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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:03:33,494 --> 00:03:35,815 Right now we are in the middle 4 00:03:35,975 --> 00:03:37,614 of the river of Giants. 5 00:03:37,774 --> 00:03:39,456 This was a big river system, 6 00:03:39,615 --> 00:03:42,375 very tropical and refreshing, 7 00:03:42,536 --> 00:03:45,696 and it was home to many different giant predato. 8 00:03:46,416 --> 00:03:49,296 If we were just traveling back in time now to this place, 9 00:03:49,456 --> 00:03:51,615 a hundred million years into the past, 10 00:03:51,775 --> 00:03:56,055 we would see these giant crocs, flying reptiles, 11 00:03:56,215 --> 00:03:57,775 big predatory fish, 12 00:03:57,935 --> 00:04:00,376 huge predatory dinosaurs behind us. 13 00:04:00,535 --> 00:04:02,296 So essentially what I'm saying is 14 00:04:02,457 --> 00:04:05,497 there would be many different ways for us to die 15 00:04:05,656 --> 00:04:07,896 in this ancient ecosystem, right? 16 00:04:13,536 --> 00:04:16,377 Paleontology is the science of ancient life. 17 00:04:16,976 --> 00:04:20,096 And dinosaurs play a very prominent role in this story. 18 00:04:21,177 --> 00:04:23,257 Many of the things we worry about now, 19 00:04:23,416 --> 00:04:25,818 like biodiversity loss, extinction events, 20 00:04:25,977 --> 00:04:29,537 climate change, sea level rise, dinosaurs have seen it all. 21 00:04:31,178 --> 00:04:35,977 Understanding the past is extremely important 22 00:04:36,138 --> 00:04:38,378 for our understanding our future. 23 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:41,537 Almost certainly vertebral. 24 00:04:43,217 --> 00:04:46,138 Did you take a picture of it? We'll match it later on. 25 00:04:48,858 --> 00:04:52,218 There's something really amazing about holding a real fossil. 26 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:54,858 The sequence of events that has to occur 27 00:04:55,139 --> 00:04:57,939 for an organism to become a fossil is pretty extraordinar, 28 00:04:58,098 --> 00:05:00,978 especially when you talk about things like dinosaurs. 29 00:05:02,218 --> 00:05:05,218 Fossils are like sacred objects in some ways. 30 00:06:25,902 --> 00:06:27,902 No commercial diggers today. 31 00:06:28,063 --> 00:06:29,982 They come in the back way. 32 00:06:31,063 --> 00:06:33,422 I don't see any today. 33 00:06:37,943 --> 00:06:39,782 A fossil in the rock 34 00:06:40,623 --> 00:06:45,303 has a number of positions in time and spac. 35 00:06:45,464 --> 00:06:48,903 It has a geographic position on our Earth now, 36 00:06:49,064 --> 00:06:51,584 and it also, when the animal died, 37 00:06:51,743 --> 00:06:54,184 had a geographic position on the Earth 38 00:06:54,343 --> 00:06:56,423 that is actually different than it is now. 39 00:06:59,983 --> 00:07:03,824 Sometimes, some commercial collectors find a specimen. 40 00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:06,145 I don't know for sure that 41 00:07:06,304 --> 00:07:08,505 they collect them where they say they did 42 00:07:08,664 --> 00:07:11,304 because they don't have any reason to tell you. 43 00:07:11,465 --> 00:07:15,224 And they don't keep particularly good scientific records of them. 44 00:07:15,385 --> 00:07:18,904 And I don't really trust them to keep very good records 45 00:07:19,065 --> 00:07:23,025 because they're only interested in money. 46 00:07:33,586 --> 00:07:35,865 The commercialization of dinosaurs 47 00:07:36,026 --> 00:07:37,826 is creating this whole thing. 48 00:07:37,985 --> 00:07:41,345 One philosophy is, you're interested in the science. 49 00:07:41,506 --> 00:07:44,305 And the other is that you're interested in money. 50 00:07:44,466 --> 00:07:48,105 You know, there's people who have no scruples. 51 00:07:49,305 --> 00:07:52,467 They're selling for millions of dollars worldwide, right? 52 00:07:52,627 --> 00:07:55,306 Millions of dollars are millions of dollars. 53 00:07:55,467 --> 00:07:57,986 What would you do for a million dollars? 54 00:12:10,598 --> 00:12:14,157 In Morocco, fossils disappear all the time. 55 00:12:19,798 --> 00:12:22,838 We're now on a mission, a race against time, 56 00:12:22,997 --> 00:12:26,799 trying to see how many of these treasures 57 00:12:26,959 --> 00:12:29,358 we can rescue for science. 58 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,399 I got pictures 59 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,519 of an amazing saw skate skeleton. 60 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,080 But there's this parallel world that exists here, 61 00:12:55,239 --> 00:12:57,039 and that's of course the world 62 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,519 of fossil trade and fossil hunters. 63 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:03,239 If you don't figure out a way real fast, 64 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:08,921 then it's going to be offered to a range of middlemen 65 00:13:09,081 --> 00:13:11,961 and big-time fossil dealers, 66 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,240 and they'll just snatch it away, and you'll never see it again. 67 00:14:06,362 --> 00:14:10,642 So we're about halfway through 68 00:14:11,843 --> 00:14:16,362 an underground tunnel that leads to the Onchopristis si. 69 00:14:16,843 --> 00:14:19,043 It's about 15 meters in 70 00:14:19,204 --> 00:14:21,484 and it's very, very narrow, as you can see. 71 00:14:21,643 --> 00:14:25,363 I can barely fit through these openings. 72 00:14:25,924 --> 00:14:27,283 But it's extremely narrow. 73 00:14:27,444 --> 00:14:30,763 It just goes to show, when you see these specimens in museums, 74 00:14:30,924 --> 00:14:32,964 or you know, collections, 75 00:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,684 you don't realize how much incredibly hard work 76 00:14:35,844 --> 00:14:37,564 has gone into digging them up. 77 00:14:37,724 --> 00:14:40,325 It's really mind-blowing. This is very dangerous work. 78 00:14:40,485 --> 00:14:43,404 Some of these things, I can break them just with my hand. 79 00:14:43,565 --> 00:14:46,404 And there's an enormous amount of rock on top of me. 80 00:14:46,565 --> 00:14:50,845 Every now and then, these things collapse and bury people alive. 81 00:14:52,004 --> 00:14:54,164 So we've got several people in here now 82 00:14:54,524 --> 00:14:56,325 just to make sure we know 83 00:14:56,485 --> 00:14:58,685 exactly where this specimen was found. 84 00:14:58,845 --> 00:15:01,805 We now have the exact spot 85 00:15:01,965 --> 00:15:03,806 and we've got the GPS coordinates. 86 00:15:03,966 --> 00:15:07,606 So I think that's a wrap for today. 87 00:15:27,847 --> 00:15:29,046 That's wild. 88 00:15:31,406 --> 00:15:34,847 The amount of detail is just crazy 89 00:15:35,006 --> 00:15:37,526 considering where this thing was found. 90 00:15:51,527 --> 00:15:54,287 This one needs some really careful prep, 91 00:15:54,448 --> 00:15:56,688 but when this thing is fully prepped, 92 00:15:56,848 --> 00:15:59,568 it's going to be the Mona Lisa of sclerorhynchids. 93 00:16:01,007 --> 00:16:05,047 The most important thing is: it's here. 94 00:16:05,968 --> 00:16:09,007 It's not in someone's living room. 95 00:16:09,167 --> 00:16:11,209 It is in someone's living room! 96 00:16:12,008 --> 00:16:14,408 But just for the time being. 97 00:16:15,609 --> 00:16:17,809 We have to remember that even today, 98 00:16:17,969 --> 00:16:21,209 almost all big discoveries are made by amateurs, 99 00:16:21,368 --> 00:16:22,729 not by PhD scientists. 100 00:16:22,888 --> 00:16:24,209 And it's so easy to say, 101 00:16:24,368 --> 00:16:26,408 I don't want anything to do with this. 102 00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:28,089 It's usually still a good idea 103 00:16:28,248 --> 00:16:31,648 to keep channels of communication. 