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Why?
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You know very well why.
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My mom gave me that car.
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Now you're giving it to us.
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Maybe we should just, you know...
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Shut up, Tim.
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This is the plan.
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I'm sorry, Chris.
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But our dealer is gonna kill us
if we don't come up with the money.
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I thought we were friends.
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Well, that's what makes this so hard.
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Look, I'm just trying to get my car
back out of the impound.
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I already got it sold.
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Well, here's the problem that we have,
Mr. Dixon.
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We know that you
falsified a driver's license
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with Chris Hammer's name and your photo.
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You forged his signature
and tried to sell his stolen car.
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It wasn't stolen.
Chris is a friend of mine.
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He asked me to sell it for him.
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Mm. Which brings us
to problem number two.
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Chris Hammer's been reported missing
by his mother.
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So, either you call your friend
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and have him come down here
and straighten all this out,
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or I'm gonna have to arrest you
on charges of forgery.
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I mean, I think Chris is out of town.
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Cut the crap, Mr. Dixon.
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There's video footage of you
trying to sell the car to the dealer.
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He I.D.'d you already.
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Even if your story is true,
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you still tried to falsify documents
and signed them for financial gain.
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But if you confess to the forgery,
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I can make things go a lot easier
with the D.A.
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Maybe he can look the other way
on the stolen car.
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What about my rights?
Don't I get a lawyer? Something?
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What you get is a chance
to put all this behind you
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without making it a lot worse.
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Well, or we can do this the hard way.
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It's your choice.
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I'm Judy Sheindlin.
Before I was a judge on TV,
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I was a judge in New York City
for 15 years,
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and a lawyer for 17 years before that.
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While serving on both sides of the bench,
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I learned that justice
doesn't always end up feeling...
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just.
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Sometimes, the impact of one decision
by a police officer,
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a lawyer, or even a judge,
can change the way justice is delivered.
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We're going to demonstrate this
by taking landmark cases
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from actual crimes
committed by real people,
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and we'll recreate them
with our trial lawyers
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and yours truly, as the trial judge.
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While we're not going
to recreate the trials verbatim,
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all the court's ultimate decisions
are accurate.
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It will be up to you to decide
whether the case was fair
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and the outcome just.
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Real cases, actual lawyers,
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surprising verdicts...
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Justice on Trial.
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This episode of Justice on Trial
focuses on the constitutional protection
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safeguarding a person's right
against self-incrimination.
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Dating back to the 1966 case
of Miranda versus Arizona,
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these so-called Miranda Rights
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must be read to each and every person
in America who is arrested.
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Simply put, they are
the right to remain silent,
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so that you don't have to say anything
to police
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that could be used against you in a court.
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If an officer doesn't
read you these rights,
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anything that you say,
including a confession,
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can't be used to convict you at a trial.
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But like everything else in the law,
the devil's in the details.
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Okay, enough talk.
Let's get back to the crime.
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Rise and shine, sleeping beauty.
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Where am I? What's happening to me?
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It doesn't matter now, dude.
It's the end.
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No, don't do this.
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I'll do anything, please!
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Let's just get this over with.
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I'll tell you what...
I got a gift for you.
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A little something to remember me by.
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Your last cigarette.
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You're welcome.
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I just want to say...
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I'm sorry.
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Come on.
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Come on, help. Come on.
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I can't.
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I'm sorry.
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That should be deep enough.
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Yeah, I suppose it's deep enough
for him to stay put.
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All right, we're ready for you, buddy.
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I can't do this.
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No.
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No. Come on, guys.
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Come on.
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I'm gonna have to put that out now.
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No, please!
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Please!
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Fine. That should do it.
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Let's just get the hell out of here.
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Thanks for the car.
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Archie Dixon ultimately confessed
to the murder of Chris Hammer
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and was put on trial.
But before that trial happened,
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Dixon's lawyers said that his confession
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violated his Fifth Amendment right
against self-incrimination.
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They said that Dixon was not
properly given his Miranda rights.
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We will recreate that hearing
that determined
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whether Dixon's confession could be used
in his eventual trial for murder.
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This is a preliminary,
or pre-trial hearing,
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to determine the admissibility
of a confession
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that was made by the defendant during
the course of a murder investigation.
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We are here to determine
whether or not that confession
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was taken in violation
of Mr. Dixon's Fifth Amendment rights.
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Counsel, you ready?
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-I am, Your Honor.
-Note your appearance, please.
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For the State of Ohio, I'm Dan Mentzer.
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Good morning, Your Honor.
Larry Bakman on behalf of the defendant,
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Archie Dixon, who is present in court.
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Mr. Mentzer, call your first witness.
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The prosecution calls
Detective Ron Scanlon.
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Kevin, swear the witness, please.
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Yes. Raise your right hand, please.
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Do you swear to tell the truth
in these matters today?
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-I do.
-Thank you. Have a seat.
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You may inquire, sir.
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Good afternoon, Detective.
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In late September,
were you assigned to investigate
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the disappearance of a man
named Christopher Hammer?
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Yes.
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Could you please describe to the court
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exactly how it was you came
to be assigned to that case?
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His mother contacted us.
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She hadn't seen her son in several days
and she was concerned.
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She told us that he was currently
living with his two friends,
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Tim Hoffner and Archie Dixon
at the home of Archie Dixon's girlfriend.
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Detective,
when you're assigned to investigate
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the disappearance of an individual,
do you put out some sort of alert
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to neighboring counties to let them know
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that this is a person
to be on the lookout for?
