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-So, they took us to a place just opposite Mount Fuji.

♪♪

They take you to this open clearing

in the middle of the forest.

You see three freshly dug graves in... in the ground.

O.M.G.

Like... Like, what is this?

They covered you... Your entire body

with this blue plastic bag,

and you then know.

Reality kicks in.

You go into fight-or-flight mode.

Then you started feeling the sand.

They shovel the sand on top of your entire body.

♪♪

Now you're thinking, "Am I gonna die?"

♪♪

-All around the world,

people are being reborn through ancient ritual

to activate their optimum selves,

channel their spiritual light, and defeat evil.

♪♪

These are the warriors of the Modern Mystery School,

true believers dedicated to saving the planet

with their own secret methods of martial arts, metaphysics,

and magic.

♪♪

-When I was on the mountain,

every cell in my body was saying, "What are you doing?"

And then I started thinking back...

"Do you know what? You've come this far.

There has to be something in this."

All of a sudden, there was someone standing at the end,

and they asked you to sit up,

and they literally pulled you up and pulled you out.

♪♪

And that was your initiation. It was almost like a rebirth.

♪♪

-This unassuming Tokyo office block is home

to the global headquarters of the Modern Mystery School.

With a presence in as many as 10 countries,

finding the Mystery School isn't hard.

But to unlock its secrets,

members must commit themselves to a spiritual crusade...

♪♪

and be prepared to go to war with demons.

♪♪

-And this was my sword,

which is a samurai sword.

As you can see, it's absolutely beautiful.

And my god... and you get given a god name or a goddess name,

and mine was Quan Yin.

So, she's all about love and compassion.

And I just happened to choose this sword,

which is all about the story of Quan Yin.

And she's the only one that's allowed to ride the dragon.

Deep breath...

Got this. Let's do it!

Saving other people's lives.

[ Clicks tongue ]

♪♪

So, my name is Bernice Van Eck,

and I'm a personal global coach,

and I go around the world

to help people to empower themselves

and to help them to awaken to who they are,

their divine inner essence.

When I was a little girl, I always had

this psychic intuition and psychic abilities.

I always saw massive, like, tragic events happening,

and it kind of disturbed me,

so I blocked it out completely.

And then one day I decided,

"Well, I'm actually going to see a psychic."

♪♪

[ Indistinct whispers ]

♪♪

-The psychic encourages Bernice

to attend a beginners course at the Modern Mystery School.

Called a Life Activation session,

it comes with a herbal elixir to detox your DNA

and uses a special crystal wand to awaken your divine blueprint.

-I went and did this Life Activation with Julia,

and I thought, "This is really strange."

She's poking this thing into the back of my head.

And to be honest,

I didn't really feel anything at the time.

-The $150 entry-level class

also promises to unlock the secrets of continued healing

for anyone willing to take the next step.

-So I thought, "I'm curious.

I'm just gonna carry on going with this."

And then she just suggested, "Do this healing modality,

do this next class," and there was always

a next class, and there was always a next class.

You know, I just got deeper and deeper into it.

♪♪

-From the mists of time...

come ancient methods for modern living.

♪♪

-Welcome to the Mystery School.

-[ Chanting in Latin ]

[ Exhales sharply ]

I'm a third-step Ritual Master,

Um, I'm a guide, I'm a cabalist.

On top of that, I'm a temple leader, I'm an Enochian warrior,

I am an Egyptian high priest, I am a Celtic shaman.

-Steve Arawn is an apartment manager

and pool cleaner in California

when he joins the Mystery School in 2005.

-Yeah, it gets really bizarre

trying to even explain this to somebody from the outside.

I felt like, wow, this place has been around

for 3,000 years, is what I'm being told,

and I'm meeting all these people who seem to be akin in spirit

and wanting the same kind of things out of life.

♪♪

That's what excited me.

So, we're gonna make you adept as a human being

to be the best that you can be,

so then you can become a teacher and a healer,

so then you can carry that forward.

-So, it was that constant going to the next level,

the next level, the next level

to try and try and pull and find something

that was going to give me this aha moment... "this is it now."

♪♪

On the healer path, you start with learning

how to do the Life Activation protocol.

That's a one-week process, which costs a fortune.

Then you've got to do another course called Sacred Geometry,

then another course on astral travel.

Once you've done Healers Academy I,

then you are encouraged to do Healers Academy II.

