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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:15,974 [Ninfa] My sister Rita, 2 00:00:17,308 --> 00:00:18,893 she was my best friend. 3 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:22,897 Rita would ask me when it was time to go to bed, 4 00:00:22,981 --> 00:00:24,816 and we would share a room together. 5 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:27,610 Uh, she would say, "Would you like me to sing you to sleep 6 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:29,279 or play you the flute?" 7 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:34,909 Rita was the number one flute player at the Georgetown High School. 8 00:00:35,326 --> 00:00:36,911 She was in the drill team. 9 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:41,124 Rita and Kevin were just starting to date. 10 00:00:41,916 --> 00:00:45,920 They were going to the Highland Mall in Austin, Texas 11 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:49,382 to go see the movie Midnight Express. 12 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:54,888 On the way home, 13 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:58,600 the car ran out of gas on I-35. 14 00:01:00,518 --> 00:01:05,774 My father told us later that he had seen Rita and Kevin walking, 15 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:08,568 but didn't know it was his daughter. 16 00:01:11,946 --> 00:01:15,241 The next morning, she hadn't come home. 17 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:20,080 So that's when the family started to panic. 18 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:23,958 And then, Tuesday morning, 19 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:26,628 my mother was beside herself. 20 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:29,798 She was cleaning out a closet to stay busy, 21 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:31,716 when suddenly, 22 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:35,345 my sister... my older sister heard on the radio 23 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:39,349 that they had found a body in McLennan County. 24 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:43,019 And my sister screamed and told my mother, 25 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:45,563 "That's Rita! They found Rita!" 26 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:46,898 [sniffs] 27 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,692 [voice breaking] And my mother said to my older sister, 28 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:51,069 "No, it's not. 29 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:54,155 It's not my daughter. That is not Rita." 30 00:01:57,450 --> 00:02:00,620 Law enforcement called us to the courthouse. 31 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:04,582 They took us down to the basement... 32 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:07,710 and they showed us... [exhales] 33 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,170 Rita's clothes. 34 00:02:11,506 --> 00:02:15,468 That's when they told us that Rita had been killed. 35 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:21,266 Kevin had been shot in Georgetown 36 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:24,477 and had six bullets in his head. 37 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:30,358 Rita's body was found in Waco. 38 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,070 She had run across a field, 39 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:37,198 and they came and shot her execution-style, 40 00:02:37,282 --> 00:02:38,491 right behind the head. 41 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:45,498 Rita was killed when I was 16. 42 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:52,297 It affects everything I do, every day I live, every day I breathe. 43 00:02:53,131 --> 00:02:54,340 I miss her. 44 00:02:54,966 --> 00:02:55,842 [sniffles] 45 00:02:58,303 --> 00:02:59,804 No matter who it was, 46 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,307 I just wanted justice. 47 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:06,311 [speaks Japanese] 48 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:13,026 Where's the murder? 49 00:03:13,109 --> 00:03:16,196 He's looking for, uh, where one of the killings was done. 50 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:17,197 He's trying to show him 51 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,990 - where the killing was done. - Another murder. 52 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:23,620 Uh, he's, uh, directed us to the, uh, scene of another murder. 53 00:03:23,703 --> 00:03:26,414 - [man speaking Japanese] - Uh, this is a boy, uh... 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,627 that was with a girl that we picked up the other side of Georgetown. 55 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:33,838 They had car trouble and we stopped and picked them up. 56 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,757 The boy had gotten out of the car, 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,716 and, uh... 58 00:03:37,592 --> 00:03:41,012 was a little ways out in front of the car when, uh, Ottis shot him. 59 00:03:41,095 --> 00:03:42,222 [man speaking Japanese] 60 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:45,350 The girl, she was trying to get out and we kept her in. 61 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:47,143 We went on to, uh... 62 00:03:47,602 --> 00:03:49,854 - on up the road, uh... - [man speaking Japanese] 63 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:51,481 Oh, it's about, uh... 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,988 Oh, let's see. It'd be about 55 miles from here... 65 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,950 - [man speaking Japanese] - ...is where we shot the girl at. 66 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:03,952 [reporter] Was the girl carrying anything? 67 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,954 Well, yeah, she had, uh... 68 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:07,580 a... a sweater, 69 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:11,251 Uh, I think that was in her arms, and I think, uh... 70 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:13,878 I think a billfold or a purse, one of them, I don't remember which. 71 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:15,922 - [man speaking Japanese] - Uh, she had... 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,133 She had the sweater, I know, in her arms. 73 00:04:19,717 --> 00:04:22,804 So, uh, y-you have some, uh, information 74 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:25,306 uh, from that body found here. 75 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:27,934 - Yes. - Does it match to the history? 76 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:31,646 Uh, he's... 77 00:04:32,146 --> 00:04:35,525 As far as I'm concerned, he has confirmed both cases. 78 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:37,777 - [man speaking Japanese] - The girl... 79 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,529 [man continues speaking Japanese] 80 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:42,907 The girl was killed, uh, 56 miles from here 81 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:44,492 instead of 55. 82 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:47,328 - [man speaking Japanese] - She was carrying a sweater 83 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:49,122 in her arms when she was shot. 84 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:50,665 [Henry] Hmm. 85 00:04:51,332 --> 00:04:53,835 [Ninfa] It was a relief to know that... 86 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:56,838 they had found Rita's killer. 87 00:04:58,298 --> 00:04:59,757 I wanted him to... 88 00:04:59,841 --> 00:05:01,759 to go to prison and... 89 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,845 and sit on death row forever. 90 00:05:04,429 --> 00:05:08,266 Maybe not die immediately, but just sit there and think about it. 91 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:54,062 [newscaster] Henry Lee Lucas admits to confessing to over 600 murders, 92 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:56,606 including the one that sent him to death row. 93 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,108 [reporter] So why did you confess to all those cases? 94 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:00,193 [camera shutters clicking] 95 00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:01,944 Just one of them things, I guess. 96 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:05,406 [newscaster] If Lucas dies by lethal injection in December, 97 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:09,911 he may take the answers to some 100 untried cases along with him. 98 00:06:10,411 --> 00:06:12,372 One of the most vicious killers in American history 99 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:14,457 is set to be put to death in a couple of weeks, 100 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,125 but like Ted Bundy before him, 101 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:19,212 Lucas is now desperately trying to save his own life. 102 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:22,465 I just want people to know that I'm not the mass murderer. 