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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:15,500 I just want sashimi. 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,140 Yes. Kicho, 45th Street. 3 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:20,920 Look up in the phone book, Kicho. 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Say who it's for. 5 00:00:22,620 --> 00:00:23,880 Yoko Ono, not me. 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Say it's for Yoko. Otherwise, I don't get it. I want just sashimi, tuna, 7 00:00:30,020 --> 00:00:32,980 and sashimi. Just give me that raw fish. 8 00:00:33,860 --> 00:00:34,880 Just give me that. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,140 All ready, everybody? 10 00:00:41,420 --> 00:00:42,880 One, two. 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,220 One, two, three, four. 12 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:59,700 He was back in the studio doing what he loved. 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,120 He was probably the happiest person in the world. 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,980 He's a little kid in a candy store. He was having a ball. 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,580 And happy as hell to be singing again. 16 00:01:13,479 --> 00:01:16,320 And we would be in the middle of a good take, and if all of a sudden he just 17 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:18,980 felt like breaking into some lyric that would make everybody laugh and make 18 00:01:18,980 --> 00:01:19,980 mistakes, he'd just do it. 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,000 Okay, we'll try one more. 20 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,700 Okay, just really watch yourself after coming out of the Latin, because the 21 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:29,100 way I know is because I have to sing it fast at the same time. 22 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:34,020 It's after... Jessica, I'm pleased I'm so screwed. 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,960 And then everybody's coming... We're stepping out! 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,640 You see? So just lay back, you know. He's only stepping out. He's not 25 00:01:44,180 --> 00:01:48,060 We were nervous, not only for ourselves, but nervous about John. 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,560 If he would, having not been in the studio for five years, have his act 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,940 or not. 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,500 As far as all that went, he was totally together. 29 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:03,480 From the moment he picked his guitar up and said, right, here's a song. Let's 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,480 start with this one. 31 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,120 I'm stepping out. 32 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,780 I'm stepping out. 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,360 I'm stepping out. 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:24,000 How do you reinvent yourself if you were once a Beatle and defined by that 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 moment in time? 36 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:30,840 I suppose that New York offers you the opportunity to reinvent yourself. 37 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:35,540 If immigrants have come to New York for years and years in search of Lord knows 38 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:40,760 what, John Lennon isn't your typical immigrant, but John has come to find 39 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,520 something, and it seems that he's found it. 40 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:48,240 John would often say, I should have been born in New York City. 41 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:50,920 You know, he loved New York. 42 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,420 One of my biggest kicks is just going out to eat or going to the movies. 43 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:59,660 I'm doing things I couldn't do when I was in the middle of the Beatles stuff. 44 00:03:00,410 --> 00:03:03,130 And I really get off on that. And people, occasionally people ask for 45 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:07,190 autographs. I just want to shake hands is the coolest one that happens, which 46 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:11,710 cool with me. And I'm just known enough to keep my ego floating, but unknown 47 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:14,010 enough to get around, which is nice. 48 00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:22,690 We were at Hit Factory. He comes in. He's got the silver coat with the fur 49 00:03:22,690 --> 00:03:25,450 collar. He said, look at this. What do you think of this? 50 00:03:25,950 --> 00:03:26,950 I said. 51 00:03:27,450 --> 00:03:28,409 It's nice. 52 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:29,930 He said, it's the greatest ever. 53 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:32,950 I said, okay, John. I said, no. He said, let me tell you why it's amazing. 54 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:37,790 He said, you know Charivari? I said, sure. He said, I walked into Charivari. 55 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:41,510 I walked into the store. People were in there. I walked around. 56 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:43,350 I picked stuff up. 57 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:47,210 I tried a few things on. I went into the dressing room. 58 00:03:47,890 --> 00:03:48,890 Yeah. 59 00:03:48,990 --> 00:03:52,850 He said, then I saw this jacket. I liked it. I tried it on. It fit me. 60 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:55,810 Yeah. He said, I took out this. 61 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:59,070 Uh -huh, my American Express card, yeah. 62 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:02,130 I went over, I paid for it myself. 63 00:04:03,230 --> 00:04:04,430 And then I left. 64 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:06,350 No must, no fuss. 65 00:04:07,010 --> 00:04:09,010 The freedom, finally you had freedom. 66 00:04:09,930 --> 00:04:12,010 That was New York, that's why you loved it. 67 00:04:39,250 --> 00:04:45,970 New York City New York City 68 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:49,610 New York City 69 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:05,680 John and Yoko, we came to New York in 71, and they actually moved into Bank 70 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,100 Street literally half a block from my house in the village. 71 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:12,080 And everybody in the neighborhood, we all knew John and Yoko moved in, like 72 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,880 everybody heard through the grapevine. But, you know, we're in New York, you 73 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,540 don't go, it's not Beatlemania, you don't go knock on his door or scream 74 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:19,540 comes outside. 75 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:24,860 Bank Street was really the kind of place that I really wanted the apartment in. 76 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,540 It's a tiny apartment. 77 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,160 I think there was only two rooms. 78 00:05:30,990 --> 00:05:34,730 And we were not really bothered by people so much as in London. 79 00:05:55,020 --> 00:05:58,980 We actually lived in Greenwich Village, which is a sort of artsy -fartsy section 80 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,460 of town, for those who don't know, where all the students and the would -bes 81 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:04,740 live, you know, and a few old poets and that. 82 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,280 You know, people have lived there for years, you know, still live there. 83 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,920 New York came in the 1970s, was the art capital. 84 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:23,040 All the music happened in theatre, you know, Andy Warhol. 85 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,720 That was part of also Yoko Ono's life. 86 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,880 And John wanted to be connected with both worlds. 87 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,900 The village was great then. 88 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,200 A little risque sometimes, you know, before they cleaned up New York. 89 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,780 People on the street begging for money, and if you don't give them money, they 90 00:06:48,780 --> 00:06:49,780 would shoot you. 91 00:06:52,830 --> 00:06:57,650 Pulled out on 8th Avenue one night, and there was John and Yoko hailing a cab in 92 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:58,670 the middle of 8th Avenue. 