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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,600 What have you done?They said 2 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,200 an incident. What source of incident?For 3 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,160 God's sake, Tom, what have you done? 4 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,240 Miss McKinney, please come in. Tom, you 5 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:43,440 too. 6 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Tom attacked another boy at lunchtime. We 7 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,120 think he may have broken his jaw. 8 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,240 Why?Well, the boy can't say, and 9 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Tom won't say. 10 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,800 I've been concerned about his behaviour 11 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,280 for some time now, but all we can get out 12 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,560 of him is a yes or a no. Is he like that 13 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,360 at home?Yeah. Or do you know 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120 why?He's a teenager. We 15 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,480 think he might be a bit more than that. 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,840 We were wondering whether we should send 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,840 him along to the Bureau. 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,240 The Bureau?The Merseyside Teenage and 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,080 Mental Health Bureau. 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Can we send Tom out for a minute?Yeah, 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,080 sure. Tom, would you mind?Just. 22 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,720 You know his history. Yes. And obviously 23 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,400 we think that that could be linked. 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,800 That's why we'd like the Bureau to take a 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,720 look at it. And how do we go about that? 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,080 We'll refer him. And if he could get his 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,920 GP to refer him to, that would help alot. 28 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,880 I'm. I'm sorry about that. I know it 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,440 looks bad. Your mum's very ill, so I hope 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:01,800 I sleep. 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Hello. 32 00:02:14,530 --> 00:02:14,930 Thanks. 33 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:21,330 Yeah, thanks. All right, yeah, 34 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:21,490 bye. 35 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:28,641 She's dad. 36 00:02:53,751 --> 00:02:56,071 Sorry to have to tell you this, Joe. Your 37 00:02:56,071 --> 00:02:56,791 mother's died. 38 00:03:07,511 --> 00:03:09,591 Don't leave the house until I get back, 39 00:03:09,991 --> 00:03:11,831 right?And you keep your phones switched 40 00:03:11,831 --> 00:03:13,521 on, 'cause I'll be tracking you. Stop for 41 00:03:13,521 --> 00:03:14,961 10 seconds. There's no phone for a week. 42 00:03:16,641 --> 00:03:17,921 Right?Yeah. Good. 43 00:04:05,041 --> 00:04:05,361 Oh. 44 00:05:15,161 --> 00:05:16,081 Ellen Mum's phone. 45 00:05:18,721 --> 00:05:20,721 I only phone to hear her voice, I'msorry. 46 00:05:29,601 --> 00:05:29,841 From you 47 00:05:33,281 --> 00:05:33,601 guys, too. 48 00:05:40,101 --> 00:05:40,581 Hello. 49 00:05:43,541 --> 00:05:44,261 Has Mum gone? 50 00:05:47,541 --> 00:05:47,701 Yeah. 51 00:05:50,541 --> 00:05:53,221 What, was it her heart?Yes. 52 00:05:55,121 --> 00:05:57,961 Did you survive?No. And she died at 53 00:05:57,961 --> 00:06:00,001 home. She's here now. 54 00:06:02,641 --> 00:06:05,001 Well, can I come to the funeral, Dad?No. 55 00:06:05,841 --> 00:06:06,481 Please. 56 00:06:09,681 --> 00:06:12,401 Anna will be there. Tom will be there. 57 00:06:12,881 --> 00:06:14,481 How could you possibly come? 58 00:06:22,291 --> 00:06:25,211 Why?You broke it. Her 59 00:06:25,291 --> 00:06:25,851 heart. 60 00:07:06,761 --> 00:07:08,281 I'll write the referral, of course I 61 00:07:08,281 --> 00:07:10,281 will. But there's no guarantee the mental 62 00:07:10,281 --> 00:07:11,601 health team will think he's sick enough 63 00:07:11,601 --> 00:07:13,641 to be seen. What do you mean, not sick 64 00:07:13,641 --> 00:07:16,001 enough?There's an epidemic of mental 65 00:07:16,001 --> 00:07:17,761 illness amongst children, Anna, and they 66 00:07:17,761 --> 00:07:20,121 can only see the worst of them. What if 67 00:07:20,121 --> 00:07:23,041 he is sick enough?First appointment, 21 68 00:07:23,041 --> 00:07:23,681 weeks. 69 00:07:27,962 --> 00:07:30,882 Okay, in the meantime?One of 70 00:07:30,882 --> 00:07:32,842 those groups might be able to help, but 71 00:07:32,842 --> 00:07:34,282 we don't recommend any in particular. 72 00:07:36,242 --> 00:07:38,162 Right. I'm sorry, I can't do more tohelp. 73 00:07:42,802 --> 00:07:45,762 Um.. I work in 74 00:07:45,762 --> 00:07:48,402 a supermarket on the till, and 75 00:07:49,442 --> 00:07:50,242 it's getting to me. 76 00:07:52,482 --> 00:07:54,162 Um.. If you'd asked for a bag, I'd have 77 00:07:54,162 --> 00:07:55,642 given you a bag, so stop them flying, I'm 78 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:58,602 a liar, right?I need you to sign 79 00:07:58,602 --> 00:08:00,722 me off and I could do with some of those 80 00:08:00,722 --> 00:08:01,922 pills you gave me last time. 81 00:08:03,602 --> 00:08:06,082 I can't, Anna. You hear about Tom. 82 00:08:06,802 --> 00:08:08,202 To talk about you needs another 83 00:08:08,202 --> 00:08:08,802 appointment. 84 00:08:10,922 --> 00:08:13,522 Right. You can make an appointment on the 85 00:08:13,522 --> 00:08:15,642 way out. Right. 86 00:08:19,762 --> 00:08:21,082 I want you to read at your grandma's 87 00:08:21,122 --> 00:08:24,002 funeral. Peter's reading 88 00:08:24,002 --> 00:08:25,442 one and I want you to read the other, 89 00:08:25,442 --> 00:08:25,842 will you? 90 00:08:31,602 --> 00:08:32,322 Did you love her? 91 00:08:35,082 --> 00:08:37,602 Yeah. I didn't show it. Read at a 92 00:08:37,762 --> 00:08:38,442 funeral. 93 00:08:42,802 --> 00:08:44,042 Are you doing this to get attention?Is 94 00:08:44,042 --> 00:08:47,002 that what it is?No. He's a knob. You 95 00:08:47,002 --> 00:08:48,642 think you've done it for so long now that 96 00:08:49,602 --> 00:08:51,322 you can't go back on it?She's a knob. Are 97 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:54,002 you doing it for a bet? 98 00:08:54,882 --> 00:08:56,642 No. A day?No. There's someone at school 99 00:08:56,642 --> 00:08:58,322 day to do it. No. He's 100 00:09:01,602 --> 00:09:02,962 just a ginormous knob. 101 00:09:35,322 --> 00:09:36,842 It's you, Shannon, and your grandad, you 102 00:09:36,842 --> 00:09:39,602 knowDid you?Yeah. We were at a 103 00:09:39,602 --> 00:09:42,562 concert. We were stood in a... Hot dog, 104 00:09:42,562 --> 00:09:45,042 Hugh. I saw your nan looking over at your 105 00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:47,962 granddad. So I introduced him, 106 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:50,842 but we got to all right. They 107 00:09:50,842 --> 00:09:51,842 ended up getting married. 108 00:09:55,842 --> 00:09:56,682 She was a great woman. 109 00:10:03,922 --> 00:10:05,402 We therefore commit her body to the 110 00:10:05,442 --> 00:10:08,362 ground, earth to earth, ashes to 111 00:10:08,402 --> 00:10:10,442 ashes, dust to dust. 112 00:11:08,362 --> 00:11:11,202 Hey, all G and T. So? 113 00:11:14,082 --> 00:11:15,922 Hey, you want another, Paul?No, I'm good, 114 00:11:15,922 --> 00:11:16,562 mate, thanks. 115 00:11:26,962 --> 00:11:28,882 You're not back on, am I?No. 116 00:11:30,202 --> 00:11:32,682 Just today. She'll kill ya. Yeah, I 117 00:11:32,802 --> 00:11:33,202 know. 118 00:11:39,612 --> 00:11:40,332 It's hard, isn't it? 119 00:11:44,172 --> 00:11:45,532 It's even harder when you're full of 120 00:11:45,532 --> 00:11:46,172 guilt, mate. 121 00:11:48,812 --> 00:11:49,132 Yeah? 122 00:11:51,932 --> 00:11:52,092 No. 123 00:11:59,202 --> 00:12:01,482 I've had a few other women, Paul. Not 124 00:12:01,522 --> 00:12:02,642 many, but a few. 125 00:12:10,002 --> 00:12:12,642 Jodie Taylor. Jodie Taylor in there? 126 00:12:12,802 --> 00:12:15,642 Yeah. Bloody 127 00:12:15,642 --> 00:12:15,922 hell. 128 00:12:18,402 --> 00:12:20,002 Punching above your weight there, aren't 129 00:12:20,323 --> 00:12:23,203 you?Yeah. I thought 130 00:12:23,203 --> 00:12:24,723 there's no way I'm ever gonna regret 131 00:12:24,723 --> 00:12:27,523 this. Stark bollock naked with Jodie 132 00:12:27,523 --> 00:12:28,163 Taylor. 133 00:12:32,803 --> 00:12:34,083 But he's doing me inmate. 134 00:12:38,723 --> 00:12:39,763 No one's perfect. 135 00:12:42,083 --> 00:12:44,563 You loved your missus. Your missus loved 136 00:12:44,563 --> 00:12:47,123 you. That's what counts. 137 00:13:10,763 --> 00:13:12,043 He's been here all day. Yeah. 138 00:13:16,443 --> 00:13:17,443 What are you doing here?You had 139 00:13:19,443 --> 00:13:20,483 your lunch here?Yeah. 140 00:13:22,323 --> 00:13:24,003 No teacher?No. 141 00:13:26,803 --> 00:13:29,043 You've been here all day on your own. 142 00:13:32,323 --> 00:13:32,443 Yeah. 143 00:13:42,363 --> 00:13:43,643 I'm not having this conversation out 144 00:13:43,643 --> 00:13:45,803 here. Please come in here. Yeah, OK. Tom 145 00:13:45,803 --> 00:13:47,323 has been put into special education 146 00:13:47,323 --> 00:13:48,843 needs. No, he hasn't, has he?He's been 147 00:13:48,923 --> 00:13:50,403 simply separated from the rest of the 148 00:13:50,403 --> 00:13:51,723 school. Yeah, for now, yes. And when does 149 00:13:51,723 --> 00:13:53,363 that change?As soon as we can get someone 150 00:13:53,443 --> 00:13:54,963 in. Not tomorrow?No, not tomorrow. Next 151 00:13:54,963 --> 00:13:56,643 week?Week after that?I don't know. Right, 152 00:13:56,643 --> 00:13:57,643 well, I'm going to take him home and 153 00:13:57,643 --> 00:13:59,523 school him there. Because he's not 154 00:13:59,523 --> 00:14:01,003 leaving. And when he's better, I want him 155 00:14:01,003 --> 00:14:02,963 back here functioning normally. Right, 156 00:14:02,963 --> 00:14:04,243 can we please talk about this?No, we 157 00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:04,563 cannot. 158 00:14:14,403 --> 00:14:16,963 Hi. Can you talk?Yeah. 159 00:14:18,483 --> 00:14:21,203 You haven't been in 160 00:14:21,363 --> 00:14:23,963 touch?No. 161 00:14:26,403 --> 00:14:26,883 Why? 162 00:14:31,043 --> 00:14:33,923 It doesn't seem right. It was all 163 00:14:33,923 --> 00:14:36,003 right when she was alive, but not now 164 00:14:36,083 --> 00:14:38,723 that she's dead. Yeah. 165 00:14:41,443 --> 00:14:43,083 We had hurt her when she was alive. We 166 00:14:43,923 --> 00:14:46,643 can't now. I 167 00:14:46,643 --> 00:14:49,363 know, but it still doesn't seem 168 00:14:49,363 --> 00:14:51,763 right. So what do you want to do? 169 00:14:58,483 --> 00:15:01,123 I don't know. Do you want us to finish? 170 00:15:07,313 --> 00:15:09,993 I don't know. There's nothing to stop us 171 00:15:09,993 --> 00:15:11,873 seeing each other now. It's okay, it's a 172 00:15:11,873 --> 00:15:14,113 bit soon. So we keep it secret a bit 173 00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:15,953 longer, but eventually, 174 00:15:17,153 --> 00:15:18,673 we can be out in the open. 175 00:15:24,513 --> 00:15:25,793 Yeah?There's someone at the door, I've 176 00:15:25,793 --> 00:15:28,673 got to go. Right. 