[ Chuckles ]

The third-step initiation is when you become

a fully qualified exorcist at the highest level

to be able to travel the world,

close gates, take out demons,

do the really, really hardcore stuff.

[ Objects clattering ]

-The Mystery School teaches that bad things,

like natural disasters or school shootings,

happen when demons cross from the spirit world onto Earth.

♪♪

-You're going head-to-head with the higher-level demon.

♪♪

You're wearing all black.

You're... You're setting yourself

in this mystic, black, dark energy.

-We were told that there used to be portals that opened up

where these demons were literally coming in

onto the planet.

We had to go in

and we were trained with specific exorcism training

in the Warriors of Light programs

to go in and shut down those gates

so that the demons don't come in.

But you had to be super focused.

It was literally, "I'm going to go up and fight a war."

That's... That's how it was.

-Leading this crusade is founder and chief Gudni Gudnason,

an Icelandic healer who claims

he is a direct descendant of the god Thor,

a man with extraordinary and potentially dangerous powers.

♪♪

-He's lived a thousand different lifetimes, you know,

and... and has all these stories.

And a lot of it, when you hear it, is like, "Ah, is that real?"

But then you see everything else that's going on,

and you're like, "Well, it must be real.

You couldn't just get away with saying that stuff."

♪♪

-When I came across the Modern Mystery School,

I was in a very, um, precarious place, I would imagine,

as most people would find themselves

after a couple of, um, divorces [chuckles]

and your children are growing up and moving out of the house,

and I was, um, very curious about the occult.

♪♪

-Edie Koleszar is recruited in 2005 by members of the school

at a talk near her home in Ontario, Canada.

♪♪

You're special,

you're above people,

so you're here to save people's souls.

♪♪

Every time I had a negative feeling,

I felt like, "It's me. I need to push it aside."

I thought, "This is my anxiety.

I am not going to pay attention to it.

I am going to go out

and I'm going to become a better person than what I am

and I'm gonna learn some things."

Well, I learned some things.

[ Laughs ]

Many things. Many things.

Mm-hmm.

♪♪

[ Birds chirping ]

[ Indistinct conversations, laughter ]

-[ Speaking Japanese ]

♪♪

-First time I met him, I was a little bit impressed,

to say the least.

We were told to meditate, so I'm meditating,

and I had a vision of this unicorn,

and it gently touched my face, and I felt this energy.

So, he comes traipsing in the room and he's like,

"So, who's seen my unicorn?"

And I was just like, "Are you kidding me?

Who is this guy?"

♪♪

-One part shaman, one part TV pitchman,

Gudni turns skeptics into believers

with a potent blend of marketing savvy

and mystical propaganda,

including his own origin story.

♪♪

-I was born under weird circumstances,

and I was born an identical twin.

My brother, though, he died

about 30 minutes after he was born.

Because of the connection between twins,

you know, I was with him more than here.

You know, I would wake up in the morning,

but my... I wasn't really there.

My mother put me on the floor

and I would just sit there all day,

and my... my soul was not in my body.

I was raised with beings that, you know,

we... we normally call gods or angels and these beings.

That was the first 10 years of my life.

♪♪

-If you take everything he says at face value,

his life is very interesting.

♪♪

-Ragnar Hansson is one of the few outsiders

ever given access inside the Modern Mystery School.

He has spent the last two years

filming a documentary about Gudni.

♪♪

-Quartz crystal.

Yep.

-Gudni is a boy from Iceland, from Reykjavik, who grew up here

and obviously had high hopes and dreams for himself

and managed to somehow achieve it

through sheer willpower and imagination, mostly.

♪♪

This is the school that he... he went to, apparently.

He describes himself as exceptionally intelligent and...

normal school basically boring him.

♪♪

-In his early 20s,

Gudni latches onto local martial arts experts

who were also twins.

They soon become his mentors,

and when they get roles in an Icelandic cult film,

Gudni gets one, too.

♪♪

He tastes the limelight and is hooked.

He leaves behind a wife and child

to follow the twins to Sweden, performing with them,

living with them, and absorbing their teaching style.

Gudni also experiments with spiritualism,

focusing in particular on secret societies

dedicated to the study of paranormal and the occult.

Inspired, he leaves behind a second wife in Sweden

and returns to Iceland,

where he quickly makes a splash in the local press.