93 00:06:59,470 --> 00:07:03,270 So I pull over. 94 00:07:03,810 --> 00:07:05,750 Get in the car. What are you doing? 95 00:07:06,250 --> 00:07:10,010 Geez, you're a beetle. You're running around, you know, hailing cabs on 8th 96 00:07:10,010 --> 00:07:11,010 Avenue. 97 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:17,970 The village sucked you in because there was so much political energy. 98 00:07:18,430 --> 00:07:19,430 It was... 99 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,500 What everybody was consumed with, it seemed. 100 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,940 People would be standing on the corner. 101 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:29,260 You know, there would be a big Nixon discussion all of a sudden would break 102 00:07:29,340 --> 00:07:33,640 you know, on something that happened in the war, maybe that day in the papers. 103 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,160 And I know John and Yoko, that was so much a part of what their whole New York 104 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,160 thing was about. 105 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:41,560 New York was a lot easier for them. 106 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,560 Because they were treated so badly in England, they had very, you know, bad 107 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,980 feelings about that, because John admired Yoko, and the press totally 108 00:07:49,980 --> 00:07:50,980 apart and made fun of her. 109 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:57,400 We really get hurt by abuse. We don't mind criticism of our work at all. But, 110 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,780 mean, the British press actually called Yoko ugly in the papers, and I've never 111 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:04,600 seen that about any woman or man, even if a person is ugly. 112 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:08,840 You don't normally sort of say it in the paper, you know, that ugly woman, and 113 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,620 she's not ugly, and if she was... 114 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:14,330 You wouldn't be so mean. They even say attractive about the most awful -looking 115 00:08:14,330 --> 00:08:15,470 people, just to be kind. 116 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:21,630 When I first landed in London, I was invited by the Destruction Arts 117 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:27,390 Anyone who's interested could come up on the stage and try to fly off from these 118 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:28,390 ladders. 119 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:34,730 And it was a sort of very artsy crowd of people. They, what, they accepted me. 120 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:35,850 It was great. 121 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:50,670 But once I became connected with John, it was a different story. All the people 122 00:08:50,670 --> 00:08:53,490 who used to like me were just kind of looking away. 123 00:08:54,810 --> 00:08:56,930 John was a Beatle, you know, he was a pop star. 124 00:08:57,330 --> 00:09:02,430 And then suddenly he was with this crazy, outlandish, avant -garde artist, 125 00:09:02,430 --> 00:09:05,470 they were sending acorns to all the world leaders. Like, how is that going 126 00:09:05,470 --> 00:09:06,470 bring peace? 127 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:08,030 Why the bag? 128 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:10,710 Because we believe it's total communication. 129 00:09:11,890 --> 00:09:14,850 And they were in bags, and how is that going to help anybody? 130 00:09:15,370 --> 00:09:17,370 All we're saying is give peace a chance. 131 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:20,950 Well, if the least we can do is give somebody a laugh, we're willing to be 132 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:23,190 world's clowns. They were just a messenger. 133 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:26,290 You know, and the fact that they were sitting in bed and talking about hair, 134 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:27,710 that just made it funny and interesting. 135 00:09:28,030 --> 00:09:31,270 But the whole idea was to get that word peace in front of everybody's mind. 136 00:09:32,950 --> 00:09:36,570 I don't go along with the message because you're Japanese or whatever. I 137 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:38,510 it's because you are an unorthodox figure. 138 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:42,870 People were not very happy with John either. They felt that John went crazy. 139 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:44,910 And we both suffered together. 140 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:47,590 And that kept us so close. 141 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:53,690 Oh, my love, for the first time in my life, 142 00:09:53,890 --> 00:09:59,230 my eyes are wide open. 143 00:10:01,650 --> 00:10:05,650 I want to love this country because this is my husband's country. But I'll be a 144 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:08,930 masochist if I love this country, when I'm constantly abused, you know, 145 00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:09,950 whatever. 146 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:16,480 And I've never experienced anything like that. And that was true with John, too. 147 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:18,680 It was sort of inhuman. 148 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:25,520 Oh, I feel loved Everything is clear 149 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:31,840 in our world But there's an incredible romanticism about being refugees. 150 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,180 We just felt like we returned to our motherland kind of thing, which is New 151 00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:38,480 York, you know, because we really felt that... 152 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,620 Well, we're on the same page with New Yorkers, and we were New Yorkers in our 153 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:44,620 heads, you know. 154 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:54,120 When 155 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:02,740 we 156 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:06,840 came to New York, the first people we got in touch with was Abby Hoffman and 157 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,840 Jerry Rubin. 158 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:14,300 When we were in London every night, we were watching TV. 159 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:22,640 And we saw Abby and Jerry doing their thing in Chicago, the Chicago 7 doing 160 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,120 their thing in front of the judge, you know. 161 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,700 I got a lot of different emotions when I hear this guy, Pearson. 162 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,240 One is I feel like vomiting because it's so nauseating. Because this is the man 163 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,380 that they're trying to use to put all of us in the federal penitentiary for 10 164 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:38,380 years. 165 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,020 Wow, great, they like us. 166 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:45,800 And also, we were not only activists, but we had the kind of little touch of 167 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:46,800 theater. 168 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,640 Well, I have a good seat, and it's unbelievable theater, great show. 169 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:59,940 Abby and Jerry completely incorporated the Marshall McLuhan notion in that all 170 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:06,540 that was needed was to seize control of the platform provided by television and 171 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:07,540 music. 172 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:13,270 and you would electrify and mobilize millions and millions of young people, 173 00:12:13,270 --> 00:12:15,990 that was the way to subvert the system. 174 00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:21,590 So they were trying to actively recruit John Lennon because they knew that he 175 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:23,050 could turn on millions of people. 176 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:27,290 So you're suddenly in New York City now, as you were just saying that. 177 00:12:27,610 --> 00:12:30,070 What are, first of all, your immediate plans for the future? 