177 00:15:37,683 --> 00:15:39,323 So when you get out, you can't go and hit 178 00:15:39,323 --> 00:15:41,203 the victim on his family. You understand 179 00:15:41,203 --> 00:15:44,003 that?Yeah. So we do have an 180 00:15:44,003 --> 00:15:46,643 exclusion zone, right?It's 181 00:15:46,643 --> 00:15:48,883 basically anywhere within the 26th Bull 182 00:15:48,883 --> 00:15:51,523 Street. He lives there, goes to school 183 00:15:51,523 --> 00:15:53,483 and his mates there, his mum's there and 184 00:15:53,483 --> 00:15:56,083 their family. So it's a no-go zone area 185 00:15:56,083 --> 00:15:58,883 for you, I'm afraid. Can I 186 00:15:58,883 --> 00:15:59,963 see you get a copy of that?Are 187 00:16:02,243 --> 00:16:05,203 you looking for a job?Mum. 188 00:16:06,123 --> 00:16:08,003 I sent out 28 letters and I got one 189 00:16:08,003 --> 00:16:10,963 reply. It was like, do you say, thank you 190 00:16:11,203 --> 00:16:13,723 for your letter, but our policy is not to 191 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:14,883 employ sex offenders. 192 00:16:16,723 --> 00:16:19,603 Yours sincerely, et cetera. Am I gonna 193 00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:22,083 whiff a self-pity there, Joe?No, no, it's 194 00:16:22,083 --> 00:16:24,683 just, it's more of a realistic appraisal 195 00:16:24,683 --> 00:16:26,243 in my current situation, that's all. 196 00:16:28,923 --> 00:16:31,083 Right, I've told us any more about the 197 00:16:31,083 --> 00:16:33,603 hostel?Yeah, I don't want to. 198 00:16:35,163 --> 00:16:36,363 Well, have you got anywhere else to live? 199 00:16:38,603 --> 00:16:40,883 No. They were not back at hostel. 200 00:16:41,603 --> 00:16:43,043 Because they'll know I'm a sex offender. 201 00:16:43,443 --> 00:16:45,003 Not necessarily. Oh, they'll know, and 202 00:16:45,003 --> 00:16:46,163 they'll glass me like I've seen it 203 00:16:46,163 --> 00:16:46,883 before, Jack. Have 204 00:16:49,203 --> 00:16:51,763 you heard of St. Maurice?No. 205 00:16:53,443 --> 00:16:54,723 Well, they take in men who are sexually 206 00:16:54,723 --> 00:16:57,043 offended. And there's six places, but I 207 00:16:57,043 --> 00:16:58,243 know there's only five there at the 208 00:16:58,243 --> 00:17:00,403 moment. Well, is it a Christian thing? 209 00:17:00,483 --> 00:17:03,323 Yeah. Are they going to go to church and 210 00:17:03,323 --> 00:17:05,523 all that?Only on a Sunday. Whoa, Joe, 211 00:17:06,083 --> 00:17:08,963 it's either these people or a tent. They 212 00:17:08,963 --> 00:17:10,643 don't need you. You need them. 213 00:17:12,643 --> 00:17:13,603 So we're interested?Well, 214 00:17:17,924 --> 00:17:19,284 I like to put it like that, yeah?Well, 215 00:17:20,644 --> 00:17:22,404 I'll have to interview you first. It's a 216 00:17:22,404 --> 00:17:25,324 Catherine Farrell. Right. 217 00:17:38,244 --> 00:17:40,324 Are you all right?Hiya. Right, do you 218 00:17:40,324 --> 00:17:42,844 want to sit down?Yeah. So you want to 219 00:17:42,884 --> 00:17:45,524 come and stay with us for a bit, yeah?Yeah 220 00:17:46,004 --> 00:17:48,804 Why?I've, um.. 221 00:17:49,844 --> 00:17:51,044 I've got nowhere else to go. Well, 222 00:17:53,204 --> 00:17:56,164 you'd have to work with us. work on 223 00:17:56,164 --> 00:17:57,524 coming to terms with what you did. It 224 00:17:57,684 --> 00:17:59,364 would be different from what you've done 225 00:17:59,524 --> 00:18:01,124 here in the prison. Could you do that? 226 00:18:02,964 --> 00:18:03,284 Yeah. And 227 00:18:06,844 --> 00:18:08,444 what would you hope to get from that? 228 00:18:12,244 --> 00:18:14,324 Um, forgiveness. Do you 229 00:18:16,364 --> 00:18:17,284 think that's likely? 230 00:18:19,604 --> 00:18:21,844 No, but what you said hope to get, nor 231 00:18:22,284 --> 00:18:22,964 expect to get. 232 00:18:25,084 --> 00:18:27,084 Anything else?Anything else you'd hope to 233 00:18:27,124 --> 00:18:27,684 get from it? 234 00:18:33,254 --> 00:18:35,014 Yeah, but it's it's like selfish of me. 235 00:18:35,094 --> 00:18:37,174 Isn't forgiveness selfish? 236 00:18:38,134 --> 00:18:39,774 Yeah, but it can help to forgive her, 237 00:18:39,774 --> 00:18:42,734 can't it?Like 238 00:18:42,854 --> 00:18:44,214 this other thing's just for me. And 239 00:18:45,734 --> 00:18:46,294 what is it? 240 00:18:49,374 --> 00:18:51,254 I'd rather not say, if if that's okay. 241 00:18:51,574 --> 00:18:52,774 Oh, it doesn't really work like that, 242 00:18:52,774 --> 00:18:55,654 Joe. You see, we expect openness 243 00:18:55,894 --> 00:18:57,094 and honesty. 244 00:19:05,604 --> 00:19:07,484 I had to go to sleep one night not hating 245 00:19:07,484 --> 00:19:09,364 myself and to wake up one morning not 246 00:19:09,364 --> 00:19:10,164 hating myself. 247 00:19:12,644 --> 00:19:13,524 Like just once... 248 00:19:17,844 --> 00:19:19,204 I don't know if it can happen once, it 249 00:19:19,204 --> 00:19:21,244 can happen again, can't it?I've 250 00:19:32,644 --> 00:19:33,404 been in the DMs. 251 00:19:50,124 --> 00:19:50,324 Hello. 252 00:20:00,614 --> 00:20:03,574 Hi, it's it's it's Joe Mitchell. He 253 00:20:03,574 --> 00:20:05,214 told me to phone when I was on Cranfield 254 00:20:05,214 --> 00:20:08,204 St. I'm here now. Yeah, it's 255 00:20:08,244 --> 00:20:09,324 number 32, Joe. All 256 00:20:13,284 --> 00:20:14,084 right, thanks. 257 00:20:22,044 --> 00:20:24,644 Are you all right?Yeah. Come in, then. 258 00:20:30,684 --> 00:20:32,324 We like to keep the address a secret, if 259 00:20:32,324 --> 00:20:33,684 you could do the same. Otherwise, it's 260 00:20:33,684 --> 00:20:35,244 bricks through the window and whatnot. 261 00:20:35,604 --> 00:20:37,844 Right. Would you like a cup of tea? 262 00:20:39,324 --> 00:20:42,164 Um, yeah, please. We want you to come 263 00:20:42,164 --> 00:20:44,964 to church with us on a Sunday. Can you do 264 00:20:44,964 --> 00:20:47,764 that?Yeah. And you're 265 00:20:47,764 --> 00:20:49,924 not to bring anyone back here. 266 00:20:51,764 --> 00:20:52,164 Ever. 267 00:20:54,684 --> 00:20:57,524 Okay. Right, how do you 268 00:20:57,524 --> 00:21:00,444 take your tea?So you 269 00:21:00,444 --> 00:21:03,204 don't, it's not X and Y, 270 00:21:03,764 --> 00:21:06,324 it's apples and bananas, 271 00:21:06,484 --> 00:21:08,804 right?So four bananas 272 00:21:09,844 --> 00:21:11,764 and two bananas, that's six bananas, 273 00:21:11,884 --> 00:21:14,324 right?And then six bananas 274 00:21:15,284 --> 00:21:17,684 over three, divided by three, yeah? 275 00:21:18,404 --> 00:21:21,084 YeahSix bananas divided by three bananas, 276 00:21:21,084 --> 00:21:23,844 that's two, isn't it?Yeah. 277 00:21:23,924 --> 00:21:25,524 Yeah, two bananas, so say it. So 278 00:21:28,564 --> 00:21:29,284 say it, son. 279 00:21:33,444 --> 00:21:34,004 Please? 280 00:21:39,044 --> 00:21:40,244 I still want to look at the house. Hi. 281 00:21:58,964 --> 00:22:01,924 Yeah. We've started... 282 00:22:02,804 --> 00:22:05,204 Started what?Eating. Oh, 283 00:22:06,884 --> 00:22:07,284 all right. 284 00:22:15,165 --> 00:22:18,005 Uh, I'm sorry. Do you want to sit 285 00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:19,645 down?Yeah. 286 00:22:22,685 --> 00:22:25,565 It's Ben, Lenny, Brian, Mike, and 287 00:22:25,565 --> 00:22:25,805 Jack. 288 00:22:29,485 --> 00:22:29,925 Help yourself. 289 00:22:33,605 --> 00:22:35,965 All right, just... Thanks. 290 00:22:40,165 --> 00:22:42,245 Hey, Lenny, sitting here beside of me, 291 00:22:42,245 --> 00:22:44,245 yeah?Yeah 292 00:22:46,245 --> 00:22:47,685 He fucked his 10-year-old daughter. 293 00:22:54,085 --> 00:22:54,885 I read his file. 294 00:22:57,325 --> 00:22:58,205 There's some good stuff, innit? 295 00:23:01,405 --> 00:23:01,725 All right. 296 00:23:04,485 --> 00:23:05,285 You got your file?No. 297 00:23:10,885 --> 00:23:12,085 Could I read it?No. 298 00:23:14,325 --> 00:23:16,005 I'd let you read mine. I'm fine. Thanks, 299 00:23:16,005 --> 00:23:16,325 mate. 300 00:23:33,445 --> 00:23:35,925 Hopefully this will be the first of a few 301 00:23:35,925 --> 00:23:38,485 sessions that we have together, Joe. Was 302 00:23:38,485 --> 00:23:40,965 it like therapy?A bit like that, yeah. 303 00:23:41,965 --> 00:23:44,245 Right. Did you get loads of these in 304 00:23:44,245 --> 00:23:47,085 prison?Yeah. What were they 305 00:23:47,085 --> 00:23:49,965 like?Yeah, they 306 00:23:49,965 --> 00:23:51,725 were good. They were shaped, weren't 307 00:23:54,005 --> 00:23:54,125 they? 308 00:23:57,325 --> 00:23:57,845 Why'd you go?I 309 00:24:01,965 --> 00:24:04,525 don't know. Get your boxes 310 00:24:04,525 --> 00:24:04,965 ticked. 311 00:24:08,925 --> 00:24:11,485 Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that you're going 312 00:24:11,485 --> 00:24:14,285 to find these, uh, a bit more 313 00:24:14,285 --> 00:24:14,965 helpful. 314 00:24:17,365 --> 00:24:19,125 In prison, they might have told you that 315 00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:21,325 you'd always be as you are now, sexually 316 00:24:21,325 --> 00:24:23,325 attracted to boys, no cure. 317 00:24:24,205 --> 00:24:26,605 just control it. Is that right? 318 00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:32,565 Yeah. We don't believe 319 00:24:32,565 --> 00:24:35,125 that. We 320 00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:36,805 believe that we can do more. Would 321 00:24:40,125 --> 00:24:42,765 you like that?Not 322 00:24:42,765 --> 00:24:45,605 today, obviously. It will take some 323 00:24:45,605 --> 00:24:46,005 time. 324 00:25:00,005 --> 00:25:00,925 Could you fix me?I 325 00:25:05,085 --> 00:25:05,605 don't know. 326 00:25:09,405 --> 00:25:11,445 And I got married and I'd just left me, 327 00:25:11,445 --> 00:25:12,405 my dad and my mum. 328 00:25:14,685 --> 00:25:16,605 I like come home from work and hang 329 00:25:16,605 --> 00:25:18,805 around for me me turn and go out for a 330 00:25:18,805 --> 00:25:21,565 pint. Every night?Yeah, 331 00:25:21,605 --> 00:25:22,245 most like, yeah. 332 00:25:24,765 --> 00:25:27,605 Did you have girlfriends?I had a 333 00:25:27,605 --> 00:25:30,565 few of you. And were you 334 00:25:30,565 --> 00:25:32,805 intimate sexually with them? 335 00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:38,405 Yeah. Did you enjoy it? 336 00:25:41,765 --> 00:25:42,565 Sometimes, yeah. 337 00:25:44,645 --> 00:25:46,325 Did your mum and dad visit you in prison? 338 00:25:47,765 --> 00:25:50,205 No, it was just me mum. My dad couldn't 339 00:25:50,205 --> 00:25:51,125 even look at me, really. 340 00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:56,325 Yeah, no one could. It was, um.. It was 341 00:25:56,325 --> 00:25:57,605 just me mum that came to see me. 342 00:26:00,645 --> 00:26:02,085 That must have been incredibly hard when 343 00:26:02,085 --> 00:26:02,645 she died. 344 00:26:08,215 --> 00:26:11,175 Yeah. Did you 345 00:26:11,175 --> 00:26:11,775 get to see her? 346 00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:19,015 No. Did you 347 00:26:21,735 --> 00:26:22,535 go to the funeral? 348 00:26:26,535 --> 00:26:27,415 No, I wasn't allowed. 349 00:26:32,365 --> 00:26:32,925 I'm sorry, Joe. 350 00:26:37,925 --> 00:26:39,445 Well, that's not more than I deserve. 351 00:26:41,045 --> 00:26:43,965 Really?Well, I'm shit aren't I? 352 00:26:43,965 --> 00:26:46,925 I'm just a piece of 353 00:26:46,925 --> 00:26:47,445 shit 354 00:26:52,485 --> 00:26:53,605 Would you like to be me? 355 00:26:57,445 --> 00:26:59,565 I'm happy being me. Well, and you don't 356 00:26:59,565 --> 00:27:00,885 realise how lucky you are. Like, 357 00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:08,886 when... When do these, um.. When do these 358 00:27:08,886 --> 00:27:10,606 sessions finish?Like, when do they end?Do 359 00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:13,526 you want them to end?Yeah. Fine. 360 00:27:39,046 --> 00:27:40,846 Had you done it before, what you did to 361 00:27:40,846 --> 00:27:43,366 Tom?Had you done it to anybody else? 362 00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:44,566 No. 363 00:27:47,326 --> 00:27:47,766 Okay. 364 00:27:50,806 --> 00:27:52,006 Can you tell me what happened? 