He triggers national outrage

running a fight club for children.

-Olympic boxing and contact sports

was illegal in Iceland.

These were just kids, untrained kids,

just beating each other up.

-He is exposed for lying about being a black belt in karate

and is found to be running from mounting debts.

-He had burned all his bridges and had to flee Iceland in 1995.

-Next stop... Utah.

-Before too long, he's starting all manner of businesses

and claiming himself an expert in all manner of things.

Running The Edge bodyguarding, and offering seminars

in protecting yourself from school shootings,

and shilling magic potions on the internet.

-Then two things happen.

One, Gudni starts working with employees of Amway,

America's leading multilevel marketing company.

-We're earning extra income as Amway distributors,

bringing others into it.

-♪ We're the world of Amway ♪

-Two, he finds a third wife, Laurie Secrist,

a local psychic running a successful healing business.

-Gudni and his wife at the time

claimed that they were driving one night

when they saw a plasma ship crash-land into a lake.

They claimed that they were taken on board this ship

and given access to incredible technologies.

And combined with the knowledge

that they had been passed down through a 3,000-year lineage,

it allowed them to fully activate human DNA

for the first time,

and that knowledge formed the basis

of the Mystery School curriculum.

-In Utah,

Gudni combines everything he has learnt until now.

Performance, mysticism,

secret societies, manipulation, and salesmanship

coalesce into a business idea

that will bring thousands of followers under his spell.

♪♪

With Laurie, he creates the Rocky Mountain Mystery School,

an exclusive society of magic and martial arts

open to anyone willing to pay.

-Who am I? Why am I here?

What is the purpose of my life?

What should I be doing?

All of our tools are aimed at answering these questions.

♪♪

[ Cheers and applause ]

-Gudni adds one final twist straight from Amway's playbook,

placing a premium on recruitment

so students themselves grow the school and his profits.

-He told me when he... When he first came to America

that he had $32 in his pocket,

and two years later, he had a million dollars.

And I was curious, and I asked him,

"How... how did you make that money?"

And he told me, "Multilayer marketing,"

which is literally what

the Modern Mystery School seems to have become.

-From the early 2000s onwards, the Mystery School grows

from a handful of meditation and martial arts classes in Utah

to a million-dollar spiritual empire with chapters in Canada,

South Africa, Britain, and Brazil.

As Gudni's status grows, so do his infidelities.

Laurie files for divorce

after exposing multiple affairs with students.

They split the company, and Gudni hits the road again.

♪♪

♪♪

-In Tokyo, Gudni leads the life of a spiritual guru

with the perks of a rock star.

He's married for a fourth time, to Aiko,

who shares his love of fantasy

and joins Gudni on his world-saving mission.

♪♪

-Whatever it is you want, whatever dreams you have,

I can.

- I can! - Yes!

♪♪

♪♪

-You have to purchase this gi,

which cost at the time probably about 4,500 rand.

♪♪

And as you can see here, I've gone and done all of these

at all the different countries all over the world.

So, to actually get a badge is... is quite an honor,

and it's exciting to... to get that badge.

It's like doing karate and you get a new belt.

♪♪

-After a while, they really groom you

into taking responsibility in the group itself,

and you begin to pay for things more and more.

[ Chuckles ]

-Literally, you have to keep feeding the system

over and over and over again.

You've got to travel all over the world at your own expense.

You've got to pay your own hotel, pay for all your meals.

-Once followers of Modern Mystery School

reach a certain level,

they can earn money by training new recruits,

but often not more than they're paying out

to reach elite status themselves.

-Even when you're a qualified guard,

you still pay a portion of that money to the school.

Doesn't go into your own pocket, only a small amount of it.

That's how they kept constantly making their money.

-Students are told to charge as much as possible for classes

in order to keep the money flowing in and up.

-Where's the money going to?

Gudni, Dave, Hideto.

-Dave Lanyon and Hideto Nakagome are Gudni's next-in-command.

-Welcome to this broadcast.

We are sitting in my spacecraft a few kilometers above Earth.

-Hideto Nakagome helps to spread the teachings

of the Modern Mystery School in the East.

♪♪

-I'm gonna now flow... light energy through the gate

and straight to you.

-Dave Lanyon, who goes by the title Ipsissimus Thor,

runs the school's day-to-day business.

-I will tell you that at the highest end,

the School of the Mage program is prob... about four years long,

and it's about $100,000.

