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Right now we are
in the middle
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of the river of Giants.
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This was a big river system,
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very tropical and refreshing,
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and it was home to
many different giant predato.
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If we were just traveling back
in time now to this place,
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a hundred million years
into the past,
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we would see these giant crocs,
flying reptiles,
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big predatory fish,
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huge predatory dinosaurs
behind us.
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So essentially
what I'm saying is
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there would be many
different ways for us to die
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in this ancient ecosystem, right?
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Paleontology is the science
of ancient life.
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And dinosaurs play a very
prominent role in this story.
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Many of the things
we worry about now,
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like biodiversity loss,
extinction events,
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climate change, sea level rise,
dinosaurs have seen it all.
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Understanding the past
is extremely important
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for our understanding
our future.
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Almost certainly vertebral.
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Did you take a picture of it?
We'll match it later on.
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There's something really amazing
about holding a real fossil.
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The sequence of events
that has to occur
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for an organism to become a
fossil is pretty extraordinar,
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especially when you talk
about things like dinosaurs.
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Fossils are like sacred objects
in some ways.
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No commercial diggers today.
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They come in the back way.
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I don't see any today.
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A fossil in the rock
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has a number
of positions in time and spac.
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It has a geographic position
on our Earth now,
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and it also,
when the animal died,
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had a geographic position
on the Earth
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that is actually different
than it is now.
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Sometimes, some commercial
collectors find a specimen.
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I don't know for sure that
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they collect them
where they say they did
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because they don't have
any reason to tell you.
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And they don't keep particularly
good scientific records of them.
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And I don't really trust them
to keep very good records
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because they're only interested
in money.
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The commercialization
of dinosaurs
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is creating this whole thing.
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One philosophy is, you're
interested in the science.
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And the other is that
you're interested in money.
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You know, there's people
who have no scruples.
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They're selling for millions
of dollars worldwide, right?
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Millions of dollars
are millions of dollars.
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What would you do
for a million dollars?
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In Morocco,
fossils disappear all the time.
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We're now on a mission,
a race against time,
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trying to see how many
of these treasures
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we can rescue for science.
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I got pictures
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of an amazing
saw skate skeleton.
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But there's this parallel world
that exists here,
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and that's of course the world
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of fossil trade
and fossil hunters.
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If you don't figure out
a way real fast,
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then it's going to be offered
to a range of middlemen
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and big-time fossil dealers,
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and they'll just snatch it away,
and you'll never see it again.
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So we're about halfway through
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an underground tunnel that
leads to the Onchopristis si.
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It's about 15 meters in
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and it's very, very narrow,
as you can see.
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I can barely fit
through these openings.
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But it's extremely narrow.
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It just goes to show, when you
see these specimens in museums,
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or you know, collections,
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you don't realize how much
incredibly hard work
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has gone into digging them up.
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It's really mind-blowing.
This is very dangerous work.
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Some of these things, I can
break them just with my hand.
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And there's an enormous amount
of rock on top of me.
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Every now and then, these things
collapse and bury people alive.
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So we've got several people
in here now
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just to make sure we know
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exactly where this specimen
was found.
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We now have the exact spot
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and we've got
the GPS coordinates.
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So I think that's a wrap
for today.
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That's wild.
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The amount of detail
is just crazy
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considering where
this thing was found.
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This one needs
some really careful prep,
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but when this thing
is fully prepped,
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it's going to be the Mona Lisa
of sclerorhynchids.
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The most important thing is:
it's here.
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It's not
in someone's living room.
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It is in someone's living room!
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But just for the time being.
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We have to remember
that even today,
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almost all big discoveries
are made by amateurs,
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not by PhD scientists.
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And it's so easy to say,
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I don't want anything
to do with this.
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It's usually still a good idea
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to keep channels
of communication.
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There are people here
all year long,
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tens of thousands of them,
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collecting fossils, you know,
throughout the country.
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They know that we care
about these fossils
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in a way that none
of the commercial dealers do.
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The Gobi
hasn't changed much
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since the time of dinosaurs.
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Mongolian fossils
are really well-preserved,
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almost like the animal died
just yesterday.
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Our family has a long history
with paleontology.
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My father was a paleontologist,
my brother is a paleontologist,
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and I'm a paleontologist.
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But also, our great uncle
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worked on Roy Chapman Andrews's
expedition
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that was collecting fossils.
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The American Museum of
Natural History, back in 1920,
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they sent out multiple
large expeditions
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to different continents.
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One of them was an expedition
led by Roy Chapman Andrews.
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He was a scientist
at the museum.
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At some point, he was
the director of the museum too.
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They were three years in
Mongolia collecting dinosaurs.
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They actually made
quite a bit of collection.
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They discovered the first
dinosaur nest in the world.
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It all came to New York.
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It never went back to Mongolia.
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I don't know, this institution
probably thinks they own it.
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But then, if you think about it,
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it's basically
the property of Mongolia.
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Once a fossil leaves,
knowledge leaves with it.
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We are losing out.
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All of these years,
Mongolians have been losers.
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And me.
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My biggest dream is that all
dinosaurs go back to Mongolia.
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Hi.
Well, thank you very much.
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For letting us know.
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Because we really welcome
tourists to visit fossil sit,
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but the fossils are too rich,
anybody can find them.
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At the same time, we have
a poaching problem going on.
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So you actually found a nest.
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I see there's four
or five more eggs in it.
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Usually an egg nest has
a little over 20 eggs.
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The ranger in charge
of this area, she can keep it.
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Because we don't have
a dinosaur museum.
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- Oh.
- Yeah, that's the problem.
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This is the rock,
this is the dirt sediment.
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This is bone.
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Bone is not really rock.
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What happens over
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the hundreds of thousands
or millions of years
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is that inside all that bone
is marrow cavity.
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There's space where
blood vessels went through it.
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As the soft tissues rot away,
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those spaces are filled in
with another mineral,
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so it makes it heavy.
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But the cool thing is that
we can actually cut it open
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and get information
about how the animal grew.
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And that's what we do here.
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We have a past history,
and it is extraordinary.
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I mean, it's 4.5 billion years
of just incredible stories.
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It was the 90s.
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A colleague of mine called me up
and said,
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"Jack, you're in a book.
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"It's called Jurassic Park."
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And I said,
"I hope I didn't get eaten!"
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Sometime later, Steven Spielberg
called me up and said,
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"I'm making Jurassic Park
as a movie.
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"Would you be interested
in being the technical advisor?"
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And he said, "By the way,
you're in the movie."
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He wanted me to spend
some time with Sam Neill,
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who would play my character,
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so Sam could see what a
paleontologist was like in life.
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I went from having
two or three students
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to having 18 students
after Jurassic Park.