365 00:27:56,926 --> 00:27:59,766 What's in there?I'd like you to tell me. 366 00:28:01,046 --> 00:28:03,806 Why?I'd 367 00:28:03,806 --> 00:28:06,246 like to hear it from you, if that's okay. 368 00:28:20,676 --> 00:28:22,116 Lots of people want to come here, Jo. 369 00:28:24,516 --> 00:28:26,036 They give their right arm to be sitting 370 00:28:26,036 --> 00:28:26,756 where you are now. 371 00:28:28,956 --> 00:28:31,636 That's why we expect everyone here 372 00:28:32,436 --> 00:28:34,036 to do their very best. 373 00:28:44,926 --> 00:28:47,686 I like making things, and Tom's the same. 374 00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:49,046 He's got, like, the same gene. 375 00:28:58,526 --> 00:28:59,926 And I've been going around there every 376 00:28:59,926 --> 00:29:01,526 Sunday, and we'd have, like, a late 377 00:29:01,526 --> 00:29:04,406 breakfast. And they'd go 378 00:29:04,406 --> 00:29:06,566 and wash up, and then and then me and Tom 379 00:29:06,566 --> 00:29:08,406 would go into the yard and do a bit of 380 00:29:08,406 --> 00:29:09,246 welding or something. 381 00:29:20,326 --> 00:29:22,646 this day I wanted to show him some good 382 00:29:22,646 --> 00:29:24,166 stuff on the internet, so... 383 00:29:26,326 --> 00:29:29,086 So we stayed in the room, and... 384 00:29:29,086 --> 00:29:29,446 And 385 00:29:34,646 --> 00:29:36,246 it was warm and he had like a... Yeah, 386 00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:47,836 like a t-shirt and shorts on, 387 00:29:48,596 --> 00:29:51,446 and and he was all just like... arms and 388 00:29:51,446 --> 00:29:54,406 legs and not not an ounce of fat 389 00:29:54,406 --> 00:29:56,166 on him. Like, he was... 390 00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:01,526 Like, he was beautiful. 391 00:30:05,766 --> 00:30:06,086 I... 392 00:30:15,406 --> 00:30:18,046 I'd been touching him for weeks. I'd 393 00:30:18,046 --> 00:30:20,886 started off with, like, a 394 00:30:20,886 --> 00:30:22,526 little part on the knee at the end. 395 00:30:25,246 --> 00:30:27,486 and went a bit, a bit further up each 396 00:30:27,486 --> 00:30:29,846 time. And he didn't say nothing. 397 00:30:30,486 --> 00:30:33,126 So... So I 398 00:30:33,126 --> 00:30:34,886 thought, like, you know, like, 399 00:30:36,606 --> 00:30:37,966 this is it, this is... 400 00:30:43,736 --> 00:30:45,456 Like, this is the day I touched his cock 401 00:30:46,216 --> 00:30:49,016 And I touched it, 402 00:30:49,176 --> 00:30:51,936 and he, like, he went berserk. And 403 00:30:53,656 --> 00:30:56,616 And his mum and 404 00:30:56,616 --> 00:30:59,446 dad came in,and his dad started 405 00:30:59,446 --> 00:31:00,006 hitting me. 406 00:31:03,126 --> 00:31:04,766 And I felt like I had to take it, so I 407 00:31:04,766 --> 00:31:07,446 did. And then I don't I 408 00:31:07,966 --> 00:31:09,926 don't know where I went after that, 409 00:31:11,446 --> 00:31:13,126 but by the time I got back, there was 410 00:31:13,126 --> 00:31:15,966 like a a police car waiting outside our 411 00:31:15,966 --> 00:31:16,406 house. 412 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:23,366 Like, I do feel ashamed of 413 00:31:23,486 --> 00:31:26,406 what I did to Tom and his parents. 414 00:31:27,846 --> 00:31:28,886 I do, or... 415 00:31:36,116 --> 00:31:37,156 Boy, I feel... 416 00:31:40,596 --> 00:31:43,236 I feel even more ashamed of what I did to 417 00:31:43,236 --> 00:31:43,796 me mum. 418 00:32:01,446 --> 00:32:02,646 Why can't you do the hours that you're 419 00:32:02,646 --> 00:32:04,567 doing now?Because I need to home school 420 00:32:04,567 --> 00:32:06,007 my son. Well, can't you own schooling at 421 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:07,927 night?No. Why not? 422 00:32:09,087 --> 00:32:11,247 Because I just can't. So what would you 423 00:32:11,247 --> 00:32:13,287 like?Well, ideally, Excuse me, where are 424 00:32:13,287 --> 00:32:16,087 you at?It's 425 00:32:16,447 --> 00:32:17,847 down that aisle or bottom right?Oh, 426 00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:20,447 thanks. Ideally, I'd like a split shift, 427 00:32:20,447 --> 00:32:22,447 like early mornings and late afternoons. 428 00:32:22,447 --> 00:32:24,647 I can't. I don't need anybody early 429 00:32:24,647 --> 00:32:26,287 morning. And there's no sort of shift 430 00:32:26,287 --> 00:32:28,567 anyway. Right. So. So what am I supposed 431 00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:30,607 to do?Carry on with what you're doing. 432 00:32:30,607 --> 00:32:33,447 I'll jack it in. What's it to be? 433 00:32:34,807 --> 00:32:36,447 I really appreciate the overwhelming 434 00:32:36,487 --> 00:32:38,607 sympathy you're displaying. What's it to 435 00:32:38,647 --> 00:32:41,007 be?Well, a few of the hours I've got, 436 00:32:41,687 --> 00:32:41,967 right? 437 00:33:13,767 --> 00:33:16,047 Tom. Oh, 438 00:33:17,327 --> 00:33:19,007 God. tom-tom. 439 00:33:20,807 --> 00:33:21,287 Tom. 440 00:33:24,127 --> 00:33:26,487 Peter! What?Call an ambulance! What? 441 00:33:27,847 --> 00:33:30,567 Call an ambulance now! Come on, Sutton. 442 00:33:31,127 --> 00:33:33,607 Come on. Come onHey. Hey 443 00:33:35,527 --> 00:33:37,207 Come on. Come 444 00:33:38,647 --> 00:33:38,967 on 445 00:33:43,967 --> 00:33:44,167 Tom! Hey, 446 00:34:15,607 --> 00:34:18,087 They say it was a crisis of help, but how 447 00:34:18,087 --> 00:34:19,687 can I help?What can I do? 448 00:34:25,767 --> 00:34:28,567 The mental help bureau will see you soon 449 00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:30,167 and all. Did you know that?Is that why 450 00:34:30,167 --> 00:34:31,687 you did it, to move up the list? 451 00:34:35,647 --> 00:34:35,887 Is it? 452 00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:42,087 What do you want? 453 00:34:44,967 --> 00:34:45,607 It's me son. You 454 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:50,087 okay, son?Yeah?YeahWhat 455 00:35:04,047 --> 00:35:05,327 have you been doing, hey? 456 00:35:10,047 --> 00:35:11,247 Peter called you, I assume. 457 00:35:14,327 --> 00:35:14,727 Yeah. 458 00:35:17,967 --> 00:35:18,887 He's my son, too. 459 00:35:22,527 --> 00:35:23,167 What have they said?They 460 00:35:25,847 --> 00:35:27,447 don't think it was a genuine attempt. 461 00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,767 I've been trying to get him an 462 00:35:30,767 --> 00:35:32,567 appointment with the mental healthbureau. 463 00:35:35,207 --> 00:35:36,807 This means he'll definitely see him now. 464 00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:42,327 OK. I've come with nothing, sir. 465 00:35:42,887 --> 00:35:44,967 Can you wreak the habit of a lifetime and 466 00:35:44,967 --> 00:35:47,567 then me a tenner, please?I'll drive you. 467 00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,447 No, I want to get a taxi. I've got no 468 00:35:49,447 --> 00:35:52,327 money. You've got no money?It's your 469 00:35:52,327 --> 00:35:53,687 cards these days, isn't it? 470 00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:05,247 Joe's out. 471 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,327 HuhWhat, he got just under 472 00:36:11,327 --> 00:36:13,807 forwarded half, he's out on licence. 473 00:36:16,167 --> 00:36:18,487 He hasn't been around, has he?No, he's 474 00:36:18,607 --> 00:36:19,287 excluded. 475 00:36:24,887 --> 00:36:27,207 Does Tom know he's out?Yeah. Do 476 00:36:28,727 --> 00:36:31,247 you think that's why he did it?The Bureau 477 00:36:31,247 --> 00:36:31,967 will find that out. 478 00:36:36,327 --> 00:36:38,247 I, um.. I.. 479 00:36:41,047 --> 00:36:42,327 I might have to prep my job in. 480 00:36:44,047 --> 00:36:46,407 Why is that?I'm home-schooling Tom, which 481 00:36:46,407 --> 00:36:48,887 means you're going to have to shape up a 482 00:36:48,887 --> 00:36:51,767 bit, money-wise. Yeah, I'll do me 483 00:36:51,767 --> 00:36:52,087 best. 484 00:36:58,727 --> 00:37:00,167 You had anyone round?Yeah. 485 00:37:01,848 --> 00:37:04,328 Any offers?No. 486 00:37:07,848 --> 00:37:09,168 You think maybe that's going to be too 487 00:37:09,168 --> 00:37:10,368 much?No. 488 00:37:12,928 --> 00:37:15,808 Can I come in?No. 489 00:37:42,088 --> 00:37:44,808 Most Merciful God, we have sinned 490 00:37:44,808 --> 00:37:47,648 against you in thought, word and 491 00:37:47,648 --> 00:37:49,968 deed, by what we have done, and 492 00:37:50,808 --> 00:37:52,728 by what we have left undone. 493 00:37:53,808 --> 00:37:55,368 We have not loved you with our whole 494 00:37:55,368 --> 00:37:57,448 heart, and we have not loved our 495 00:37:57,448 --> 00:38:00,408 neighbors as ourselves, and we justly 496 00:38:00,408 --> 00:38:03,008 deserve your present and eternal 497 00:38:03,168 --> 00:38:05,528 punishment through our fault, 498 00:38:06,248 --> 00:38:08,768 through our fault, through our most 499 00:38:08,768 --> 00:38:11,048 grievous fault. Amen. 500 00:38:11,848 --> 00:38:14,568 May Almighty God have mercy on 501 00:38:14,608 --> 00:38:16,968 us, forgive us our sins, 502 00:38:17,768 --> 00:38:20,648 and bring us to everlasting life. 503 00:38:21,608 --> 00:38:21,768 Amen. 504 00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:25,568 Take a seat, Joe. 505 00:38:29,608 --> 00:38:32,568 Now, we we want 506 00:38:32,568 --> 00:38:34,768 you to be part of our community here, 507 00:38:34,768 --> 00:38:37,528 Joe. At the 508 00:38:37,528 --> 00:38:39,768 same time, we have to protect this 509 00:38:39,768 --> 00:38:42,128 community, yes?Yeah. So you see there's a 510 00:38:42,928 --> 00:38:45,448 bit of a dilemma there, you 511 00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:48,568 know?Your development, your growth 512 00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:52,088 versus the safety of the people. So, 513 00:38:52,368 --> 00:38:54,968 we've drawn up a few rules, 514 00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:57,528 my rules, not the church's, and I'd like 515 00:38:57,528 --> 00:38:59,928 to outline them if that's okay. Okay 516 00:39:00,488 --> 00:39:03,448 Right, so, we'd like you to come 517 00:39:03,448 --> 00:39:05,528 to service, Joe, but only this one, 518 00:39:06,408 --> 00:39:08,568 service at this time of day has fewer 519 00:39:08,568 --> 00:39:10,648 children, you see, okay? 520 00:39:11,648 --> 00:39:14,408 And you always sit here, Joe, altogether, 521 00:39:14,528 --> 00:39:16,368 and not with any other members of the 522 00:39:16,368 --> 00:39:19,048 congregation. And you're not to speak 523 00:39:19,368 --> 00:39:20,688 to any other members of the congregation. 524 00:39:20,688 --> 00:39:22,488 If they speak to you, answer them by all 525 00:39:22,488 --> 00:39:25,208 means. But you're not to initiate a 526 00:39:25,208 --> 00:39:27,608 conversation with anyone. 527 00:39:28,968 --> 00:39:31,128 If you bump into any member of the 528 00:39:31,128 --> 00:39:34,088 congregation outside this church, you're 529 00:39:34,088 --> 00:39:37,048 to let us know. And if you arrange 530 00:39:37,048 --> 00:39:40,008 to meet anyone, you're to tell us, 531 00:39:40,568 --> 00:39:43,368 and we'll decide whether it's suitable 532 00:39:45,128 --> 00:39:46,328 or not. Well, then, all that said, Joe, 533 00:39:47,808 --> 00:39:48,568 Mrs. 534 00:39:50,408 --> 00:39:52,968 McKinney, please come in. How are you? 535 00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:54,248 I've been better. 