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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,465 --> 00:00:09,300 [horns honking] 2 00:00:11,344 --> 00:00:12,971 [reporter] On the Dallas homicide squad, 3 00:00:13,054 --> 00:00:15,598 there is a detective who will not be denied. 4 00:00:15,682 --> 00:00:17,017 A super sleuth 5 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,435 who turns cold trails 6 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,186 into criminal convictions. 7 00:00:20,645 --> 00:00:22,856 Twenty-seven-year veteran Linda Erwin 8 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:25,859 has put more killers in jail in two decades 9 00:00:25,942 --> 00:00:27,902 than any pulp fiction gumshoe. 10 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:29,571 In one four-year period, 11 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:32,824 she solved a remarkable 94% of her cases. 12 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:37,120 I was the first woman in the homicide unit 13 00:00:37,203 --> 00:00:38,663 in the Dallas Police Department. 14 00:00:40,457 --> 00:00:41,374 [speaking indistinctly] 15 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:44,961 We made arrangements to go down to Georgetown to talk to Henry Lucas. 16 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:50,884 I was told to bring him a carton of Pall Mall cigarettes, 17 00:00:51,342 --> 00:00:52,635 and he'd... he would... 18 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:54,971 he'd tell me what I wanted to know. 19 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:03,813 When I went down there, 20 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:07,067 he had drawn this picture, 21 00:01:07,567 --> 00:01:09,152 said that this was a woman 22 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,905 that he had murdered in the city of Dallas. 23 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,742 Here's another one. He had drawn this little picture. 24 00:01:16,951 --> 00:01:18,369 Made these little notes. 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,790 She was redheaded, medium complexion. 26 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,295 [Henry] His name was on the thing... 27 00:01:27,378 --> 00:01:29,672 [Linda] And then I just let him talk. 28 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:30,882 [speaking indistinctly] 29 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:33,968 I think he told me about ten. 30 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:35,595 Ten murders. 31 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:38,973 He just... He just talked. 32 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:41,768 Home was in Shreveport, which it's not no more. 33 00:01:42,602 --> 00:01:44,395 - [speaking indistinctly] - [Linda] I knew... 34 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:46,898 that anything and everything he was telling me 35 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,943 didn't match up with any unsolved murders that we had. 36 00:01:53,029 --> 00:01:54,531 When I got back to Dallas, 37 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,157 I told my supervisors 38 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:58,743 I didn't think that Henry Lucas had committed any murders 39 00:01:58,827 --> 00:01:59,994 in the city of Dallas. 40 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,082 They said, "Just put together a case file", 41 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:07,919 make up some bogus forensic reports, 42 00:02:08,211 --> 00:02:11,172 bogus crime scene photographs, 43 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:14,968 just a totally bogus murder file, 44 00:02:15,635 --> 00:02:18,555 "and see if he will admit to this." 45 00:02:22,642 --> 00:02:26,271 I did not tell the Rangers that it was a bogus case. 46 00:02:27,689 --> 00:02:30,191 And I felt very uncomfortable about that, 47 00:02:30,483 --> 00:02:31,693 but, um... 48 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:33,695 we did it. 49 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:37,031 Went and talked to him again. 50 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:41,161 I kind of left the case file out on the desk, 51 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:44,080 kind of laid some pictures out there so he could see 'em. 52 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:50,461 And then he described how he did it, how he broke into the house, 53 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,463 how he stabbed the woman, 54 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:54,883 how he took her out and dumped her body, 55 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:56,342 everything. 56 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:59,596 Drain pipe, the way that the body was put in. 57 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:03,558 I took and buried the body after which... And the body was never buried out there. 58 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:05,310 I just knew he was lying. 59 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:07,395 I knew he was lying. 60 00:03:09,606 --> 00:03:11,733 I told my supervisors, 61 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,777 "This is all gonna come crashing down." 62 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:01,699 [reporter] Henry Lee Lucas says he has killed 360 people. 63 00:04:01,783 --> 00:04:05,578 [reporter 2] First he said 100 victims. Then 300. Then 600. 64 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:07,956 [reporter 3] Easily making him the country's most prolific 65 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,123 serial murderer. 66 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:12,252 [reporter 4] Lucas was confessing to any unsolved murder 67 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,337 the Texas Rangers put before him. 68 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:18,466 I was a person beyond any criminal there ever was. 69 00:04:19,008 --> 00:04:20,343 And he would have even confessed 70 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:23,304 to the Lindbergh baby's death if he had known anything about it. 71 00:04:23,388 --> 00:04:25,306 Do you know how many people you've killed? 