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Prior to Jurassic Park,
I had maybe 25% female students.
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And after Jurassic Park, it was
and continues to be about 50/50.
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That's an atlas-axis complex
from an amphibian.
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Oh, cool!
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Good job!
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You can see the double condyles
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where it attaches
to the occipital condyle.
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So that is
the occipital condyle!
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- Hey, you have to catalog it.
- I already did.
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GPSed it and everything.
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It's good luck to hold the bone
until you find the next one.
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Yeah, I love to do that.
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I've just never seen anything
like that before.
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Obviously I don't know shit
from Shinola about amphibians.
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Not every fossil
is scientifically valuable.
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And there is not room in all
the museums in the world
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to house every fossil.
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Being able to have
the excitement of having
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a trace of an animal that lived
millions of years ago,
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it's fascinating,
it gets people excited
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about the natural world,
about science.
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But I think
it is really important
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that we should protect
scientifically valuable fossils.
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Fucking hell!
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So if you're just some rich guy
who wants to have
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a triceratops skull behind
your desk in your office
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to intimidate people
or whatever,
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I think we should create some
kind of scientific committee
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that every time somebody's like,
"Hey, that fossil is important,
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"it should not go
into private hands,"
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the committee could review it
and be like "yes" or "no".
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Dinosaur Provincial Park is
a place in the middle of Alberta
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known since the late 1800s
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as being a good source
for dinosaur bones.
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Alberta has been very lucky
in terms of our legislation.
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In 1976, the Alberta government
passed a law
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that just said, all fossils
in the province of Alberta
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are Crown resources.
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We'll allow you to pick up
the ones on the surface
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and take them home if you want,
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but you don't own it,
so you can't sell it.
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You guys are so lucky,
because in the States,
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with all these crazy price tags
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that are being put
on these fossils like Stan
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or that Deinonychus that just
sold for $8 million for like...
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I mean, you look at that...
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- Is that what it went for?
- Yes, can you believe that?
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You look at it and it's probably
not even that much real fossil.
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It's just all been
reconstructed.
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These stupid collectors
can't tell.
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I think we should at least
have laws in the States
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that protect scientifically
valuable specimens.
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Just like, have it in place.
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Sure, there'll still be
scientifically valuable stuff
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being sold on the black market.
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But if you find out about it,
at least that law is in place
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to give you legislation
to seize the specimen.
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It's ridiculous in America
that it's just a free for all.
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But I guess
it's also unsurprising
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because nobody
cares about science.
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It used to be that
the worth of a fossil,
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nobody really thought about it.
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Now, it's a different world
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and the price has gone up
so dramatically.
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The most famous example
was Sue, the T-Rex.
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Sue is
the largest, most complete
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T-Rex skeleton ever found.
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The Sue skeleton
is an interesting piece.
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We know where it came from.
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It was collected
by a commercial collector.
248
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They got it out of the ground
really quick.
249
00:30:59,539 --> 00:31:02,745
They weren't interested
in studying it in the ground.
250
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:06,071
It was a monetary decision,
not a scientific decision.
251
00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:08,915
I begin with a bid
of $500,000.
252
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That was the first dinosaur
253
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to be sold for
like millions of dollars.
254
00:31:14,204 --> 00:31:16,850
I've got $2,700,000.
2.7.
255
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3.4 standing.
256
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$7,600,000 up here.
257
00:31:26,425 --> 00:31:29,230
Prior to the Sue skeleton
being sold,
258
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ranchers were just fine
with donating specimens
259
00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:34,680
or letting us collect
what we wanted.
260
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,045
But after they heard
that specimen
261
00:31:37,204 --> 00:31:39,610
was worth $8 million,
they thought twice about it.
262
00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:42,054
And a lot of people said,
"No, I'm gonna sell mine.
263
00:31:42,213 --> 00:31:44,057
"I wanna make
millions of dollars."
264
00:31:44,217 --> 00:31:47,222
Hailing from the Hell Creek
formation in South Dakota,
265
00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:51,390
Stan is one of the most seen
and studied T-Rex of all time.
266
00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:54,034
- Ten million, please.
- Ten million dollars.
267
00:31:54,194 --> 00:31:57,080
With the increase in prices
in recent years,
268
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Stan the T-Rex,
which was collected legally,
269
00:32:00,726 --> 00:32:03,250
sold for 32 million dollars.
270
00:32:03,571 --> 00:32:05,815
And sold.
Thank you very much.
271
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It's staggering.
272
00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:09,781
There's no way that institutions
273
00:32:09,943 --> 00:32:11,705
can come up with
that kind of money.
274
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Sold!
275
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Big John had been discovered
in 2014 in South Dakota
276
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by a commercial paleontologist.
277
00:32:33,823 --> 00:32:37,992
So, somebody actively looking
for dinosaurs to sell.
278
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I immediately started to say,
"Oh, it's very interesting.
279
00:32:43,201 --> 00:32:45,926
"What are you going to do
with such an amazing piece?
280
00:32:46,085 --> 00:32:48,770
"Would you consider
to consign for an auction?"
281
00:32:56,945 --> 00:33:01,071
So we have this part that
have been cast from other bones.
282
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We have this one
that has been 3D printed.
283
00:33:03,836 --> 00:33:08,805
And we have the original bone,
that is 60% of the skeleton
284
00:33:08,966 --> 00:33:11,569
and 75% of the skull.
285
00:33:11,731 --> 00:33:15,617
The skull is the most
well-preserved part.
286
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This is a fake.
287
00:33:18,783 --> 00:33:20,585
This is one
of the restored parts.
288
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This is the real bone.
Real bone doesn't sound at all.
289
00:33:24,072 --> 00:33:27,397
We never have 100%
of the whole skeleton.
290
00:33:27,558 --> 00:33:30,122
The restoration process
is something
291
00:33:30,283 --> 00:33:33,848
that must be really completely
understood by the final client.
292
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:41,141
Part of our job
is to understand collectors.
293
00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:43,987
A lot of my clients
have told me,
294
00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:46,671
"I really got deep into Jurassic Park
295
00:33:46,832 --> 00:33:50,759
"when I was either a child
or a young adult."
296
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,246
That's it: you tell the story
and you sell the story.
297
00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:01,176
I spoke with
maybe ten people
298
00:34:01,737 --> 00:34:05,064
that are actively going to bid
on Big John.
299
00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:10,873
We have art museums,
a privately owned foundation,
300
00:34:11,035 --> 00:34:14,561
we have a public science museum
that are willing to purchase.
301
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,925
We have investments funds,
302
00:34:17,085 --> 00:34:19,489
cryptocurrency traders
303
00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:23,335
or very wealthy people
that just say, "Ah!"
304
00:34:23,496 --> 00:34:26,982
"I can really buy a dinosaur?