536 00:39:56,688 --> 00:39:59,208 How's Tom?He's he's OK. 537 00:39:59,608 --> 00:40:01,568 He's still. not talking but he's reading 538 00:40:01,568 --> 00:40:04,488 and writing and I'm not the best 539 00:40:04,488 --> 00:40:06,688 home schooler but you know he seems to be 540 00:40:06,688 --> 00:40:09,008 doing okay. Difficult isn't it? 541 00:40:09,528 --> 00:40:10,728 Stressful. Yeah. 542 00:40:12,728 --> 00:40:13,848 Have you thought any more about the 543 00:40:13,848 --> 00:40:15,928 specialist school?Yeah. 544 00:40:16,968 --> 00:40:18,648 He's not going. May I ask why? 545 00:40:20,608 --> 00:40:23,528 Well would you send your son there?Well 546 00:40:23,528 --> 00:40:25,768 yeah if he needed it. They're not what 547 00:40:25,768 --> 00:40:27,128 you imagine Mrs. McKinney, they do 548 00:40:27,128 --> 00:40:28,248 brilliant work with children with 549 00:40:28,248 --> 00:40:31,048 specialist needs. It's... He's 550 00:40:31,048 --> 00:40:33,768 still not going. You know, I 551 00:40:33,768 --> 00:40:36,568 know the head teacher of Church Row Comp. 552 00:40:36,568 --> 00:40:37,768 Yeah, he's not going there either. It's 553 00:40:37,808 --> 00:40:39,408 got every facility that Tom could ever 554 00:40:39,528 --> 00:40:41,208 need. It's got every facility because 555 00:40:41,208 --> 00:40:42,648 everyone who goes there's thick as two 556 00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:44,008 short planks. And I'm... 557 00:40:45,608 --> 00:40:46,928 Sorry, I know I shouldn't say that, but 558 00:40:46,928 --> 00:40:49,728 sod it's the truth. What do you intend to 559 00:40:49,728 --> 00:40:52,248 do then?I'm gonna continue to home-school 560 00:40:52,568 --> 00:40:55,048 him, and the mental health bureau's gonna 561 00:40:55,048 --> 00:40:57,528 treat him, and when he's better, he's... 562 00:40:58,488 --> 00:40:59,768 He's going to come back here?Yeah, and 563 00:40:59,768 --> 00:41:01,808 that could take a long time. Yeah. 564 00:41:05,048 --> 00:41:07,248 You know, there's Shearcross. That's a... 565 00:41:08,208 --> 00:41:10,128 Well, it's a very good school. It's not 566 00:41:10,128 --> 00:41:11,768 as good as Church Road, but it's still 567 00:41:11,768 --> 00:41:13,088 very good. I think it would really suit 568 00:41:13,088 --> 00:41:13,368 Tom. 569 00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,488 Mm-hmmAm I right in thinking that if he 570 00:41:18,488 --> 00:41:20,808 goes to another school, then he becomes 571 00:41:20,888 --> 00:41:22,648 their problem?Like, he won't be able to 572 00:41:22,648 --> 00:41:25,088 come back here, for instance, when he 573 00:41:25,088 --> 00:41:27,728 gets better?No, he wouldn't. 574 00:41:28,488 --> 00:41:30,128 Right, so how's that good for Tom, taking 575 00:41:30,128 --> 00:41:31,408 him out of the school that he loves, 576 00:41:31,408 --> 00:41:32,968 where he knows everyone and dumping him 577 00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:34,648 somewhere strange, when he needs more 578 00:41:34,888 --> 00:41:37,208 support than he's ever done?It's good for 579 00:41:37,208 --> 00:41:38,728 Tom because it brings a bit of certainty 580 00:41:38,728 --> 00:41:40,408 back into his life. I don't think it 581 00:41:40,408 --> 00:41:43,008 does. I think it does the opposite. We 582 00:41:43,008 --> 00:41:44,408 need a decision, Mrs. McKinney. It's 583 00:41:44,408 --> 00:41:46,368 Churchill Comprehensive, Shercross or the 584 00:41:46,368 --> 00:41:47,888 specialist school?Right, and I've made my 585 00:41:47,888 --> 00:41:49,608 decision. None of them. If you won't do 586 00:41:49,608 --> 00:41:50,568 it, we'll do it for you. 587 00:41:53,208 --> 00:41:54,168 Why are you doing this? 588 00:41:56,489 --> 00:41:59,049 You hardly see, Tom. What's your problem? 589 00:41:59,449 --> 00:42:00,849 Well, if you won't do it, we'll have to 590 00:42:00,849 --> 00:42:03,409 do it for you. It's the 591 00:42:03,409 --> 00:42:04,569 absenteeism, isn't it? 592 00:42:07,209 --> 00:42:08,729 You're actually spoiling your record, 593 00:42:08,809 --> 00:42:11,169 your oh-so-precious school attendance 594 00:42:11,209 --> 00:42:13,169 record. This has got nothing to do with 595 00:42:13,169 --> 00:42:15,049 the absenteeism figures. Oh, it's got 596 00:42:15,049 --> 00:42:16,329 everything to do with it. Now, I'll tell 597 00:42:16,329 --> 00:42:17,849 you something. I'm gonna go, but you're 598 00:42:18,729 --> 00:42:21,449 gonna listen to this first. This is 599 00:42:21,449 --> 00:42:24,009 my son's local 600 00:42:24,249 --> 00:42:27,209 school. His brother comes 601 00:42:27,209 --> 00:42:29,209 here, I came here, and if you try to 602 00:42:29,209 --> 00:42:30,969 drive him out, I am going to contact 603 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:33,209 every parent governor and ask them how 604 00:42:33,209 --> 00:42:35,529 they'd like their kids treated like this. 605 00:42:35,529 --> 00:42:37,569 They're desperately ill kids, because 606 00:42:37,569 --> 00:42:39,049 that's what my son is, how they'd like 607 00:42:39,049 --> 00:42:41,369 their kids treated in this fashion. 608 00:42:44,009 --> 00:42:45,409 And I promise you I will do that. 609 00:42:54,249 --> 00:42:55,609 like to go back to the day that you 610 00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:58,209 committed the offence. Right. 611 00:42:59,369 --> 00:43:00,729 Can you tell me what you were thinking? 612 00:43:04,809 --> 00:43:07,729 Nothing. You said that you knew 613 00:43:07,729 --> 00:43:09,689 that was the day you'd touched Tom. 614 00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:15,929 Yeah. What did you think 615 00:43:15,929 --> 00:43:16,889 his reaction would be?Well, 616 00:43:22,329 --> 00:43:24,729 I thought he'd like him. Why?I 617 00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:26,249 just did. 618 00:43:29,209 --> 00:43:31,289 Prior to that, you touched his knee and 619 00:43:31,289 --> 00:43:32,169 his leg, yeah?Yeah 620 00:43:35,769 --> 00:43:36,809 How did he react? 621 00:43:39,449 --> 00:43:41,849 He didn't. He didn't say he liked it. 622 00:43:47,209 --> 00:43:50,169 No. He didn't say he didn't 623 00:43:50,369 --> 00:43:50,809 like it. 624 00:43:55,209 --> 00:43:58,009 No. So what made you 625 00:43:58,009 --> 00:44:00,489 think he'd like you to touch his penis? 626 00:44:10,009 --> 00:44:11,329 Is it too difficult to answer? 627 00:44:15,049 --> 00:44:16,169 But there is an answer. 628 00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:20,009 Yeah. 629 00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:35,689 I've got breast cancer. 630 00:44:40,369 --> 00:44:41,409 I'm telling my mum tonight. 631 00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:46,689 Dreading it. She wanted me to 632 00:44:46,689 --> 00:44:48,809 get married like my sister, have kids 633 00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:50,609 like my sister, have grandchildren like 634 00:44:50,609 --> 00:44:53,289 my sister. And instead, 635 00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:55,529 I became a nun because that's what God 636 00:44:55,529 --> 00:44:58,329 wanted me to do. And now I've got breast 637 00:44:58,329 --> 00:45:01,049 cancer. The nun's disease. 638 00:45:11,879 --> 00:45:13,359 She's going to find it really difficult. 639 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,519 Is there anything you can do?Yeah, a 640 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,279 mastectomy. I don't know when, but soon. 641 00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,239 I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you, Jo. I 642 00:45:30,919 --> 00:45:32,759 know you expect me to tell you everything 643 00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:35,079 because you've told me that. No. 644 00:45:36,889 --> 00:45:38,729 No, I just wanted you to know that what 645 00:45:38,729 --> 00:45:41,369 happens here goes both ways. 646 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,959 Right, then. I'm not with silence. 647 00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:57,919 You're comfortable with silence, but me, 648 00:45:57,919 --> 00:45:58,359 I'm... 649 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:03,719 a child abuser. I'm just waiting for you 650 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,319 to speak. I 651 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:10,599 was touched up when I was 12. 652 00:46:17,129 --> 00:46:18,489 You won't find her in there because I've 653 00:46:18,489 --> 00:46:19,529 never told anyone. 654 00:46:22,489 --> 00:46:24,169 It's in prison, it's about what you've 655 00:46:24,169 --> 00:46:26,889 done, not what's been done 656 00:46:26,889 --> 00:46:27,369 to you. 657 00:46:32,009 --> 00:46:33,209 Would you like to tell me about that? 658 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,719 I used to play footy when I was a kid, 659 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,839 and... And 660 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,519 one day I got sent off, and I was alone 661 00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:49,519 in the changing room. 662 00:46:51,489 --> 00:46:53,370 And our manager came in and... 663 00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:58,130 he sat next to me and started talking to 664 00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:59,370 me and... 665 00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,810 touching me and 666 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:08,090 rubbing me, and I came. 667 00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:14,010 Like I was only 12, but I came. 668 00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:18,330 How did you feel about that? 669 00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:22,170 I loved her, didn't I? 670 00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:26,330 A piece of shed, so I loved her. 671 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:03,440 Sorry, Mum. 672 00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:20,490 Love you. 673 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,360 Hannah, please don't say I was here. If 674 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,680 you say I was here, I go back to prison. 675 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,160 Like, please don't do that. I'm sorry. 676 00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:12,250 I'm sorry. I just-- I just really needed 677 00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:14,410 to see it. Sorry. You bastard 678 00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:16,890 I'm sorry. 679 00:49:22,570 --> 00:49:22,970 Fuck you. 680 00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:36,250 We're gonna seal... The lamb. 681 00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:40,010 So a bit of oil in the pan. There you go. 682 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:41,530 Not too much. 683 00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:47,690 Yeah. YeahLike that. 684 00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:52,570 There. And when it's hot enough, 685 00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:55,090 we add the 686 00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:59,410 lamb. All right. 687 00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:02,050 Right now. I'll move it around so it 688 00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:02,730 doesn't stick. 689 00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:08,610 And then turn it over so it all cooks 690 00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:08,810 through. 691 00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:14,850 I saw Joe today. What?I 692 00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:21,050 saw him. Where?At 693 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:24,690 the cemetery. He murdered? 694 00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:28,010 Yeah. He's 695 00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:29,730 excluded. I know. 696 00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:37,930 What did he say?He 697 00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:38,970 said not to tell anyone. 