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I just want sashimi.
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Yes. Kicho, 45th Street.
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Look up in the phone book, Kicho.
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Say who it's for.
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Yoko Ono, not me.
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Say it's for Yoko. Otherwise, I don't
get it. I want just sashimi, tuna,
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and sashimi. Just give me that raw fish.
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Just give me that.
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All ready, everybody?
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One, two.
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One, two, three, four.
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He was back in the studio doing what he
loved.
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He was probably the happiest person in
the world.
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He's a little kid in a candy store. He
was having a ball.
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And happy as hell to be singing again.
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And we would be in the middle of a good
take, and if all of a sudden he just
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felt like breaking into some lyric that
would make everybody laugh and make
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mistakes, he'd just do it.
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Okay, we'll try one more.
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Okay, just really watch yourself after
coming out of the Latin, because the
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way I know is because I have to sing it
fast at the same time.
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It's after... Jessica, I'm pleased I'm
so screwed.
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And then everybody's coming... We're
stepping out!
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You see? So just lay back, you know.
He's only stepping out. He's not
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We were nervous, not only for ourselves,
but nervous about John.
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If he would, having not been in the
studio for five years, have his act
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or not.
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As far as all that went, he was totally
together.
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From the moment he picked his guitar up
and said, right, here's a song. Let's
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start with this one.
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I'm stepping out.
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I'm stepping out.
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I'm stepping out.
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How do you reinvent yourself if you were
once a Beatle and defined by that
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moment in time?
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I suppose that New York offers you the
opportunity to reinvent yourself.
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If immigrants have come to New York for
years and years in search of Lord knows
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what, John Lennon isn't your typical
immigrant, but John has come to find
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something, and it seems that he's found
it.
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John would often say, I should have been
born in New York City.
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You know, he loved New York.
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One of my biggest kicks is just going
out to eat or going to the movies.
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I'm doing things I couldn't do when I
was in the middle of the Beatles stuff.
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And I really get off on that. And
people, occasionally people ask for
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autographs. I just want to shake hands
is the coolest one that happens, which
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cool with me. And I'm just known enough
to keep my ego floating, but unknown
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enough to get around, which is nice.
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We were at Hit Factory. He comes in.
He's got the silver coat with the fur
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collar. He said, look at this. What do
you think of this?
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I said.
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It's nice.
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He said, it's the greatest ever.
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I said, okay, John. I said, no. He said,
let me tell you why it's amazing.
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He said, you know Charivari? I said,
sure. He said, I walked into Charivari.
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I walked into the store. People were in
there. I walked around.
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I picked stuff up.
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I tried a few things on. I went into the
dressing room.
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Yeah.
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He said, then I saw this jacket. I liked
it. I tried it on. It fit me.
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Yeah. He said, I took out this.
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Uh -huh, my American Express card, yeah.
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I went over, I paid for it myself.
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And then I left.
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No must, no fuss.
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The freedom, finally you had freedom.
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That was New York, that's why you loved
it.
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New York City New York City
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New York City
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John and Yoko, we came to New York in
71, and they actually moved into Bank
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Street literally half a block from my
house in the village.
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And everybody in the neighborhood, we
all knew John and Yoko moved in, like
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everybody heard through the grapevine.
But, you know, we're in New York, you
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don't go, it's not Beatlemania, you
don't go knock on his door or scream
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comes outside.
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Bank Street was really the kind of place
that I really wanted the apartment in.
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It's a tiny apartment.
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I think there was only two rooms.
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And we were not really bothered by
people so much as in London.
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We actually lived in Greenwich Village,
which is a sort of artsy -fartsy section
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of town, for those who don't know, where
all the students and the would -bes
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live, you know, and a few old poets and
that.
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You know, people have lived there for
years, you know, still live there.
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New York came in the 1970s, was the art
capital.
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All the music happened in theatre, you
know, Andy Warhol.
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That was part of also Yoko Ono's life.
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And John wanted to be connected with
both worlds.
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The village was great then.
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A little risque sometimes, you know,
before they cleaned up New York.
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People on the street begging for money,
and if you don't give them money, they
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would shoot you.
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Pulled out on 8th Avenue one night, and
there was John and Yoko hailing a cab in
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the middle of 8th Avenue.
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So I pull over.
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Get in the car. What are you doing?
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Geez, you're a beetle. You're running
around, you know, hailing cabs on 8th
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Avenue.
