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- [Man] May it please
The court counsel.
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Members of the jury.
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Over the next week,
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the evidence presented to
you will show you many things
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and take you into
areas of Bismarck
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that many of us, you
don't even know exist.
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I expect the evidence
will show you
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that a portion of
society of Bismarck
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is not the rural, safe,
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hardworking society that
many of us think we live in.
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There's a portion of our
community that is somewhat
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of a subculture.
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Drinking alcohol, taking
drugs is the order of the day.
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The society within our
society has many things,
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things that we cannot
understand or comprehend.
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- [Reporter] Bismarck
authorities won't say
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where Gordon and Barbara
Erickstad were murdered.
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However, investigators
combed their yard
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looking for evidence.
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Blood stains can even
be seen on the driveway.
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Police have gathered
enough clues on the scene
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to link the murder
to two suspects.
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Brian Erickstad,
Erickstad's adopted son
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is six feet tall, 155 pounds,
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blondish-brown
hair and blue eyes.
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Robert Lawrence is five foot 11,
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175 pounds brown
hair and hazel eyes.
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Burleigh County state's
attorney Patricia Burke
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says these two men
could be dangerous.
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- [Narrator] On the morning of
Friday, September 18th, 1998,
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a 17 year old girl
named Amy Warner
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walked into the police station
in Bismarck, North Dakota.
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The young girl said she was
worried that her boyfriend,
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18 year old Brian Erickstad,
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might have hurt his parents.
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The girl handed the police
officer a small scrap of paper
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and said, here,
here's their number.
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You should try calling them.
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- [Man] Because nobody could
get in touch with these folks,
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we'd head on down
there, so we did.
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Me, another sergeant
and two patrolmen,
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- My name's Bob Haas.
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I'm a retired police officer
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from Bismarck Police Department.
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We were told that the mother
worked for Kirkwood SuperValu,
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and the father was
at North Dakota
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National Guard
Aviation facility.
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We tried contacting
both of the employers
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and both of them indicated
that they hadn't heard
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from the people for awhile.
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And they too were concerned.
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So we decided that
we would go over
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the boyfriend Brian
was known to us.
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We'd already had some
dealings with him that summer.
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He'd been arrested
for some drug offenses
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and been placed in jail.
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And his father had come
down and bonded him out
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I think maybe three weeks
prior to this happening.
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When we got over there,
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it was basically what we
called a welfare check.
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Sergeant Holton and I looked
in the windows in the garage
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and we couldn't see
any vehicles in there.
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Kenen Kaizer and Mike Arnold
went around to the back
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to check in the
back of the house.
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There was a mess over
by the exterior door,
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the door in between the
house and the garage.
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There was a carpet
that was all balled up
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at the base of the
garage door there.
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It looked to me like there
was blood on the freezer.
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- [Narrator]
Detective Haas called
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the state's attorney's office
and received permission
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to enter the home based
on exigent circumstances.
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- [Haas] Sergeant Horton and I
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opened up the storm door and
right on the base down there,
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you could see there
was blood smears,
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and we could see
blood on the carpet
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on the stairs going up.
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And we're yelling police, if
you're in here show yourself.
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Let us know where you're at.
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- [Narrator] Meanwhile, back
at the police department,
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Detective Steve Lundeen
was interviewing
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the 17 year old
girl, Amy Warner.
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Amy Warner explained that her
boyfriend, Brian Erickstad,
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had moved in with
her two days earlier
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into her family's
house on the corner
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of East Sweet Avenue and
South Seventh Street,
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next to A&B pizza.
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She lived there with her
mom, her mom's boyfriend,
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her brother and her two sisters.
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Her sister's boyfriend, 27
year old Robert Lawrence,
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also lived there with them.
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Amy said that all day
yesterday, Thursday,
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her boyfriend, Brian, and her
sister's boyfriend Robert,
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had been driving around town
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in a brand new pickup truck.
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The truck belonged
to Brian's parents.
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And she didn't think that they
would just let him borrow it.
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Oh, and another thing she said.
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Last night, my mother's
boyfriend , Weasel,
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he told me that
Brian had asked him
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how much jail time he
would get for murder.
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When's the last time you
saw Brian and Robert,
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the detective asked her.
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Amy said that the last time
she had seen them was yesterday
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at 5:00 PM in Mandan
by the Heart River
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at their favorite swimming hole,
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a place they called the Rapids.
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- [Haas] We go upstairs
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and we looked into
the living room
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and it was just ransacked.
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There was stuff thrown
all over the place.
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In the middle of the hallway
there was a big pool of blood.
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We go down a little bit further,
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and we look into the
bedroom to the left
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and that's pretty
much, it's well kept.
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There's no issues there.
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We looked to the
one on the right.
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We can see a big pool
of blood on the carpet.
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This bedroom has
just absolutely,
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it's like an explosion
went off in there.
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The mattresses are thrown
up against the wall.
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There's paperwork and stuff
all strewn all over the place,
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individual pieces of
jewelry and stuff like that.
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Just everything is just
thrown all over the place.
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When we went into the kitchen
and we looked under the sink,
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low and behold, what do we find?
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I think there was three knives
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in the kitchen in the sink.
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One of the knives,
the blade was broken.
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- [Narrator] The
detectives exited the home
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until a search warrant
could be produced.
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Once that happened,
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the coroner took a
walk through the home.
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He walked in and he looked
and he came out and he said
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that he would have
severe concern
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for the wellbeing of the people
that were involved in this.
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The amount of blood that
was there in the scene,
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he just didn't think
anybody could survive that.
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- [Reporter] Trisha Burke
says Erickstad and Lawrence
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murdered Gordon and
Barbara here at their home.
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But when investigators
arrived yesterday,
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the bodies were not here.
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- [Man] In all my years on
the streets of Bismarck,
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I never lost a lot of sleep,
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other than a handful of times,
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I lost some sleep during
this investigation.
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- I'm Lloyd Halvorson,
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currently the vice president
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for academic and student affairs
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at Lake Region State College
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in Devil's Lake, North Dakota.
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I worked for Bismarck Police
Department from 1992 until 2002
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Friday morning I get
called into work.
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My investigative commander
and other higher ups
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at the police department,
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they started to tell
me what they knew.
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They told me who they
suspected was involved,
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Robert Lawrence and
Brian Erickstad.
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I knew immediately
where to look.
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I knew that that
address was going to be
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crucial to the investigation.
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I dealt with the family a lot.
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And every time that there was
a crime in the neighborhood,
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anywhere right around there,
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that's kind of became the focus.
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These kids were basically
provided with a location
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to drink and do drugs,
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commit crime without
any consequences.
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People were allowed to hide
from authorities there.
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There was a exit door
near Ryan's bedroom.
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You could just
sneak out at will.
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I think there was
a lot of people
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coming and going in
and out that door.
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And I had been there
on Thursday afternoon,
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arresting two runaways.
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And when I was in
one of the bedrooms
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where one of the
runaways was hiding,
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I had seen a bloody shirt,
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and I relayed that right
away to the commanders.
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And I said we got to
get back to that house.
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- [Narrator] Detective
Halvorson was assigned
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to return to the house
on East Sweet Avenue
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to find out what anyone there
might know about this event.
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The first person he interviewed
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was Amy's brother, Ryan Warner.
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- [Halvorson] Ryan
was largely defiant
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the first time I
interviewed him.
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I talked to him, he wasn't
willing to tell on his friends.
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He was very adamant he was
not going to say anything.
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I sat him out in the lobby area
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of our investigative
unit in a chair,
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said, okay, I'm going
to visit with your mom
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for a bit, just hang tight.
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And ultimately he
just got up and left.
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Detective Halvorson
returned to the house
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on East Sweet Avenue
and got permission
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from Amy Warner's mother, Pam,
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to search the house
for a bloody shirt.
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While there Amy's brother,
Ryan, walked into the residence.
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- Ryan asked if we had found
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what we were looking for yet.
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And I had told him
that we hadn't.
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He led me down to his room.
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And behind a chair pulled
out a Dan's Suoermarket bag
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that had some bloody
clothes in it.
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And I knew this was
a really big piece.
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So I bring Ryan and Pam back
down to the police department.
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We decided we need to
talk at a greater length
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about what Ryan knew
and who told him what.
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It sounded like
for the most part
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Ryan had received a
lot of information
from Robert Lawrence.
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Robert had disclosed
most of what happened.
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- [Narrator] What
happened according to Ryan
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was that Robert Lawrence
and Brian Erickstad
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had woken him up at 5:00
AM two nights earlier.
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Outside in the parking
lot of A&B Pizza
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was a brand new pickup.
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Robert told Ryan smells
like death, doesn't it?
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We killed Brian's parents.
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You're coming with us
to dump the stiffs.
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They're in the
back of the truck.
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Ryan Warner told him that
he couldn't go with them
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because he had to go to
school in the morning.
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And so he went back
inside and went to sleep.
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Ryan Warner told
Detective Halvorson
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that nobody left with
Robert and Brian.
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Nobody had helped them,
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but at least 12 people had
knowledge of the homicides.
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- When they left the bodies
in the back of the truck
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did anybody else go with them?
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- Not that I know of.
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- Who else had knowledge
about what happened?
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- There's like 12 people that--
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- There's a lot of
people that know.
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- How many is a lot?
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- Twelve.
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- And they are?
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Will you tell me their names?
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- [Ryan] Me, Robert, Brian,
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Aimee, Michelle, Candy,
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Weasel, Rick, D.J.,
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Bill, Kristi.
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- [Halvorson] As the
interview went on,
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I got the impression though
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that Ryan may have actually
been at the residence.
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and perhaps others.
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And that's what I really
wanted to get to the bottom of.
250
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He did not want to go there.
251
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And as the interview
progressed, he got more nervous.
252
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He got more agitated, just
really moving his hands.
