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[Ninfa] My sister Rita,
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she was my best friend.
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Rita would ask me
when it was time to go to bed,
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and we would share a room together.
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Uh, she would say,
"Would you like me to sing you to sleep
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or play you the flute?"
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Rita was the number one flute player
at the Georgetown High School.
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She was in the drill team.
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Rita and Kevin were just starting to date.
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They were going to the Highland Mall
in Austin, Texas
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to go see the movie Midnight Express.
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On the way home,
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the car ran out of gas on I-35.
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My father told us later
that he had seen Rita and Kevin walking,
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but didn't know it was his daughter.
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The next morning, she hadn't come home.
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So that's when the family
started to panic.
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And then, Tuesday morning,
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my mother was beside herself.
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She was cleaning out a closet
to stay busy,
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when suddenly,
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my sister...
my older sister heard on the radio
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that they had found a body
in McLennan County.
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And my sister screamed and told my mother,
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"That's Rita! They found Rita!"
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[sniffs]
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[voice breaking] And my mother said
to my older sister,
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"No, it's not.
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It's not my daughter. That is not Rita."
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Law enforcement called us
to the courthouse.
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They took us down to the basement...
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and they showed us... [exhales]
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Rita's clothes.
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That's when they told us
that Rita had been killed.
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Kevin had been shot in Georgetown
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and had six bullets in his head.
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Rita's body was found in Waco.
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She had run across a field,
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and they came
and shot her execution-style,
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right behind the head.
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Rita was killed when I was 16.
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It affects everything I do,
every day I live, every day I breathe.
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I miss her.
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[sniffles]
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No matter who it was,
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I just wanted justice.
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[speaks Japanese]
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Where's the murder?
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He's looking for, uh,
where one of the killings was done.
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He's trying to show him
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- where the killing was done.
- Another murder.
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Uh, he's, uh, directed us
to the, uh, scene of another murder.
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- [man speaking Japanese]
- Uh, this is a boy, uh...
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that was with a girl that we picked up
the other side of Georgetown.
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They had car trouble
and we stopped and picked them up.
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The boy had gotten out of the car,
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and, uh...
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was a little ways out in front of the car
when, uh, Ottis shot him.
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[man speaking Japanese]
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The girl, she was trying to get out
and we kept her in.
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We went on to, uh...
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- on up the road, uh...
- [man speaking Japanese]
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Oh, it's about, uh...
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Oh, let's see.
It'd be about 55 miles from here...
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- [man speaking Japanese]
- ...is where we shot the girl at.
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[reporter] Was the girl carrying anything?
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Well, yeah, she had, uh...
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a... a sweater,
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Uh, I think that was in her arms,
and I think, uh...
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I think a billfold or a purse,
one of them, I don't remember which.
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- [man speaking Japanese]
- Uh, she had...
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She had the sweater, I know, in her arms.
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So, uh, y-you have some, uh, information
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uh, from that body found here.
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- Yes.
- Does it match to the history?
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Uh, he's...
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As far as I'm concerned,
he has confirmed both cases.
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- [man speaking Japanese]
- The girl...
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[man continues speaking Japanese]
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The girl was killed, uh,
56 miles from here
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instead of 55.
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- [man speaking Japanese]
- She was carrying a sweater
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in her arms when she was shot.
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[Henry] Hmm.
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[Ninfa] It was a relief to know that...
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they had found Rita's killer.
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I wanted him to...
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to go to prison and...
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and sit on death row forever.
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Maybe not die immediately,
but just sit there and think about it.
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[newscaster] Henry Lee Lucas admits
to confessing to over 600 murders,
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including the one
that sent him to death row.
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[reporter] So why did you confess
to all those cases?
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[camera shutters clicking]
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Just one of them things, I guess.
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[newscaster] If Lucas dies
by lethal injection in December,
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he may take the answers
to some 100 untried cases along with him.
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One of the most vicious killers
in American history
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is set to be put to death
in a couple of weeks,
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but like Ted Bundy before him,
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Lucas is now desperately trying
to save his own life.
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I just want people to know
that I'm not the mass murderer.
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If my appeal is denied,
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I won't stand a chance of staying alive.
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This is Texas.
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And whatever happens in Texas,
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no matter what it is,
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they gonna have their way.
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[indistinct chattering]
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[Clemmie] My last visit to death row,
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he was saying, "I think they are gonna
execute me in a couple of days."
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And I said, "You know",
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when you open yourself to the Lord
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to help you,
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"He will."
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[indistinct chattering]
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[Henry] Unless George Bush
does something or...
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or the parole board does something...
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Well, they've never given clemency here
in the state of Texas yet, I don't think,
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so I don't think that they will now.
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We're a death penalty state.