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The village sucked you in because there
was so much political energy.
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It was...
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What everybody was consumed with, it
seemed.
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People would be standing on the corner.
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You know, there would be a big Nixon
discussion all of a sudden would break
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you know, on something that happened in
the war, maybe that day in the papers.
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And I know John and Yoko, that was so
much a part of what their whole New York
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thing was about.
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New York was a lot easier for them.
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Because they were treated so badly in
England, they had very, you know, bad
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feelings about that, because John
admired Yoko, and the press totally
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apart and made fun of her.
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We really get hurt by abuse. We don't
mind criticism of our work at all. But,
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mean, the British press actually called
Yoko ugly in the papers, and I've never
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seen that about any woman or man, even
if a person is ugly.
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You don't normally sort of say it in the
paper, you know, that ugly woman, and
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she's not ugly, and if she was...
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You wouldn't be so mean. They even say
attractive about the most awful -looking
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people, just to be kind.
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When I first landed in London, I was
invited by the Destruction Arts
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Anyone who's interested could come up on
the stage and try to fly off from these
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ladders.
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And it was a sort of very artsy crowd of
people. They, what, they accepted me.
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It was great.
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But once I became connected with John,
it was a different story. All the people
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who used to like me were just kind of
looking away.
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John was a Beatle, you know, he was a
pop star.
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And then suddenly he was with this
crazy, outlandish, avant -garde artist,
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they were sending acorns to all the
world leaders. Like, how is that going
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bring peace?
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Why the bag?
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Because we believe it's total
communication.
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And they were in bags, and how is that
going to help anybody?
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All we're saying is give peace a chance.
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Well, if the least we can do is give
somebody a laugh, we're willing to be
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world's clowns. They were just a
messenger.
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You know, and the fact that they were
sitting in bed and talking about hair,
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that just made it funny and interesting.
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But the whole idea was to get that word
peace in front of everybody's mind.
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I don't go along with the message
because you're Japanese or whatever. I
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it's because you are an unorthodox
figure.
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People were not very happy with John
either. They felt that John went crazy.
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And we both suffered together.
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And that kept us so close.
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Oh, my love, for the first time in my
life,
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my eyes are wide open.
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I want to love this country because this
is my husband's country. But I'll be a
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masochist if I love this country, when
I'm constantly abused, you know,
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whatever.
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And I've never experienced anything like
that. And that was true with John, too.
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It was sort of inhuman.
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Oh, I feel loved Everything is clear
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in our world But there's an incredible
romanticism about being refugees.
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We just felt like we returned to our
motherland kind of thing, which is New
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York, you know, because we really felt
that...
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Well, we're on the same page with New
Yorkers, and we were New Yorkers in our
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heads, you know.
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When
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we
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came to New York, the first people we
got in touch with was Abby Hoffman and
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Jerry Rubin.
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When we were in London every night, we
were watching TV.
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And we saw Abby and Jerry doing their
thing in Chicago, the Chicago 7 doing
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their thing in front of the judge, you
know.
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I got a lot of different emotions when I
hear this guy, Pearson.
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One is I feel like vomiting because it's
so nauseating. Because this is the man
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that they're trying to use to put all of
us in the federal penitentiary for 10
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years.
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Wow, great, they like us.
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And also, we were not only activists,
but we had the kind of little touch of
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theater.
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Well, I have a good seat, and it's
unbelievable theater, great show.
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Abby and Jerry completely incorporated
the Marshall McLuhan notion in that all
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that was needed was to seize control of
the platform provided by television and
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music.
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and you would electrify and mobilize
millions and millions of young people,
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that was the way to subvert the system.
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So they were trying to actively recruit
John Lennon because they knew that he
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could turn on millions of people.
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So you're suddenly in New York City now,
as you were just saying that.
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What are, first of all, your immediate
plans for the future?
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Shortly we'll be going to a...
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A political meeting for John Sinclair,
who was a man that was put in prison for
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ten years for smoking two marijuana
joints.
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In Louisiana.
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In Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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And we've written a special song called
John Sinclair, which we'll sing at that
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performance. Hello, hello. Hello, hello.
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One,
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two, three, four.
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John has come out in the middle of this
explosive era.
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And he makes the John Sinclair rally a
huge event. 10 ,000, 20 ,000 people show
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up in Ann Arbor. We came here not only
to help John and to spotlight
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what's going on, but also to show and to
say to all of you that
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apathy isn't it, and that we can do
something.