178 00:12:30,390 --> 00:12:31,870 Shortly we'll be going to a... 179 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,860 A political meeting for John Sinclair, who was a man that was put in prison for 180 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:37,880 ten years for smoking two marijuana joints. 181 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:39,179 In Louisiana. 182 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:40,960 In Ann Arbor, Michigan. 183 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:48,800 And we've written a special song called John Sinclair, which we'll sing at that 184 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,040 performance. Hello, hello. Hello, hello. 185 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:52,740 One, 186 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:54,820 two, three, four. 187 00:12:56,380 --> 00:13:00,080 John has come out in the middle of this explosive era. 188 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,940 And he makes the John Sinclair rally a huge event. 10 ,000, 20 ,000 people show 189 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:12,680 up in Ann Arbor. We came here not only to help John and to spotlight 190 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:18,940 what's going on, but also to show and to say to all of you that 191 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:22,900 apathy isn't it, and that we can do something. 192 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:25,660 Okay, so flower power didn't work, so what? 193 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:27,420 We start again. 194 00:13:28,130 --> 00:13:33,650 Lenin had learned that the anti -war movement was exhausted and despairing. 195 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:36,850 Because all the people that say that the movement, the revolution is over, they 196 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:39,450 ought to see what's going on right here because it doesn't look over to me. 197 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:43,050 People are feeling weaker and more powerless. 198 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:56,290 People forget that a war that brings home 100 to 300 dead bodies a week 199 00:13:56,830 --> 00:14:03,790 is particularly urgent the killing is monotonous and by 67 68 it's it's 200 00:14:03,790 --> 00:14:10,650 hundreds a week that are dead so it incites a now or never mentality that 201 00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:16,890 this is it we have to step up we have to end this and gradualism is 202 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:23,770 inappropriate so we have to block the war machine by whatever means are 203 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:24,770 available 204 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,320 When do we get it? Now! 205 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,200 We have adopted a plan which we have worked out in cooperation with the South 206 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:40,620 Vietnamese for the complete withdrawal of all U .S. combat ground forces and 207 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:45,400 their replacement by South Vietnamese forces on an orderly scheduled time 208 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,400 period. 209 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:59,800 In 1971, the sense was that if the American war machine escalates its war, 210 00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:02,000 we have to escalate our tactics. 211 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:05,020 And the solution was more militants. 212 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:08,540 We must move from protest to resistance. 213 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:13,360 That was Logan, and that was the world into which Lenin stepped when he arrived 214 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,060 in the United States in 1971. 215 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,680 I read somewhere that the war movement was over. 216 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:36,130 They thought that it had all come undone with the killings at Kent State in 217 00:15:36,130 --> 00:15:37,130 1970. 218 00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:43,390 Remember, the largest student strike in the history of the United States stopped 219 00:15:43,390 --> 00:15:49,110 everything on campuses. Many schools did not complete the semester in the spring 220 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:50,110 of 1970. 221 00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:54,230 So they already thought they were looking at an imminent revolution. 222 00:15:55,950 --> 00:15:57,410 led by students and blacks. 223 00:15:57,670 --> 00:16:03,310 And then here comes John Lennon to add his luster and lyric to the uprising. 224 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,600 It's an exciting and optimistic moment, and the most amazing thing of all is 48 225 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,300 hours later, John Sinclair gets out of jail, something no one thought would 226 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:05,339 happen. So John and Yoko, Jerry and Abby, they're just feeling triumphant. 227 00:17:05,339 --> 00:17:08,640 only do they have a great concert, they got John Sinclair out of jail. 228 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,380 It seems like at this moment, anything is possible. 229 00:17:18,170 --> 00:17:24,410 like a magical mystery tour has begun, that somehow if John Lennon shows up, he 230 00:17:24,410 --> 00:17:31,250 so changes the equation that a man in prison is released. So you can imagine, 231 00:17:31,370 --> 00:17:37,490 you know, with the addition of chemical substances, what this did to the yippy 232 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:40,550 mind. You know, the possibilities were infinite. 233 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:47,940 We need John to help us rise up like a hurricane, to sweep this man Nixon and 234 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:50,020 his war makers into the sea. 235 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,460 We need John. 236 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:55,140 Jerry and Abby and Rennie Davis have an idea. 237 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,980 Actually, it's quite a good idea. 238 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:02,540 London should lead a national concert tour that will bring not just the rock 239 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:07,060 roll, but an anti -war message and voter registration across the United States. 240 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,120 Now, this voter registration thing is actually the key because... 241 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:16,700 72 was going to be the first election in which 18 -year -olds had the right to 242 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:21,840 vote. So the question was, how can we get 18 -year -olds to register to vote, 243 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:23,940 vote against Nixon, vote for peace? 244 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,700 And the idea was, well, Lenin will tell them to do this, and we'll have voter 245 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,200 registration right at the concerts. 246 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,940 And this would have been the first tour of the United States by any of the ex 247 00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:36,520 -Beatles since... 248 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:41,960 The Beatles' final American tour when they waved farewell in Candlestick Park 249 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,960 1966. 250 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,120 Six years, no Beatles. This would have been big. 251 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,880 They knew that he could turn on millions of people. 252 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:57,340 And I remember going to the woods outside of Washington for a meeting that 253 00:18:57,340 --> 00:19:02,620 thought was secret with Rennie Davis, which shows up in the FBI files. 254 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:09,860 at which he tried to incorporate me into this scheme for the John Lennon 255 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,040 speaking tour. 256 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,160 Turns out that among the 20 ,000 people in Chrysler Arena that night, there's a 257 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,640 FBI undercover agent who's taking complete notes on what everybody says, 258 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,940 down every word Lennon says, the lyrics to Lennon's song. He writes down, John 259 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:31,440 Sinclair, it ain't fair in the stir for breathing air. This report. 