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[drum heart beating]
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- I was sort of in New York
at exactly the right time
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and exactly the right place.
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[train screeching]
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Wherever you are is the center.
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But I can be in more than
one place at the same time.
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[drum heart beating]
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Things seemed to be really happening fast.
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[upbeat music]
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[camera whirring]
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- He was born face up instead of face down
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which the doctor called sunny side up.
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I guess I should have known right then
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something was gonna be up, huh?
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[uptempo electronic music]
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[car buzzing]
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- [Keith] I grew up in a really small town
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in Pennsylvania called Kutztown
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which is northeast of Philadelphia.
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I grew up learning to draw from my father
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from about the time I when
I was about four years old
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and my father used to entertain me
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by making small drawings for me.
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And I think the biggest
impression that it had
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was that instead of teaching me to copy
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other cartoon characters or comics
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he wanted me to invent my own characters.
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[gentle bell music]
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[camera whirring]
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- We had a game where we'd
see how good we could do
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drawing with your eyes closed,
which is a good practice
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for getting the rhythm of your hand
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and knowing where your
hand is and what it's doing
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without watching, without seeing it.
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[uptempo electronic music]
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[camera whirring]
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- The hand is very strong, very unique.
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And it's like a musician
who has a particular
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musical signature that
even with a few bars
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you know it's somebody's voice.
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You see just a few lines of
Keith, you know it's his hand.
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[uptempo electronic music]
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[camera whirring]
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- Different kids will just get together
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to do different things.
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When you think about it, I had friends
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that got together with their
peers to play basketball.
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I had friends that got
together to play cards.
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We got together to draw.
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- [Keith] I was really obsessed
with Walt Disney a lot.
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I loved Walt Disney, I
watched cartoons all the time.
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- [Kermit] I think we had a fascination
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with all kinds of genre if you will,
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and we were taking it pretty seriously.
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I mean, at that time we were
fully aware of who Picasso
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and all these guys were.
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We were aware of the work that they did.
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We were aware of how many pieces Picasso
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had created in his lifetime.
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And I don't think we were 10 years old.
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[camera whirring]
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- He was always drawing,
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so it was kind of a continuous evolution.
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So I always knew he was good at it.
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I always knew he could draw
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and do artwork as well as my dad.
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And was always a little
jealous of that fact,
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'cause I couldn't.
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[gentle music]
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- [Keith] At about 12, I
start delivering newspapers.
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And I started a newspaper route,
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which I delivered every
day, including Sundays.
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Every day after school,
on a bicycle, usually,
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and this was also actually
probably interesting
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because it meant that from 12 until 16,
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which is 1970 till 1974,
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every day I was reading the
front page of the newspaper.
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And this was during the
end of the Vietnam War,
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and then into Watergate.
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And Sundays, it was also then maybe
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one of the first times when I became,
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or I had another thing that
made me close to my father
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was because on Sundays, the
newspapers are very thick
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because it's the comics
and all those sections.
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So Sunday mornings I would
deliver them with my father,
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every Sunday morning.
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He would wake me up at six
or seven in the morning
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on our early get-outs that
we would do with the papers,
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and get done in time to go to church.
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I would come home and have
breakfast and go to church.
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[camera whirring]
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- We grew up in a family that
went to church every week,
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and because we were quite
active, Keith and I,
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and my younger sister
Karen, in the youth group,
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that gave us an opportunity
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to really figure out where religion
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maybe had a meaning to us in our lives.
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- [Joan] I went to church
camp for many years,
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and we encouraged Keith to go,
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and then the girls all went, too.
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There was one of the first times
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that he met people from the city.
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Black people.
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Mostly blacks, which we didn't have
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in Kutztown at that time.
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And he got to know
people from Philadelphia,
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which was this big city far away.
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[rapid tempo rock music]
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- There was a couple years
towards the end of high school
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that I just thought he was really
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running around with the wrong kids.
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- That was a tough time.
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It wasn't till he was in about 11th grade
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when he started hanging out with some,
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hanging out so to speak,
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with some guys in his class
that we really didn't like.
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- I had three sisters
that were younger than me,
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and one of them was much younger.
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So when she was born when I was about 10,
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so I would really spend
a lot of time with her
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when I was growing up,
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and spent a lot of time drawing with her.
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[camera whirring]
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- I had no judgment of him.
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I was an infant.
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There was no way that I
was going to be trying
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to categorize him as being a good boy,
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or misbehaving in school.
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So I had no opinions formed of him,
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and he could make a connection
with me that was direct.
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- I think at that time he
probably was smoking pot.
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- Kutztown, it was a really small town,
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so because I was not,
I didn't really fit in
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to what the rest of the normal kids
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were like, but as a I
got a little bit older,
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I always used to leave and hitchhike,
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and by the time I was 18, and
was allowed to leave school
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and leave my parents, the
first thing I wanted to do
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was get out of that little town.
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- [Man] And time it could've been worse.
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I think this one's a write-off,
and that one is not good.
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What about this one?
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- [Keith] That one's okay.
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- [Man] I didn't mind those at all.
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- [Keith] Oh that one's
not the right form--
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- [Man] Oh it was?
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Oh I thought you'd done that as well.
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- I'm dripping while
the orange is still wet.
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That one's alright.
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I don't want to throw that away, though.
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I really like it.
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- In senior high school,
he had an art teacher
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who was really good.
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And he devoted more time to art.
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He got an honorable mention.
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And he got $100 dollars.
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And he was so proud of this.
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It was his first money that he got
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from anything, for any of his drawings.
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And he said, okay, I
won that $100 dollars.
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And he said, I'm gonna
use that $100 dollars,
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and he paid his first down payment
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to go to school in Pittsburgh.
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[gentle rock music]
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- After high school, I went
to a commercial art school
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in Pittsburgh for six
months, 'cause at that point,
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my parents were still convincing me
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that I would never make
any money being an artist.
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And if I really wanted to make a living,
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I'd have to do commercial art.
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So I went to this commercial art school
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on my own savings really from
being a paperboy or whatever.
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And after six months,
realized that no matter what,
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I didn't want to do that.
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[camera whirring]
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- I was going to school in Kutztown,
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and I was good friends with Kermit Oswald,
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and Kermit and Keith
were childhood friends.
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Kermit bought a studio down by his house,
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and we used to hang out.
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That was like the hangout,
and Keith would come and visit
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from wherever he was traipsing around,
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following the Grateful Dead.
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And Keith would stop in, and
that's when I first met him.
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And then he could always
draw like a son of a gun.
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- [Kermit] When I started
making film in school
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in like '78, '79, the Sony Camcorder
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that I worked with weighed 95 pounds.
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And it took 24 hours to charge it
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to shoot 30 minutes of tape, reel-to-reel.
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No cassettes.
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It's like, this godamn
thing was like a backpack.
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You'd put it on your back,
you're like, oh my god.
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Where are we going, not
far, I hope. [laughs]
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Thing weighs a ton.
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[gentle jazzy music]
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- [Keith] When I was 20, I had my first
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one man show in Pittsburgh.
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While I was there, there had also been
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an exhibition of Pierre
Alechinsky in the museum,
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which at that time had a
really big influence on me
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because it was the first
time that I had seen
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an older artist who had
done an entire body of work
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that in some ways was very similar
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to the things that I was starting to do,
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even though I was 20 years old.
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There was something very common
that I had with his work,
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and it gave me sort of that confidence
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to think that maybe I
was on the right track,
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and I was doing something that
was worth taking seriously.
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[jazzy music]
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- This is very vivid in my memory
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that he stood in the kitchen
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and explained to my parents
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that he could not be
in Pittsburgh anymore,
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that he had to be in New York.
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- It was a big decision.
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Our son was going off to the big city.
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I mean, Pittsburgh was big decision.
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I remember I cried and cried when he left.
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But New York City, wow.
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[upbeat rock music]
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- I first met Keith in 1978.
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It was probably my first week at school,
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at the School of Visual Arts.
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[upbeat rock music]
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I heard this Devo music, and
there was Keith in this room,
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and he was painting to the
beat, all these black lines,
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and he was painting
himself into the corner.
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[camera whirring]
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- The first class was drawing,
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and the teacher said okay,
everybody choose a partner
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and draw each other.
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And Keith just sort of
came and sat and drew me.
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- We actually had some classes together
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that we were taking at SVA.
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One of the classes with Bill
Beckley was in semiotics.
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And that I think was kind of
interesting for both of us.
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- [Keith] I've learned
from semiotics in choosing
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to repeat certain things.
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In their repetition they gain importance
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and significance and
turn into something else,
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turn into a different kind of sign.
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[camera whirring]
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- I first met Keith at the
School of Visual Arts in 1978.
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And I remember looking at his sneakers,
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and his legs, and I
thought he was a funny,
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really funny guy.
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He was in my class and then
we became really good friends.
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And I used to cook spaghetti,
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and he used to come to eat spaghetti
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all the time to my house.
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- The,
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the,
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th,
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th.
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- Five.
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Five.
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One, two, three, four, five.
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It's great to be alive, five.
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- Al.
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Al,
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al.
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- I think you can erase that.
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[camera whirring]
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- That's how I met Keith,
while he was a student
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in the School of Visual Arts.
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He came to help me as an assistant.
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He and his friend Kermit Oswald
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came to help to prepare
exhibitions, paint walls,
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and install things, and take things down,
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of course, and wrap and pack.
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You know, as you get ready for a show,
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you need some preparation, of course.
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But also, along with that
came a number of their friends
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who helped in the opening, for example,
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either the bar and
various things like that.
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So I met his whole circle of friends,
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which were very interesting.
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That's how I met Jean-Michel
Basquiat for example.
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and Kenny Scharf and so on.
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So there was already
a big group of friends
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who were very close together,
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and Keith was sort of the
center of it, you might say.
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- We needed a place to live,
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so we just decided we'd
get a place together.
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And he found one, it was
just a total rat trap.
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I mean, I never saw rats,
but everything else.
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They called it a two bedroom.
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It was like, I had a bedroom
and Keith lived in a closet.
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And it was like literally
the size of a sleeping bag.
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And he had a stereo and he just played
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the B-52s non-stop, 24 hours a day,
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for the entire time we lived there.
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♪ Ski-doo-be-dop ♪
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♪ Eww ♪
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♪ Ski-doo-be-dop ♪
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♪ Eww ♪
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- [Keith] One of the things that started
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becoming really interesting
and a way that I was combining
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what was going on at night, and
what was happening in school
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was that the subject matter
of many of the drawings
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that I was doing,
because I was still doing
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these abstract shapes,
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but I started being completely obsessed
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with doing phallic little,
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I mean, the calligraphy
became completely phallic.
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Partly,
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really consciously as a
way of sort of asserting
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my sexuality and forcing
people to deal with it.
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And so I sort of consciously
sort of flaunted the fact
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that I was interested in
dicks because I could.
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- And we found each
other at the club baths
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across the street, which was
the notorious bath house.
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We ran into each other there.
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That's when we both kind
of figured out we were gay,
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since we were both at the bath house.
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And he was there all the time,
and I was there all the time.
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- Ass, sin,
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fat, no.
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No, sin,
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boys,
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sin, art.