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Uh, we've executed a lot of people.
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Governor Bush, in over 100 other cases,
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had refused to give any leniency.
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They were gonna put him to death
for the Orange Socks killing.
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And I knew,
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and I thought everybody knew by that time,
that he hadn't done it.
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[reporter] Henry Lee Lucas
was given the death penalty
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for the 1979 rape and murder
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of an unidentified woman,
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known only as Orange Socks.
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The only evidence connecting Lucas
to the killing was his confession.
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[reporter 2] But Lucas says
that confession was only a lie,
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and because of that,
his life should be spared.
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All I did was lie.
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What about the murderers out there
that's running in the street right now?
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[Parker] I was a lawyer
for Henry Lee Lucas
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on the Orange Socks case.
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[exhales]
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It seems incredible now. I...
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I don't know that I really...
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could see how crazy this case was
at that time.
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As soon as Jim Boutwell
heard about Henry Lee Lucas,
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he was convinced that he had the man
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who not only had killed
the Orange Socks victim,
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but also all the other cases
up and down the interstates.
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Jim Boutwell had a mystique and aura
around him
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that established him as untouchable.
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Always had a stetson, white shirt,
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boots, belt with the seal of Texas on it.
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So, when he started down
the path of Henry Lee Lucas,
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uh...
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most everybody went along with him.
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His word was the word,
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and we all looked up to him,
we all respected him.
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That was up there.
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[Jim] There's no doubt in my mind
that Henry Lee Lucas murdered that girl.
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[reporter] Why?
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Uh, because of some things he told me
in the initial interview,
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that only the killer could have known.
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He had not seen photographs,
he had not seen the reports,
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or anything
prior to the time of the interview.
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Do you want to tell us, uh,
just what happened?
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[Phil] Boutwell interviewed Henry
after I interviewed him.
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He told me that he didn't do it.
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So, you know, I-I...
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I just never felt comfortable
with that being one of his cases. [sniffs]
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[Jim] Is this the girl...
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That's the same girl.
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[Jim] ...that you picked up?
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- [Henry] That's the same one.
- [Jim] Okay.
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So I go jump on Henry again.
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I said, "Now, dang it, you lying to me?
You lying to him? What's the deal?"
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He said, "Ah, he just wanted to clear it,
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uh...
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so I took it for him."
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[Parker] Something happened in that jail
between Jim Boutwell and Henry Lee Lucas.
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Some relationship formed there...
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that was such
that Henry would do whatever it was
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that the sheriff wanted him to do.
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[reporter] Do you like him?
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[laughs]
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Well, I don't like what he's done,
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and he knows that.
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Uh, I see him on a daily basis
and have for over a year now.
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Uh...
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[clicks tongue] We get along.
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We get along.
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We get along by not lying to each other
and being truthful with each other.
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[reporter] So his track record
is real good?
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[laughs] Real good or real bad,
depending on how you want to look at it.
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- [reporter] But he is telling the truth?
- Yes.
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Sheriff Boutwell was known as the person
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who had the serial killer
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that everyone in the country
was talking about,
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and his ego and reputation
were wrapped up in that.
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In Sheriff Boutwell's office,
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there was a plaque on his wall,
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and it said,
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"To Sheriff Jim Boutwell,
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graduate of the
Henry Lee Lucas School of Psychology."
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[Phil] Sheriff Boutwell
had Lucas' psychology down.
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He was the only one
that could deal with Lucas when Lucas...
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got real angry and disturbed.
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Boutwell was the one
that we'd always call on to...
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you know, come and fix Henry.
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[Parker] I took Henry in
to see Sheriff Boutwell
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in January of 1984, because Henry...
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told me that he couldn't make
any more confessions
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and that he couldn't say no
to the sheriff.
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[plays recording]
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[Parker] Anyway, Henry, uh...
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Henry's told me again
that he wants to quit talking...
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- [Jim] Mm-hmm.
- [Parker] Feels like he can't say no.
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[Jim clears throat] Well, Henry,
I appreciate what you've done.
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[Henry] But I'm not doing it honest.
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I just don't have no control of myself.
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[Jim] Well, you need to just relax.
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Like you've been told...
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many times before,
you have a right not to talk,
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and I think, of course,
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I think you've got a right to talk too
if you want to.
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[exhales]
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[Henry] I feel that some of these things
that I'm accepting ain't mine.
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Uh, it seems like
everything I do is wrong.
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[Jim] Well...
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[Henry] I mean, it might not look like it
to you, but...
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I know that I'm accepting things
that do not fit.
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I just can't stop it.
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Mmm.
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[Jim] Well, maybe you just got it in you
and it wants out.
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Once you get it all out, why,
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maybe you'll be very much more peaceful
with yourself.