698 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,360 Right, that's it. Mum, you're not 699 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960 cooking it. You're sealing it. 700 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520 You've got to tell him. Right, 701 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,920 now we're going to add the meat 702 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,440 to the veg and mix it 703 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,120 all in. 704 00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:14,010 Nice. I love you've got to tell 705 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:14,210 them. I 706 00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:17,050 know. 707 00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:23,410 You could move in here for a bit. 708 00:51:26,090 --> 00:51:27,850 Might be easier to sell if it's less 709 00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:30,770 cluttered to your place. Could be a bit 710 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:33,610 of a trial. Well, if you didn't 711 00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:35,290 like it and the kids didn't like it and 712 00:51:35,290 --> 00:51:36,850 you've still got your place to go backto. 713 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:44,770 I know about... 714 00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:47,690 Jodie Taylor. 715 00:52:03,091 --> 00:52:03,531 How?My 716 00:52:08,651 --> 00:52:09,531 mum told me. 717 00:52:11,771 --> 00:52:14,331 Your mum new here?Yeah. Oh. 718 00:52:28,171 --> 00:52:31,011 Oh. How long has 719 00:52:31,051 --> 00:52:32,891 she known him?Um.. 720 00:52:35,371 --> 00:52:36,731 since Boxing Day. Oh. 721 00:52:41,291 --> 00:52:43,291 Why... Why didn't you say something? 722 00:52:47,451 --> 00:52:48,731 Look, I was waiting for Mum to say 723 00:52:48,731 --> 00:52:49,211 something. 724 00:52:53,291 --> 00:52:53,611 Oh. 725 00:53:17,151 --> 00:53:18,871 Hi. She knew. 726 00:53:21,911 --> 00:53:22,631 Sheila?Yeah. 727 00:53:28,571 --> 00:53:30,971 I told Joe he broke his mother's heart. 728 00:53:31,971 --> 00:53:33,611 And he did, no doubt about that. 729 00:53:36,091 --> 00:53:37,051 But I did, too. 730 00:54:02,101 --> 00:54:02,821 So you know, then? 731 00:54:08,811 --> 00:54:10,331 The seminary is right in the middle of 732 00:54:10,331 --> 00:54:12,491 your exclusion area. Well, it shouldn't 733 00:54:12,491 --> 00:54:14,051 be like you can't keep me away from your 734 00:54:14,051 --> 00:54:17,011 mother's grave. Why didn't you 735 00:54:17,011 --> 00:54:19,051 say that when we do it up?Because I'm a 736 00:54:19,051 --> 00:54:20,371 piece of shit and I've got no right to 737 00:54:20,371 --> 00:54:21,091 say anything. What 738 00:54:25,291 --> 00:54:27,771 are you going to do?I'm going to have to 739 00:54:27,771 --> 00:54:29,491 recall you back to prison. What else can 740 00:54:29,491 --> 00:54:32,171 I do?See, like... You haven't just bumped 741 00:54:32,171 --> 00:54:34,811 into your sister. You've bumped into the 742 00:54:34,811 --> 00:54:36,971 mother of the victim. Do you realise how 743 00:54:37,051 --> 00:54:39,211 serious that is?It was four o'clock on a 744 00:54:39,211 --> 00:54:41,331 Wednesday afternoon and I never expected 745 00:54:41,331 --> 00:54:43,051 to see anyone, let alone a woman with two 746 00:54:43,051 --> 00:54:44,611 school-aged kids. But she was there! 747 00:54:44,611 --> 00:54:46,011 Well, can I tell you why I went?Yeah. 748 00:54:47,691 --> 00:54:48,651 You tell me why you went. 749 00:54:50,971 --> 00:54:52,891 My mum was the only one in me family who 750 00:54:52,891 --> 00:54:55,211 spoke to me after I was arrested, right? 751 00:54:56,491 --> 00:54:57,851 She was the only one in me family who 752 00:54:57,851 --> 00:54:59,371 visited me when I was put away and I 753 00:54:59,371 --> 00:55:00,491 couldn't go and see her when she was 754 00:55:00,491 --> 00:55:00,971 dying and 755 00:55:03,891 --> 00:55:05,211 I couldn't go to the funeral when she was 756 00:55:05,371 --> 00:55:05,611 dead. 757 00:55:08,491 --> 00:55:10,331 I know you're expecting me to stay away 758 00:55:10,331 --> 00:55:12,891 from my grave. Like, no, like, I won't. 759 00:55:13,491 --> 00:55:15,291 Like, I'm not guilty of breaking any 760 00:55:15,291 --> 00:55:17,011 rules whatsoever. Like, I'm guilty of 761 00:55:17,011 --> 00:55:18,011 loving my mum and that's it. 762 00:55:23,531 --> 00:55:24,851 I'll have to speak to some people. I'll 763 00:55:25,611 --> 00:55:28,371 phone you tomorrow. Please don't send me 764 00:55:28,371 --> 00:55:30,491 back to prison, Jack. Like, I won't go 765 00:55:30,491 --> 00:55:31,931 anymore if that's what you want. I'll 766 00:55:31,931 --> 00:55:33,211 phone you tomorrow. 767 00:55:51,971 --> 00:55:54,371 Did he say what time he'd call?No. 768 00:55:55,931 --> 00:55:58,091 Right. Do you want me to speak to him, 769 00:55:58,091 --> 00:55:59,411 tell him how well you've been doing here? 770 00:55:59,411 --> 00:56:02,171 Would that help?Please. 771 00:56:04,811 --> 00:56:05,291 Hello? 772 00:56:09,131 --> 00:56:09,931 Oh, thanks, Jack. 773 00:56:12,091 --> 00:56:14,331 Thanks, like, I won't do anything stupid 774 00:56:14,331 --> 00:56:16,011 now. Like, he can trust me, honestly. 775 00:56:19,091 --> 00:56:19,211 Yeah, 776 00:56:22,171 --> 00:56:22,571 right. Bye. 777 00:56:29,401 --> 00:56:31,641 Paul passes and crossed the ball and I 778 00:56:31,641 --> 00:56:34,121 caught it sweet on the half volley. 779 00:56:35,481 --> 00:56:37,881 It hit the crossbar so hard that when we 780 00:56:37,881 --> 00:56:40,361 came back a week later, it was still 781 00:56:40,361 --> 00:56:40,921 rattling. 782 00:56:43,481 --> 00:56:46,322 No lie, that son. Promise you. No 783 00:56:46,322 --> 00:56:46,682 lie. 784 00:56:52,732 --> 00:56:54,292 So this therapy today, there'll be a 785 00:56:54,292 --> 00:56:56,052 machine with a light on it going 786 00:56:56,092 --> 00:56:57,412 backwards and forwards. You just need to 787 00:56:57,412 --> 00:56:59,372 follow the light, yeah?Why?Well, 788 00:57:01,532 --> 00:57:02,892 it helps clear the mind. 789 00:57:05,932 --> 00:57:06,212 Right. 790 00:57:09,452 --> 00:57:10,812 Just remember you've always got one foot 791 00:57:10,812 --> 00:57:13,332 in this ring. Everything's fine here. 792 00:57:14,292 --> 00:57:14,452 Right. 793 00:57:17,452 --> 00:57:19,092 Give me a nice memory from when you were 794 00:57:19,092 --> 00:57:21,612 a child. And you felt safe. 795 00:57:25,252 --> 00:57:25,372 Um.. 796 00:57:28,412 --> 00:57:30,612 I was about five, and 797 00:57:31,412 --> 00:57:33,172 we were at Newton Park Lake, and it was 798 00:57:33,172 --> 00:57:35,852 me, Anna, and my mum and dad. 799 00:57:38,492 --> 00:57:40,892 And we decided to go home and start a 800 00:57:41,132 --> 00:57:44,012 walk, and and my dad said, We'll 801 00:57:44,012 --> 00:57:46,052 never get a bus now, it's peak hour. 802 00:57:47,372 --> 00:57:49,412 And I'd never heard of peak hour before, 803 00:57:49,412 --> 00:57:52,212 and it was like a wind. blown on the lake 804 00:57:52,212 --> 00:57:54,092 and it was making all the water peaky. 805 00:57:54,452 --> 00:57:56,972 And I thought like that, that meant peak 806 00:57:56,972 --> 00:57:59,012 hour and that the water always did that 807 00:57:59,132 --> 00:58:00,492 at that time of the day. 808 00:58:02,892 --> 00:58:05,772 Great. This is your 809 00:58:05,772 --> 00:58:07,812 safe place and we can come back here 810 00:58:07,812 --> 00:58:09,852 whenever you need to. Okay?Yeah. 811 00:58:10,772 --> 00:58:11,252 Okay. OkayYeah. 812 00:58:33,292 --> 00:58:35,052 Tell me again what you did to Tom. Is 813 00:58:36,412 --> 00:58:36,812 that okay? 814 00:58:48,672 --> 00:58:50,912 I remember putting me hand on his thigh. 815 00:58:53,792 --> 00:58:55,312 I hear like it because I liked it. But 816 00:59:02,642 --> 00:59:04,202 every time, like, a look on his face, I 817 00:59:04,202 --> 00:59:05,322 always hear his horror. 818 00:59:08,842 --> 00:59:11,162 Like, I moved me hand further up, 819 00:59:13,722 --> 00:59:15,332 pinging that. that the horror will turn 820 00:59:15,332 --> 00:59:17,932 into joy, or it doesn't. 821 00:59:18,412 --> 00:59:18,892 And 822 00:59:28,242 --> 00:59:31,042 he like forces me hand away and starts 823 00:59:31,042 --> 00:59:33,922 shouting, What do you think you're doing? 824 00:59:33,922 --> 00:59:36,282 And then... And then 825 00:59:38,922 --> 00:59:41,642 suddenly his dad's in the room and like 826 00:59:41,722 --> 00:59:44,202 it only takes him like a few seconds to 827 00:59:44,202 --> 00:59:47,042 work out what's going on. And 828 00:59:47,042 --> 00:59:48,602 he just starts like... 829 00:59:51,852 --> 00:59:53,532 Like, punching me. I'm punching me. 830 00:59:57,132 --> 00:59:58,772 He'll like it 'cause I liked it. That's 831 00:59:58,772 --> 01:00:00,692 what you said, yeah?Yeah 832 01:00:04,172 --> 01:00:06,092 Can we go there?Is that okay?Yeah, 833 01:00:08,132 --> 01:00:08,252 um.. 834 01:00:19,072 --> 01:00:21,192 We're in the changing rooms and... 835 01:00:23,272 --> 01:00:24,752 and as much as still going on... 836 01:00:33,852 --> 01:00:35,892 I'm sitting down, just the two of us, and 837 01:00:35,892 --> 01:00:36,652 he's, um.. 838 01:00:49,392 --> 01:00:51,192 Like, he's touching me, so he still likes 839 01:00:51,192 --> 01:00:51,592 me. 840 01:00:56,392 --> 01:00:58,192 Even though I let everyone down, he still 841 01:00:58,192 --> 01:00:58,872 likes me. 842 01:01:03,112 --> 01:01:05,272 Let's go back to the light again. Then 843 01:01:08,392 --> 01:01:09,112 we'll see what happens. 844 01:01:12,412 --> 01:01:14,052 Did you tell your mum about the canter? 845 01:01:26,792 --> 01:01:29,752 That was between us, Jo. It was... Was it 846 01:01:29,752 --> 01:01:30,952 as bad as what you thought it was gonna 847 01:01:30,952 --> 01:01:33,672 be?Like, was, um.. Was 848 01:01:33,672 --> 01:01:35,032 anyone else there when you told her? 849 01:01:40,893 --> 01:01:41,853 Yeah, yeah, I did tell 850 01:01:44,733 --> 01:01:46,373 her. Yeah, it was as bad as I thought it 851 01:01:46,373 --> 01:01:47,973 would be. My sister was there. 852 01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:50,093 She... 853 01:01:55,293 --> 01:01:57,613 Hugged me. And my mum... 854 01:01:59,933 --> 01:02:01,213 just sat there and stared. 855 01:02:04,533 --> 01:02:05,213 That's not good. 856 01:02:18,703 --> 01:02:20,143 No. You told your secret to a piece of 857 01:02:20,143 --> 01:02:21,423 shitWhat did you expect? 858 01:02:25,053 --> 01:02:26,333 But you think you get something back from 859 01:02:26,333 --> 01:02:28,093 God, didn't you?Aye 860 01:02:30,173 --> 01:02:31,693 You gave him a life and what did you get 861 01:02:31,693 --> 01:02:33,933 in return?Breast cancer. God didn't give 862 01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:34,853 me breast cancer, Joe. 863 01:02:36,973 --> 01:02:39,813 God's will is never done. We 864 01:02:39,853 --> 01:02:42,653 pray for it every day. Thy will be done. 865 01:02:45,133 --> 01:02:46,093 But it never is done. 866 01:02:49,453 --> 01:02:51,453 It's man's will that gets done. 867 01:02:53,693 --> 01:02:55,293 Big hairy arse man. 868 01:03:15,373 --> 01:03:15,933 Come in. I'm 869 01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:22,253 I'm so, so sorry. I shouldn't have said 870 01:03:22,293 --> 01:03:24,773 that. Why did you say it? 871 01:03:28,093 --> 01:03:29,533 I didn't want to go there, so... 872 01:03:34,413 --> 01:03:35,533 Shall we go back there tomorrow? 873 01:03:37,453 --> 01:03:39,213 Can't we?Please. 874 01:03:40,733 --> 01:03:40,973 Yeah. 875 01:03:50,803 --> 01:03:51,283 And now?He's 876 01:03:55,683 --> 01:03:56,203 speaking. 877 01:03:58,683 --> 01:04:01,603 Um.. He's 878 01:04:01,603 --> 01:04:02,483 saying I've... 879 01:04:07,613 --> 01:04:09,933 I've let myself down. I've I've let the 880 01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:12,893 team down. I've let 881 01:04:12,893 --> 01:04:15,533 him down. And then he 882 01:04:21,013 --> 01:04:23,053 he puts his hand on on on me thigh. 883 01:04:32,373 --> 01:04:32,973 What do you do? 884 01:04:35,773 --> 01:04:36,573 I freeze. 885 01:04:39,413 --> 01:04:40,013 And then... 886 01:04:44,293 --> 01:04:45,213 he stands. 