103 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:26,386 If my appeal is denied, 104 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:28,805 I won't stand a chance of staying alive. 105 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:31,099 This is Texas. 106 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:34,477 And whatever happens in Texas, 107 00:06:35,144 --> 00:06:36,813 no matter what it is, 108 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:39,690 they gonna have their way. 109 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:51,536 [indistinct chattering] 110 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,886 [Clemmie] My last visit to death row, 111 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:14,350 he was saying, "I think they are gonna execute me in a couple of days." 112 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:16,269 And I said, "You know", 113 00:07:16,644 --> 00:07:19,105 when you open yourself to the Lord 114 00:07:19,188 --> 00:07:20,982 to help you, 115 00:07:21,482 --> 00:07:22,525 "He will." 116 00:07:22,608 --> 00:07:23,901 [indistinct chattering] 117 00:07:24,777 --> 00:07:27,321 [Henry] Unless George Bush does something or... 118 00:07:27,405 --> 00:07:29,407 or the parole board does something... 119 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:34,954 Well, they've never given clemency here in the state of Texas yet, I don't think, 120 00:07:35,037 --> 00:07:37,165 so I don't think that they will now. 121 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:39,792 We're a death penalty state. 122 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:42,211 Uh, we've executed a lot of people. 123 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:49,927 Governor Bush, in over 100 other cases, 124 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,598 had refused to give any leniency. 125 00:07:56,684 --> 00:08:00,021 They were gonna put him to death for the Orange Socks killing. 126 00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:02,315 And I knew, 127 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:06,319 and I thought everybody knew by that time, that he hadn't done it. 128 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:09,113 [reporter] Henry Lee Lucas was given the death penalty 129 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:11,407 for the 1979 rape and murder 130 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,867 of an unidentified woman, 131 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:14,785 known only as Orange Socks. 132 00:08:15,244 --> 00:08:19,207 The only evidence connecting Lucas to the killing was his confession. 133 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:22,627 [reporter 2] But Lucas says that confession was only a lie, 134 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:25,213 and because of that, his life should be spared. 135 00:08:25,296 --> 00:08:26,797 All I did was lie. 136 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:30,968 What about the murderers out there that's running in the street right now? 137 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:33,638 [Parker] I was a lawyer for Henry Lee Lucas 138 00:08:33,721 --> 00:08:35,473 on the Orange Socks case. 139 00:08:36,682 --> 00:08:37,517 [exhales] 140 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:42,146 It seems incredible now. I... 141 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:45,107 I don't know that I really... 142 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:51,989 could see how crazy this case was at that time. 143 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:59,705 As soon as Jim Boutwell heard about Henry Lee Lucas, 144 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:01,874 he was convinced that he had the man 145 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:05,169 who not only had killed the Orange Socks victim, 146 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:08,839 but also all the other cases up and down the interstates. 147 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:13,177 Jim Boutwell had a mystique and aura around him 148 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:16,389 that established him as untouchable. 149 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:20,601 Always had a stetson, white shirt, 150 00:09:21,185 --> 00:09:24,355 boots, belt with the seal of Texas on it. 151 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:31,362 So, when he started down the path of Henry Lee Lucas, 152 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:32,280 uh... 153 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:34,407 most everybody went along with him. 154 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:39,036 His word was the word, 155 00:09:39,453 --> 00:09:42,623 and we all looked up to him, we all respected him. 156 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:43,791 That was up there. 157 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,795 [Jim] There's no doubt in my mind that Henry Lee Lucas murdered that girl. 158 00:09:47,878 --> 00:09:48,796 [reporter] Why? 159 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,800 Uh, because of some things he told me in the initial interview, 160 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:55,970 that only the killer could have known. 161 00:09:56,387 --> 00:10:00,224 He had not seen photographs, he had not seen the reports, 162 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:04,061 or anything prior to the time of the interview. 163 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:06,689 Do you want to tell us, uh, just what happened? 164 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:10,109 [Phil] Boutwell interviewed Henry after I interviewed him. 165 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:13,571 He told me that he didn't do it. 166 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:16,824 So, you know, I-I... 167 00:10:16,907 --> 00:10:21,162 I just never felt comfortable with that being one of his cases. [sniffs] 168 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:23,080 [Jim] Is this the girl... 169 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:24,373 That's the same girl. 170 00:10:24,457 --> 00:10:25,875 [Jim] ...that you picked up? 171 00:10:26,083 --> 00:10:28,294 - [Henry] That's the same one. - [Jim] Okay. 172 00:10:28,377 --> 00:10:30,087 So I go jump on Henry again. 173 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:33,424 I said, "Now, dang it, you lying to me? You lying to him? What's the deal?" 174 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:35,760 He said, "Ah, he just wanted to clear it, 175 00:10:35,843 --> 00:10:36,802 uh... 176 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:38,095 so I took it for him." 177 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:44,977 [Parker] Something happened in that jail between Jim Boutwell and Henry Lee Lucas. 178 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,063 Some relationship formed there... 179 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:51,651 that was such that Henry would do whatever it was 180 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,903 that the sheriff wanted him to do. 181 00:10:53,986 --> 00:10:55,196 [reporter] Do you like him? 182 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:56,238 [laughs] 183 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:58,616 Well, I don't like what he's done, 184 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:00,618 and he knows that. 185 00:11:01,744 --> 00:11:06,290 Uh, I see him on a daily basis and have for over a year now. 186 00:11:07,583 --> 00:11:08,542 Uh... 187 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,379 [clicks tongue] We get along. 188 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:13,631 We get along. 189 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:18,719 We get along by not lying to each other and being truthful with each other. 190 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,389 [reporter] So his track record is real good? 191 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:25,393 [laughs] Real good or real bad, depending on how you want to look at it. 192 00:11:27,561 --> 00:11:29,814 - [reporter] But he is telling the truth? - Yes. 193 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:33,359 Sheriff Boutwell was known as the person 194 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:36,237 who had the serial killer 195 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,115 that everyone in the country was talking about, 196 00:11:39,198 --> 00:11:42,827 and his ego and reputation were wrapped up in that. 197 00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:45,996 In Sheriff Boutwell's office, 198 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,873 there was a plaque on his wall, 199 00:11:48,582 --> 00:11:49,709 and it said, 200 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:52,086 "To Sheriff Jim Boutwell, 201 00:11:52,169 --> 00:11:56,757 graduate of the Henry Lee Lucas School of Psychology." 