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Why don't you, uh...
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Why don't you watch the television
for a while?
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[sniffs]
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And if your nerves are bothering you,
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if you feel like you need
any more medication, or need to change it,
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why, all you got to do is let us know
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and we'll see a doctor
and see what we can do.
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You have a guy who's on the...
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brink of a nervous breakdown.
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And you have a sheriff who has...
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just come in
and once again manipulated him
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in a way...
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to satisfy
what the sheriff was wanting to do.
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I wish I could have seen it
at the time of...
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of what was going on with the sheriff
and with Lucas.
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It was clearly the result
of their relationship and... and this...
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the...
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um...
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a very, very sick man
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that was being manipulated
by the sheriff.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[Jim] That's fine.
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[Nan] Jim Boutwell was utterly convinced,
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without any doubt,
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that Henry was guilty for those crimes.
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It was Sheriff Boutwell's responsibility,
he believed,
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to persuade Henry to keep going,
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because the facts were there
and he was determined to get them.
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[speaking indistinctly]
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[Hugh] Boutwell believed Henry
to a certain extent,
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I'm sure,
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but he also wanted to clear his cases.
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[Guy] Sheriff is an elected position.
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Every four years, Sheriff Boutwell
had to run for re-election.
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He was a very popular sheriff.
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He was very conscious of the voters
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and I-I think he wanted
to clear up a lot of cases
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so that no one could say that
there were a bunch of unsolved murders
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that had happened on... on his watch.
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[Vic] Sheriff Boutwell had five cases
in Williamson County
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that Henry Lee Lucas made confessions for.
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Rita Salazar was from Georgetown,
the family was from Georgetown,
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and that's where Boutwell was the sheriff.
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You know, he wanted to close this case
and be a hero to that family.
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I did see the sheriff, Jim Boutwell,
come around quite often
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to talk to my mother.
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We believed everything he said.
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He was the sheriff.
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[Jim] Was the girl carrying anything?
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[Henry] Well, yeah, she had, uh...
a... a sweater,
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Uh, I think that was in her arms,
and I think, uh...
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I think a billfold or a purse,
one of them, I don't remember which.
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[Parker] It was easy to lead Henry
to a result.
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[man] Why did you leave the...
the orange socks on the body?
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I left it on a lot of 'em.
Uh, I really don't know why.
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[man speaking Japanese]
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[Parker] I think you had a perfect storm
come together
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of a con man who will say anything
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coupled with an aggressive sheriff
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who was wanting to bolster his reputation.
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Looking back on it now,
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it's obvious to me that Jim Boutwell
had a lot riding on Henry Lee Lucas.
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Time is 4:20 p.m.
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The location is the Williamson County
Sheriff's office in Georgetown.
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[Parker] Sheriff Boutwell would take
Henry's inconsistencies or mistakes
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as just part of the management process
of his key suspect.
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[Jim] Where did you pick up,
uh, that couple?
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In Shreveport, Louisiana.
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[Jim] Shreveport, Louisiana?
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The couple we're looking at
weren't picked up in Louisiana, Henry.
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They were picked up, uh, in this area.
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I realize it's possible you... you might...
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be somewhat confused over things,
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but you...
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you look again...
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at the boy's picture.
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[Parker] In all of Boutwell's cases,
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Henry had facts
that only the killer would know,
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like the case of Carolyn Cervenka.
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There was a missing girl
in Williamson County
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that was creating some problems
for Sheriff Boutwell.
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You told us earlier today...
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that you abducted
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a young girl.
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[Parker] Boutwell had gotten him
to confess to the murder
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of the missing Cervenka girl.
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I, uh, stripped her down
and had sex with her again
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after I killed her.
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Henry had confessed,
just like on all the others,
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and gave graphic detail
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about everything about Carolyn.
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Earlier you told us, Henry,
about her jewelry.
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Yeah, I recall,
it was a gold type necklace
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with, uh, some kind of
a little design thing on the front.
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[Vic] And Henry had described
her necklace.
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[Henry] I know that I know details
about it,
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such as her necklace,
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parts of the car and stuff like that,
but, uh...
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I can't explain right now, uh,
why I know them details.
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They finally found her
months and months later.
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She had drowned,
she'd had an epileptic fit.
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Drove her car into the water and drowned.
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[Vic] Nobody murdered Carolyn Cervenka.
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And when they pulled Carolyn up
out of the creek,
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she was still wearing that necklace.
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Henry had never seen Carolyn Cervenka.
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He had never seen that necklace,
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yet he described it to a T.
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How'd that happen?
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Henry, I'm going to give you these rights
once again.
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[Nan] I think Jim Boutwell
was utterly convinced...