104 00:16:31,809 --> 00:16:35,009 There are people here all year long, 105 00:16:35,169 --> 00:16:36,649 tens of thousands of them, 106 00:16:36,810 --> 00:16:40,409 collecting fossils, you know, throughout the country. 107 00:16:43,129 --> 00:16:45,610 They know that we care about these fossils 108 00:16:45,889 --> 00:16:50,170 in a way that none of the commercial dealers do. 109 00:21:22,541 --> 00:21:25,061 The Gobi hasn't changed much 110 00:21:25,222 --> 00:21:28,182 since the time of dinosaurs. 111 00:21:29,341 --> 00:21:33,143 Mongolian fossils are really well-preserved, 112 00:21:33,302 --> 00:21:36,943 almost like the animal died just yesterday. 113 00:21:42,223 --> 00:21:45,582 Our family has a long history with paleontology. 114 00:21:48,022 --> 00:21:52,463 My father was a paleontologist, my brother is a paleontologist, 115 00:21:53,184 --> 00:21:55,664 and I'm a paleontologist. 116 00:21:57,063 --> 00:22:00,343 But also, our great uncle 117 00:22:00,504 --> 00:22:03,464 worked on Roy Chapman Andrews's expedition 118 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:05,783 that was collecting fossils. 119 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:17,145 The American Museum of Natural History, back in 1920, 120 00:22:17,304 --> 00:22:19,465 they sent out multiple large expeditions 121 00:22:19,624 --> 00:22:21,225 to different continents. 122 00:22:22,385 --> 00:22:27,264 One of them was an expedition led by Roy Chapman Andrews. 123 00:22:27,864 --> 00:22:30,505 He was a scientist at the museum. 124 00:22:31,225 --> 00:22:34,304 At some point, he was the director of the museum too. 125 00:22:34,584 --> 00:22:39,025 They were three years in Mongolia collecting dinosaurs. 126 00:22:39,986 --> 00:22:43,146 They actually made quite a bit of collection. 127 00:22:44,986 --> 00:22:48,906 They discovered the first dinosaur nest in the world. 128 00:22:49,065 --> 00:22:51,146 It all came to New York. 129 00:22:51,305 --> 00:22:53,825 It never went back to Mongolia. 130 00:22:56,426 --> 00:22:59,466 I don't know, this institution probably thinks they own it. 131 00:22:59,625 --> 00:23:01,747 But then, if you think about it, 132 00:23:01,907 --> 00:23:05,066 it's basically the property of Mongolia. 133 00:23:07,266 --> 00:23:11,387 Once a fossil leaves, knowledge leaves with it. 134 00:23:12,187 --> 00:23:13,987 We are losing out. 135 00:23:14,907 --> 00:23:18,427 All of these years, Mongolians have been losers. 136 00:23:19,227 --> 00:23:20,387 And me. 137 00:23:22,187 --> 00:23:27,347 My biggest dream is that all dinosaurs go back to Mongolia. 138 00:24:10,629 --> 00:24:14,150 Hi. Well, thank you very much. 139 00:24:14,629 --> 00:24:16,430 For letting us know. 140 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:20,510 Because we really welcome tourists to visit fossil sit, 141 00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:23,710 but the fossils are too rich, anybody can find them. 142 00:24:23,869 --> 00:24:27,430 At the same time, we have a poaching problem going on. 143 00:24:27,589 --> 00:24:29,589 So you actually found a nest. 144 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:33,830 I see there's four or five more eggs in it. 145 00:24:33,991 --> 00:24:38,391 Usually an egg nest has a little over 20 eggs. 146 00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:41,790 The ranger in charge of this area, she can keep it. 147 00:24:41,951 --> 00:24:44,270 Because we don't have a dinosaur museum. 148 00:24:44,431 --> 00:24:46,471 - Oh. - Yeah, that's the problem. 149 00:24:56,031 --> 00:24:59,192 This is the rock, this is the dirt sediment. 150 00:24:59,351 --> 00:25:00,871 This is bone. 151 00:25:03,111 --> 00:25:04,752 Bone is not really rock. 152 00:25:04,912 --> 00:25:07,152 What happens over 153 00:25:07,311 --> 00:25:10,152 the hundreds of thousands or millions of years 154 00:25:10,311 --> 00:25:14,392 is that inside all that bone is marrow cavity. 155 00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:16,791 There's space where blood vessels went through it. 156 00:25:16,952 --> 00:25:19,552 As the soft tissues rot away, 157 00:25:19,713 --> 00:25:23,433 those spaces are filled in with another mineral, 158 00:25:23,592 --> 00:25:25,193 so it makes it heavy. 159 00:25:25,352 --> 00:25:29,272 But the cool thing is that we can actually cut it open 160 00:25:30,032 --> 00:25:35,473 and get information about how the animal grew. 161 00:25:35,632 --> 00:25:37,592 And that's what we do here. 162 00:25:39,673 --> 00:25:43,553 We have a past history, and it is extraordinary. 163 00:25:44,113 --> 00:25:50,073 I mean, it's 4.5 billion years of just incredible stories. 164 00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:55,754 It was the 90s. 165 00:25:55,914 --> 00:25:57,954 A colleague of mine called me up and said, 166 00:25:58,113 --> 00:25:59,434 "Jack, you're in a book. 167 00:25:59,593 --> 00:26:01,353 "It's called Jurassic Park." 168 00:26:01,514 --> 00:26:04,074 And I said, "I hope I didn't get eaten!" 169 00:26:05,995 --> 00:26:09,515 Sometime later, Steven Spielberg called me up and said, 170 00:26:09,675 --> 00:26:11,955 "I'm making Jurassic Park as a movie. 171 00:26:12,114 --> 00:26:15,475 "Would you be interested in being the technical advisor?" 172 00:26:15,634 --> 00:26:19,074 And he said, "By the way, you're in the movie." 173 00:26:20,874 --> 00:26:23,395 He wanted me to spend some time with Sam Neill, 174 00:26:23,554 --> 00:26:24,755 who would play my character, 175 00:26:24,915 --> 00:26:28,075 so Sam could see what a paleontologist was like in life. 176 00:26:31,516 --> 00:26:34,196 I went from having two or three students 177 00:26:34,355 --> 00:26:38,396 to having 18 students after Jurassic Park. 178 00:26:39,795 --> 00:26:44,956 Prior to Jurassic Park, I had maybe 25% female students. 179 00:26:45,756 --> 00:26:49,836 And after Jurassic Park, it was and continues to be about 50/50. 180 00:27:28,438 --> 00:27:32,077 That's an atlas-axis complex from an amphibian. 181 00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:33,877 Oh, cool! 182 00:27:34,479 --> 00:27:35,798 Good job! 183 00:27:35,959 --> 00:27:37,598 You can see the double condyles 184 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,078 where it attaches to the occipital condyle. 185 00:27:40,239 --> 00:27:41,919 So that is the occipital condyle! 186 00:27:42,078 --> 00:27:44,318 - Hey, you have to catalog it. - I already did. 187 00:27:47,318 --> 00:27:49,558 GPSed it and everything. 188 00:27:50,118 --> 00:27:53,519 It's good luck to hold the bone until you find the next one. 189 00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:54,878 Yeah, I love to do that. 190 00:27:55,038 --> 00:27:57,319 I've just never seen anything like that before. 191 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,639 Obviously I don't know shit from Shinola about amphibians. 192 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,200 Not every fossil is scientifically valuable. 193 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,279 And there is not room in all the museums in the world 194 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,004 to house every fossil. 195 00:28:12,447 --> 00:28:14,890 Being able to have the excitement of having 196 00:28:15,051 --> 00:28:17,496 a trace of an animal that lived millions of years ago, 197 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:19,459 it's fascinating, it gets people excited 198 00:28:19,619 --> 00:28:21,302 about the natural world, about science. 199 00:28:21,463 --> 00:28:23,586 But I think it is really important 200 00:28:23,747 --> 00:28:27,994 that we should protect scientifically valuable fossils. 