72 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:29,394 Well, I'm gonna stick with 360 right now until I'm definitely sure of it. 73 00:04:30,228 --> 00:04:32,814 But I know it's gonna be way higher than that. 74 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:38,903 ♪ These are tales of Texas Rangers ♪ 75 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:44,284 ♪ A band of sturdy men ♪ 76 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,160 ♪ Always on the side of justice ♪ 77 00:04:46,244 --> 00:04:48,121 [Vic] I would describe the Rangers 78 00:04:48,329 --> 00:04:52,083 as American as baseball and apple pie. 79 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:55,920 And they were just... They were everybody's hero. 80 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:57,213 They were my hero. 81 00:04:58,047 --> 00:05:00,675 [narrator] Since 1835, these men have captured thieves, 82 00:05:00,758 --> 00:05:02,719 forgers, cattle rustlers, and murderers. 83 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:03,636 Riding along... 84 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,473 [Bob] Texas Rangers are part of the Texas Department of Public Safety. 85 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:12,061 When I'd get new Rangers in, I'd tell 'em, 86 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:16,357 "There's probably not anything you can do to enhance the reputation of the Rangers, 87 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:20,445 and don't do anything to tarnish the reputation of the Rangers. 88 00:05:21,237 --> 00:05:22,780 "You're a Ranger 24 hours a day." 89 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:25,116 ♪ To enforce the law for you ♪ 90 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:28,995 [Vic] And they were always the good guys, you know? 91 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:32,040 I wa... I wanted to be one of the good guys, too. 92 00:05:32,123 --> 00:05:34,959 I thought I might can be a ranger someday. 93 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,298 I grew up the son of a Baptist preacher, 94 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:44,344 and I was ordained as a minister when I was 18 years old. 95 00:05:45,928 --> 00:05:50,808 Later, I worked right out of high school at the Austin Police Department. 96 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:54,937 My sergeant told me, he said, "Feazell, get your butt in college." 97 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:57,940 And when I graduated, 98 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:01,861 I started practicing law basically out of the trunk of my car. 99 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:03,321 [indistinct chattering] 100 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,824 Until I decided to run for district attorney. 101 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:10,495 I will continue to stand for the young people... 102 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:12,955 And I think most of the people in this state... 103 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,249 [Vic] I was elected at age 32, 104 00:06:15,541 --> 00:06:17,210 the youngest district attorney 105 00:06:17,293 --> 00:06:20,880 in McLennan County since 100 years ago. 106 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:27,387 We ran a good office. 107 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:31,516 We had the highest felony conviction rate in the state of Texas 108 00:06:31,599 --> 00:06:33,476 for counties over 100,000. 109 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,272 I eventually either wanted to run for Governor 110 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,067 or United States Congress. 111 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:46,823 [Jack] Feazell was charming, charismatic, 112 00:06:47,615 --> 00:06:49,826 and he was popular. He was a popular DA. 113 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:53,162 He was a Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton. 114 00:06:54,038 --> 00:06:56,666 - I don't think so. - [Bob] Feazell was very ambitious. 115 00:06:57,208 --> 00:07:00,044 Probably one of the most dangerous places in town 116 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:03,256 would be between him and a... and a TV camera. 117 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:05,758 [indistinct chattering] 118 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:09,429 [Vic] I would see on TV 119 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:13,474 Texas DAs with Henry Lucas pleading guilty to cases. 120 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:17,520 And, uh, I wanted my photo-op. I did. 121 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:20,356 It was good publicity for a district attorney 122 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,024 that wanted to get reelected. 123 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:23,276 [indistinct chattering] 124 00:07:24,193 --> 00:07:29,365 The Rangers had Henry ready to come to Waco and plead guilty 125 00:07:30,032 --> 00:07:32,785 to three crimes in McLennan County. 126 00:07:34,328 --> 00:07:38,166 But I had suspicions about Henry's confessions. 127 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:41,252 The confessions sounded funny to me. 128 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,965 Then I started looking behind the curtain. 129 00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:49,719 When we typed in "Henry Lee Lucas" 130 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:52,346 into the computer for the national criminal records... 131 00:07:54,265 --> 00:07:58,060 Someone did not want other law-enforcement people 132 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:00,980 to know where Henry was 133 00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:02,690 on certain dates. 134 00:08:03,774 --> 00:08:05,026 It was a wake-up call. 135 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,824 [Hugh] I think that Feazell was willing to put himself on the line, 136 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:15,411 like few other district attorneys 137 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:17,997 would have done at that time. 138 00:08:18,623 --> 00:08:20,124 And I admired that. 139 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:23,586 And I told him I'd help him any way I could. 