This is this for real?"
305
00:34:27,143 --> 00:34:30,028
That is a question that
I'm always being asked.
306
00:34:30,188 --> 00:34:32,152
And you say, "Yeah, of course."
307
00:34:32,311 --> 00:34:35,236
And we always hope
to have two clients
308
00:34:35,396 --> 00:34:36,639
that know each other,
309
00:34:36,799 --> 00:34:38,802
and that don't like
so much each other.
310
00:34:38,963 --> 00:34:40,606
When they are
in the same sale,
311
00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:42,690
they'll start to fight
with each other.
312
00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:44,974
Because it happens all the time.
313
00:34:45,615 --> 00:34:46,736
It's a fight.
314
00:34:46,896 --> 00:34:50,664
It's a fight about the will
to purchase the piece.
315
00:34:50,823 --> 00:34:53,589
It's something like an ego war.
316
00:44:09,642 --> 00:44:11,606
When I was a student
317
00:44:11,765 --> 00:44:13,569
studying in the early 90s,
318
00:44:13,728 --> 00:44:16,214
that was a very messy time
in Mongolia.
319
00:44:16,373 --> 00:44:18,177
Everything got out of control.
320
00:44:18,336 --> 00:44:21,903
We lost control
of the fossil situation.
321
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:27,913
We had 70 years of communism.
322
00:44:28,074 --> 00:44:30,478
The government
was the only job provider.
323
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:31,960
When the government said,
324
00:44:32,122 --> 00:44:34,324
"I'm not going to provide
any more jobs.
325
00:44:34,485 --> 00:44:36,408
"I want
to privatize everything,"
326
00:44:36,569 --> 00:44:40,936
50% of employed people
were jobless immediately.
327
00:44:41,097 --> 00:44:43,261
And they needed
to survive somehow,
328
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:45,705
and they started selling things.
329
00:44:48,429 --> 00:44:51,955
Scientists would give you maps
330
00:44:52,117 --> 00:44:55,401
and the locations
of fossil materials.
331
00:44:55,563 --> 00:45:00,009
They gave away
so many landmark details
332
00:45:00,171 --> 00:45:04,057
that looters just can go
and dig into those areas.
333
00:45:06,742 --> 00:45:09,066
Jurassic Park comes out
in '93.
334
00:45:09,226 --> 00:45:11,830
That was the first year
I went to Mongolia.
335
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:14,435
And by '97,
we'd go to a fossil site
336
00:45:14,716 --> 00:45:16,279
and locals and kids and
everybody else
337
00:45:16,438 --> 00:45:18,122
were walking up to us
with fossils
338
00:45:18,282 --> 00:45:19,844
and offering it for money.
339
00:45:20,004 --> 00:45:21,728
There was the commercial trade.
340
00:45:21,888 --> 00:45:24,973
You know that if you can
sell a fossil skull
341
00:45:25,134 --> 00:45:27,017
to a tourist,
342
00:45:27,178 --> 00:45:30,704
there must be somebody out there
that'll take a whole skeleton.
343
00:45:35,952 --> 00:45:38,317
People were desperate
to survive.
344
00:45:38,718 --> 00:45:40,241
Almost every summer,
345
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,681
there's a load of containers
of dinosaurs
346
00:45:42,841 --> 00:45:44,842
leaving the country.
347
00:45:47,842 --> 00:45:49,481
Around the year 2000,
348
00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,803
we started noticing
an acceleration
349
00:45:51,962 --> 00:45:55,402
in the amount of poaching
that went on in Mongolia.
350
00:45:56,684 --> 00:46:00,244
We saw eight destroyed skeletons
of Tarbosaurus in one day
351
00:46:00,403 --> 00:46:02,924
and realized that
this was really bad,
352
00:46:03,084 --> 00:46:06,004
because it was
a different level of poaching
353
00:46:06,165 --> 00:46:08,326
than we'd seen up to that time.
354
00:46:16,167 --> 00:46:17,767
From that time period,
355
00:46:17,926 --> 00:46:21,447
the American Museum
of Natural history asked me
356
00:46:21,607 --> 00:46:26,168
if I was interested in studying
in the States for paleontology.
357
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:30,369
So I landed right in New York
when I left my country.
358
00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:34,449
Then one morning I was sitting
in the Upper West Side,
359
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:35,969
in a coffee shop.
360
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:38,691
There's a TV hanging
from the ceiling.
361
00:46:38,851 --> 00:46:40,490
On the screen comes a dinosaur.
362
00:46:41,251 --> 00:46:44,211
A rare dinosaur
skeleton is about to be sold.
363
00:46:44,371 --> 00:46:47,011
Discovered eight years ago
in the Gobi Desert,
364
00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:50,252
the Tyrannosaurus Bataar will
be auctioned off this weekend.
365
00:46:50,813 --> 00:46:53,972
Experts say it's one of the most
complete skeletons ever.
366
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:57,174
This is illegal!
There used to be a black market,
367
00:46:57,334 --> 00:46:59,734
now they think,
"Who would do anything to us?"
368
00:47:01,334 --> 00:47:03,414
I sent an email to Oyungerel,
369
00:47:03,695 --> 00:47:06,135
who was an advisor
to the president.
370
00:47:06,414 --> 00:47:10,336
She said,
"This is the Mongolian dinosaur!
371
00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:12,895
"Claim it, please,
as soon as possible."
372
00:47:13,055 --> 00:47:15,857
So I called my president,
and he said,
373
00:47:16,697 --> 00:47:20,337
"Oyungerel's talking
about dinosaurs?
374
00:47:20,976 --> 00:47:25,298
"You're supposed to advise me
on democracy and human rights!
375
00:47:25,457 --> 00:47:27,338
"What dinosaur
are you talking about?"
376
00:47:29,978 --> 00:47:31,498
I asked the president,
377
00:47:31,659 --> 00:47:33,098
"Could you please claim it?
378
00:47:33,259 --> 00:47:36,780
"You're the first person who can
claim anything for Mongolia.
379
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:39,099
"Please claim it."
380
00:47:41,741 --> 00:47:44,060
Today we do something
extraordinary.
381
00:47:44,221 --> 00:47:46,581
We return to the people
of Mongolia
382
00:47:46,742 --> 00:47:49,461
a 70 million year old dinosaur
383
00:47:49,621 --> 00:47:52,582
that was looted from the rocky
sands of the Gobi Desert.
384
00:47:52,743 --> 00:47:54,622
It is a Tyrannosaurus Bataar,
385
00:47:55,303 --> 00:47:57,343
a large, two-footed predator
386
00:47:57,502 --> 00:47:59,623
and cousin
of the Tyrannosaurus Rex.