260 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:33,770 get sent to J. Edgar Hoover. 261 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:38,670 The FBI's ostensible reason for being interested in this is they're supposed 262 00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:43,310 protect the president at the Republican National Convention, and these people 263 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:45,970 are talking about protest demonstrations. 264 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:51,370 The same people who caused all those problems in Chicago in 68, and now 265 00:19:51,370 --> 00:19:54,430 talking about doing it again, but with John Lennon in the front. 266 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:57,330 So they've got to be stopped. 267 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Of course, John wouldn't do it in the way that Jerry and Abby wanted to do 268 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,800 things. 269 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:14,720 But in his way, he was really trying to make it happen about McGovern to be 270 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,680 the next president and also that we are heading towards peace. 271 00:20:21,780 --> 00:20:25,280 So we were trying to, with our effort, we can make it. 272 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,620 The Nixon White House decided they've got to be stopped. 273 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,760 And so the word gets passed. 274 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:37,560 through the FBI to Senator Strom Thurmond, a Republican of South 275 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,340 And he writes a memo to Nixon's Attorney General, John Mitchell. 276 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,040 And the Strom Thurmond memo concludes, Lenin is planning to do this, but 277 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,440 deportation would be a strategic countermeasure. 278 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:56,560 A couple of weeks later, they begin deportation proceedings against John 279 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,320 I know we're going to end up with that clean, clean fucking recorded sound, 280 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,400 which I hate. 281 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,440 Two, three, four. 282 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,860 It was Jerry Rubin that introduced us to John Lennon. 283 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:31,640 He just showed up one night. He wasn't invited. He just came in and he said, 284 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,160 really like to meet the band. 285 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,180 And my jaw just dropped. 286 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:42,570 We had a lot of street bands. The Elephant's Memory is known as a 287 00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:47,790 of street band. I think we fueled the energy of everyone in the village on it. 288 00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:50,250 We were the movement band. 289 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:54,830 Whenever there was a rally or a benefit, we were there. 290 00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:58,670 We were playing, and at one point he looks at me and goes like this. 291 00:21:59,530 --> 00:22:01,950 And I realize that I'm playing there, and I'm like... 292 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:06,630 So he looked and gave me the face, you know. And then I realized I have to 293 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:07,630 being cool. 294 00:22:13,670 --> 00:22:18,490 Jerry brought a cassette tape of Elephant's Memory and said, listen to 295 00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:19,650 we listened to it. It's great. 296 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:22,590 It's just, you know, they had a soul. 297 00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:25,590 I can capsulize it in one word, energy. 298 00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:30,670 There was just an unbelievable amount of energy emulated from the band. 299 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,980 Play some treble, Jack. 300 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:34,860 Play some top. 301 00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:37,020 Play. 302 00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:43,960 They were crazy musicians. 303 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:48,560 They just went on and on and on, and John was part of them. He loved them. 304 00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:50,520 They were a village -type recorder. 305 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,900 They should have been in the garage recording, you know, with two 306 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,960 but we tried to do it in the studio, and when we did make it clean, nobody liked 307 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:04,010 it. So we had to go back into, you know, add the dirtiest sound we could get, 308 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:05,050 which is easy to get. 309 00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:11,770 But we had to catch them the first two hours of the recording, because they 310 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:13,350 would never, never land after that. 311 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:17,030 I think you understand. 312 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:23,690 It wasn't too long, maybe a week and a half of rehearsing at the most, when 313 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:28,830 Woman is the Nigger of the World started, where I heard the first words 314 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:29,830 there was a new tune. 315 00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:34,470 John came in with the lyrics, and we went into the room to the piano, and he 316 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:36,830 said, here's the song. And he started strumming. 317 00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:40,430 Woman is the nigger of the world. 318 00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:44,830 Woman is the nigger of the world. 319 00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:48,050 And I said, what? 320 00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:51,410 Woman is the nigger of the world. 321 00:23:52,550 --> 00:23:53,990 That's amazing. 322 00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:55,450 You're going to say that? Yeah. 323 00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:58,930 So he put it out, and... 324 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:02,770 I don't think most of the radio stations would play it. And we got taken off the 325 00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:05,050 air for using dope as a lyric. 326 00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:09,090 So, you know, putting a nigger with a, you know, you can't even say that today. 327 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:16,070 I understand what he was saying, but I guess I was kind of naive, you know, in 328 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:18,430 terms of how the media might look at all that stuff. 329 00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:19,910 It was 1972. 330 00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:22,190 Nixon was still president. 331 00:24:30,550 --> 00:24:35,150 We're actually on the Dick Cavett show, and then I realized, ooh, I guess this 332 00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:39,050 is not going to go well in terms of they're going to really get on his case 333 00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:40,210 about some of this stuff. 334 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:43,730 Will you welcome, please, John and Yoko Plano. 335 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:49,330 I had John and Yoko on, and Sue said, we're going to write a little insert 336 00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:53,950 before the song for you to say. I said, you are going to censor? 337 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:58,500 My guests, after I get them on the show, this is ludicrous. 338 00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:02,420 John and Yoko got into something which ABC feels may develop into, in their 339 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:04,200 words, a highly controversial issue. 