253
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And I could tell I
was onto something.
254
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I could tell that he knew
more than he was letting on.
255
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It wasn't just about
what he was told.
256
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It's what he knew to be true.
257
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- [Ryan] Then they
left about one o'clock.
258
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They went down there.
259
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They did it, they came
back to the house.
260
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They wanted me to go
with them to dump them.
261
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- And that was when?
262
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- About 5:30.
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And then after that,
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Misty,
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I don't think
she's down in this.
266
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- Nope, we got to
put Misty on there.
267
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- Misty came over to the house.
268
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She was spending the night
and she found out about it.
269
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She found out about it
270
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and she wanted to
drive by down there.
271
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- 'Cause that was at what time?
272
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- It was after 5:30,
273
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'cause Robert and Brian
were nowhere in sight.
274
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- Okay, so then what?
275
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- So we just drove down there.
276
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- You and Misty?
277
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You said Brian and
Robert were with you.
278
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- I was lying.
279
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- You didn't want to
get Misty in trouble?
280
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- She didn't do nothing wrong.
281
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- You didn't want
to get her involved?
282
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Who is Misty?
283
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- Misty Jones.
284
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- He ultimately did
confess, I guess,
285
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to being at the residence
286
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and that he was
driven there by Misty.
287
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Misty was somewhat unknown
to me at this point.
288
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I had heard her name before,
289
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but I had zero expectation
290
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that she was involved to
the degree she was involved.
291
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- [Reporter] Authorities
believe Erickstad and Lawrence
292
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dumped the bodies 52
miles south of Bismarck
293
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off of Highway 6.
294
00:14:25,931 --> 00:14:28,310
Authorities found the
couple's bodies in this field
295
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around eight o'clock last night,
296
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adding another crime
scene to the list.
297
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- [Halvorson] If you
want to get to the truth,
298
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you have to be really patient.
299
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I thought Steve Lundin
did great with Misty,
300
00:14:45,137 --> 00:14:49,724
getting her to a place where
she finally told the truth.
301
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He knew she was stalling.
302
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He knew she had the information,
303
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but he didn't push her.
304
00:15:00,896 --> 00:15:03,448
He played on her heart
strings a little bit.
305
00:15:03,551 --> 00:15:06,137
He talked about her
loyalties a little bit.
306
00:15:06,241 --> 00:15:08,034
And ultimately he got
her to give it up,
307
00:15:08,137 --> 00:15:09,931
but it took a long time.
308
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And that was patience.
309
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He back her into a corner
she'll come out swinging.
310
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- I need to know what
you might have overheard
311
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or what you saw.
312
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[woman talking]
313
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- Is that what
you're getting at?
314
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- Well, the information I
have is that number one,
315
00:15:32,034 --> 00:15:33,931
you were told everything
that happened in that house.
316
00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:37,068
And number two, you
even looked in the house
317
00:15:38,931 --> 00:15:41,896
and saw what, the
aftermath of what happened.
318
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And it's not too late.
319
00:15:45,206 --> 00:15:46,310
You don't want to have to worry
320
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that I'm going to
get you in trouble.
321
00:15:47,241 --> 00:15:48,241
- Can I leave now?
322
00:15:49,655 --> 00:15:51,068
Please?
323
00:15:51,172 --> 00:15:53,793
- Misty, come here, honey.
324
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Misty, come here, honey.
325
00:15:55,931 --> 00:15:56,793
- Misty?
326
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- [Mom] Come here, it's okay.
327
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- [Narrator] It turned
out that Misty Jones
328
00:16:05,931 --> 00:16:09,103
not only drove Robert and
Brian to the Erickstad home,
329
00:16:09,206 --> 00:16:10,724
she had been in the house,
330
00:16:10,827 --> 00:16:12,827
witnessed part of the murders,
331
00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:16,827
and she had also helped
them dump the bodies.
332
00:16:16,931 --> 00:16:18,103
- [Halvorson] She
ultimately described
333
00:16:18,206 --> 00:16:21,275
where they dumped the bodies,
334
00:16:21,379 --> 00:16:23,482
about 50 miles south of Mandan,
335
00:16:23,586 --> 00:16:26,655
in a tree row near Selfridge.
336
00:16:26,758 --> 00:16:28,862
That was the break we needed.
337
00:16:28,965 --> 00:16:31,793
We might not find those
bodies for a long time.
338
00:16:33,517 --> 00:16:35,482
There's a lot of
things about this job
339
00:16:37,827 --> 00:16:41,000
that a person doesn't
want to relive,
340
00:16:41,103 --> 00:16:44,103
that they don't want
to take with them,
341
00:16:44,206 --> 00:16:46,000
that they would
just as soon forget
342
00:16:46,103 --> 00:16:47,620
or be able to put behind them.
343
00:16:48,965 --> 00:16:50,379
This was one of them.
344
00:16:50,482 --> 00:16:54,275
What happened to Barbara
and Gordon Erickstad
345
00:16:54,379 --> 00:16:58,172
was brutal beyond imagination.
346
00:16:59,827 --> 00:17:03,448
And then to be so
callously discarded.
347
00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:05,517
And the reasons,
348
00:17:06,862 --> 00:17:08,000
no reason here.
349
00:17:10,448 --> 00:17:15,034
There was no justification
for doing something like this.
350
00:17:17,965 --> 00:17:21,793
I wasn't even sure I
wanted to open it back up.
351
00:17:21,896 --> 00:17:24,206
And I think when you sent
me the police reports
352
00:17:25,724 --> 00:17:28,310
and you sent me interviews,
videos and things like that,
353
00:17:30,620 --> 00:17:34,482
I think it took me over two
weeks to open the first document
354
00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:36,000
and to view the first video.
355
00:17:38,931 --> 00:17:40,689
- [Haas] My lieutenant
contacts me.
356
00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:43,551
And he says he was
sending somebody over
357
00:17:45,034 --> 00:17:47,448
to 45 Laredo, 'cause this
is where it happened at.
358
00:17:47,551 --> 00:17:51,172
And he wants me to jump
in a car with this guy
359
00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:53,482
and we're to head
down to Selfridge
360
00:17:53,586 --> 00:17:56,000
because the
information that we got
361
00:17:56,103 --> 00:17:58,379
from one of the people
that was involved
362
00:17:58,482 --> 00:18:01,275
in this whole thing
and knew explicitly
363
00:18:01,379 --> 00:18:02,827
what had happened,
364
00:18:02,931 --> 00:18:07,517
had told him that Barbara
and Gordon had been killed
365
00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:08,965
and their bodies had been dumped
366
00:18:09,068 --> 00:18:11,896
on a tree row down by
Selfridge, North Dakota.
367
00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:15,448
- [Halvorson] I remember
my lieutenant telling me,
368
00:18:15,551 --> 00:18:17,344
get ready to go
down to Selfridge,
369
00:18:17,448 --> 00:18:19,068
get ahold of Detective Becker,
370
00:18:19,172 --> 00:18:20,586
get those people back here,
371
00:18:20,689 --> 00:18:23,482
tell the chopper to refuel,
get ahold of the coroner,
372
00:18:23,586 --> 00:18:25,310
get a hold of the
sheriff of Sioux County
373
00:18:25,413 --> 00:18:27,172
and tell them we're coming.
374
00:18:27,275 --> 00:18:29,379
I wrote up a quick little script
375
00:18:29,482 --> 00:18:32,310
for our office
manager D Tremble.
376
00:18:32,413 --> 00:18:34,344
And I said will you call
the sheriff of Sioux County
377
00:18:34,448 --> 00:18:36,689
and tell them that
about a dozen units
378
00:18:36,793 --> 00:18:38,482
from the Bismarck
police department,
379
00:18:38,586 --> 00:18:40,551
an equipment truck, generators,
380
00:18:40,655 --> 00:18:43,103
and a helicopter are on
their way south of Mandan
381
00:18:45,275 --> 00:18:49,724
to try to find a couple of
bodies that were dumped there.
382
00:18:49,827 --> 00:18:51,793
Tell them we're investigating
a double homicide
383
00:18:51,896 --> 00:18:53,482
that happened the
last couple of days.
384
00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:56,655
And so she started in
on this with the sheriff
385
00:18:56,758 --> 00:18:57,620
and he thought it was a joke.
386
00:18:57,724 --> 00:18:59,275
He thought it was a prank call.
387
00:19:01,103 --> 00:19:02,517
- Troy Shaner, I
believe it was Troy,
388
00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:04,827
came and picked me up and
we headed on down there
389
00:19:04,931 --> 00:19:06,551
and it's starting
to get dark now
390
00:19:06,655 --> 00:19:09,758
because it's getting late
in the year and stuff.
391
00:19:09,862 --> 00:19:11,344
And we got down
there about the time
392
00:19:11,448 --> 00:19:13,482
that the sun was going down
393
00:19:13,586 --> 00:19:15,482
and we weren't sure if
we were going to be able
394
00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:16,482
to locate them.
395
00:19:18,103 --> 00:19:19,551
Well, BIA had the
road blocked off
396
00:19:19,655 --> 00:19:21,448
and they had lights going
and all this other stuff.
397
00:19:21,551 --> 00:19:23,724
We had to show them
our identification
398
00:19:23,827 --> 00:19:25,034
and tell them who we were.
399
00:19:25,137 --> 00:19:27,379
And then we had to sign
in on a crime scene log.
400
00:19:27,482 --> 00:19:30,724
They pointed us to
over to the tree row
401
00:19:30,827 --> 00:19:33,068
and they're in the tree row
402
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,379
was Mr. Erickstad
laying on his back,
403
00:19:36,482 --> 00:19:40,275
and Mrs. Erickstad was laid down
404
00:19:40,379 --> 00:19:42,931
with her head on his stomach
405
00:19:44,068 --> 00:19:46,310
and her legs were
bent underneath her.