201 00:28:30,157 --> 00:28:30,959 Fucking hell! 202 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,685 So if you're just some rich guy who wants to have 203 00:28:34,845 --> 00:28:38,411 a triceratops skull behind your desk in your office 204 00:28:38,573 --> 00:28:40,335 to intimidate people or whatever, 205 00:28:40,496 --> 00:28:43,701 I think we should create some kind of scientific committee 206 00:28:43,861 --> 00:28:47,107 that every time somebody's like, "Hey, that fossil is important, 207 00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:49,190 "it should not go into private hands," 208 00:28:49,351 --> 00:28:53,038 the committee could review it and be like "yes" or "no". 209 00:28:57,685 --> 00:29:02,495 Dinosaur Provincial Park is a place in the middle of Alberta 210 00:29:02,654 --> 00:29:04,938 known since the late 1800s 211 00:29:05,099 --> 00:29:08,664 as being a good source for dinosaur bones. 212 00:29:09,106 --> 00:29:12,391 Alberta has been very lucky in terms of our legislation. 213 00:29:12,552 --> 00:29:15,997 In 1976, the Alberta government passed a law 214 00:29:16,158 --> 00:29:19,605 that just said, all fossils in the province of Alberta 215 00:29:19,764 --> 00:29:21,447 are Crown resources. 216 00:29:21,608 --> 00:29:24,492 We'll allow you to pick up the ones on the surface 217 00:29:24,653 --> 00:29:26,376 and take them home if you want, 218 00:29:26,537 --> 00:29:29,542 but you don't own it, so you can't sell it. 219 00:29:33,829 --> 00:29:36,594 You guys are so lucky, because in the States, 220 00:29:36,754 --> 00:29:38,436 with all these crazy price tags 221 00:29:38,598 --> 00:29:41,041 that are being put on these fossils like Stan 222 00:29:41,201 --> 00:29:45,449 or that Deinonychus that just sold for $8 million for like... 223 00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:47,813 I mean, you look at that... 224 00:29:48,175 --> 00:29:51,140 - Is that what it went for? - Yes, can you believe that? 225 00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:54,626 You look at it and it's probably not even that much real fossil. 226 00:29:54,785 --> 00:29:56,308 It's just all been reconstructed. 227 00:29:56,468 --> 00:29:58,192 These stupid collectors can't tell. 228 00:29:58,352 --> 00:30:01,236 I think we should at least have laws in the States 229 00:30:01,398 --> 00:30:04,081 that protect scientifically valuable specimens. 230 00:30:04,242 --> 00:30:05,685 Just like, have it in place. 231 00:30:05,844 --> 00:30:08,450 Sure, there'll still be scientifically valuable stuff 232 00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:10,332 being sold on the black market. 233 00:30:10,493 --> 00:30:13,699 But if you find out about it, at least that law is in place 234 00:30:13,858 --> 00:30:17,505 to give you legislation to seize the specimen. 235 00:30:17,666 --> 00:30:21,873 It's ridiculous in America that it's just a free for all. 236 00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:23,717 But I guess it's also unsurprising 237 00:30:23,876 --> 00:30:26,080 because nobody cares about science. 238 00:30:29,166 --> 00:30:31,610 It used to be that the worth of a fossil, 239 00:30:31,771 --> 00:30:33,533 nobody really thought about it. 240 00:30:35,576 --> 00:30:37,340 Now, it's a different world 241 00:30:37,501 --> 00:30:40,266 and the price has gone up so dramatically. 242 00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:43,110 The most famous example was Sue, the T-Rex. 243 00:30:44,392 --> 00:30:47,438 Sue is the largest, most complete 244 00:30:47,598 --> 00:30:49,802 T-Rex skeleton ever found. 245 00:30:50,484 --> 00:30:52,646 The Sue skeleton is an interesting piece. 246 00:30:52,808 --> 00:30:54,250 We know where it came from. 247 00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:56,975 It was collected by a commercial collector. 248 00:30:57,134 --> 00:30:59,378 They got it out of the ground really quick. 249 00:30:59,539 --> 00:31:02,745 They weren't interested in studying it in the ground. 250 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:06,071 It was a monetary decision, not a scientific decision. 251 00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:08,915 I begin with a bid of $500,000. 252 00:31:09,717 --> 00:31:11,399 That was the first dinosaur 253 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,724 to be sold for like millions of dollars. 254 00:31:14,204 --> 00:31:16,850 I've got $2,700,000. 2.7. 255 00:31:17,291 --> 00:31:18,332 3.4 standing. 256 00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:21,498 $7,600,000 up here. 257 00:31:26,425 --> 00:31:29,230 Prior to the Sue skeleton being sold, 258 00:31:29,671 --> 00:31:32,597 ranchers were just fine with donating specimens 259 00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:34,680 or letting us collect what we wanted. 260 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,045 But after they heard that specimen 261 00:31:37,204 --> 00:31:39,610 was worth $8 million, they thought twice about it. 262 00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:42,054 And a lot of people said, "No, I'm gonna sell mine. 263 00:31:42,213 --> 00:31:44,057 "I wanna make millions of dollars." 264 00:31:44,217 --> 00:31:47,222 Hailing from the Hell Creek formation in South Dakota, 265 00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:51,390 Stan is one of the most seen and studied T-Rex of all time. 266 00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:54,034 - Ten million, please. - Ten million dollars. 267 00:31:54,194 --> 00:31:57,080 With the increase in prices in recent years, 268 00:31:57,239 --> 00:32:00,566 Stan the T-Rex, which was collected legally, 269 00:32:00,726 --> 00:32:03,250 sold for 32 million dollars. 270 00:32:03,571 --> 00:32:05,815 And sold. Thank you very much. 271 00:32:07,138 --> 00:32:08,139 It's staggering. 272 00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:09,781 There's no way that institutions 273 00:32:09,943 --> 00:32:11,705 can come up with that kind of money. 274 00:32:12,587 --> 00:32:14,871 Sold! 275 00:32:27,894 --> 00:32:31,420 Big John had been discovered in 2014 in South Dakota 276 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:33,664 by a commercial paleontologist. 277 00:32:33,823 --> 00:32:37,992 So, somebody actively looking for dinosaurs to sell. 278 00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:43,040 I immediately started to say, "Oh, it's very interesting. 279 00:32:43,201 --> 00:32:45,926 "What are you going to do with such an amazing piece? 280 00:32:46,085 --> 00:32:48,770 "Would you consider to consign for an auction?" 281 00:32:56,945 --> 00:33:01,071 So we have this part that have been cast from other bones. 282 00:33:01,232 --> 00:33:03,677 We have this one that has been 3D printed. 283 00:33:03,836 --> 00:33:08,805 And we have the original bone, that is 60% of the skeleton 284 00:33:08,966 --> 00:33:11,569 and 75% of the skull. 285 00:33:11,731 --> 00:33:15,617 The skull is the most well-preserved part. 286 00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:18,622 This is a fake. 287 00:33:18,783 --> 00:33:20,585 This is one of the restored parts. 288 00:33:20,747 --> 00:33:23,911 This is the real bone. Real bone doesn't sound at all. 289 00:33:24,072 --> 00:33:27,397 We never have 100% of the whole skeleton. 290 00:33:27,558 --> 00:33:30,122 The restoration process is something 291 00:33:30,283 --> 00:33:33,848 that must be really completely understood by the final client. 292 00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:41,141 Part of our job is to understand collectors. 293 00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:43,987 A lot of my clients have told me, 294 00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:46,671 "I really got deep into Jurassic Park 295 00:33:46,832 --> 00:33:50,759 "when I was either a child or a young adult." 