SIGGI THE HACKER" -
771
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:23,912
WAS JAILED IN ICELAND AFTER
AN ONGOING CRIME SPREE"
772
01:09:29,818 --> 01:09:32,421
LITLA HRAUN PRISON
ICELAND
773
01:09:37,366 --> 01:09:39,369
- Hello?
- Hi.
774
01:09:39,703 --> 01:09:40,925
Hi Siggi.
775
01:09:46,958 --> 01:09:52,593
The police have arrested me
on the counts of corporate scams.
776
01:09:52,618 --> 01:09:54,193
What are the charges?
777
01:09:54,787 --> 01:10:00,583
The charges are money laundering
and corporate scam or corporate fraud.
778
01:10:02,135 --> 01:10:03,619
Are you guilty?
779
01:10:04,776 --> 01:10:07,167
To some extent, yes.
780
01:10:08,193 --> 01:10:13,654
We talked to your lawyer earlier today.
He's been in contact with the FBI.
781
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:15,297
Yes, that's correct.
782
01:10:15,322 --> 01:10:18,960
Regarding the case against Julian Assange.
783
01:10:20,842 --> 01:10:23,592
ECUADORIAN EMBASSY
LONDON
784
01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:54,081
The two-day trial of Julian Assange
began in London today.
785
01:10:54,106 --> 01:10:56,226
Kristinn Hrafnsson, editor of WikiLeaks -
786
01:10:56,251 --> 01:11:01,637
told Assange's supporters this morning
that his health and life were at stake.
787
01:11:01,662 --> 01:11:03,175
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF - WIKILEAKS
788
01:11:03,202 --> 01:11:08,293
Today, this court will hear the arguments,
or so-called arguments, of the US lawyers.
789
01:11:08,318 --> 01:11:12,346
Kristinn says they will fight
the extradition tooth and nail -
790
01:11:12,371 --> 01:11:17,411
claiming that a dangerous precedent
could be set for the free press.
791
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:22,966
Free, free, free Assange!
792
01:11:26,785 --> 01:11:32,066
Do you see the irony in both you and
Julian being in prison at the moment?
793
01:11:32,638 --> 01:11:36,173
Yes, the irony is out there -
794
01:11:36,204 --> 01:11:41,600
but the difference is that I do confess
the crimes I have committed.
795
01:11:46,422 --> 01:11:51,538
Have you read the articles that
Bjartmar has been writing about you?
796
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:53,585
KEY WITNESS INA SSANGE CASE
ADMITS TO LIES IN INDICTMENT
797
01:11:53,609 --> 01:11:57,331
- I read some of them, yes.
- What do you think of them?
798
01:11:58,002 --> 01:12:00,847
He has no evidence that I lied to the FBI.
799
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:04,608
How does it make you feel
that he's published these articles -
800
01:12:04,633 --> 01:12:08,768
and is going around the media circuit,
saying that he exposed you?
801
01:12:10,735 --> 01:12:12,161
It's ridiculous.
802
01:12:12,532 --> 01:12:15,073
I did not lie to the FBI at any point.
803
01:12:20,746 --> 01:12:22,919
I'm Bjartmar Alexandersson -
804
01:12:22,944 --> 01:12:26,119
investigative journalist for Stundin,
a newspaper in Iceland.
805
01:12:26,144 --> 01:12:30,205
Why did he confess,
and why did he come to you?
806
01:12:30,334 --> 01:12:31,954
I have no idea.
807
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:34,437
I already have tons of evidence -
808
01:12:34,462 --> 01:12:38,165
so he might have been put
in a corner where he couldn't get out.
809
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:41,032
Thank you so much, and what you...
810
01:12:41,323 --> 01:12:46,075
- Just doing my job.
- I know, but it's immense.
811
01:12:46,649 --> 01:12:50,503
I hope many other journalists
are doing the same. And they are.
812
01:12:50,528 --> 01:12:53,300
I've talked to Bjartmar.
813
01:12:53,325 --> 01:12:54,325
Yeah?
814
01:12:54,386 --> 01:13:00,022
He keeps saying he wants
to participate and help us.
815
01:13:00,047 --> 01:13:05,633
But in order for his editor-in-chief
to sign off on it -
816
01:13:05,658 --> 01:13:09,577
Kristinn needs to approve it.