202 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:02,805 [Phil] Sheriff Boutwell had Lucas' psychology down. 203 00:12:03,472 --> 00:12:06,642 He was the only one that could deal with Lucas when Lucas... 204 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:10,688 got real angry and disturbed. 205 00:12:10,771 --> 00:12:14,024 Boutwell was the one that we'd always call on to... 206 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,360 you know, come and fix Henry. 207 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,323 [Parker] I took Henry in to see Sheriff Boutwell 208 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:24,076 in January of 1984, because Henry... 209 00:12:24,452 --> 00:12:27,288 told me that he couldn't make any more confessions 210 00:12:27,371 --> 00:12:29,749 and that he couldn't say no to the sheriff. 211 00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:31,000 [plays recording] 212 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:33,878 [Parker] Anyway, Henry, uh... 213 00:12:33,961 --> 00:12:36,547 Henry's told me again that he wants to quit talking... 214 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:39,633 - [Jim] Mm-hmm. - [Parker] Feels like he can't say no. 215 00:12:39,717 --> 00:12:42,511 [Jim clears throat] Well, Henry, I appreciate what you've done. 216 00:12:43,637 --> 00:12:45,347 [Henry] But I'm not doing it honest. 217 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:49,059 I just don't have no control of myself. 218 00:12:50,060 --> 00:12:51,771 [Jim] Well, you need to just relax. 219 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,025 Like you've been told... 220 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:59,570 many times before, you have a right not to talk, 221 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:01,322 and I think, of course, 222 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:04,074 I think you've got a right to talk too if you want to. 223 00:13:04,408 --> 00:13:05,326 [exhales] 224 00:13:05,409 --> 00:13:08,537 [Henry] I feel that some of these things that I'm accepting ain't mine. 225 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,084 Uh, it seems like everything I do is wrong. 226 00:13:14,376 --> 00:13:15,211 [Jim] Well... 227 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:17,588 [Henry] I mean, it might not look like it to you, but... 228 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,800 I know that I'm accepting things that do not fit. 229 00:13:22,718 --> 00:13:23,928 I just can't stop it. 230 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:26,347 Mmm. 231 00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:29,642 [Jim] Well, maybe you just got it in you and it wants out. 232 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:32,561 Once you get it all out, why, 233 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:35,314 maybe you'll be very much more peaceful with yourself. 234 00:13:36,273 --> 00:13:37,358 Why don't you, uh... 235 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,860 Why don't you watch the television for a while? 236 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:40,861 [sniffs] 237 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:43,239 And if your nerves are bothering you, 238 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:46,575 if you feel like you need any more medication, or need to change it, 239 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,285 why, all you got to do is let us know 240 00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:50,371 and we'll see a doctor and see what we can do. 241 00:13:51,872 --> 00:13:53,457 You have a guy who's on the... 242 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:56,418 brink of a nervous breakdown. 243 00:13:59,129 --> 00:14:02,299 And you have a sheriff who has... 244 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,513 just come in and once again manipulated him 245 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:09,557 in a way... 246 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:13,143 to satisfy what the sheriff was wanting to do. 247 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:16,230 I wish I could have seen it at the time of... 248 00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:22,736 of what was going on with the sheriff and with Lucas. 249 00:14:23,779 --> 00:14:27,366 It was clearly the result of their relationship and... and this... 250 00:14:27,449 --> 00:14:28,284 the... 251 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:29,618 um... 252 00:14:29,952 --> 00:14:32,371 a very, very sick man 253 00:14:33,747 --> 00:14:35,958 that was being manipulated by the sheriff. 254 00:14:37,626 --> 00:14:38,878 [camera shutters clicking] 255 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:39,879 [Jim] That's fine. 256 00:14:42,631 --> 00:14:45,342 [Nan] Jim Boutwell was utterly convinced, 257 00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:47,261 without any doubt, 258 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:49,763 that Henry was guilty for those crimes. 259 00:14:51,765 --> 00:14:55,436 It was Sheriff Boutwell's responsibility, he believed, 260 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,272 to persuade Henry to keep going, 261 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:01,817 because the facts were there and he was determined to get them. 262 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:03,652 [speaking indistinctly] 263 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:07,781 [Hugh] Boutwell believed Henry to a certain extent, 264 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:09,408 I'm sure, 265 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,870 but he also wanted to clear his cases. 266 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:16,790 [Guy] Sheriff is an elected position. 267 00:15:17,374 --> 00:15:21,253 Every four years, Sheriff Boutwell had to run for re-election. 268 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:23,130 He was a very popular sheriff. 269 00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:25,841 He was very conscious of the voters 270 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:29,428 and I-I think he wanted to clear up a lot of cases 271 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:32,806 so that no one could say that there were a bunch of unsolved murders 272 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:34,850 that had happened on... on his watch. 273 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:39,438 [Vic] Sheriff Boutwell had five cases in Williamson County 274 00:15:39,521 --> 00:15:41,899 that Henry Lee Lucas made confessions for. 275 00:15:43,984 --> 00:15:47,404 Rita Salazar was from Georgetown, the family was from Georgetown, 276 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:49,490 and that's where Boutwell was the sheriff. 277 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:54,620 You know, he wanted to close this case and be a hero to that family. 278 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:59,083 I did see the sheriff, Jim Boutwell, come around quite often 279 00:15:59,166 --> 00:16:00,542 to talk to my mother. 280 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,170 We believed everything he said. 281 00:16:04,338 --> 00:16:05,673 He was the sheriff. 282 00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:07,883 [Jim] Was the girl carrying anything? 283 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:11,512 [Henry] Well, yeah, she had, uh... a... a sweater, 284 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:15,182 Uh, I think that was in her arms, and I think, uh... 285 00:16:15,265 --> 00:16:18,435 I think a billfold or a purse, one of them, I don't remember which. 286 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:22,940 [Parker] It was easy to lead Henry to a result. 287 00:16:23,023 --> 00:16:26,110 [man] Why did you leave the... the orange socks on the body? 288 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,863 I left it on a lot of 'em. Uh, I really don't know why. 289 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,657 [man speaking Japanese] 290 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:35,995 [Parker] I think you had a perfect storm come together 291 00:16:36,203 --> 00:16:38,747 of a con man who will say anything 292 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:42,710 coupled with an aggressive sheriff 293 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:46,839 who was wanting to bolster his reputation. 294 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,133 Looking back on it now, 295 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:54,638 it's obvious to me that Jim Boutwell had a lot riding on Henry Lee Lucas. 296 00:16:55,055 --> 00:16:56,974 Time is 4:20 p.m. 297 00:16:57,266 --> 00:17:01,603 The location is the Williamson County Sheriff's office in Georgetown. 