140 00:08:26,255 --> 00:08:28,799 [Vic] When Hugh Aynesworth sat down with us 141 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:32,094 and showed us what he was going to publish, 142 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:37,683 and started laying out these dates and these murders side by side... 143 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:43,898 I realized that this whole situation was bigger 144 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:45,775 than I ever thought it was. 145 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:49,904 [Hugh] There was a great bit of anticipation 146 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:52,865 about the articles from the editors. 147 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:59,038 Texas Rangers were renowned and adored by many people. 148 00:08:59,288 --> 00:09:01,290 We knew that we were taking that on. 149 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:04,252 The editors once or twice over those months said, 150 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:05,419 "Are you sure?" 151 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:14,387 [Vic] When Hugh Aynesworth's article came out, 152 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,889 man, did it make a splash. 153 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:22,895 That started the fire. It really did. 154 00:09:25,856 --> 00:09:28,109 My lieutenant called me, 155 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,695 and he said, "Have you seen the morning paper?" 156 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:32,822 And I said, "No, I have not." 157 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,699 "Well, go out and get it." 158 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:37,910 There's a huge front-page story. 159 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:44,709 The Rangers were upset because it cast criticism on them. 160 00:09:45,668 --> 00:09:49,171 But everybody in the Dallas Police Department was elated 161 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,592 that we had done what we had done. 162 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:55,720 Hugh Aynesworth is reporting his investigation 163 00:09:55,803 --> 00:09:57,847 to raise questions about Lucas's confessions. 164 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:00,558 We found scores of cases where, physically, 165 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:02,893 uh, Mr. Lucas just could not have been there. 166 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,271 We got a hold of some of the confessions 167 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:07,773 and they're the most ludicrous things you could imagine. 168 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,400 If all this, uh, is true, uh, 169 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:11,235 he could not have been in these places, uh, 170 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:15,448 some 197 cases were closed that should still be open. 171 00:10:15,531 --> 00:10:17,783 Murderers still in the street, families, uh... 172 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:20,119 uh, looking on bewildered as to what's going on. 173 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:21,871 It really is a bizarre situation. 174 00:10:23,831 --> 00:10:27,209 [Linda] Word got out that we made a bogus Dallas case 175 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:28,419 that he had confessed to. 176 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:35,593 I'm sure the Texas Rangers did not like me, 177 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:40,139 and I... I don't like to speak badly of brother officers, 178 00:10:40,222 --> 00:10:41,265 I just don't, 179 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:42,808 but... but some... 180 00:10:42,892 --> 00:10:46,562 but some detectives or... or investigators 181 00:10:47,688 --> 00:10:50,149 try so hard for something to happen 182 00:10:50,232 --> 00:10:52,568 and they want so hard for something to happen, 183 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,945 that they can't see the forest for the trees. 184 00:10:57,782 --> 00:10:59,659 [reporter] Sheriff Boutwell and the Rangers 185 00:10:59,742 --> 00:11:01,911 say Aynesworth got his facts wrong. 186 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:05,831 Well, the information that Aynesworth has is probably old, 187 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:08,459 inaccurate, incomplete information. 188 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:12,004 Uh, some of these murders that have been confirmed 189 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,966 uh, might show within the month in question. 190 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:20,137 Actually, that was the month that the body was discovered, 191 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:23,349 but the murder may have happened months and months earlier. 192 00:11:23,432 --> 00:11:26,185 You know, no one likes to have their name and... 193 00:11:27,186 --> 00:11:28,521 agency smeared, 194 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:31,524 and that's what Aynesworth obviously was trying to do. 195 00:11:33,275 --> 00:11:36,821 Aynesworth had taken advantage of Boutwell's kindness, 196 00:11:36,904 --> 00:11:40,408 let him come in and interview Lucas and have access to him, and then... 197 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:41,867 then him... 198 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:43,786 turn on us, uh, 199 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:47,998 and show that he was very, very anti-law enforcement and, uh... 200 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:51,794 uh, tried to show us in the worst light. 201 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:58,384 [reporter] Today in Austin, the state's Director of Public Safety 202 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:03,013 denied reports that his office has bungled the case of the confessed murderer. 203 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,558 And I feel very comfortable and very confident 204 00:12:05,641 --> 00:12:08,144 in the fact that the task force has operated 205 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:10,521 within the charter it was originally given. 