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Okay, so flower power didn't work, so
what?
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We start again.
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Lenin had learned that the anti -war
movement was exhausted and despairing.
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Because all the people that say that the
movement, the revolution is over, they
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ought to see what's going on right here
because it doesn't look over to me.
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People are feeling weaker and more
powerless.
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People forget that a war that brings
home 100 to 300 dead bodies a week
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is particularly urgent the killing is
monotonous and by 67 68 it's it's
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hundreds a week that are dead so it
incites a now or never mentality that
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this is it we have to step up we have to
end this and gradualism is
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inappropriate so we have to block the
war machine by whatever means are
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available
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When do we get it? Now!
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We have adopted a plan which we have
worked out in cooperation with the South
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Vietnamese for the complete withdrawal
of all U .S. combat ground forces and
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their replacement by South Vietnamese
forces on an orderly scheduled time
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period.
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In 1971, the sense was that if the
American war machine escalates its war,
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we have to escalate our tactics.
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And the solution was more militants.
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We must move from protest to resistance.
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That was Logan, and that was the world
into which Lenin stepped when he arrived
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in the United States in 1971.
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I read somewhere that the war movement
was over.
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They thought that it had all come undone
with the killings at Kent State in
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1970.
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Remember, the largest student strike in
the history of the United States stopped
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everything on campuses. Many schools did
not complete the semester in the spring
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of 1970.
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So they already thought they were
looking at an imminent revolution.
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led by students and blacks.
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And then here comes John Lennon to add
his luster and lyric to the uprising.
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It's an exciting and optimistic moment,
and the most amazing thing of all is 48
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hours later, John Sinclair gets out of
jail, something no one thought would
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happen. So John and Yoko, Jerry and
Abby, they're just feeling triumphant.
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only do they have a great concert, they
got John Sinclair out of jail.
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It seems like at this moment, anything
is possible.
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like a magical mystery tour has begun,
that somehow if John Lennon shows up, he
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so changes the equation that a man in
prison is released. So you can imagine,
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you know, with the addition of chemical
substances, what this did to the yippy
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mind. You know, the possibilities were
infinite.
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We need John to help us rise up like a
hurricane, to sweep this man Nixon and
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his war makers into the sea.
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We need John.
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Jerry and Abby and Rennie Davis have an
idea.
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Actually, it's quite a good idea.
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London should lead a national concert
tour that will bring not just the rock
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roll, but an anti -war message and voter
registration across the United States.
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Now, this voter registration thing is
actually the key because...
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72 was going to be the first election in
which 18 -year -olds had the right to
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vote. So the question was, how can we
get 18 -year -olds to register to vote,
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vote against Nixon, vote for peace?
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And the idea was, well, Lenin will tell
them to do this, and we'll have voter
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registration right at the concerts.
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And this would have been the first tour
of the United States by any of the ex
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-Beatles since...
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The Beatles' final American tour when
they waved farewell in Candlestick Park
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1966.
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Six years, no Beatles. This would have
been big.
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They knew that he could turn on millions
of people.
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And I remember going to the woods
outside of Washington for a meeting that
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thought was secret with Rennie Davis,
which shows up in the FBI files.
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at which he tried to incorporate me into
this scheme for the John Lennon
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speaking tour.
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Turns out that among the 20 ,000 people
in Chrysler Arena that night, there's a
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FBI undercover agent who's taking
complete notes on what everybody says,
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down every word Lennon says, the lyrics
to Lennon's song. He writes down, John
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Sinclair, it ain't fair in the stir for
breathing air. This report.
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get sent to J. Edgar Hoover.
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The FBI's ostensible reason for being
interested in this is they're supposed
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protect the president at the Republican
National Convention, and these people
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are talking about protest
demonstrations.
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The same people who caused all those
problems in Chicago in 68, and now
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talking about doing it again, but with
John Lennon in the front.
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So they've got to be stopped.
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Of course, John wouldn't do it in the
way that Jerry and Abby wanted to do
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things.
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But in his way, he was really trying to
make it happen about McGovern to be
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the next president and also that we are
heading towards peace.
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So we were trying to, with our effort,
we can make it.
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The Nixon White House decided they've
got to be stopped.
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And so the word gets passed.
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through the FBI to Senator Strom
Thurmond, a Republican of South
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And he writes a memo to Nixon's Attorney
General, John Mitchell.