887 01:04:52,463 --> 01:04:54,103 And then he puts his hands down the front 888 01:04:54,103 --> 01:04:54,983 of my shorts. And, 889 01:04:59,303 --> 01:05:01,783 like, I try and pull him away, but he's, 890 01:05:01,783 --> 01:05:04,263 like, he's too strong for me, and he's 891 01:05:04,263 --> 01:05:04,463 got... 892 01:05:10,733 --> 01:05:12,093 He's got like his other hand on 893 01:05:13,653 --> 01:05:15,373 me shoulder pressing down. 894 01:05:21,893 --> 01:05:22,253 Sorry. 895 01:05:24,893 --> 01:05:26,813 So, like, I can't I can't move off the 896 01:05:26,813 --> 01:05:27,373 bench. 897 01:05:31,213 --> 01:05:33,693 And, like, I think about shouting, but 898 01:05:33,933 --> 01:05:35,293 but I can't because if... 899 01:05:37,373 --> 01:05:39,213 If people come in, like, they'll they'll 900 01:05:39,213 --> 01:05:40,573 think it's going on because they want it 901 01:05:40,573 --> 01:05:41,213 to go on. 902 01:05:44,173 --> 01:05:47,133 And I hear the referee's whistle 903 01:05:47,373 --> 01:05:49,133 and and players' voices. 904 01:05:59,033 --> 01:05:59,873 What can you see? 905 01:06:03,473 --> 01:06:06,073 I'm looking through the window at the top 906 01:06:06,113 --> 01:06:07,953 of the wall and I can see, like, 907 01:06:11,673 --> 01:06:14,113 like twigs and clouds. 908 01:06:17,933 --> 01:06:18,813 Why are you looking there? 909 01:06:26,213 --> 01:06:26,933 Because I don't... 910 01:06:29,853 --> 01:06:31,133 I don't want to see what he's doing 911 01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:32,093 'cause it's horrible. 912 01:06:37,374 --> 01:06:38,654 Well, I don't like it, but like 913 01:06:38,654 --> 01:06:41,614 there's... There's nothing I can 914 01:06:41,614 --> 01:06:43,454 do 'cause he's, he's like, he's too 915 01:06:43,494 --> 01:06:44,254 strong for me. 916 01:07:00,404 --> 01:07:03,364 You assaulted me. You 917 01:07:03,364 --> 01:07:04,844 looked up to him, trusted him. Didn't 918 01:07:05,684 --> 01:07:07,124 want to think he could hurt you, but he 919 01:07:07,124 --> 01:07:10,084 had. Well, why couldn't I see her as that? 920 01:07:11,684 --> 01:07:13,924 Well, sometimes the brain shuts out 921 01:07:13,924 --> 01:07:16,804 things it can't cope with. Some 922 01:07:17,044 --> 01:07:18,204 men who abuse 923 01:07:20,244 --> 01:07:21,764 have themselves been abused. 924 01:07:24,894 --> 01:07:26,414 So all this could go back to that. It's 925 01:07:27,254 --> 01:07:28,174 what he did to me. 926 01:07:29,614 --> 01:07:30,254 Possibly. 927 01:08:44,894 --> 01:08:46,294 Why did he do this to you?Do 928 01:08:48,014 --> 01:08:48,974 you recognize me? 929 01:08:52,174 --> 01:08:54,974 Has?There's a man who 930 01:08:54,974 --> 01:08:57,294 sexually abused his 12-year-old nephew. 931 01:09:00,014 --> 01:09:01,454 Wanted to show me what they thought of 932 01:09:01,454 --> 01:09:03,054 that, and it's not a lot, obviously. 933 01:09:08,254 --> 01:09:09,294 You want to hate me now? 934 01:09:14,974 --> 01:09:15,294 No. Well, 935 01:09:18,414 --> 01:09:19,854 I don't mind, honestly. 936 01:09:31,744 --> 01:09:34,624 Hello?Hi, 937 01:09:34,624 --> 01:09:37,264 it's, um.. It's Joan Mitchell here, 938 01:09:37,264 --> 01:09:37,664 Paul. 939 01:09:42,624 --> 01:09:44,544 I was thinking that we we could, erm, we 940 01:09:44,544 --> 01:09:45,104 could meet up. 941 01:09:48,304 --> 01:09:51,064 Erm... Yeah, 942 01:09:51,424 --> 01:09:54,014 uh.. Well, I can't, I'm 943 01:09:55,014 --> 01:09:56,414 I'm excluded from by ours. 944 01:09:58,014 --> 01:09:58,334 Oh, right. I 945 01:10:02,174 --> 01:10:04,494 was thinking, you know, you know the pub, 946 01:10:04,734 --> 01:10:05,374 the lion?Yeah, 947 01:10:07,934 --> 01:10:08,254 when? 948 01:10:11,374 --> 01:10:13,534 Tonight at six o'clock or something. 949 01:10:16,574 --> 01:10:17,454 Okay, see you then. 950 01:10:19,254 --> 01:10:19,614 Bye. 951 01:10:48,854 --> 01:10:49,494 All right, Joe. 952 01:10:52,374 --> 01:10:52,734 All right. 953 01:10:55,654 --> 01:10:57,174 Jim, do you want a drink? 954 01:10:58,574 --> 01:11:00,854 Yeah, I've got one. I'll have a pint of 955 01:11:00,854 --> 01:11:03,374 bitter. Sorry, mate, can I have 956 01:11:04,014 --> 01:11:06,014 a pint of bitter, please?Right, yeah. 957 01:11:06,894 --> 01:11:09,214 Thanks. What 958 01:11:10,534 --> 01:11:13,454 happened?Nothing. 959 01:11:13,454 --> 01:11:16,014 How are you?I'm fine, yeah. 960 01:11:16,254 --> 01:11:18,174 You?I'm fine. 961 01:11:22,494 --> 01:11:24,654 No, no, I'm not. I'm not fine. I'm... 962 01:11:25,854 --> 01:11:27,014 I'm a bit fucked up to tell you the 963 01:11:27,014 --> 01:11:27,774 truth, Paul. 964 01:11:29,774 --> 01:11:32,254 Yeah?Yeah 965 01:11:40,335 --> 01:11:41,215 Sorry about it, mum. 966 01:11:44,975 --> 01:11:47,935 Did you go to the funeral?Yeah. I 967 01:11:47,935 --> 01:11:48,735 did to Eulasi. 968 01:11:51,695 --> 01:11:52,575 Your dad wasn't upset. 969 01:11:55,975 --> 01:11:56,895 She was a great woman. 970 01:11:59,135 --> 01:11:59,855 Yeah, she was. 971 01:12:02,975 --> 01:12:05,255 You're outside licensed, then?Yeah. 972 01:12:06,175 --> 01:12:08,295 What was it like?It's 280, please, mate. 973 01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:11,135 I'll just keep the change, mate. It's 974 01:12:11,575 --> 01:12:14,335 fine. Thanks. Yeah, we should. Shall 975 01:12:14,335 --> 01:12:16,855 we, um.. shall we take a seat?Yeah. 976 01:12:35,055 --> 01:12:36,335 Paul, I'm thinking about going to the 977 01:12:36,335 --> 01:12:38,095 police and and tell them that you abused 978 01:12:38,095 --> 01:12:39,055 me when I was 12. 979 01:12:42,135 --> 01:12:43,855 I didn't. No, I hate you for 980 01:12:45,855 --> 01:12:48,175 it. I hate you for the abuse. Yeah, but I 981 01:12:48,175 --> 01:12:50,055 hate you even more for what come after. 982 01:12:51,775 --> 01:12:54,095 Why you abuse me, right? 983 01:12:54,815 --> 01:12:56,575 Then I went on to abuse. And because I 984 01:12:56,655 --> 01:12:58,335 abused, I went to prison. And because I 985 01:12:58,335 --> 01:13:00,015 was in prison, I couldn't see me dying 986 01:13:00,015 --> 01:13:02,935 mother. Right. And that's down to 987 01:13:02,935 --> 01:13:03,455 you, mate. 988 01:13:06,415 --> 01:13:07,935 I've no idea what you're talking about, 989 01:13:07,935 --> 01:13:10,655 Joe. No, noYou also abused Sammy McVray, 990 01:13:10,655 --> 01:13:12,895 and I know this because Sammy told me. 991 01:13:14,255 --> 01:13:15,935 And if there was me and Sammy, then there 992 01:13:15,935 --> 01:13:16,735 must have been more. 993 01:13:20,015 --> 01:13:21,375 So that's what all this is about. 994 01:13:22,815 --> 01:13:24,295 You and Sammy trying to get money out of 995 01:13:24,295 --> 01:13:26,975 me. A nice little scam. 996 01:13:28,695 --> 01:13:30,015 And why?Why me, Paul? 997 01:13:32,375 --> 01:13:34,735 Why?What did you say?Hey. 998 01:13:37,615 --> 01:13:39,655 How did you know that I'd say nothing and 999 01:13:39,655 --> 01:13:40,415 do nothing? 1000 01:13:44,015 --> 01:13:44,655 Like I said... 1001 01:13:47,375 --> 01:13:48,895 I have no idea what you're talking about, 1002 01:13:48,895 --> 01:13:51,135 Joe. Oh, you do. You do. 1003 01:14:40,175 --> 01:14:42,255 You all right, it's Hannah, isn't it?What 1004 01:14:42,255 --> 01:14:45,175 do you want?Is Sammy there? 1005 01:14:45,295 --> 01:14:45,695 No. 1006 01:14:48,495 --> 01:14:49,775 Please, it's it's actually really 1007 01:14:49,775 --> 01:14:51,655 important. He's gone for a walk. 1008 01:15:15,295 --> 01:15:17,495 Hello. Hi, it's 1009 01:15:18,495 --> 01:15:21,255 it's Joan Mitchell here, Sammy. What do 1010 01:15:21,255 --> 01:15:24,095 you want?Just to talk. 1011 01:15:24,095 --> 01:15:25,935 I'm I'm actually at your front door now. 1012 01:15:31,375 --> 01:15:31,935 Jesus. 1013 01:15:35,215 --> 01:15:36,895 You out then?Yeah. Do 1014 01:15:39,055 --> 01:15:42,015 you want to talk about?Do you 1015 01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:43,215 remember Paula Patterson? 1016 01:15:45,095 --> 01:15:47,335 Right. What?You're 1017 01:15:47,935 --> 01:15:50,095 talking to that pervert?Yeah. You should 1018 01:15:50,095 --> 01:15:52,095 be ashamed of yourself, you. You piece of 1019 01:15:52,095 --> 01:15:54,895 shitDoing that to a 12-year-old 1020 01:15:54,895 --> 01:15:56,895 boy?You piece of shit 1021 01:15:58,015 --> 01:15:59,415 You filth, you scumbag. 1022 01:16:02,535 --> 01:16:05,415 Where do you want to go?Anywhere, 1023 01:16:05,415 --> 01:16:08,095 mate. I'm going to go to the 1024 01:16:08,095 --> 01:16:11,055 park. Why are you going to 1025 01:16:11,055 --> 01:16:13,615 the police?Because I think he should pay 1026 01:16:13,615 --> 01:16:15,455 for what he did. Why are you telling me? 1027 01:16:15,935 --> 01:16:17,535 Because I want you to come with me. Why? 1028 01:16:18,575 --> 01:16:21,055 Because he abused you as well, mate. Only 1029 01:16:21,055 --> 01:16:23,495 three people know about that. You, me and 1030 01:16:23,495 --> 01:16:24,535 him. And that's the way it's going to 1031 01:16:24,535 --> 01:16:26,095 stay. No way is Hannah found out about 1032 01:16:26,095 --> 01:16:28,175 this, mate. No way. Well, he fucked up 1033 01:16:28,175 --> 01:16:30,016 our lives, Sammy. He didn't fuck up mine. 1034 01:16:30,016 --> 01:16:32,736 Don't want to know why your life's a 1035 01:16:32,736 --> 01:16:35,216 mess?Because of what you did. Not him. He 1036 01:16:35,936 --> 01:16:38,816 wants his 12-year-old nephew. well I I 1037 01:16:38,816 --> 01:16:40,416 did it because Pardisan did it to me. 1038 01:16:40,416 --> 01:16:42,816 Hang on a minute, why didn't I do it?I 1039 01:16:42,816 --> 01:16:43,696 went through what you went through, so 1040 01:16:43,696 --> 01:16:46,336 why did nine months of someone?Honestly, 1041 01:16:46,336 --> 01:16:49,256 I don't know. I know. You're not gonna 1042 01:16:49,256 --> 01:16:51,856 like it, but I know. It's 'cause you're a 1043 01:16:51,856 --> 01:16:52,416 nonce 1044 01:16:56,496 --> 01:16:57,536 So you won't do it for me? 1045 01:16:59,536 --> 01:17:02,176 No. I won't do it for someone else. 1046 01:17:03,136 --> 01:17:04,936 He molested you and he molested me like 1047 01:17:04,936 --> 01:17:06,256 he could be doing it to someone else 1048 01:17:06,256 --> 01:17:06,816 right now. 1049 01:17:09,336 --> 01:17:10,336 Hey, please come with me. 1050 01:17:14,816 --> 01:17:17,296 No. Stay away from me house. 1051 01:17:19,856 --> 01:17:20,856 Right, there could be money, innit? 1052 01:17:24,016 --> 01:17:25,936 How?Criminal injuries. 1053 01:17:26,816 --> 01:17:28,496 It's too late for all that. What's that? 1054 01:17:29,136 --> 01:17:29,536 It's that. 1055 01:17:34,906 --> 01:17:37,546 How much?I don't know, it'll 1056 01:17:37,866 --> 01:17:39,066 be a few grand now. 1057 01:17:53,056 --> 01:17:54,656 Who's your favorite?Mo Salah. No. 1058 01:17:56,896 --> 01:17:59,856 Virgil. No. Ah, okay. Um.. 1059 01:18:02,656 --> 01:18:05,296 Trent, Alexander, Arnold. Yeah. Why 1060 01:18:05,296 --> 01:18:05,656 Trent? 