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Yes, sir.
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And did you do that in this case?
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Yes.
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Now, Detective, I want
to draw your attention to October 25th.
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Did something happen
with respect to your investigation
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into the disappearance
of Christopher Hammer?
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Yes. On October 25th, we received
another call from Mr. Hammer's mother.
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According to her,
someone had spotted her son's car
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on the lot of a used car dealership.
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So, we went to the dealership and
we spoke to a man named Ron Parker
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who told us that he did buy the car
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from a man who was claiming
to be Chris Hammer.
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Now, after you got the information
from Ron Parker at the car dealership,
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that a man who claimed to be Chris Hammer
had sold him the car,
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but the description didn't sound
like Chris Hammer,
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did you prepare any type
of photographic array, or anything?
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Yes, sir. I was going to prepare photos
of Hoffner and Dixon,
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to show the car dealer, to see
if perhaps it wasn't Hoffner or Dixon
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who had sold him Hammer's car
and were claiming to be Chris Hammer.
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The car deal immediately pointed
to Archie Dixon
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as the man who identified himself
as Chris Hammer
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and sold him Chris Hammer's car.
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Thank you, Detective,
I have no further questions.
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-You may inquire, sir.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
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So, Detective Scanlon,
let me see if I have this right.
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In terms of your role in this case,
you began this case
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looking into a forgery of a title
on a car. Do I have that right?
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Yes.
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And you also had information suggesting
that Mr. Hammer had disappeared.
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That came from Hammer's mother.
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-Yes?
-Yes.
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And so, as I understand it,
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your role, your participation was limited
to an interview at the police station
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when Archie Dixon showed up
to claim a car that didn't belong to him.
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-Yes?
-Correct. Correct.
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If you confess to the forgery,
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I can make things go a lot easier
with the D.A.
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Maybe he can look the other way
on the stolen car.
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What about my rights?
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Don't I get a lawyer, or something?
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What you get is a chance to put all this
behind you without making it a lot worse.
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Well, or we can do this the hard way.
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It's your choice.
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All right. I forged his signature.
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Well.
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Mr. Archie Dixon, I'm placing you
under arrest for forgery.
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Place your hands behind your back, please.
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What, right now?
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-Hands behind your back.
-Damn.
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Standard procedure.
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So, what? I get fingerprinted
or something now?
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You know, before we get to any of that,
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there's the question of what happened
to your so-called friend, Chris Hammer.
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I don't know nothing about that.
He said he was leaving town.
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He's been missing for two months.
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And I'm looking at a guy
who says he knows him,
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stole his car, and then tried to sell it
and pocket the cash.
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I don't know nothing about where he is.
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I was doing him a favor trying
to sell his car.
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Look, I swear.
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What's Tim doing here?
What's going on?
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Well, apparently Tim has something
he wants to get off his chest.
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In order to claim that car,
he had forged documents.
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-Do I have that right?
-Yes, sir.
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But you used
the forgery investigation as a pretext,
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because you were hoping
you would get some answers
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regarding Hammer's disappearance
from my client. Isn't that right?
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Sure. Yes.
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No further questions.
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You're excused, sir.
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Mr. Mentzer, please,
call your next witness.
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The State calls Kristen Wilkerson.
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You may inquire.
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Thank you, Your Honor.
Miss Wilkerson, how old are you?
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Twenty-five years old.
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Do you live here, in Toledo?
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Yes, I'm living in Toledo.
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I was living with my boyfriend,
Archie Dixon.
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Okay. I want to
call your attention to this past summer.
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You said you were living
with Archie Dixon.
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Was there anybody else living
with the two of you this past summer?
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Yes. We were living with Archie's friends,
Chris and Timothy.
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Now, what were the relationship
between Archie Dixon and Chris Hammer?
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They were all friends.
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Now, did you listen
to a conversation
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-that involved Archie Dixon about Chris?
-Yes.
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Could you just tell the court
what occurred in that conversation?
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Yeah. Him and Tim
were over at the house one night.
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And the two of them got to drinking,
trying to figure out ways to make money.
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I heard them talking about Hammer's car,
how much money they could get for it.
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Um, so, the next morning,
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Archie told me that he was gonna
get Hammer tonight.
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And what did you interpret
"get Hammer" to mean?
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To kill him.
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Now, what happened
later on that night?
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Well, when Chris came home that night,
they were ready for him.
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So, they jumped him,
and then, they scooped up Chris
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and they put him in the back of the car.
And then, the three of us drove off.
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Who was driving?
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I was, but Archie was telling me
where to go.
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And then, we got to the edge
of some farm field and he told me to stop.
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And what happened after you
stopped near the farm field?
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They dragged him out of the car.
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And then, they grabbed a shovel
and took him towards the field.
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Come on, guys.
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Have you seen Chris since that night?
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00:14:25,115 --> 00:14:26,116
No.
246
00:14:27,701 --> 00:14:30,662
And after that happened,
were you, in fact, arrested?
247
00:14:30,745 --> 00:14:31,746
Yeah.
248
00:14:31,830 --> 00:14:35,500
And you were charged
with acting in concert in this murder?
249
00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:36,668
Yes.
250
00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:40,630
And are you testifying today pursuant
to a cooperation agreement with my office?
251
00:14:40,714 --> 00:14:42,382
-Yes.
-Thank you, Miss Wilkerson.
252
00:14:42,465 --> 00:14:44,134
I have no further questions, Your Honor.
253
00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:45,468
You may inquire.