206 00:12:10,604 --> 00:12:13,107 [reporter 2] He said that in more than 100 cases, 207 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,610 Lucas led officers to the scene without any guidance from them. 208 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:19,947 What I haven't seen is, I haven't seen any wholesale 209 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,743 conspiracy to just write off a bunch of killings 210 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:27,204 as having been, uh, committed, uh, by Lucas. 211 00:12:30,541 --> 00:12:34,044 [Vic] I had decided, uh, the best way to get to the bottom of this 212 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:38,215 was to impanel a grand jury specifically for Henry Lee Lucas, 213 00:12:38,674 --> 00:12:40,593 and let us figure out how it was 214 00:12:40,676 --> 00:12:43,637 that he had confessed to three cases in our county, 215 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:45,848 that, to us, obviously, 216 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,391 he had not done. 217 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:58,486 We got a warrant to take Henry away from the Rangers 218 00:12:58,569 --> 00:13:01,030 and to bring him to our jurisdiction 219 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:03,491 to testify before our grand jury. 220 00:13:03,574 --> 00:13:05,409 [siren wailing] 221 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:10,039 And our sheriff drove to Georgetown to get Henry and bring him back. 222 00:13:10,122 --> 00:13:11,832 [siren wailing] 223 00:13:17,254 --> 00:13:20,382 It was like an old Texas standoff there for a while. 224 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:22,635 [indistinct chattering] 225 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,932 [Vic] They weren't gonna let him go. 226 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:31,101 Yes, that was a big... 227 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:34,855 major upset. 228 00:13:36,857 --> 00:13:39,026 I was having a Bible study, 229 00:13:39,109 --> 00:13:41,570 and the jailer came up and said, 230 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:45,616 "Sister Clemmie, they are taking Henry to Waco." 231 00:13:46,534 --> 00:13:49,495 Sheriff Boutwell said, "Who ever heard 232 00:13:49,578 --> 00:13:53,290 of an investigator from Waco, Texas 233 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:56,335 coming and taking my prisoner away? 234 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:58,170 Who gave him that power?" 235 00:13:59,922 --> 00:14:02,007 [Mike] I definitely saw frustration 236 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:05,553 on the part of Boutwell and the task force. 237 00:14:05,636 --> 00:14:08,305 [stammers] I think they all believed 238 00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:11,976 that they were involved in something extraordinary. 239 00:14:12,601 --> 00:14:13,644 [engine turns over] 240 00:14:13,727 --> 00:14:17,189 I think Feazell's goal was to... 241 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:19,024 demolish the task force. 242 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:21,861 [Clemmie] Sheriff Boutwell said to me, 243 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:26,073 "Vic will wish he never heard the name Henry Lee Lucas." 244 00:14:27,241 --> 00:14:30,327 And so, the war was on. 245 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,636 [Nan] After Clemmie had seen Henry in the Waco jail, 246 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:50,848 she called me and she was very, very upset. 247 00:14:50,931 --> 00:14:53,392 She thought he was suicidal. 248 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:57,688 Uh, he was speaking in a monotone, he was very confused. 249 00:14:57,771 --> 00:14:58,731 She kept saying he's... 250 00:14:58,814 --> 00:15:01,817 "He ate a sandwich with tomatoes, and he hates tomatoes. 251 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:03,527 Something is really wrong." 252 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:06,196 And he was crying, and I saw him, 253 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:08,616 and I started crying. 254 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:11,160 He kept repeating things like, 255 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:12,620 um... 256 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:15,039 "I thought I killed people, 257 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,751 but maybe I didn't. Did I?" 258 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:23,172 Clemmie was telling me that... 259 00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:28,177 Vic Feazell was keeping Henry for hours at a time 260 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:30,429 and quoting scripture to him, 261 00:15:30,804 --> 00:15:35,809 and was telling him that this was the most important moment in his life, 262 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:38,562 and that God was telling him 263 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:41,982 he needed to make this transition and finally tell the truth. 264 00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:46,528 - [camera shutters clicking] - [indistinct chattering] 265 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:50,324 [Vic] The atmosphere around the courthouse was like a circus. 266 00:15:51,283 --> 00:15:54,703 There were cameras everywhere, media people everywhere. 267 00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,665 [reporter] A special grand jury met in Waco, Texas today 268 00:15:57,748 --> 00:16:00,542 to hear the story of a self-described mass murderer. 269 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,504 The question they want answered: Is he really? 270 00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:12,137 [reporter 2] When Henry Lee Lucas walked into his first session 271 00:16:12,221 --> 00:16:14,181 with the McLennan County grand jury, 272 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:16,684 he started officially telling a different story 273 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,687 than he has been telling over the past two years. 274 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:21,563 [indistinct chattering] 275 00:16:23,023 --> 00:16:24,024 [camera shutters clicking] 276 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:29,405 My client, Henry Lee Lucas, now would like to make a statement. 