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Dispatch,
8-12 at pool hall.
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Signs of forced
entry. I'm going in.
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Police! Anyone in here?
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Dispatch, 8-12. Pool
hall clear. Coming out.
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Oh!
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I heard the sirens, saw
the lights and the doors.
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Is everything okay?
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At 5:30 in the morning?
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What can I say,
I'm an early riser.
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Looks like someone broke
in and tripped the alarm.
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You see anything?
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I did see a guy walking away
down the alley a minute ago
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with a big coat on.
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What kind of coat?
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You know, like a
big trench coat.
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Looked like he was carrying
half the bar in it.
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Have you ever seen him before?
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Sure have. He's a
regular, like me.
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His name's Clarence Gideon.
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I'm Judy Sheindlin. Before
I was a judge on TV,
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I was a judge in New
York City for 15 years
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and a lawyer for 17
years before that.
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While serving on both
sides of the bench,
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I learned that justice doesn't
always end up feeling...
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just.
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Sometimes, the impact of one
decision by a police officer,
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a lawyer, or even a judge, can
change the way justice is delivered.
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We're going to demonstrate
this by taking landmark cases
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from actual crimes
committed by real people.
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And we'll recreate them
with our trial lawyers,
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and yours truly as
the trial judge.
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While we're not going to
recreate the trials verbatim,
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all the court's ultimate
decisions are accurate.
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It will be up to you to decide
whether the case was fair
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and the outcome just.
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Real
cases, actual lawyers,
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surprising verdicts.
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Justice on Trial.
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This episode of Justice on Trial
focuses on the due process clause
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of the 14th Amendment
to the Constitution.
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And a small crime which would forever
changed the legal system in America.
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Is it fair for a poor person with no
legal training or formal education
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be required to defend themselves
against criminal charges?
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Until 1963, that was
the law in this country.
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If you were accused of a state crime
and couldn't afford an attorney,
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you were out of luck.
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If you lost, you might
be going to jail.
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Let's see how defending
himself worked out for the man
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who was arrested and accused of
burglarizing the Florida pool hall,
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Clarence Gideon.
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Your Honor, I have a question.
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Mr. Gideon, you can't just blurt out
questions in the middle of court.
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We have procedures here.
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I'm sorry, Your Honor.
That's kind of my point.
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I have no idea what
I'm doing here.
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Can't I get a lawyer
to represent me?
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Of course you can. We have a
list of them, if you'd like.
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Well, I can't afford a lawyer.
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I thought you could give me one.
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Your Honor, Betts v.
Brady clearly states...
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I am keenly aware of what Betts
v. Brady states, counselor.
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Mr. Gideon, I'm sorry,
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but I cannot appoint counsel
to represent you in this case.
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Under the laws of
the state of Florida,
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the only time a court can appoint
counsel to represent a defendant
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is if that person has been
charged with a capital offense.
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Like murder, for instance.
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Well, that don't seem fair.
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I thought the
Supreme Court said...
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No, Mr. Gideon, the
Supreme Court says
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in the aforementioned
Betts v. Brady case,
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that the appointment of counsel
is not a fundamental right
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of the defendant in a state case
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unless the accused is mentally
or intellectually incompetent.
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Are you mentally or intellectually
incompetent, Mr. Gideon?
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No, of course not.
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Excellent. Let's
proceed then, shall we?
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Please, state your name.
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Henry Cook.
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Let me direct your attention
to the night of June third,
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at approximately 5:30
A.M. Where were you?
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I was in the alley next to
the Bay Harbor Pool Hall.
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Did you notice anything
unusual at that time?
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Yeah. I, uh, noticed a guy
walking down the alley,
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kinda quick, with a big overcoat on and
a bunch of bottles sticking out of it.
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Can you identify the person
you saw here in this courtroom?
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Yeah. That guy over there.
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Clarence Gideon.
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Objection.
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On what grounds?
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I didn't do it. He's lying.
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Mr. Gideon, that is not
the basis for an objection.
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If you continue these outbursts, I
will find you in contempt of court.
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Strike that from the record.
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Let's proceed.
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Thank you, Your Honor. What
happened next, Mr. Cook?
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I saw Gideon get into
a cab driven by Preston Bray.
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It was then that I noticed
an alarm bell was ringing.
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I followed the sound to
the front of the pool hall,
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and I saw the door
was all busted up.
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I was about to go into the
bar to have a look-see,
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when the cop came out.
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This was Officer Duell Pitts?
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Yes, that's right. I told
him everything I saw.
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No further questions,
Your Honor.
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Do you wish to cross-examine
the witness, Mr. Gideon?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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So, 5:30 in the morning
it was pretty dark, right?
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Objection. Leading the witness.
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Sustained.
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Mr. Gideon, you can't have the
answers you want in your questions.
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Okay. Uh...
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How dark was it?
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It was light enough to see you.
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How do you know it was me?
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I've spent enough time around you in
the pool hall, I know how you walk.
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And the hair color matches too.
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Well, a lot of people
have brown hair.
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Objection. Not a question.
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Sustained. You can't make
statements, Mr. Gideon.
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You have to interview the
witness with questions.
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Are you positive you saw
me and not someone else?
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Positive.
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Do you have any further
questions, Mr. Gideon?
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Any questions I ask him, he's
just gonna say it was me.
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Objection.
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Forget it. No further questions.
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How's it going, Pres?
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Good, man.
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Good. You work as a
cab driver, right?
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Yep, that's right.
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And I ride in your
cab a lot, right?
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Objection. Leading the witness.
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Sustained. Mr. Gideon...
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Got it, got it, Judge.
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How often do I ride in your cab?
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I'd say at least four
to five times a week.
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And that doesn't count the
times we end up back at my place
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having coffee after work, so.
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So, you would know if there was anything
out of the ordinary with me, right?