298 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:07,234 [Parker] Sheriff Boutwell would take Henry's inconsistencies or mistakes 299 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:10,946 as just part of the management process of his key suspect. 300 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,657 [Jim] Where did you pick up, uh, that couple? 301 00:17:14,241 --> 00:17:16,035 In Shreveport, Louisiana. 302 00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:17,703 [Jim] Shreveport, Louisiana? 303 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:21,957 The couple we're looking at weren't picked up in Louisiana, Henry. 304 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,085 They were picked up, uh, in this area. 305 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:28,380 I realize it's possible you... you might... 306 00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:32,718 be somewhat confused over things, 307 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:34,595 but you... 308 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:36,513 you look again... 309 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:38,599 at the boy's picture. 310 00:17:39,516 --> 00:17:41,351 [Parker] In all of Boutwell's cases, 311 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:44,396 Henry had facts that only the killer would know, 312 00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,066 like the case of Carolyn Cervenka. 313 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:52,154 There was a missing girl in Williamson County 314 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:55,199 that was creating some problems for Sheriff Boutwell. 315 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:58,035 You told us earlier today... 316 00:17:59,536 --> 00:18:02,289 that you abducted 317 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,124 a young girl. 318 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:07,252 [Parker] Boutwell had gotten him to confess to the murder 319 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,421 of the missing Cervenka girl. 320 00:18:09,963 --> 00:18:12,549 I, uh, stripped her down and had sex with her again 321 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:13,675 after I killed her. 322 00:18:14,718 --> 00:18:18,013 Henry had confessed, just like on all the others, 323 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:20,766 and gave graphic detail 324 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:23,560 about everything about Carolyn. 325 00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:27,815 Earlier you told us, Henry, about her jewelry. 326 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:31,068 Yeah, I recall, it was a gold type necklace 327 00:18:31,151 --> 00:18:34,446 with, uh, some kind of a little design thing on the front. 328 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,200 [Vic] And Henry had described her necklace. 329 00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:40,994 [Henry] I know that I know details about it, 330 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:42,371 such as her necklace, 331 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:45,457 parts of the car and stuff like that, but, uh... 332 00:18:45,916 --> 00:18:49,419 I can't explain right now, uh, why I know them details. 333 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:53,757 They finally found her months and months later. 334 00:18:53,924 --> 00:18:56,844 She had drowned, she'd had an epileptic fit. 335 00:18:58,303 --> 00:19:01,431 Drove her car into the water and drowned. 336 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,435 [Vic] Nobody murdered Carolyn Cervenka. 337 00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,564 And when they pulled Carolyn up out of the creek, 338 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:10,482 she was still wearing that necklace. 339 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:13,652 Henry had never seen Carolyn Cervenka. 340 00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:15,654 He had never seen that necklace, 341 00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:17,948 yet he described it to a T. 342 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:19,825 How'd that happen? 343 00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:22,786 Henry, I'm going to give you these rights once again. 344 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,665 [Nan] I think Jim Boutwell was utterly convinced... 345 00:19:26,748 --> 00:19:28,500 You have the right to remain silent... 346 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,254 ...that this was accomplishing what he had set out to do, 347 00:19:32,796 --> 00:19:36,175 that there was no question that it was being handled properly. 348 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:40,095 Sheriff Boutwell was probably one of the most professional officers 349 00:19:40,429 --> 00:19:41,847 I've been around. 350 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:45,934 He demanded his officers be credible that worked for him, 351 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,187 and I certainly think he was credible. 352 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,731 If there were some errors made there, 353 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:52,691 I wish he was here to explain 354 00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:57,154 what caused him to cause these cases to be cleared. 355 00:19:57,863 --> 00:19:58,697 But... 356 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:02,659 he didn't have a chance to because he passed away years... years ago. 357 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,085 [Henry] I got all my information from Sheriff Boutwell. 358 00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:17,090 Of course, he's not here to prove it now. You know, he's gone, so... 359 00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:20,844 That sheriff, he went crazy. 360 00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:24,848 You know, he wanted everything he could get, so I gave it to him. 361 00:20:25,557 --> 00:20:28,602 [man] So you think the sheriff and the Rangers are the ones who... 362 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:30,687 - Are they to blame? - I don't know that the Rangers... 363 00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:32,940 I don't know whether the Rangers are to blame, 364 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:34,399 or whether the sheriff is to blame, 365 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:36,526 or whether I'm to blame, you know? I don't know. 366 00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:40,989 [man] What do you think's gonna happen in the next couple of weeks? 367 00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:43,909 I either get to stay, or I die. One or the other. [laughs] 368 00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:46,203 - You know, that's the way it is. - [man] Okay. 369 00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:55,212 [Vic] In the '90s, 370 00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:57,965 after I won the verdict against Channel 8, 371 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,759 I became Henry's defense lawyer. 372 00:21:01,843 --> 00:21:05,847 In spite of there being no physical evidence, 373 00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:09,476 no witnesses, nothing to tie Henry to these crimes, 374 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,645 except what came out of his own mouth, 375 00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:16,441 which was fed to him, that he just regurgitated back out, 376 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:21,363 Henry will probably be put to death for something he didn't do. 377 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:28,412 [Vic] Every case that I could prove he was innocent 378 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,497 cast more doubt on Orange Socks, 379 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:35,294 and maybe slow down that ticking clock toward his execution. 380 00:21:39,589 --> 00:21:40,841 Henry killed his mother. 381 00:21:40,924 --> 00:21:42,175 That's undisputed. 382 00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:46,013 I had my doubts about the Becky Powell murder. 383 00:21:46,346 --> 00:21:48,390 I still didn't think he had committed it. 384 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,561 Becky had been Henry's traveling companion, 385 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,229 one of his first victims, 386 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,816 but Henry kept telling me Becky was alive. 387 00:21:59,943 --> 00:22:02,362 He said they had stopped at a truck stop 388 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:03,447 and when he came out, 389 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:07,075 he saw Becky climbing up into an 18-wheeler. 