254
00:14:45,552 --> 00:14:49,598
So, Miss Wilkerson, let me start out
with the cooperation agreement.
255
00:14:49,681 --> 00:14:55,061
The prosecutor here initially charged you
with aggravated murder. Correct?
256
00:14:55,145 --> 00:14:56,146
Yes.
257
00:14:56,229 --> 00:14:59,024
And you knew that was
a death penalty sentence. Is that right?
258
00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:01,401
-Yes.
-They could execute you for that, correct?
259
00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:03,945
-Yes.
-He took that off the table
260
00:15:04,029 --> 00:15:06,906
in exchange for your testimony today,
did he not?
261
00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:08,033
Yes.
262
00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:10,285
And you expect, when you're sentenced,
263
00:15:10,368 --> 00:15:14,456
that you're gonna walk away
from this case, free of any jail time.
264
00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:15,790
-Is that right?
-Yes.
265
00:15:15,874 --> 00:15:19,210
And so, you would tell this man
anything he wants to hear
266
00:15:19,294 --> 00:15:22,714
in order to walk away from this case.
Is that a fair statement?
267
00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:24,049
Objection.
268
00:15:24,132 --> 00:15:25,383
Overruled.
269
00:15:26,343 --> 00:15:29,054
-Well...
-You would lie to him
270
00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:31,598
in order to walk away from this, yes?
271
00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:32,766
No.
272
00:15:32,849 --> 00:15:37,937
Well, you lied to police, telling them you
knew nothing about the disappearance. Yes?
273
00:15:38,021 --> 00:15:39,022
Yes.
274
00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:44,611
You knew exactly what your roommates
and your boyfriend discussed,
275
00:15:44,694 --> 00:15:48,073
but you decided to lie. Is that right?
276
00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:49,157
Yeah.
277
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,618
And so, we have only your word
278
00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:55,705
that you're now telling us the truth today
rather than lying,
279
00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:58,040
despite the fact
that your life's on the line.
280
00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:59,250
Do I have that right?
281
00:16:00,085 --> 00:16:01,086
Yes.
282
00:16:01,169 --> 00:16:02,587
No further questions.
283
00:16:02,671 --> 00:16:04,511
Witness is excused. Thank you very much.
284
00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:06,800
Next witness?
285
00:16:06,883 --> 00:16:10,679
The State calls
Detective Phillip Kulakoski.
286
00:16:11,805 --> 00:16:13,014
You may inquire, sir.
287
00:16:13,098 --> 00:16:15,267
Thank you, Your Honor.
Detective, were you involved
288
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:17,435
in the arrest of a man
named Archie Dixon?
289
00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:18,520
Yes.
290
00:16:18,603 --> 00:16:20,563
Please, explain for the court
how you got involved
291
00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:22,857
in the arrest of Archie Dixon.
292
00:16:22,941 --> 00:16:26,236
Detective Scanlon and I
had been working on an investigation
293
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:29,322
involving the disappearance
of a man named Christopher Hammer.
294
00:16:29,406 --> 00:16:32,534
We got a positive identification
from a used car dealer
295
00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:35,620
that Mr. Archie Dixon committed a forgery.
296
00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:39,665
Now, Detective, after
you arrested Archie Dixon for forgery,
297
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:42,210
was it just your intention
to process him for the forgery,
298
00:16:42,293 --> 00:16:44,713
or did you have any other goal in mind?
299
00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:48,550
We were hoping to get some information
on the disappearance of Mr. Hammer.
300
00:16:48,633 --> 00:16:51,553
Now, you've been a detective
for how many years?
301
00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:52,679
About ten years.
302
00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:57,058
So, you understand that
when you have a suspect that's in custody,
303
00:16:57,142 --> 00:17:00,145
you have to read them certain rights
before you can question them. Right?
304
00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:01,229
That's correct.
305
00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:03,982
Clearly, Mr. Dixon was
in custody after you arrested him. Right?
306
00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:05,108
Yes, sir.
307
00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:07,944
Did you read him his rights
before you began to speak with him?
308
00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:09,779
No.
309
00:17:09,863 --> 00:17:14,200
Now, is there a reason why you didn't
read Mr. Dixon his Miranda rights
310
00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:17,494
before you started to speak with him,
even though he was in custody?
311
00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:19,414
We decided not to Mirandize him
312
00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:22,125
because we thought he wouldn't want
to talk to us if we did.
313
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:26,003
Now, did Archie Dixon speak to you
after you began to speak with him
314
00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:27,255
without having Mirandized him?
315
00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:32,761
Yes. He told us he had no idea
where Chris Hammer was.
316
00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:35,722
But he did admit to selling Chris' car,
317
00:17:35,805 --> 00:17:38,933
but he told us he got permission
from Chris to sell the car.
318
00:17:39,017 --> 00:17:43,104
Now, Detective Kulakoski,
who is the other suspect in this case?
319
00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:45,106
Uh, Timothy Hoffner.
320
00:17:52,781 --> 00:17:56,910
So, Tim,
you fine with me recording this?
321
00:17:56,993 --> 00:18:00,330
I-I... Sure, I got nothing to hide.
322
00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:06,503
And you're here voluntarily?
323
00:18:06,586 --> 00:18:08,713
Yeah, yeah. I, uh...
324
00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:12,258
I just want to see justice for Chris.
325
00:18:12,342 --> 00:18:15,261
So, on the night of September 21st,
326
00:18:16,387 --> 00:18:17,430
where were you?
327
00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:23,520
I was outside in Chris' car, outside
the apartment I share with Archie Dixon.