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- I remember going to the
new Saint Mark's baths
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on a Saturday night, and just thinking,
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god this must be like what Rome was like.
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All these beautiful healthy men,
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gay men doing whatever they
wanted with each other.
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It was like gay paradise.
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[car swooshing]
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[gentle rhythmic music]
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- [Keith] Almost immediately
upon my arrival in New York,
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I had begun to be interested in,
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and intrigued by,
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and fascinated by the graffiti
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that I was seeing on the streets.
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And so it became an event
for me to take the subways.
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[camera whirring]
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- We were just walking around together.
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He would see a graffiti
painting with a cartoon.
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And I remember Keith would just go,
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man, look at that, look at that.
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That should be in the Whitney,
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that should be in the
Museum of Modern Art.
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And Keith was just like,
just totally happy.
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He was just, we were absorbing it all.
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It's like, look, look, look at that.
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Oh that tag, I've seen that kid.
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I was like, oh yeah, that's so-and-so.
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He became really good friends
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with that crew of graffiti writers.
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He would later meet LA2,
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who then he would collaborate with.
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They had a very special relationship.
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And LA was very successful.
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It was almost like a gift from heaven
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in the way Keith found him,
and really was very equitable
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in terms of giving him
his share of the money.
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'Cause some of Keith's
first major exhibits
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at the Tony Shafrazi Gallery and whatever,
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there would be many pieces that he would
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collaborate on with LA2.
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♪ Keep ticking and tocking ♪
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♪ Work it all around the clock ♪
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♪ Everybody keep rocking and clocking ♪
366
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♪ And shocking and rocking go house ♪
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♪ Everybody say rock it don't stop it ♪
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♪ Rock it don't stop it ♪
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♪ Well hit me, Mr. Biggs ♪
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♪ Mr. Biggs ♪
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♪ Pow wow ♪
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♪ Pow wow ♪
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♪ G-L-O-B-E ♪
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♪ G-L-O-B-E ♪
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♪ The soul sonic boom ♪
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[camera whirring]
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- The city became a canvas,
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and in many ways, a lot
of the younger artists
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were living off the fumes of graffiti art.
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The artists themselves
within the art world
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took a lot of those strategies,
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a lot of those expressions,
383
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a lot of the kind of
semiotic abbreviations,
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the ways of signing,
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the ways of creating different identities.
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The forms of trespass and
intervention and public art,
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and worked it into their own language.
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And Keith would probably
be one of the best examples
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of somebody who really understood
the spirit of graffiti.
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- [Fred] I guess the most
noted painting that I made
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in terms of subway graffiti
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was a whole subway car painted
with Campbell's Soup cans.
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It was a homage to Andy Warhol.
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It was also a message that I was sending
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to people throughout New York City.
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The message was that I
am aware of modern art,
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of pop art, of the culture and the art
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of making art in the art world.
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And it was also a message
that we as graffiti artists,
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we're not just the animals, the wild dogs,
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the savage beasts, the
way we were depicted
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in the press at that time.
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[upbeat dance music]
404
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- Most artists waited to see
what was their opportunity,
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where could they show their work?
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Where could they sell their work?
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Who was there to see the work
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and consider it to be interesting?
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So there was a lot of waiting
around, unfortunately.
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[upbeat music]
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Keith was never like that.
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Immediately he set to work.
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Where he had his own program
of things he'd be doing.
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So in fact, rather than the
artist, or Keith Haring,
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or anybody else bugging one over this,
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wanting to show his work to me.
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I had to ask him, time
and again, curiously,
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what was it that he was doing?
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- Keith had a lot of different jobs.
420
00:22:00,390 --> 00:22:02,410
Oh yeah, he was a busboy at Danceteria,
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he worked for Shafrazi, cleaning glasses.
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00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,640
We worked in night clubs as well.
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We all kind of got jobs in the night club,
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the Mud Club and Club 57,
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doorman, bartending, go-go dancing.
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00:22:17,993 --> 00:22:22,520
♪ Oh we've got another
dance song for you ♪
427
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,020
♪ It's called the Nutrino ♪
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[pulsing static]
[lips smacking]
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00:22:34,385 --> 00:22:37,756
[pulsing static]
430
00:22:37,756 --> 00:22:42,756
[pulsing static]
[distorted screaming]
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00:22:51,923 --> 00:22:54,580
[popping static]
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00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:56,420
- Keith was very connected,
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00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:59,440
was a big part of a little
club called Club 57,
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on 57 Saint Mark's Place,
435
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,320
and Keith would put together
little group shows and stuff
436
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,160
for all of the friends.
437
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,330
- When I was in the East Village,
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00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:09,050
I was friends with lots
and lots of artists,
439
00:23:09,050 --> 00:23:11,149
'cause I used to organize
shows with this club
440
00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:14,540
called Club 57 for a
100 artists at a time.
441
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:17,440
- Actually, I had the
first art show at Club 57.
442
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,049
It was called "Celebration
of the Space Age."
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[electronic music]
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00:23:22,884 --> 00:23:23,717
- Space.
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00:23:26,417 --> 00:23:29,910
- [Kim] I got this job as the
style editor of the Soho News.
446
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It was kind of a radical downtown weekly.
447
00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:35,940
So I was always looking for stories,
448
00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:39,690
and looking for what
was new and happening.
449
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:41,440
But I used to go to the
Mud Club every night,
450
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,530
but someone told me about
Club 57, so I checked it out.
451
00:23:45,530 --> 00:23:47,080
And it blew my mind.
452
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,450
- Mud Club was more serious.
453
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:50,330
Actually, it was different drugs,
454
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because Mud Club was very more heroin,
455
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so everybody was all more depressed
456
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and more down like that.
457
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And Club 57 was just drunk
and doing whatever, you know.
458
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It was more like a ridiculous crowd.
459
00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:05,440
- It was like our club palace, you know.
460
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,090
I was the big mouth funny guy.
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Three quarters of you are,
462
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[cheering and clapping drowns
out speaker] then clap.
463
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[drumbeat music]
[crowd hysterically cheering]
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Okay, this is John Sex.
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[excited crowd screaming]
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♪ Hey ♪
467
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- This group of art students
with this very unusual,
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unusually brilliant crowd of kids.
469
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,459
Ann Magnuson, Keith Haring, Kenny Scharf,
470
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Tseng Kwong Chi, John Sex
and they had this huge
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creative wild thing going.
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♪ Hey ♪
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♪ Hey ♪
474
00:24:50,648 --> 00:24:51,539
♪ Hey ♪
475
00:24:51,539 --> 00:24:52,528
♪ Hey ♪
476
00:24:52,528 --> 00:24:54,906
♪ Hey ♪
477
00:24:54,906 --> 00:24:56,360
[crowd cheers hysterically]
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- Every night was a different theme.
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There was art shows there was music,
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there was poetry performance, movies.
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And it was basically, it
really was a youth club,
482
00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:11,030
in a way, for I guess avant-garde,
483
00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:13,360
bohemian, East Village kids.
484
00:25:22,724 --> 00:25:26,597
- Maybe we should do something
about the goldfish ninja.
485
00:25:26,597 --> 00:25:30,850
- [Kenny] Sex was constant,
everywhere, with everybody.
486
00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:34,593
It was a rolling orgy, practically.
487
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Some people were gay, some people were bi.
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Was there anyone straight?
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There was like two straight people.
490
00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:54,410
Drugs, sex, rock 'n roll.
491
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We were young, we were 19, 20 years old
492
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and we were loose in the city.
493
00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:06,020
And we were just really
having a good time.
494
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And the city was our playground.
495
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:14,590
And everything was for us to taste
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whatever we want to taste.
497
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:18,690
- We were free, this was Manhattan.
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It was before AIDS.
499
00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:23,612
- What is this preoccupation with the war.
500
00:26:23,612 --> 00:26:25,029
Who really cares.
501
00:26:26,191 --> 00:26:30,240
It was the Reagan era, so
we just gave up, basically.
502
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,830
- When Reagan started,
503
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:34,430
of course we all went on
a campaign against Reagan.
504
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:37,840
- We were so shocked that
this could have even happened,
505
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,840
that a right wing Republican,
actor could become president.
506
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:46,260
It was just shocking to us.
507
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,173
- It was a subculture, we were
apolitical, anti-political.
508
00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:53,470
I mean Keith was pissed off,
509
00:26:53,470 --> 00:26:54,483
'cause Keith is all,
510
00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:57,010
he had a conscience or something,
511
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:59,820
I just wanted to have
fun, he was pissed off.
512
00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:03,560
So he did all the word pieces
about Reagan and the Pope.
513
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760
- [Bruno] He used to cut up
the New York Post things.
514
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Playing with words and
paste it all over the city.
515
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,913
And also in a more direct neighborhood,
516
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,580
politics was all the East Village.
517
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:17,830
They all used to wear beards.
518
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:18,663
All the queens and stuff,
519
00:27:18,663 --> 00:27:21,650
the gay guys used to wear a beard.
520
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:23,880
And he made a whole movement
521
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,179
with the gay men against facial hair.
522
00:27:27,179 --> 00:27:29,295
And he had a stencil and he stenciled
523
00:27:29,295 --> 00:27:31,506
all over the city. [laughs]
524
00:27:31,506 --> 00:27:33,339
Well, that's politics.
525
00:27:34,245 --> 00:27:36,337
- So a sick society invented psychiatry
526
00:27:36,337 --> 00:27:39,500
to defend itself against
the investigations
527
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,110
of certain visionaries,
528
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:45,590
whose faculties of
divination disturbed it.
529
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:47,152
Infinite belongs to us.
530
00:27:47,152 --> 00:27:49,735
[upbeat music]
531
00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:02,450
- Keith was living at the time,
532
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:05,210
in a little room on 12th Street.
533
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:08,620
And I was like, Keith, you
need to have some more space,
534
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,760
so come up and share this loft with me.
535
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,630
That was the start of us being roommates.
536
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:16,863
- The loft was two floors and,
537
00:28:18,627 --> 00:28:23,060
Keith had one area upstairs,
and Kenny had another area.
538
00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:26,513
And Keith's area was
absolutely immaculate.
539
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,400
It was just genius.
540
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,710
It was completely tidy.
541
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,180
There was a little bed
rolled up in the corner.
542
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:37,650
There was a little rack for magazines.
543
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:41,250
And then there were two
perfectly positioned chairs
544
00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:44,140
just exactly where you
would like them to be,
545
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:46,340
so that when you went in,
546
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:48,610
you felt like sitting
down and talking to him.
547
00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:53,320
- Samantha was just a beautiful girl.
548
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Sam and I were kind of a couple.
549
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,530
And we loved Keith.
550
00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:59,483
And so the three of us.
551
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,550
We would have breakfast together,
552
00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:05,430
we'd lie in bed together.
553
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:09,793
- Kenny's area was completely
different. [laughs]
554
00:29:09,793 --> 00:29:10,626
Kenny's area was complete chaos.
555
00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:15,890
Paint everywhere,
fluorescent paint everywhere.
556
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:18,420
Toys everywhere, things
glued to the walls.
557
00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:20,650
Cigarette packets glued to the walls.