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Yes, definitely.
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And was there anything out of the ordinary
on the early morning of June third?
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Nope. I didn't see anything
out of the ordinary.
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And did you see wine bottles
sticking out of my jacket?
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No.
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No, I definitely didn't
see anything like that.
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No further questions.
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Mr. Bray, is it fair to say
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that you and Clarence
Gideon are friends?
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Yes,
that's fair to say.
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Were you aware that your
friend was arrested and charged
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with a very serious felony of
burglary of the Bay Harbor Pool Hall?
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Uh-huh, yeah.
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And did your friend tell you
he needed your help today?
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Yes.
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He was gonna
call you as a witness.
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Obviously, yes.
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Hm. So, if you had testified
that you had seen your friend
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with a bunch of wine bottles
sticking out of his overcoat,
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it'd probably be, uh,
pretty bad for his case.
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Right?
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Any objections, Mr. Gideon?
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Um, no.
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You may answer, Mr. Bray.
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I guess it wouldn't
help his case, no.
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One more question.
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What did Clarence Gideon say to you
when he got into your cab that night?
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Well, he... he said
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not to tell anyone that I
had seen him that night.
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-But...
-No further questions.
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Any redirect, Mr. Gideon?
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Redirect, Your Honor?
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Yes, you are allowed to briefly further
question the witness, if you wish.
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Um, no, thank you, Judge.
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Mr. Gideon, do you have any
other witnesses to call?
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No, Your Honor.
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You are not going to
testify on your own behalf?
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Would that guy get
to question me too?
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Yes, he would.
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Then no, definitely
not, Your Honor.
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Has the jury
reached a verdict?
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We have, Your Honor.
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What say you?
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To the count
of felony burglary,
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we the jury, find the
defendant, Clarence Gideon...
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guilty.
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As you've seen, having to defend
himself didn't work out very well
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for Clarence Gideon, and he was
sentenced to five years in prison.
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But despite having only
an eighth grade education,
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he came up with a legal
argument for an appeal
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to the Supreme Court
of the United States.
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To whom
it may concern...
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I've been reading the
Constitution while in prison,
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particularly, the
14th Amendment.
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It says in there that no state
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can deny me due process
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without equal
protection of the law.
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Well, I'm a man who wasn't
able to afford a lawyer,
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and they told me I
couldn't have one.
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So, I had to represent myself.
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That doesn't seem like
equal protection to me.
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I should get due process,
even if I'm poor, right?
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Now, I'm doing five years
for a crime I didn't commit.
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And I'll bet a good lawyer
would've proven I'm innocent.
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Can you help me? Signed, a
fellow American, Clarence Gideon.
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The Supreme Court agreed
to hear Gideon's argument
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that his conviction
was unconstitutional.
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Remember, though, the Supreme Court
had already ruled Betts v. Brady
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about 20 years earlier
that in most cases,
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states did not have to provide an attorney
for those who couldn't afford one.
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We're going to use our
attorneys and our judges
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to show you how the question was
answered for Clarence Gideon.
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-Mr. Bakman, you may proceed.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
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Our system of criminal justice
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differs from every other
country in the world
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because one, we have a
presumption of innocence,
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and two, we have a
guarantee of a fair trial.
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And the way we guarantee
that precept is
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we don't refuse
criminal defense counsel
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to a poor person, and set them loose in
a courtroom, representing themselves,
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when there is a seasoned
prosecutor on the other side.
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That's what happened
to Clarence Gideon.
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If in fact, we want to
stand by our Bill of Rights,
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which guarantees the right to
an attorney in a criminal case,
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then it's time to do
away with Betts v. Brady,
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and let all criminal defendants
have the right to an attorney
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so that they can level the playing field
with seasoned prosecutors like this.
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Thank you.
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Mr. Mentzer.
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Thank you, Your Honor. This very
court decided this very issue
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in the case of Betts v. Brady.
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And this court decided that yes, a
criminal defendant accused of a crime
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does deserve to have a
lawyer paid for by the state
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if he can't afford one himself.
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However, the court was mindful
of the overwhelming burden
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that the taxpayer would have
if every single defendant
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accused of a crime had a lawyer
paid for him by the state,
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and they decided that
there were certain cases
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that would not have the protection
of a lawyer paid for by the state.
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There were checks in place to
ensure that a criminal defendant
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who couldn't afford a lawyer
would still have a fair trial.
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This is the very type of a case
that did not guarantee a defendant
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a right to a lawyer
paid for by the state.
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And that's why I'm gonna ask
this court to uphold that verdict
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and not place the heavy
burden on the taxpayer
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that Mr. Bakman is
asking this court to do.
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-Thank you.
-Thank you, counsel. Judge Levy?
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Thank you. Mr. Mentzer,
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checks and balances is what
you just told us were in place
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according to this court's
decision in Betts v. Brady
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to the extent that a criminal defendant
was unable to successfully defend himself.
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That there were
checks and balances,
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and that the trial judge
would be able to help.
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That is correct.
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I will tell you, I don't
know about my colleagues,
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but my review of the trial
below, suggested anything other
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than a trial judge trying
to help out Mr. Gideon
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who, with an eighth grade education
presented no theory of defense,
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challenged no jurors,
and conducted, at best,
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a limited cross-examination
of the number one eyewitness.
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And what is your
job as a prosecutor?
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To present the evidence.
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Your role, sir, is
to seek justice.
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And in your role as a
prosecutor in seeking justice,
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would you agree that it would be
more likely that justice is served
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when a criminal defendant
with an eighth grade education
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is provided with a lawyer to
help him present his case?
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I would agree that the likelihood
of getting a better defense
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is higher with a defense lawyer.
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But there are other issues
at play here, Judge.