406
00:19:50,482 --> 00:19:51,724
- -[Halvorson] This
is a crime scene
407
00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:55,379
that I've relived
many, many times.
408
00:19:55,482 --> 00:19:57,931
It's something that
a lot of officers,
409
00:19:58,034 --> 00:20:01,586
a lot of detectives
won't ever witness.
410
00:20:03,724 --> 00:20:06,206
I was assigned as
the photographer.
411
00:20:08,068 --> 00:20:12,551
And it was photographs that
I can still see to this day,
412
00:20:13,896 --> 00:20:17,862
things I would wish
nobody to have to see.
413
00:20:19,241 --> 00:20:21,862
- [Haas] I don't want to
sound crass and unemotional,
414
00:20:23,344 --> 00:20:26,517
but we get, I guess,
from what we do,
415
00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:29,034
we kind of get conditioned
to some of that stuff.
416
00:20:30,275 --> 00:20:31,620
And it's terrible.
417
00:20:31,724 --> 00:20:35,103
And it sets you back
for just a second.
418
00:20:35,206 --> 00:20:36,758
But in the same regard,
419
00:20:36,862 --> 00:20:40,103
looking at them and looking
what has been done to them,
420
00:20:40,206 --> 00:20:42,620
you want to get
them some justice.
421
00:20:42,724 --> 00:20:44,896
You want to get the
family some justice too.
422
00:20:46,137 --> 00:20:48,689
So you have to put
your emotions aside.
423
00:20:50,931 --> 00:20:54,517
If you can't do it, basically,
you tell them I can't do it.
424
00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:56,517
Then you step aside because
you don't want to mess
425
00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:58,344
something of this stature up.
426
00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:01,620
You're looking for things
that's going to tie it in
427
00:21:01,724 --> 00:21:04,931
from this scene to the
scene that we were just at.
428
00:21:05,034 --> 00:21:06,482
You got to push on,
429
00:21:06,586 --> 00:21:09,758
because if you don't, you're
worthless, you can't do it.
430
00:21:09,862 --> 00:21:10,965
You can't do it anymore.
431
00:21:11,068 --> 00:21:13,172
And you might as well
just get out of it.
432
00:21:15,413 --> 00:21:17,655
We've got to get some
sleep because the next day
433
00:21:17,758 --> 00:21:20,482
we're going to be out at six
o'clock in the morning again,
434
00:21:20,586 --> 00:21:22,379
trying to run down leads,
435
00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:24,068
we're talking to witnesses.
436
00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:27,206
We're going through
the crime scene again,
437
00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:30,551
tabulating things, we're
putting stuff into evidence
438
00:21:30,655 --> 00:21:32,034
and it's an ongoing process.
439
00:21:32,137 --> 00:21:36,344
And now that we have located
Mr. and Mrs. Erickstad,
440
00:21:36,448 --> 00:21:39,206
we know that there's
going to be an autopsy.
441
00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:41,275
- [Reporter] Bismarck police
lieutenant, Myron Hinley,
442
00:21:41,379 --> 00:21:43,068
says the numerous crime scenes,
443
00:21:43,172 --> 00:21:45,344
Ericstads' home, the
field and this car
444
00:21:45,448 --> 00:21:47,275
that was found near West Fargo
445
00:21:47,379 --> 00:21:50,034
will all help investigators
fill in the blanks.
446
00:21:50,137 --> 00:21:52,172
Most of the evidence
has been gathered.
447
00:21:52,275 --> 00:21:54,827
However, the two murderers
are still on the loose,
448
00:21:54,931 --> 00:21:56,827
but they have received
a number of tips
449
00:21:56,931 --> 00:21:59,896
on where the two
murderers could be headed.
450
00:22:11,655 --> 00:22:13,862
- [Halvorson] I can't say
with any degree of certainty
451
00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:15,724
exactly what happened.
452
00:22:15,827 --> 00:22:18,068
I do know that at some point,
453
00:22:18,172 --> 00:22:22,793
Robert Lawrence, Brian
Erickstad and Misty Jones--
454
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:25,551
- [Haas] They go over to
Rick Storhogg's place.
455
00:22:25,655 --> 00:22:27,793
Try to get him to
come with them.
456
00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:30,241
He doesn't answer the
knocks on the windows
457
00:22:30,344 --> 00:22:31,551
and stuff like that.
458
00:22:31,655 --> 00:22:33,586
- [Havorston] I'm still
a little bit uncertain
459
00:22:33,689 --> 00:22:37,344
about Misty's boyfriend
Rick and his role.
460
00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:42,275
But he's one I never
really felt we got
461
00:22:42,379 --> 00:22:43,482
the full truth out of.
462
00:22:44,793 --> 00:22:48,241
I need you to remember
what you heard.
463
00:22:49,517 --> 00:22:50,655
And I need you to remember
464
00:22:50,758 --> 00:22:51,965
who you heard it from
and what they said
465
00:22:52,068 --> 00:22:54,172
because this is crucial.
466
00:22:54,275 --> 00:22:56,310
Like you said, this,
467
00:22:56,413 --> 00:22:58,551
this isn't like any everyday
conversation, you know,
468
00:22:58,655 --> 00:23:00,482
I just can't buy that
you can't remember
469
00:23:00,586 --> 00:23:02,137
what you've heard yet.
470
00:23:02,241 --> 00:23:03,620
- What I've heard from who?
471
00:23:05,103 --> 00:23:09,448
- This is not going to happen
to you in your lifetime again.
472
00:23:11,034 --> 00:23:13,551
That somebody you
know is involved in
killing their parents.
473
00:23:13,655 --> 00:23:14,758
- I don't remember
who told me stuff.
474
00:23:14,862 --> 00:23:16,172
I know somebody told
me that Ryan was there.
475
00:23:16,275 --> 00:23:17,413
I don't remember who it was.
476
00:23:17,517 --> 00:23:18,689
It could've been DJ,
could've been Buddy,
477
00:23:18,793 --> 00:23:19,931
could've been Kristi,
could've been Candy,
478
00:23:20,034 --> 00:23:21,413
It could've been Aimee,
could've been Michelle.
479
00:23:21,517 --> 00:23:24,000
God knows who it was, 'cause
I talked to everybody.
480
00:23:24,103 --> 00:23:25,448
People have been calling
me up on the phone,
481
00:23:25,551 --> 00:23:28,620
people that I haven't talked
to for like six months
482
00:23:28,724 --> 00:23:29,758
called me up and told me
that they heard stuff.
483
00:23:31,724 --> 00:23:33,344
- That's always
been my contention.
484
00:23:33,448 --> 00:23:35,413
And I guess I can't
really prove it.
485
00:23:35,517 --> 00:23:37,862
But Rick Storhogg knew
what was gonna happen.
486
00:23:39,655 --> 00:23:41,413
And he was supposed to
be that third person
487
00:23:41,517 --> 00:23:45,379
that was going down to Laredo
on the night that it happened.
488
00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:50,620
I think better judgment
got ahold of him.
489
00:23:50,724 --> 00:23:53,206
And he decided I'm not going.
490
00:23:54,379 --> 00:23:56,413
I think Misty ended up
filling in for Rick.
491
00:23:56,517 --> 00:23:57,965
He knew what was going on.
492
00:23:58,068 --> 00:24:00,034
And as I think this whole thing
493
00:24:00,137 --> 00:24:04,551
could have been prevented
if he just opened his mouth.
494
00:24:04,655 --> 00:24:08,034
But he didn't and I don't
know what allegiance
495
00:24:08,137 --> 00:24:10,620
he feels that he
owes to these guys.
496
00:24:10,724 --> 00:24:12,034
But you know,
497
00:24:12,137 --> 00:24:14,172
two people ended up
losing their lives
498
00:24:14,275 --> 00:24:16,482
over him keeping his mouth shut.
499
00:24:16,586 --> 00:24:18,000
- [Halvorson] Robert Lawrence,
500
00:24:18,103 --> 00:24:21,206
Brian Erickstad and Misty Jones
501
00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:24,000
arrived at the Erickstad
residence on Loredo.
502
00:24:24,103 --> 00:24:25,862
- [Haas] They go
into the garage.
503
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:28,172
And from what I understand,
504
00:24:28,275 --> 00:24:30,068
Brian and Robert
sit down and discuss
505
00:24:30,172 --> 00:24:32,241
how this is all gonna go down.
506
00:24:32,344 --> 00:24:34,344
- [Halvorson] Brian
and Robert went in,
507
00:24:34,448 --> 00:24:37,448
stabbed both of them to death.
508
00:24:38,655 --> 00:24:41,034
At some point, Misty
went into the house.
509
00:24:42,206 --> 00:24:45,689
She says, well, Barbara
was still alive.
510
00:24:47,172 --> 00:24:51,172
She apologized to Barbara for
what was happening to her.
511
00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:54,344
At which time she was
chewed out by Brian
512
00:25:10,103 --> 00:25:12,931
- [Haas] After the murders,
513
00:25:14,068 --> 00:25:16,517
they go downstairs and
they remove the blankets
514
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:18,206
from a couple of bunk beds
515
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:19,931
to wrap the bodies up.
516
00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:22,551
- [Halvorson] They loaded
the bodies in the pickup.
517
00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:27,241
Misty went back to the Warner
residence, picked up Ryan,
518
00:25:27,344 --> 00:25:29,448
brought him down to the house.
519
00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:31,689
Ryan says he looked in the door.
520
00:25:31,793 --> 00:25:33,068
He could see all the blood.
521
00:25:33,172 --> 00:25:35,413
Brian and Robert
were already gone.
522
00:25:35,517 --> 00:25:38,448
He went back to the
residence, 701 East Sweet.
523
00:25:38,551 --> 00:25:40,413
- [Haas] And they
take the pickup.
524
00:25:40,517 --> 00:25:42,724
They go over to 701 East Sweet.