558
00:29:20,650 --> 00:29:23,550
Everything was significant.
559
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:28,550
But the division in
thinking was hysterical.
560
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,470
Anyway it was really fantastic,
561
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:32,550
them living together actually.
562
00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:34,750
- [Keith] One of my
early performance pieces
563
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:36,890
when I was at the School of Visual Arts.
564
00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:39,620
Was this video tape I did
565
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:41,683
which I also performed live a few times.
566
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:45,770
It was a piece dedicated to my father,
567
00:29:45,770 --> 00:29:49,820
and the whole thing was just
me talking in morse code.
568
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:51,780
And then it was interspersed
with me stopping
569
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:56,000
and explaining that my father used to make
570
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
the morse code line, da,
dit, dit, da, dit, dit, da.
571
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,837
Da, dit, dit, da, da,
dit, dit, da dit, dit, da,
572
00:30:00,837 --> 00:30:03,662
dit, dit, dit, dit, da, da,
da, dit, dit, da, dit, dit,
573
00:30:03,662 --> 00:30:06,000
da, dit, dit, da, dit,
dit, da, dit, dit, da, dit.
574
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
My father, my father's into ham radio.
575
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,577
My father, my father always used to,
576
00:30:10,577 --> 00:30:13,220
always used to tell me, tell me, this,
577
00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:14,580
this is morse code.
578
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,060
This, this is morse code.
579
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:19,480
He said, he said this, this is morse code.
580
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,606
Da, da, dit, dit, da, dit, dit, dit, dit,
581
00:30:21,606 --> 00:30:23,730
da, da, da, dit, dit, da,
dit, dit, dit, dit, dit,
582
00:30:23,730 --> 00:30:25,900
da, dit, dit, da, da,
dit, dit, da, dit, dit.
583
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:28,210
- We would call him
almost on a weekly basis,
584
00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:30,470
on a Sunday, just to see
how things were going.
585
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:32,910
He would tell us that he had some work
586
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:34,537
that he'd put in a show at Mud Club,
587
00:30:34,537 --> 00:30:38,563
and I guess he was actually
running the shows, at Mud Club.
588
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,890
Didn't make sense to us,
589
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:42,600
didn't understand what Mud Club was.
590
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,835
Didn't understand what
these other clubs were.
591
00:30:45,835 --> 00:30:47,520
[high pitched whining signal]
592
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,370
- I don't like seeing
myself from the back.
593
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:51,679
That was one of the
first things to amaze me.
594
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:52,512
'Cause you never, you have--
595
00:30:52,512 --> 00:30:54,740
- [Young Woman] You never
get to see your back.
596
00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:55,713
- Never close.
597
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:59,270
- That is weird. [television show chatter]
598
00:30:59,270 --> 00:31:01,330
- [Woman] Hey, let's get ready for supper.
599
00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:03,580
- When Keith was a student
as the School of Visual Arts,
600
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:06,720
he had a couple of
assignments that ended up
601
00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:09,130
being brought home.
602
00:31:09,130 --> 00:31:11,920
He somehow managed to get
the school to lend him
603
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,800
a video camera for, what
must have been a weekend,
604
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,763
when he came home.
605
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:21,210
The thing I remember
about the video taping
606
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:25,630
was that he wanted me to sit in this chair
607
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:29,730
in our living room and
read a book backwards.
608
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:33,270
And I was supposed to be
very serious about it.
609
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:38,270
And the jump one in earth to went he so
610
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:43,343
either there sun any have not did but.
611
00:31:44,658 --> 00:31:48,260
[train clacking]
[train brakes screeching]
612
00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:49,500
- [Keith] I really don't remember
613
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,930
how the subway drawings first started.
614
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:55,730
I remember when I started, but
I don't really remember why,
615
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:58,890
except that I had noticed
one of the empty back panels
616
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:02,020
and it just seemed to be the perfect place
617
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:02,853
to have a drawing.
618
00:32:02,853 --> 00:32:04,972
And so I went above ground,
bought a piece of chalk
619
00:32:04,972 --> 00:32:05,830
and went back down and did it.
620
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:08,924
- [Woman] Aw c'mon get outta here.
621
00:32:08,924 --> 00:32:10,426
Call the cops.
622
00:32:10,426 --> 00:32:12,720
- [Man] Give him a break.
623
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,980
- [Keith] Drawing in the subway always had
624
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:17,390
a kind of element of fear of the unknown,
625
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:20,210
because you always had to be prepared
626
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:24,510
to get caught and getting
locked up for a few hours.
627
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:25,343
- We're busy so hold on
and I'll get back you okay?
628
00:32:25,343 --> 00:32:26,860
- [Policeman] Yeah I think
we're gonna arrest you
629
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:28,824
for graffiti in the subway.
630
00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:32,241
- [Keith] Oh good, get this on film.
631
00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:34,900
- [Woman] You actually like [mumbles]
632
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:36,560
- [Keith] It didn't happen that often.
633
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,450
Most times cops will
just give you a ticket
634
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:39,890
and let you go.
635
00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:42,150
But there was always
sort of that edge to it.
636
00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:46,857
Because you never know which
kind of cop is gonna catch you.
637
00:32:52,398 --> 00:32:55,730
The reason to keep doing it
was that it was immediately
638
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:57,800
seeing the effect of what you were doing.
639
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,840
And you were immediately
sort of seeing the power
640
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,470
of this thing to communicate
and to actually touch people.
641
00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:07,290
It stopped them in
their tracks, et cetera.
642
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:11,930
- The main thing with him
was that his animated motion
643
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:14,230
took him straight from
bed, shower in the morning,
644
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:17,380
into the street, and the
street became a place to work.
645
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:18,980
And the street led to the subways,
646
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:21,040
to the place of transportation.
647
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,400
So the world of active
population, of people moving
648
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,540
was a ready-made audience,
ready-made museum for him.
649
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,450
And for him it was very
important 'cause he realized,
650
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:32,790
he knew that 80, 90% of these people
651
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:34,340
never went to the museum.
652
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:37,139
So he wanted to bring the museum to them.
653
00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:39,088
[crowd buzzing]
654
00:33:39,088 --> 00:33:41,897
- Who were you doing it for?
655
00:33:41,897 --> 00:33:44,840
- For everybody I guess, I
mean I don't get paid to do it.
656
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,465
But I do it down here so
lots of people can see it.
657
00:33:48,465 --> 00:33:49,510
- Good, good, good.
658
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:50,680
- Here, you want a button?
659
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,513
- Yes.
- That's my signature.
660
00:33:51,513 --> 00:33:54,011
- Okay, thank you.
661
00:33:54,011 --> 00:33:55,700
- [Keith] I've gotten letters
of stories from people
662
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,940
of specific times when
they came upon a drawing
663
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:02,740
and it filled this gap that
was waiting to be filled.
664
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:05,720
It made something make sense.
665
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,420
It made a moment for them
666
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:09,250
which will stay as a memory forever.
667
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:11,400
That's what all artists
are supposed to do.
668
00:34:13,282 --> 00:34:14,431
[camera whirring]
669
00:34:14,431 --> 00:34:17,160
- He was so sophisticated that
he could actually be simple
670
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,630
and appeal to children
and people who were not
671
00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:22,690
in the art world, as
well as intellectuals.
672
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:25,380
- There were so many
other things happening
673
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:28,490
in the art world and in the streets.
674
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:31,650
Seeing everything happening
exactly at this one point.
675
00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:35,210
That I was becoming so active
in all these other things
676
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:38,300
that for my last year I eventually just,
677
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:39,530
when I came back to
enroll for the third year
678
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:42,840
and take classes, she told me that maybe
679
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,480
there was nothing else
they could do for me.
680
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,570
Because they couldn't give me credit
681
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:48,590
for these other projects I was doing.
682
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:51,500
And she said maybe you should just try
683
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,057
to be an artist, instead of a student.
684
00:34:54,057 --> 00:34:56,126
And I was like, well
yeah, what a great idea.
685
00:34:56,126 --> 00:34:58,472
♪ In the daytime radio's scared of me ♪
686
00:34:58,472 --> 00:34:59,742
♪ 'Cause I'm mad ♪
687
00:34:59,742 --> 00:35:00,659
♪ 'cause I'm the enemy ♪
688
00:35:00,659 --> 00:35:03,384
♪ They can't come on and
play me in prime time ♪
689
00:35:03,384 --> 00:35:04,602
♪ 'Cause I know the time ♪
690
00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:06,174
♪ Plus I'm getting mine ♪
691
00:35:06,174 --> 00:35:08,310
♪ I get on the mix late in the night ♪
692
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:10,790
- I introduced Keith to Jean-Michel.
693
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:15,320
I guess we became kind
of know as the three,
694
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,570
I wouldn't say musketeers,
695
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:20,880
but each one had our own identity
696
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,570
of different from each other,
but very street oriented.
697
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:30,180
And with a strong competition,
a healthy competition.
698
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:34,730
Keith and Jean-Michel took
off earlier then I did.
699
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:36,943
- And then in the
beginning when I started,
700
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:39,210
when I first started selling work,
701
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:42,030
I was determined to
not be with the gallery
702
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:44,590
and to learn everything myself.
703
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:48,410
And I started selling things
for myself, out of my studio.
704
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:49,980
And after about two months I decided
705
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:51,693
I'd never ever wanted to see the person
706
00:35:51,693 --> 00:35:54,090
whose buying the thing again,
'cause it drove me crazy.
707
00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:55,323
- It was taking off.
708
00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:00,750
People were coming over
our shared space everyday.
709
00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:03,730
And basically I remember,
oh my god this is great.
710
00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:05,680
Keith is bringing all these people in.
711
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,700
They're gonna see my art too.
712
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,490
So I had all my things all over the wall.
713
00:36:09,490 --> 00:36:11,900
And I'll never forget, they would walk
714
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,850
past my art like it wasn't there.
715
00:36:13,850 --> 00:36:16,180
And I was just like, but wait a second.
716
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:17,570
What about me?
717
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:19,050
And it was really hard.
718
00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:22,020
And I remember Keith
felt a little bit bad.
719
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:24,110
- He called me up, he's like,
I got the show at Shafrazi.
720
00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:26,073
I'm like, you did?
721
00:36:26,073 --> 00:36:28,527
♪ Back caught you looking
for the same thing ♪
722
00:36:28,527 --> 00:36:29,596
♪ It's a new thing ♪
723
00:36:29,596 --> 00:36:30,746
♪ check out this I bring ♪
724
00:36:30,746 --> 00:36:32,364
♪ Uh, oh, the roll below the level ♪
725
00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:33,197
♪ 'Cause I'm living low ♪
726
00:36:33,197 --> 00:36:36,174
♪ Next to the bass,
c'mon, turn up the radio ♪
727
00:36:36,174 --> 00:36:37,007
♪ They claiming I'm a criminal ♪
728
00:36:37,007 --> 00:36:37,840
- We stood out.
729
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,410
People could always tell.
730
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:41,400
Oh, you must be Keith's family.
731
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,170
You're the only people
here who aren't dressed
732
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:46,530
completely in black, or who
don't have pink hair. [laughs]
733
00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:49,293
- And we went up and we were very proud,
734
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,330
and then he still didn't
sell anything at first.