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It seems to me that you would rather
the taxpayer just open up his wallet
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any time some habitual career
criminal wants to commit crimes,
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he snaps his fingers, you're
gonna pay for another lawyer.
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Well, I'm looking at that. I'm looking
at the Sixth Amendment right now,
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and the Sixth Amendment
guarantees the right to counsel.
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You agree with that, yes?
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The Sixth Amendment guarantees the
right to counsel in federal court.
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So, what you're really
saying, Mr. Mentzer,
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is that this is
a state law case.
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Is that the US Supreme
Court has no business
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telling the state of Florida
what a fair trial looks like.
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-Yes.
-Thank you.
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-Mr. Bakman.
-Yes, Your Honor.
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Please explain. Why do you
believe that this court
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should overrule Betts v. Brady?
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Because due process,
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as applied to the states
through the 14th Amendment
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requires the right to counsel.
Denial of the right to counsel
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for all classes of crimes in
state court is discriminatory.
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So, what you're saying
is that the due process
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that would otherwise apply
in the federal system,
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should likewise apply in the state
of Florida where Mr. Mentzer is from?
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Absolutely, Your Honor, and anything
other than that shocks the conscience.
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In order to enforce the
Constitution of the United States
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if counsel is necessary
to guarantee those rights,
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then the individual should have
the right to appointed counsel.
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Thank you. I have
nothing further.
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-Thank you. Mr. Mentzer.
-Yes, Judge.
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You raised an issue before, and
that is that state defendants
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don't have the same rights as
those charged in a federal court.
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And that's your
position in here.
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My position is more of a
financial scale argument,
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where we should provide a lawyer
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to criminally indigent criminal
defendants in most cases.
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But not all cases.
Where does it end?
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It may not end, provided that when
someone's life and liberty are at stake,
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that we give them what they need
in order to protect and defend it.
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And yes, I get it. There's
an expense in all of this.
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And so, with that expense,
where does the balance end?
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It should end right
in the beginning.
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The balance weighs in favor of your
life and your liberty, Mr. Mentzer.
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So, I'm gonna ask Mr. Bakman
a couple questions.
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Why don't you have
a seat. Mr. Bakman?
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Do you know of clients
that have been incarcerated
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-after a conviction after trial?
-Yes.
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Do a number of them
spend time in prison
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awaiting the decision to
have their case reversed?
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-Yes.
-Okay.
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And that being the case, then their life
and liberty is being taken from them
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while their incompetence
to represent them self
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is being reviewed by
an appellate court.
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That's what would happen based
on Mr. Mentzer's position.
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Would that be correct or not?
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Correct, Your Honor. It would be
a shock to the justice system.
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Can we extend
that Sixth Amendment right
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to individuals who
cannot afford counsel
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and are charged in the
state court with a crime?
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To not do so, Judge, it would
serve as a grave injustice
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to these poor individuals
who cannot afford counsel
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but want counsel.
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I think that based on
what we've discussed here,
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I don't have any
further questions.
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-Thanks, Your Honor.
-Thank you, Mr. Bakman.
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Mr. Bakman, please,
remain where you are.
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What are the limits of the
process that are required here?
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Because part of a
lawyer's duty to represent
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means doing factual
investigation, hiring experts.
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Perhaps, in some jurisdictions,
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counsel might be well advised
to hire a jury consultant.
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Depending on the
case, absolutely.
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So, I just want to be
clear about your argument.
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Your argument is that
these additional expenses
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should be incurred, the
Constitution requires them,
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irrespective of the impact
on American taxpayers.
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Law-abiding folks have just got to
suck it up. Is that your position?
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It is my position in a direct
answer. But I'd like to explain.
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Please.
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Again, I go back to the concept
of our criminal justice system.
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And that is, let's ensure that
the playing field is level.
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So that truly innocent
people are not...
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Ah-ah-ah, it doesn't just
apply to truly innocent people.
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So, what you're essentially saying is
that there might be some innocent folks.
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But taxpayers, you must assume the
burden of a full and complete defense
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for whatever poor child
molester, poor murderer,
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indigent person who has
killed and harmed communities,
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we still have to pay for that.
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If the taxpayer wants to live in a country
where there are Constitutional guarantees,
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then they're going to
have to pay for it.
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I appreciate your candor and being so
straightforward about your position.
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-Thank you, Mr. Bakman.
-Thank you.
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-Mr. Mentzer, please.
-Yes.
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Indulge me. What does
due process mean to you?
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It means that before someone could
take away your life or your liberty,
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that you have to have a system in place
to ensure that it was done properly.
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And that system in place
includes certain key protections
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that are fundamental to the
American notion of a fair trial.
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-Yes?
-I would agree with that.
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The right to read what the
other side says about you.
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Yes. But that's not all the
evidence in a criminal case.
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What
if you are illiterate
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as roughly 14% of the
American population is?
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What does due process
mean to those folks?
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That would be a
special circumstances
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that would require the
state to pay for a lawyer
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for an illiterate defendant
charged with a case.
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What is the difference between absolute
illiteracy and functional illiteracy?
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What if someone can only
read to a third grade level?
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I don't believe an eighth-grade education
doesn't preclude Clarence Gideon
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from knowing that the acquaintance
is saying, I saw you...
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I will respectfully submit to you,
sir, that I bet you like your odds
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against illiterate people. I have
nothing further for you, sir.
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Thank you very much.
We're gonna retire to deliberate.
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Gideon was charged in a Florida
state court with a felony,
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appearing without an
attorney and without funds.
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Mr. Gideon proceeded without counsel,
interposed a bare-bones defense,
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and was convicted
after a jury trial.
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The Sixth Amendment of the
United States Constitution
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provides in pertinent
part that a defendant
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charged with a capital offense in
federal court has a right to counsel.
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00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:14,876
As clear as its application
to the federal courts,
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its applicability to
state criminal proceedings
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has been a continuing source
of controversy and litigation.