♪♪

-Dave offers these extravagant healings

that cost, literally, I've got to sell a kidney and a leg.

[ Laughs ]

And Gudni does, as well,

and they're supposed to be "saving you from demons"

and from, you know... Bringing in angels

and massive protection.

-[ Speaking indistinctly ]

Private sessions, you might say?

Private healing sessions.

Essential oils.

-Mm.

-Only pure medical grade.

-Wow.

♪♪

-I must have spent about 2 million rand,

and that's probably just... That's just off the cuff.

-I would say that if you include travel,

I'm over $100,000 in my...

my metaphysical trainings with the Mystery School.

I mean, there were classes that I had to pay in cash

thousands of dollars,

just set it on an altar and walk away from thousands of dollars.

And that happened a lot of times.

That was not just a one-time thing.

-And I don't know how, miraculously,

I kept manifesting this money.

So, I went to different banks, got different credit cards,

and I just got myself deeper and deeper

and deeper and deeper into debt.

And I'm still in debt to this day.

-I'd say about a good $95,000 just on classes,

let alone expenses and everything.

A lot of money. [ Chuckles ]

A lot of money.

♪♪

[ Sighs ]

-All money is,

in the perspective of the Mystery School,

is an amplifier for your internal belief system

to be expressed in a physical way.

-He kept telling me about this stuff that he was buying online.

[ Laughing ] He was always tired.

He was usually tired when I met him

because he stayed up on online auctions,

buying all these autographed posters,

a guitar owned by Michael Jackson,

just all sorts of stuff.

[ Indistinct conversations, laughter ]

♪♪

-They say that when you come to the Mystery School,

you're gonna be financially abundant,

and the more classes you take, the more abundance.

And it doesn't matter if you borrow money from the bank,

because that's, you know...

Money is energy, it's flowing,

so borrow all the money that you can.

-While Gudni and his inner circle are living the high life,

Bernice and her fellow trainees constantly struggle

to find the funds to keep on paying.

♪♪

One of them, Chrissy Venter,

confides in the others that she desperately wants to quit.

-Chrissy was one of the people

that was absolutely petrified about leaving the school.

Money was a problem because she was a single mum.

She was working, she had a full-time job,

but there is that concern of running out of money.

-Leaving the Modern Mystery School is something

Gudni and Dave strongly caution members against.

-The school makes you believe that if you leave the school,

that you're gonna be possessed by the devil.

If you leave the school, you're gonna get cancer

and this disease and that disease,

and it's all about fear.

-The only way to counter that fear,

in Gudni's world, is to stay in the light,

which means paying for more

Modern Mystery School qualifications

and staying poised for the next battle against evil

he instructs them to fight.

♪♪

[ Rumbling ]

♪♪

In 2011, an earthquake and tsunami

set off a nuclear meltdown at Fukushima,

just 150 miles north

of the Modern Mystery School's headquarters in Tokyo.

-When the Japan crisis happened,

Gudni sent a message for me to come to Tokyo.

-Those who join the school

swear not to share its secrets with the outside world.

But a handful are speaking out for the first time

on the condition of anonymity.

♪♪

-Gudni told us there was a giant demon

who had shaken the ground in Japan.

He said dark energy was rising up from the ground,

and we had to stop the demonic infestation.

One of the other students called and said,

"Gudni wants you to come to Japan."

I said, "I'm in school. I can't."

He said, "[Bleep] school. Come now. Here's a ticket."

♪♪

♪♪

-We... We drove up there on the fourth day.

And of course, no idea what was... what we expected.

When we got up there, though, it was obviously horrific.

And since then, we've been up there almost every day,

and we're still going up there.

-The Fukushima meltdown is a disaster for Japan,

but an opportunity for Gudni.

While he publicly offers food

and free massages to the victims,

behind closed doors, he's using the event

as a way to recruit new students into his fight against evil,

which includes cleansing the city of the demon

that caused the earthquake.

♪♪

-We had these daggers that were 18 inches long.

We went out at night around Tokyo on gridding missions...

♪♪

secretly standing on street corners,

creating invisible walls.

-And you're believing things

that you didn't believe before, suddenly.

They groomed you, groomed you, groomed you,

and where that point comes where you are in it.

-For me, when I met Dave, it was like, "Wow, he's amazing."

♪♪

I felt a huge energetic connection with him, massive.