390 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:09,953 [Henry] She left with a truck driver, 391 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:12,581 and she never came back. 392 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:18,920 [Vic] Henry had gotten some letters from somebody claiming to be Becky. 393 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:22,299 They were coming from Missouri. 394 00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,760 So the detective that I hired, 395 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,261 he and I went to Missouri. 396 00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:31,224 We followed her in her station wagon. 397 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,644 We staked out the house where we thought she lived. 398 00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:38,857 [Vic] Okay, it's recording now. 399 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:41,485 I'm gonna ask you, please, 400 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:46,031 what was your name in 1979? 401 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:49,159 Rita Lorraine Powell. 402 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,120 [Vic] Okay. Was that Becky Powell? 403 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,663 That's Becky Powell. 404 00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:55,499 [Vic] How'd you get the name "Becky"? 405 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,629 It's just a nickname. Everybody started calling me Becky. 406 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:01,588 [Vic] All right. 407 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,466 Did you know Henry Lucas? 408 00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,093 Yes, I did. 409 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,136 [Vic] How did you meet Henry Lucas? 410 00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:10,097 Ottis brought him home. 411 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:11,765 [Vic] And who is Ottis? 412 00:23:11,848 --> 00:23:13,600 Ottis is my uncle. 413 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:17,938 [Vic] Where is the first place, Becky, that you remember living? 414 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,775 I remember living on 1st Street 415 00:23:22,442 --> 00:23:23,860 in Jacksonville. 416 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:25,112 [Vic] Okay. 417 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:29,116 She could describe the house that Becky grew up in. 418 00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:33,912 Uh, she described the last time that she ever saw Henry. 419 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,790 I ran off with a trucker. 420 00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:37,999 [Vic] Okay. 421 00:23:38,708 --> 00:23:39,960 Left Henry. 422 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:44,214 [Vic] And then this lady introduced us to her husband. 423 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:46,383 [Vic] Tell us, uh, briefly, 424 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,343 uh, how you met your wife. 425 00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:52,139 Well, I was coming from Wichita Falls, 426 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,266 going to Fort Worth, Texas, 427 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:57,602 and I stopped at a truck stop in Bowie, Texas. 428 00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:00,981 [Vic] All right. You say you were coming, but were you driving a vehicle? 429 00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:02,023 Yeah, my truck. 430 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,234 And, uh, what kind of truck? 431 00:24:04,317 --> 00:24:06,945 Peterbilt, red, silver. 432 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:08,697 So I... 433 00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:13,952 stopped at this truck stop and I saw this young girl out in front. 434 00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:16,538 And, uh, she seemed... 435 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:18,081 uh... 436 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:20,083 troubled. 437 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:21,918 Uh, scared. 438 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:27,507 [Vic] Is this kind of what she looked like when you picked her up at the truck stop? 439 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:28,425 Yes, sir. 440 00:24:30,427 --> 00:24:31,887 Maybe a little bit older? 441 00:24:39,394 --> 00:24:40,896 [Vic] I thought, "This is it. 442 00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:42,981 This is the smoking gun." 443 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:47,277 I flew her to Austin. 444 00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:51,531 I hired a polygraph operator, a good one. 445 00:24:52,616 --> 00:24:54,493 [man] Becky, why did you leave Henry? 446 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,580 [Becky] Because I was tired of being broke and hungry. 447 00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:02,250 [man] Did he ever exhibit to you any behavior 448 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,628 that would make you think he was a mass killer? 449 00:25:04,711 --> 00:25:05,545 [Becky] No. 450 00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,507 And he came out smiling. 451 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:11,134 He said, "Vic, you have found Becky." 452 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:12,469 [exhales] 453 00:25:12,552 --> 00:25:13,845 I felt so good. 454 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:17,557 As soon as we got the polygraph report, I went public with it. 455 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:21,228 I wanted to get it out there because Henry was facing the death penalty, see? 456 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:25,232 Henry Lee Lucas told investigators he murdered Becky Powell here. 457 00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:26,775 Everyone believed him. 458 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:28,318 Until now. 459 00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:31,530 We were there, but he did not cut me up... 460 00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:35,700 and throw me... throw my body parts everywhere. 461 00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:37,786 Meet Becky Powell. 462 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:39,246 [video game sounds] 463 00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:42,832 [laughter] 464 00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:46,461 I was shocked to find out I was dead. 465 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:48,630 [reporter] She also claims she was with Lucas 466 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:52,801 the night the unidentified woman only known as "Orange Socks" was murdered. 467 00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:55,929 Enough, attorneys believe, to overturn Lucas' death sentence. 468 00:25:56,471 --> 00:25:59,224 He was trick-or-treating with me and my brother Frank 469 00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,892 in Jacksonville, Florida, 470 00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:03,603 at the time that Orange Socks was killed. 471 00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:07,941 Give me odds that this is Becky Powell. 472 00:26:08,024 --> 00:26:09,234 Oh, a hundred percent. 473 00:26:09,317 --> 00:26:11,861 And when the, uh, DNA comes in, 474 00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:14,489 then that'll confirm it's a hundred percent. 475 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:15,865 I'm very confident, 476 00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:19,202 but it's easy to be confident when you're holding a royal flush. 477 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:20,829 This is Becky. 478 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:23,248 [reporter] Investigative reporter Hugh Aynesworth 479 00:26:23,331 --> 00:26:25,250 is an authority on the Lucas case. 480 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:28,003 He, too, says the woman is Becky Powell. 481 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,880 She knows specifics about family, 482 00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,632 about housing units, 483 00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,509 about streets, about neighbors, 484 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:37,345 about happenings, dates, things of that sort. 485 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:40,515 I spent a good bit of time with her and I'm convinced. 486 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:45,395 Then I might add, why would you want to be Becky Powell? 487 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:55,280 [Phil] I got a call from Vic Feazell saying that, uh... 488 00:26:55,905 --> 00:26:57,157 he had found Becky. 