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And the Strom Thurmond memo concludes,
Lenin is planning to do this, but
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deportation would be a strategic
countermeasure.
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A couple of weeks later, they begin
deportation proceedings against John
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I know we're going to end up with that
clean, clean fucking recorded sound,
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which I hate.
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Two, three, four.
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It was Jerry Rubin that introduced us to
John Lennon.
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He just showed up one night. He wasn't
invited. He just came in and he said,
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really like to meet the band.
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And my jaw just dropped.
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We had a lot of street bands. The
Elephant's Memory is known as a
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of street band. I think we fueled the
energy of everyone in the village on it.
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We were the movement band.
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Whenever there was a rally or a benefit,
we were there.
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We were playing, and at one point he
looks at me and goes like this.
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And I realize that I'm playing there,
and I'm like...
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So he looked and gave me the face, you
know. And then I realized I have to
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being cool.
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Jerry brought a cassette tape of
Elephant's Memory and said, listen to
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we listened to it. It's great.
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It's just, you know, they had a soul.
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I can capsulize it in one word, energy.
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There was just an unbelievable amount of
energy emulated from the band.
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Play some treble, Jack.
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Play some top.
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Play.
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They were crazy musicians.
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They just went on and on and on, and
John was part of them. He loved them.
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They were a village -type recorder.
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They should have been in the garage
recording, you know, with two
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but we tried to do it in the studio, and
when we did make it clean, nobody liked
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it. So we had to go back into, you know,
add the dirtiest sound we could get,
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which is easy to get.
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But we had to catch them the first two
hours of the recording, because they
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would never, never land after that.
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I think you understand.
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It wasn't too long, maybe a week and a
half of rehearsing at the most, when
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Woman is the Nigger of the World
started, where I heard the first words
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there was a new tune.
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John came in with the lyrics, and we
went into the room to the piano, and he
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said, here's the song. And he started
strumming.
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Woman is the nigger of the world.
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Woman is the nigger of the world.
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And I said, what?
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Woman is the nigger of the world.
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That's amazing.
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You're going to say that? Yeah.
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So he put it out, and...
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I don't think most of the radio stations
would play it. And we got taken off the
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air for using dope as a lyric.
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So, you know, putting a nigger with a,
you know, you can't even say that today.
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I understand what he was saying, but I
guess I was kind of naive, you know, in
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terms of how the media might look at all
that stuff.
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It was 1972.
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Nixon was still president.
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We're actually on the Dick Cavett show,
and then I realized, ooh, I guess this
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is not going to go well in terms of
they're going to really get on his case
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about some of this stuff.
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Will you welcome, please, John and Yoko
Plano.
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I had John and Yoko on, and Sue said,
we're going to write a little insert
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before the song for you to say. I said,
you are going to censor?
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My guests, after I get them on the show,
this is ludicrous.
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John and Yoko got into something which
ABC feels may develop into, in their
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words, a highly controversial issue.
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So they wrote this thing, and I went in
and taped it in order to retain the
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song. In the next segment, John Lennon
gives his reasons for writing the song
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and for using the word.
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This is a song about the women's
problem. It was written by Yoko and I.
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And the song is called Woman is the
Nigger of the World.
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And obviously there was a few people
that reacted strangely to it, but
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they were white and male.
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Because a lot of stations were saying,
well, we're not going to play this
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because it says nigger and a white man
shouldn't say it.
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And then the chairman of the Black
Caucus, that great guy, Congressman Ron
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Dellums, Democrat of California, says
here, he came out with this, which is
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fantastic.
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If you define niggers as someone whose
lifestyle is defined by others, whose
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opportunities are defined by others,
whose role in society is defined by
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then good news. You don't have to be
black to be a nigger in this society.
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Most of the people in America are
niggers.
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I didn't say that.
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Oh, my goodness.
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We're navigating now.
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About 600 protests did come in.
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None of them about the song. All of them
about, quote, that mealy -mouthed
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statement you forced Dick to say before
the show. Don't you believe we are grown
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up? Oh, God.
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It was wonderful in that sense. It gave
me hope for the Republic.
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Tell them about the case and everything.
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See, we're really frightened now because
there's some people feel that
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we have to maybe leave this country.
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The Nixon administration, in its finite
wisdom, wanted John booted out of the
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country. I didn't realize quite the
seriousness of it and what an awful
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burden it was for both of them. We went
to an immigration lawyer who knew about
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immigration, and he has really been
surprised, because he worked in
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15 years, he's really been surprised by
some of the things that have gone on.