387
00:47:59,784 --> 00:48:01,664
And under Mongolian law,
388
00:48:01,824 --> 00:48:03,583
never should have left
the country.
389
00:48:03,744 --> 00:48:06,544
How did a dinosaur skeleton
from the Gobi Desert
390
00:48:06,705 --> 00:48:08,464
end up in a New York
auction house
391
00:48:08,624 --> 00:48:11,146
where it sold for over
a million dollars?
392
00:48:11,306 --> 00:48:14,625
Theft, fraud and
misrepresentation, that's how.
393
00:49:07,474 --> 00:49:09,715
We can go back down this way.
394
00:49:10,235 --> 00:49:12,276
You're going to find
an easier way down.
395
00:49:12,435 --> 00:49:15,075
No, I'm not going to find
an easier way.
396
00:49:17,356 --> 00:49:18,677
Unless I fall down.
397
00:49:19,677 --> 00:49:23,637
In which case,
I'll get down quicker than you.
398
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,800
The water cut quite a hole here
many years ago.
399
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640
You see it up
on the higher hills up there.
400
00:49:42,801 --> 00:49:44,120
That's our good stuff.
401
00:49:44,281 --> 00:49:46,841
That's the prime
meandering river
402
00:49:47,681 --> 00:49:51,282
that produces nice skeletons.
403
00:49:55,442 --> 00:49:57,883
When a person
is collecting something,
404
00:49:58,522 --> 00:50:00,804
especially an isolated bone
like this,
405
00:50:00,963 --> 00:50:03,923
the intuitive thing to do
406
00:50:04,083 --> 00:50:07,245
is like everyone else
has done for hundreds of years,
407
00:50:07,644 --> 00:50:10,964
and that is to keep the bone
intact as well as possible.
408
00:50:11,644 --> 00:50:15,045
But the nice thing about it
409
00:50:16,645 --> 00:50:18,485
is that when it's broken open,
410
00:50:18,645 --> 00:50:21,767
you actually can get all kinds
of more information
411
00:50:21,926 --> 00:50:24,967
than you can if it was
just all glued together.
412
00:50:26,127 --> 00:50:28,087
I mean, just look out here.
413
00:50:28,248 --> 00:50:29,688
This is beautiful terrain
414
00:50:29,848 --> 00:50:33,289
and it tells just
incredible numbers of stories.
415
00:50:34,169 --> 00:50:36,968
Changing environments,
changing faunas.
416
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:40,410
It's all here,
all the information
417
00:50:41,129 --> 00:50:46,731
for looking at
this 78-million-year-old story.
418
00:50:46,891 --> 00:50:50,571
It's all here.
All you have to do is find it.
419
00:51:15,256 --> 00:51:17,095
Ninety percent of the time,
420
00:51:17,256 --> 00:51:19,897
the first question
anybody ever asks us is:
421
00:51:20,056 --> 00:51:22,897
"How much money do you make
off a dinosaur bone?"
422
00:51:23,857 --> 00:51:26,698
And I say,
"I don't sell dinosaur bones."
423
00:51:27,537 --> 00:51:29,178
It's not about the money.
424
00:51:29,338 --> 00:51:31,537
Do people ever just
come on your land
425
00:51:31,698 --> 00:51:33,899
that you don't know about?
- A lot!
426
00:51:34,299 --> 00:51:37,658
And we have kept this ground
427
00:51:37,819 --> 00:51:40,300
to where it's open for museums.
428
00:51:40,459 --> 00:51:42,780
The bones that are collected
go to museums
429
00:51:42,939 --> 00:51:45,060
where everybody can see them
430
00:51:45,221 --> 00:51:47,980
and not hidden
in somebody's basement.
431
00:51:48,421 --> 00:51:51,661
Long as I'm still walking
up and down these coolies,
432
00:51:51,822 --> 00:51:56,101
we're going to still
put dinosaur bones in museums
433
00:51:56,262 --> 00:51:59,062
and showcase them
to the whole world.
434
00:52:09,825 --> 00:52:13,144
Cultivating relationships with
landowners is really important
435
00:52:13,305 --> 00:52:15,545
because would you pass up
$8 million
436
00:52:15,706 --> 00:52:18,585
so a bunch of nerds
can know maybe
437
00:52:18,746 --> 00:52:21,307
how T-Rex maybe
did such-and-such?
438
00:52:21,466 --> 00:52:23,986
Like, who cares, right?
Like, $8 million!
439
00:52:27,828 --> 00:52:29,987
- Good morning!
- Good morning.
440
00:52:30,748 --> 00:52:32,388
So good to see you.
441
00:52:33,188 --> 00:52:34,468
Let me come give you a hug.
442
00:52:34,628 --> 00:52:36,588
We met in 2006,
443
00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:39,068
and I was camping
on your land...
444
00:52:39,229 --> 00:52:42,149
And I found a partial jaw
of a duckbill dinosaur.
445
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:45,310
But unfortunately,
I found it with a pick.
446
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,791
So it is now in several pieces,
but there's...
447
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:50,030
We get a good internal view
of it that way.
448
00:52:50,191 --> 00:52:51,991
Yeah, a good skilled preparator
449
00:52:52,151 --> 00:52:54,832
will make it look
like it never happened.
450
00:52:55,272 --> 00:52:57,071
Yeah, we really thank you
451
00:52:57,873 --> 00:53:00,992
for donating those fossils
to the museum.
452
00:53:01,152 --> 00:53:02,313
Oh, no problem.
453
00:53:02,472 --> 00:53:06,914
I just didn't want them
to go to private collectors.
454
00:53:07,473 --> 00:53:09,834
These people out here
are doing this for business.
455
00:53:10,474 --> 00:53:13,034
In this museum, more people
are going to see them
456
00:53:13,195 --> 00:53:16,075
than if they're with
a private collector's somewhere.
457
00:53:16,236 --> 00:53:18,035
Now, if you came up
with a T-Rex,
458
00:53:18,196 --> 00:53:20,716
then we're going to have
to start talking.
459
00:53:20,876 --> 00:53:22,277
Fair enough.
460
00:53:39,118 --> 00:53:41,880
Just the fact
of bringing the dinosaurs
461
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,479
into Paris
was a massive challenge.
462
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,160
The skull was able
to enter the door
463
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,401
by, I think, one centimetre.
464
00:54:07,997 --> 00:54:11,476
There's part of
the world that would say
465
00:54:11,636 --> 00:54:14,316
it's crazy that dinosaurs go
to the auction block.
466
00:54:14,475 --> 00:54:17,796
A lot of people don't
understand how it's possible.
467
00:54:18,555 --> 00:54:19,755
It's totally possible.
468
00:54:19,915 --> 00:54:22,715
Like, everything in this world
is for sale.