817
01:13:09,731 --> 01:13:14,464
Why does Kristinn need to approve
Bjartmar's participation?
818
01:13:14,626 --> 01:13:16,392
Yes. That's a good question.
819
01:13:16,417 --> 01:13:20,220
It shows that someone, at all costs,
wants to maintain -
820
01:13:20,245 --> 01:13:23,937
the narrative that Siggi lied to the FBI.
821
01:13:25,746 --> 01:13:27,722
There was no haking.
822
01:13:28,392 --> 01:13:30,954
There was no conspiracy.
823
01:13:31,304 --> 01:13:35,198
The truth is this is journalism on trial.
824
01:13:36,268 --> 01:13:39,238
This is the fate and the future
of journalism.
825
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:41,541
Free Julian Assange!
826
01:13:41,610 --> 01:13:44,143
THORDARSON LIED!
827
01:13:47,127 --> 01:13:51,063
You didn't quote him once in that article.
Was that one of the conditions he gave?
828
01:13:51,141 --> 01:13:52,861
No, no, no. I mean, he...
829
01:13:52,886 --> 01:13:55,087
Because either he's lying to the FBI,
830
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,544
or the FBI
knew he was lying and went with it anyway.
831
01:13:58,569 --> 01:14:02,729
- Or he was lying to you.
- He could be lying to me and the FBI.
832
01:14:02,754 --> 01:14:04,979
He's a known liar, so we don't know -
833
01:14:05,004 --> 01:14:07,905
but I have to take it
he's telling me the right thing.
834
01:14:07,939 --> 01:14:08,939
Yeah...
835
01:14:09,672 --> 01:14:11,125
The circus.
836
01:14:11,751 --> 01:14:13,298
The WikiLeaks circus.
837
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:19,728
KORMÁKUR
JOURNALIST
838
01:14:22,909 --> 01:14:28,544
So I got hired by WikiLeaks
in late February.
839
01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:32,543
Kristinn Hrafnsson contacted me -
840
01:14:32,568 --> 01:14:37,126
and asked me if I was interested
in doing a project for a couple of months.
841
01:14:37,459 --> 01:14:40,127
He wanted me "to find dirt on Siggi."
842
01:14:40,643 --> 01:14:44,108
"I'M NOT A MOSNTER"
SIGGA HACKER BANNED FROM SWIMMING
843
01:14:44,893 --> 01:14:49,023
I started my research by finding out -
844
01:14:49,181 --> 01:14:54,777
what companies
were registered to Siggi -
845
01:14:54,802 --> 01:14:57,866
and everyone connected to him.
846
01:14:57,891 --> 01:15:03,510
And then a jam-packed mailbox
awaited us.
847
01:15:04,483 --> 01:15:09,610
I was working
with another journalist, Bjartmar.
848
01:15:09,635 --> 01:15:16,713
He didn't hesitate to make
phone calls and meet with people.
849
01:15:16,752 --> 01:15:21,890
He reminded me of another journalist
I've worked with. He had guts.
850
01:15:21,915 --> 01:15:25,057
When it came to writing,
I had to teach him a few things.
851
01:15:25,977 --> 01:15:28,759
If I was organising stuff for WikiLeaks -
852
01:15:28,784 --> 01:15:31,844
I would make sure that nothing -
853
01:15:32,211 --> 01:15:35,074
that is then used for the defence -
854
01:15:35,099 --> 01:15:37,626
could be compromised in any way.
855
01:15:38,225 --> 01:15:44,571
And so if you're a journalist
and you are an investigative journalist -
856
01:15:44,603 --> 01:15:48,080
you have to make sure
you're independent from any influence.
857
01:15:49,323 --> 01:15:52,329
That's the key. Be independent.
858
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:10,353
SIGGI RELEASED FROM CUSTODY
859
01:16:22,296 --> 01:16:26,033
LONDON
ENGLAND
860
01:16:43,675 --> 01:16:45,934
- Sound?
- Yes, we're rolling.
861
01:16:45,959 --> 01:16:46,959
Ok.
862
01:16:47,508 --> 01:16:49,507
Well, first off, Siggi.
863
01:16:50,054 --> 01:16:55,569
This will be the last bit of filming
we'll be doing with you.
864
01:16:55,594 --> 01:16:56,609
Okay.
865
01:17:01,890 --> 01:17:06,337
You know who was speaking
at that Free Assange event in London.