1061 01:18:09,296 --> 01:18:12,216 'Cause he's local. Yeah. It's 1062 01:18:12,216 --> 01:18:13,736 great when a local lad makes it, isn't it? 1063 01:18:18,616 --> 01:18:20,896 Yeah. I did what you were doing. It's 1064 01:18:20,896 --> 01:18:22,936 about your age, too. might have been a 1065 01:18:22,936 --> 01:18:25,736 little bit older. I told my friend a 1066 01:18:25,736 --> 01:18:28,456 secret, and he told someone else and got 1067 01:18:28,456 --> 01:18:30,296 me into trouble. So I thought, 1068 01:18:31,256 --> 01:18:33,456 That's it. No one can be trusted. I'll 1069 01:18:34,256 --> 01:18:36,696 say nothing in future. I kept it up for a 1070 01:18:36,696 --> 01:18:39,056 while, and they took me to a 1071 01:18:39,056 --> 01:18:41,896 psychologist, and he got me 1072 01:18:41,896 --> 01:18:44,696 talking again. He fascinated 1073 01:18:44,696 --> 01:18:47,456 me, and I thought, I want to do what that 1074 01:18:47,456 --> 01:18:49,456 man does, and now I do, 1075 01:18:50,416 --> 01:18:51,416 and I love it. 1076 01:18:54,016 --> 01:18:55,416 Not talking was the best thing I ever 1077 01:18:55,416 --> 01:18:57,896 did. Or didn't. 1078 01:19:13,486 --> 01:19:14,166 What is it, Tom? 1079 01:19:22,756 --> 01:19:25,236 You won't tell me, Mum?Will I need to 1080 01:19:25,236 --> 01:19:25,636 tell her?No. 1081 01:19:30,836 --> 01:19:31,556 Then I won't tell her? 1082 01:19:41,136 --> 01:19:42,816 You think that's what you mean like... 1083 01:19:45,536 --> 01:19:46,016 your uncle. You're 1084 01:19:52,096 --> 01:19:54,496 going to... hide each time. 1085 01:19:55,696 --> 01:19:58,656 You seem normal. You didn't 1086 01:19:58,656 --> 01:20:01,536 look like it, babe. Didn't sure 1087 01:20:01,536 --> 01:20:02,976 like him, did not like him, so... 1088 01:20:05,616 --> 01:20:06,216 Said nothing. And 1089 01:20:14,536 --> 01:20:15,496 then he went for this, and... 1090 01:20:18,096 --> 01:20:19,976 Now, my mum doesn't see him, and she used 1091 01:20:19,976 --> 01:20:22,856 to see him all the time. He'd 1092 01:20:22,856 --> 01:20:24,576 tell my brother, he doesn't see him, and 1093 01:20:24,576 --> 01:20:27,216 he loved him. And I don't see him-- I 1094 01:20:27,256 --> 01:20:28,656 don't want to see him, but I miss him. 1095 01:20:29,096 --> 01:20:31,376 And now Dad's gone, and so because I 1096 01:20:31,376 --> 01:20:32,816 didn't say something and I should've said 1097 01:20:32,816 --> 01:20:35,736 something. And if I didn't say it, then 1098 01:20:35,776 --> 01:20:36,456 why shouldn't I 1099 01:20:48,066 --> 01:20:49,186 know?You've done really well today. 1100 01:20:51,586 --> 01:20:52,826 Is there anything else on your mind? 1101 01:20:52,826 --> 01:20:53,826 Anything you want to talk about?No. 1102 01:20:58,506 --> 01:20:58,866 Okay. 1103 01:21:13,936 --> 01:21:16,256 stay to you. I'm getting a shower now. 1104 01:21:16,296 --> 01:21:18,416 I've just done those stairs. Sorry. 1105 01:21:19,336 --> 01:21:20,416 What, you couldn't have a shower there? 1106 01:21:20,576 --> 01:21:22,336 They were cold. What, they're cold and 1107 01:21:22,336 --> 01:21:24,336 kill you?We won, by the way. 1108 01:21:34,977 --> 01:21:37,217 So why didn't Sammy do it to anyone? 1109 01:21:39,297 --> 01:21:41,377 You say I abused because I've been 1110 01:21:41,377 --> 01:21:43,897 abused, but so would Sammy. Not 1111 01:21:44,097 --> 01:21:45,857 everybody who's been abused goes on to 1112 01:21:45,857 --> 01:21:48,777 abuse, just some do. So I might have done 1113 01:21:48,777 --> 01:21:50,937 it anyway, even if I hadn't been abused, 1114 01:21:50,937 --> 01:21:51,977 I still might have done it. And 1115 01:21:53,857 --> 01:21:55,497 I think that's why he did it to me, 1116 01:21:55,497 --> 01:21:57,057 because he he saw it in me. 1117 01:21:58,657 --> 01:22:01,217 Bare of hair, so, but we did it. 1118 01:22:04,737 --> 01:22:05,897 You're a child, too. I've 1119 01:22:13,027 --> 01:22:15,187 cope with a lie. I've I've cope with it 1120 01:22:15,187 --> 01:22:18,107 for years, but... all is 1121 01:22:18,107 --> 01:22:19,067 truth, and it's like... 1122 01:22:20,947 --> 01:22:22,147 this is too much for me. 1123 01:22:33,587 --> 01:22:36,417 Hello?Yes, please. 1124 01:22:38,017 --> 01:22:38,297 Here here 1125 01:22:45,257 --> 01:22:47,817 Hello?Hi. Hiya. I'm Jack Hargreaves. I'm 1126 01:22:48,017 --> 01:22:48,817 Brian Mitchell. 1127 01:22:54,097 --> 01:22:55,257 Brian. Thanks for coming. Would you like 1128 01:22:55,257 --> 01:22:55,937 to take a seat? 1129 01:23:00,497 --> 01:23:02,857 You're this probation officer?Yeah. 1130 01:23:04,817 --> 01:23:06,657 The man who didn't recall him to prison, 1131 01:23:06,657 --> 01:23:08,217 even though he bumped into his sister. 1132 01:23:09,697 --> 01:23:12,657 Yeah. Why?And 1133 01:23:12,657 --> 01:23:15,137 that cemetery's in the exclusion zone, so 1134 01:23:15,617 --> 01:23:18,257 why?Didn't the liaison officer explain? 1135 01:23:18,417 --> 01:23:18,777 No. 1136 01:23:21,777 --> 01:23:23,297 Well, we thought it was too severe to 1137 01:23:23,377 --> 01:23:26,257 exclude the cemetery. So Joe can go, 1138 01:23:27,297 --> 01:23:30,177 but it's one day, well, an afternoon, a 1139 01:23:30,257 --> 01:23:32,897 week. But on that afternoon, I can't go. 1140 01:23:33,537 --> 01:23:35,137 I won't be going anyway. My wife's in 1141 01:23:35,137 --> 01:23:37,017 there, and you're telling me when I can 1142 01:23:37,017 --> 01:23:39,057 and cannot go. I won't be going anyway, 1143 01:23:39,217 --> 01:23:40,897 Dad. Sorry. Look, 1144 01:23:50,657 --> 01:23:52,417 I'm here for me. Dad, I'm here, 'cause he 1145 01:23:52,417 --> 01:23:54,417 asked me to be here, and I've got no 1146 01:23:55,297 --> 01:23:58,097 interest in anything he's got to say to 1147 01:23:58,097 --> 01:24:00,817 me, but, um, I've got something to say to 1148 01:24:00,817 --> 01:24:01,057 him. 1149 01:24:06,417 --> 01:24:07,937 Did you know that my son tried to kill 1150 01:24:07,937 --> 01:24:08,417 himself? 1151 01:24:13,057 --> 01:24:15,697 No. Yeah, he tried to kill himself 1152 01:24:15,697 --> 01:24:16,457 because of what you did to 1153 01:24:20,057 --> 01:24:20,897 him. Oh, I'm sorry. 1154 01:24:23,177 --> 01:24:24,657 He needed help, but I couldn't get him 1155 01:24:24,657 --> 01:24:26,017 any because he was just the victim, you 1156 01:24:26,017 --> 01:24:27,697 see. But you were getting help, weren't 1157 01:24:27,697 --> 01:24:29,657 you?You were getting plenty of help, like 1158 01:24:29,937 --> 01:24:31,457 therapies galore. But my son, 1159 01:24:33,057 --> 01:24:34,337 my son, the bloody victim, he couldn't 1160 01:24:34,337 --> 01:24:37,257 get any. I'm 1161 01:24:37,257 --> 01:24:38,617 really, really sorry, Honor. 1162 01:24:41,377 --> 01:24:42,777 You were touching him for weeks, weren't 1163 01:24:42,777 --> 01:24:42,977 you?Like, 1164 01:24:46,537 --> 01:24:48,177 for weeks before you did that, you... 1165 01:24:50,577 --> 01:24:52,177 You were touching him on the leg, right? 1166 01:24:57,137 --> 01:24:57,617 Right 1167 01:25:02,617 --> 01:25:03,777 And you know how you got away with her? 1168 01:25:09,497 --> 01:25:11,857 Because you're my brother, and you're his 1169 01:25:11,857 --> 01:25:14,737 uncle, and we loved you. You bastard 1170 01:25:16,577 --> 01:25:18,737 You know, can someone you love be capable 1171 01:25:18,737 --> 01:25:19,617 of something like that? 1172 01:25:23,297 --> 01:25:24,577 That's how you got away with it. 1173 01:25:27,057 --> 01:25:28,897 No one hates me more than I hate myself, 1174 01:25:28,897 --> 01:25:30,617 Anna. No, I hate you. 1175 01:25:31,937 --> 01:25:33,337 I can promise you that I hate you. 1176 01:25:38,137 --> 01:25:38,737 And who else?My 1177 01:25:41,697 --> 01:25:44,537 what?Who else did you 1178 01:25:44,537 --> 01:25:47,457 abuse?No 1179 01:25:47,457 --> 01:25:48,977 one. No one, I swear. He's... 1180 01:25:51,137 --> 01:25:51,777 He's just Tom. 1181 01:26:00,637 --> 01:26:03,357 So, why are we 1182 01:26:03,357 --> 01:26:03,837 here? 1183 01:26:06,397 --> 01:26:07,677 There's something Joe would like to say. 1184 01:26:12,977 --> 01:26:14,817 I was sexually abused when I was 12. 1185 01:26:18,017 --> 01:26:19,537 You weren't. I was. 1186 01:26:23,618 --> 01:26:26,578 We'd have known. But I 1187 01:26:26,578 --> 01:26:28,058 might not have known, but your mother 1188 01:26:28,058 --> 01:26:30,818 would. She didn't know 1189 01:26:30,818 --> 01:26:31,138 that. 1190 01:26:34,898 --> 01:26:35,538 Who by? 1191 01:26:39,138 --> 01:26:40,098 Poor Patterson. 1192 01:26:42,338 --> 01:26:44,178 Paul Patterson's got two kids and three 1193 01:26:44,178 --> 01:26:46,098 grandkids. There's more chance of Mother 1194 01:26:46,098 --> 01:26:48,058 Teresa abusing him than Paul Patterson. 1195 01:26:48,058 --> 01:26:48,978 He abused me, Dad. 1196 01:26:54,178 --> 01:26:56,978 When?When I got sent off in the 1197 01:26:56,978 --> 01:26:59,378 Moorgrove game. He got the fella to open 1198 01:26:59,378 --> 01:27:00,738 the changing rooms and he did it in 1199 01:27:00,738 --> 01:27:01,698 there, honestly. 1200 01:27:04,618 --> 01:27:05,978 What are you going to do about it?Go 1201 01:27:09,618 --> 01:27:12,098 to the police. Oh, for God's 1202 01:27:12,098 --> 01:27:14,978 sake. You also abused Sammy McVeigh? 1203 01:27:15,058 --> 01:27:16,098 Do you remember Sammy's dad? 1204 01:27:17,858 --> 01:27:19,698 Sammy with a sweet left foot?Right. Is 1205 01:27:21,778 --> 01:27:22,898 he going to the police? 1206 01:27:24,658 --> 01:27:27,538 Yeah. Don't believe it. 1207 01:27:28,578 --> 01:27:30,018 Sorry, I can't believe a word of this. 1208 01:27:30,018 --> 01:27:30,738 And why now? 1209 01:27:34,018 --> 01:27:35,458 Why would you tell us that now? 1210 01:27:39,378 --> 01:27:41,538 'Cause men who are abused go on to abuse. 1211 01:27:44,338 --> 01:27:47,298 He made me what I am, and I hate him 1212 01:27:47,298 --> 01:27:49,898 for it. Men who are abused go on to 1213 01:27:49,898 --> 01:27:50,578 abuse?Son. 1214 01:27:52,658 --> 01:27:55,298 So my son, then?No. No, 1215 01:27:55,378 --> 01:27:58,298 because he's decent. Right, he's decent. 1216 01:27:58,338 --> 01:27:59,698 Like, you know what this is?This is you 1217 01:27:59,698 --> 01:28:01,058 just trying to throw even more shitThat's 1218 01:28:01,058 --> 01:28:02,658 what I say, even more, Phil. No, no 1219 01:28:02,898 --> 01:28:04,578 Someone did it to you, so that means you 1220 01:28:04,578 --> 01:28:06,178 can just do it to someone else, or no. 1221 01:28:07,138 --> 01:28:09,658 No, Jo. You did it because you're 1222 01:28:09,658 --> 01:28:10,138 filth. 1223 01:28:31,698 --> 01:28:34,658 You all right, Bri?Sammy 1224 01:28:34,658 --> 01:28:37,138 and Han. Why? 1225 01:28:38,978 --> 01:28:41,618 Need to see him. About Paul 1226 01:28:41,618 --> 01:28:42,178 Patterson? 1227 01:28:44,658 --> 01:28:47,578 Yeah. I knew this would 1228 01:28:47,578 --> 01:28:50,338 happen. I told you this would 1229 01:28:50,338 --> 01:28:51,778 happen! Go in. I told you you wouldn't 1230 01:28:51,778 --> 01:28:53,658 get a minute's piece, you soft bastard Go 1231 01:28:53,658 --> 01:28:55,858 in. I told you this would happen! Go in. 1232 01:29:01,618 --> 01:29:04,338 What is it?Did Paul 1233 01:29:04,338 --> 01:29:06,018 Patterson sexually abuse you? 1234 01:29:08,418 --> 01:29:11,378 Yeah. And 1235 01:29:11,378 --> 01:29:13,058 did he sexually abuse our Joe? 1236 01:29:14,818 --> 01:29:17,738 Yeah. I didn't 1237 01:29:17,738 --> 01:29:19,018 see it, but I saw them walking off the 1238 01:29:19,018 --> 01:29:20,418 pitch together and I thought he was bound 1239 01:29:20,418 --> 01:29:20,818 to have a go. 1240 01:29:44,018 --> 01:29:46,258 Did you sexually abuse my son? 1241 01:29:51,058 --> 01:29:52,338 No, I didn't. 1242 01:29:54,818 --> 01:29:56,338 But you're here, so you think I might 1243 01:29:56,338 --> 01:29:56,578 have done. 1244 01:29:59,258 --> 01:30:00,258 And that's enough for me. 1245 01:30:02,418 --> 01:30:03,778 That's enough for me, Brian, so why don't 1246 01:30:03,778 --> 01:30:05,218 you just go, please? 1247 01:30:07,058 --> 01:30:07,618 Just go. 1248 01:30:28,518 --> 01:30:30,358 We've got your son down at the police 1249 01:30:30,358 --> 01:30:30,798 station. 1250 01:30:33,358 --> 01:30:35,918 Can I go?Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah, she's 1251 01:30:35,918 --> 01:30:36,838 just going to take over. 1252 01:30:52,738 --> 01:30:54,178 I was expecting Tom. Of 1253 01:30:56,018 --> 01:30:58,098 course you were. It's always Tom. 1254 01:30:58,978 --> 01:31:00,338 No one else exists for you apart from 1255 01:31:00,338 --> 01:31:01,298 fucking Tom. 1256 01:31:12,098 --> 01:31:13,138 I want to go and live with my dad. 1257 01:31:28,179 --> 01:31:29,219 You want to live with your dad?Well, 1258 01:31:30,299 --> 01:31:31,339 there's no chance of that because he 1259 01:31:31,339 --> 01:31:34,179 doesn't want you. And he 1260 01:31:34,179 --> 01:31:35,579 doesn't want you because you're costing 1261 01:31:35,579 --> 01:31:35,939 money. 