735
00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:59,120
And then he started making
some things that were more,
736
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,650
that people could put in their homes.
737
00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:03,260
- There were people who were gonna pay
738
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:05,990
what to us were
unbelievable sums of money,
739
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:08,310
for his work, even in those early days.
740
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:11,690
To go from being a bicycle messenger
741
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:15,540
to be selling a painting
for $10,000 dollars,
742
00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:19,320
seemed like this extraordinary
amount of success.
743
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,880
- One time I went to his studio,
744
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,435
and he said, you want some money?
745
00:37:25,435 --> 00:37:26,923
[laughs] And I said, why?
746
00:37:26,923 --> 00:37:31,410
He's like here, he had like
hundreds of dollars in cash.
747
00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:33,690
And we're like, what did you rob a bank?
748
00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:36,110
He said, no, this lady came here
749
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:38,360
and she wanted to buy
everything and I didn't
750
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,960
have anything to buy, and
she saw all those things
751
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,840
in the garbage, and so I sold it,
752
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,050
they'd say I want this,
753
00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:44,290
but this I'm throwing in the garbage.
754
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:46,100
I don't care, I'll buy it.
755
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:50,420
- As soon as money was
introduced into the picture,
756
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:51,870
it changed everything.
757
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,540
All of a sudden, everybody was like, oh,
758
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:57,200
we have to make money, we have to compete.
759
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,430
It changed the whole
thing that before that,
760
00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:02,100
it was art was only for art.
761
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:03,580
And it was all for each other.
762
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:05,830
We were performing and doing
everything for each other.
763
00:38:05,830 --> 00:38:07,860
And kinda working off each other.
764
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:09,370
And then all of a sudden the outside world
765
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:11,370
came in with all the money.
766
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:16,140
What happened was a lot
of people, including me,
767
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:20,649
was like, oh shit, I'm
gonna be left behind.
768
00:38:20,649 --> 00:38:23,232
[upbeat music]
769
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:27,810
- I needed to find somebody to move in,
770
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:31,128
so Keith moved in, we shared
a flat for a couple of years.
771
00:38:31,128 --> 00:38:33,020
[upbeat music]
772
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:36,650
- [Keith] During this
time, again I continued
773
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:39,070
searching for something and someone
774
00:38:39,070 --> 00:38:41,270
and becoming very frustrated that I don't
775
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:43,210
have a lover by this point.
776
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:46,490
And at this point I'm really tired
777
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,550
of only doing the baths, and so I finally
778
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:54,380
meet Juan Dubose, so I run
into him and have great sex
779
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:57,840
and just decide that this is probably
780
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,080
the right person to me.
781
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,210
He's black, he's really thin,
he's the same height as me,
782
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:04,150
his dick is the same size as me.
783
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:06,050
He's almost the same age as me.
784
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:11,050
- He'd been out and he had
met Juan a club or something
785
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,047
and he was waiting for Juan to call.
786
00:39:14,047 --> 00:39:17,060
And there he was, he was
sitting on one of chairs,
787
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:19,080
and the room was absolutely immaculate.
788
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,610
And in front of the chair, on the floor,
789
00:39:21,610 --> 00:39:23,150
was the telephone.
790
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:25,597
And I came in and it was very, very quiet.
791
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:27,710
And I thought, what's
going on 'cause normally
792
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:29,000
there was music and stuff.
793
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,530
I went to him and I
said, what are you doing?
794
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:34,810
And he said I'm just
waiting for a phone call.
795
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:37,810
And he waited and he waited and he waited.
796
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,650
And I think it took Juan two days to ring.
797
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:42,550
And then finally the phone rang.
798
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:47,455
And it was Juan, and he was a great love.
799
00:39:47,455 --> 00:39:49,788
[pop music]
800
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:56,433
[echoing beeps]
801
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:16,450
- Keith became an instant
star within the first year.
802
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:18,990
By '82 he went to Japan,
they were lining up
803
00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:21,703
to come to see him, it was
like the Beatles had arrived.
804
00:40:21,703 --> 00:40:24,714
[crowd buzzing]
[rap rock music]
805
00:40:24,714 --> 00:40:26,799
♪ Brakes on a bus, brakes on a car ♪
806
00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:28,912
♪ Breaks to make you a superstar ♪
807
00:40:28,912 --> 00:40:30,754
♪ Breaks to win and breaks to lose ♪
808
00:40:30,754 --> 00:40:33,021
♪ But these here breaks
will rock your shoes ♪
809
00:40:33,021 --> 00:40:35,098
♪ And these are the breaks ♪
810
00:40:35,098 --> 00:40:36,094
♪ Break it up, break it up, break it up! ♪
811
00:40:36,094 --> 00:40:40,511
[woman speaking in foreign language]
812
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,760
[crowd cheering]
813
00:40:55,323 --> 00:40:58,156
[camera whirring]
814
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:04,750
- [Interviewer] What are
some of the other countries
815
00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:06,333
you have done some work in?
816
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,400
- All over the world really,
Germany, France, London,
817
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:14,723
South America,
818
00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:17,493
Japan,
819
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:20,263
Holland,
820
00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:22,683
Spain,
821
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,247
um, and around the United States.
822
00:41:27,247 --> 00:41:30,164
[crowd chattering]
823
00:41:35,895 --> 00:41:37,270
[camera whirring]
824
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:41,770
- I'm Brazilian, and so first
time Kenny came to Brazil,
825
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:43,660
and that's how he met his wife.
826
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:46,340
We were on the plane
together, going to carnival.
827
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:48,720
- I get back from my trip
from my trip to Brazil,
828
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,720
and I announce, hey
everybody, I'm having a baby.
829
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,790
And they were like, you crazy?
830
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:56,883
And I was crazy, a little bit.
831
00:41:57,870 --> 00:42:01,400
I thought hey, I'm 24
years old, I'm a grown man.
832
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,857
I was a kid.
833
00:42:02,857 --> 00:42:05,940
[gentle chime music]
834
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,709
- I think there's a
lot of things about art
835
00:42:12,709 --> 00:42:14,960
that have a lot to do with healing
836
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,350
that a lot of people haven't
really scientifically explored,
837
00:42:18,350 --> 00:42:22,140
but I think it's definitely
healthful for children
838
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,410
to be around art, especially
when they're around
839
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:26,690
in a hospital situation, so they feel
840
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:28,580
more comfortable about being there.
841
00:42:28,580 --> 00:42:33,470
But also just thinking
positive about everything,
842
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:36,820
which is a part of healing
and feeling better.
843
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:39,840
- [Sam] He always wanted
children, and he loved children.
844
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,130
And I remember him saying please,
845
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:44,420
please have a baby with me.
846
00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:48,090
And I was just like, you must be joking.
847
00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:52,557
- I felt in a way that my having Zena
848
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:56,630
was a little bit of a gift to Keith.
849
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,690
Because I don't know
if I thought it so much
850
00:42:59,690 --> 00:43:01,820
consciously, but maybe subconsciously
851
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:06,990
I thought this is gonna help our family.
852
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:09,930
And Keith became her godfather.
853
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:12,536
And Keith was really wonderful to her.
854
00:43:12,536 --> 00:43:16,036
[upbeat electronic music]
855
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:50,400
- [Keith] When I was
drawing in the subways,
856
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,540
sometimes you do 30 drawings
in a matter of three hours
857
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:55,860
or something, so I didn't wanna keep doing
858
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:56,750
the same thing over and over
859
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:59,000
so you'd invent something on the spot.
860
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,820
That's one reason why
I really liked working
861
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:03,180
with children more than anything else,
862
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:05,860
because they still
really have that freedom
863
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,530
and imagination to just do it.
864
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:11,280
[carnival music]
865
00:44:14,971 --> 00:44:19,638
[performer singing in foreign language]
866
00:44:41,965 --> 00:44:44,715
[dramatic music]
867
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:57,550
- [Keith] I suppose
even just from the time
868
00:44:57,550 --> 00:45:02,550
I was a little kid I had this
tremendous guilt from learning
869
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:05,910
all the things that white people had done.
870
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:07,980
The more I learned, the more
I learned about everything
871
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:11,232
from whether it was what
they did during World War II,
872
00:45:11,232 --> 00:45:14,050
to Japanese people in California.
873
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:17,260
And putting them in camps, do
what they did to Indians too.
874
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:18,900
The whole civil rights movement.
875
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:21,450
I felt a much closer affinity
876
00:45:23,666 --> 00:45:25,350
to culture and people of color
877
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:29,671
then I did to white culture and white.
878
00:45:29,671 --> 00:45:31,760
[camera whirring]
879
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,110
- Who I was in the '80s
was Donald Mattern,
880
00:45:35,110 --> 00:45:37,030
which was my original name.
881
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:40,323
And I had changed it when I started DJing.
882
00:45:42,110 --> 00:45:45,210
It came about, I just wanted
to give up my identity
883
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:47,260
from coming from Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
884
00:45:49,783 --> 00:45:51,480
I changed it to Junior Vasquez.
885
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,690
Keith always told me that he'd never
886
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:53,970
felt really white inside.
887
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:56,483
I never felt that I was
anything else on the inside.
888
00:45:57,408 --> 00:46:00,408
[melancholic music]
889
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,740
- [Bill] I did an evening at The Kitchen,
890
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:08,020
which was an evening of collaborations.
891
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:11,530
And the idea was to
collaborate with people,
892
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:14,310
dancers, musicians and artists.
893
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:16,310
And Keith was that artist.
894
00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:17,840
Keith and I did a piece which was called
895
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,850
I believe, "Long Distance".
896
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:22,713
No music, just the sound of his brush.
897
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:27,860
He understood when I said I think
898
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:31,980
it should just be my body, it's rhythms,
899
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:33,690
and your brush strokes.
900
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:35,650
And I think he liked the idea.
901
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:38,740
There was something
virtuosic and beautiful
902
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:41,330
and musical in the way
in which he did paint.
903
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:42,880
And that was something
904
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,280
that we both exploited in that moment.
905
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,583
Long distance.
906
00:46:53,093 --> 00:46:53,926
[upbeat music]
907
00:46:53,926 --> 00:46:55,274
♪ Don't ♪
908
00:46:55,274 --> 00:46:56,107
♪ Don't ♪
909
00:46:56,107 --> 00:46:57,572
♪ Don't ♪
910
00:46:57,572 --> 00:46:58,423
♪ Don't ♪
911
00:46:58,423 --> 00:46:59,983
♪ Don't ♪
912
00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:00,932
♪ Don't ♪
913
00:47:00,932 --> 00:47:01,765
♪ Wreck it ♪
914
00:47:01,765 --> 00:47:02,598
[camera whirring]
915
00:47:02,598 --> 00:47:04,853
- At the time that I
started working for him.
916
00:47:06,419 --> 00:47:10,100
He was really interested and involved
917
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,810
with the hip-hop scene
918
00:47:12,810 --> 00:47:16,860
and he was at that time seeing quite a bit
919
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:18,270
of his friend Madonna.
920
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:21,670
He hung around with Grace Jones.
921
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:24,740
He also stayed close to his friends
922
00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:28,713
from his earlier days
in New York, from SVA.