340 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:08,660 So they wrote this thing, and I went in and taped it in order to retain the 341 00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:12,420 song. In the next segment, John Lennon gives his reasons for writing the song 342 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:13,720 and for using the word. 343 00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:26,280 This is a song about the women's problem. It was written by Yoko and I. 344 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,720 And the song is called Woman is the Nigger of the World. 345 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:32,540 And obviously there was a few people that reacted strangely to it, but 346 00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:33,760 they were white and male. 347 00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:36,940 Because a lot of stations were saying, well, we're not going to play this 348 00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:39,800 because it says nigger and a white man shouldn't say it. 349 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,280 And then the chairman of the Black Caucus, that great guy, Congressman Ron 350 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,620 Dellums, Democrat of California, says here, he came out with this, which is 351 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:49,620 fantastic. 352 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,820 If you define niggers as someone whose lifestyle is defined by others, whose 353 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:57,980 opportunities are defined by others, whose role in society is defined by 354 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:02,080 then good news. You don't have to be black to be a nigger in this society. 355 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:04,120 Most of the people in America are niggers. 356 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:06,780 I didn't say that. 357 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,540 Oh, my goodness. 358 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:12,660 We're navigating now. 359 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,660 About 600 protests did come in. 360 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,260 None of them about the song. All of them about, quote, that mealy -mouthed 361 00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:27,820 statement you forced Dick to say before the show. Don't you believe we are grown 362 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:28,820 up? Oh, God. 363 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,520 It was wonderful in that sense. It gave me hope for the Republic. 364 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,160 Tell them about the case and everything. 365 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:42,340 See, we're really frightened now because there's some people feel that 366 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:44,420 we have to maybe leave this country. 367 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,480 The Nixon administration, in its finite wisdom, wanted John booted out of the 368 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,820 country. I didn't realize quite the seriousness of it and what an awful 369 00:26:55,820 --> 00:27:00,120 burden it was for both of them. We went to an immigration lawyer who knew about 370 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,660 immigration, and he has really been surprised, because he worked in 371 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,820 15 years, he's really been surprised by some of the things that have gone on. 372 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,740 John told me that he had a conviction of possessing hash. 373 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,520 back in London about four years earlier. 374 00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:18,520 So I asked him, what is hash? 375 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,040 I said, is it marijuana? 376 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:22,880 He said, no, it's much better than marijuana. 377 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:28,820 He said, it's related, but it is a completely different substance. 378 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:35,100 So I knew right away that there was something to hang my hat on. 379 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:39,620 The immigration office said, well, this is only because of the drug case, you 380 00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:40,700 know, and nothing else. 381 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:47,180 But the strange thing is people like Donovan, Keith Richard, Mick Jagger, 382 00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:52,040 Harrison, all have exactly the same record around the same time. And they 383 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,980 come and go any time they can. It was. He was a headhunter. 384 00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:58,960 What is it they're after you for? 385 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:02,620 They're after us because we want peace. We've said the same thing for two years, 386 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:03,840 different one way or another. 387 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080 And we believe in it. 388 00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:10,890 My recommendation was that they apply immediately for an extension for about 389 00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:12,490 months or so on their visa. 390 00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:20,150 I went to see my old friend, the district director of immigration in New 391 00:28:20,290 --> 00:28:24,170 because I felt that he could grant an extension on the spot. 392 00:28:24,910 --> 00:28:27,850 And he said that he will look into it. 393 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,320 We better go in. We're late. We'll see you when we come out if you want. 394 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,180 We talked to you when you came out? We have a number of matters that we have to 395 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:35,879 take care of. 396 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:42,440 The next day, he called me back, and he said, Leon, we want your clients out of 397 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,440 the United States. 398 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:45,580 I didn't know who he meant by we. 399 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:53,080 He said, because it's you, if you file an application for an 400 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,420 extension, I'll grant a month's extension. 401 00:28:57,290 --> 00:28:58,290 But then... 402 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,100 Get them the hell out of the United States. You said before that you love 403 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,980 York and you want to stay here. A lot of people are turned off of New York. What 404 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:09,320 do you like about it? Well, I've met a lot of New Yorkers who complain about 405 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,360 but nobody moves out. 406 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,300 It's the greatest place on earth. And if this was Rome, I want to live in Rome, 407 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:15,520 not in Wales. 408 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:19,200 It is Rome, you know. I've heard a lot of legal proceedings, but I don't think 409 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,480 ever heard so many confusing terms. Did you understand anything that was said up 410 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,140 there? Not really. 411 00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:25,440 Well, ask that lawyer. 412 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,860 I just know we're still here and nobody drives. 413 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:43,320 We had an expression in the 60s that just because you're paranoid doesn't 414 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,320 you're not being followed. 415 00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:50,180 Yes, we were all paranoid, but yes, we were being followed. 416 00:30:03,189 --> 00:30:07,810 I had a peripheral role being a photographer and yet there were several 417 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:11,610 instances where I was followed and didn't realize it so much at the time 418 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:15,550 it would be the furthest thing from my mind to think that I was doing something 419 00:30:15,550 --> 00:30:17,470 that the federal government would be interested in. 420 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,750 That I came out of my studio one time and I looked at the street and I saw 421 00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:21,750 somebody take my picture. 