296 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,246 That's it: you tell the story and you sell the story. 297 00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:01,176 I spoke with maybe ten people 298 00:34:01,737 --> 00:34:05,064 that are actively going to bid on Big John. 299 00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:10,873 We have art museums, a privately owned foundation, 300 00:34:11,035 --> 00:34:14,561 we have a public science museum that are willing to purchase. 301 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,925 We have investments funds, 302 00:34:17,085 --> 00:34:19,489 cryptocurrency traders 303 00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:23,335 or very wealthy people that just say, "Ah!" 304 00:34:23,496 --> 00:34:26,982 "I can really buy a dinosaur? This is this for real?" 305 00:34:27,143 --> 00:34:30,028 That is a question that I'm always being asked. 306 00:34:30,188 --> 00:34:32,152 And you say, "Yeah, of course." 307 00:34:32,311 --> 00:34:35,236 And we always hope to have two clients 308 00:34:35,396 --> 00:34:36,639 that know each other, 309 00:34:36,799 --> 00:34:38,802 and that don't like so much each other. 310 00:34:38,963 --> 00:34:40,606 When they are in the same sale, 311 00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:42,690 they'll start to fight with each other. 312 00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:44,974 Because it happens all the time. 313 00:34:45,615 --> 00:34:46,736 It's a fight. 314 00:34:46,896 --> 00:34:50,664 It's a fight about the will to purchase the piece. 315 00:34:50,823 --> 00:34:53,589 It's something like an ego war. 316 00:44:09,642 --> 00:44:11,606 When I was a student 317 00:44:11,765 --> 00:44:13,569 studying in the early 90s, 318 00:44:13,728 --> 00:44:16,214 that was a very messy time in Mongolia. 319 00:44:16,373 --> 00:44:18,177 Everything got out of control. 320 00:44:18,336 --> 00:44:21,903 We lost control of the fossil situation. 321 00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:27,913 We had 70 years of communism. 322 00:44:28,074 --> 00:44:30,478 The government was the only job provider. 323 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:31,960 When the government said, 324 00:44:32,122 --> 00:44:34,324 "I'm not going to provide any more jobs. 325 00:44:34,485 --> 00:44:36,408 "I want to privatize everything," 326 00:44:36,569 --> 00:44:40,936 50% of employed people were jobless immediately. 327 00:44:41,097 --> 00:44:43,261 And they needed to survive somehow, 328 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:45,705 and they started selling things. 329 00:44:48,429 --> 00:44:51,955 Scientists would give you maps 330 00:44:52,117 --> 00:44:55,401 and the locations of fossil materials. 331 00:44:55,563 --> 00:45:00,009 They gave away so many landmark details 332 00:45:00,171 --> 00:45:04,057 that looters just can go and dig into those areas. 333 00:45:06,742 --> 00:45:09,066 Jurassic Park comes out in '93. 334 00:45:09,226 --> 00:45:11,830 That was the first year I went to Mongolia. 335 00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:14,435 And by '97, we'd go to a fossil site 336 00:45:14,716 --> 00:45:16,279 and locals and kids and everybody else 337 00:45:16,438 --> 00:45:18,122 were walking up to us with fossils 338 00:45:18,282 --> 00:45:19,844 and offering it for money. 339 00:45:20,004 --> 00:45:21,728 There was the commercial trade. 340 00:45:21,888 --> 00:45:24,973 You know that if you can sell a fossil skull 341 00:45:25,134 --> 00:45:27,017 to a tourist, 342 00:45:27,178 --> 00:45:30,704 there must be somebody out there that'll take a whole skeleton. 343 00:45:35,952 --> 00:45:38,317 People were desperate to survive. 344 00:45:38,718 --> 00:45:40,241 Almost every summer, 345 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,681 there's a load of containers of dinosaurs 346 00:45:42,841 --> 00:45:44,842 leaving the country. 347 00:45:47,842 --> 00:45:49,481 Around the year 2000, 348 00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,803 we started noticing an acceleration 349 00:45:51,962 --> 00:45:55,402 in the amount of poaching that went on in Mongolia. 350 00:45:56,684 --> 00:46:00,244 We saw eight destroyed skeletons of Tarbosaurus in one day 351 00:46:00,403 --> 00:46:02,924 and realized that this was really bad, 352 00:46:03,084 --> 00:46:06,004 because it was a different level of poaching 353 00:46:06,165 --> 00:46:08,326 than we'd seen up to that time. 354 00:46:16,167 --> 00:46:17,767 From that time period, 355 00:46:17,926 --> 00:46:21,447 the American Museum of Natural history asked me 356 00:46:21,607 --> 00:46:26,168 if I was interested in studying in the States for paleontology. 357 00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:30,369 So I landed right in New York when I left my country. 358 00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:34,449 Then one morning I was sitting in the Upper West Side, 359 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:35,969 in a coffee shop. 360 00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:38,691 There's a TV hanging from the ceiling. 361 00:46:38,851 --> 00:46:40,490 On the screen comes a dinosaur. 362 00:46:41,251 --> 00:46:44,211 A rare dinosaur skeleton is about to be sold. 363 00:46:44,371 --> 00:46:47,011 Discovered eight years ago in the Gobi Desert, 364 00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:50,252 the Tyrannosaurus Bataar will be auctioned off this weekend. 365 00:46:50,813 --> 00:46:53,972 Experts say it's one of the most complete skeletons ever. 366 00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:57,174 This is illegal! There used to be a black market, 367 00:46:57,334 --> 00:46:59,734 now they think, "Who would do anything to us?" 368 00:47:01,334 --> 00:47:03,414 I sent an email to Oyungerel, 369 00:47:03,695 --> 00:47:06,135 who was an advisor to the president. 370 00:47:06,414 --> 00:47:10,336 She said, "This is the Mongolian dinosaur! 371 00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:12,895 "Claim it, please, as soon as possible." 372 00:47:13,055 --> 00:47:15,857 So I called my president, and he said, 373 00:47:16,697 --> 00:47:20,337 "Oyungerel's talking about dinosaurs? 374 00:47:20,976 --> 00:47:25,298 "You're supposed to advise me on democracy and human rights! 375 00:47:25,457 --> 00:47:27,338 "What dinosaur are you talking about?" 376 00:47:29,978 --> 00:47:31,498 I asked the president, 377 00:47:31,659 --> 00:47:33,098 "Could you please claim it? 378 00:47:33,259 --> 00:47:36,780 "You're the first person who can claim anything for Mongolia. 379 00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:39,099 "Please claim it." 380 00:47:41,741 --> 00:47:44,060 Today we do something extraordinary. 381 00:47:44,221 --> 00:47:46,581 We return to the people of Mongolia 382 00:47:46,742 --> 00:47:49,461 a 70 million year old dinosaur 383 00:47:49,621 --> 00:47:52,582 that was looted from the rocky sands of the Gobi Desert. 384 00:47:52,743 --> 00:47:54,622 It is a Tyrannosaurus Bataar, 385 00:47:55,303 --> 00:47:57,343 a large, two-footed predator 386 00:47:57,502 --> 00:47:59,623 and cousin of the Tyrannosaurus Rex. 387 00:47:59,784 --> 00:48:01,664 And under Mongolian law, 388 00:48:01,824 --> 00:48:03,583 never should have left the country. 389 00:48:03,744 --> 00:48:06,544 How did a dinosaur skeleton from the Gobi Desert 390 00:48:06,705 --> 00:48:08,464 end up in a New York auction house 391 00:48:08,624 --> 00:48:11,146 where it sold for over a million dollars? 