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We cannot emphasize enough
how offensive and egregious
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to the idea of fundamental fairness it
is to continue to allow poor persons
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charged with crime to stand
alone before the state tribunal
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deciding their fate without
the benefit of counsel.
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We are joined by 22 states
as friends of the court
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who argue that Betts was an anachronism,
and it should be now overruled.
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We agree. Precedent, reason,
common sense and reflection
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require us to recognize
that without an attorney,
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an accused could likely be
signing his own death warrant.
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The judgment is reversed and the cause
remanded to the trial court of Florida.
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00:23:06,427 --> 00:23:09,931
So, the Supreme Court
struck down Betts v. Brady.
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And in doing so, they effectively
created the public defender system
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we now have in every state.
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Today, everyone who's put on trial
has the right to an attorney.
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00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:24,112
Clarence Gideon won
his Supreme Court case,
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but he still had to go back to
court to try to win his freedom...
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this time, represented by a
lawyer who knew what he was doing.
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Now, you get to be the jury.
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Watch what happens when the same witness
testimony is handled by a savvy attorney.
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Then you decide if Clarence
Gideon is guilty, or not guilty.
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Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
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this is the case of the
People of the state of Florida
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against Clarence
Gideon, the defendant.
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The defendant is charged
with breaking and entering
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into a business, and stealing property
while in the course of that break-in.
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It is the burden of the People to
prove beyond a reasonable doubt
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that Mr. Gideon
committed those crimes.
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At the conclusion of all the evidence,
I will give you a jury instruction
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and you will be asked to deliberate
to determine whether or not
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the People have
sustained their burden,
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which I again repeat, is
beyond a reasonable doubt
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that the defendant committed
the crime of burglary.
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Are the People ready?
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The People are
ready, Your Honor.
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00:24:24,547 --> 00:24:26,757
-Defense ready?
-Defense is ready, Your Honor.
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Note your appearance.
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For the great state of
Florida, I'm Dan Mentzer.
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And Larry Bakman, on behalf of
Clarence Earl Gideon, Your Honor.
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You wish to make an
opening statement?
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00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:38,811
-I do, Your Honor.
-You may proceed.
433
00:24:38,895 --> 00:24:42,023
Clarence Gideon is
guilty of burglary.
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That man sitting right over there
broke into the Bay Harbor Pool Room
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on June third, in the early morning
hours, and he stole property.
436
00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:51,908
The case really is that simple.
437
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:55,077
Now, whether Mr. Gideon
went to trial himself
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or whether he has the help of a seasoned
defense attorney like Larry Bakman,
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00:24:59,373 --> 00:25:01,792
he's still guilty of burglary.
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00:25:01,876 --> 00:25:04,128
And at the end of this
case, we're gonna ask you
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to examine the evidence and find that
man guilty of burglary. Thank you.
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00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,302
Thank you, Mr. Mentzer.
Mr. Bakman?
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00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:15,056
Thank you, Your Honor. This
is an opening statement.
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Opening statement is really a
preview of coming attractions.
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And what you're going
to see in this trial
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is the prosecution's
case falling apart.
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Their case hinges on really, the
testimony of one individual, Henry Cook.
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And at the end of the day,
I'm going to ask you to return
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with a verdict of not
guilty in this case,
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because the People have failed to
prove every element of the offense
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beyond a reasonable doubt
to a moral certainty.
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00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:47,046
Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Bakman. Mr. Mentzer,
call your first witness, please.
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The prosecution
calls Henry Cook.
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-You may inquire.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
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Mr. Cook, I'm gonna call
your attention to June third
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at approximately 5:30 A.M.
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Where were you at that
date at that time?
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00:26:06,524 --> 00:26:09,318
I was on the street in Bay Harbor,
near the Bay Harbor Pool Room.
460
00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:10,987
Did you notice anything unusual
461
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:13,364
while you were in the vicinity
of the Bay Harbor Pool Room?
462
00:26:13,447 --> 00:26:16,701
Yes. I actually saw Gideon
come out the door of the pool hall.
463
00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:21,080
What was Mr. Gideon holding,
if anything, in his hands, that morning?
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00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:24,625
He was holding some wine in his
hands, and I also had noticed
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00:26:24,709 --> 00:26:27,878
that his pockets were bulging, but
I couldn't see what was inside.
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00:26:27,962 --> 00:26:32,133
Now, what did you do after seeing
Mr. Gideon behind the pool hall
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with bulging pockets
and wine in his hands?
468
00:26:34,468 --> 00:26:38,472
Well, I noticed he was walking
down towards the drugstore,
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00:26:38,556 --> 00:26:40,474
which after he got
into a phone booth.
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00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:43,394
After a few minutes, he
got out of the phone booth.
471
00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:45,271
He waited a little bit,
and then a cab drove up.
472
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:47,231
And he got into the
cab and it drove away.
473
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,818
Now, were you able to observe
the cab driver who drove him away?
474
00:26:50,901 --> 00:26:52,987
Yes, it was a gentlemen
named Preston Bray.
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00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:03,873
Hey, Pres.
476
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,708
Hey, Clarence, what's up, buddy?
477
00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:10,212
Oh, I had it going tonight at
nine-ball. Ran Cook off the table.
478
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,006
Time to celebrate.
479
00:27:12,089 --> 00:27:13,257
Oh, nice.
480
00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:15,509
I'll have some of that in
my coffee when I get off.
481
00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:17,845
Where to?
482
00:27:17,928 --> 00:27:20,056
Panama City, my man.
483
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:24,435
Hey, Pres, things are still
rocky with me and the old lady.
484
00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:26,937
So, don't tell anyone you
seen me tonight, all right?
485
00:27:27,021 --> 00:27:28,356
Yeah, I got you.