422 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,420 It kind of turned away, and I looked back when I realized somebody had taken 423 00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:28,760 picture, and it was a guy in a fedora hat. They looked like G -men, and he 424 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,920 of ducked down, and they drove down the street really fast, and I knew I had 425 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080 seen it. And I thought, like, what the hell was that? 426 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,080 I saw the guy on my phone. Those FBI guys were in the basement of my building 427 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240 for the whole time we were recording. 428 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,580 I would see them. They knew I knew they were there. I would come in. I would 429 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:50,160 ring my buzzer, and they were in. 430 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,260 around the stairs in the back, and they had their little tape machine set up, 431 00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:59,280 and I could hear the click on my phone every time I picked it up, so it wasn't 432 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,240 hard to figure out. Pretty unnerving, actually, at the time. 433 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,920 More so from my wife, I think she, at the time, she was very paranoid about 434 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,140 that. Who wouldn't be? 435 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,940 When it first started, I was followed in the car, and my phone was tapped. 436 00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:19,930 And I think they wanted me to know to scare me, and I was scared, paranoid. 437 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:24,190 You can imagine John Lennon says his phones tapped and there's men following 438 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:29,270 car. And people thought I was crazy then. I mean, they do anyway, but I 439 00:31:29,290 --> 00:31:32,510 more so, you know, Lennon. Oh, you big -headed maniac, right? 440 00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:35,550 Who's going to follow you around? Well, what do they want? You know, that's what 441 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:39,250 I'm saying. What do they want? They wanted to make it obvious so that we 442 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:40,250 get scared. 443 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:42,410 They wanted to shut us up. 444 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:46,870 They were trying to intimidate them. 445 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:51,410 They were trying to scare them into leaving the United States. 446 00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:53,210 I did feel bad. 447 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:57,010 I did try to advise them to lay low. 448 00:31:57,770 --> 00:32:00,290 But this was John and Yoko. 449 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:17,680 When we did Sometime in New York City, we were doing a newspaper. 450 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,940 In other words, mistakes, a little harmony wasn't perfect. We didn't go 451 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,680 perfect every note. We just printed it out, you know, to make a statement on 452 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,120 society right now, right away, and no BS. 453 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,380 Just say it. I think this is wrong. That's right. This is my opinion. 454 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,960 This has ended up with the worst ever confrontation between the army and the 455 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,680 Catholic people of the Craig and the Kambodscha. 456 00:32:49,479 --> 00:32:51,820 Sometimes in New York City, that was outrageous. 457 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:59,040 We just went totally against what was acceptable in the music world or the 458 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920 and roll world. We were just getting to be like Bertolt Brecht. 459 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,320 John was getting very anxious about getting this album out there. 460 00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:43,980 It's going to be political. It's going to be different for him. 461 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:47,320 This was really just in -your -face politics. 462 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,560 Politics was in the air those days. You know, you couldn't avoid it, right? 463 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,860 She had Chairman Mao and Richard Nixon dancing naked on the cover. It wasn't 464 00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:00,000 really their bodies, we just stuck their heads on. We got into a lot of trouble, 465 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,100 that's all I know. 466 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,639 That was the record that really gave us hell. 467 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,360 A lot of problems with that. And I don't think we sold so much, you know. So I 468 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,139 don't think that people had the same opinion with us. 469 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,540 I didn't really have time to think about, you know, that it was such a 470 00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:31,360 I realized that the political issue was something that probably would hold the 471 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,360 album back. 472 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,840 He wasn't disappointed in us, but I think he was disappointed in the 473 00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:39,020 Are we on? 474 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,360 Yeah, anytime you're ready. Okay. Hi, this is John Lennon. This is Yoko. The 475 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,580 -to -one benefit concert for the children of Willowbrook is sold out, and 476 00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:50,980 surprised me too. So we're announcing a special matinee performance. 477 00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:55,690 It's on the same day. It happens at 2 o 'clock. That's also Wednesday, the 30th 478 00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:57,090 of August. John? Yeah? 479 00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:58,410 Let's do it again. 480 00:35:01,110 --> 00:35:02,130 Two, three, four! 481 00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:13,900 The idea for the one -to -one concert came from Yoko Ono. I was a local 482 00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:18,900 and in January 1972, I get the score from Yoko. She tells me that she and 483 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,920 had been watching my coverage of the awful conditions at the Willowbrook 484 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,500 School for the Mentally Retarded, and that they wanted to get involved, and 485 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:27,500 maybe they could do something. 486 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:45,680 They started rehearsing for this concert at Massachusetts Garden, and I remember 487 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,880 going into the rehearsal, and they would play a couple of Elvis Presley, Bo 488 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,520 Diddley songs to warm up, and then he started singing Cold Turkey or Imagine, 489 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,320 and it was suddenly, not this new friend of ours, John, it was like, oh my God, 490 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,520 he's that guy, he's the Beatle. Listen to that voice, that's the Beatle voice. 491 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,420 Imagine that it won't happen. 492 00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:10,360 It'd be here, you'd cry. 493 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:16,910 No hell below us, 494 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:22,830 above us only sky. 495 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:32,590 Imagine all the people living 496 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:35,170 for today. 497 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:44,060 I think he thought of the one -to -one concert as a rehearsal for the world 498 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:48,680 tour. And the only way to get around all the green card thing was to do benefit 499 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,680 concerts. 