525
00:25:42,827 --> 00:25:45,620
- [Halvorson] Robert and Brian
pulled up to the residence.
526
00:25:47,586 --> 00:25:50,344
They wanted Ryan to go
with to dump the bodies.
527
00:25:51,896 --> 00:25:53,310
Ryan declined.
528
00:25:53,413 --> 00:25:55,137
They left with Misty.
529
00:25:55,241 --> 00:25:57,034
- [Haas] Robert
and Misty and Brian
530
00:25:57,137 --> 00:26:01,137
go down to Selfridge to
dispose of the bodies.
531
00:26:02,551 --> 00:26:05,344
- [Halvorson] Headed down to
Selfridge, near Selfridge,
532
00:26:05,448 --> 00:26:07,586
where they dumped the
bodies in a tree row.
533
00:26:13,931 --> 00:26:14,931
That's what I know.
534
00:26:16,655 --> 00:26:18,275
- [Narrator] Five days
after the murders,
535
00:26:18,379 --> 00:26:21,689
Robert Lawrence and
Brian Erickstad were
arrested in Texas.
536
00:26:21,793 --> 00:26:23,689
They were brought
back to North Dakota
537
00:26:24,965 --> 00:26:27,068
and were tried and
convicted a year later.
538
00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,793
- [Haas] Nobody has
really conclusively said.
539
00:26:30,896 --> 00:26:33,379
And it still to
this day baffles me.
540
00:26:34,482 --> 00:26:37,275
There's been other
stuff that I've worked.
541
00:26:37,379 --> 00:26:39,275
You know, you
shake your head at,
542
00:26:39,379 --> 00:26:42,482
but at least they'll
give you a reason on why.
543
00:26:42,586 --> 00:26:44,241
There's never been a reason.
544
00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:48,551
And I would welcome
somebody telling me.
545
00:26:57,275 --> 00:26:59,310
- [Narrator] Despite the
vicious reality of the crime,
546
00:26:59,413 --> 00:27:02,344
Robert and Brian's friends
continued to support them.
547
00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:04,379
One journalist who
attended the trial
548
00:27:04,482 --> 00:27:06,896
berated the young followers
for their attitudes,
549
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,068
and quote "smirks
on their faces."
550
00:27:10,172 --> 00:27:12,551
- Now that I kind
of look back at it,
551
00:27:12,655 --> 00:27:13,793
how could you classify it
552
00:27:13,896 --> 00:27:16,896
as maybe kind of
Charles Mansonisque.
553
00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:20,689
Two people died, they
died a horrendous death.
554
00:27:20,793 --> 00:27:23,344
They should have never had
been subjected to that.
555
00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:26,344
And yet we've got
these kids, I guess,
556
00:27:26,448 --> 00:27:28,034
for lack of better term,
557
00:27:28,137 --> 00:27:31,068
are idolizing the people
that did it to them.
558
00:27:31,172 --> 00:27:32,413
- Two weeks after the arrest,
559
00:27:32,517 --> 00:27:34,724
Robert and Brian's girlfriends,
Aimee and Michelle,
560
00:27:34,827 --> 00:27:36,896
agreed to a newspaper interview.
561
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
They posed proudly
for photographs
562
00:27:39,103 --> 00:27:41,448
and seemed to be
enjoying the attention.
563
00:27:41,551 --> 00:27:42,758
They both said that they wished
564
00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:44,724
they had run off with
Robert and Brian,
565
00:27:44,827 --> 00:27:46,379
both said they would
love them forever.
566
00:27:46,482 --> 00:27:48,724
They were still planning
a future with them.
567
00:27:50,379 --> 00:27:52,413
But this newspaper
interview compared little
568
00:27:52,517 --> 00:27:54,379
to what happened
a few weeks later.
569
00:27:54,482 --> 00:27:56,448
Aimee Warner decided
she needed to break
570
00:27:56,551 --> 00:27:58,724
into the Erickstad
home on Loredo Drive
571
00:27:58,827 --> 00:28:01,206
where Barbara and Gordon
had been brutally murdered.
572
00:28:01,310 --> 00:28:03,344
It was still a crime
scene with police tape
573
00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:06,172
and do not enter plastered
all over the doors.
574
00:28:06,275 --> 00:28:08,655
And she didn't act alone.
575
00:28:08,758 --> 00:28:11,241
Her mother's boyfriend
and others helped her,
576
00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:12,206
What they didn't know was that
577
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:13,517
the Bismarck Police Department
578
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:16,275
had set up a portable
alarm in the house.
579
00:28:16,379 --> 00:28:17,896
- [Haas] The police
responded that night,
580
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,206
and they find I think Aimee
coming out of the house
581
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:23,551
or out of the garage
with stuff in her hand.
582
00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:24,827
They've got Weasel there.
583
00:28:24,931 --> 00:28:26,793
They've got Naomi
there, Kristi's there.
584
00:28:26,896 --> 00:28:29,206
I think they were just
coming out of the garage
585
00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,482
and Candy and Steve were
sitting in Steve's car
586
00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:33,965
and they're in the driveway.
587
00:28:34,068 --> 00:28:37,482
What's the purpose of
going back into the house?
588
00:28:37,586 --> 00:28:41,034
I don't know, but they all
ended up getting arrested.
589
00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:43,620
All the juveniles
ended up going to YCC.
590
00:28:43,724 --> 00:28:45,413
The males, the two adults,
591
00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:47,931
They ended up getting
charged with class B felonies
592
00:28:48,034 --> 00:28:49,689
and going to jail that night.
593
00:28:50,862 --> 00:28:52,862
I think it's a very
disrespectful act.
594
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,931
You knew what went on in there.
595
00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:57,517
There's no doubt in your mind.
596
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,517
Why do you need to
go back in there?
597
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:01,551
- [Narrator] I asked
both Lloyd Halvorson
598
00:29:01,655 --> 00:29:02,931
and Bob Haas for their thoughts
599
00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:05,551
on Misty Jones's role
in this sad event.
600
00:29:05,655 --> 00:29:08,793
Misty Jones had driven Brian
and Robert to the house,
601
00:29:08,896 --> 00:29:11,931
Misty who returned to get help
at the house on East Sweet.
602
00:29:12,034 --> 00:29:15,517
Misty Jones, who rode with
them to dump the bodies.
603
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,068
Misty was never
charged with anything
604
00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:18,758
in regards to these homicides.
605
00:29:18,862 --> 00:29:20,000
And she would later testify
606
00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:22,103
for the prosecution
at the trial.
607
00:29:25,448 --> 00:29:26,862
A lot of people ask me,
608
00:29:29,896 --> 00:29:34,241
do you think it's right
that only Robert and Brian
609
00:29:35,793 --> 00:29:38,655
were charged with
criminal activity
610
00:29:38,758 --> 00:29:40,620
regarding these homicides,
611
00:29:40,724 --> 00:29:44,275
and that the others really
suffered no consequence.
612
00:29:47,482 --> 00:29:52,068
I think the two people that
needed to be held accountable
613
00:29:53,206 --> 00:29:53,724
were held accountable.
614
00:29:55,137 --> 00:29:58,000
And I think these young
people will live with this
615
00:29:58,103 --> 00:29:59,275
for the rest of their life.
616
00:29:59,379 --> 00:30:01,965
And in some ways that's
consequence enough.
617
00:30:06,206 --> 00:30:07,344
- [Haas] Maybe I'm
going to get raked
618
00:30:07,448 --> 00:30:08,793
over the coals over this,
619
00:30:10,137 --> 00:30:11,344
but she had an opportunity.
620
00:30:11,448 --> 00:30:13,482
She could have done
just what Rick did.
621
00:30:13,586 --> 00:30:15,379
She could have walked away.
622
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,310
She could have gone
knocked on somebody's door
623
00:30:17,413 --> 00:30:18,689
saying call the police.
624
00:30:18,793 --> 00:30:21,344
You know, there's something
going on over here.
625
00:30:21,448 --> 00:30:22,689
We need the police.
626
00:30:22,793 --> 00:30:24,103
She did none of that.
627
00:30:25,206 --> 00:30:26,413
- [Narrator] Like Aimee
and Michelle Warner,
628
00:30:26,517 --> 00:30:29,034
Misty Jones continued to
support Brian and Robert
629
00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:30,965
for months after
they were arrested.
630
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:34,482
She wrote letters
to both of them
631
00:30:34,586 --> 00:30:36,172
while they were awaiting trial.
632
00:30:38,896 --> 00:30:40,827
Every letter was
littered with I love you.
633
00:30:40,931 --> 00:30:41,965
I'll love you forever.
634
00:30:42,068 --> 00:30:43,551
We'll always be connected.
635
00:30:43,655 --> 00:30:45,931
She told them that someday
she would have two sons.
636
00:30:46,034 --> 00:30:48,310
She would name one
Robert and one Brian.
637
00:30:50,931 --> 00:30:51,965
She also said Robert
and Brian didn't deserve
638
00:30:52,068 --> 00:30:54,413
what happened to them.
639
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:57,137
- [Halvorson] For
two months later,
640
00:30:57,241 --> 00:31:00,482
to say something
like that in a letter
641
00:31:00,586 --> 00:31:04,689
to the two people who put
her in this awful position
642
00:31:05,896 --> 00:31:07,655
and exposed her to
this awful crime,
643
00:31:09,172 --> 00:31:12,103
very surprised, very surprised.
644
00:31:15,379 --> 00:31:19,275
I would say, what's her
motivation for doing this?
645
00:31:20,482 --> 00:31:22,000
Why would she come
out and say that?
646
00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:26,137
He brutally murdered
two innocent people.
647
00:31:29,172 --> 00:31:31,206
- [Narrator] I asked Lloyd
Halvorson and Bob Haas,
648
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:34,103
if they would have any
questions for Misty Jones today,
649
00:31:36,344 --> 00:31:37,689
if I could find her somehow.