-Not long after Fukushima, Bernice is told

she's been singled out for a special mission

with the school's top warrior, Dave Lanyon.

-He had told me that I was the chosen one

to eventually have sex with my teacher

to save millions of souls.

-For Bernice, this means traveling to Mount Fuji

to spend three days sitting in an invisible magic circle

before being reborn by getting buried alive.

-He had told me that he had feelings for me,

and I had to first climb up to the different ranks

till I was a certain level in his eyes, energetically,

to be able to have sex with him.

♪♪

-You're told that you should have a lot of sex

with a lot of different people, but it's up to you.

But if you're not doing it, you're just uptight, you know?

You don't even understand yourself.

♪♪

-All sorts of just tantra stuff going on there, like sex magics,

and an exercise I was given was to go into the bathroom

and masturbate, but not allow myself to come,

because that energy being held

is what allows you to be a stronger warrior.

-Although not officially on the curriculum,

some students say there was another level

to sexual activity within the school,

reserved for a select few handpicked by Gudni.

♪♪

-I've chosen to remain anonymous

because I really just don't want this to impact my family.

♪♪

Okay, so, a typical tantric session

would usually start, like, with a group date.

You're out together, flirting, touching,

you know, like a date... Wining and dining each other.

Oftentimes, Gudni would take us to an erotic show,

a live show of naked women.

♪♪

And then when it's time, we go back to Gudni's place

and he assigns partners.

The beds are always completely white,

white curtains, candles,

food, strawberries, chocolates, things, sex toys.

And you're not only there with your partner... you, you know,

can do, quote-unquote, "work" with anyone,

but it's all just, you know,

this act of sex from that point.

♪♪

-I was made to do things I didn't want to do.

In Tokyo, I slept in a bed with my male mentor in the school.

♪♪

One night, he said to me, "You need to drink this beer.

You need to suck my dick.

You need to [bleep] me."

So... I did it.

♪♪

-Huh, what did I just do?

What was that about?

When the men climax...

Not inside the woman, never.

It's always to be done on the face, the breast, the belly.

♪♪

-No one ever orgasmed inside.

There was a cancer patient once,

and we knew we were healing her, so the men would orgasm on her.

The whole time, the focus was on that person healing,

so the men would ejaculate

on the area that needed to be healed.

-It's very dark.

And I don't think a sociopath can see it that way.

♪♪

♪♪

-After my third-step initiation, Dave said to me, "You re ready."

♪♪

-Bernice is selected by

the head of the Modern Mystery School's South African chapter,

Rita van den Berg,

for a sacred mission with Dave Lanyon,

and now he's come to collect.

-Rita said we have to make sure that my nails were done

and that I was completely prepared.

At about 11:30 that night,

I received the WhatsApp... I must go to his hotel.

♪♪

I went inside, we sat on the couch, and he said to me,

"Take off your watch, 'cause here, there's no time."

We obviously had sex, and when I looked at him, I-I was like,

"This is just a man."

♪♪

-Oh, my God, yeah. You're embarrassing me.

[ Groans ]

Hold on, I've got to cool down.

[ Sputters, chuckles ]

-He was not some "guru" or some, you know, Ipsissimus

or some, you know, god.

He... He was just a normal man.

- MMS porn. - MMS porn.

MMS porn is the worst, though.

[ Laughter ]

-I felt used.

And that's when I started to pull away.

♪♪

-Not long after,

Bernice informs Dave she is leaving.

-I blocked every single one of them on Facebook

and I disappeared.

They went on a complete rampage on social media.

They said the most horrific things about me,

but I did expect that.

They took photographs of me,

they drew devil horns on my head.

If you tell lies, you have to continue telling the lies.

♪♪

-A few months later,

Bernice's training partner Chrissy also leaves the group

and is stripped of her qualifications

after running out of money.

♪♪

[ Both laugh ]

♪♪

-When Chrissy and I started dating in July 2017,

she was not an active member of this organization anymore.

She said the fees just became ridiculous.

-But when Chrissy and Peter welcome a son, Layken,

later that year,

it reopens the door to Modern Mystery School.

-I thought the baby would make a difference.

But Chrissy had a-a tough pregnancy.

♪♪

-Chrissy is diagnosed with breast cancer

not long after giving birth.