1262 01:31:40,179 --> 01:31:41,699 Do you know that he's not giving me one 1263 01:31:41,699 --> 01:31:43,019 single penny to keep you to? 1264 01:31:45,539 --> 01:31:48,459 Not one single penny. That meal 1265 01:31:48,459 --> 01:31:50,739 that you just, you just eaten that was 1266 01:31:51,939 --> 01:31:54,459 paid for by me. Doing a 1267 01:31:54,459 --> 01:31:56,579 shitty job in a shitty 1268 01:31:56,579 --> 01:31:59,459 supermarket, and there's no thanks for 1269 01:31:59,459 --> 01:32:00,259 so fucking ever. 1270 01:32:04,339 --> 01:32:06,819 Yeah, it's about him all the time, but 1271 01:32:06,819 --> 01:32:08,419 that's because he's ill, and that's 1272 01:32:08,419 --> 01:32:09,819 because he's been through what he's been 1273 01:32:09,819 --> 01:32:11,499 through, and I don't like it any more 1274 01:32:11,499 --> 01:32:13,459 than you do. But tough, that's the way it 1275 01:32:13,459 --> 01:32:16,219 is. And yeah, I'm a 1276 01:32:16,219 --> 01:32:18,339 lousy mother. And you don't have to 1277 01:32:18,339 --> 01:32:20,059 remind me of that, because I confront it 1278 01:32:20,059 --> 01:32:22,179 every day. I know I am one big, lousy 1279 01:32:22,179 --> 01:32:24,099 mother, but you know what?I'm one big, 1280 01:32:24,099 --> 01:32:26,259 lousy mother who is doing the best she 1281 01:32:26,259 --> 01:32:28,819 can. And I'm sorry if it's not 1282 01:32:30,259 --> 01:32:33,219 good enough for you, but that's how it 1283 01:32:33,219 --> 01:32:33,459 is. 1284 01:32:36,499 --> 01:32:37,619 I'm doing the best I can. 1285 01:32:53,939 --> 01:32:54,819 Do you want a cup of tea? 1286 01:32:56,979 --> 01:32:57,219 What? 1287 01:33:00,099 --> 01:33:02,019 I said... I said, Do you want a cup oftea? 1288 01:33:06,099 --> 01:33:06,259 Yeah. 1289 01:33:10,019 --> 01:33:10,619 Oh, yeah. 1290 01:33:27,939 --> 01:33:29,539 Paul Patterson, please stand. 1291 01:33:31,699 --> 01:33:33,459 Count one you are charged with sexual 1292 01:33:33,459 --> 01:33:36,339 assault for a child under 13. Contrary 1293 01:33:36,339 --> 01:33:39,059 to Section 7 of the Sexual Offences Act 1294 01:33:39,059 --> 01:33:41,539 2003, the particulars are 1295 01:33:41,859 --> 01:33:44,739 between the 4th of May 2006 and the 17th 1296 01:33:44,739 --> 01:33:47,699 of June 2006, intentionally 1297 01:33:47,699 --> 01:33:50,499 touched Samuel McVeigh. The touching 1298 01:33:50,499 --> 01:33:53,219 was sexual and Samuel McVeigh was aged 1299 01:33:53,219 --> 01:33:56,019 under 13 years old. To that charge, how 1300 01:33:56,019 --> 01:33:58,059 do you plead?Not guilty. 1301 01:33:59,299 --> 01:34:01,379 Count two under the same act on the 14th 1302 01:34:01,379 --> 01:34:04,179 of September 2006. You intentionally 1303 01:34:04,179 --> 01:34:06,659 touched Joe Mitchell. The touching was 1304 01:34:06,659 --> 01:34:08,899 sexual, and Joe Mitchell was aged under 1305 01:34:08,899 --> 01:34:11,779 13 years old. To that charge, how do you 1306 01:34:11,779 --> 01:34:13,099 plead?Not 1307 01:34:17,139 --> 01:34:19,299 guilty. The alleged abuse happened when 1308 01:34:19,299 --> 01:34:22,179 you were 12 years old. Yes. And 1309 01:34:22,179 --> 01:34:24,179 you are now 31 years old, is that right? 1310 01:34:25,019 --> 01:34:27,939 Yes. So you'd agree that this was over 19 1311 01:34:27,939 --> 01:34:30,819 years ago?Yes. 1312 01:34:30,979 --> 01:34:33,739 Yet you've only recently disclosed it. 1313 01:34:34,499 --> 01:34:36,739 Yes, I I wanted to forget about it, but 1314 01:34:38,819 --> 01:34:41,219 I've realized I can't. Did you realize 1315 01:34:41,219 --> 01:34:43,219 you can't forget about it after a recent 1316 01:34:43,219 --> 01:34:44,419 visit from Joe Mitchell? 1317 01:34:46,459 --> 01:34:49,219 Yes. Prior to this visit, you'd been 1318 01:34:49,219 --> 01:34:50,579 happily going about your life, hadn't you? 1319 01:34:51,859 --> 01:34:54,299 Well-- Joe put this idea in your head, 1320 01:34:54,299 --> 01:34:54,739 didn't he? 1321 01:34:57,139 --> 01:34:58,459 Well, he says he shouldn't get away with 1322 01:34:58,459 --> 01:35:00,899 it for any longer. And what was the first 1323 01:35:00,899 --> 01:35:02,419 thing you did after Joe Mitchell's visit? 1324 01:35:03,339 --> 01:35:05,059 I went to the police. You didn't, though, 1325 01:35:05,219 --> 01:35:07,219 did you?What you actually did was try to 1326 01:35:07,219 --> 01:35:08,419 get your hands on some money from the 1327 01:35:08,419 --> 01:35:10,499 Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority. 1328 01:35:11,219 --> 01:35:13,979 This case isn't about truth or 1329 01:35:13,979 --> 01:35:16,659 justice. It's all about money. Your 1330 01:35:16,659 --> 01:35:18,259 Honor, this line of questioning is highly 1331 01:35:18,259 --> 01:35:19,059 inappropriate. 1332 01:35:23,379 --> 01:35:25,019 I don't know how following a light makes 1333 01:35:25,019 --> 01:35:26,899 sure I remember things better, but... But 1334 01:35:28,819 --> 01:35:29,459 I did. 1335 01:35:32,859 --> 01:35:35,059 Like I remember he used force and his 1336 01:35:35,059 --> 01:35:37,779 fingernails bit into my skin, and it 1337 01:35:37,779 --> 01:35:38,579 wasn't nice. It 1338 01:35:46,499 --> 01:35:47,859 wasn't nice at all, but then, you know, 1339 01:35:47,859 --> 01:35:49,539 I'd done that to Tom, hadn't I? 1340 01:35:52,739 --> 01:35:54,899 You know, I'd done something like that to 1341 01:35:54,899 --> 01:35:55,979 my own nephew and 1342 01:35:58,259 --> 01:36:00,219 that that made me feel even worse and 1343 01:36:00,339 --> 01:36:01,939 made me hate myself even more. 1344 01:36:06,939 --> 01:36:09,859 He He went back outside and I just sat 1345 01:36:09,859 --> 01:36:12,579 there for a bit. And like I'd 1346 01:36:12,820 --> 01:36:15,620 never, I had ejaculated before, so I 1347 01:36:15,620 --> 01:36:16,740 didn't know what it was. 1348 01:36:18,580 --> 01:36:21,500 So I went into the showers. Well, 1349 01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:23,460 like I felt, I felt too vulnerable to 1350 01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:24,340 shower on my own. 1351 01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:28,420 So I cleaned myself up at the sink and 1352 01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:30,500 then, and 1353 01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:34,060 then I went, I went back into the 1354 01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:36,060 changing room and I heard like 1355 01:36:37,460 --> 01:36:39,980 the referees blown for full time and and 1356 01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:41,540 people coming into the building. And 1357 01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:46,740 then. And then 1358 01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:49,500 like the team I played for came in and 1359 01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:51,460 none of them said nothing to me because 1360 01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:55,900 I'd been sent off and I had a bollocking 1361 01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:56,660 from Paul 1362 01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:00,580 and and that was the reason why I was I 1363 01:37:00,580 --> 01:37:01,940 was sat there saying nothing. And 1364 01:37:04,980 --> 01:37:05,140 then 1365 01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:10,420 and then I went on with the lads that I 1366 01:37:10,420 --> 01:37:12,540 usually go on with and and that was that. 1367 01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:17,940 Did Sammy McVeigh say anything?Yeah, 1368 01:37:18,260 --> 01:37:20,140 yeah, on the bus, yeah, he said, Are you 1369 01:37:20,180 --> 01:37:22,500 all right?But, like, with a question 1370 01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:23,420 mark, Are you all right? 1371 01:37:25,300 --> 01:37:28,100 Thank you. No further questions. 1372 01:37:29,940 --> 01:37:31,820 You continued to play for the team after 1373 01:37:31,820 --> 01:37:34,340 that day. Yeah. And Paul 1374 01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:36,340 Patterson continued as manager. 1375 01:37:38,660 --> 01:37:41,260 Yeah. You continued to play for a 1376 01:37:41,260 --> 01:37:43,860 team... Managed by a man who you 1377 01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:46,340 say sexually abused you. Yeah. 1378 01:37:47,060 --> 01:37:48,340 And so did Sammy McVeigh. 1379 01:37:52,180 --> 01:37:55,060 And that was because this abuse never 1380 01:37:55,060 --> 01:37:56,260 happened. No, I did. 1381 01:37:58,980 --> 01:38:01,340 I carried on playing for the team because 1382 01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:01,940 they were good. But 1383 01:38:06,820 --> 01:38:09,060 I know that that you'll soon be hearing 1384 01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:11,540 from somebody. boys that I've coached 1385 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:14,900 over the past 30 years or so. But 1386 01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:16,260 can I say this right now? 1387 01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:21,940 There could have been hundreds of them 1388 01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:22,580 here today. I mean, 1389 01:38:26,540 --> 01:38:29,380 I've coached hundreds of 1390 01:38:29,380 --> 01:38:32,020 boys over the last 30 years and not one 1391 01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:34,980 of them has a 1392 01:38:34,980 --> 01:38:36,940 bad word to say about me, apart from 1393 01:38:36,940 --> 01:38:37,460 these two. 1394 01:38:40,780 --> 01:38:43,140 And of these two, I I believe Joe 1395 01:38:43,140 --> 01:38:45,660 Mitchell is a stronger 1396 01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:46,500 personality. I 1397 01:38:50,980 --> 01:38:52,580 think Sammy's only here because 1398 01:38:54,340 --> 01:38:55,940 Joe Mitchell asked him to be here. 1399 01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:03,300 Think about it. This is between me and 1400 01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:03,980 Joe Mitchell. 1401 01:39:08,060 --> 01:39:08,820 So I ask you. 1402 01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:12,340 Who do you believe? 1403 01:39:15,140 --> 01:39:17,660 Me, a father and a grandfather? 1404 01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:23,180 Or him, a 1405 01:39:23,180 --> 01:39:24,020 child abuser? 1406 01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:49,300 The jury's coming back. 1407 01:40:18,740 --> 01:40:21,060 Will the formal of the jury please stand? 1408 01:40:25,300 --> 01:40:26,900 Have you reached a verdict on which you 1409 01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:29,140 are all agreed?We have. 1410 01:40:32,660 --> 01:40:35,620 On count one, sexual assault of Sally 1411 01:40:35,620 --> 01:40:37,540 McVey between the 4th of May 1412 01:40:37,540 --> 01:40:40,340 2006 and the 16th of June 1413 01:40:40,340 --> 01:40:43,220 2006, do you find the defendant guilty 1414 01:40:43,220 --> 01:40:44,180 or not guilty? 1415 01:40:46,020 --> 01:40:46,740 Not guilty. 1416 01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,340 On count 2, sexual assault of Joe 1417 01:40:54,340 --> 01:40:56,340 Mitchell on the 14th of September 1418 01:40:56,340 --> 01:40:59,300 2006, do you find the defendant 1419 01:40:59,300 --> 01:41:00,980 guilty or not guilty? 1420 01:41:04,020 --> 01:41:04,820 Not guilty. 1421 01:41:08,260 --> 01:41:10,501 Mr. Patterson, you have been found not 1422 01:41:10,501 --> 01:41:13,221 guilty. The case against you is now 1423 01:41:13,221 --> 01:41:14,901 finished. You may now leave the doctrine. 1424 01:41:22,301 --> 01:41:23,461 You got your phone?Yeah, yeah 1425 01:41:33,221 --> 01:41:34,501 Ready?Yeah. Wait, wait 1426 01:41:43,461 --> 01:41:44,461 There's nothing under. 1427 01:41:55,061 --> 01:41:56,301 I'm going over to it. 1428 01:42:04,741 --> 01:42:05,061 Come 1429 01:42:07,621 --> 01:42:09,061 on, boys. 1430 01:42:30,821 --> 01:42:31,581 So sorry, Dad. 1431 01:42:49,781 --> 01:42:50,741 Fancy a pint. 92945

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