866
01:17:07,058 --> 01:17:08,755
- Bjartmar.
- Yes.
867
01:17:09,706 --> 01:17:13,295
And Kristinn hired Bjartmar
to dig up dirt on you.
868
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,897
And Kristjón Kormákur was paid to work
on this together with him.
869
01:17:17,922 --> 01:17:19,574
- Did you know that?
- No.
870
01:17:20,511 --> 01:17:22,640
- Will that be in the movie?
- Yes.
871
01:17:22,665 --> 01:17:23,819
Good.
872
01:17:24,731 --> 01:17:29,814
You're hiring investigative journalists -
873
01:17:29,839 --> 01:17:35,546
to dig dirt on your
former volunteers or staff.
874
01:17:36,059 --> 01:17:39,468
So basically, what WikiLeaks
would be doing -
875
01:17:39,736 --> 01:17:43,205
is exactly the same as the people
they're publishing about.
876
01:17:44,652 --> 01:17:45,773
It's...
877
01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:51,543
interesting. Very interesting.
878
01:17:55,573 --> 01:17:57,687
Siggi, have you ever lied to me?
879
01:17:58,246 --> 01:17:59,436
Probably.
880
01:18:03,353 --> 01:18:06,268
I don't remember the moment.
881
01:18:07,361 --> 01:18:09,145
But you think you have?
882
01:18:10,660 --> 01:18:14,669
It wouldn't be a substantial lie
but a white lie like, "How are you?"
883
01:18:14,694 --> 01:18:15,961
"I'm good, how are you?"
884
01:18:16,304 --> 01:18:20,003
No, that's your masks that you put on.
That's different.
885
01:18:20,028 --> 01:18:22,383
That's a white lie, though. It's a lie.
886
01:18:23,095 --> 01:18:25,318
You know what I
mean. That's fine with me.
887
01:18:25,343 --> 01:18:30,244
I haven't lied about anything substantial
in regards to this project -
888
01:18:30,282 --> 01:18:33,099
or any aspects, that I recall.
889
01:18:36,112 --> 01:18:40,321
We also wanted to talk to you
about the sexual abuse cases.
890
01:18:41,135 --> 01:18:43,904
Did you ever offer money
to have sex with a goat?
891
01:18:44,322 --> 01:18:46,151
- What?
- With a goat?
892
01:18:47,077 --> 01:18:50,446
That might have been a conversation
but nothing seriously.
893
01:18:50,561 --> 01:18:51,561
Ok.
894
01:18:52,369 --> 01:18:55,156
Is it something that
you've asked other boys as well?
895
01:18:55,705 --> 01:19:00,102
This has come up in other discussions,
or a dwarf.
896
01:19:00,528 --> 01:19:05,393
So is that your initial way
of approaching the boys?
897
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:09,088
- Is that kind of like the pattern?
- Basically, yeah.
898
01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:13,802
This was me basically asking if
they would do sexual stuff
899
01:19:14,902 --> 01:19:16,315
for money -
900
01:19:16,853 --> 01:19:20,860
and a way for me to find out...
901
01:19:20,885 --> 01:19:24,820
If they would say yes, I would know -
902
01:19:24,845 --> 01:19:28,264
there was a chance
they would have sex with me for payment.
903
01:19:28,289 --> 01:19:31,185
And therefore I could hide
my homosexuality.
904
01:19:33,436 --> 01:19:37,608
But, Siggi, why wouldn't you just start
by saying that?
905
01:19:37,633 --> 01:19:41,660
Why go to the dwarf and the goat thing?
What was the idea behind that?
906
01:19:41,967 --> 01:19:45,171
Just to see if they would say yes or no.
907
01:19:46,146 --> 01:19:48,844
If they would say yes, I would know -
908
01:19:48,869 --> 01:19:54,496
they were acceptable
to sexual favours towards a man.
909
01:19:57,483 --> 01:20:02,328
That's something you slowly found out
and then it became like an approach?
910
01:20:02,353 --> 01:20:03,392
Yeah.
911
01:20:03,417 --> 01:20:05,928
It was my way of hitting on them.
912
01:20:08,168 --> 01:20:13,302
But still, boys,
they are all today scared of you.
913
01:20:13,582 --> 01:20:14,916
Why?
914
01:20:19,406 --> 01:20:22,674
I've never used violence in my life,
not once.