469
00:54:23,634 --> 00:54:26,553
But I don't know
how many millions
470
00:54:26,714 --> 00:54:28,234
is going to be the result.
471
00:54:28,394 --> 00:54:30,193
It can be two,
can be five.
472
00:54:30,353 --> 00:54:32,592
It depends
on what kind of clients
473
00:54:32,753 --> 00:54:34,671
stay up to the last second,
474
00:54:34,832 --> 00:54:38,551
and how irrational
they will become at one point.
475
00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:57,817
Growing up,
German was my mother tongue.
476
00:55:57,976 --> 00:56:00,736
And I went to a French school,
but I also learned
477
00:56:00,896 --> 00:56:04,055
the North African
Moroccan dialect of Arabic.
478
00:56:06,574 --> 00:56:08,815
Much of what we know
about dinosaurs is based
479
00:56:08,974 --> 00:56:11,933
on discoveries from places
like North America and Europe.
480
00:56:12,093 --> 00:56:15,492
But there's this one big
gaping hole in our knowledge,
481
00:56:15,652 --> 00:56:18,572
our planet's second largest
landmass, Africa.
482
00:56:19,893 --> 00:56:22,451
How do we get people
in places like Morocco
483
00:56:22,611 --> 00:56:24,491
excited about paleontology
484
00:56:24,651 --> 00:56:26,851
and interested
in their ancient heritage?
485
00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:28,650
Working with
Moroccan scientists,
486
00:56:28,811 --> 00:56:30,891
and most importantly,
their students,
487
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:32,730
we are telling
the story
488
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:35,330
of paleontology's
forgotten continent.
489
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:36,968
Ready?
490
00:56:37,128 --> 00:56:39,849
Come a little closer.
It can't bite you anymore.
491
00:56:42,047 --> 00:56:43,888
- Whoa.
- Look at this thing.
492
00:56:45,087 --> 00:56:47,807
When I think of Nizar,
I think Spinosaurus.
493
00:56:48,126 --> 00:56:51,207
Nizar is really the one
who has this incredible story
494
00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:54,605
of going back to Morocco
and hunting down
495
00:56:54,766 --> 00:56:56,565
where these fossils came from.
496
00:56:57,685 --> 00:56:59,004
This is 41.
497
00:56:59,564 --> 00:57:01,885
This is like
the very tip of the tail.
498
00:57:02,044 --> 00:57:03,284
Isn't that wild?
499
00:57:03,443 --> 00:57:05,244
There's a couple
of breaks here,
500
00:57:05,404 --> 00:57:07,204
but it's pretty
remarkable, right?
501
00:57:07,364 --> 00:57:08,883
The Spinosaurus story was
502
00:57:09,042 --> 00:57:12,163
basically the biggest
Morocco-related story ever.
503
00:57:15,242 --> 00:57:17,882
This thing is possibly
bigger than T-Rex.
504
00:57:18,041 --> 00:57:19,361
Giant sail on its back.
505
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,761
Really strange jaws, you know.
506
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,119
But you can't help think
of it as almost...
507
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,680
I don't want to say it's like
your pet, but you feel like,
508
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,638
"This is my dinosaur."
509
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:34,678
Because you spend years
and years poring over the bones
510
00:57:34,838 --> 00:57:37,957
and trying to flesh it out
in your mind.
511
00:57:40,317 --> 00:57:46,035
It looks so real and majestic.
512
00:57:46,995 --> 00:57:51,114
And, um, it's everything
I was hoping it would be
513
00:57:51,275 --> 00:57:53,275
and a lot more.
514
00:58:36,546 --> 00:58:38,786
This is
the final resting place
515
00:58:38,945 --> 00:58:40,545
of our Spinosaurus.
516
00:58:42,786 --> 00:58:46,424
There were the leg bones
and the foot bones, the hips.
517
00:58:46,584 --> 00:58:49,864
So I suspect that since the
back half was almost complete,
518
00:58:50,023 --> 00:58:52,463
I'm pretty sure the front half
is also almost complete.
519
00:58:52,623 --> 00:58:55,223
That means there are still some
things hidden in here.
520
00:58:55,383 --> 00:58:57,542
We've got to take out
this whole chunk here.
521
00:58:57,703 --> 00:59:00,262
And I hope that we can
get everything out
522
00:59:00,981 --> 00:59:02,541
before these guys do.
523
00:59:02,702 --> 00:59:04,781
Because this is the bad news.
524
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:07,420
When I just came up here
a moment ago,
525
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:09,861
I was looking at everything,
like, "Good, good."
526
00:59:10,019 --> 00:59:11,140
And then I saw this.
527
00:59:12,539 --> 00:59:14,459
Now we kind of have
to play detective
528
00:59:14,619 --> 00:59:16,859
and try to figure out
what happened.
529
00:59:18,418 --> 00:59:20,537
Well, let's think about this.
530
00:59:21,778 --> 00:59:23,417
They missed the layer.
531
00:59:24,338 --> 00:59:27,456
This does not look like
a successful attempt.
532
00:59:29,416 --> 00:59:30,976
It's worth so much more for us
533
00:59:31,136 --> 00:59:34,816
because it's part of this
amazing, unique skeleton.
534
00:59:34,975 --> 00:59:37,255
But to someone else,
it's just, you know...
535
00:59:37,414 --> 00:59:38,934
If someone else had found it,
536
00:59:39,094 --> 00:59:41,255
some commercial guy
might have just decided
537
00:59:41,414 --> 00:59:42,893
to sell it in chunks
538
00:59:43,053 --> 00:59:45,334
and say, "I'm going to sell
individual bones.
539
00:59:45,493 --> 00:59:46,533
"Maybe I'll get more
540
00:59:46,694 --> 00:59:49,813
"than if I sell
the whole skeleton, right?"
541
01:03:26,772 --> 01:03:28,491
That's their income.
542
01:03:28,652 --> 01:03:30,490
That's everything they have.
543
01:03:30,651 --> 01:03:33,450
I don't feel like I'm really
in a position to tell them
544
01:03:33,611 --> 01:03:35,849
what they can and can't do
545
01:03:36,009 --> 01:03:40,408
unless I can offer them
a viable economic alternative
546
01:03:40,568 --> 01:03:42,488
to feed their families.
547
01:03:57,606 --> 01:04:00,086
There's a certain sense
of anger.
548
01:04:01,245 --> 01:04:02,805
You feel a little powerless
549
01:04:03,325 --> 01:04:06,165
because there's really
not much you can do about it.
550
01:04:06,324 --> 01:04:08,523
You're kind of doing
everything you can
551
01:04:08,684 --> 01:04:11,043
to bring as many fossils
as you can
552
01:04:11,204 --> 01:04:13,083
into the world of science.