923
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,850
Tseng Kwong Chi, Kenny Scharf,
924
00:47:31,850 --> 00:47:35,316
Tony Shafrazi through the
gallery, was around a lot.
925
00:47:35,316 --> 00:47:38,400
[upbeat music]
926
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,080
- [Bruno] Keith was traveling
all over the world at the time
927
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,110
but he'll make sure to take the plane,
928
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:45,735
and arrive on Friday night,
929
00:47:45,735 --> 00:47:48,884
to be at the weekend
for the Paradise Garage.
930
00:47:48,884 --> 00:47:52,262
[upbeat music]
931
00:47:52,262 --> 00:47:56,360
- [Keith] The music was
phenomenal, Larry Levan watched
932
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Preston's Djing there, and
was like a kind of guide.
933
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,890
♪ I can live with music ♪
934
00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:03,010
- [Keith] Never been the same since,
935
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:04,997
entering that crowd for the first time.
936
00:48:04,997 --> 00:48:07,200
- [Fred] You see the Paradise Garage
937
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,810
originally opened as a gay club.
938
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:12,780
I had some friends that I
grew up with in Brooklyn
939
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:17,780
that were not gay, that had
started to go to this club.
940
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:20,530
And I was like, man isn't that a gay club?
941
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:23,750
They said, well no, Friday
night is really mixed.
942
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:25,180
There's gay people, but
there's straight people
943
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:27,890
and there's really hot girls.
944
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:31,820
And if the girls see that
you're not homophobic,
945
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:33,250
then that's cool.
946
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:35,360
- Keith was much more
interested in my boyfriend,
947
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,010
Javier, this really
beautiful Puerto Rican boy,
948
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:38,360
then he was in me.
949
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,730
And he made it really clear
950
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:43,100
that he wanted to get to know Javier.
951
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:45,960
And really was kinda rude to me.
952
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,210
Putting himself with his
back, like right in my face,
953
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:51,318
and just talking to
Javier, and I was fine.
954
00:48:51,318 --> 00:48:55,070
[upbeat dance music]
955
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:57,170
- [Fred] The sound system, you would hear
956
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:59,070
from when you got on the
block, you would hear
957
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:03,650
this deep bass, like it was amazing.
958
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:06,520
'Cause nothing, nothing,
nothing sounded anything
959
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,770
like the Garage sound system then, or now.
960
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,283
- I had started going
to the Paradise Garage.
961
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:16,160
And that's where I met Adolfo,
962
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,830
which was Keith's assistant at the time.
963
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:22,253
Paradise Garage, Larry
Levan and Keith Haring,
964
00:49:23,204 --> 00:49:24,593
it was a threesome.
965
00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:29,330
Because the place reeked of Keith Haring.
966
00:49:29,330 --> 00:49:30,900
I mean, his art was all over the place
967
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,610
for almost the whole time it was open.
968
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:35,759
It was just that whole blend of the music
969
00:49:35,759 --> 00:49:39,970
and Keith, what he did,
and what that had created.
970
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:43,440
The music, and Keith was the forefront
971
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,093
of our culture at that time.
972
00:49:46,046 --> 00:49:48,310
- I was at many parties
and things with Keith,
973
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:51,930
and I was friends with friends
of his, Martin Burgoyne,
974
00:49:51,930 --> 00:49:55,240
who had been Madonna's
roommate, who'd died of AIDS.
975
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,930
I was friends with Martin,
Martin was best friends
976
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:58,700
with Keith, so it was again,
977
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:01,770
it was a very small
group, very small scene.
978
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:03,847
I was on the outskirts 'cause
I was younger then them,
979
00:50:03,847 --> 00:50:06,010
and just coming up as a photographer.
980
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:09,013
- His own birthday, which is May 4th,
981
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,230
was the occasion for him
to throw an enormous party
982
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:20,050
at whatever at the time was
his most favorite night club.
983
00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:23,040
He decided that he would name this party,
984
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,949
he would actually call
it the Party of Life.
985
00:50:25,949 --> 00:50:27,331
[pop music]
986
00:50:27,331 --> 00:50:29,189
♪ You've got style ♪
987
00:50:29,189 --> 00:50:34,189
♪ That's what all the girls say ♪
988
00:50:34,381 --> 00:50:36,050
♪ Satin sheets ♪
989
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:41,050
♪ And luxuries so fine ♪
990
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,360
♪ All your suits are
custom made in London ♪
991
00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:53,450
♪ I've got something
that you'll really like ♪
992
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:57,940
- [Bill] One night we went
to the Paradise Garage.
993
00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:02,540
And it was the first night that
Madonna appeared in public.
994
00:51:02,540 --> 00:51:03,950
Who was this girl?
995
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:08,950
And I turned to Arnie and I
said, what's the big deal,
996
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:11,740
and Keith said, Andy said she's gonna be
997
00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:14,930
the biggest thing ever, you'll see.
998
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:17,724
And I said, oh right, right, right.
999
00:51:17,724 --> 00:51:20,474
[drumbeat music]
1000
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:32,140
- [Keith] I made lots of
things that are on permanent
1001
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:33,950
or semi-permanent materials.
1002
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:38,803
Usually paper or metal
and plastic, wood, vinyl.
1003
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,440
But I like the idea of
things lasting longer
1004
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,150
then you last, and being somewhere
1005
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:50,933
where lots of people can
see them for a long time.
1006
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:56,070
- [Tony] I encouraged him,
if he could address the idea
1007
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:57,630
of how could he make something
1008
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:59,140
more permanent with paintings.
1009
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:00,950
And thereafter, that followed.
1010
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:04,450
So he came up with the
solutions of painting on tarps.
1011
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:07,080
And he purposely chose tarps
which industrial things
1012
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,140
which were used in the back of trucks.
1013
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:10,730
With the holes and the grommets'
1014
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:11,970
so that they hold down.
1015
00:52:11,970 --> 00:52:13,910
So that all the goods that you're carrying
1016
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:15,580
across borders and traveling, again,
1017
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:17,050
very much to do with travel.
1018
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:18,190
It's something very important,
1019
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:19,660
even Jack Kerouac talks about it,
1020
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:23,214
very important, that idea
of nomadic life of travel.
1021
00:52:23,214 --> 00:52:25,797
[upbeat music]
1022
00:53:05,913 --> 00:53:10,080
- Keith had an interest
in celebrities, certainly,
1023
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:15,920
and I guess in some way
even in his own fame
1024
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,970
or the hope that he would
eventually be a well known person.
1025
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:23,252
The phone calls that we
would get from New York,
1026
00:53:23,252 --> 00:53:28,252
would be slowly peppered
with more and more references
1027
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:30,600
to people he had met.
1028
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,090
He started throwing some names around,
1029
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:34,903
about meeting certain people.
1030
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,750
In fact, you know, I
think when he first said
1031
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:44,320
that he met Andy Warhol,
I had to ask my wife,
1032
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,700
who's Andy Warhol? [laughs]
1033
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:49,510
- Well Andy was our hero.
1034
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:53,280
He was the whole reason
why we moved to New York.
1035
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,113
He was just everything.
1036
00:53:54,113 --> 00:53:57,453
He was like god, king.
1037
00:53:59,137 --> 00:54:00,720
- [Keith] The first time I'd seen Andy,
1038
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,376
very first time I saw him, I
was sitting in the coffee shop,
1039
00:54:04,376 --> 00:54:06,876
the community Museum of
Modern Art on 53rd Street.
1040
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:10,900
I wanted to go in and say something,
1041
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,400
but I had no idea what to
do and so I just walked
1042
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,880
back and forth in front of
the coffee shop several times
1043
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,753
and then decided that
was ridiculous and left.
1044
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,852
- Hi.
- Hi.
1045
00:54:21,852 --> 00:54:23,020
- How are you?
1046
00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:27,000
- He really was our
inspiration, and he opened up
1047
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,850
so many doors as far as
ways of thinking about art
1048
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:36,100
and ways of how art could be different
1049
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:40,029
then just something on
a wall in a gallery.
1050
00:54:40,029 --> 00:54:40,862
[camera whirring]
1051
00:54:40,862 --> 00:54:44,903
- The first time I met
Keith, was when Andy Warhol
1052
00:54:44,903 --> 00:54:48,900
brought Keith Haring to my apartment,
1053
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,100
because we were having Sean's birthday.
1054
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:53,732
Sean my son's birthday.
1055
00:54:53,732 --> 00:54:54,565
[guitar strumming]
1056
00:54:54,565 --> 00:54:58,260
And Keith was carrying this big painting.
1057
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:59,743
It was all still wet.
1058
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,530
And it was for Sean.
1059
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:07,530
And it had a face and a number nine to it.
1060
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,843
- Andy Warhol came to the
exhibition of Keith Haring
1061
00:55:09,843 --> 00:55:13,010
that we had in 1982, at Mercer Street.
1062
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:16,220
Warhol would rarely be seen
in a gallery at an opening.
1063
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:17,947
But in this case, not only did he come,
1064
00:55:17,947 --> 00:55:20,499
but he was riveted.
1065
00:55:20,499 --> 00:55:22,730
And he became very close
friends with Keith.
1066
00:55:22,730 --> 00:55:23,940
- And they were very good friends.
1067
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:27,210
I think it was a very
important relationship
1068
00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:29,450
that Keith had with him, they gossiped,
1069
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:31,240
they talked almost daily.
1070
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:32,840
- So what did you do last night?
1071
00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:34,807
- They'd get on the phone
at the end of the night
1072
00:55:34,807 --> 00:55:37,260
and they'd talk like
a bunch of old ladies.
1073
00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:39,020
It was just like the way they did it.
1074
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:40,340
And they were, in a way they were
1075
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:43,263
these two little art world old ladies.
1076
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:48,320
- Andy envied this enthusiasm
that these kids had.
1077
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,210
He envied the energy that they had,
1078
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:53,250
in a way so it was an
extension of what he was after.
1079
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:55,190
In one aspect of what he was doing.
1080
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:57,080
In fact, when Madonna
got married, for example
1081
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,510
to Sean Penn, it was Keith
Haring who was invited.
1082
00:56:00,510 --> 00:56:02,713
And Keith took, as his date, Andy Warhol.
1083
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:05,940
So Andy was invited.
1084
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:07,510
And Andy liked that idea a lot.
1085
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:10,583
- [Kenny] We used to call him Pop-a-Pop.
1086
00:56:11,426 --> 00:56:13,970
But he was definitely a father figure.
1087
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:18,360
- Andy Warhol's work
was creating something
1088
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,220
in a meaningful tradition, but
it was meaningless in a way.
1089
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:25,160
And he liked the meaninglessness.
1090
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,870
And Keith was creating something
1091
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:32,940
that was looking at meaningless,
1092
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:34,650
but actually it was meaningful.
1093
00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:35,980
- Andy Warhol took
1094
00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:41,300
normal things and made them into art.
1095
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,700
But he wanted to do the opposite.
1096
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:46,910
He wanted to make art normal.
1097
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:51,910
To integrate it, to take it
out of this special label.