500 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:56,060 This 501 00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:04,980 is 502 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:06,240 what we had been building to. 503 00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:08,440 Here we were. We were playing with John Lennon. 504 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,820 I want to tour the universe. 505 00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:11,340 You gotta live. 506 00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:13,940 You gotta love. 507 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:17,180 You gotta be somebody. 508 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,220 You gotta show. 509 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:21,740 But it's hard. 510 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,480 You know it's hard. 511 00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:29,480 Sometimes I feel like going down. 512 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:37,660 This was supposed to be our first show of basically a... 513 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:42,190 A national tour. We're starting to assemble the gear. We're ordering best 514 00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:44,590 made road cases. It's time to go out and tour. 515 00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:49,650 It was just, we have to put it off because I want to tend to this 516 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:52,630 thing and get everything straight before we go out. 517 00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:53,930 You gotta run. 518 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:56,730 You gotta hide. 519 00:37:57,950 --> 00:38:01,470 You gotta keep your woman satisfied. 520 00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:06,030 And we kept hanging on that. Hanging on it. One week to the next. 521 00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:07,830 It's hard to get hard. 522 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:12,330 Sometimes I feel like going down. 523 00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:21,690 Like at one time I had this group together, Elephant's Memory and a few 524 00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:25,270 people, and I was ready to go on the road just for fun, you know. I didn't 525 00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:27,490 whether I was going to get paid even. I just felt like going out, you know. 526 00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:31,530 I had to send them away, you know, and that put me off performing for a bit. 527 00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:33,010 then I still... 528 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:36,890 did my work, you know, because I can't stop it even if I'm in a bad state of 529 00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:39,630 mind. But it was affecting me, affecting my whole life, actually. 530 00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:42,150 At 531 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:50,190 the 532 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:54,670 time, I didn't think anything of it. We were just doing a good concert to let 533 00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:56,810 people know that peace is important. 534 00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:58,810 Let's end this war. 535 00:38:59,810 --> 00:39:03,370 Now I realize this was when they were trying to deport us. 536 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:04,670 Are we doing this? 537 00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:16,550 The reviews were great for 538 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:17,550 us as a band. 539 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:22,130 Unfortunately, the critics were very tough on John and Yoko. 540 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:27,770 After the concert, we didn't see him for a week after the reviews came out. He 541 00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:28,770 was very upset. 542 00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:32,350 John and I got off the stage. We hugged each other. 543 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:34,390 A great thing we did. 544 00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:38,270 The next morning, it's a bad, bad review. 545 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:43,750 John never experienced that kind of a bad situation before that. 546 00:39:44,050 --> 00:39:46,390 I think it weighed on him more than me. 547 00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:50,150 You know, just one thing was going wrong after another. 548 00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:54,470 John didn't take it very well at all. The critics panned the album. The 549 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:58,010 panned the concert. They basically hated it. 550 00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:02,820 The Nixon administration issued a deportation order to try to throw John 551 00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:04,500 the country. He started getting legal problems. 552 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,740 And John was really going into a dark place. 553 00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:21,580 President Nixon and his vice president, Spiro Agnew, again headed the GOP ticket 554 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:22,580 in 72. 555 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,280 Solid Nixon country. West Virginia, a surprise, going to the Republicans. 556 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:30,140 New Hampshire, not a surprise. 557 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,180 Maryland, Agnew's revenge back in the Republican column. 558 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,220 We were in the studio, and somebody came and said, Nixon won. 559 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,860 Gone tonight to the Republicans. 560 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,480 Kansas, Connecticut, Texas, Michigan, Delaware. We found out, I think at the 561 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,140 studio, if I remember correctly, that Nixon had won, and I think that was the 562 00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:50,138 end of the session. 563 00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:51,480 It was just totally... 564 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,420 deflated everybody. 565 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:58,240 We all got very depressed. John particularly was, you know, he took it 566 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:02,500 personally. We project that President Nixon will come out of this the winner 567 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:09,460 with about 60 % of the popular vote and somewhere between 450 and 568 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:12,360 500 or more electoral votes. 569 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,820 Congratulations on your victory. 570 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,140 That night particularly was pretty ugly. 571 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,240 We were invited down to Jerry Rubin's house to watch the election returns, but 572 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:26,020 we didn't finish until pretty late at night. And by the time we finished, 573 00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:27,020 had already won. 574 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:30,840 But we went down to Jerry's house, and there were still some people there. And 575 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,240 we were pretty drunk when we got there, but then there was more drinking. 576 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,100 We were very rowdy, way too rowdy. 577 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:42,200 My wife had too much to drink. I just wanted to leave. 578 00:41:46,259 --> 00:41:48,000 So it was time to bail for me. 579 00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:56,700 So by the time that we were in a car to go to Jerry Rubin's party, Joe was 580 00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:57,700 swaying. 581 00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:05,460 And I think, you know, what happened there, I totally understand. 582 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:11,220 You know, that he just pulled one girl and went into the next room. 583 00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:16,110 started to make love, I suppose. 584 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:18,390 And there's big noise and everything. 