553
01:04:15,042 --> 01:04:16,603
But it's a moment where
554
01:04:16,763 --> 01:04:20,162
you kind of lose your innocence
to a certain extent.
555
01:06:18,699 --> 01:06:22,418
One day,
dinosaurs suddenly became
556
01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:24,457
an obsession, really.
557
01:06:27,098 --> 01:06:30,976
But it's almost like
possession or something,
558
01:06:31,137 --> 01:06:35,656
something that hijacks
your brain in some ways.
559
01:06:39,056 --> 01:06:40,894
But you're kind of growing up
560
01:06:41,055 --> 01:06:44,215
and you realize
that you'll have to fight
561
01:06:44,374 --> 01:06:47,333
a little harder
for your fossils.
562
01:07:42,323 --> 01:07:44,603
We have
a Triceratops horridus
563
01:07:44,763 --> 01:07:46,603
from the upper Hell Creek
Formation
564
01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:48,961
found in 2014 in South Dakota,
United States.
565
01:07:49,122 --> 01:07:51,881
It's a remarkable
Triceratops skeleton
566
01:07:52,042 --> 01:07:53,361
complete at 60%
567
01:07:53,521 --> 01:07:55,440
with a 75% complete skull
568
01:07:55,601 --> 01:07:59,081
from the world-renowned deposit
of the Hell Creek Formation.
569
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,679
That is really the last window
570
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,043
before
the dinosaur's extinction.
571
01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:57,055
This is going
to a private collection.
572
01:09:57,215 --> 01:09:58,536
How do you feel
about that?
573
01:09:58,696 --> 01:10:00,940
We still don't know
its final destination.
574
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:04,304
And anyway, even if it is going
to a private collection,
575
01:10:04,463 --> 01:10:08,228
we cannot in any way
limit the bids
576
01:10:08,388 --> 01:10:10,910
from certain individuals
or others.
577
01:10:11,071 --> 01:10:13,754
We could have preferences,
but, you know...
578
01:10:13,914 --> 01:10:15,716
It's just personal.
579
01:10:16,237 --> 01:10:19,361
We don't decide for the buyer.
580
01:10:23,286 --> 01:10:25,567
KTCC, it's the morning commute.
581
01:10:25,728 --> 01:10:28,891
We got your weather and news
for Tucson all day, every day.
582
01:10:30,174 --> 01:10:32,776
All right, here's that time
of year again,
583
01:10:33,497 --> 01:10:36,741
Get ready for the largest gem,
mineral and fossils show
584
01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,144
in the world
right here in Tucson, Arizona.
585
01:10:40,585 --> 01:10:44,230
They're saying this year
they're expecting 65,000 people
586
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:46,752
from all over the world.
Holy!
587
01:10:46,912 --> 01:10:49,716
Watch yourselves
on that morning commute.
588
01:10:50,077 --> 01:10:53,241
It's spread out
15 miles wide.
589
01:10:53,921 --> 01:10:58,447
And it's in motels, hotels
stadiums.
590
01:10:58,846 --> 01:11:01,170
There's people
from all over the world her.
591
01:11:11,302 --> 01:11:14,225
If I'm not here, people think
I'm dead or in jail.
592
01:11:14,506 --> 01:11:17,829
Oh no, no! Not you!
Not the "ooh lĂ lĂ " man!
593
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:21,314
- You are not happy to see me?
- I'm always happy to see you!
594
01:11:21,673 --> 01:11:23,156
Hello again!
595
01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:38,012
Hello George.
How are you today?
596
01:11:38,174 --> 01:11:39,694
- François, how are you?
- Well.
597
01:11:39,854 --> 01:11:42,058
- Good to see you again.
- Yes, it's a pleasure.
598
01:11:42,218 --> 01:11:45,262
The skull is 90-plus percent,
all the cervical vertebrae.
599
01:11:45,422 --> 01:11:46,823
- The cervical?
- Perfect.
600
01:11:46,983 --> 01:11:49,347
The vertebrae all the way
back to the tail, perfect.
601
01:11:49,507 --> 01:11:51,069
Oh, and the price?
602
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:53,111
- It's 150,000.
- 150? Ooh!
603
01:11:53,871 --> 01:11:58,277
And for you, François,
I can bring the price down 20%
604
01:11:58,437 --> 01:12:00,440
to 120,000,
something like that.
605
01:12:00,799 --> 01:12:03,602
You have the sketch,
you can send me by email?
606
01:12:03,762 --> 01:12:05,405
You mean the rest of it?
607
01:12:05,566 --> 01:12:08,209
Or I'll come back later
and you prepare the folder.
608
01:12:08,369 --> 01:12:09,370
No problem.
609
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:11,092
I finish my tour of the show.
610
01:12:11,252 --> 01:12:13,215
Okay François.
See you later, buddy.
611
01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:15,696
- Wonderful to see you. Bye.
- Take care, François.
612
01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:27,671
That's nice.
613
01:12:27,951 --> 01:12:30,475
It's restored here, this part.
614
01:12:30,634 --> 01:12:33,158
Yeah, there's a little bit
of restoration there.
615
01:12:39,725 --> 01:12:41,767
Nice pieces.
Okay.
616
01:12:42,249 --> 01:12:44,851
And how much is the price?
- Forty thousand.
617
01:12:56,385 --> 01:12:59,228
You know that
we have some trouble because
618
01:12:59,668 --> 01:13:02,192
some people in the state
don't understand what we do.
619
01:13:02,352 --> 01:13:05,636
Yeah, and I think through life,
620
01:13:05,795 --> 01:13:08,839
if you never have any trouble,
you haven't done anything.
621
01:13:08,999 --> 01:13:10,602
Yes!
622
01:13:11,001 --> 01:13:13,525
Okay, see you.
- Nice to see you again.
623
01:13:18,491 --> 01:13:20,893
Triceratops
is always attractive.
624
01:13:21,053 --> 01:13:25,499
It's a question of price.
I don't know the price.
625
01:13:25,659 --> 01:13:27,622
- Seven.
- Seven for the pair?
626
01:13:27,781 --> 01:13:29,464
That's correct. Really.
627
01:13:30,225 --> 01:13:32,507
But it's up to you
to make a good presentation,
628
01:13:32,668 --> 01:13:34,470
maybe with iron steel,
629
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:37,233
maybe if you have artists
who work with the iron.
630
01:13:37,393 --> 01:13:39,235
You can make
really amazing things.
631
01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:04,144
What do
we have here?
632
01:14:04,305 --> 01:14:06,106
This is from Germany.
633
01:14:06,947 --> 01:14:10,111
It's kind of this legendary,
infamous place, right?