915
01:20:23,565 --> 01:20:25,967
- They're saying you did.
- No.
916
01:20:27,797 --> 01:20:33,247
If you look at the psychological side of it.
917
01:20:33,272 --> 01:20:36,693
Why would they say that?
Because they're ashamed.
918
01:20:36,956 --> 01:20:42,934
They're ashamed of having had sex with me,
which I think is very clear by now.
919
01:20:43,844 --> 01:20:49,457
So they use past experiences to say,
"Yes, he used that gun."
920
01:20:49,482 --> 01:20:55,039
Because a lot of people knew I had it,
so it makes sense to say that.
921
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:02,786
So what you're saying is,
you never threatened anybody.
922
01:21:02,811 --> 01:21:07,648
You didn't force yourself on anybody,
you didn't have your way with anybody.
923
01:21:08,922 --> 01:21:12,317
And all the nine boys are
pretty much just ashamed -
924
01:21:12,342 --> 01:21:16,439
and that's why they're coming up
with this story independently -
925
01:21:16,464 --> 01:21:19,655
that actually in fact makes you a victim.
926
01:21:22,715 --> 01:21:26,401
No, I disagree with that -
927
01:21:26,544 --> 01:21:29,713
because I pled guilty to all of the cases.
928
01:21:30,278 --> 01:21:32,626
And none of them involved this stuff.
929
01:21:32,972 --> 01:21:36,750
None of the charges were rape.
930
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,524
None of the charges were violence.
931
01:21:39,697 --> 01:21:42,715
The charges were sex for prostitution -
932
01:21:42,746 --> 01:21:46,666
no, sex on solicitation or prostitution.
933
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:53,046
It seems like you're more focused
on what the law says -
934
01:21:53,071 --> 01:21:54,670
but I'm trying to search...
935
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:57,963
how you feel about it.
936
01:21:59,719 --> 01:22:03,186
- Does that affect you in any way?
- It does.
937
01:22:04,753 --> 01:22:06,201
How does it affect you?
938
01:22:07,048 --> 01:22:13,141
It saddens me that this is the impact
that I had on someone.
939
01:22:13,655 --> 01:22:17,627
I have nothing to do in my position
except to apologize.
940
01:22:19,865 --> 01:22:22,525
A little more than that I can't do.
941
01:22:28,974 --> 01:22:34,000
You're saying that you feel sorry.
942
01:22:34,647 --> 01:22:38,481
But sometimes I have the suspicion
that that's because you...
943
01:22:39,418 --> 01:22:42,124
you know that's what
you're supposed to say.
944
01:22:42,698 --> 01:22:44,947
How am I supposed to act?
945
01:22:47,889 --> 01:22:49,694
- No, I'm asking.
- I don't know that.
946
01:22:50,178 --> 01:22:53,823
What's the normal way of feeling sorry?
947
01:22:54,315 --> 01:22:57,249
What's the normal way of feeling sad?
948
01:22:58,145 --> 01:23:03,001
You don't know the answer
to that question? You really don't know?
949
01:23:03,026 --> 01:23:04,394
How to act?
950
01:23:05,307 --> 01:23:06,340
No.
951
01:23:10,112 --> 01:23:13,519
There isn't anything I've read -
952
01:23:14,126 --> 01:23:16,734
that says how love is...
953
01:23:18,456 --> 01:23:22,458
or anger or sadness.
954
01:23:23,868 --> 01:23:26,899
There's no guide -
955
01:23:27,442 --> 01:23:31,366
that says how to feel
when you're loved or love someone.
956
01:23:33,217 --> 01:23:36,680
It's just... I can't explain it.
957
01:23:37,167 --> 01:23:41,791
You say that you're puzzled
because there's no guide?
958
01:23:48,072 --> 01:23:49,075
Yeah.
959
01:23:53,522 --> 01:23:56,253
But what is it that you're looking for?
960
01:24:03,073 --> 01:24:04,736
I don't have the answer.
961
01:24:09,259 --> 01:24:12,557
Are you still trying to find answers?
962
01:24:19,415 --> 01:24:20,415
Yeah.
963
01:24:26,839 --> 01:24:28,281
I don't have that.
964
01:24:38,189 --> 01:24:41,091
Do you think you can find them,
or do you think -
965
01:24:41,589 --> 01:24:45,502
someone can help you find out
who you are -
966
01:24:45,842 --> 01:24:48,351
and understand yourself better?