328
00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,104
And what happened?
329
00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:28,900
I was with Archie's girlfriend.
We were partying
330
00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:32,278
and waiting for Archie to show up.
331
00:18:32,362 --> 00:18:36,491
And then, all of a sudden,
Archie pops open the trunk
332
00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:39,327
and dumps Chris in it.
333
00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:41,788
What did Archie say he was up to?
334
00:18:41,871 --> 00:18:44,791
That we were gonna get
what's coming to us tonight.
335
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,338
And I asked, what does that mean,
and he said, Chris' money.
336
00:18:50,421 --> 00:18:51,798
Did you need money, Tim?
337
00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,676
Well, we owed our dealer quite a bit
338
00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:57,178
and we didn't have anything
coming in, so, yeah.
339
00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:01,391
But I would never take it like that.
340
00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:04,561
Not like that.
341
00:19:06,187 --> 00:19:07,230
Like what?
342
00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:10,733
Like the way Archie killed him.
343
00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:17,156
Now, are there
any investigative techniques
344
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,367
that you have learned
in the police academy
345
00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:23,913
to try and get a suspect to confess or
talk about a crime they've committed?
346
00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:25,582
Yes, absolutely.
347
00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,041
And did you use one of those here?
348
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,919
Yes. When you have two suspects
in custody
349
00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,547
that are suspected
of committing a crime together,
350
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:34,382
we're taught to pin one against another
351
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,927
and try to make them believe
it's in their best interest to confess.
352
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,939
Okay. Here's the deal.
353
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:53,192
We've got Tim in the next room.
He's given you up.
354
00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:54,819
What the hell you talkin' about?
355
00:19:54,903 --> 00:19:57,614
Chris. Tim says you killed him.
356
00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:58,948
I ain't killed nobody.
357
00:19:59,908 --> 00:20:01,117
Chris was a friend of mine.
358
00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:04,871
I notice you're talking about Chris
in the past tense now.
359
00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,332
Nah, I just hadn't, uh, heard
from him in a while.
360
00:20:07,415 --> 00:20:09,876
Mm. Then you should hear this.
361
00:20:09,959 --> 00:20:12,587
Tim told us about the beating
at the apartment,
362
00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:14,714
the body in the woods...
363
00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:17,508
You buried him alive.
364
00:20:17,592 --> 00:20:19,177
He's lying.
365
00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:22,805
He's just trying to save his own ass.
366
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:26,768
How come he knows where the body's buried,
if he didn't do it?
367
00:20:26,851 --> 00:20:29,604
Let me give you a little piece of advice.
368
00:20:29,687 --> 00:20:33,566
The first one of you guys who confesses
to what we all know already happened here,
369
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:36,027
he's gonna get the deal with the D.A.
370
00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:38,947
The other guy, he gets the electric chair.
371
00:20:40,114 --> 00:20:43,534
So, you need to decide whether
you're coming in first...
372
00:20:44,994 --> 00:20:46,120
or last.
373
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,254
Did that interrogation technique work
374
00:20:55,338 --> 00:20:58,091
in getting Mr. Dixon to start talking
about the disappearance of Chris...
375
00:20:58,174 --> 00:20:59,217
Not at that time.
376
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,178
So, what did you do
to Archie Dixon at that time?
377
00:21:03,346 --> 00:21:05,098
We took him back to jail.
378
00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:08,351
Now, after taking him back to jail,
did you have a reason
379
00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:11,270
to believe that you wanted
to talk to Archie Dixon again?
380
00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:12,438
Absolutely.
381
00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,733
And once he was in the precinct,
did you read him anything?
382
00:21:14,816 --> 00:21:17,568
-Yes.
-What did you read him at that time?
383
00:21:17,652 --> 00:21:18,695
His Miranda warnings.
384
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,495
I want to be first.
I want to talk to you guys.
385
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:32,291
Just for clarity then,
I'm advising you of your rights.
386
00:21:33,668 --> 00:21:35,461
You have the right to remain silent.
387
00:21:35,545 --> 00:21:38,381
Anything you say can and will be
used against you.
388
00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:40,425
You have the right for an attorney
to be present.
389
00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:43,219
Do you understand these rights?
390
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,595
Yes.
391
00:21:44,679 --> 00:21:47,432
My lawyer said it's okay
to talk to you guys now.
392
00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:49,684
'Cause you'll give me a better deal.
393
00:21:49,767 --> 00:21:52,770
Yeah. We'll make sure the D.A.
knows that you cooperated.
394
00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:54,689
That goes a long way, let me tell ya.
395
00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:55,857
All right.
396
00:21:56,941 --> 00:22:00,653
Okay. So, tell us what happened
in the apartment.
397
00:22:02,238 --> 00:22:04,073
Chris came from money.
398
00:22:04,157 --> 00:22:07,285
He's always flashing it around,
playing the big guy.
399
00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:08,619
Hitting on my girlfriend.
400
00:22:10,038 --> 00:22:11,539
We's barely getting by.
401
00:22:11,622 --> 00:22:14,333
He's always coming over partying
with Tim and my girl,
402
00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:17,920
while I'm footing the bill.
Even though he's the one with a rich mom.
403
00:22:18,004 --> 00:22:20,923
So, I had nothing, you know.
404
00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:22,717
But still, he wanted what was mine.
405
00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:25,803
So, enough's enough.
406
00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:28,723
Me and Tim decided
we was gonna get what was coming to us.
407
00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:30,850
So, you killed him.
408
00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:34,395
One thing led to another.