1098
00:56:56,307 --> 00:56:58,890
[upbeat music]
1099
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:50,400
- [Keith] In '85 I needed
Grace for two live performances
1100
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,160
at the the Garage, which is the second
1101
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,094
and third time which I paint her.
1102
00:57:54,094 --> 00:57:58,137
♪ Love to the rhythm ♪
1103
00:57:58,137 --> 00:58:03,137
♪ Live to the rhythm ♪
1104
00:58:04,406 --> 00:58:08,177
♪ Work to the rhythm ♪
1105
00:58:08,177 --> 00:58:11,344
♪ Slave to the rhythm ♪
1106
00:58:14,276 --> 00:58:16,693
And now ladies and gentlemen,
1107
00:58:19,509 --> 00:58:20,592
here's Grace.
1108
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:29,200
- [Keith] The strain on the relationship
1109
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,470
with Juan Dubose has sort
of reached a maximum in '85.
1110
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:35,510
In the beginning of 1986
1111
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:40,167
I meet Juan Rivera at
Paradise Garage one night.
1112
00:58:40,167 --> 00:58:43,050
And I see this incredibly beautiful boy,
1113
00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:46,730
who I think is the man of my dreams
1114
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:49,590
and I'm convinced that if he looks at me,
1115
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:51,520
he talks to me, that that is gonna be it,
1116
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,660
and I meet him, and
within a week he's staying
1117
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:58,150
at the studio all the
time, and within two weeks
1118
00:58:58,150 --> 00:59:00,010
I invite him to come with me to Brazil
1119
00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:02,840
where I'm going for a month.
1120
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,710
- Juan was the new love.
1121
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:10,260
And then there was another
beautiful Puerto Rican man
1122
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:11,570
who's name was Juan Dubose.
1123
00:59:11,570 --> 00:59:15,370
He separated, and the other
one is now the prince.
1124
00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:16,690
He's everywhere.
1125
00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:20,110
- I think my parents have been
pretty open with the whole,
1126
00:59:20,110 --> 00:59:22,930
they may not have liked it,
1127
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:24,520
but I think they accepted it well.
1128
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,900
- [Allen] We didn't know or want to accept
1129
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:28,510
that they were boyfriends,
1130
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:32,423
we called them bodyguards or just friends.
1131
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:39,070
- My family knew Keith's longer
term companions very well.
1132
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,960
They were implicitly accepted.
1133
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,800
There was not a lot of
discussion about this.
1134
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Some of them, just by personality,
1135
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,360
didn't really integrate into
our family quite as closely,
1136
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,050
but others really became
close with my family,
1137
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:53,310
to the point where my mother
1138
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:57,620
was making Keith's boyfriend
scarves at Christmas.
1139
00:59:57,620 --> 01:00:00,290
- In the very beginning he
described him as his bodyguard
1140
01:00:00,290 --> 01:00:02,120
which I thought was really
kinda cute in a way.
1141
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,290
Of course this is at a time
1142
01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:06,983
when the early '80s was
not like the present.
1143
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,200
This isn't on the cover of
magazines like it is today.
1144
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,030
Hollywood wasn't dealing with it.
1145
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:16,510
There wasn't television
about this subject.
1146
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:19,223
This was something that was
very much in the closet.
1147
01:00:19,223 --> 01:00:21,070
[gentle music]
1148
01:00:21,070 --> 01:00:24,950
- [Kirsten] My parents
were pretty conservative,
1149
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:27,283
politically and socially.
1150
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:32,710
But for them that has always extended to,
1151
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:35,180
people have the right
to do what they want,
1152
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:37,220
as long as they're not
hurting other people.
1153
01:00:37,220 --> 01:00:41,253
- I would try to, like around
relationships and so on,
1154
01:00:41,253 --> 01:00:42,900
I would try to pull him
1155
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:47,800
into adult conversation about things.
1156
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,973
This was hard with him.
1157
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:52,020
It was him impulse,
perhaps not his impulse.
1158
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:56,553
His impulse was to do the
work and to live the life.
1159
01:00:57,581 --> 01:01:00,164
[upbeat music]
1160
01:01:10,202 --> 01:01:13,120
- [Keith] I've been approached
by a man from a museum
1161
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,050
in Berlin, at the museum called
1162
01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:18,250
the House at Checkpoint Charlie.
1163
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:21,700
Which is a museum that's
dedicated to human rights issues.
1164
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:23,487
And he has asked me if
I'm interested in painting
1165
01:01:23,487 --> 01:01:26,890
the Berlin Wall, which of course
I'm interested in painting.
1166
01:01:26,890 --> 01:01:29,830
I'm painting this continuous,
interlocking chain
1167
01:01:29,830 --> 01:01:33,630
of human figures which
are connected at the hands
1168
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:36,270
and the feet, and they're
alternating between red
1169
01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:39,190
and black on a yellow
ground, was the german colors
1170
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:41,570
and really about, obviously somehow
1171
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:44,920
about this unity of people
and against the idea
1172
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,314
of the wall which is separating people.
1173
01:01:47,314 --> 01:01:49,897
[upbeat music]
1174
01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:55,350
- I started buying work from Tony,
1175
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:57,000
and collecting Keith's work.
1176
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,500
I have about 30 pieces of Keith's
1177
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,450
and I just love it because
it really reminds me
1178
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:05,060
of a time of living in
New York and growing up.
1179
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:06,950
It's a very optimistic time
1180
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:10,215
and everybody thought art
could change the world.
1181
01:02:10,215 --> 01:02:13,544
♪ Hell no, hell no, hell no ♪
1182
01:02:13,544 --> 01:02:16,114
♪ Life is precious you better believe it ♪
1183
01:02:16,114 --> 01:02:18,513
♪ Crack is wack, no you don't need it ♪
1184
01:02:18,513 --> 01:02:20,965
♪ Life is fresh, yes
you better believe it ♪
1185
01:02:20,965 --> 01:02:23,434
♪ Crack is wack, no, you don't need it ♪
1186
01:02:23,434 --> 01:02:25,326
♪ Life ♪
1187
01:02:25,326 --> 01:02:27,528
♪ Baby life, life, life ♪
1188
01:02:27,528 --> 01:02:28,361
♪ Hoo ♪
1189
01:02:28,361 --> 01:02:30,102
♪ Life ♪
1190
01:02:30,102 --> 01:02:32,257
♪ Baby life, life, life ♪
1191
01:02:32,257 --> 01:02:33,110
♪ Hoo ♪
1192
01:02:33,110 --> 01:02:36,240
- There was a sense once
Keith Haring got established
1193
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,550
in the art world, that he should change
1194
01:02:39,550 --> 01:02:43,600
his methodology and his approach to
1195
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,170
not just art-making,
but to the institutions
1196
01:02:46,170 --> 01:02:47,450
and the market of art.
1197
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:52,450
- It's true that maybe the art community,
1198
01:02:53,410 --> 01:02:55,300
especially the establishment,
1199
01:02:55,300 --> 01:03:00,300
art establishment may not
be that into Keith's work.
1200
01:03:01,230 --> 01:03:04,393
The reason being because he has
done so many works probably.
1201
01:03:05,562 --> 01:03:08,479
[cameral whirring]
1202
01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:45,820
- Keith wasn't stupid, he
knew exactly what he was doing
1203
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:48,420
and on top of that he had a
lot of really smart people,
1204
01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:50,770
career savvy people advising him.
1205
01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:55,440
And they were telling
Keith, okay, you stop
1206
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,950
making so much work, there
is a supply and demand
1207
01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:02,080
going here, you make bigger work.
1208
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,440
You make a set number of
work for a show in New York
1209
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,280
every year, if you're really that prolific
1210
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,130
and you can do a show in Europe.
1211
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:11,680
You can do your commissions,
but for goodness sake,
1212
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:17,041
stop drawing in every kid's black book.
1213
01:04:17,041 --> 01:04:19,890
Stop drawing on people's clothes.
1214
01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:23,139
Stop giving your work away for free.
1215
01:04:23,139 --> 01:04:24,921
♪ See if I got cool ♪
1216
01:04:24,921 --> 01:04:25,829
♪ If it's cool we go ♪
1217
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:28,790
♪ 'Cause I'm faithful ♪
1218
01:04:28,790 --> 01:04:30,910
Ah Kim, check this out,
1219
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:32,870
yo, you go to your girls
house and I go to mine.
1220
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:34,490
'Cause my girl is definitely mad
1221
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:37,220
'cause it took us too
long to do this album.
1222
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:38,202
- [Rapper] Yo I hear what you're saying.
1223
01:04:38,202 --> 01:04:40,320
- [Lead Singer] So let's
just pump the music up
1224
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,153
and count our money.
1225
01:04:41,153 --> 01:04:42,280
- [Rapper] Yo well check this out y'all,
1226
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,580
Eli, turn the bass down
and just with the beat
1227
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:48,817
keep on rocking, and we're outta here.
1228
01:04:48,817 --> 01:04:51,029
Yo, what happened to peace?
1229
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:55,362
♪ Peace, peace, peace, peace, peace ♪
1230
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,680
- He was extremely sensitive.
1231
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,810
He had way of being very giving.
1232
01:05:08,810 --> 01:05:10,070
When we were both invited
1233
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:14,200
to lunch at this certain household,
1234
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,960
and these people at the
house was all children
1235
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,890
and adults, all sort of thing,
1236
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:22,320
would you please sign this,
would you please sign this.
1237
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,840
Keith was very, very accommodating,
1238
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,590
but also instead of just signing his name,
1239
01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:29,470
which I would do. [laughs]
1240
01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:32,750
Usually all of us just sign our names
1241
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:34,530
because what else can you do?
1242
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:36,440
There's so many people asking.
1243
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,350
But he would do a drawing
for each one of them.
1244
01:05:41,350 --> 01:05:43,620
And I thought that was
very generous of him.
1245
01:05:43,620 --> 01:05:48,620
Because it's not like the normal
celebrity doing a drawing,
1246
01:05:49,340 --> 01:05:54,154
he's a very highly acclaimed,
1247
01:05:54,154 --> 01:05:58,460
and demanded artist.
1248
01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:00,610
- [Julia] His images
started really penetrating
1249
01:06:00,610 --> 01:06:05,490
people's consciousness,
and so he began to notice.
1250
01:06:05,490 --> 01:06:09,350
And friends from all over
the world began to tell him
1251
01:06:09,350 --> 01:06:12,380
oh, they're selling Keith
Haring T shirts in Thailand,
1252
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:15,110
or I saw Keith Haring sneakers in Berlin.
1253
01:06:15,110 --> 01:06:18,923
And I saw Keith Haring pants in Brazil.
1254
01:06:18,923 --> 01:06:21,506
[upbeat music]
1255
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:37,660
- [Carlo] When Keith opened
the Pop Shop in 1985,
1256
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:41,900
on Lafayette Street, it
signaled a significant shift
1257
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:46,810
in the way that youth culture
was going to express itself.
1258
01:06:46,810 --> 01:06:50,870
- Keith really advanced
what an artist could do.
1259
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:54,060
Taking Andy Warhol's
Factory one step further
1260
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:56,780
into an actual factory store.