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You have the right to remain silent...
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...that this was accomplishing
what he had set out to do,
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that there was no question
that it was being handled properly.
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Sheriff Boutwell was probably
one of the most professional officers
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I've been around.
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He demanded his officers be credible
that worked for him,
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and I certainly think he was credible.
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If there were some errors made there,
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I wish he was here to explain
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what caused him
to cause these cases to be cleared.
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But...
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he didn't have a chance to
because he passed away years... years ago.
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[Henry] I got all my information
from Sheriff Boutwell.
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Of course, he's not here to prove it now.
You know, he's gone, so...
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That sheriff, he went crazy.
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You know, he wanted everything
he could get, so I gave it to him.
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[man] So you think the sheriff
and the Rangers are the ones who...
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- Are they to blame?
- I don't know that the Rangers...
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I don't know whether the Rangers
are to blame,
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or whether the sheriff is to blame,
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or whether I'm to blame, you know?
I don't know.
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[man] What do you think's gonna
happen in the next couple of weeks?
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I either get to stay, or I die.
One or the other. [laughs]
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- You know, that's the way it is.
- [man] Okay.
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[Vic] In the '90s,
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after I won the verdict
against Channel 8,
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I became Henry's defense lawyer.
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In spite of there being
no physical evidence,
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no witnesses,
nothing to tie Henry to these crimes,
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except what came out of his own mouth,
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which was fed to him,
that he just regurgitated back out,
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Henry will probably be put to death
for something he didn't do.
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[Vic] Every case that I could prove
he was innocent
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cast more doubt on Orange Socks,
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and maybe slow down that ticking clock
toward his execution.
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Henry killed his mother.
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That's undisputed.
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I had my doubts
about the Becky Powell murder.
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I still didn't think he had committed it.
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Becky had been
Henry's traveling companion,
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one of his first victims,
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but Henry kept telling me Becky was alive.
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He said they had stopped at a truck stop
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and when he came out,
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he saw Becky climbing up
into an 18-wheeler.
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[Henry] She left with a truck driver,
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and she never came back.
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[Vic] Henry had gotten some letters
from somebody claiming to be Becky.
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They were coming from Missouri.
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So the detective that I hired,
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he and I went to Missouri.
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00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:31,224
We followed her in her station wagon.
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We staked out the house
where we thought she lived.
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[Vic] Okay, it's recording now.
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I'm gonna ask you, please,
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what was your name in 1979?
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Rita Lorraine Powell.
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00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,120
[Vic] Okay. Was that Becky Powell?
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00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,663
That's Becky Powell.
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00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:55,499
[Vic] How'd you get the name "Becky"?
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00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,629
It's just a nickname.
Everybody started calling me Becky.
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00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:01,588
[Vic] All right.
407
00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,466
Did you know Henry Lucas?
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00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,093
Yes, I did.
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00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,136
[Vic] How did you meet Henry Lucas?
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00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:10,097
Ottis brought him home.
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00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:11,765
[Vic] And who is Ottis?
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Ottis is my uncle.
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00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:17,938
[Vic] Where is the first place, Becky,
that you remember living?
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I remember living on 1st Street
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in Jacksonville.
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00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:25,112
[Vic] Okay.
417
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She could describe the house
that Becky grew up in.
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00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:33,912
Uh, she described the last time
that she ever saw Henry.
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00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,790
I ran off with a trucker.
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00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:37,999
[Vic] Okay.
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Left Henry.
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00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:44,214
[Vic] And then this lady
introduced us to her husband.
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[Vic] Tell us, uh, briefly,
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uh, how you met your wife.
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Well, I was coming from Wichita Falls,
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going to Fort Worth, Texas,
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00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:57,602
and I stopped at a truck stop
in Bowie, Texas.
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[Vic] All right. You say you were coming,
but were you driving a vehicle?
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00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:02,023
Yeah, my truck.
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00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,234
And, uh, what kind of truck?
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00:24:04,317 --> 00:24:06,945
Peterbilt, red, silver.
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00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:08,697
So I...
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stopped at this truck stop
and I saw this young girl out in front.
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00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:16,538
And, uh, she seemed...
435
00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:18,081
uh...
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troubled.
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00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:21,918
Uh, scared.
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[Vic] Is this kind of what she looked like
when you picked her up at the truck stop?
439
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:28,425
Yes, sir.
440
00:24:30,427 --> 00:24:31,887
Maybe a little bit older?
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00:24:39,394 --> 00:24:40,896
[Vic] I thought, "This is it.
442
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This is the smoking gun."
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00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:47,277
I flew her to Austin.
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00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:51,531
I hired a polygraph operator, a good one.
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00:24:52,616 --> 00:24:54,493
[man] Becky, why did you leave Henry?