409
00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:36,856
It's not like I ever
did anything like that before.
410
00:22:38,316 --> 00:22:39,817
Tell us what happened in the woods.
411
00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:45,531
Well, Chris was in the trunk,
and we was digging the hole.
412
00:22:45,615 --> 00:22:46,866
I come back and...
413
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:49,368
there's Chris,
414
00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:54,499
still hitting on my girlfriend,
right up to the very end.
415
00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:58,377
So, I'm like, time's up, douche bag.
416
00:22:58,461 --> 00:22:59,462
And we buried him.
417
00:23:00,755 --> 00:23:02,256
Alive?
418
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,382
No.
419
00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:06,177
Dirt killed him.
420
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:07,512
Took a few minutes, but...
421
00:23:08,846 --> 00:23:11,432
He stopped twitching after a while
and we got out of there.
422
00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:15,686
He got what he deserved.
423
00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:20,900
All we got was his car.
424
00:23:26,072 --> 00:23:28,407
And then, after he waived his rights,
425
00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:32,829
did Archie Dixon talk to you
about the disappearance of Chris Hammer?
426
00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,914
He told us every single detail.
427
00:23:37,542 --> 00:23:41,337
Now, Detective Kulakoski,
take us from the beginning.
428
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,048
What did Archie Dixon tell you
429
00:23:44,132 --> 00:23:47,343
about the murder of their friend,
Chris Hammer?
430
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,846
He said it started when he and Hoffner
431
00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:52,431
were trying to figure out
how they could get some money.
432
00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:56,018
He said they talked about
stealing Chris' car and selling it,
433
00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:58,604
but figured they needed
to get his identification first.
434
00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:02,650
And they figured the best way to do that
was to kill Chris Hammer.
435
00:24:02,733 --> 00:24:05,736
So, they had no real plan,
according to Dixon.
436
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:07,864
He told us that they just jumped him
437
00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:10,032
and started beating him
with a wine bottle.
438
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:13,035
And they tried to break his neck
but they couldn't kill him.
439
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,205
Finally, they decided the best way
to kill Mr. Hammer
440
00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:18,040
was to bury him underground.
441
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:26,674
Did Mr. Dixon tell you what his friend
Chris Hammer was doing
442
00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:29,844
as he was trying to kill him
with his bare hands?
443
00:24:29,927 --> 00:24:33,431
He was crying and begging for his life.
444
00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:35,600
Did he tell you what they did after that?
445
00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:38,311
They went back to the house
to clean up.
446
00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:41,022
And had a few drinks
before going to bed.
447
00:24:41,105 --> 00:24:43,316
Thank you, Detective. No more questions.
448
00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:47,570
-Okay. You may inquire, sir.
-Thank you.
449
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:52,742
So, Detective, would it be correct
for me to assume
450
00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:58,206
that at the time you arrested my client
on November 9th for forgery,
451
00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:03,085
your real focus in the case was
the disappearance of Mr. Hammer?
452
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:04,337
That's correct.
453
00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:08,299
And when you made the arrest,
you intended to question him
454
00:25:08,382 --> 00:25:10,718
about the disappearance of Mr. Hammer.
455
00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:12,345
-Correct?
-Correct.
456
00:25:12,428 --> 00:25:15,890
So, I just want to make clear
for the record, sir,
457
00:25:15,973 --> 00:25:21,312
when you sat him down in an interview room
at the station, you made a choice.
458
00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:25,942
Your choice was, I'm gonna talk to him
without giving him Miranda warnings.
459
00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:27,068
Yes.
460
00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:30,279
And in that interview on November 9th,
461
00:25:30,363 --> 00:25:34,909
you decided in compounding
the Miranda violation,
462
00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:38,788
to tell this individual,
first one on the bus
463
00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:41,415
gets the deal in the case. Yes?
464
00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:42,792
Yes.
465
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:44,669
And what else did you say to him?
466
00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:49,423
I told him that the suspect who
doesn't get the deal, will pay full price,
467
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:50,883
whatever that may be.
468
00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:54,470
And you had no authority
to offer him a deal, did you?
469
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:55,638
Not at that time.
470
00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:58,266
You, in effect, lied to my client,
didn't you?
471
00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:00,351
Yes.
472
00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:03,020
So, after this first interview,
he, in effect,
473
00:26:03,104 --> 00:26:06,524
decided not to talk to you
about Hammer's disappearance.
474
00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:07,733
-Correct?
-Correct.
475
00:26:07,817 --> 00:26:12,154
And so, a few hours later, you
brought him back from county jail, yes?
476
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:13,239
Yeah.
477
00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:15,408
And this time,
you Mirandized him, yes?
478
00:26:15,491 --> 00:26:16,617
This time, I did.
479
00:26:16,701 --> 00:26:18,953
And then,
you got a full confession.
480
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:20,121
Full confession.
481
00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:24,917
And in your mind, sir, your failure
to Mirandize him in the first interview,
482
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:28,587
and your choice to Mirandize
him in the second interview...
483
00:26:28,671 --> 00:26:31,048
Do the ends justify your means?
484
00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:32,258
-Objection.
-Sustained.
485
00:26:32,341 --> 00:26:33,384
No further questions.
486
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:34,468
Anything else?
487
00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:35,637
If I may, Your Honor?
488
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,764
Do you have to always tell the truth
to a suspect
489
00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:41,434
in order to get them
to volunteer a statement?
490
00:26:41,517 --> 00:26:42,852
No, I don't.
491
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:44,562
I've got no further questions, Judge.