392 00:48:11,306 --> 00:48:14,625 Theft, fraud and misrepresentation, that's how. 393 00:49:07,474 --> 00:49:09,715 We can go back down this way. 394 00:49:10,235 --> 00:49:12,276 You're going to find an easier way down. 395 00:49:12,435 --> 00:49:15,075 No, I'm not going to find an easier way. 396 00:49:17,356 --> 00:49:18,677 Unless I fall down. 397 00:49:19,677 --> 00:49:23,637 In which case, I'll get down quicker than you. 398 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,800 The water cut quite a hole here many years ago. 399 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640 You see it up on the higher hills up there. 400 00:49:42,801 --> 00:49:44,120 That's our good stuff. 401 00:49:44,281 --> 00:49:46,841 That's the prime meandering river 402 00:49:47,681 --> 00:49:51,282 that produces nice skeletons. 403 00:49:55,442 --> 00:49:57,883 When a person is collecting something, 404 00:49:58,522 --> 00:50:00,804 especially an isolated bone like this, 405 00:50:00,963 --> 00:50:03,923 the intuitive thing to do 406 00:50:04,083 --> 00:50:07,245 is like everyone else has done for hundreds of years, 407 00:50:07,644 --> 00:50:10,964 and that is to keep the bone intact as well as possible. 408 00:50:11,644 --> 00:50:15,045 But the nice thing about it 409 00:50:16,645 --> 00:50:18,485 is that when it's broken open, 410 00:50:18,645 --> 00:50:21,767 you actually can get all kinds of more information 411 00:50:21,926 --> 00:50:24,967 than you can if it was just all glued together. 412 00:50:26,127 --> 00:50:28,087 I mean, just look out here. 413 00:50:28,248 --> 00:50:29,688 This is beautiful terrain 414 00:50:29,848 --> 00:50:33,289 and it tells just incredible numbers of stories. 415 00:50:34,169 --> 00:50:36,968 Changing environments, changing faunas. 416 00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:40,410 It's all here, all the information 417 00:50:41,129 --> 00:50:46,731 for looking at this 78-million-year-old story. 418 00:50:46,891 --> 00:50:50,571 It's all here. All you have to do is find it. 419 00:51:15,256 --> 00:51:17,095 Ninety percent of the time, 420 00:51:17,256 --> 00:51:19,897 the first question anybody ever asks us is: 421 00:51:20,056 --> 00:51:22,897 "How much money do you make off a dinosaur bone?" 422 00:51:23,857 --> 00:51:26,698 And I say, "I don't sell dinosaur bones." 423 00:51:27,537 --> 00:51:29,178 It's not about the money. 424 00:51:29,338 --> 00:51:31,537 Do people ever just come on your land 425 00:51:31,698 --> 00:51:33,899 that you don't know about? - A lot! 426 00:51:34,299 --> 00:51:37,658 And we have kept this ground 427 00:51:37,819 --> 00:51:40,300 to where it's open for museums. 428 00:51:40,459 --> 00:51:42,780 The bones that are collected go to museums 429 00:51:42,939 --> 00:51:45,060 where everybody can see them 430 00:51:45,221 --> 00:51:47,980 and not hidden in somebody's basement. 431 00:51:48,421 --> 00:51:51,661 Long as I'm still walking up and down these coolies, 432 00:51:51,822 --> 00:51:56,101 we're going to still put dinosaur bones in museums 433 00:51:56,262 --> 00:51:59,062 and showcase them to the whole world. 434 00:52:09,825 --> 00:52:13,144 Cultivating relationships with landowners is really important 435 00:52:13,305 --> 00:52:15,545 because would you pass up $8 million 436 00:52:15,706 --> 00:52:18,585 so a bunch of nerds can know maybe 437 00:52:18,746 --> 00:52:21,307 how T-Rex maybe did such-and-such? 438 00:52:21,466 --> 00:52:23,986 Like, who cares, right? Like, $8 million! 439 00:52:27,828 --> 00:52:29,987 - Good morning! - Good morning. 440 00:52:30,748 --> 00:52:32,388 So good to see you. 441 00:52:33,188 --> 00:52:34,468 Let me come give you a hug. 442 00:52:34,628 --> 00:52:36,588 We met in 2006, 443 00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:39,068 and I was camping on your land... 444 00:52:39,229 --> 00:52:42,149 And I found a partial jaw of a duckbill dinosaur. 445 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:45,310 But unfortunately, I found it with a pick. 446 00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,791 So it is now in several pieces, but there's... 447 00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:50,030 We get a good internal view of it that way. 448 00:52:50,191 --> 00:52:51,991 Yeah, a good skilled preparator 449 00:52:52,151 --> 00:52:54,832 will make it look like it never happened. 450 00:52:55,272 --> 00:52:57,071 Yeah, we really thank you 451 00:52:57,873 --> 00:53:00,992 for donating those fossils to the museum. 452 00:53:01,152 --> 00:53:02,313 Oh, no problem. 453 00:53:02,472 --> 00:53:06,914 I just didn't want them to go to private collectors. 454 00:53:07,473 --> 00:53:09,834 These people out here are doing this for business. 455 00:53:10,474 --> 00:53:13,034 In this museum, more people are going to see them 456 00:53:13,195 --> 00:53:16,075 than if they're with a private collector's somewhere. 457 00:53:16,236 --> 00:53:18,035 Now, if you came up with a T-Rex, 458 00:53:18,196 --> 00:53:20,716 then we're going to have to start talking. 459 00:53:20,876 --> 00:53:22,277 Fair enough. 460 00:53:39,118 --> 00:53:41,880 Just the fact of bringing the dinosaurs 461 00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,479 into Paris was a massive challenge. 462 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,160 The skull was able to enter the door 463 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,401 by, I think, one centimetre. 464 00:54:07,997 --> 00:54:11,476 There's part of the world that would say 465 00:54:11,636 --> 00:54:14,316 it's crazy that dinosaurs go to the auction block. 466 00:54:14,475 --> 00:54:17,796 A lot of people don't understand how it's possible. 467 00:54:18,555 --> 00:54:19,755 It's totally possible. 468 00:54:19,915 --> 00:54:22,715 Like, everything in this world is for sale. 469 00:54:23,634 --> 00:54:26,553 But I don't know how many millions 470 00:54:26,714 --> 00:54:28,234 is going to be the result. 471 00:54:28,394 --> 00:54:30,193 It can be two, can be five. 472 00:54:30,353 --> 00:54:32,592 It depends on what kind of clients 473 00:54:32,753 --> 00:54:34,671 stay up to the last second, 474 00:54:34,832 --> 00:54:38,551 and how irrational they will become at one point. 475 00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:57,817 Growing up, German was my mother tongue. 476 00:55:57,976 --> 00:56:00,736 And I went to a French school, but I also learned 477 00:56:00,896 --> 00:56:04,055 the North African Moroccan dialect of Arabic. 478 00:56:06,574 --> 00:56:08,815 Much of what we know about dinosaurs is based 479 00:56:08,974 --> 00:56:11,933 on discoveries from places like North America and Europe. 480 00:56:12,093 --> 00:56:15,492 But there's this one big gaping hole in our knowledge, 481 00:56:15,652 --> 00:56:18,572 our planet's second largest landmass, Africa. 482 00:56:19,893 --> 00:56:22,451 How do we get people in places like Morocco 483 00:56:22,611 --> 00:56:24,491 excited about paleontology 484 00:56:24,651 --> 00:56:26,851 and interested in their ancient heritage? 485 00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:28,650 Working with Moroccan scientists, 486 00:56:28,811 --> 00:56:30,891 and most importantly, their students, 487 00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:32,730 we are telling the story 488 00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:35,330 of paleontology's forgotten continent. 489 00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:36,968 Ready? 490 00:56:37,128 --> 00:56:39,849 Come a little closer. It can't bite you anymore. 491 00:56:42,047 --> 00:56:43,888 - Whoa. - Look at this thing. 492 00:56:45,087 --> 00:56:47,807 When I think of Nizar, I think Spinosaurus. 493 00:56:48,126 --> 00:56:51,207 Nizar is really the one who has this incredible story 494 00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:54,605 of going back to Morocco and hunting down 495 00:56:54,766 --> 00:56:56,565 where these fossils came from. 496 00:56:57,685 --> 00:56:59,004 This is 41. 