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00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,580
[Becky] Because I was tired
of being broke and hungry.
447
00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:02,250
[man] Did he ever exhibit to you
any behavior
448
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,628
that would make you think
he was a mass killer?
449
00:25:04,711 --> 00:25:05,545
[Becky] No.
450
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And he came out smiling.
451
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:11,134
He said, "Vic, you have found Becky."
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[exhales]
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I felt so good.
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As soon as we got the polygraph report,
I went public with it.
455
00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:21,228
I wanted to get it out there because Henry
was facing the death penalty, see?
456
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:25,232
Henry Lee Lucas told investigators
he murdered Becky Powell here.
457
00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:26,775
Everyone believed him.
458
00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:28,318
Until now.
459
00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:31,530
We were there, but he did not cut me up...
460
00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:35,700
and throw me...
throw my body parts everywhere.
461
00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:37,786
Meet Becky Powell.
462
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:39,246
[video game sounds]
463
00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:42,832
[laughter]
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I was shocked to find out I was dead.
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[reporter] She also claims
she was with Lucas
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00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:52,801
the night the unidentified woman
only known as "Orange Socks" was murdered.
467
00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:55,929
Enough, attorneys believe,
to overturn Lucas' death sentence.
468
00:25:56,471 --> 00:25:59,224
He was trick-or-treating with me
and my brother Frank
469
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,892
in Jacksonville, Florida,
470
00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:03,603
at the time that Orange Socks was killed.
471
00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:07,941
Give me odds that this is Becky Powell.
472
00:26:08,024 --> 00:26:09,234
Oh, a hundred percent.
473
00:26:09,317 --> 00:26:11,861
And when the, uh, DNA comes in,
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00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:14,489
then that'll confirm
it's a hundred percent.
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00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:15,865
I'm very confident,
476
00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:19,202
but it's easy to be confident
when you're holding a royal flush.
477
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:20,829
This is Becky.
478
00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:23,248
[reporter] Investigative reporter
Hugh Aynesworth
479
00:26:23,331 --> 00:26:25,250
is an authority on the Lucas case.
480
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:28,003
He, too, says the woman is Becky Powell.
481
00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,880
She knows specifics about family,
482
00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,632
about housing units,
483
00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,509
about streets, about neighbors,
484
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:37,345
about happenings, dates,
things of that sort.
485
00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:40,515
I spent a good bit of time with her
and I'm convinced.
486
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:45,395
Then I might add,
why would you want to be Becky Powell?
487
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:55,280
[Phil] I got a call from Vic Feazell
saying that, uh...
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he had found Becky.
489
00:26:57,782 --> 00:27:00,577
He wanted DNA run
490
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,871
to prove that Becky was still alive.
491
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,456
And, of course,
492
00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:08,543
you know, I'm sitting there
and I'm-I'm-I'm knowing in my own mind
493
00:27:08,918 --> 00:27:11,254
that Henry confessed to killing her,
494
00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:13,340
confessed to how he killed her,
495
00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:16,635
pointed to the ground
where we'd dig up part of her.
496
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:18,678
You know, that's just...
497
00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:20,680
You don't write
that many coincidences off.
498
00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:24,059
So we need to put this fire out
as fast as possible.
499
00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:27,228
So I told him, I said,
"Well, let's put her under oath and...
500
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,939
uh, make sure
that she's telling the truth."
501
00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:33,652
When he said that,
it kind of ran up a red flag.
502
00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,029
Like, "Hmm, under oath."
503
00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,907
That means he might be wanting
to get her for perjury.
504
00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:40,825
So, uh...
505
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,370
I had a real come-to-Jesus meeting
with her.
506
00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:46,831
We sat and talked.
507
00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:50,293
In the meantime, I asked my wife
to go and look through her luggage.
508
00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,756
And my wife called me into the house
about an hour later.
509
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,176
She said, "Oh, my God,
I found a stack of letters like this
510
00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,220
between her and Henry Lucas."
511
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,223
And Henry was describing for her
512
00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:04,849
what the house looked like,
513
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,061
what Becky's house looked like,
what, uh...
514
00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,773
you know, how they met, all the trips,
all that kind of stuff.
515
00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:13,817
I mean, I just... I dropped.
516
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,485
I dropped.
517
00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:18,697
I th... I think I felt worse that day
than the day I got arrested.
518
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,283
Well, I'm a liar and a fraud.
519
00:28:22,951 --> 00:28:27,288
I asked Henry, I said,
"Well, what if I said I was Becky Powell?"
520
00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:31,209
At first, he said it would never work,
521
00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:32,836
and I said, "Why not?"
522
00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:36,965
And, um, he said,
"Well, were you ever fingerprinted?"