634
01:14:10,272 --> 01:14:13,435
Because sometimes you read
about the shipment of fossils
635
01:14:13,596 --> 01:14:16,078
that has been intercepted
on its way to Tucson
636
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,081
or someone tried to smuggle
something into the United States
637
01:14:19,242 --> 01:14:20,484
to sell it at Tucson.
638
01:14:23,006 --> 01:14:24,167
What?
639
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:27,692
Did I read this right?
I mean...
640
01:14:29,814 --> 01:14:32,897
You know, there's a history
of dodgy business.
641
01:14:33,459 --> 01:14:36,061
But then at the same time,
it's kind of an open secret,
642
01:14:36,221 --> 01:14:38,585
all the big museums
are sending someone there
643
01:14:38,745 --> 01:14:40,786
and buying things.
644
01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:46,794
I was wondering where
the fish fossils are from.
645
01:14:46,954 --> 01:14:49,156
- From Lebanon.
- From Lebanon, okay.
646
01:14:49,317 --> 01:14:51,920
From the Cenomanian Age.
647
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,645
Okay. Yeah. That's an
amazing place for fish.
648
01:14:55,804 --> 01:14:59,008
You are in Tucson for
the conference this evening?
649
01:14:59,168 --> 01:15:02,333
No, I'm doing
a National Geographic show.
650
01:15:02,493 --> 01:15:03,614
Yes, okay.
651
01:15:04,054 --> 01:15:05,896
At the Fox Tucson Theater,
652
01:15:06,056 --> 01:15:07,499
and it just so happened that
653
01:15:07,659 --> 01:15:10,061
this was happening
at the same time.
654
01:15:11,744 --> 01:15:13,905
Nizar
believes that the world
655
01:15:14,065 --> 01:15:16,869
is still full of undiscovered,
ancient treasures
656
01:15:17,029 --> 01:15:18,392
and prehistoric wonders.
657
01:15:18,552 --> 01:15:20,674
You just have to know
where to look.
658
01:15:21,114 --> 01:15:22,876
And tonight, he'll show us.
659
01:15:23,036 --> 01:15:25,239
Please welcome Nizar Ibrahim.
660
01:15:39,135 --> 01:15:42,979
So tonight,
I'm going to take you
661
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:45,423
on a journey back in time,
662
01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:49,988
100 million years into the past.
663
01:15:55,595 --> 01:15:58,197
I always tell
all my expedition team members
664
01:15:58,358 --> 01:16:01,201
to collect every little fragment
of fossil they find.
665
01:16:01,362 --> 01:16:02,883
Because at the end of the day,
666
01:16:03,043 --> 01:16:04,885
what we're really trying
to do here
667
01:16:05,045 --> 01:16:07,369
is we're trying to
reconstruct and resurrect
668
01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:09,210
an entire ancient ecosystem.
669
01:16:09,371 --> 01:16:13,015
So every little fossil
is an important piece.
670
01:17:38,716 --> 01:17:40,838
Okay, wait a minute.
671
01:17:59,379 --> 01:18:02,423
So we're finding
little vertebrae like this
672
01:18:03,384 --> 01:18:06,267
that are just very delicate
little fossils,
673
01:18:06,427 --> 01:18:07,710
very hard to find.
674
01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:10,633
And the kind of things that
people here in Hell Creek
675
01:18:10,794 --> 01:18:12,556
haven't been looking for,
you know?
676
01:18:12,716 --> 01:18:15,158
Everybody wants a T-Rex
or a Tric.
677
01:18:18,361 --> 01:18:22,007
Triceratops goes extinct
shortly after these deposits
678
01:18:22,166 --> 01:18:24,690
that we are working in right now
were formed.
679
01:18:25,330 --> 01:18:26,933
This is the end Cretaceous.
680
01:18:27,092 --> 01:18:28,453
This is what life was like
681
01:18:28,614 --> 01:18:31,297
before it gets wiped out
in the fifth mass extinction.
682
01:18:31,457 --> 01:18:34,100
So looking at these smaller
animals that do survive
683
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:36,302
can maybe also
help us understand
684
01:18:36,463 --> 01:18:39,346
why certain groups survived
and others didn't.
685
01:18:41,469 --> 01:18:43,431
And that's super important
right now,
686
01:18:43,592 --> 01:18:45,674
because we are living
in a mass extinction
687
01:18:45,835 --> 01:18:47,797
caused by us.
688
01:18:51,001 --> 01:18:53,724
So we're going
to not only understand
689
01:18:53,884 --> 01:18:56,126
who is going to survive
this mass extinction,
690
01:18:56,286 --> 01:18:59,530
but also understand how we can
minimize the impact.
691
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:04,697
This is why it's really
important not only for us
692
01:19:04,857 --> 01:19:08,220
to look at macro evolutionary
patterns using paleontology,
693
01:19:08,380 --> 01:19:11,464
but especially right now to look
at mass extinction events
694
01:19:11,625 --> 01:19:14,387
and how certain groups
respond to them.
695
01:19:27,282 --> 01:19:29,245
Okay. Your hands.
696
01:19:40,297 --> 01:19:41,940
- What did you find?
- A scale.
697
01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:45,024
- A scale?
- Yes, it's beautiful.
698
01:19:46,144 --> 01:19:48,949
It's so nicely preserved too.
Holy shit.
699
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:52,472
- Perfect.
- That's so cool!
700
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:19,223
My brother
is a paleontologist.
701
01:20:19,383 --> 01:20:24,229
He would go with my dad
for Russian expeditions.
702
01:20:26,191 --> 01:20:29,635
But then when my dad was asked
to make a geology map
703
01:20:29,796 --> 01:20:32,479
by the American Museum
of Natural History,
704
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,805
he asked if he could bring me
for the expedition.
705
01:20:37,645 --> 01:20:39,127
The Mongolian colleague said,
706
01:20:39,287 --> 01:20:41,529
"If she is coming,
she will be a cook."
707
01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:45,054
I said, "I'm a paleontologist.
I'm not a cook."
708
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:10,034
It changed so much, this place.
709
01:22:24,211 --> 01:22:27,094
There's a lot
of expectation that
710
01:22:27,254 --> 01:22:29,656
because he was
in the same profession,
711
01:22:29,817 --> 01:22:33,621
people expect that I would
continue what he was doing.
712
01:22:34,422 --> 01:22:37,066
And I say, I can't do that.
713
01:22:37,585 --> 01:22:41,470
Because I was doing
a lot of things, also.
714
01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:43,994
I have to finish what I'm doing.
715
01:22:44,154 --> 01:22:46,716
I can't take
another person's load on me
716
01:22:46,877 --> 01:22:49,639
and do all that stuff,
that's impossible.
717
01:22:50,721 --> 01:22:53,404
I can't fill his space.
718
01:23:35,693 --> 01:23:37,937
My great uncle
really wanted
719
01:23:38,097 --> 01:23:40,900
this collaboration
to be equal.