650
00:31:39,172 --> 00:31:41,448
- I dunno, when you called
and you talked to me
651
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:43,137
about doing a story,
652
00:31:43,241 --> 00:31:46,379
it was just, I have
yet to understand.
653
00:31:47,965 --> 00:31:51,689
I have my thoughts on
why they were killed,
654
00:31:51,793 --> 00:31:55,172
but nobody has really
conclusively said it.
655
00:31:55,275 --> 00:31:57,793
And it still to
this day baffles me.
656
00:31:57,896 --> 00:31:59,586
There's never been a reason.
657
00:32:01,068 --> 00:32:04,275
And I would welcome
somebody telling me.
658
00:32:04,379 --> 00:32:07,758
- The letters months later
to Brian or to Robert
659
00:32:07,862 --> 00:32:11,068
kind of reasserting
her loyalty to them,
660
00:32:11,172 --> 00:32:12,206
her love for them.
661
00:32:15,931 --> 00:32:19,241
I'd love to find out what
she was thinking at the time
662
00:32:20,758 --> 00:32:24,482
and how long it took
her to overcome that
663
00:32:25,413 --> 00:32:26,620
and to think differently.
664
00:32:27,689 --> 00:32:28,931
Or perhaps she doesn't.
665
00:32:30,172 --> 00:32:32,103
Perhaps she still
thinks to this day
666
00:32:35,137 --> 00:32:37,517
that the consequences imposed
667
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:40,965
on Robert and Brian were unjust.
668
00:32:43,931 --> 00:32:45,827
I'd be really
interested to know that.
669
00:33:06,793 --> 00:33:08,068
This is James.
670
00:33:08,172 --> 00:33:10,172
We just got done
interviewing Misty Jones,
671
00:33:11,034 --> 00:33:12,896
which is someone I didn't think
672
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,206
we were going to have an
opportunity to talk to.
673
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:19,758
Long interview and
I'm pretty tired,
674
00:33:21,206 --> 00:33:25,793
but she had some interesting
news that I wasn't expecting.
675
00:33:26,896 --> 00:33:28,034
And I wanted to tell you about.
676
00:33:28,137 --> 00:33:29,862
Apparently just in
the last week or so,
677
00:33:29,965 --> 00:33:32,103
she reached out
to Brian Erickstad
678
00:33:32,206 --> 00:33:34,448
in North Dakota
State Penitentiary.
679
00:33:36,241 --> 00:33:38,034
And somehow she has
gotten him to agree
680
00:33:38,137 --> 00:33:41,586
she says to speak with me.
681
00:33:41,689 --> 00:33:45,310
Apparently we will be
interviewing Brian Erickstad.
682
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:54,724
- [Narrator] Looking back,
683
00:33:54,827 --> 00:33:57,896
it was never part of my game
plan to interview Misty Jones.
684
00:33:59,724 --> 00:34:02,896
For one, I didn't think
I'd be able to find her.
685
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,034
I had the feeling she would
be one of those people
686
00:34:05,137 --> 00:34:07,793
laying low, still hidden
beneath an underbelly
687
00:34:07,896 --> 00:34:09,448
in some town somewhere.
688
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:12,413
One day though, I
received Misty's
689
00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:15,000
contact information
unexpectedly.
690
00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:17,724
After some initial
correspondence,
691
00:34:17,827 --> 00:34:19,586
Misty agreed to an interview,
692
00:34:19,689 --> 00:34:23,586
and I drove from western
North Dakota to Fargo.
693
00:34:23,689 --> 00:34:25,931
While driving along
interstate 94,
694
00:34:26,034 --> 00:34:28,827
I did a lot of thinking and
I passed a lot of landmarks
695
00:34:28,931 --> 00:34:31,034
related to this tragic crime.
696
00:34:33,034 --> 00:34:34,965
First came the
town of New Salem,
697
00:34:35,068 --> 00:34:37,103
with its giant statue of a cow,
698
00:34:37,206 --> 00:34:40,275
watching me from its
perch on a hilltop.
699
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:43,965
I recalled that Misty Jones
lived in New Salem in 1998.
700
00:34:44,068 --> 00:34:46,344
And that five days
after the murders,
701
00:34:46,448 --> 00:34:49,517
a Morton County Sheriff's
deputy drove to Misty's home
702
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:50,965
to retrieve some evidence,
703
00:34:51,068 --> 00:34:52,275
a small gas can.
704
00:34:53,965 --> 00:34:55,517
Just before the Missouri river,
705
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,689
I passed Mandan where Michelle
Warner and Robert Lawrence
706
00:34:58,793 --> 00:35:01,206
dump bloody blankets in JC park
707
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:02,620
near their favorite
swimming hole,
708
00:35:02,724 --> 00:35:05,275
a place they dumped the Rapids.
709
00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:07,655
Some of the East Sweet
kids went swimming there
710
00:35:07,758 --> 00:35:09,620
just a few hours
before the murders.
711
00:35:09,724 --> 00:35:10,793
And the next day,
712
00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:12,827
a few of them
rendezvoused there again
713
00:35:12,931 --> 00:35:15,827
to wave goodbye as their
heroes, Brian and Robert,
714
00:35:15,931 --> 00:35:18,724
rode off in stolen vehicles.
715
00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:21,034
Passing Bismarck and the
state Capitol building,
716
00:35:21,137 --> 00:35:23,551
I thought more about the
house on East Sweet Avenue
717
00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:26,344
than I did the house
on Laredo Drive.
718
00:35:26,448 --> 00:35:29,517
The world inside 701
East Sweet Avenue,
719
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:33,068
that was a world I felt
I would never understand.
720
00:35:34,931 --> 00:35:37,000
I had wanted to
understand it though.
721
00:35:37,103 --> 00:35:39,103
And from the very start
I had hoped to interview
722
00:35:39,206 --> 00:35:41,793
Aimee and Michelle
and Ryan Warner,
723
00:35:41,896 --> 00:35:44,034
and Rick Storhogg and others.
724
00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:48,172
Aimee first tipped off
police about the crime,
725
00:35:48,275 --> 00:35:51,137
but then later posed proudly
alongside her sister,
726
00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:53,413
Michelle for a
newspaper article,
727
00:35:54,827 --> 00:35:57,689
declaring her everlasting
love and support for Brian.
728
00:35:57,793 --> 00:35:59,724
Aimee, one of six
people arrested
729
00:35:59,827 --> 00:36:02,758
for breaking into the
crime scene on Laredo Drive
730
00:36:02,862 --> 00:36:05,689
just a few weeks
after the murders.
731
00:36:05,793 --> 00:36:09,310
I did reach out to Pam
Warner to request interviews.
732
00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:11,862
Pam told me she did
speak with her daughters
733
00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:14,482
and they all agreed to
respectfully decline
734
00:36:14,586 --> 00:36:16,137
to take part in this story.
735
00:36:17,482 --> 00:36:21,103
Sadly, her son, Ryan
Warner passed away in 2009.
736
00:36:25,586 --> 00:36:27,724
Somewhere along
the way to Fargo,
737
00:36:27,827 --> 00:36:31,241
I realized why I had resisted
seeking out Misty Jones
738
00:36:31,344 --> 00:36:32,758
from the beginning.
739
00:36:32,862 --> 00:36:34,551
In some ways I think for me,
740
00:36:34,655 --> 00:36:38,172
the girl with the little red
car wasn't even a real person.
741
00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:41,275
She had become an almost
nebulous character to me,
742
00:36:41,379 --> 00:36:45,137
a mysterious young spirit
whose movements and behavior
743
00:36:45,241 --> 00:36:48,482
defied understanding in 1998.
744
00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:51,482
Misty Jones had become my ghost.
745
00:36:55,448 --> 00:36:57,896
Finally, I arrived
in downtown Fargo
746
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,413
and I parked outside of a place
747
00:36:59,517 --> 00:37:01,517
named the Lighthouse Church.
748
00:37:02,758 --> 00:37:04,068
And then I entered this church
749
00:37:04,172 --> 00:37:07,000
and I sat down with
Misty and her pastor.
750
00:37:09,172 --> 00:37:11,586
- [Man] Lighthouse Church
is a recovery based church
751
00:37:11,689 --> 00:37:13,241
in downtown Fargo.
752
00:37:13,344 --> 00:37:16,137
We work with people
who are often
753
00:37:16,241 --> 00:37:17,793
putting their life
back together,
754
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:20,620
who have gone through
some struggles
755
00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:24,931
who are seeking a
community of support.
756
00:37:27,103 --> 00:37:28,448
- I'm Misty Gibree.
757
00:37:28,551 --> 00:37:29,965
I used to be Misty Jones,
758
00:37:30,068 --> 00:37:32,137
but I'm not that girl anymore.
759
00:37:32,241 --> 00:37:33,827
I'm 38.
760
00:37:33,931 --> 00:37:37,655
I am married, I have two
kids, a boy and a girl.
761
00:37:37,758 --> 00:37:39,448
I have three step sons,
762
00:37:39,551 --> 00:37:41,172
and now I have a grandson.
763
00:37:42,379 --> 00:37:45,344
I had my first drink
when I was the baby
764
00:37:46,517 --> 00:37:48,793
and my dad would put
beer in my bottle
765
00:37:48,896 --> 00:37:53,172
and enticed me to
walk towards it.
766
00:37:53,275 --> 00:37:56,793
The first time I started
drinking myself I was 12.
767
00:37:56,896 --> 00:37:58,689
The lady down the street,
768
00:37:58,793 --> 00:38:02,000
I would babysit for her
and she paid me in alcohol.
769
00:38:02,103 --> 00:38:04,793
My ninth grade year I
don't know how I passed,
770
00:38:04,896 --> 00:38:06,137
but I did.