523
00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:38,091
And I said, "No."
524
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,551
[sniffs]
525
00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,221
I am in love with Henry.
526
00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:45,724
I'd do anything in the world for Henry.
527
00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,351
That's all I wanted to do,
528
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,770
was to get Henry out of prison.
529
00:28:56,109 --> 00:29:00,029
I guess I got my mind
to feeling like I was...
530
00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:04,159
her, because I wanted
to pull this off so bad.
531
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,287
One of the reasons why I wanted
to write to him
532
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,290
is because of his track record,
533
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,459
because he killed so many people.
534
00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:16,004
How did you come to meet the woman
who said that she was Becky Powell?
535
00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,090
Well, she comes down,
and when I first saw her, I said,
536
00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:21,092
"What... What you... What you want?"
You know?
537
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:22,594
I said, "Are you Frieda?"
538
00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:23,678
She said, "Yeah."
539
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,807
- [man] Did you believe she was?
- Yeah.
540
00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:30,435
[man] Do you still?
541
00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,148
It was just my first visit with him,
and he just...
542
00:29:35,231 --> 00:29:37,859
I just fell in love with him, and...
543
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,656
he was the nicest,
kindest man I ever met, really.
544
00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:49,871
Henry was feeding me all this information
through his letters,
545
00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:54,667
but in various parts of the letters
so they wouldn't catch on.
546
00:29:55,418 --> 00:29:58,797
[woman] Do you believe
that Becky is out there?
547
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:01,633
No. I believe she's dead.
548
00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,929
I think Henry killed her.
549
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,933
[reporter] Your attorney is very fearful
that you were part of this lie.
550
00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:10,975
Well, I'm not.
551
00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:14,187
[reporter] She claims
that she also visited John Wayne Gacy
552
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:15,396
and also Charles Manson.
553
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,816
[Henry] I can't say that,
because I don't know.
554
00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:19,984
Charles Manson...
555
00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:21,611
I told him, I said,
556
00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,364
"I think it's about time
you get out of prison."
557
00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,116
He said,
"I don't wanna get out of prison."
558
00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:29,911
He said, "You people are crazy."
559
00:30:30,411 --> 00:30:31,246
[laughs]
560
00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:39,963
[Vic] I'd been fighting this battle,
561
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,341
and I wanted it so bad, I believed it.
562
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,638
I felt it would give me back
my reputation,
563
00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:50,765
and all it did was hurt it.
564
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:57,063
I was angry at Phyllis.
565
00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:58,606
I was angry at Henry.
566
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,275
I was angry at myself.
567
00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:04,904
And that's when I quit representing Henry.
568
00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,449
He wrote me
some pretty sad letters after that,
569
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,660
but, by then, I had just had enough.
570
00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:15,081
This scam blowing up in your face,
do you think this has hurt your chances...
571
00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:18,376
I don't know whether it's a scam or not.
You people are telling me that.
572
00:31:18,918 --> 00:31:21,921
Are you mad because it means
you're that much closer to execution?
573
00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:23,131
No, it does not.
574
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,508
I don't give a damn
if I was executed tomorrow,
575
00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:26,885
you understand that?
576
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,345
[woman] Then why are you so upset?
577
00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:32,473
Why? Because of all the damn lies
that's going on.
578
00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:33,641
That's why.
579
00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:37,729
[birds chirping]
580
00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:47,906
[Nan] Henry was accustomed
to undergoing psychological tests.
581
00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:51,451
He was incarcerated as a teenager.
582
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:56,039
There were psychological reports from then
until the end of his life.
583
00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:05,840
Among them was a test for confabulation.
584
00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:11,137
Confabulation is a type
of memory impairment.
585
00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:15,975
In other words, a person has gaps
in the memory,
586
00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:21,856
and those gaps are automatically filled in
with invented information.
587
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:26,444
In this test, he was off the scale.
588
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:30,615
Henry would take facts,
589
00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:33,201
and then he would add fantasy,
590
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:37,664
and then he would add what he thought
the person he was addressing
591
00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,332
needed or wanted,
592
00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:41,709
and that would create a new truth.
593
00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:46,214
And that truth would shift
from moment to moment.
594
00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,841
How many people, really, did you kill?
595
00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:50,218
It'll be...
596
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:53,346
When it's finished,
I look for it to be over 360.
597
00:32:53,429 --> 00:32:55,556
It'll be way over 500.
598
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,101
My mother, back in 1960.
599
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,688
That is the only murder
I've ever committed.
600
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,482
And I'm not positive
I even committed that.
601
00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,025
[man] Are you a, uh...
602
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,195
- pathological liar, you think?
- Yeah.