486
00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:31,567
Why would tonight be any different
than any other night, right?
487
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:33,611
You said it.
488
00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:39,909
Now, what
did you do next?
489
00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:42,453
I walked back to the pool room,
and I saw it had been broken into.
490
00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:45,206
Did you speak with the officer
that showed up that morning
491
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:47,166
-at the pool room when you were there?
-Yes, sir.
492
00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:49,669
-And did you tell him what you saw?
-I told him everything I saw.
493
00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:51,629
-Thank you so much, Mr. Cook.
-Thank you.
494
00:27:51,712 --> 00:27:53,172
-Mr. Bakman.
-Thanks, Your Honor.
495
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:58,594
So, Mr. Cook, this isn't your
first time testifying to a jury
496
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,721
in a case against my
client, is it, sir?
497
00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:02,014
That's correct.
498
00:28:02,098 --> 00:28:07,144
Now, in this particular case, sir,
you claim that you happened to be
499
00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:10,022
outside the pool hall
at 5:30 in the morning?
500
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:11,357
-Yes?
-Correct.
501
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,945
You had been given a drive by
your friends from 60 miles away.
502
00:28:16,028 --> 00:28:19,031
And you all parked in
front of the pool hall
503
00:28:19,115 --> 00:28:23,494
instead of being driven two blocks
away where you lived. Correct?
504
00:28:23,577 --> 00:28:24,620
Correct.
505
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:28,874
And the reason your friends and you
parked two blocks away from home
506
00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:31,627
was because you're the ones who were
stealing from inside the pool hall.
507
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,087
Absolutely not.
508
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:36,215
Well, the police
arrived later that day.
509
00:28:36,298 --> 00:28:40,594
And you claim to have told the
police that you had no doubt
510
00:28:40,678 --> 00:28:44,640
that it was Clarence Gideon outside
the pool hall. Is that right?
511
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:45,808
No doubt.
512
00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:48,936
And you in fact lied to
the police, did you not,
513
00:28:49,019 --> 00:28:50,855
when you identified my client?
514
00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:52,022
No, I did not.
515
00:28:52,106 --> 00:28:55,860
Well, later that morning,
sir, you had a conversation
516
00:28:55,943 --> 00:28:59,697
with the grocer that was nearby
the pool hall. Is that right?
517
00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:00,948
Yes, I did.
518
00:29:01,031 --> 00:29:05,744
You had a conversation with
Mr. Henderson, the grocer in the area,
519
00:29:05,828 --> 00:29:10,541
and you admitted to Mr. Henderson
you weren't sure who you saw
520
00:29:10,624 --> 00:29:13,502
outside the pool
hall. Yes or no?
521
00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:15,754
I didn't want to be
the talk of the town.
522
00:29:15,838 --> 00:29:20,050
So, the answer to
Mr. Henderson's question
523
00:29:20,134 --> 00:29:25,556
as to who you saw outside the
pool hall was, "I'm not certain."
524
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:27,433
Do I have that right? Yes or no?
525
00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:29,310
-Yes, but I said...
-Thank you.
526
00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:30,853
Nothing further.
527
00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:32,646
You're excused, sir.
528
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,191
Next witness, please.
529
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,110
The prosecution calls
Detective Duell Pitts.
530
00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:39,528
You may inquire, Mr. Mentzer.
531
00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,989
Thank you, Your Honor. Detective,
I'm gonna ask you some questions
532
00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:44,992
about the morning of June third.
Were you working that day?
533
00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:48,245
Yes, I was the Detective
Investigator on duty that morning,
534
00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:51,624
assigned to investigate any
felonies reported on that day.
535
00:29:51,707 --> 00:29:54,710
Were there any felonies reported
that day that you investigated?
536
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,713
Yes, I received a call that
there was a burglary committed
537
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,841
in the Panama City
Bay Harbor area.
538
00:30:00,925 --> 00:30:04,386
What did you observe when you went to
the Bay Harbor Pool Room that morning?
539
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:07,181
The cigarette machine was
busted open from the front.
540
00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:11,352
The jukebox machine was also broken
into with a money bag lying next to it.
541
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:13,896
Detective, did
you, in your investigation
542
00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:17,775
conduct an inventory search with the
owner of the place, Irish Strickland?
543
00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:20,277
Yes, I spoke with the
owner, Irish Strickland.
544
00:30:20,361 --> 00:30:22,863
He gave me a detailed list
of what he says was stolen.
545
00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:26,408
What did Irish Strickland tell you was
removed from his pool hall that morning?
546
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:30,246
Twelve bottles of Coke, twelve cans
of beer and four fifths of wine.
547
00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:34,625
Did Mr. Strickland tell you that any
money was removed from his pool hall?
548
00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:38,462
Yes, he believed that $60 in
coins was taken from the jukebox
549
00:30:38,546 --> 00:30:40,422
and $5 in coins from
the cigarette machine.
550
00:30:40,506 --> 00:30:43,050
Detective, were
you given some information
551
00:30:43,133 --> 00:30:46,053
-that led you to arrest Clarence Gideon?
-Yes.
552
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:50,933
And when you arrested Mr. Gideon, did
you search him incident to that arrest?
553
00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:52,142
Yes.
554
00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:54,728
And did you recover any
money from his pockets?
555
00:30:54,812 --> 00:31:00,401
Yes, he had $25.28 in quarters, dimes,
nickels and pennies in his pockets.
556
00:31:00,484 --> 00:31:01,819
Thank you, Detective.
557
00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:02,987
Mr. Bakman.
558
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:05,072
Thanks, Your Honor.
So, Detective,
559
00:31:05,155 --> 00:31:07,200
you've been doing this job
for awhile, is that right?
560
00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:08,409
Yes, that's correct.