492
00:26:44,645 --> 00:26:47,106
Witness is excused. Thank you very much.
493
00:26:47,189 --> 00:26:49,066
You have any other witnesses, sir?
494
00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:51,444
No, Your Honor. The State rests.
495
00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:52,570
Counsel?
496
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:55,740
And for purposes of
this suppression hearing, Your Honor,
497
00:26:55,823 --> 00:26:57,950
I am going to call my client.
498
00:26:58,034 --> 00:27:00,119
Mr. Dixon, take the stand, please.
499
00:27:04,707 --> 00:27:05,958
You may inquire.
500
00:27:06,042 --> 00:27:09,962
All right. So, Mr. Dixon,
let's go to November 9th.
501
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:14,342
-On November 9th, were you arrested?
-Yes.
502
00:27:14,425 --> 00:27:17,678
And what's your understanding
of what you were arrested for?
503
00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:23,267
Uh, for forgery in connection
to the sale of a stolen car.
504
00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:27,063
And when you were arrested,
were you again taken to a police station?
505
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:28,147
Yes.
506
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:31,025
Were you questioned by a police officer,
a detective?
507
00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:32,109
Yes.
508
00:27:32,193 --> 00:27:36,781
And prior to his questioning you,
did he advise you
509
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:40,951
of your Miranda rights
and tell you that anything you say to him
510
00:27:41,035 --> 00:27:43,496
can be used against you
in a court of law?
511
00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:44,622
No.
512
00:27:44,705 --> 00:27:49,668
And did he try and question you
by telling you,
513
00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:53,756
the first person to get on the bus
and confess
514
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,592
will get a deal in this case?
515
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,803
He said I wouldn't get the gas chamber.
516
00:27:58,886 --> 00:28:01,639
Did you feel coerced as a result of that?
517
00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:04,100
Absolutely.
518
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:07,686
And by the way,
that first interview on November 9th,
519
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,189
they kept you there
from 11:30 in the morning
520
00:28:10,272 --> 00:28:12,316
to 3:30 in the afternoon, did they not?
521
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,485
Yeah, and then they
took me back to county.
522
00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:18,114
And when you went to county,
were you there for a few hours
523
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:23,327
and then brought back to that same
interview room by that same detective?
524
00:28:23,411 --> 00:28:24,412
I was.
525
00:28:24,495 --> 00:28:29,125
And at this point in time,
what did the detective say to you?
526
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,253
When I was brought back,
they read me the, uh...
527
00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:33,462
-Miranda?
-Yes.
528
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,756
Did you decide
to talk to them this time?
529
00:28:36,841 --> 00:28:40,052
After learning
that they had found Hammer's body.
530
00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:45,307
And that Wilkerson and Hoffner
had said that it was me that murdered him.
531
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:46,600
Yeah, I did.
532
00:28:46,684 --> 00:28:49,728
And you confessed to your role
in the offense. Is that right?
533
00:28:49,812 --> 00:28:51,022
Along with Wilkerson and Hoffner.
534
00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:52,357
Thank you.
No further questions.
535
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,483
-You may inquire.
-Thanks, Your Honor.
536
00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:58,737
Mr. Dixon, I want to pick things up
right where Mr. Bakman left off.
537
00:28:58,821 --> 00:29:02,283
That is late in the evening
on November 9th.
538
00:29:02,366 --> 00:29:05,870
That was the time in the evening
when you first confessed
539
00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:08,122
to murdering your friend, Chris Hammer.
540
00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:09,457
-Correct?
-Correct.
541
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:13,377
Before you confessed to murdering
Chris Hammer to those detectives,
542
00:29:13,461 --> 00:29:16,755
they warned you that you didn't have
to speak with them, right?
543
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,048
The second time, yes.
544
00:29:18,132 --> 00:29:22,178
Before you confessed
to murdering Chris Hammer,
545
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,473
those detectives told you
that anything you told them
546
00:29:25,556 --> 00:29:27,975
could be used against you
in a court of law.
547
00:29:28,058 --> 00:29:29,310
-Right?
-Yes.
548
00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:31,562
Before you confessed
to murdering Chris Hammer,
549
00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:33,856
they told you that you had
a right to an attorney.
550
00:29:33,939 --> 00:29:35,107
Right.
551
00:29:35,191 --> 00:29:38,277
Now, after
you received all of those rights,
552
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,070
you decided to waive those rights.
553
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:41,780
-Correct?
-I did.
554
00:29:41,864 --> 00:29:44,492
But you chose to waive those rights
555
00:29:44,575 --> 00:29:49,747
only after hearing that Tim Hoffner
had already been implicating you
556
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:51,916
and claiming that
you committed the murder. Right?
557
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:53,083
Right.
558
00:29:53,167 --> 00:29:55,836
And it was only after learning
that Tim Hoffner
559
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,091
had actually confessed, implicated you,
and was still out of jail,
560
00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:03,928
that you believed, that
might be my ticket out of jail, right?
561
00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:05,054
Yeah.
562
00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:07,932
And that, the ticket
out of jail is the reason
563
00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:10,893
you freely and voluntarily
waived your rights
564
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:14,980
and made a statement to the police
about what you did to Chris Hammer. Right?
565
00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:16,148
Yeah.
566
00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:17,441
Thank you.
567
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:19,068
Couple questions on redirect?
568
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:20,653
-You may inquire, sir.
-Thank you.