497 00:56:59,564 --> 00:57:01,885 This is like the very tip of the tail. 498 00:57:02,044 --> 00:57:03,284 Isn't that wild? 499 00:57:03,443 --> 00:57:05,244 There's a couple of breaks here, 500 00:57:05,404 --> 00:57:07,204 but it's pretty remarkable, right? 501 00:57:07,364 --> 00:57:08,883 The Spinosaurus story was 502 00:57:09,042 --> 00:57:12,163 basically the biggest Morocco-related story ever. 503 00:57:15,242 --> 00:57:17,882 This thing is possibly bigger than T-Rex. 504 00:57:18,041 --> 00:57:19,361 Giant sail on its back. 505 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,761 Really strange jaws, you know. 506 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,119 But you can't help think of it as almost... 507 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,680 I don't want to say it's like your pet, but you feel like, 508 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,638 "This is my dinosaur." 509 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:34,678 Because you spend years and years poring over the bones 510 00:57:34,838 --> 00:57:37,957 and trying to flesh it out in your mind. 511 00:57:40,317 --> 00:57:46,035 It looks so real and majestic. 512 00:57:46,995 --> 00:57:51,114 And, um, it's everything I was hoping it would be 513 00:57:51,275 --> 00:57:53,275 and a lot more. 514 00:58:36,546 --> 00:58:38,786 This is the final resting place 515 00:58:38,945 --> 00:58:40,545 of our Spinosaurus. 516 00:58:42,786 --> 00:58:46,424 There were the leg bones and the foot bones, the hips. 517 00:58:46,584 --> 00:58:49,864 So I suspect that since the back half was almost complete, 518 00:58:50,023 --> 00:58:52,463 I'm pretty sure the front half is also almost complete. 519 00:58:52,623 --> 00:58:55,223 That means there are still some things hidden in here. 520 00:58:55,383 --> 00:58:57,542 We've got to take out this whole chunk here. 521 00:58:57,703 --> 00:59:00,262 And I hope that we can get everything out 522 00:59:00,981 --> 00:59:02,541 before these guys do. 523 00:59:02,702 --> 00:59:04,781 Because this is the bad news. 524 00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:07,420 When I just came up here a moment ago, 525 00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:09,861 I was looking at everything, like, "Good, good." 526 00:59:10,019 --> 00:59:11,140 And then I saw this. 527 00:59:12,539 --> 00:59:14,459 Now we kind of have to play detective 528 00:59:14,619 --> 00:59:16,859 and try to figure out what happened. 529 00:59:18,418 --> 00:59:20,537 Well, let's think about this. 530 00:59:21,778 --> 00:59:23,417 They missed the layer. 531 00:59:24,338 --> 00:59:27,456 This does not look like a successful attempt. 532 00:59:29,416 --> 00:59:30,976 It's worth so much more for us 533 00:59:31,136 --> 00:59:34,816 because it's part of this amazing, unique skeleton. 534 00:59:34,975 --> 00:59:37,255 But to someone else, it's just, you know... 535 00:59:37,414 --> 00:59:38,934 If someone else had found it, 536 00:59:39,094 --> 00:59:41,255 some commercial guy might have just decided 537 00:59:41,414 --> 00:59:42,893 to sell it in chunks 538 00:59:43,053 --> 00:59:45,334 and say, "I'm going to sell individual bones. 539 00:59:45,493 --> 00:59:46,533 "Maybe I'll get more 540 00:59:46,694 --> 00:59:49,813 "than if I sell the whole skeleton, right?" 541 01:03:26,772 --> 01:03:28,491 That's their income. 542 01:03:28,652 --> 01:03:30,490 That's everything they have. 543 01:03:30,651 --> 01:03:33,450 I don't feel like I'm really in a position to tell them 544 01:03:33,611 --> 01:03:35,849 what they can and can't do 545 01:03:36,009 --> 01:03:40,408 unless I can offer them a viable economic alternative 546 01:03:40,568 --> 01:03:42,488 to feed their families. 547 01:03:57,606 --> 01:04:00,086 There's a certain sense of anger. 548 01:04:01,245 --> 01:04:02,805 You feel a little powerless 549 01:04:03,325 --> 01:04:06,165 because there's really not much you can do about it. 550 01:04:06,324 --> 01:04:08,523 You're kind of doing everything you can 551 01:04:08,684 --> 01:04:11,043 to bring as many fossils as you can 552 01:04:11,204 --> 01:04:13,083 into the world of science. 553 01:04:15,042 --> 01:04:16,603 But it's a moment where 554 01:04:16,763 --> 01:04:20,162 you kind of lose your innocence to a certain extent. 555 01:06:18,699 --> 01:06:22,418 One day, dinosaurs suddenly became 556 01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:24,457 an obsession, really. 557 01:06:27,098 --> 01:06:30,976 But it's almost like possession or something, 558 01:06:31,137 --> 01:06:35,656 something that hijacks your brain in some ways. 559 01:06:39,056 --> 01:06:40,894 But you're kind of growing up 560 01:06:41,055 --> 01:06:44,215 and you realize that you'll have to fight 561 01:06:44,374 --> 01:06:47,333 a little harder for your fossils. 562 01:07:42,323 --> 01:07:44,603 We have a Triceratops horridus 563 01:07:44,763 --> 01:07:46,603 from the upper Hell Creek Formation 564 01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:48,961 found in 2014 in South Dakota, United States. 565 01:07:49,122 --> 01:07:51,881 It's a remarkable Triceratops skeleton 566 01:07:52,042 --> 01:07:53,361 complete at 60% 567 01:07:53,521 --> 01:07:55,440 with a 75% complete skull 568 01:07:55,601 --> 01:07:59,081 from the world-renowned deposit of the Hell Creek Formation. 569 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,679 That is really the last window 570 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,043 before the dinosaur's extinction. 571 01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:57,055 This is going to a private collection. 572 01:09:57,215 --> 01:09:58,536 How do you feel about that? 573 01:09:58,696 --> 01:10:00,940 We still don't know its final destination. 574 01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:04,304 And anyway, even if it is going to a private collection, 575 01:10:04,463 --> 01:10:08,228 we cannot in any way limit the bids 576 01:10:08,388 --> 01:10:10,910 from certain individuals or others. 577 01:10:11,071 --> 01:10:13,754 We could have preferences, but, you know... 578 01:10:13,914 --> 01:10:15,716 It's just personal. 579 01:10:16,237 --> 01:10:19,361 We don't decide for the buyer. 580 01:10:23,286 --> 01:10:25,567 KTCC, it's the morning commute. 581 01:10:25,728 --> 01:10:28,891 We got your weather and news for Tucson all day, every day. 582 01:10:30,174 --> 01:10:32,776 All right, here's that time of year again, 583 01:10:33,497 --> 01:10:36,741 Get ready for the largest gem, mineral and fossils show 584 01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,144 in the world right here in Tucson, Arizona. 585 01:10:40,585 --> 01:10:44,230 They're saying this year they're expecting 65,000 people 586 01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:46,752 from all over the world. Holy! 587 01:10:46,912 --> 01:10:49,716 Watch yourselves on that morning commute. 588 01:10:50,077 --> 01:10:53,241 It's spread out 15 miles wide. 589 01:10:53,921 --> 01:10:58,447 And it's in motels, hotels stadiums. 590 01:10:58,846 --> 01:11:01,170 There's people from all over the world her. 591 01:11:11,302 --> 01:11:14,225 If I'm not here, people think I'm dead or in jail. 592 01:11:14,506 --> 01:11:17,829 Oh no, no! Not you! Not the "ooh là là" man! 593 01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:21,314 - You are not happy to see me? - I'm always happy to see you! 594 01:11:21,673 --> 01:11:23,156 Hello again! 595 01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:38,012 Hello George. How are you today? 596 01:11:38,174 --> 01:11:39,694 - François, how are you? - Well. 597 01:11:39,854 --> 01:11:42,058 - Good to see you again. - Yes, it's a pleasure. 