489 00:26:57,782 --> 00:27:00,577 He wanted DNA run 490 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,871 to prove that Becky was still alive. 491 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,456 And, of course, 492 00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:08,543 you know, I'm sitting there and I'm-I'm-I'm knowing in my own mind 493 00:27:08,918 --> 00:27:11,254 that Henry confessed to killing her, 494 00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:13,340 confessed to how he killed her, 495 00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:16,635 pointed to the ground where we'd dig up part of her. 496 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:18,678 You know, that's just... 497 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:20,680 You don't write that many coincidences off. 498 00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:24,059 So we need to put this fire out as fast as possible. 499 00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:27,228 So I told him, I said, "Well, let's put her under oath and... 500 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,939 uh, make sure that she's telling the truth." 501 00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:33,652 When he said that, it kind of ran up a red flag. 502 00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,029 Like, "Hmm, under oath." 503 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,907 That means he might be wanting to get her for perjury. 504 00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:40,825 So, uh... 505 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,370 I had a real come-to-Jesus meeting with her. 506 00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:46,831 We sat and talked. 507 00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:50,293 In the meantime, I asked my wife to go and look through her luggage. 508 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,756 And my wife called me into the house about an hour later. 509 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,176 She said, "Oh, my God, I found a stack of letters like this 510 00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,220 between her and Henry Lucas." 511 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,223 And Henry was describing for her 512 00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:04,849 what the house looked like, 513 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,061 what Becky's house looked like, what, uh... 514 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,773 you know, how they met, all the trips, all that kind of stuff. 515 00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:13,817 I mean, I just... I dropped. 516 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,485 I dropped. 517 00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:18,697 I th... I think I felt worse that day than the day I got arrested. 518 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,283 Well, I'm a liar and a fraud. 519 00:28:22,951 --> 00:28:27,288 I asked Henry, I said, "Well, what if I said I was Becky Powell?" 520 00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:31,209 At first, he said it would never work, 521 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:32,836 and I said, "Why not?" 522 00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:36,965 And, um, he said, "Well, were you ever fingerprinted?" 523 00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:38,091 And I said, "No." 524 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,551 [sniffs] 525 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,221 I am in love with Henry. 526 00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:45,724 I'd do anything in the world for Henry. 527 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,351 That's all I wanted to do, 528 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,770 was to get Henry out of prison. 529 00:28:56,109 --> 00:29:00,029 I guess I got my mind to feeling like I was... 530 00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:04,159 her, because I wanted to pull this off so bad. 531 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,287 One of the reasons why I wanted to write to him 532 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,290 is because of his track record, 533 00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,459 because he killed so many people. 534 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:16,004 How did you come to meet the woman who said that she was Becky Powell? 535 00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,090 Well, she comes down, and when I first saw her, I said, 536 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:21,092 "What... What you... What you want?" You know? 537 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:22,594 I said, "Are you Frieda?" 538 00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:23,678 She said, "Yeah." 539 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,807 - [man] Did you believe she was? - Yeah. 540 00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:30,435 [man] Do you still? 541 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,148 It was just my first visit with him, and he just... 542 00:29:35,231 --> 00:29:37,859 I just fell in love with him, and... 543 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,656 he was the nicest, kindest man I ever met, really. 544 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:49,871 Henry was feeding me all this information through his letters, 545 00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:54,667 but in various parts of the letters so they wouldn't catch on. 546 00:29:55,418 --> 00:29:58,797 [woman] Do you believe that Becky is out there? 547 00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:01,633 No. I believe she's dead. 548 00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,929 I think Henry killed her. 549 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,933 [reporter] Your attorney is very fearful that you were part of this lie. 550 00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:10,975 Well, I'm not. 551 00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:14,187 [reporter] She claims that she also visited John Wayne Gacy 552 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:15,396 and also Charles Manson. 553 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,816 [Henry] I can't say that, because I don't know. 554 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:19,984 Charles Manson... 555 00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:21,611 I told him, I said, 556 00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,364 "I think it's about time you get out of prison." 557 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,116 He said, "I don't wanna get out of prison." 558 00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:29,911 He said, "You people are crazy." 559 00:30:30,411 --> 00:30:31,246 [laughs] 560 00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:39,963 [Vic] I'd been fighting this battle, 561 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,341 and I wanted it so bad, I believed it. 562 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,638 I felt it would give me back my reputation, 563 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:50,765 and all it did was hurt it. 564 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:57,063 I was angry at Phyllis. 565 00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:58,606 I was angry at Henry. 566 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,275 I was angry at myself. 567 00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:04,904 And that's when I quit representing Henry. 568 00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,449 He wrote me some pretty sad letters after that, 569 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,660 but, by then, I had just had enough. 570 00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:15,081 This scam blowing up in your face, do you think this has hurt your chances... 571 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:18,376 I don't know whether it's a scam or not. You people are telling me that. 572 00:31:18,918 --> 00:31:21,921 Are you mad because it means you're that much closer to execution? 573 00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:23,131 No, it does not. 574 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,508 I don't give a damn if I was executed tomorrow, 575 00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:26,885 you understand that? 576 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,345 [woman] Then why are you so upset? 577 00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:32,473 Why? Because of all the damn lies that's going on. 578 00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:33,641 That's why. 579 00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:37,729 [birds chirping] 580 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:47,906 [Nan] Henry was accustomed to undergoing psychological tests. 581 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:51,451 He was incarcerated as a teenager. 