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John told me that he had a conviction of
possessing hash.
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back in London about four years earlier.
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So I asked him, what is hash?
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I said, is it marijuana?
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He said, no, it's much better than
marijuana.
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He said, it's related, but it is a
completely different substance.
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So I knew right away that there was
something to hang my hat on.
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The immigration office said, well, this
is only because of the drug case, you
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know, and nothing else.
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But the strange thing is people like
Donovan, Keith Richard, Mick Jagger,
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Harrison, all have exactly the same
record around the same time. And they
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come and go any time they can. It was.
He was a headhunter.
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What is it they're after you for?
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They're after us because we want peace.
We've said the same thing for two years,
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different one way or another.
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And we believe in it.
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My recommendation was that they apply
immediately for an extension for about
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months or so on their visa.
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I went to see my old friend, the
district director of immigration in New
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because I felt that he could grant an
extension on the spot.
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And he said that he will look into it.
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We better go in. We're late. We'll see
you when we come out if you want.
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We talked to you when you came out? We
have a number of matters that we have to
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take care of.
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The next day, he called me back, and he
said, Leon, we want your clients out of
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the United States.
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I didn't know who he meant by we.
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He said, because it's you, if you file
an application for an
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extension, I'll grant a month's
extension.
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But then...
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Get them the hell out of the United
States. You said before that you love
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York and you want to stay here. A lot of
people are turned off of New York. What
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do you like about it? Well, I've met a
lot of New Yorkers who complain about
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but nobody moves out.
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It's the greatest place on earth. And if
this was Rome, I want to live in Rome,
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not in Wales.
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It is Rome, you know. I've heard a lot
of legal proceedings, but I don't think
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ever heard so many confusing terms. Did
you understand anything that was said up
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there? Not really.
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Well, ask that lawyer.
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I just know we're still here and nobody
drives.
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We had an expression in the 60s that
just because you're paranoid doesn't
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you're not being followed.
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Yes, we were all paranoid, but yes, we
were being followed.
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I had a peripheral role being a
photographer and yet there were several
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instances where I was followed and
didn't realize it so much at the time
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it would be the furthest thing from my
mind to think that I was doing something
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that the federal government would be
interested in.
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That I came out of my studio one time
and I looked at the street and I saw
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somebody take my picture.
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It kind of turned away, and I looked
back when I realized somebody had taken
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picture, and it was a guy in a fedora
hat. They looked like G -men, and he
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of ducked down, and they drove down the
street really fast, and I knew I had
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seen it. And I thought, like, what the
hell was that?
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I saw the guy on my phone. Those FBI
guys were in the basement of my building
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for the whole time we were recording.
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I would see them. They knew I knew they
were there. I would come in. I would
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ring my buzzer, and they were in.
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around the stairs in the back, and they
had their little tape machine set up,
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and I could hear the click on my phone
every time I picked it up, so it wasn't
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hard to figure out. Pretty unnerving,
actually, at the time.
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More so from my wife, I think she, at
the time, she was very paranoid about
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that. Who wouldn't be?
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When it first started, I was followed in
the car, and my phone was tapped.
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And I think they wanted me to know to
scare me, and I was scared, paranoid.
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You can imagine John Lennon says his
phones tapped and there's men following
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car. And people thought I was crazy
then. I mean, they do anyway, but I
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more so, you know, Lennon. Oh, you big
-headed maniac, right?
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Who's going to follow you around? Well,
what do they want? You know, that's what
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I'm saying. What do they want? They
wanted to make it obvious so that we
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get scared.
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They wanted to shut us up.
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They were trying to intimidate them.
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They were trying to scare them into
leaving the United States.
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I did feel bad.
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I did try to advise them to lay low.
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But this was John and Yoko.
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When we did Sometime in New York City,
we were doing a newspaper.
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In other words, mistakes, a little
harmony wasn't perfect. We didn't go
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perfect every note. We just printed it
out, you know, to make a statement on
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society right now, right away, and no
BS.
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Just say it. I think this is wrong.
That's right. This is my opinion.
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This has ended up with the worst ever
confrontation between the army and the
455
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Catholic people of the Craig and the
Kambodscha.
456
00:32:49,479 --> 00:32:51,820
Sometimes in New York City, that was
outrageous.
457
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:59,040
We just went totally against what was
acceptable in the music world or the
458
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920
and roll world. We were just getting to
be like Bertolt Brecht.