1261
01:06:56,780 --> 01:07:00,180
But when you look at
what's come since then,
1262
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:03,560
it's particularly Takashi Murakami,
1263
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,590
taking Keith's approach
perhaps even further.
1264
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:10,740
Maybe not so much conceptually further,
1265
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:14,800
but pushing it more with a connection
1266
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,330
with major merchandising companies.
1267
01:07:17,330 --> 01:07:19,217
- They misunderstood a
lotta things that Keith did.
1268
01:07:19,217 --> 01:07:21,800
The Pop Shop, they thought
was a commercial endeavor.
1269
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,310
He wasn't gonna get rich off of selling
1270
01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:26,010
T shirts and blowup pillows
1271
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:28,100
and buttons, this wasn't about money,
1272
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:29,670
it was about accessibility.
1273
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:33,480
It was about him reaching people
1274
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,380
and it was about spreading
1275
01:07:37,627 --> 01:07:39,603
the creative energy that he had.
1276
01:07:40,712 --> 01:07:43,295
[upbeat music]
1277
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,070
- [Keith] Partly at the prodding of Tony,
1278
01:07:50,070 --> 01:07:52,960
I had become interested in trying
1279
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:57,080
to translate some of my things into large
1280
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,760
outdoor sculptures, and
into public sculptures.
1281
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,130
And Tony has arranged
1282
01:08:05,966 --> 01:08:08,940
to do an exhibition at Castelli Gallery.
1283
01:08:10,064 --> 01:08:12,647
[upbeat music]
1284
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:55,930
- [Julia] He just insisted.
1285
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:59,680
Okay, now this year I have a show in Paris
1286
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,210
and I have a show in Milano,
and I have a show wherever.
1287
01:09:03,210 --> 01:09:06,640
And that's great and I
gotta produce all this work
1288
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,640
but I insist that when I go,
to be present at my exhibition
1289
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:14,560
in whatever country or city,
1290
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,170
I also want to do something
lasting and meaningful
1291
01:09:19,170 --> 01:09:23,683
that will remain, something
that will help people.
1292
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,543
Something that brings joy.
1293
01:09:27,555 --> 01:09:30,138
[upbeat music]
1294
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:36,200
And so that is why, even
today, in any number of cities
1295
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,660
around the world, there
remain Keith Haring murals.
1296
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:43,100
Because fortunately people value them.
1297
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:48,100
Not for their art market
value but for their spirit.
1298
01:09:49,930 --> 01:09:52,480
- Yeah I do all kinds of things,
sometimes they're temporary
1299
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,401
and sometimes they last forever.
1300
01:09:55,401 --> 01:09:57,984
[upbeat music]
1301
01:10:08,944 --> 01:10:11,350
There's a new museum that's
just been built in Antwerp.
1302
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:13,630
And they asked me to do a permanent mural
1303
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:18,036
inside the the museum, in
the cafeteria, which I do.
1304
01:10:18,036 --> 01:10:20,619
[upbeat music]
1305
01:10:30,038 --> 01:10:32,621
[gentle music]
1306
01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:42,352
And very beautiful staying in Belgium
1307
01:10:42,352 --> 01:10:45,040
that I spend three weeks
in Knokke, painting
1308
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,100
and I'm living while there,
1309
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:50,740
inside of this house that has been made
1310
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:52,793
by Niki de Saint Phalle, Jean Tinguely,
1311
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:56,200
on the property of the Nellens.
1312
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,317
And in this enchanted house,
I'm living with this family
1313
01:10:59,317 --> 01:11:01,817
and having an incredible time.
1314
01:11:57,010 --> 01:11:59,820
The idea of the circle, I bind myself
1315
01:11:59,820 --> 01:12:02,793
to exercise myself only in one way.
1316
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:05,700
Beauty in a circle.
1317
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,710
A beauty is not suddenly in a circle,
1318
01:12:08,710 --> 01:12:10,680
it comes with rapture.
1319
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,970
A great deal of beauty is rapture.
1320
01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:15,410
- [Drew] Things have seriously
changed already in New York
1321
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:17,320
and in my life, but in New York in general
1322
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,800
because we've introduced
this new horror of AIDS.
1323
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,490
Which totally changed everyone's life
1324
01:12:24,490 --> 01:12:27,533
and it was affecting
everyone's life by this point.
1325
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,840
The first introduction of
it probably is early as '82.
1326
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,800
Starting to hear rumors of
mysterious deaths of gay men.
1327
01:12:38,990 --> 01:12:39,867
- Do you know the brother?
1328
01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:42,080
Poor brother, he's dead.
1329
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,970
- [Kenny] People have
this idea about the '80s
1330
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:46,310
as being so fantastic.
1331
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:48,970
I tell people no, the '80s were terrible.
1332
01:12:48,970 --> 01:12:50,900
AIDS arrived, and it wasn't called AIDS,
1333
01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:53,560
it was called gay cancer,
we didn't know what it was.
1334
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,440
But that pretty much ended the fun.
1335
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:59,230
It was horrible, can you
imagine being in your 20s,
1336
01:12:59,230 --> 01:13:02,230
and all your friends,
and they're all dying?
1337
01:13:02,230 --> 01:13:04,590
- ACT UP was a AIDS
Coalition to Unleash Power
1338
01:13:04,590 --> 01:13:07,900
is a political group,
fighting to get the government
1339
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:10,940
to take notice of the AIDS
epidemic that was happening.
1340
01:13:10,940 --> 01:13:14,240
To get testing through the
National Institute of Health,
1341
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,810
NIH, get tests made faster,
you know there's so much
1342
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:20,970
bureaucracy in medical
research at the time.
1343
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:23,140
And through the efforts of ACT UP,
1344
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:26,420
they changed the way the US government
1345
01:13:26,420 --> 01:13:27,253
was dealing with AIDS,
1346
01:13:27,253 --> 01:13:29,940
and it was a very creative way to protest.
1347
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:31,440
When Keith was diagnosed with AIDS,
1348
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,163
he became a big part of ACT UP.
1349
01:13:35,939 --> 01:13:38,522
[solemn music]
1350
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:45,440
- [Keith] Now I fit
exactly the classifications
1351
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,660
of actually having AIDS,
so for the first time
1352
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:51,930
it was a reality that now
it was gonna begin to happen
1353
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:53,037
to me, I knew I had to deal with it.
1354
01:13:53,037 --> 01:13:56,180
It's like I knew it was gonna happen.
1355
01:13:56,180 --> 01:13:59,990
But somehow that doesn't
prepare you any more
1356
01:13:59,990 --> 01:14:03,380
for that moment when you know
that it's really, that's it.
1357
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:06,370
The first thing I do was
just, breakdown, whatever.
1358
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:09,300
I went and sat by the river and cried,
1359
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:11,220
and cried and cried and cried but then,
1360
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:14,370
it's like you have to go on.
1361
01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:16,240
You get yourself together and you realize
1362
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,000
that this is not the end right there,
1363
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,120
and that there's other things
and you gotta continue.
1364
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,140
And you gotta figure out
how you're gonna deal
1365
01:14:23,140 --> 01:14:24,940
with it and confront it and face it.
1366
01:14:25,927 --> 01:14:28,927
[melancholic music]
1367
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:31,350
- Yeah I was probably
one of the first people
1368
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:33,810
to know that he was HIV.
1369
01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:35,780
Yeah, it was a hard thing to swallow.
1370
01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:40,780
But again it wasn't a
surprise, like I just said.
1371
01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:42,530
These people were pretty crazy,
1372
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:45,023
they were known to be pretty wild.
1373
01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:52,060
So when he came to me with
that, it didn't shock me.
1374
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,063
- Did we ever talk about it?
1375
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,670
He did say to me, and
I have so much to do.
1376
01:15:01,930 --> 01:15:03,100
I've so much to do.
1377
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,830
And I remember once going to his studio
1378
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:09,280
and he was working feverishly.
1379
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,860
I was saying to him, what's going on?
1380
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:13,610
He said, I just have so much to do.
1381
01:15:15,929 --> 01:15:18,512
[solemn music]
1382
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:38,570
- When Keith did his
article in Rolling Stone.
1383
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:43,440
It was amazing how brave he
was to come out publicly.
1384
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,303
'Cause no one else was doing that.
1385
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:51,240
And I think he was shocked a little bit
1386
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:56,240
by the parties invitations stopped.
1387
01:15:58,130 --> 01:16:00,602
- I did see Keith, and he told me,
1388
01:16:00,602 --> 01:16:02,290
you know I'm sick.
1389
01:16:02,290 --> 01:16:06,440
It was overwhelming, but
what made it not as bad
1390
01:16:07,675 --> 01:16:08,860
as you would think, was the way
1391
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:10,800
he just was dealing with it.
1392
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,920
The way he said, you know I was just gonna
1393
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,140
get the right treatment and
eat right and boom, boom, boom.
1394
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:21,760
And he really managed it in a very heroic
1395
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,650
and a courageous way.
1396
01:16:23,650 --> 01:16:24,640
- [Kermit] He looked at me and he said,
1397
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,080
there's something I want you to do for me.
1398
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,730
And it was like, how many times
1399
01:16:28,730 --> 01:16:32,730
he had said that to me by
this point in our lives?
1400
01:16:32,730 --> 01:16:33,970
Like thousands.
1401
01:16:33,970 --> 01:16:35,880
There's something I need you to do.
1402
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,660
I'd be like okay, what?
1403
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:40,990
Well, I need you to tell my parents,
1404
01:16:40,990 --> 01:16:42,550
that I have AIDS.
1405
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:43,730
And I was floored.
1406
01:16:43,730 --> 01:16:45,453
I was absolutely,
1407
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:53,490
and I think it took me second
or two to okay, I'll do it.
1408
01:16:53,490 --> 01:16:55,654
It's not a problem.
1409
01:16:55,654 --> 01:16:57,420
[camera whirring]
1410
01:16:57,420 --> 01:17:00,220
- We talked about whether or not
1411
01:17:02,230 --> 01:17:05,410
art came from within,
1412
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:09,303
or came through from some other place,
1413
01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:12,960
and you were just a vehicle,
1414
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,040
in a sense of this energy coming
1415
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:16,960
and you would just
1416
01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:23,520
designated to get these things out
1417
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,640
and create these works for
people to enjoy or hate.
1418
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,628
He exemplified what an artist should be.
1419
01:17:31,628 --> 01:17:34,211
[upbeat music]
1420
01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:53,210
- [Keith] I started
having more and more need
1421
01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:57,010
to be with intellectual
companionship to deal the situation,
1422
01:17:57,010 --> 01:18:00,960
because it really required
a lot of mental activity
1423
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,700
and talking about it
and trying to figure out
1424
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:06,320
exactly what was going on and
what to do with the situation.
1425
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:11,320
And I met this kid, Gil, who
I fall madly in love with.
1426
01:18:11,442 --> 01:18:14,025
[upbeat music]
1427
01:18:14,932 --> 01:18:16,710
- [Bill] I never even
heard of Gil, so much.
1428
01:18:16,710 --> 01:18:21,710
And I found it peculiar
that he would fall in love
1429
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,940
with a straight man.
1430
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:25,550
Now you can have friends.
1431
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:26,663
But that can not,
1432
01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:30,600
Keith was a very sexual person.