598 01:11:42,218 --> 01:11:45,262 The skull is 90-plus percent, all the cervical vertebrae. 599 01:11:45,422 --> 01:11:46,823 - The cervical? - Perfect. 600 01:11:46,983 --> 01:11:49,347 The vertebrae all the way back to the tail, perfect. 601 01:11:49,507 --> 01:11:51,069 Oh, and the price? 602 01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:53,111 - It's 150,000. - 150? Ooh! 603 01:11:53,871 --> 01:11:58,277 And for you, François, I can bring the price down 20% 604 01:11:58,437 --> 01:12:00,440 to 120,000, something like that. 605 01:12:00,799 --> 01:12:03,602 You have the sketch, you can send me by email? 606 01:12:03,762 --> 01:12:05,405 You mean the rest of it? 607 01:12:05,566 --> 01:12:08,209 Or I'll come back later and you prepare the folder. 608 01:12:08,369 --> 01:12:09,370 No problem. 609 01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:11,092 I finish my tour of the show. 610 01:12:11,252 --> 01:12:13,215 Okay François. See you later, buddy. 611 01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:15,696 - Wonderful to see you. Bye. - Take care, François. 612 01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:27,671 That's nice. 613 01:12:27,951 --> 01:12:30,475 It's restored here, this part. 614 01:12:30,634 --> 01:12:33,158 Yeah, there's a little bit of restoration there. 615 01:12:39,725 --> 01:12:41,767 Nice pieces. Okay. 616 01:12:42,249 --> 01:12:44,851 And how much is the price? - Forty thousand. 617 01:12:56,385 --> 01:12:59,228 You know that we have some trouble because 618 01:12:59,668 --> 01:13:02,192 some people in the state don't understand what we do. 619 01:13:02,352 --> 01:13:05,636 Yeah, and I think through life, 620 01:13:05,795 --> 01:13:08,839 if you never have any trouble, you haven't done anything. 621 01:13:08,999 --> 01:13:10,602 Yes! 622 01:13:11,001 --> 01:13:13,525 Okay, see you. - Nice to see you again. 623 01:13:18,491 --> 01:13:20,893 Triceratops is always attractive. 624 01:13:21,053 --> 01:13:25,499 It's a question of price. I don't know the price. 625 01:13:25,659 --> 01:13:27,622 - Seven. - Seven for the pair? 626 01:13:27,781 --> 01:13:29,464 That's correct. Really. 627 01:13:30,225 --> 01:13:32,507 But it's up to you to make a good presentation, 628 01:13:32,668 --> 01:13:34,470 maybe with iron steel, 629 01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:37,233 maybe if you have artists who work with the iron. 630 01:13:37,393 --> 01:13:39,235 You can make really amazing things. 631 01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:04,144 What do we have here? 632 01:14:04,305 --> 01:14:06,106 This is from Germany. 633 01:14:06,947 --> 01:14:10,111 It's kind of this legendary, infamous place, right? 634 01:14:10,272 --> 01:14:13,435 Because sometimes you read about the shipment of fossils 635 01:14:13,596 --> 01:14:16,078 that has been intercepted on its way to Tucson 636 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,081 or someone tried to smuggle something into the United States 637 01:14:19,242 --> 01:14:20,484 to sell it at Tucson. 638 01:14:23,006 --> 01:14:24,167 What? 639 01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:27,692 Did I read this right? I mean... 640 01:14:29,814 --> 01:14:32,897 You know, there's a history of dodgy business. 641 01:14:33,459 --> 01:14:36,061 But then at the same time, it's kind of an open secret, 642 01:14:36,221 --> 01:14:38,585 all the big museums are sending someone there 643 01:14:38,745 --> 01:14:40,786 and buying things. 644 01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:46,794 I was wondering where the fish fossils are from. 645 01:14:46,954 --> 01:14:49,156 - From Lebanon. - From Lebanon, okay. 646 01:14:49,317 --> 01:14:51,920 From the Cenomanian Age. 647 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,645 Okay. Yeah. That's an amazing place for fish. 648 01:14:55,804 --> 01:14:59,008 You are in Tucson for the conference this evening? 649 01:14:59,168 --> 01:15:02,333 No, I'm doing a National Geographic show. 650 01:15:02,493 --> 01:15:03,614 Yes, okay. 651 01:15:04,054 --> 01:15:05,896 At the Fox Tucson Theater, 652 01:15:06,056 --> 01:15:07,499 and it just so happened that 653 01:15:07,659 --> 01:15:10,061 this was happening at the same time. 654 01:15:11,744 --> 01:15:13,905 Nizar believes that the world 655 01:15:14,065 --> 01:15:16,869 is still full of undiscovered, ancient treasures 656 01:15:17,029 --> 01:15:18,392 and prehistoric wonders. 657 01:15:18,552 --> 01:15:20,674 You just have to know where to look. 658 01:15:21,114 --> 01:15:22,876 And tonight, he'll show us. 659 01:15:23,036 --> 01:15:25,239 Please welcome Nizar Ibrahim. 660 01:15:39,135 --> 01:15:42,979 So tonight, I'm going to take you 661 01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:45,423 on a journey back in time, 662 01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:49,988 100 million years into the past. 663 01:15:55,595 --> 01:15:58,197 I always tell all my expedition team members 664 01:15:58,358 --> 01:16:01,201 to collect every little fragment of fossil they find. 665 01:16:01,362 --> 01:16:02,883 Because at the end of the day, 666 01:16:03,043 --> 01:16:04,885 what we're really trying to do here 667 01:16:05,045 --> 01:16:07,369 is we're trying to reconstruct and resurrect 668 01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:09,210 an entire ancient ecosystem. 669 01:16:09,371 --> 01:16:13,015 So every little fossil is an important piece. 670 01:17:38,716 --> 01:17:40,838 Okay, wait a minute. 671 01:17:59,379 --> 01:18:02,423 So we're finding little vertebrae like this 672 01:18:03,384 --> 01:18:06,267 that are just very delicate little fossils, 673 01:18:06,427 --> 01:18:07,710 very hard to find. 674 01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:10,633 And the kind of things that people here in Hell Creek 675 01:18:10,794 --> 01:18:12,556 haven't been looking for, you know? 676 01:18:12,716 --> 01:18:15,158 Everybody wants a T-Rex or a Tric. 677 01:18:18,361 --> 01:18:22,007 Triceratops goes extinct shortly after these deposits 678 01:18:22,166 --> 01:18:24,690 that we are working in right now were formed. 679 01:18:25,330 --> 01:18:26,933 This is the end Cretaceous. 680 01:18:27,092 --> 01:18:28,453 This is what life was like 681 01:18:28,614 --> 01:18:31,297 before it gets wiped out in the fifth mass extinction. 682 01:18:31,457 --> 01:18:34,100 So looking at these smaller animals that do survive 683 01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:36,302 can maybe also help us understand 684 01:18:36,463 --> 01:18:39,346 why certain groups survived and others didn't. 685 01:18:41,469 --> 01:18:43,431 And that's super important right now, 686 01:18:43,592 --> 01:18:45,674 because we are living in a mass extinction 687 01:18:45,835 --> 01:18:47,797 caused by us. 688 01:18:51,001 --> 01:18:53,724 So we're going to not only understand 689 01:18:53,884 --> 01:18:56,126 who is going to survive this mass extinction, 690 01:18:56,286 --> 01:18:59,530 but also understand how we can minimize the impact. 691 01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:04,697 This is why it's really important not only for us 692 01:19:04,857 --> 01:19:08,220 to look at macro evolutionary patterns using paleontology, 693 01:19:08,380 --> 01:19:11,464 but especially right now to look at mass extinction events 694 01:19:11,625 --> 01:19:14,387 and how certain groups respond to them. 695 01:19:27,282 --> 01:19:29,245 Okay. Your hands. 696 01:19:40,297 --> 01:19:41,940 - What did you find? - A scale. 697 01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:45,024 - A scale? - Yes, it's beautiful. 698 01:19:46,144 --> 01:19:48,949 It's so nicely preserved too. Holy shit. 699 01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:52,472 - Perfect. - That's so cool! 700 01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:19,223 My brother is a paleontologist. 