459
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,320
John was getting very anxious about
getting this album out there.
460
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:43,980
It's going to be political. It's going
to be different for him.
461
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:47,320
This was really just in -your -face
politics.
462
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Politics was in the air those days. You
know, you couldn't avoid it, right?
463
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,860
She had Chairman Mao and Richard Nixon
dancing naked on the cover. It wasn't
464
00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:00,000
really their bodies, we just stuck their
heads on. We got into a lot of trouble,
465
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,100
that's all I know.
466
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,639
That was the record that really gave us
hell.
467
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,360
A lot of problems with that. And I don't
think we sold so much, you know. So I
468
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,139
don't think that people had the same
opinion with us.
469
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,540
I didn't really have time to think
about, you know, that it was such a
470
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:31,360
I realized that the political issue was
something that probably would hold the
471
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,360
album back.
472
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,840
He wasn't disappointed in us, but I
think he was disappointed in the
473
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:39,020
Are we on?
474
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,360
Yeah, anytime you're ready. Okay. Hi,
this is John Lennon. This is Yoko. The
475
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,580
-to -one benefit concert for the
children of Willowbrook is sold out, and
476
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:50,980
surprised me too. So we're announcing a
special matinee performance.
477
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:55,690
It's on the same day. It happens at 2 o
'clock. That's also Wednesday, the 30th
478
00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:57,090
of August. John? Yeah?
479
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:58,410
Let's do it again.
480
00:35:01,110 --> 00:35:02,130
Two, three, four!
481
00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:13,900
The idea for the one -to -one concert
came from Yoko Ono. I was a local
482
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:18,900
and in January 1972, I get the score
from Yoko. She tells me that she and
483
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,920
had been watching my coverage of the
awful conditions at the Willowbrook
484
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,500
School for the Mentally Retarded, and
that they wanted to get involved, and
485
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:27,500
maybe they could do something.
486
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:45,680
They started rehearsing for this concert
at Massachusetts Garden, and I remember
487
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,880
going into the rehearsal, and they would
play a couple of Elvis Presley, Bo
488
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,520
Diddley songs to warm up, and then he
started singing Cold Turkey or Imagine,
489
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,320
and it was suddenly, not this new friend
of ours, John, it was like, oh my God,
490
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,520
he's that guy, he's the Beatle. Listen
to that voice, that's the Beatle voice.
491
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,420
Imagine that it won't happen.
492
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:10,360
It'd be here, you'd cry.
493
00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:16,910
No hell below us,
494
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:22,830
above us only sky.
495
00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:32,590
Imagine all the people living
496
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:35,170
for today.
497
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:44,060
I think he thought of the one -to -one
concert as a rehearsal for the world
498
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:48,680
tour. And the only way to get around all
the green card thing was to do benefit
499
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,680
concerts.
500
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:56,060
This
501
00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:04,980
is
502
00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:06,240
what we had been building to.
503
00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:08,440
Here we were. We were playing with John
Lennon.
504
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,820
I want to tour the universe.
505
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:11,340
You gotta live.
506
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:13,940
You gotta love.
507
00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:17,180
You gotta be somebody.
508
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,220
You gotta show.
509
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:21,740
But it's hard.
510
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,480
You know it's hard.
511
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:29,480
Sometimes I feel like going down.
512
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:37,660
This was supposed to be our first show
of basically a...
513
00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:42,190
A national tour. We're starting to
assemble the gear. We're ordering best
514
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:44,590
made road cases. It's time to go out and
tour.
515
00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:49,650
It was just, we have to put it off
because I want to tend to this
516
00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:52,630
thing and get everything straight before
we go out.
517
00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:53,930
You gotta run.
518
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:56,730
You gotta hide.
519
00:37:57,950 --> 00:38:01,470
You gotta keep your woman satisfied.
520
00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:06,030
And we kept hanging on that. Hanging on
it. One week to the next.
521
00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:07,830
It's hard to get hard.
522
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:12,330
Sometimes I feel like going down.
523
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:21,690
Like at one time I had this group
together, Elephant's Memory and a few
524
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:25,270
people, and I was ready to go on the
road just for fun, you know. I didn't
525
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:27,490
whether I was going to get paid even. I
just felt like going out, you know.
526
00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:31,530
I had to send them away, you know, and
that put me off performing for a bit.
527
00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:33,010
then I still...