569
00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:25,699
So, Mr. Dixon, on November 9th,
during the second interview,
570
00:30:25,783 --> 00:30:29,453
when they're telling you,
I'm giving you your Miranda rights now,
571
00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:32,873
we want you to talk to us
and you decided to do that,
572
00:30:32,957 --> 00:30:36,669
did it scare you when they said
they had found the body
573
00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:40,422
and now they want to talk?
Did those words play in your head,
574
00:30:40,506 --> 00:30:45,803
I better get on that bus and
I better be the first one in to confess
575
00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:47,846
in order to save myself the needle?
576
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:48,931
Sure.
577
00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:50,140
No further questions.
578
00:30:50,224 --> 00:30:51,517
Witness is excused.
579
00:30:55,563 --> 00:30:58,732
Mr. Mentzer, would you like
to make a brief closing argument?
580
00:30:58,816 --> 00:31:00,234
I would, Your Honor. Thank you.
581
00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:03,070
Your Honor, let's be clear here.
There were two statements
582
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:06,949
that Archie Dixon made
to police detectives on November 9th.
583
00:31:07,032 --> 00:31:11,287
The first statement he made
after not having received Miranda rights.
584
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,707
You get no argument from the State.
We recognize that any statement
585
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,751
he made in that first session
should be suppressed.
586
00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:22,464
However, later on in the evening
upon getting new information,
587
00:31:22,548 --> 00:31:25,843
the police detectives took him out,
and we know this,
588
00:31:25,926 --> 00:31:28,053
that they read him his rights.
589
00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:30,598
He waived those rights,
and then he confessed.
590
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:33,684
There was a reason why he chose
that moment to waive his rights
591
00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:36,061
and that is simply
the oldest reason we know,
592
00:31:36,145 --> 00:31:38,606
to get out of jail.
That's why he did it.
593
00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:43,485
That's why he freely and voluntarily
waived the rights that he was aware he had
594
00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:45,195
and agreed to speak to the police.
595
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,366
And that's why the confession was obtained
through lawful and constitutional means
596
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:51,869
and the court should not suppress it.
597
00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:53,662
-Thank you, Your Honor.
-Thank you.
598
00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:57,458
Thank you, Your Honor.
So, we have an arrest on November 9th.
599
00:31:57,541 --> 00:32:02,087
We move on to the first interview
at 11:30.
600
00:32:02,171 --> 00:32:06,842
And in an effort to avoid having
Mr. Dixon clam up,
601
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,720
they decide,
we're not gonna Mirandize him.
602
00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:15,142
And the excuse given by the officer is,
we weren't gonna use that information.
603
00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:17,936
We just wanted to hear
what he had to say.
604
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:22,274
That's utter nonsense. And then,
in an effort to save themselves,
605
00:32:22,358 --> 00:32:25,402
they bring him back after receiving,
yet again,
606
00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:28,947
more information about the body,
where it is.
607
00:32:29,031 --> 00:32:33,619
They bring him back, and lo and behold,
they've worn my client down,
608
00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:39,667
they get a full confession.
That full confession's tainted.
609
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:43,754
I say again, Judge,
as I asked the detective the question;
610
00:32:43,837 --> 00:32:48,050
the end doesn't justify the means.
611
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:49,218
Thank you, Your Honor.
612
00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:50,594
Thank you.
613
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:54,973
We will now take a brief recess
and I will return with my verdict.
614
00:32:59,103 --> 00:33:00,229
Court, come to order.
615
00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:02,856
The Honorable Judge Judy Sheindlin
presiding.
616
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:04,149
Thank you.
617
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:06,985
I will now render my verdict
in this matter.
618
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:13,325
So, what do we have?
We have the initial two encounters
619
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:15,285
where the defendant made no statement.
620
00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:18,455
This is not an issue of
fruit of any poisonous tree.
621
00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:22,292
He didn't inculpate himself.
It wasn't until somehow
622
00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:24,044
he had information.
623
00:33:24,128 --> 00:33:27,297
He had some information
that something had happened,
624
00:33:27,381 --> 00:33:28,966
and said, I want to talk to you.
625
00:33:29,049 --> 00:33:30,884
And then, they Mirandized him.
626
00:33:30,968 --> 00:33:33,846
Orally, and in writing.
627
00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:37,057
And it wasn't until
after he was Mirandized
628
00:33:37,141 --> 00:33:41,395
that he decided to confess
to his participation
629
00:33:41,478 --> 00:33:43,188
in this horrendous crime.
630
00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:47,067
I am confident that he understood
what those Miranda warnings were.
631
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:50,362
So, there is no question in my mind
that he was not coerced,
632
00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:53,741
that he was not enticed,
that he was fully Mirandized.
633
00:33:53,824 --> 00:33:56,618
And that the Motion to Suppress,
Mr. Bakman, is denied.
634
00:33:56,702 --> 00:34:00,456
This case will proceed to trial.
The confession will be admitted.
635
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:01,999
Thank you very much.
636
00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:05,753
At the trial of Archie Dixon,
637
00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:08,672
his controversial confession
was allowed to be introduced
638
00:34:08,755 --> 00:34:10,632
into evidence for the jury to consider.
639
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:15,429
He was found guilty of the brutal murder
of his friend, Chris Hammer.
640
00:34:15,512 --> 00:34:17,764
And he was sentenced to death.
641
00:34:17,848 --> 00:34:21,101
Dixon appealed,
arguing that the trial court
642
00:34:21,185 --> 00:34:24,855
should not have allowed his confession
to be admitted into evidence
643
00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:28,275
as the police had violated his rights
under Miranda.