771
00:38:06,241 --> 00:38:08,620
Partied and I was
high all the time.
772
00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:10,482
They knew that I was high.
773
00:38:10,586 --> 00:38:12,344
I mean, what can you do?
774
00:38:12,448 --> 00:38:14,758
I did what I wanted to do.
775
00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:17,172
Mostly smoked weed.
776
00:38:17,275 --> 00:38:19,275
Did acid my first time.
777
00:38:20,068 --> 00:38:21,137
Shrooms.
778
00:38:24,862 --> 00:38:27,689
Shot up, I was
doing meth and coke.
779
00:38:29,275 --> 00:38:31,655
My mom moved us to New Salem
780
00:38:31,758 --> 00:38:33,724
for my sophomore
and junior year.
781
00:38:35,103 --> 00:38:37,827
I refused to go to
New Salem school.
782
00:38:37,931 --> 00:38:39,827
She did homeschooling for me.
783
00:38:39,931 --> 00:38:43,482
I found her answer
keys and I cheated.
784
00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:46,241
Since I was done
with my schooling,
785
00:38:46,344 --> 00:38:48,344
I basically got to
do whatever I wanted.
786
00:38:48,448 --> 00:38:50,000
I had a car then.
787
00:38:50,103 --> 00:38:51,517
That's when I started
really drinking
788
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:53,206
and partying like crazy.
789
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:54,482
For my 16th birthday,
790
00:38:54,586 --> 00:38:56,517
my mom decided to
take us to Arizona
791
00:38:56,620 --> 00:39:00,172
to see my dad for the first
time since I was five.
792
00:39:00,275 --> 00:39:03,689
It was like meeting my
dad for the first time.
793
00:39:03,793 --> 00:39:06,275
I was so excited to meet him.
794
00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:11,000
And my experience in Arizona
was alcohol and drugs.
795
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:15,517
- [Narrator] After her brief
reunion with her father,
796
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:17,310
Misty returned to North Dakota,
797
00:39:17,413 --> 00:39:20,620
where the summer of
1998 awaited her.
798
00:39:20,724 --> 00:39:23,379
And she stayed on that
path of drugs and alcohol
799
00:39:23,482 --> 00:39:26,379
and cruised right into
the month of September.
800
00:39:27,862 --> 00:39:31,793
- [Misty] I didn't know
where I would sleep.
801
00:39:31,896 --> 00:39:35,827
Sometimes I just knew I'd
follow the flow of the party.
802
00:39:35,931 --> 00:39:40,000
And you know, I always
had an excuse for my mom.
803
00:39:41,103 --> 00:39:43,586
- I asked Misty if
she felt any animosity
804
00:39:43,689 --> 00:39:46,758
towards the adults in her
life when she was young.
805
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:49,413
Like your babysitter
providing with this stuff,
806
00:39:50,862 --> 00:39:52,896
looking back on your dad,
providing this for you.
807
00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:56,034
How do you look at that?
808
00:39:59,689 --> 00:40:02,413
- I think that things
happen for a reason
809
00:40:03,551 --> 00:40:07,965
and although I don't
understand them,
810
00:40:08,068 --> 00:40:11,275
I believe that
there's a bigger plan.
811
00:40:11,379 --> 00:40:12,310
Do I like it?
812
00:40:12,413 --> 00:40:13,931
Obviously not.
813
00:40:14,034 --> 00:40:18,586
I could've grown up to
be something, you know,
814
00:40:18,689 --> 00:40:21,344
important or special maybe even.
815
00:40:25,137 --> 00:40:27,103
- [Narrator] After Brian
and Robert were sentenced
816
00:40:27,206 --> 00:40:28,620
to life in prison,
817
00:40:28,724 --> 00:40:32,241
Misty moved to Fargo with
her boyfriend, Rick Storhogg.
818
00:40:32,344 --> 00:40:33,793
Things started out well,
819
00:40:33,896 --> 00:40:37,413
but then Rick began
manufacturing meth.
820
00:40:39,586 --> 00:40:41,482
- [Misty] I don't remember
even how we ended up
821
00:40:41,586 --> 00:40:43,482
starting to do drugs again,
822
00:40:43,586 --> 00:40:47,620
but it came and it came fast.
823
00:40:47,724 --> 00:40:50,862
They were making meth and
then he was selling meth.
824
00:40:50,965 --> 00:40:52,896
And then he was doing,
825
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,275
we were doing all kinds
of drugs at this time.
826
00:40:56,758 --> 00:40:58,379
Yeah, I hardly
remember that time.
827
00:40:58,482 --> 00:41:03,137
That time was really
messed up for me.
828
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,413
We would stay at hotels
sometimes and I would crouch
829
00:41:06,517 --> 00:41:10,758
underneath the sink in the
bathroom and crying like,
830
00:41:10,862 --> 00:41:12,413
you know, God let me die.
831
00:41:12,517 --> 00:41:15,689
But whenever I'd be crying,
praying to God, let me just die.
832
00:41:15,793 --> 00:41:19,724
Rick would just hand me a
spoon and a needle underneath.
833
00:41:19,827 --> 00:41:21,793
He'd be doing his stuff
on top of the sink.
834
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,310
And he would just hand it
to me and I would take it.
835
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:26,103
I was like, that was what I did.
836
00:41:27,241 --> 00:41:29,034
- [Narrator] And
then Rick and Misty
837
00:41:29,137 --> 00:41:33,586
got arrested and both of them
spent time in federal prison.
838
00:41:33,689 --> 00:41:36,379
- [Misty] So I got
out of prison in 2003.
839
00:41:36,482 --> 00:41:38,379
I wanted to be sober again.
840
00:41:38,482 --> 00:41:40,517
It meant a lot to
me to be sober.
841
00:41:41,758 --> 00:41:46,344
And I started going to
NA as much as I could
842
00:41:47,344 --> 00:41:48,034
I got a job.
843
00:41:51,137 --> 00:41:52,758
- [Narrator] While attempting
to turn her life around
844
00:41:52,862 --> 00:41:54,379
Misty met her future husband
845
00:41:54,482 --> 00:41:56,448
who was attempting
to do the same thing.
846
00:41:56,551 --> 00:41:59,000
They joined forces and
pulled their lives together,
847
00:41:59,103 --> 00:42:00,448
creating a new family.
848
00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:02,931
Misty started her own
cleaning business.
849
00:42:03,034 --> 00:42:07,620
Misty says life was amazing,
but then they both relapsed.
850
00:42:07,965 --> 00:42:10,344
And for awhile Misty
lost everything,
851
00:42:10,448 --> 00:42:14,172
her business, her kids,
her car, everything.
852
00:42:15,862 --> 00:42:16,896
But only for a while,
853
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,482
until she just couldn't
take it anymore
854
00:42:19,586 --> 00:42:22,275
and she turned her
life around again.
855
00:42:22,379 --> 00:42:27,000
- So today I work for a thing
called free through recovery.
856
00:42:28,758 --> 00:42:31,965
I work at a church who would
have thought that would happen?
857
00:42:32,068 --> 00:42:35,413
Right now help people
on parole and probation
858
00:42:35,517 --> 00:42:37,793
get the resources that they need
859
00:42:37,896 --> 00:42:40,275
to help them succeed
in this world.
860
00:42:42,344 --> 00:42:43,724
When I got out of prison,
861
00:42:45,206 --> 00:42:47,310
it wasn't hard for me to get
a job because I had ties,
862
00:42:48,517 --> 00:42:50,241
but a lot of people
don't have those ties.
863
00:42:50,344 --> 00:42:51,517
And so when they get out,
864
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:52,620
they don't know where
they're going to live,
865
00:42:52,724 --> 00:42:54,137
where they're going to work.
866
00:42:54,241 --> 00:42:56,482
People don't want to hire
them because they're felons.
867
00:42:56,586 --> 00:42:58,931
So these are all the
things that I help with.
868
00:43:05,068 --> 00:43:07,482
So my mom used to work
at the bowling alley.
869
00:43:07,586 --> 00:43:08,965
That was one of her jobs.
870
00:43:10,103 --> 00:43:12,689
And I was constantly
at the bowling alley.
871
00:43:12,793 --> 00:43:15,344
And Brian was there
one day shooting pool,
872
00:43:15,448 --> 00:43:16,827
but he was really quiet.
873
00:43:16,931 --> 00:43:18,172
He was a great guy.
874
00:43:20,379 --> 00:43:22,620
He was funny, he was caring.
875
00:43:22,724 --> 00:43:26,068
He's kind of bashful
in a way with me.
876
00:43:26,172 --> 00:43:27,965
I could talk to
him about anything.
877
00:43:29,068 --> 00:43:30,655
He was my best friend.
878
00:43:35,137 --> 00:43:39,689
Robert was the oldest, I suppose
he was a teacher in a way.
879
00:43:39,793 --> 00:43:44,379
He taught me that if I
was driving down the road
880
00:43:46,034 --> 00:43:48,172
and I was swerving.
881
00:43:48,275 --> 00:43:50,448
So I used to drive drunk a lot
882
00:43:51,896 --> 00:43:54,034
and to pretend like I was
messing with a stereo system
883
00:43:54,137 --> 00:43:55,517
if I drove by a cop,
884
00:43:56,724 --> 00:44:00,103
because then I'd have a
reason to be swerving,
885
00:44:00,206 --> 00:44:01,689
taught me how to shoplift.
886
00:44:01,793 --> 00:44:03,379
He was just kind of a teacher.
887
00:44:04,931 --> 00:44:07,344
And I don't remember
a lot of him.
888
00:44:07,448 --> 00:44:11,137
I just know that he was there
and Michelle's boyfriend.
889
00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:15,068
The guys all really
looked up to him.
890
00:44:15,172 --> 00:44:16,517
He was mean though.