528
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:36,890
did my work, you know, because I can't
stop it even if I'm in a bad state of
529
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:39,630
mind. But it was affecting me, affecting
my whole life, actually.
530
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:42,150
At
531
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:50,190
the
532
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:54,670
time, I didn't think anything of it. We
were just doing a good concert to let
533
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:56,810
people know that peace is important.
534
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:58,810
Let's end this war.
535
00:38:59,810 --> 00:39:03,370
Now I realize this was when they were
trying to deport us.
536
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:04,670
Are we doing this?
537
00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:16,550
The reviews were great for
538
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:17,550
us as a band.
539
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:22,130
Unfortunately, the critics were very
tough on John and Yoko.
540
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:27,770
After the concert, we didn't see him for
a week after the reviews came out. He
541
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:28,770
was very upset.
542
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:32,350
John and I got off the stage. We hugged
each other.
543
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:34,390
A great thing we did.
544
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:38,270
The next morning, it's a bad, bad
review.
545
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:43,750
John never experienced that kind of a
bad situation before that.
546
00:39:44,050 --> 00:39:46,390
I think it weighed on him more than me.
547
00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:50,150
You know, just one thing was going wrong
after another.
548
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:54,470
John didn't take it very well at all.
The critics panned the album. The
549
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:58,010
panned the concert. They basically hated
it.
550
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:02,820
The Nixon administration issued a
deportation order to try to throw John
551
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:04,500
the country. He started getting legal
problems.
552
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,740
And John was really going into a dark
place.
553
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:21,580
President Nixon and his vice president,
Spiro Agnew, again headed the GOP ticket
554
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:22,580
in 72.
555
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,280
Solid Nixon country. West Virginia, a
surprise, going to the Republicans.
556
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:30,140
New Hampshire, not a surprise.
557
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,180
Maryland, Agnew's revenge back in the
Republican column.
558
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,220
We were in the studio, and somebody came
and said, Nixon won.
559
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,860
Gone tonight to the Republicans.
560
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Kansas, Connecticut, Texas, Michigan,
Delaware. We found out, I think at the
561
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,140
studio, if I remember correctly, that
Nixon had won, and I think that was the
562
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:50,138
end of the session.
563
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:51,480
It was just totally...
564
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,420
deflated everybody.
565
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:58,240
We all got very depressed. John
particularly was, you know, he took it
566
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:02,500
personally. We project that President
Nixon will come out of this the winner
567
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:09,460
with about 60 % of the popular vote and
somewhere between 450 and
568
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:12,360
500 or more electoral votes.
569
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,820
Congratulations on your victory.
570
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,140
That night particularly was pretty ugly.
571
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,240
We were invited down to Jerry Rubin's
house to watch the election returns, but
572
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:26,020
we didn't finish until pretty late at
night. And by the time we finished,
573
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:27,020
had already won.
574
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:30,840
But we went down to Jerry's house, and
there were still some people there. And
575
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,240
we were pretty drunk when we got there,
but then there was more drinking.
576
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,100
We were very rowdy, way too rowdy.
577
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:42,200
My wife had too much to drink. I just
wanted to leave.
578
00:41:46,259 --> 00:41:48,000
So it was time to bail for me.
579
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:56,700
So by the time that we were in a car to
go to Jerry Rubin's party, Joe was
580
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:57,700
swaying.
581
00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:05,460
And I think, you know, what happened
there, I totally understand.
582
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:11,220
You know, that he just pulled one girl
and went into the next room.
583
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:16,110
started to make love, I suppose.
584
00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:18,390
And there's big noise and everything.
585
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:25,630
And one of the elephant memory guys,
Stan, Stan
586
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:31,610
was very sweet. He just put Bob Dylan's
record on and sort of boosted up.
587
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:33,950
But it just didn't do any good.
588
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:37,450
But it was that kind of night.
589
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:40,150
And I felt very sad for myself.
590
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:41,890
I didn't like it.
591
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:44,810
But at the same time, I understood what
she was going through.
592
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:52,950
And when I hurt you And cause you pain
593
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:59,670
Darling, I promise I
594
00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:05,050
won't do it again The next day, we were
in the studio.
595
00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:07,470
Anton was still hungover. He looked...
596
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,980
Very sheepish, very remorseful. He knew
he had screwed up. He knew as many times
597
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:17,500
as you try to apologize, it didn't erase
the fact that he had embarrassed Yoko
598
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,080
so badly in front of everybody.