967
01:24:48,376 --> 01:24:49,569
I don't know.
968
01:24:53,548 --> 01:24:54,880
No idea.
969
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:17,444
I've been here before.
970
01:25:17,613 --> 01:25:20,415
Actually 11 years ago.
971
01:25:21,019 --> 01:25:27,993
And that was when Julian was going
to court for his extradition cases.
972
01:25:28,018 --> 01:25:34,419
But at the time, we had hundreds of
photographers and journalists here -
973
01:25:34,444 --> 01:25:36,603
taking photos and videos of us.
974
01:25:36,628 --> 01:25:42,522
It was quite interesting to be a part of it.
975
01:25:43,475 --> 01:25:46,755
Being all of a sudden
in the centre of the eye of the world.
976
01:25:48,115 --> 01:25:49,897
This is in a way...
977
01:25:52,463 --> 01:25:54,200
where the journey started.
978
01:25:56,995 --> 01:25:59,962
But this isn't the place
where the journey stops.
979
01:26:01,445 --> 01:26:02,991
Unfortunately.
980
01:26:04,038 --> 01:26:05,568
I wish it would.
981
01:26:09,003 --> 01:26:10,933
So I could just...
982
01:26:14,057 --> 01:26:15,925
move on with my life.
983
01:26:29,672 --> 01:26:34,492
We are curious to know...
What are your plans?
984
01:26:35,097 --> 01:26:36,213
Nothing.
985
01:26:36,926 --> 01:26:41,126
Just embrace the normality.
986
01:26:42,524 --> 01:26:43,920
What does that mean?
987
01:26:45,108 --> 01:26:47,815
Just to be a regular citizen -
988
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,647
going to the grocery stores
and buying food to cook.
989
01:26:53,780 --> 01:26:55,635
Going to... yeah.
990
01:26:56,537 --> 01:26:58,478
I don't have an answer for you.
991
01:27:07,539 --> 01:27:08,848
Ok.
992
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:15,425
Alright, Siggi?
993
01:27:17,470 --> 01:27:18,476
Yeah.
994
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:22,924
Right, right. Yeah!
995
01:27:58,601 --> 01:28:00,472
WikiLeaks did not wish to
participate in this documentary,
996
01:28:00,496 --> 01:28:02,341
but their editor-in-chief, Kristinn
Hrafnsson, writes in an email:
997
01:28:02,365 --> 01:28:04,845
"While WikiLeaks refrains from commenting
on the sources of its publications,
998
01:28:04,869 --> 01:28:07,655
it's significant to highlight that the most
impactful revelations of the past decade
999
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:09,666
and a half primarily
originate from whistleblowers".
1000
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:13,343
"The suggestion that wikileaks would employ someone to
'dig up dirt' against Thordarson borders on the ludicrous,
1001
01:28:13,367 --> 01:28:16,640
given his court-certified sociopathy and criminal
history as a fraudster and a sexual predator.
1002
01:28:16,664 --> 01:28:19,732
Kristján Kormákur was contracted for a
short period to scrutinize certain aspects
1003
01:28:19,756 --> 01:28:23,543
pertaining to Julian Assange's indictment,
which solely relied on Thordarson's testimonies.
1004
01:28:23,597 --> 01:28:26,454
Although Kormákur had the discretion to use
this information for a journalistic piece,
1005
01:28:26,478 --> 01:28:28,027
"it was never mandated."
1006
01:28:28,067 --> 01:28:29,667
Regarding this documentary,
Hrafnsson writes:
1007
01:28:29,691 --> 01:28:31,644
"This narrative conveniently aligns with the
propaganda serving the ongoing US persecution
1008
01:28:31,668 --> 01:28:33,659
against Julian Assange and WikiLeaks."
1009
01:28:33,744 --> 01:28:36,338
Julian Assange has not responded to our inquiry
regarding the surveillance of WikiLeaks staff.
1010
01:28:36,362 --> 01:28:39,058
The claims made by Kormákur have
been presented to Bjartmar Alexandersson
1011
01:28:39,082 --> 01:28:41,360
and to Stundin/Heimildin's
editor-in-chief, Jon Trausti,
1012
01:28:41,384 --> 01:28:43,379
but none of them have
responded to our inquiries.
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