561
00:31:08,492 --> 00:31:12,788
And so, in terms of the person
that places my client, Mr. Gideon,
562
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:16,083
outside the pool hall, that
was Henry Cook. Correct?
563
00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,293
That's correct.
564
00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:19,461
And tell me. You then,
565
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:24,425
went to locate my
client, Mr. Gideon. Yes?
566
00:31:24,508 --> 00:31:25,551
Yes, that's right.
567
00:31:25,634 --> 00:31:27,720
-You found him at a bar, correct?
-That's correct.
568
00:31:27,803 --> 00:31:33,267
And tell me, when you found Mr. Gideon,
did he have 12 cans of soda with him?
569
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:34,435
No, he did not.
570
00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:36,854
-You find any cans of beer with him?
-No, I did not.
571
00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:40,774
So, what I want to
ask you, Detective, is
572
00:31:40,858 --> 00:31:44,945
apart from Henry
Cook's testimony,
573
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:47,406
you had absolutely no
evidence tying my client
574
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,825
to being inside the
pool hall. Did you?
575
00:31:51,035 --> 00:31:52,161
No, I did not.
576
00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:53,662
No further questions.
577
00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:55,497
Witness is excused.
Thank you very much.
578
00:31:56,874 --> 00:31:58,459
Any other witnesses,
Mr. Mentzer?
579
00:31:58,542 --> 00:32:00,586
No, Your Honor, the
state of Florida rests.
580
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:02,504
Thank you,
sir. Mr. Bakman?
581
00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:05,841
Thank you, Your Honor. I'm
gonna call Preston Bray.
582
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,677
-You may inquire.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
583
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,513
Mr. Bray, what do you do for a living,
if you'd tell the jury, please?
584
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:11,639
I'm a cab driver.
585
00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:14,933
And do you know Mr. Gideon
who's seated to my left?
586
00:32:15,017 --> 00:32:17,311
-Yes.
-And how do you know him?
587
00:32:17,394 --> 00:32:19,021
Well, I, uh, give him cab rides,
588
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,106
and we have coffee at my
place almost every day.
589
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:25,110
And so, directing your
attention to June third.
590
00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:28,781
Did you give Mr. Gideon
a cab ride somewhere?
591
00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:30,032
Uh, yes, I did.
592
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:33,744
All right. So, let me
focus on what you observed
593
00:32:33,827 --> 00:32:35,954
when you saw Mr. Gideon
that morning.
594
00:32:36,038 --> 00:32:38,248
Did he have any cans
of soda with him?
595
00:32:38,332 --> 00:32:39,458
No, he did not.
596
00:32:39,541 --> 00:32:41,835
-Did he have any cans of beer?
-Nope.
597
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:46,548
Did he have a bottle of wine that
was partially consumed with him?
598
00:32:46,632 --> 00:32:47,841
No, he did not.
599
00:32:47,925 --> 00:32:53,180
And tell me, did the pants look like they
were holding an immense amount of coins?
600
00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:54,682
No.
601
00:32:54,765 --> 00:32:56,350
Mr. Bray,
tell the jury,
602
00:32:56,433 --> 00:32:58,727
how were you paid by
Mr. Gideon for the cab ride?
603
00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:00,479
With, uh, six quarters.
604
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:01,605
I have nothing further.
605
00:33:01,689 --> 00:33:03,566
-Any questions?
-Oh, yes, Your Honor.
606
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:06,402
-You may inquire.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
607
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:09,697
I just want to make sure I
have this straight, Mr. Bray.
608
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:13,075
This man seated in court, the
defendant Clarence Gideon,
609
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:15,369
-is your close friend?
-Yes, he is.
610
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,454
Now, you learned
that he was charged
611
00:33:17,538 --> 00:33:20,290
with burglarizing the Bay
Harbor Pool Room, right?
612
00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:21,500
Mm-hmm, yeah.
613
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:25,504
And he asked you to testify in
court to help him, didn't he?
614
00:33:25,587 --> 00:33:26,839
I assume, yeah.
615
00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:31,343
And knowing that he was accused of
leaving the Bay Harbor Pool Room
616
00:33:31,427 --> 00:33:34,388
with a bottle of wine,
you knew that by saying
617
00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:37,891
that you didn't see any wine in his hand
that you would be of help to him. Right?
618
00:33:37,975 --> 00:33:40,811
Yes. I'm sure that's
why he asked me.
619
00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:46,900
And you know that by saying that you
didn't see pockets bulging with coins,
620
00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:51,530
that was gonna be helpful testimony
to getting your friend Clarence Gideon
621
00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:54,575
-off of this case. Right?
-I suppose so, yes.
622
00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:58,954
Your friend Clarence Gideon, before
he left your cab that morning said,
623
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,832
"If anyone asks you
where you let me off,
624
00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:04,543
you don't know. You
haven't seen me." Right?
625
00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:07,629
That's... that's
what he said, yeah.
626
00:34:07,713 --> 00:34:09,297
Thank you, Mr. Bray.
627
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:10,924
Redirect, Your Honor?
628
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:12,050
You may inquire.
629
00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:14,303
Thank you, Your Honor.
Mr. Bray, I want to ask you,
630
00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:16,679
you've known Mr. Gideon
for awhile, have you not?
631
00:34:16,764 --> 00:34:17,764
Oh, yeah.
632
00:34:17,848 --> 00:34:19,725
Would you describe
yourself as a good friend?
633
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:20,851
Very good friend.
634
00:34:20,934 --> 00:34:22,895
And you've been
personally present to see
635
00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:26,607
that he and his wife argue over
his alcohol use. Is that correct?
636
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,610
Putting it mildly, yeah.
That's-that's happened frequently.
637
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:33,405
So, in reference to
the statement you made
638
00:34:33,489 --> 00:34:36,742
attributable to Mr. Gideon
when you dropped him off,
639
00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:39,203
how did you interpret
that statement?