644
00:34:28,358 --> 00:34:31,320
Would his conviction and death sentence
be overturned?
645
00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:34,281
Here's how it played out
in the appeals court.
646
00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:40,161
Judges, this is case 102,
Ohio versus Dixon.
647
00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:41,789
Thank you, Officer Britt.
648
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,873
Counsel, please, state your appearances
for the record.
649
00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:46,168
Larry Bakman, on behalf of Archie Dixon.
650
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:48,253
For the State of Ohio, I'm Dan Mentzer.
651
00:34:48,337 --> 00:34:50,880
Mr. Bakman, you may proceed
with your opening statement.
652
00:34:50,964 --> 00:34:55,803
Thank you. May it please the court,
this is an appeal
653
00:34:55,886 --> 00:34:59,973
premised upon a violation of
my client's Fifth Amendment rights
654
00:35:00,057 --> 00:35:03,435
and Sixth Amendment rights.
Those violations occurred
655
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,563
because of game playing
on the part of law enforcement.
656
00:35:06,647 --> 00:35:11,443
They failed to give Miranda,
and they questioned my client.
657
00:35:11,527 --> 00:35:14,530
And they get a confession
because they told him,
658
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:20,619
the first to get on the bus between you
and your co-conspirator gets the deal.
659
00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:26,166
That is the very essence
of an involuntary statement
660
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:29,086
in violation of both
my client's Fifth Amendment right
661
00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:30,796
against self-incrimination,
662
00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:36,677
and to disregard, to ignore
his Sixth Amendment right for counsel,
663
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,847
would be to ignore the protection
664
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,559
that Miranda was designed to include.
665
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:46,854
This court should reverse
the sentence of death,
666
00:35:46,937 --> 00:35:51,441
and find that my client's confession
should've been thrown out
667
00:35:51,525 --> 00:35:56,071
by the lower court
because it was involuntary and coerced.
668
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:57,739
Submitted.
669
00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:00,659
Thank you, Mr. Bakman.
Mr. Mentzer, your statement, please.
670
00:36:00,742 --> 00:36:03,078
Thank you, Your Honor.
The detectives in this case
671
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,330
solved the murder of Christopher Hammer.
672
00:36:05,414 --> 00:36:09,501
And they did so by using basic
and time-honored techniques.
673
00:36:09,585 --> 00:36:14,089
They brought him in and
Detective Kulakoski took a chance.
674
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:18,135
Because he knew that if he was
able to obtain a statement
675
00:36:18,218 --> 00:36:20,679
on that first encounter
on November 9th,
676
00:36:20,762 --> 00:36:23,891
any inculpatory statement,
he wouldn't be able to use.
677
00:36:23,974 --> 00:36:26,685
But he got lucky because Archie Dixon
678
00:36:26,768 --> 00:36:29,646
denied having anything to do
with the crime.
679
00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:33,734
Now, Archie Dixon came to them
later on that evening
680
00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:37,154
and said, I heard you spoke
with my friend, I want to talk to you.
681
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:41,867
Because I want to be where I believe
Tim Hoffner is, and that's out of jail.
682
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:44,202
That's how we know the statement
was voluntary.
683
00:36:44,286 --> 00:36:46,663
Because he had something to gain.
684
00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:50,083
It was in his best interest
to make that confession.
685
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:53,795
There's nothing about
what the detectives in this case did
686
00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,548
that was anything
other than solid police work.
687
00:36:56,632 --> 00:36:59,635
And we have a very dangerous man
who is now on death row.
688
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:03,305
And we believe that this court
should uphold the conviction.
689
00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:04,723
Thank you.
690
00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:07,476
Thank you very much.
We're gonna retire to deliberate.
691
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,566
We are not a unanimous court.
692
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:18,820
Judge Acker and I are in the majority
and I will give the majority opinion.
693
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:24,493
The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution
guarantees that no person
694
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:27,663
while in police custody
may be interrogated
695
00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:31,583
without first being advised
of their right to remain silent
696
00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:33,251
and their right to a lawyer.
697
00:37:33,335 --> 00:37:36,421
On November 9th,
during the first interrogation,
698
00:37:36,505 --> 00:37:40,175
detectives failed
to administer Miranda warnings
699
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:45,013
for fear Mr. Dixon would exercise
his right to remain silent
700
00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:48,725
or ask for a lawyer.
During the second interrogation,
701
00:37:48,809 --> 00:37:52,062
Mr. Dixon was read his Miranda warnings
and confessed.
702
00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:55,983
The decision by police
to interrogate Mr. Dixon
703
00:37:56,066 --> 00:38:00,654
in this manner
violated his constitutional rights
704
00:38:00,737 --> 00:38:03,532
and therefore, must be suppressed.
705
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:07,744
For those reasons,
Mr. Dixon's conviction is reversed,
706
00:38:07,828 --> 00:38:10,414
his death sentence vacated,
707
00:38:10,497 --> 00:38:13,667
and the case is remanded
to the state court,
708
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:17,379
which has 180 days to retry him.
709
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,424
But his confession is excluded.
710
00:38:23,885 --> 00:38:27,431
We know that Archie Dixon
brutally murdered Chris Hammer.
711
00:38:27,514 --> 00:38:31,435
But because of one questionable decision
by a detective,
712
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:33,562
a killer was set free.
713
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,940
What do you think? Is that justice?
714
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:40,944
On the one hand, we have to protect abuse
against law enforcement.
715
00:38:41,028 --> 00:38:45,574
But should a legal technicality
let a murderer escape prosecution?
55472
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