582 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:56,039 There were psychological reports from then until the end of his life. 583 00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:05,840 Among them was a test for confabulation. 584 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:11,137 Confabulation is a type of memory impairment. 585 00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:15,975 In other words, a person has gaps in the memory, 586 00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:21,856 and those gaps are automatically filled in with invented information. 587 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:26,444 In this test, he was off the scale. 588 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:30,615 Henry would take facts, 589 00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:33,201 and then he would add fantasy, 590 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:37,664 and then he would add what he thought the person he was addressing 591 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,332 needed or wanted, 592 00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:41,709 and that would create a new truth. 593 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:46,214 And that truth would shift from moment to moment. 594 00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,841 How many people, really, did you kill? 595 00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:50,218 It'll be... 596 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:53,346 When it's finished, I look for it to be over 360. 597 00:32:53,429 --> 00:32:55,556 It'll be way over 500. 598 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,101 My mother, back in 1960. 599 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,688 That is the only murder I've ever committed. 600 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,482 And I'm not positive I even committed that. 601 00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,025 [man] Are you a, uh... 602 00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,195 - pathological liar, you think? - Yeah. 603 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:12,407 - I am. [laughs] - [man] Are you telling me the truth now? 604 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:15,618 Yes, I'm telling you the truth, because I can prove it, you know? 605 00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:18,329 - [man] Why should I believe that? - I don't expect you to. 606 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,373 I expect you to find out the truth. 607 00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,793 - You know... - [Nan] He never thought long-term. 608 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,171 I think that was part of his mental illness, actually. 609 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:31,384 He was very focused on surviving moment to moment, 610 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,137 and whatever was needed, he was gonna give it, 611 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:37,348 without thinking about any kind of consequences 612 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:39,767 for anyone, himself or anyone else. 613 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,479 Henry Lucas did not know what the truth was. 614 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:06,919 [newscaster] Texas Governor George W. Bush 615 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:10,214 is pondering the fate of multiple murderer Henry Lee Lucas, 616 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:12,216 scheduled for execution next Tuesday. 617 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,219 There are some questions as to whether not Henry Lee Lucas, 618 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:18,890 uh, committed the particular crime that he was accused of. 619 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:21,267 There's no question he committed some of the other crimes. 620 00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:23,019 [speaking indistinctly] 621 00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:26,481 [Hugh] I was interviewing Governor Bush at the time, 622 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,484 and I said, "George, by the way..." 623 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,904 You're... you're gonna put a guy to death Saturday 624 00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:35,323 "that is innocent." 625 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:39,077 [Parker] I had occasion to run into Governor Bush at a function. 626 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:43,623 I said, "There is now a death sentence on your desk." 627 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:46,042 It involves a client of mine, 628 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,587 that I firmly believe in that client's innocence. 629 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:50,713 "It's Henry Lee Lucas." 630 00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:57,428 [Anne] I heard on TV that... 631 00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:01,265 it's looking like this... this could possibly happen. 632 00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:02,892 He could get off of death row. 633 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,354 He confessed to killing my mother. 634 00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:11,692 I have read things in his confession 635 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,613 that sounded like my mother, the way he described my mother. 636 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:18,991 I was convinced. 637 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,037 In my heart, I feel that Henry Lee Lucas did kill my sister. 638 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,374 Lucas was convicted of her death. 639 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,418 I believe that he was an animal, 640 00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,380 obtaining his 15 minutes of fame, 641 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,090 glorifying himself. 642 00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,760 I had to see this man executed. 643 00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:41,264 Well, of course we wanted Lucas to die! 644 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:42,682 [laughs] 645 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,308 Yes, we wanted him dead. 646 00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:47,436 Henry Lee Lucas murdered my sister, Laura Jean Donez. 647 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,773 Henry Lee Lucas murdered my mother, Joan Gilmore. 648 00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:53,442 Henry Lee Lucas killed my sister, Rita Salazar. 649 00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,237 [Anne] I organized the group 650 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,366 so we could fight against people who were saying Lucas was innocent. 651 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,035 [Anne] Whether he... 652 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,122 killed that woman or not, what about these other... 653 00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:08,624 What about my mother? What about all our other family? 654 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,501 You know, what about all these other victims? 655 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,546 He can't get off death row. He can't. 656 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,845 [Bush] The first question I ask in every case 657 00:36:20,928 --> 00:36:22,889 is whether or not there is any doubt, 658 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:24,682 any doubt, 659 00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:27,310 about an individual's guilt or innocence. 660 00:36:28,477 --> 00:36:30,188 This is the first case I... 661 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:32,773 since I have been the governor where the answer to that question 662 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:35,026 is yes, there's doubt. 663 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,989 Henry Lee Lucas is unquestionably guilty 664 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:41,824 of other despicable crimes 665 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:45,494 for which he has been sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. 666 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,038 However, 667 00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,665 I believe that there is enough doubt 668 00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,335 about this particular crime 669 00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:56,339 that the state of Texas should not impose its ultimate penalty 670 00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,174 by executing him. 671 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:00,551 Okay, you take care, Henry. 