640
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:43,373
Yeah, I reckoned it was on account of
the trouble he's having with his wife.
641
00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:48,587
Hey, Pres, things are still a little
rocky with me and the old lady,
642
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:51,089
so don't tell anyone you
seen me tonight, all right?
643
00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:52,549
Yeah, I got you.
644
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:55,010
Why would tonight be any different
than any other night, right?
645
00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:58,889
I have no further questions.
646
00:34:58,972 --> 00:35:00,307
Mr. Mentzer?
647
00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:05,187
When Mr. Gideon told you right
before he left that cab that morning,
648
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:06,814
"You haven't seen me,"
649
00:35:08,148 --> 00:35:10,568
you believed it might've had
something to do with his wife, right?
650
00:35:10,651 --> 00:35:11,902
Right, yeah.
651
00:35:11,985 --> 00:35:13,425
You don't
know for certain.
652
00:35:14,738 --> 00:35:16,156
No, but...
653
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,116
You don't
know if he meant to say
654
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,745
you haven't seen me because I just
robbed the Bay Harbor Pool Room.
655
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:24,122
-Objection. Speculation.
-Sustained.
656
00:35:24,206 --> 00:35:27,543
Anything else? Witness is
excused. Thank you very much, sir.
657
00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:29,378
Anything else, Mr. Bakman?
658
00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:32,422
I call Clarence
Gideon to the stand.
659
00:35:32,506 --> 00:35:33,799
Take the stand, sir.
660
00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:42,307
You may inquire.
661
00:35:42,391 --> 00:35:44,268
Thank you,
Your Honor. Mr. Gideon,
662
00:35:44,351 --> 00:35:48,647
back on June third, sir, did
you break into the pool hall?
663
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:50,065
No, I didn't.
664
00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:53,402
Did you steal money from either of
the machines inside the pool hall?
665
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,528
No.
666
00:35:54,611 --> 00:35:58,490
And when you got
into Preston Bray's cab,
667
00:35:58,574 --> 00:36:00,284
did you have any
bottles of wine?
668
00:36:00,367 --> 00:36:02,369
No. I don't drink wine.
669
00:36:02,452 --> 00:36:04,205
Did you have
any cigarettes with you?
670
00:36:04,288 --> 00:36:05,497
No, sir.
671
00:36:05,581 --> 00:36:09,877
Tell me, on the morning of June third,
you were arrested. Is that right?
672
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,044
That's correct.
673
00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:15,257
And when you talked to Detective
Pitts, and he asked you questions,
674
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:18,302
you denied stealing any
money from the pool hall.
675
00:36:18,385 --> 00:36:20,721
-Of course, I did.
-Because you didn't do it, did you?
676
00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:22,014
That's correct.
677
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:25,601
And to end your testimony
before this jury, Mr. Gideon,
678
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:29,813
tell the jury, sir, how much
money did you have on you
679
00:36:29,897 --> 00:36:32,608
when police arrested
you that morning?
680
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:34,776
I had approximately $26.
681
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,737
Where'd you get the $26?
682
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:38,906
I won it gambling.
683
00:36:38,989 --> 00:36:40,449
That's how you make your money?
684
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:41,617
Yeah, when I can.
685
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,370
Certainly not by stealing and
breaking in to pool halls, is it?
686
00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:46,663
No, sir. Never.
687
00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:47,998
No further questions.
688
00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:49,374
You may inquire, Mr. Mentzer.
689
00:36:49,458 --> 00:36:51,627
Thanks, Your Honor. Mr. Gideon,
690
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,463
you heard Henry Cook
say that he saw you
691
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,466
in the vicinity of the
Bay Harbor Pool Room
692
00:36:57,549 --> 00:37:01,136
at about 5:30 A.M. on the morning of
June third. Correct? You heard that?
693
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,262
Yes.
694
00:37:02,346 --> 00:37:04,723
-And that was true, correct?
-Yes, that's true.
695
00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:08,268
You heard Henry
Cook testify to this jury
696
00:37:08,352 --> 00:37:13,273
that he saw you that morning step into
a taxi cab and leave the area. Correct?
697
00:37:13,357 --> 00:37:14,524
Yes, I heard that.
698
00:37:14,608 --> 00:37:18,153
And when Mr. Cook said that, he was
also telling the truth, wasn't he?
699
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,237
That was true.
700
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:21,490
He even got the
cab driver right, didn't he?
701
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,116
Yeah, he did.
702
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,787
In fact, when Henry Cook said
that your pockets were bulging,
703
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,623
your pockets were in fact
bulging with coins, weren't they?
704
00:37:29,706 --> 00:37:31,500
What do you mean, b-bulging?
705
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:36,463
Well, you had $26 worth of coins
in your two pockets, correct?
706
00:37:36,546 --> 00:37:38,131
Yeah, that's correct, yeah.
707
00:37:38,215 --> 00:37:42,469
But you didn't take those coins from
Irish Strickland's pool room, did you?
708
00:37:42,552 --> 00:37:44,638
No, sir, I most
certainly did not.
709
00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:46,932
Were you walking down the street
with a pocket full of coins
710
00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:49,518
for any particular reason
that morning, Mr. Gideon?
711
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:53,647
Yeah. I don't leave money at my
apartment because I don't trust no one.
712
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:57,109
Now, did you have a steady job
at the time you were arrested?
713
00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,360
No, I did not.
714
00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:02,030
And it's your testimony
that you make the money
715
00:38:02,114 --> 00:38:05,534
that you need to pay the rent
by your gambling job. Right?
716
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:06,952
Most of the time that works.
717
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:09,871
But as a gambler, sometimes you
win, sometimes you lose. Right?
718
00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:11,331
Of course.