701 01:20:19,383 --> 01:20:24,229 He would go with my dad for Russian expeditions. 702 01:20:26,191 --> 01:20:29,635 But then when my dad was asked to make a geology map 703 01:20:29,796 --> 01:20:32,479 by the American Museum of Natural History, 704 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,805 he asked if he could bring me for the expedition. 705 01:20:37,645 --> 01:20:39,127 The Mongolian colleague said, 706 01:20:39,287 --> 01:20:41,529 "If she is coming, she will be a cook." 707 01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:45,054 I said, "I'm a paleontologist. I'm not a cook." 708 01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:10,034 It changed so much, this place. 709 01:22:24,211 --> 01:22:27,094 There's a lot of expectation that 710 01:22:27,254 --> 01:22:29,656 because he was in the same profession, 711 01:22:29,817 --> 01:22:33,621 people expect that I would continue what he was doing. 712 01:22:34,422 --> 01:22:37,066 And I say, I can't do that. 713 01:22:37,585 --> 01:22:41,470 Because I was doing a lot of things, also. 714 01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:43,994 I have to finish what I'm doing. 715 01:22:44,154 --> 01:22:46,716 I can't take another person's load on me 716 01:22:46,877 --> 01:22:49,639 and do all that stuff, that's impossible. 717 01:22:50,721 --> 01:22:53,404 I can't fill his space. 718 01:23:35,693 --> 01:23:37,937 My great uncle really wanted 719 01:23:38,097 --> 01:23:40,900 this collaboration to be equal. 720 01:23:42,102 --> 01:23:43,944 Mongolia should benefit. 721 01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:49,190 The more I learn about Andrews's expedition, 722 01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:53,115 the more I realize that this is just not right. 723 01:23:55,717 --> 01:24:01,324 I want those fossils to be back in Mongolia. 724 01:24:02,605 --> 01:24:03,886 Have to! 725 01:24:06,449 --> 01:24:09,573 What is the point spending all these years and effort 726 01:24:09,733 --> 01:24:13,778 and sacrifice my family and myself and my profession. 727 01:24:14,619 --> 01:24:18,264 Gosh, I can't just sit there. I have to do something. 728 01:24:21,348 --> 01:24:22,508 Oh, hi! 729 01:24:23,629 --> 01:24:25,393 Sorry, I'm late! 730 01:24:27,275 --> 01:24:28,475 Hi, I'm Bolor. 731 01:24:28,635 --> 01:24:30,878 Nice to meet you finally in person. 732 01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:34,482 In our educational projects, especially based on dinosaurs, 733 01:24:34,642 --> 01:24:39,409 we really need to teach our younger kids about paleontology. 734 01:32:17,586 --> 01:32:20,830 They're all one hatching? I mean, one clutch? 735 01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:23,753 They're probably from a couple of different clutches. 736 01:32:24,113 --> 01:32:25,996 We think there might be a difference 737 01:32:26,155 --> 01:32:27,638 in the spinal nerves 738 01:32:27,798 --> 01:32:29,439 at the end of an alligator tail 739 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,282 as opposed to the spinal nerves at the end of a bird tail. 740 01:32:32,442 --> 01:32:35,085 And I think that there's a developmental link 741 01:32:35,246 --> 01:32:37,088 between the formation of spinal nerves 742 01:32:37,248 --> 01:32:39,652 and the formation of this pica -style structure. 743 01:32:40,372 --> 01:32:43,215 So we need the alligators to look at spinal nerves 744 01:32:43,375 --> 01:32:45,899 because they're just like the ancestral condition 745 01:32:46,058 --> 01:32:48,061 of a long-tailed reptile. - Yup. 746 01:32:48,863 --> 01:32:49,784 Yes. 747 01:32:49,944 --> 01:32:52,627 So maybe we could get a tail to grow. 748 01:32:52,787 --> 01:32:54,950 If we can figure out the differences, 749 01:32:55,109 --> 01:32:57,873 if we can figure out that link, I have an idea. 750 01:33:06,202 --> 01:33:07,403 Birds are dinosaurs. 751 01:33:08,404 --> 01:33:10,968 If we find these atavistic genes, 752 01:33:11,128 --> 01:33:12,690 these ancestral genes, 753 01:33:12,851 --> 01:33:14,091 and reverse them, 754 01:33:15,212 --> 01:33:18,017 we should be able to make a dinosaur. 755 01:33:24,785 --> 01:33:27,347 We had started the whole thing in 93, right? 756 01:33:27,507 --> 01:33:28,709 Jurassic Park. 757 01:33:28,869 --> 01:33:31,753 Michael Crichton had come up with a pretty novel way 758 01:33:31,913 --> 01:33:33,554 of bringing dinosaurs back. 759 01:33:34,596 --> 01:33:38,080 And that was finding DNA in ancient blood 760 01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,363 preserved in insects trapped in amber. 761 01:33:42,484 --> 01:33:45,929 We didn't know whether we could find DNA. 762 01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:49,694 We finally got to B. Rex, our Tyrannosaurus. 763 01:33:49,854 --> 01:33:53,457 That's where we got most of the good soft tissues. 764 01:33:53,618 --> 01:33:55,259 We still didn't get DNA. 765 01:34:00,185 --> 01:34:04,111 It was right around that time that George Lucas visited 766 01:34:04,270 --> 01:34:06,272 and came out in the field with us 767 01:34:06,432 --> 01:34:08,075 and gave a $1,000,000 donation 768 01:34:08,876 --> 01:34:10,517 for anything I wanted to do. 769 01:34:10,678 --> 01:34:13,240 And so I told him I wanted to see 770 01:34:13,401 --> 01:34:16,085 if we could make a dinosaur. 771 01:34:18,968 --> 01:34:21,250 You can't bring back ancestral characters 772 01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:22,652 unless the ancestors exist. 773 01:34:23,492 --> 01:34:26,016 There's no better proof of evolution. 774 01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:30,942 The general public generally says, 775 01:34:31,302 --> 01:34:33,464 "Why would you want to do that?" 776 01:34:33,624 --> 01:34:35,748 You know, my philosophy is: 777 01:34:35,908 --> 01:34:38,590 we should know everything there is to know. 778 01:34:51,727 --> 01:34:53,207 And the end goal? 779 01:34:53,367 --> 01:34:54,770 To use all of our data 780 01:34:54,930 --> 01:34:58,174 to get as much information about dinosaurs as living animals 781 01:34:58,333 --> 01:34:59,856 as we possibly can. 782 01:35:00,616 --> 01:35:03,140 And, you know, 783 01:35:03,499 --> 01:35:06,303 have a little baby dinosaur running around! 784 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,844 Fossils are essentially like ghosts from deep time. 785 01:35:29,851 --> 01:35:34,897 You use these ghosts to resurrect an entire world. 786 01:35:39,863 --> 01:35:41,905 And so when I stand in the Sahara, 787 01:35:42,066 --> 01:35:44,068 I don't just see rocks. 788 01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:50,075 I see a vast river system. 789 01:35:52,317 --> 01:35:54,359 I see a pair of Spinosaurus 790 01:35:54,519 --> 01:35:57,003 patrolling these ancient waterways. 791 01:35:58,324 --> 01:36:01,728 I see giant flying reptiles soaring in the skies. 792 01:36:04,331 --> 01:36:07,414 The things you visualize in your mind, 793 01:36:09,257 --> 01:36:11,299 they were really there. 794 01:36:17,267 --> 01:36:20,630 That's when you understand the concept of deep time. 795 01:36:21,391 --> 01:36:24,434 Astronomy shows us how small we are in space. 796 01:36:24,594 --> 01:36:28,399 Paleontology shows us how small we are in time, 797 01:36:28,559 --> 01:36:31,563 and the slice of time that we call the present 798 01:36:31,723 --> 01:36:35,168 is really just this fleeting little thing, right? 799 01:36:37,329 --> 01:36:40,733 If there's one thing we've learned from paleontology. 800 01:36:41,494 --> 01:36:44,738 it's that no species lasts forever. 59480

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