891
00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:18,172
I heard one time he,
892
00:44:18,275 --> 00:44:20,344
I think I was at the house,
893
00:44:20,448 --> 00:44:21,586
but I wasn't with
them when they did it.
894
00:44:21,689 --> 00:44:23,517
But he jumped out of
the back of a pickup
895
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:26,931
and punched a black
guy with brass knuckles
896
00:44:27,034 --> 00:44:29,448
for no reason other
than just being black.
897
00:44:31,172 --> 00:44:34,689
Ryan and Aimee and
Michelle lived there,
898
00:44:34,793 --> 00:44:39,034
Pam and Naomi and
Lisa lived upstairs.
899
00:44:39,137 --> 00:44:43,689
Ryan had a door, you
just go down and go in.
900
00:44:43,793 --> 00:44:45,482
And his room was pretty big.
901
00:44:46,655 --> 00:44:48,517
We could just go in
whenever we wanted.
902
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:50,758
And you can just, you know,
903
00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:52,896
if I needed a place
to stay or anything,
904
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,103
I could just, even if it
was like two in the morning,
905
00:44:55,206 --> 00:44:59,827
I could just go in and lay
next to Ryan and go to bed.
906
00:45:01,655 --> 00:45:03,896
They were doing drugs upstairs.
907
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,241
That's where we
got the meth from.
908
00:45:08,413 --> 00:45:11,620
And as long as we left them
alone, they left us alone.
909
00:45:17,586 --> 00:45:19,620
It was like our own
apartment down there.
910
00:45:28,827 --> 00:45:29,896
- This is the only way
I'm going to put it.
911
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,068
Could we just get
this confirmed?
912
00:45:33,172 --> 00:45:33,965
Rick knew what was go--.
913
00:45:34,068 --> 00:45:36,103
I mean, he knew what was gonna,
914
00:45:36,206 --> 00:45:37,344
let me play this here.
915
00:45:39,793 --> 00:45:41,448
- It's always been
my contention.
916
00:45:42,655 --> 00:45:44,000
And I guess I can't
really prove it.
917
00:45:44,103 --> 00:45:45,931
But Rick Storhogg knew
what was going to happen.
918
00:45:46,965 --> 00:45:49,482
Brian and Robert and Misty Jones
919
00:45:49,586 --> 00:45:51,586
came over and knocked
on the window.
920
00:45:51,689 --> 00:45:53,689
trying to get his
attention to get him
921
00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:55,793
to come with them,
'cause I think Misty
922
00:45:55,896 --> 00:45:58,965
ended up filling in for Rick.
923
00:46:00,310 --> 00:46:02,689
And they left a note on his
car and started swimming.
924
00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:05,206
- [Halvorston] I'm still
a little bit uncertain
925
00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:07,620
about Misty's boyfriend Rick.
926
00:46:07,724 --> 00:46:09,896
But it seemed like
he knew details
927
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,344
that only he could
know if he was there.
928
00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:16,448
He's one I never really felt
we got the full truth on.
929
00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:19,482
- Right.
930
00:46:19,586 --> 00:46:20,655
- [Narrator] What's
your comments on that?
931
00:46:22,310 --> 00:46:26,620
- So Rick told me
after where it said
932
00:46:26,724 --> 00:46:27,931
it was supposed to be him,
933
00:46:29,344 --> 00:46:33,965
that he decided not to do it
because they were going to do
934
00:46:35,448 --> 00:46:38,551
it messy and leave
evidence in the house.
935
00:46:39,793 --> 00:46:42,344
Rick actually had
a different plan
936
00:46:43,275 --> 00:46:44,724
and it was to shoot him,
937
00:46:47,965 --> 00:46:51,931
to take him somewhere where
there was a hole already done.
938
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:58,275
That way there was no evidence
of bodies or anything.
939
00:46:59,896 --> 00:47:02,827
I think my brain
protected me from it
940
00:47:02,931 --> 00:47:05,172
by playing it as a movie.
941
00:47:05,275 --> 00:47:09,793
And still to this day, it's
like a movie in my head.
942
00:47:16,344 --> 00:47:18,793
I was a very
argumentative little girl.
943
00:47:18,896 --> 00:47:20,482
I would be one that's would say,
944
00:47:20,586 --> 00:47:23,896
nobody's going to tell me
what to do, argued a lot.
945
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,206
And so when they told me to
wait in the car, I said, no,
946
00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:27,965
I'm going to go in the garage
947
00:47:28,068 --> 00:47:29,758
cause he can smoke
in the garage.
948
00:47:32,586 --> 00:47:36,379
So I went in there
and sat on the cooler.
949
00:47:36,482 --> 00:47:39,206
I sat on the big freezer
and smoked a cigarette.
950
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:43,689
I read in a transcript that
Brian went in and said that they
951
00:47:43,793 --> 00:47:44,862
were awake and all that.
952
00:47:44,965 --> 00:47:46,482
I don't remember any of that.
953
00:47:49,137 --> 00:47:51,275
I do remember hearing
a lot of banging
954
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,206
And then I remember
hearing his mom scream
955
00:47:58,034 --> 00:48:01,448
and then they came
in their garage
956
00:48:01,551 --> 00:48:02,827
and they had blood
on their hands.
957
00:48:02,931 --> 00:48:05,551
And some reason I
remember thinking
958
00:48:05,655 --> 00:48:08,241
that they killed a
cat in front of them.
959
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:12,586
For some reason,
that's what in my head,
960
00:48:12,689 --> 00:48:15,758
that was what they did
was they scared them
961
00:48:15,862 --> 00:48:17,551
killed like a cat or something.
962
00:48:19,655 --> 00:48:20,862
And so I went upstairs,
963
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,620
there was his dad
laying on the floor.
964
00:48:24,724 --> 00:48:29,310
And I remember thinking
this isn't like the movies.
965
00:48:30,586 --> 00:48:31,379
There's not a lot of blood.
966
00:48:33,862 --> 00:48:36,172
His mom was still alive.
967
00:48:36,275 --> 00:48:37,689
Not all the way.
968
00:48:37,793 --> 00:48:40,448
And I don't know if she was
like totally alive or not.
969
00:48:40,551 --> 00:48:42,586
She was breathing.
970
00:48:42,689 --> 00:48:44,862
I think in the paperwork it
says that she was saying,
971
00:48:44,965 --> 00:48:46,068
I love you.
972
00:48:46,172 --> 00:48:47,620
But I don't remember that.
973
00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:52,000
I remember Robert screaming
cut her in the jugular vein,
974
00:48:53,206 --> 00:48:55,241
cut her in the jugular vein.
975
00:48:55,344 --> 00:48:58,862
I remember Brian holding
her head and stabbing her
976
00:48:59,965 --> 00:49:04,620
repeatedly and I just
stood there and watched.
977
00:49:08,034 --> 00:49:10,034
Then I said, I have
to go get help.
978
00:49:11,413 --> 00:49:13,448
And they let me leave.
979
00:49:14,896 --> 00:49:17,413
- You said I have
to go get help?
980
00:49:17,517 --> 00:49:18,586
They never sent you to get help?
981
00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:20,586
- No, I said I
have to go to help.
982
00:49:20,689 --> 00:49:22,000
You guys need help.
983
00:49:22,103 --> 00:49:23,655
I have to go get help.
984
00:49:23,758 --> 00:49:24,793
You guys need help.
985
00:49:26,827 --> 00:49:27,689
And I left.
986
00:49:29,103 --> 00:49:31,689
- Do you remember why it
was that your main concern,
987
00:49:31,793 --> 00:49:34,137
them getting help or did you
just want to get out of there
988
00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:34,965
or do you know?
989
00:49:35,068 --> 00:49:36,620
- I don't know.
990
00:49:36,724 --> 00:49:39,620
I just knew that I got
out of there real fast
991
00:49:41,068 --> 00:49:43,448
and I went and got Ryan.
992
00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:17,551
I didn't know the bodies
were still on the truck
993
00:50:17,655 --> 00:50:18,724
when I got in it.
994
00:50:18,827 --> 00:50:20,241
I found that out later,
995
00:50:21,241 --> 00:50:23,965
Brian was just crying and sad.
996
00:50:24,068 --> 00:50:26,448
I held him for
awhile in a truck,
997
00:50:26,551 --> 00:50:28,896
cradled him like a
baby and rocked him.
998
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Robert was like
driving and he's like,
999
00:50:33,103 --> 00:50:34,655
you like my new truck.
1000
00:50:36,068 --> 00:50:40,482
Robert I'm honestly kind of
scared for if he ever gets out.
1001
00:50:40,586 --> 00:50:44,137
And I don't know if it was,
I, I can't get the image,
1002
00:50:44,241 --> 00:50:45,655
what he did,
1003
00:50:45,758 --> 00:50:50,344
the way he acted and the
way Brian acted were totally
1004
00:50:51,344 --> 00:50:52,000
different afterwards.
1005
00:50:58,965 --> 00:51:00,551
- You know, a person struggles
1006
00:51:00,655 --> 00:51:05,310
with how could you know
about what happened to them
1007
00:51:06,689 --> 00:51:10,275
and not come forward
and not tell the truth
1008
00:51:10,379 --> 00:51:15,000
about what you knew and do so
willingly to not understand
1009
00:51:15,103 --> 00:51:19,689
the gravity of right and wrong
in this way to be conflicted
1010
00:51:21,551 --> 00:51:23,620
in terms of loyalty, to the
truth, loyalty to your friends.
1011
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:28,275
That's what we, a lot of
people don't understand.
1012
00:51:29,344 --> 00:51:30,413
Can you just help in any way,
1013
00:51:30,517 --> 00:51:33,206
help people understand
that mentality.
1014
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:37,689
- So in a drug world,
1015
00:51:39,172 --> 00:51:40,655
you don't tell on people,
1016
00:51:40,758 --> 00:51:43,620
you're a narc and that's
the narcing thing.