585 00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:25,630 And one of the elephant memory guys, Stan, Stan 586 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:31,610 was very sweet. He just put Bob Dylan's record on and sort of boosted up. 587 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:33,950 But it just didn't do any good. 588 00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:37,450 But it was that kind of night. 589 00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:40,150 And I felt very sad for myself. 590 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:41,890 I didn't like it. 591 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:44,810 But at the same time, I understood what she was going through. 592 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:52,950 And when I hurt you And cause you pain 593 00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:59,670 Darling, I promise I 594 00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:05,050 won't do it again The next day, we were in the studio. 595 00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:07,470 Anton was still hungover. He looked... 596 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,980 Very sheepish, very remorseful. He knew he had screwed up. He knew as many times 597 00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:17,500 as you try to apologize, it didn't erase the fact that he had embarrassed Yoko 598 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,080 so badly in front of everybody. 599 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,600 And we walked out on the docks by Bank Street and just sort of sat there. And 600 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,780 coming back, we were taking some pictures. There's one where John's on 601 00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:29,040 kind of asking for forgiveness. 602 00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:32,700 She was still dealing with him, but it wasn't okay. 603 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,220 It's hard enough, I know. 604 00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:43,770 To feel, to feel your pain. 605 00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:51,650 I really thought that there was an incredible amount of anger in him. But 606 00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:58,630 because he did not want to be separate from me 607 00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:59,630 at all. 608 00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:06,470 So that we were together 24 hours a day, literally. 609 00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:10,660 I thought that was really getting to us, maybe. 610 00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:14,560 So I thought, well, we need some, you know, separation. 611 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:23,360 For me, actually, you know, I was not what I envisioned myself to be. 612 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,480 And in a situation like that, why should I want to stay there? 613 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,700 And I just wanted to find myself. 614 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,700 So I thought it was good if he goes to L .A. 615 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,360 Just find himself or just have a rest from the situation. 616 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,320 One thing I've understood. 617 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,760 Good morning, Southern California. It's 619 and 62 degrees in Hollywood. 618 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,620 This is John Lennon. And if you have any requests, call me at 520 -1974. 619 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,140 I've been working with them for three years. And one day, they said to me, you 620 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:30,380 know that John and I are not getting along. 621 00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:35,000 And I'm looking at her and I said, Oh, I'm really sorry to hear that. 622 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,820 And I'm thinking, why is she telling this to me now? 623 00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:45,160 I knew it would be very difficult for him to just go to L .A. by himself, and 624 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,940 never did anything like that. So I felt very responsible. 625 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:55,140 And so I wanted to make the trip as comfortable as possible for him. 626 00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:00,220 Hey, it's Jay. This is Richard Dixon here. Who's that? 627 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,440 Oh, I'm Dana. 628 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640 Dana what? 629 00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:04,480 Holden. Holden? Yeah. 630 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,080 Oh, hold on, Dana. Okay. 631 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,160 What's your request and why are we here? 632 00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,080 I'd like to hear mind games. 633 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,820 You'd like to hear mind games? So would I. Isn't that wonderful? 634 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:15,880 I'd like to play some, actually. 635 00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,740 Well, it's time to wheel you away. 636 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:36,670 Before we left New York, I remember John coming in to me and saying, I'm ready. 637 00:46:36,850 --> 00:46:39,790 I said, I looked at him, I said, what do you mean? He goes, book the studio. 638 00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:42,610 I'm going to do it now or I'm never going to do it. 639 00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:47,090 And he didn't have his songs ready yet. But in two weeks he wrote Mind Games. 640 00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:50,950 You know, you talk about somebody's brilliant, I mean, it's just amazing. 641 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:55,050 He was a very, very powerful songwriter. 642 00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:00,350 He hears the chord structure, and then... 643 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600 The words go around and around the block for a while. 644 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,860 But 645 00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:17,720 by the 646 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,320 time he gets to the studio, he has the words written, and he's got maybe two 647 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,280 versions, and they go through changes until the word and the sound of the word 648 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,520 match the sound of the chord and the rhythm. 649 00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:49,090 A lot of the writing happened in the studio. While the musicians were 650 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:50,250 he would be changing lyrics. 651 00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:54,630 I guess he got inspired by the band and the studio atmosphere. 652 00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,890 And John was just a very strong force of a personality. 653 00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:06,590 So when he spoke, you listened, you know. 654 00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:10,230 You could be in the other room and you hear his voice. He's just such a 655 00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:12,510 distinctive voice, singing and just talking. 656 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,780 John was honest. 657 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,680 His lyrics were also very bluntly honest. 658 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,100 Everything was right up front with him. There was no mixing his words or being 659 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,320 diplomatic or beating around the bush. And his songs were like that, too. He 660 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,440 came out and just... 661 00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:52,170 Said it. I made you cry. 662 00:48:53,430 --> 00:49:00,070 Oh, well, I didn't want to hurt you. The words he 663 00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:02,330 chooses are for everybody. 664 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:08,610 John talks of his problems, of the fight he has with himself. 665 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:14,830 And that's what makes it so strong and that's what people can relate to. 666 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,120 He projected himself. He projected his guts. 667 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:27,780 And the way he played his guitar, same thing. 57404

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