599
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,600
And we walked out on the docks by Bank
Street and just sort of sat there. And
600
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,780
coming back, we were taking some
pictures. There's one where John's on
601
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:29,040
kind of asking for forgiveness.
602
00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:32,700
She was still dealing with him, but it
wasn't okay.
603
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,220
It's hard enough, I know.
604
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:43,770
To feel, to feel your pain.
605
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:51,650
I really thought that there was an
incredible amount of anger in him. But
606
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:58,630
because he did not want to be separate
from me
607
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:59,630
at all.
608
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:06,470
So that we were together 24 hours a day,
literally.
609
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:10,660
I thought that was really getting to us,
maybe.
610
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:14,560
So I thought, well, we need some, you
know, separation.
611
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:23,360
For me, actually, you know, I was not
what I envisioned myself to be.
612
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,480
And in a situation like that, why should
I want to stay there?
613
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,700
And I just wanted to find myself.
614
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,700
So I thought it was good if he goes to L
.A.
615
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Just find himself or just have a rest
from the situation.
616
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,320
One thing I've understood.
617
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,760
Good morning, Southern California. It's
619 and 62 degrees in Hollywood.
618
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,620
This is John Lennon. And if you have any
requests, call me at 520 -1974.
619
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,140
I've been working with them for three
years. And one day, they said to me, you
620
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:30,380
know that John and I are not getting
along.
621
00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:35,000
And I'm looking at her and I said, Oh,
I'm really sorry to hear that.
622
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,820
And I'm thinking, why is she telling
this to me now?
623
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:45,160
I knew it would be very difficult for
him to just go to L .A. by himself, and
624
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,940
never did anything like that. So I felt
very responsible.
625
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:55,140
And so I wanted to make the trip as
comfortable as possible for him.
626
00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:00,220
Hey, it's Jay. This is Richard Dixon
here. Who's that?
627
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Oh, I'm Dana.
628
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Dana what?
629
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:04,480
Holden. Holden? Yeah.
630
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,080
Oh, hold on, Dana. Okay.
631
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,160
What's your request and why are we here?
632
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,080
I'd like to hear mind games.
633
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,820
You'd like to hear mind games? So would
I. Isn't that wonderful?
634
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:15,880
I'd like to play some, actually.
635
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,740
Well, it's time to wheel you away.
636
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:36,670
Before we left New York, I remember John
coming in to me and saying, I'm ready.
637
00:46:36,850 --> 00:46:39,790
I said, I looked at him, I said, what do
you mean? He goes, book the studio.
638
00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:42,610
I'm going to do it now or I'm never
going to do it.
639
00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:47,090
And he didn't have his songs ready yet.
But in two weeks he wrote Mind Games.
640
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:50,950
You know, you talk about somebody's
brilliant, I mean, it's just amazing.
641
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:55,050
He was a very, very powerful songwriter.
642
00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:00,350
He hears the chord structure, and
then...
643
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600
The words go around and around the block
for a while.
644
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,860
But
645
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:17,720
by the
646
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,320
time he gets to the studio, he has the
words written, and he's got maybe two
647
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,280
versions, and they go through changes
until the word and the sound of the word
648
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,520
match the sound of the chord and the
rhythm.
649
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:49,090
A lot of the writing happened in the
studio. While the musicians were
650
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:50,250
he would be changing lyrics.
651
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:54,630
I guess he got inspired by the band and
the studio atmosphere.
652
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,890
And John was just a very strong force of
a personality.
653
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:06,590
So when he spoke, you listened, you
know.
654
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:10,230
You could be in the other room and you
hear his voice. He's just such a
655
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:12,510
distinctive voice, singing and just
talking.
656
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,780
John was honest.
657
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,680
His lyrics were also very bluntly
honest.
658
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,100
Everything was right up front with him.
There was no mixing his words or being
659
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,320
diplomatic or beating around the bush.
And his songs were like that, too. He
660
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,440
came out and just...
661
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:52,170
Said it. I made you cry.
662
00:48:53,430 --> 00:49:00,070
Oh, well, I didn't want to hurt you. The
words he
663
00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:02,330
chooses are for everybody.
664
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:08,610
John talks of his problems, of the fight
he has with himself.
665
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:14,830
And that's what makes it so strong and
that's what people can relate to.
666
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,120
He projected himself. He projected his
guts.
667
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:27,780
And the way he played his guitar, same
thing.
57404
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