672 00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:02,470 [reporter] Lucas's attorney Rita Radostitz 673 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,472 was the first to notify Lucas. 674 00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,890 He didn't have anything to say. 675 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,559 - He was very emotional. Um... - [reporter 2] Was he crying? 676 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:12,021 He said he wasn't, but as I said, you can never believe anything Henry says. 677 00:37:12,104 --> 00:37:13,522 [laughter] 678 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:23,866 [man] I think there are people who will see this tonight who will say, um, 679 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:26,953 they're not sure whether you're crying for those families or for yourself. 680 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,541 Well, God knows. 681 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:36,837 I wasn't happy. 682 00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:37,755 [scoffs] 683 00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:39,840 I was livid. 684 00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:43,678 [reporter] Rosanna Fuentes was going to see Lucas executed. 685 00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:48,015 He was convicted of murdering her younger sister back in 1983. 686 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,642 I voted for him. 687 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:51,978 I won't do it again. 688 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,064 [reporter] These victims' relatives say they want to meet with the governor. 689 00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:57,024 They want to see cases reopened 690 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,110 in which Lucas was never tried 691 00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:02,113 in hopes of getting another death sentence. 692 00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:05,658 Mr. Bush, what if it was your loved one, 693 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:06,951 your mother, 694 00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,288 your daughter that got killed? 695 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,874 [Ninfa] I started faxing 696 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,627 newspapers all over the US 697 00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:19,964 that Governor Bush was siding with a serial killer. 698 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,425 [cheering and applause] 699 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:26,304 Governor Bush was running for president, 700 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,807 and he didn't want the bad publicity. 701 00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:34,020 His attorneys called me and said, 702 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,105 "What do you want?" 703 00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:41,902 I asked the governor to test for DNA. 704 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,614 There was DNA on her underclothes, 705 00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:47,199 from the rape. 706 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,414 We wanted to prove that he was guilty. 707 00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:57,043 We wanted him to stay on death row. 708 00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,004 We wanted him executed. 709 00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,432 [clears throat] All right. 710 00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:29,116 [Vic] I remember getting the call that Henry was dead. 711 00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:34,121 I was actually invited to his funeral. 712 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,414 [inhales] 713 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:38,250 But I wasn't gonna get up on a cold day and drive down there 714 00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:41,420 and watch somebody who'd lied to me like he did, 715 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,672 uh, get buried. 716 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,303 [Rosanna] He died of natural causes. 717 00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,181 So, what he... [inhales] 718 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,892 Died knowing, died with him. 719 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,395 [piano playing "Amazing Grace"] 720 00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,541 [Vic] There were only a few people at Henry's funeral. 721 00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:21,752 The preacher and Clemmie. 722 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,346 [Clemmie] I read a letter that Henry wanted me to read, 723 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:36,767 asking the people to forgive him for lying. 724 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:41,730 Then we sang "Amazing Grace." 725 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:49,488 Pretty soon, it was like millions of singers overhead, 726 00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,907 millions of angels singing. 727 00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:57,288 The most beautiful voices I have ever heard in my life. 728 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:12,970 [birds chirping] 729 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:16,140 [woman] How many people did Lucas kill? 730 00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:17,933 At least three, maybe more. 731 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:19,977 [Brokaw] What about the hundreds of confessions? 732 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,980 If Lucas didn't kill all of those people, who did? 733 00:41:23,063 --> 00:41:25,566 [man] The truth about Lucas may never be known. 734 00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,203 [Larry] I was a detective 735 00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:39,413 for the Williamson County Sheriff's Office. 736 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:51,342 DNA was just becoming a popular investigative technique. 737 00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:00,309 I was asked to investigate three different cases, 738 00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:03,354 all three of which Sheriff Boutwell closed 739 00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:05,940 with Henry Lee Lucas' confessions. 740 00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:09,860 [Jim] Well, he's, uh... 741 00:42:10,819 --> 00:42:14,114 directed us to the, uh, scene of another murder. 742 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,368 - [Henry] We went on up the road, uh... - [translator speaking Japanese] 743 00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:20,079 About 55 miles from here, 744 00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,414 is where we shot the girl at. 745 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,918 [Larry] He knew exactly, within one mile, 746 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:27,336 how far the... 747 00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:29,922 Rita's body was dumped. 748 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,134 There's no way he would have known any of that... 749 00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,471 if he was not told by somebody, 750 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,516 because, as we know now, he had nothing to do with the murder. 751 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:50,651 The point that the sheriff stopped being a hero for... for me... 752 00:42:51,986 --> 00:42:54,321 is when we found out that, um... 753 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,118 the two strands of DNA didn't match Henry Lucas. 754 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,330 Then I knew, at that point, that everything was a lie. 755 00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:07,543 As far as I'm concerned, he has confirmed both cases. 756 00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:08,460 Thank you. 757 00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:09,378 Thank you. 758 00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,967 [Ninfa] Sheriff Boutwell was feeding Henry Lee Lucas the information, 759 00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:20,347 and closed cases, and lied to people about who killed their loved ones. 760 00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:26,687 We were lied to for 20 years. 761 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,857 We believed Henry did it for 20 years. 762 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,613 And then we found out who the real killer was. 59908

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