1433
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:31,560
What did that mean?
1434
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,100
That you were in love with a man
1435
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:36,373
who couldn't love you in that way.
1436
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:38,653
No judgment.
1437
01:18:38,653 --> 01:18:40,270
- I was fortunate enough
to travel with Keith
1438
01:18:40,270 --> 01:18:45,270
to many countries, France,
England, Belgium, Italy, Morocco.
1439
01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:53,150
We would go to museums together,
1440
01:18:53,150 --> 01:18:54,590
If he could get away with it,
1441
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:58,650
he would like to touch texture.
1442
01:18:58,650 --> 01:19:03,120
Not only visual but actual touching.
1443
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,953
[slow beat music]
1444
01:19:10,276 --> 01:19:13,620
- [Keith] I also have a
problem going to museums,
1445
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:18,620
knowing, trying to decide
between looking at the paintings,
1446
01:19:19,060 --> 01:19:21,470
or cruising, 'cause I was always,
1447
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:23,120
museums are some of the cruisiest places
1448
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,330
in the world, I think.
1449
01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:25,610
And I was supposed to be really interested
1450
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:30,610
in this painting, but
the power of a hot body,
1451
01:19:30,940 --> 01:19:33,040
can still over power that, so in some ways
1452
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,893
it might be, it's probably
one of the strongest forces.
1453
01:19:58,230 --> 01:20:01,370
- Keith met Piergiorgio
and Roberto Castellani
1454
01:20:01,370 --> 01:20:02,720
on the streets of New York.
1455
01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:06,460
And from that meeting,
1456
01:20:06,460 --> 01:20:10,760
developed an invitation to
come to the city of Pisa,
1457
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:15,290
which also has quite a well
known landmark already.
1458
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:18,600
And he was asked, this
contemporary artist.
1459
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,070
This gay artist, this very young artist.
1460
01:20:21,070 --> 01:20:24,350
This artist who had a
HIV, was invited to paint
1461
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:26,337
a mural on the outside of a church.
1462
01:20:27,907 --> 01:20:30,490
[upbeat music]
1463
01:20:58,052 --> 01:21:03,042
♪ Whoo ♪
1464
01:21:03,042 --> 01:21:05,846
♪ Won't be no hard times ♪
1465
01:21:05,846 --> 01:21:08,547
♪ And no suffering ♪
1466
01:21:08,547 --> 01:21:11,835
♪ When they will all be free ♪
1467
01:21:11,835 --> 01:21:16,835
♪ Whoo ♪
1468
01:21:17,283 --> 01:21:18,806
♪ Whoo ♪
1469
01:21:18,806 --> 01:21:21,556
[crowd cheering]
1470
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:30,030
- He wanted to set up a foundation
1471
01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:32,640
to carry out and to continue
1472
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,540
the kind of charitable work
1473
01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:37,780
that he had done all his life.
1474
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:40,200
He started to really focus
1475
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,410
on what he wanted to leave as a legacy.
1476
01:21:43,410 --> 01:21:45,820
- Let's just pretend you get hit by a cab.
1477
01:21:45,820 --> 01:21:47,230
Let's just go that route, Keith.
1478
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:48,580
I know you don't wanna talk about this,
1479
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:50,840
but you're throwing this
whole foundation thing
1480
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,760
on all of us and there's a certain amount
1481
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,800
of stuff here that I felt
like I needed to know.
1482
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,100
It was a little bit like
pulling teeth, at the same time.
1483
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:02,288
Not a conversation that
you really wanna have.
1484
01:22:02,288 --> 01:22:05,038
[rhythmic music]
1485
01:22:51,953 --> 01:22:56,550
- He was in Germany at
the end of January, 1990.
1486
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:59,553
He died on February 16th, 1990.
1487
01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:01,520
He didn't stop.
1488
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,800
He did not stop.
1489
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,070
- There was no one, I can't imagine anyone
1490
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:11,023
being able to do as much work as he did,
1491
01:23:12,382 --> 01:23:14,140
in that short period of time.
1492
01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:16,085
It was incredible.
1493
01:23:16,085 --> 01:23:18,793
He was like a superman or something.
1494
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:35,353
- Now he's cremated, and we had to fight,
1495
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:40,523
we had to struggle or fight for the ashes.
1496
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:46,040
Found out in a off-handed
way that you get cremated
1497
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,810
and guess what, it's actually disposed of
1498
01:23:48,810 --> 01:23:50,343
with industrial garbage.
1499
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,780
We created these two
services, two funeral services
1500
01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:00,650
that we had in the Kutztown area.
1501
01:24:00,650 --> 01:24:04,860
One at a church that his
family participates in.
1502
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:08,470
And the second service we
ended up having on the hillside
1503
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:11,250
where he used to go and hang out
1504
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:15,150
and meditate after
school, or maybe sometimes
1505
01:24:15,150 --> 01:24:16,940
during school, I'm not sure. [laughs]
1506
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:18,940
- You know I have a psychic side,
1507
01:24:18,940 --> 01:24:22,083
so ghosts and spirits whisper to me.
1508
01:24:24,147 --> 01:24:26,943
- Oh it was a sad day
when we brought his ashes.
1509
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,210
It was a rough day, period.
1510
01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:35,963
But then Julia carried them
up in a plastic container.
1511
01:24:36,861 --> 01:24:41,620
And then she opened them
and handed them to me first.
1512
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:44,680
- At the hill, they were giving out
1513
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,780
parts of the bones, to people.
1514
01:24:51,780 --> 01:24:54,540
And I received it too.
1515
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:56,530
- The neat thing was in all the family,
1516
01:24:56,530 --> 01:25:01,410
we all took some and
after we had taken them,
1517
01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:03,628
a flock of geese went over.
1518
01:25:03,628 --> 01:25:05,380
It was almost like a sign.
1519
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:07,160
- And I put it in my pocket.
1520
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,630
I thought what am I going to do with it.
1521
01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:12,267
And suddenly, Keith just whispered to me
1522
01:25:12,267 --> 01:25:15,313
saying keep it, hold it,
I'll tell you what to do.
1523
01:25:16,230 --> 01:25:17,700
So I said okay.
1524
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:19,730
- It was a beautiful day
though, when I think back on it,
1525
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:22,080
I can still look up and these clouds
1526
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,780
and it was this incredible
kind of Hollywood sky.
1527
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:29,300
It was a beautiful moment
when I think about it.
1528
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:31,520
- Kermit, I think, sprinkled them
1529
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,780
in the shape of a crawling baby.
1530
01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:37,237
He took the ashes and sprinkled them out.
1531
01:25:37,237 --> 01:25:40,530
- And I ended up officiating
this funeral service
1532
01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:43,350
for some of his closest friends,
1533
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:45,130
and certainly Tony
1534
01:25:45,130 --> 01:25:50,130
and I think the Scharfs, Kenny
and his wife, and Yoko Ono.
1535
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,503
- Yeah, that was a big doings
when Yoko Ono was in Paris.
1536
01:25:58,380 --> 01:26:01,810
- I went home and Keith said
1537
01:26:01,810 --> 01:26:06,450
that he would like me to take it to Paris.
1538
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:11,270
And put it in,
1539
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:15,858
you know the obelisk in front of the Ritz?
1540
01:26:15,858 --> 01:26:16,900
The Place Vendome.
1541
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:20,230
I went to Paris, and then
Keith just came again
1542
01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:21,563
and said do it today.
1543
01:26:22,450 --> 01:26:26,750
The car was going to a
gallery that we know,
1544
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:29,560
and it sort of passed in front the Ritz,
1545
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,090
and I said stop, stop,
I jumped out of the car
1546
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:36,760
and I just put it exactly where Keith
1547
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:37,813
said I should put it.
1548
01:26:39,949 --> 01:26:42,532
[solemn music]
1549
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,223
- To this day, it's somebody who is still,
1550
01:26:51,550 --> 01:26:53,110
to me he's still present in my life.
1551
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:55,730
Not only I have his
artwork all over my house,
1552
01:26:55,730 --> 01:26:58,480
not only my children still talk about him.
1553
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:02,310
I tell stories of his to my children
1554
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:05,580
and not only talk to my
friends about him still.
1555
01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:07,150
He's somebody very present.
1556
01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:11,963
- He would always tease
me that I'd forget him.
1557
01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:17,090
That I would forget him
soon after he passed.
1558
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:19,810
And I can honestly say,
1559
01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:23,390
that I have thought about Keith everyday
1560
01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:26,500
since he passed.
1561
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:29,680
- Keith's alive everyday
in my life, like I said
1562
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:33,440
I see his stuff on people's chat.
1563
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,910
The weirdest times, it's
like it never stops.
1564
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:38,150
It's like they say, is
it art or is it god?
1565
01:27:38,150 --> 01:27:42,990
It's like Keith is still around.
1566
01:27:42,990 --> 01:27:45,973
- I was sitting with him and I held him.
1567
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:50,000
And I said that I knew
he could understand me,
1568
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,100
that he could hear me.
1569
01:27:53,888 --> 01:27:56,917
And that everything was gonna be okay
1570
01:28:00,674 --> 01:28:03,383
and his legacy was gonna live on.
1571
01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:07,333
And it was just gonna grow.
1572
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:15,110
That he should just relax
because he's just done
1573
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:18,623
amazing things and it was gonna continue.
1574
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:22,013
And he calmed down.
1575
01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:28,550
His agitation stopped, and I
said, you know what I'm saying.
1576
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:34,593
Then he died.
1577
01:28:36,430 --> 01:28:38,193
A couple of hours later.
1578
01:28:39,715 --> 01:28:42,715
[melancholic music]
1579
01:28:53,485 --> 01:28:56,068
[upbeat music]
1580
01:29:08,781 --> 01:29:12,439
♪ Painting on a canvas. ♪
1581
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,140
♪ Painting on a canvas. ♪
1582
01:29:16,140 --> 01:29:19,921
♪ Painting on a canvas. ♪
1583
01:29:19,921 --> 01:29:23,689
♪ Painting on a canvas. ♪
1584
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:27,022
♪ Painting on a canvas. ♪
1585
01:29:54,497 --> 01:29:55,968
I would call you a total hypocrite
1586
01:29:55,968 --> 01:29:58,369
if I were to say I'm
totally against all brothers
1587
01:29:58,369 --> 01:29:59,570
'cause I think people are entitled
1588
01:29:59,570 --> 01:30:01,680
to do what they want
with their own bodies.
1589
01:30:04,316 --> 01:30:08,067
♪ With their own bodies. ♪
1590
01:30:08,067 --> 01:30:10,614
♪ With their own bodies. ♪
1591
01:30:10,614 --> 01:30:12,412
♪ Music ♪
1592
01:30:12,412 --> 01:30:14,292
♪ Music ♪
1593
01:30:14,292 --> 01:30:16,076
♪ Music ♪
1594
01:30:16,076 --> 01:30:17,966
♪ Music ♪
1595
01:30:17,966 --> 01:30:19,857
♪ Music ♪
1596
01:30:19,857 --> 01:30:21,724
♪ Music ♪
1597
01:30:21,724 --> 01:30:23,807
♪ Music ♪116652
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