720
01:23:42,102 --> 01:23:43,944
Mongolia should benefit.
721
01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:49,190
The more I learn about
Andrews's expedition,
722
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:53,115
the more I realize
that this is just not right.
723
01:23:55,717 --> 01:24:01,324
I want those fossils
to be back in Mongolia.
724
01:24:02,605 --> 01:24:03,886
Have to!
725
01:24:06,449 --> 01:24:09,573
What is the point spending
all these years and effort
726
01:24:09,733 --> 01:24:13,778
and sacrifice my family
and myself and my profession.
727
01:24:14,619 --> 01:24:18,264
Gosh, I can't just sit there.
I have to do something.
728
01:24:21,348 --> 01:24:22,508
Oh, hi!
729
01:24:23,629 --> 01:24:25,393
Sorry, I'm late!
730
01:24:27,275 --> 01:24:28,475
Hi, I'm Bolor.
731
01:24:28,635 --> 01:24:30,878
Nice to meet you
finally in person.
732
01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:34,482
In our educational projects,
especially based on dinosaurs,
733
01:24:34,642 --> 01:24:39,409
we really need to teach our
younger kids about paleontology.
734
01:32:17,586 --> 01:32:20,830
They're all one
hatching? I mean, one clutch?
735
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:23,753
They're probably from
a couple of different clutches.
736
01:32:24,113 --> 01:32:25,996
We think
there might be a difference
737
01:32:26,155 --> 01:32:27,638
in the spinal nerves
738
01:32:27,798 --> 01:32:29,439
at the end of an alligator tail
739
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,282
as opposed to the spinal nerves
at the end of a bird tail.
740
01:32:32,442 --> 01:32:35,085
And I think that there's
a developmental link
741
01:32:35,246 --> 01:32:37,088
between the formation
of spinal nerves
742
01:32:37,248 --> 01:32:39,652
and the formation
of this pica -style structure.
743
01:32:40,372 --> 01:32:43,215
So we need the alligators
to look at spinal nerves
744
01:32:43,375 --> 01:32:45,899
because they're just like
the ancestral condition
745
01:32:46,058 --> 01:32:48,061
of a long-tailed reptile.
- Yup.
746
01:32:48,863 --> 01:32:49,784
Yes.
747
01:32:49,944 --> 01:32:52,627
So maybe we could
get a tail to grow.
748
01:32:52,787 --> 01:32:54,950
If we can figure out
the differences,
749
01:32:55,109 --> 01:32:57,873
if we can figure out that link,
I have an idea.
750
01:33:06,202 --> 01:33:07,403
Birds are dinosaurs.
751
01:33:08,404 --> 01:33:10,968
If we find
these atavistic genes,
752
01:33:11,128 --> 01:33:12,690
these ancestral genes,
753
01:33:12,851 --> 01:33:14,091
and reverse them,
754
01:33:15,212 --> 01:33:18,017
we should be able
to make a dinosaur.
755
01:33:24,785 --> 01:33:27,347
We had started
the whole thing in 93, right?
756
01:33:27,507 --> 01:33:28,709
Jurassic Park.
757
01:33:28,869 --> 01:33:31,753
Michael Crichton had come up
with a pretty novel way
758
01:33:31,913 --> 01:33:33,554
of bringing dinosaurs back.
759
01:33:34,596 --> 01:33:38,080
And that was finding DNA
in ancient blood
760
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,363
preserved in insects
trapped in amber.
761
01:33:42,484 --> 01:33:45,929
We didn't know whether
we could find DNA.
762
01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:49,694
We finally got to B. Rex,
our Tyrannosaurus.
763
01:33:49,854 --> 01:33:53,457
That's where we got most
of the good soft tissues.
764
01:33:53,618 --> 01:33:55,259
We still didn't get DNA.
765
01:34:00,185 --> 01:34:04,111
It was right around that time
that George Lucas visited
766
01:34:04,270 --> 01:34:06,272
and came out
in the field with us
767
01:34:06,432 --> 01:34:08,075
and gave a $1,000,000 donation
768
01:34:08,876 --> 01:34:10,517
for anything I wanted to do.
769
01:34:10,678 --> 01:34:13,240
And so I told him
I wanted to see
770
01:34:13,401 --> 01:34:16,085
if we could make a dinosaur.
771
01:34:18,968 --> 01:34:21,250
You can't bring back
ancestral characters
772
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:22,652
unless the ancestors exist.
773
01:34:23,492 --> 01:34:26,016
There's no better proof
of evolution.
774
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:30,942
The general public
generally says,
775
01:34:31,302 --> 01:34:33,464
"Why would you want to do that?"
776
01:34:33,624 --> 01:34:35,748
You know, my philosophy is:
777
01:34:35,908 --> 01:34:38,590
we should know everything
there is to know.
778
01:34:51,727 --> 01:34:53,207
And the end goal?
779
01:34:53,367 --> 01:34:54,770
To use all of our data
780
01:34:54,930 --> 01:34:58,174
to get as much information about
dinosaurs as living animals
781
01:34:58,333 --> 01:34:59,856
as we possibly can.
782
01:35:00,616 --> 01:35:03,140
And, you know,
783
01:35:03,499 --> 01:35:06,303
have a little baby dinosaur
running around!
784
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,844
Fossils are essentially
like ghosts from deep time.
785
01:35:29,851 --> 01:35:34,897
You use these ghosts
to resurrect an entire world.
786
01:35:39,863 --> 01:35:41,905
And so when I stand
in the Sahara,
787
01:35:42,066 --> 01:35:44,068
I don't just see rocks.
788
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:50,075
I see a vast river system.
789
01:35:52,317 --> 01:35:54,359
I see a pair of Spinosaurus
790
01:35:54,519 --> 01:35:57,003
patrolling
these ancient waterways.
791
01:35:58,324 --> 01:36:01,728
I see giant flying reptiles
soaring in the skies.
792
01:36:04,331 --> 01:36:07,414
The things you visualize
in your mind,
793
01:36:09,257 --> 01:36:11,299
they were really there.
794
01:36:17,267 --> 01:36:20,630
That's when you understand
the concept of deep time.
795
01:36:21,391 --> 01:36:24,434
Astronomy shows us
how small we are in space.
796
01:36:24,594 --> 01:36:28,399
Paleontology shows us
how small we are in time,
797
01:36:28,559 --> 01:36:31,563
and the slice of time
that we call the present
798
01:36:31,723 --> 01:36:35,168
is really just this
fleeting little thing, right?
799
01:36:37,329 --> 01:36:40,733
If there's one thing
we've learned from paleontology.
800
01:36:41,494 --> 01:36:44,738
it's that no species
lasts forever.
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