Rather than begin chemo,

she turns back to Modern Mystery School,

banking on a miracle cure

and begging to be allowed back into the group.

-It got to a stage where Chrissy believed

that if she reactivates her qualifications

that she would actually heal.

-14 years ago, I had stage 4 lung cancer.

They gave me one year to live. That's 14 years ago.

I went to an ozone clinic, ozone clinic.

I got ozone in my vein twice a day for about 30 minutes,

and in one week,

I was clean of... The cancer was gone.

This is a 70-year-old method from Germany.

They're still using that.

-In November 2019, the cancer grew even more,

and then she decided to take...

to take chemo.

♪♪

♪♪

Layken was 2 1/2 when she passed, which is young,

but he remembers.

He remembers.

He speaks about her, and he asks,

and he tries to understand.

-In the days after her death,

Peter discovers disturbing messages between Chrissy

and Modern Mystery School leadership.

-She was in constant contact with them.

Most of this contact, especially with Rita,

were paid-for sessions.

Some of the WhatsApps said, you know, that Rita was waiting

for the bank confirmation, and then they can talk.

♪♪

-While Chrissy is dying of cancer,

she's receiving short phone blessings,

some of which cost $200 each.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

-Here's an email received from, it says Dr. Rita van den Berg.

It says, "Description:

spiritual drug detox healing, Chrissy...

150,000 rand."

Ancestral therapy for Layken is 150,000.

-The healing treatments for Chrissy and her son

cost the equivalent of $50,000...

Money she does not have.

-The evidence is clear that,

in the last days, if she didn't have the money,

she wouldn't have had their support.

♪♪

People are managed by fear.

They... They're driven...

by guilt.

♪♪

And it's...

[ Sighs ]

is it a cult?

♪♪

I guess you could say it's a cult.

♪♪

-Worried?

- [ Speaking Japanese ] - If you're worried,

it's because you are thinking of something that already passed.

♪♪

♪♪

-Very few lawyers take on organized religion.

But Japan has a history of cults

and a number of specialist lawyers

who make themselves available

to victims who dare to come forward.

-Leaders of the school quickly settled out of court.

And to date, Modern Mystery School have faced no charges

based on allegations of financial or physical abuse.

-Oh, yeah!

[ Laughter ]

-'Sup? Whassup?!

♪♪

♪♪

-Okay, so I'm gonna give you a gift today.

But to receive this gift, guys, you need to be in the nude.

[ Laughter ]

♪♪

-Hey, you sexually exploited people.

Hey, that's not okay.

Hey, it's not okay that you groomed people.

It's abuse.

Period.

Like, it's so disgusting...

I have no words.

♪♪

What consequences are there to this type of abuse?

They should be tried for destroying people's lives.

For the women that they did sexually exploit,

I feel there should be compensation.

-It was intended to be magical.

I do believe, in his heart of hearts, Gudni wanted it to be.

But I also think he wanted to get his rocks off.

-Of the former members with testimony about alleged abuse

from their time in the school, none will go public,

fearing for their safety and that they won't be believed.

♪♪

-Since leaving the school, I've deeply questioned myself.

Was I asking for it?

Was it something I was suppressing?

It was none of that. It was abuse.

I developed a very deep depression,

alcohol, drugs, after I left.

They will tell you that this is because I left the school,

but [bleep] them

and [bleep] their hold on people's reality.

-I've seen a lot of people in absolute fear

to say anything, to this day.

They believe everything they were taught to the "T,"

and they are terrified of demonic attack.

-I do wish I could come out on the record

and say all of this,

but I still half expect to sit up in the night

and see Gudni standing at my bed.

-They condition you, they... they... they...

you know, they tell you that it's always your fault,

and you know, if you can't come up with money,

it's because you aren't manifesting enough.

-The Modern Mystery School is definitely a cult.

The whole scheme, the setup, it's a pyramid scheme.

The people at the bottom will never make money...

only the people at the top.

-Yes, I guess the bottom... bottom line is,

I hate to say it, and it's weird that I hate to say it,

but yes, it is, it is...

It... It fits the definition of a cult, from my experience

and the folks that I had gone through this experience with.

Would I do it again?

In a heartbeat.

The teachings, I think, are legit.

I-I really do.

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-I think he's been running all his life, but...

[ Sighs ]

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I don't think he's ever really faced any real consequences.

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He's found a...

a good output for turning his [bleep] into gold, literally.

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