719
00:38:11,415 --> 00:38:12,791
Thank
you, Mr. Gideon.
720
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:14,876
-Anything else?
-No further questions.
721
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,169
Witness is excused.
722
00:38:19,006 --> 00:38:20,507
Anything else, Mr. Bakman?
723
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:22,009
No, Your Honor.
The defense rests.
724
00:38:22,092 --> 00:38:24,928
Thank you. People, no
rebuttal witnesses?
725
00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:27,640
-No rebuttal, Your Honor.
-Okay. I'll hear closing arguments.
726
00:38:27,723 --> 00:38:30,058
Mr. Mentzer, you
wish to be heard?
727
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:33,437
Thank you, Your Honor.
Here's the news flash here.
728
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,357
Clarence Gideon is still guilty of
burglarizing the Bay Harbor Pool Room
729
00:38:37,441 --> 00:38:38,900
on the morning of June third.
730
00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:42,404
Now, I will give it to Mr. Bakman,
he made some clever arguments.
731
00:38:42,487 --> 00:38:47,909
Some pretty ridiculous arguments. Like
Henry Cook is the real perpetrator.
732
00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:51,371
And if it was Henry Cook,
well, where are the proceeds?
733
00:38:51,455 --> 00:38:54,374
Henry Cook's pockets are
not filled with coins
734
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:58,670
that were removed from the cigarette
machine and from the jukebox.
735
00:38:58,754 --> 00:39:02,924
Henry Cook didn't have any
wine, beer, soda on him either.
736
00:39:03,008 --> 00:39:06,762
Henry Cook is not guilty. In
this case, ladies and gentlemen,
737
00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:09,264
the evidence is
all there for you.
738
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:12,768
You have direct evidence from
the testimony of Mr. Cook.
739
00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:14,853
You have circumstantial evidence
740
00:39:14,936 --> 00:39:18,774
from a man whose pockets are
jam-packed full of coins.
741
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:22,360
The only thing
left for you to do
742
00:39:22,444 --> 00:39:27,532
is to tell this man what he
already knows. He's guilty.
743
00:39:29,618 --> 00:39:32,370
Thank you, Mr. Mentzer.
Mr. Bakman?
744
00:39:32,454 --> 00:39:36,083
All right, ladies and gentlemen,
this is my closing argument.
745
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:40,629
Mr. Gideon is charged in this
case with breaking and entering,
746
00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:44,758
essentially burglarizing
the pool hall.
747
00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:48,845
And you have stolen
sodas, stolen smokes.
748
00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:52,933
You have wine that was taken
and coins that were taken.
749
00:39:53,016 --> 00:39:57,729
Interestingly enough, what did
the detective find on my client?
750
00:39:57,813 --> 00:40:01,608
No smokes, no soda, no wine.
751
00:40:01,691 --> 00:40:07,614
There was absolutely nothing, nothing,
to put Gideon outside the pool hall.
752
00:40:07,697 --> 00:40:13,662
What you have, or rather, I should
say, what the prosecution has, is Cook.
753
00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:16,832
Cook can't be believed.
754
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:22,045
He stands before you, he
testifies from this witness stand,
755
00:40:22,129 --> 00:40:24,089
I saw this guy.
756
00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:27,134
Positive on the
identification, folks.
757
00:40:27,217 --> 00:40:31,888
And yet, minutes later, what
does he tell the grocer?
758
00:40:31,972 --> 00:40:34,349
"I'm not sure at all."
759
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:40,397
How do you reconcile those
two inconsistent statements?
760
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,942
The best they've
got in this case
761
00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:47,946
is the fact that my client
had coins in his pocket.
762
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:52,576
Are you so willing to
convict my client of a felony
763
00:40:52,659 --> 00:40:57,038
by discounting his claim,
764
00:40:57,122 --> 00:41:02,794
that he won money from gambling,
and accept the word of Henry Cook?
765
00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:04,713
I certainly hope not.
766
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:10,510
The prosecution has failed to prove
this case beyond a reasonable doubt.
767
00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:15,849
And because of that, my client is
entitled to a verdict of not guilty.
768
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,602
And that's what I hope
you return. Thank you.
769
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:23,565
Thank you, Mr. Bakman.
Members of the jury,
770
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:27,235
you have now heard all of
the evidence in this case.
771
00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:31,698
And this court charges you to
now deliberate and to determine
772
00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:36,953
whether the People of the state of Florida
have proven beyond a reasonable doubt
773
00:41:37,037 --> 00:41:41,041
that Clarence Gideon committed
the crime of burglary.
774
00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:42,751
Thank you. You may retire.
775
00:41:45,587 --> 00:41:46,922
Court, come to order.
776
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:49,090
The Honorable Judge Judy
Sheindlin presiding.
777
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:51,801
Thank you. The jury
has reached a verdict?
778
00:41:51,885 --> 00:41:54,346
Kevin, can you hand me
that verdict sheet, please?
779
00:41:59,226 --> 00:42:01,353
Mr. Gideon, would
you please rise?
780
00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:07,192
The jury has deliberated.
781
00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:11,112
And at this time, has returned
its verdict and finds you...
782
00:42:12,364 --> 00:42:15,408
not guilty of the
crime of burglary.
783
00:42:15,492 --> 00:42:18,954
This case is dismissed.
You are free to leave, sir.
784
00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:34,177
We now take having an attorney
represent us as a basic American right.
785
00:42:34,261 --> 00:42:38,682
But as we've shown, only
60 years ago, it wasn't.
786
00:42:38,765 --> 00:42:42,185
It makes me wonder how
many people went to jail
787
00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:46,564
before Clarence Gideon,
just because they were poor?
788
00:42:46,648 --> 00:42:51,528
The American justice system is always
evolving, not written in stone,
789
00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:56,074
but with an elasticity that
strives to make it better.66976
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