1017
00:51:45,241 --> 00:51:49,793
And you don't want to be the
one that you don't want to be
1018
00:51:51,206 --> 00:51:55,827
labeled that person,
cause that will ruin you.
1019
00:51:57,482 --> 00:51:59,000
Nobody will want to do drugs
with you and nobody will want
1020
00:51:59,103 --> 00:52:00,586
to talk to you.
1021
00:52:00,689 --> 00:52:05,241
You don't know that a murder
isn't in, not included in that.
1022
00:52:05,344 --> 00:52:08,620
You just know that you're not
supposed to tell on people.
1023
00:52:08,724 --> 00:52:11,206
I remember in the psych ward,
1024
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:15,310
people yelling at me
telling me don't you care,
1025
00:52:15,413 --> 00:52:19,862
are you that whatever they
said, I don't remember.
1026
00:52:22,655 --> 00:52:27,241
And I remember being in
prison five years later,
1027
00:52:30,241 --> 00:52:31,689
three years sober.
1028
00:52:33,137 --> 00:52:35,551
And the first time I
realized, oh my God,
1029
00:52:35,655 --> 00:52:37,655
there was two people died.
1030
00:52:37,758 --> 00:52:42,137
So all my actions that
are unexplainable,
1031
00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:46,482
I blocked the whole
thing out of my head
1032
00:52:47,482 --> 00:52:51,793
until I was old enough.
1033
00:52:51,896 --> 00:52:54,620
And my brain was
thought I was ready.
1034
00:52:57,137 --> 00:52:59,275
- [Narrator]
Everybody has a story.
1035
00:52:59,379 --> 00:53:02,448
Misty and I'm assuming the
other kids at the time,
1036
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:07,000
you know, came from
their own life issues
1037
00:53:07,103 --> 00:53:09,793
of their own upbringing.
1038
00:53:09,896 --> 00:53:12,275
And you know, in
her life experience,
1039
00:53:12,379 --> 00:53:15,206
there was no real shaping
of a moral compass
1040
00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:18,000
that perhaps a lot
of people would have.
1041
00:53:19,448 --> 00:53:21,241
And so her compass said
it's loyalty to the people
1042
00:53:21,344 --> 00:53:23,344
who give you sense of security
1043
00:53:25,206 --> 00:53:29,793
a sense of purpose and meaning
and unconditional love.
1044
00:53:30,068 --> 00:53:33,344
Even though it was far
from unconditional,
1045
00:53:33,448 --> 00:53:35,206
she was a 16 year old kid,
1046
00:53:36,724 --> 00:53:39,586
drugs and alcohol affects
your cognitive abilities.
1047
00:53:40,965 --> 00:53:43,827
It can overtake your
brain even at young ages.
1048
00:53:46,517 --> 00:53:48,448
- I started writing Brian again.
1049
00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:52,896
I knew that I wasn't going
to ask him in letters.
1050
00:53:54,586 --> 00:53:57,931
And so I tried to
set up visitation
1051
00:53:58,034 --> 00:54:00,068
with a half hour before closing.
1052
00:54:00,172 --> 00:54:02,620
Cause I was really
scared, not of him,
1053
00:54:02,724 --> 00:54:05,551
but seeing him after
all these years.
1054
00:54:05,655 --> 00:54:09,620
And I didn't ask him,
I was too afraid.
1055
00:54:09,724 --> 00:54:10,862
- Ask him what?
1056
00:54:10,965 --> 00:54:12,517
- Why he did it.
1057
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:15,482
What happened? Why was I there?
1058
00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:17,172
Why did he do it in front of me?
1059
00:54:18,275 --> 00:54:20,103
Why did it have to happen?
1060
00:54:21,482 --> 00:54:23,551
You know, Rick told me
all kinds of reasons,
1061
00:54:23,655 --> 00:54:26,068
but I had never heard
them from Brian.
1062
00:54:26,172 --> 00:54:29,000
I didn't know if they were
right or wrong, you know?
1063
00:54:34,275 --> 00:54:38,896
So I finally talk to him
on the phone the other day,
1064
00:54:41,413 --> 00:54:42,241
- How many days ago?
1065
00:54:43,275 --> 00:54:44,413
- Monday and Tuesday.
1066
00:54:46,068 --> 00:54:50,689
And I finally asked him,
but I can't tell you,
1067
00:54:52,275 --> 00:54:52,965
cause that's his
story to tell you.
1068
00:54:57,862 --> 00:54:59,000
- [Haas] Maybe I'm
going to get raked
1069
00:54:59,103 --> 00:55:00,965
over the coals over this,
1070
00:55:01,068 --> 00:55:02,793
but she had an opportunity.
1071
00:55:02,896 --> 00:55:05,137
She could have done
just what Rick did.
1072
00:55:05,241 --> 00:55:06,827
She could have walked away.
1073
00:55:06,931 --> 00:55:09,655
This is not the
actions of somebody
1074
00:55:09,758 --> 00:55:12,517
that we should give
some leniency to.
1075
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:14,034
I don't believe it.
1076
00:55:15,379 --> 00:55:18,827
I think she's just as
complicit as these other two.
1077
00:55:18,931 --> 00:55:20,482
Sure she didn't stab anybody.
1078
00:55:20,586 --> 00:55:22,000
She didn't kill anybody.
1079
00:55:23,448 --> 00:55:25,827
But there were actions that
she could have taken that maybe
1080
00:55:25,931 --> 00:55:27,965
it would minimize
some of this stuff.
1081
00:55:29,344 --> 00:55:31,034
Maybe two people wouldn't
have lost their lives.
1082
00:55:31,137 --> 00:55:32,896
- [Man] She was a
16 year old kid,
1083
00:55:34,344 --> 00:55:37,896
drugs and alcohol affects
your cognitive abilities.
1084
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,241
- [Halvorson] The two
people that needed
1085
00:55:40,344 --> 00:55:43,206
to be held accountable
were held accountable.
1086
00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:44,827
And I think these young people
1087
00:55:46,034 --> 00:55:47,793
will live with this for
the rest of their life.
1088
00:55:47,896 --> 00:55:50,482
And in some ways that's
consequence enough.
1089
00:55:55,896 --> 00:55:57,931
- I remember back
in the eighties,
1090
00:55:58,034 --> 00:56:01,413
Hollywood ran a campaign
advertising campaign where they
1091
00:56:01,517 --> 00:56:04,620
encourage us to get out
and escape to the movies.
1092
00:56:04,724 --> 00:56:07,034
If you think about it,
that's kind of what we do.
1093
00:56:07,137 --> 00:56:09,655
When we watch a movie
we escape from reality.
1094
00:56:13,034 --> 00:56:15,827
Is that what Misty Jones did
that night instead of driving
1095
00:56:15,931 --> 00:56:18,275
to the police department,
she walked down those steps
1096
00:56:18,379 --> 00:56:21,275
and went through that door
and woke up Ryan Warner.
1097
00:56:21,379 --> 00:56:24,344
Did she escape to a movie her
brain produced in her head?
1098
00:56:26,344 --> 00:56:27,517
I don't know.
1099
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:31,034
There's still a lot
I don't understand.
1100
00:56:31,137 --> 00:56:32,379
Sure I have more information,
1101
00:56:32,482 --> 00:56:35,172
but a part of me still
does not understand,
1102
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,068
but I do know that
Hollywood movies
1103
00:56:40,172 --> 00:56:42,241
almost always end neat and tidy.
1104
00:56:42,344 --> 00:56:46,068
You're served up with an
ending that is tied with a bow,
1105
00:56:46,172 --> 00:56:47,758
served on a platter
and you're left
1106
00:56:47,862 --> 00:56:49,827
with no unanswered questions,
1107
00:56:51,724 --> 00:56:54,137
but this story and the
movie in Misty's head
1108
00:56:54,241 --> 00:56:55,793
were not Hollywood productions.
1109
00:56:55,896 --> 00:56:57,241
This was real life.
1110
00:56:58,793 --> 00:57:00,241
Two people really died.
1111
00:57:02,275 --> 00:57:03,413
And I guess in real life stories
1112
00:57:03,517 --> 00:57:05,758
don't always end neat and tidy.
1113
00:57:06,793 --> 00:57:08,586
One unanswered
question at present is
1114
00:57:08,689 --> 00:57:10,896
will Brian Erickstad
speak with us?
1115
00:57:13,482 --> 00:57:15,103
Will he answer some
of those questions
1116
00:57:15,206 --> 00:57:17,448
that Bob Haas and
others still can't quite
1117
00:57:17,551 --> 00:57:19,862
get out of their heads
all these years later?
1118
00:57:21,517 --> 00:57:22,896
Why did this happen?
1119
00:57:25,586 --> 00:57:27,310
At the time of this
recording I've spoken
1120
00:57:27,413 --> 00:57:30,034
to Brian Erickstad three
times on the phone.
1121
00:57:30,137 --> 00:57:34,000
We've only discussed how such
an interview might take place,
1122
00:57:34,103 --> 00:57:37,379
but now suddenly I've not
heard from him in over a month.
1123
00:57:37,482 --> 00:57:39,413
Perhaps he's changed his mind.
1124
00:57:39,517 --> 00:57:40,965
One thing I do know though,
1125
00:57:41,068 --> 00:57:44,068
or at least I believe when the
16 year old Misty Jones wrote
1126
00:57:44,172 --> 00:57:47,344
those crazy letters to
Robert and Brian in jail,
1127
00:57:47,448 --> 00:57:49,275
she was right about one thing.
1128
00:57:49,379 --> 00:57:52,000
She said, they'd
always be connected.
1129
00:57:52,103 --> 00:57:54,137
I think that's
something she got right.
1130
00:57:54,241 --> 00:57:56,689
I think they always will be
tethered together because of
1131
00:57:56,793 --> 00:57:58,655
this horrific experience.
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