603
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:12,407
- I am. [laughs]
- [man] Are you telling me the truth now?
604
00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:15,618
Yes, I'm telling you the truth,
because I can prove it, you know?
605
00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:18,329
- [man] Why should I believe that?
- I don't expect you to.
606
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,373
I expect you to find out the truth.
607
00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,793
- You know...
- [Nan] He never thought long-term.
608
00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,171
I think that was part
of his mental illness, actually.
609
00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:31,384
He was very focused
on surviving moment to moment,
610
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,137
and whatever was needed,
he was gonna give it,
611
00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:37,348
without thinking
about any kind of consequences
612
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:39,767
for anyone, himself or anyone else.
613
00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,479
Henry Lucas did not know
what the truth was.
614
00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:06,919
[newscaster] Texas Governor George W. Bush
615
00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:10,214
is pondering the fate
of multiple murderer Henry Lee Lucas,
616
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:12,216
scheduled for execution next Tuesday.
617
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,219
There are some questions
as to whether not Henry Lee Lucas,
618
00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:18,890
uh, committed the particular crime
that he was accused of.
619
00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:21,267
There's no question
he committed some of the other crimes.
620
00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:23,019
[speaking indistinctly]
621
00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:26,481
[Hugh] I was interviewing Governor Bush
at the time,
622
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,484
and I said, "George, by the way..."
623
00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,904
You're... you're gonna put a guy
to death Saturday
624
00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:35,323
"that is innocent."
625
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:39,077
[Parker] I had occasion
to run into Governor Bush at a function.
626
00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:43,623
I said, "There is now a death sentence
on your desk."
627
00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:46,042
It involves a client of mine,
628
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,587
that I firmly believe
in that client's innocence.
629
00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:50,713
"It's Henry Lee Lucas."
630
00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:57,428
[Anne] I heard on TV that...
631
00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:01,265
it's looking like this...
this could possibly happen.
632
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:02,892
He could get off of death row.
633
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,354
He confessed to killing my mother.
634
00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:11,692
I have read things in his confession
635
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,613
that sounded like my mother,
the way he described my mother.
636
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:18,991
I was convinced.
637
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,037
In my heart, I feel that Henry Lee Lucas
did kill my sister.
638
00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,374
Lucas was convicted of her death.
639
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,418
I believe that he was an animal,
640
00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,380
obtaining his 15 minutes of fame,
641
00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,090
glorifying himself.
642
00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,760
I had to see this man executed.
643
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:41,264
Well, of course we wanted Lucas to die!
644
00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:42,682
[laughs]
645
00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,308
Yes, we wanted him dead.
646
00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:47,436
Henry Lee Lucas murdered my sister,
Laura Jean Donez.
647
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,773
Henry Lee Lucas murdered my mother,
Joan Gilmore.
648
00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:53,442
Henry Lee Lucas killed my sister,
Rita Salazar.
649
00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,237
[Anne] I organized the group
650
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,366
so we could fight against people
who were saying Lucas was innocent.
651
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,035
[Anne] Whether he...
652
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,122
killed that woman or not,
what about these other...
653
00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:08,624
What about my mother?
What about all our other family?
654
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,501
You know, what about
all these other victims?
655
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,546
He can't get off death row. He can't.
656
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,845
[Bush] The first question I ask
in every case
657
00:36:20,928 --> 00:36:22,889
is whether or not there is any doubt,
658
00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:24,682
any doubt,
659
00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:27,310
about an individual's guilt or innocence.
660
00:36:28,477 --> 00:36:30,188
This is the first case I...
661
00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:32,773
since I have been the governor
where the answer to that question
662
00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:35,026
is yes, there's doubt.
663
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,989
Henry Lee Lucas is unquestionably guilty
664
00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:41,824
of other despicable crimes
665
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:45,494
for which he has been sentenced
to spend the rest of his life in prison.
666
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,038
However,
667
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,665
I believe that there is enough doubt
668
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,335
about this particular crime
669
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:56,339
that the state of Texas
should not impose its ultimate penalty
670
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,174
by executing him.
671
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:00,551
Okay, you take care, Henry.
672
00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:02,470
[reporter] Lucas's attorney
Rita Radostitz
673
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,472
was the first to notify Lucas.
674
00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,890
He didn't have anything to say.
675
00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,559
- He was very emotional. Um...
- [reporter 2] Was he crying?
676
00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:12,021
He said he wasn't, but as I said,
you can never believe anything Henry says.
677
00:37:12,104 --> 00:37:13,522
[laughter]
678
00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:23,866
[man] I think there are people who will
see this tonight who will say, um,
679
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:26,953
they're not sure whether you're crying
for those families or for yourself.
680
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,541
Well, God knows.
681
00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:36,837
I wasn't happy.
682
00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:37,755
[scoffs]
683
00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:39,840
I was livid.
684
00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:43,678
[reporter] Rosanna Fuentes
was going to see Lucas executed.
685
00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:48,015
He was convicted of murdering
her younger sister back in 1983.
686
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,642
I voted for him.
687
00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:51,978
I won't do it again.
688
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,064
[reporter] These victims' relatives say
they want to meet with the governor.
689
00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:57,024
They want to see cases reopened
690
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,110
in which Lucas was never tried
691
00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:02,113
in hopes
of getting another death sentence.
692
00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:05,658
Mr. Bush, what if it was your loved one,
693
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:06,951
your mother,
694
00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,288
your daughter that got killed?
695
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,874
[Ninfa] I started faxing
696
00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,627
newspapers all over the US
697
00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:19,964
that Governor Bush
was siding with a serial killer.
698
00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,425
[cheering and applause]
699
00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:26,304
Governor Bush was running for president,
700
00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,807
and he didn't want the bad publicity.
701
00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:34,020
His attorneys called me and said,
702
00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,105
"What do you want?"
703
00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:41,902
I asked the governor to test for DNA.
704
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,614
There was DNA on her underclothes,
705
00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:47,199
from the rape.
706
00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,414
We wanted to prove that he was guilty.
707
00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:57,043
We wanted him to stay on death row.
708
00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,004
We wanted him executed.
709
00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,432
[clears throat] All right.
710
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:29,116
[Vic] I remember getting the call
that Henry was dead.
711
00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:34,121
I was actually invited to his funeral.
712
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,414
[inhales]
713
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:38,250
But I wasn't gonna get up on a cold day
and drive down there
714
00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:41,420
and watch somebody
who'd lied to me like he did,
715
00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,672
uh, get buried.
716
00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,303
[Rosanna] He died of natural causes.
717
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,181
So, what he... [inhales]
718
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,892
Died knowing, died with him.
719
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,395
[piano playing "Amazing Grace"]
720
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,541
[Vic] There were only a few people
at Henry's funeral.
721
00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:21,752
The preacher and Clemmie.
722
00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,346
[Clemmie] I read a letter
that Henry wanted me to read,
723
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:36,767
asking the people
to forgive him for lying.
724
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:41,730
Then we sang "Amazing Grace."
725
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:49,488
Pretty soon, it was
like millions of singers overhead,
726
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,907
millions of angels singing.
727
00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:57,288
The most beautiful voices
I have ever heard in my life.
728
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:12,970
[birds chirping]
729
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:16,140
[woman] How many people did Lucas kill?
730
00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:17,933
At least three, maybe more.
731
00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:19,977
[Brokaw] What about
the hundreds of confessions?
732
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,980
If Lucas didn't kill
all of those people, who did?
733
00:41:23,063 --> 00:41:25,566
[man] The truth about Lucas
may never be known.
734
00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,203
[Larry] I was a detective
735
00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:39,413
for the Williamson County
Sheriff's Office.
736
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:51,342
DNA was just becoming
a popular investigative technique.
737
00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:00,309
I was asked to investigate
three different cases,
738
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:03,354
all three of which Sheriff Boutwell closed
739
00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:05,940
with Henry Lee Lucas' confessions.
740
00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:09,860
[Jim] Well, he's, uh...
741
00:42:10,819 --> 00:42:14,114
directed us
to the, uh, scene of another murder.
742
00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,368
- [Henry] We went on up the road, uh...
- [translator speaking Japanese]
743
00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:20,079
About 55 miles from here,
744
00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,414
is where we shot the girl at.
745
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,918
[Larry] He knew exactly, within one mile,
746
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:27,336
how far the...
747
00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:29,922
Rita's body was dumped.
748
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,134
There's no way he would have known
any of that...
749
00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,471
if he was not told by somebody,
750
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,516
because, as we know now,
he had nothing to do with the murder.
751
00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:50,651
The point that the sheriff
stopped being a hero for... for me...
752
00:42:51,986 --> 00:42:54,321
is when we found out that, um...
753
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,118
the two strands of DNA
didn't match Henry Lucas.
754
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,330
Then I knew, at that point,
that everything was a lie.
755
00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:07,543
As far as I'm concerned,
he has confirmed both cases.
756
00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:08,460
Thank you.
757
00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:09,378
Thank you.
758
00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,967
[Ninfa] Sheriff Boutwell was feeding
Henry Lee Lucas the information,
759
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:20,347
and closed cases, and lied to people about
who killed their loved ones.
760
00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:26,687
We were lied to for 20 years.
761
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,857
We believed Henry did it for 20 years.
762
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,613
And then we found out
who the real killer was.
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