277 00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:30,739 Henry. 278 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:34,576 Yes, I'd like to state that I haven't done these crimes. 279 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:37,037 [reporter] Lucas, the most publicized convict alive, 280 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:39,707 said officers in Texas and across the country 281 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:43,168 made it easy for him to confess by feeding him information. 282 00:16:43,585 --> 00:16:46,547 Those are people that wanted cases cleared, 283 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,258 and they'll show you pictures of that crime, 284 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:53,512 they'll take and give you all the information of the crime, 285 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:57,558 and all you have to do is stand there and say, "Yeah, I did it," 286 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:00,019 and they've been cleared that way. 287 00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:04,314 This is what... This is what's got to stop. 288 00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:06,942 [reporter] After saying you committed so many murders, 289 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,070 what made you decide to say you didn't commit them? 290 00:17:10,154 --> 00:17:13,073 Well, when you see the hurt that you're causing to people 291 00:17:13,782 --> 00:17:15,659 by accepting these crimes... 292 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:19,204 And all these crimes, somebody had to kill these people. 293 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:21,999 That's leaving murderers out there on the street. 294 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:25,544 And I can't... I just can't do that. 295 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:33,552 Henry Lee Lucas now admits he's not just a killer, he's also a liar. 296 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:36,305 [newscaster] He has confessed to more than 600 killings. 297 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:38,891 Now, he says those confessions were a hoax. 298 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:43,020 Henry Lee Lucas now says he did not kill hundreds of people, only his mother. 299 00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:45,606 [reporter] Instead, he says law enforcement officers 300 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:47,816 helped him confess to unsolved murders. 301 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,238 As the testimony went on, Attorney General Mattox indicated 302 00:17:53,322 --> 00:17:55,574 Lucas has been giving information to the grand jury 303 00:17:55,657 --> 00:17:58,619 that placed the confessed killer thousands of miles away 304 00:17:58,702 --> 00:18:01,705 from the scenes of crimes police have attributed to him. 305 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,583 [Vic] Attorney General Mattox got mad. 306 00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:06,085 I mean, Mattox hit the roof. 307 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,506 He put the power of his organization behind our grand jury. 308 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,634 [reporter] Does this concern you, uh, as far as, uh, 309 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:16,595 law enforcement officials overanxious to believe this man? 310 00:18:16,678 --> 00:18:19,389 Uh, I would hope that there's been no inappropriate activity, 311 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:20,891 but... but we don't know yet. 312 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:23,727 Our purpose is not, here, to investigate the task force. 313 00:18:23,811 --> 00:18:25,646 Our purpose is to try to determine 314 00:18:25,979 --> 00:18:28,065 whether or not, uh, Henry Lucas 315 00:18:28,148 --> 00:18:30,234 committed some of these crimes here in McLennan County. 316 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:31,610 [reporter] But the Rangers say... 317 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:38,367 All right, Mr. Lucas, 318 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,453 as you say, over the last two years, you have... 319 00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:46,625 said that you committed some 600 murders. 320 00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:47,960 I have... 321 00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:51,171 been admitting to crimes that I haven't committed. 322 00:18:51,713 --> 00:18:54,174 Police say that you drew detailed sketches 323 00:18:54,258 --> 00:18:56,135 of the people you were supposed to have murdered, 324 00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:58,095 and you took them to locations. 325 00:18:58,512 --> 00:18:59,680 Is this true? 326 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:03,183 I di... I have never took anybody to locations. 327 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,352 They have took me to locations. 328 00:19:05,894 --> 00:19:08,856 I don't drive the car and I don't tell 'em which way to go. 329 00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:13,026 If Lucas would kill his own mother, I think it... 330 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:15,863 is not a surprise that he'd lie to you. 331 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:18,824 It didn't... It didn't surprise me one bit that he would recant. 332 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,451 That's about the only normal thing I saw him do. 333 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:23,453 He just wanted to please. 334 00:19:23,912 --> 00:19:25,455 He wanted to please law enforcement, 335 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:29,543 and he thought taking all these cases would make him a friend. 336 00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,588 And then, when they got Henry away from law enforcement, 337 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:35,382 then he... I mean, he flipped just like that. He... 338 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,468 Like I say, he... He's gonna dance with whoever brought him. 339 00:19:41,054 --> 00:19:43,265 [reporter] The Texas Rangers have not taken kindly 340 00:19:43,348 --> 00:19:46,810 to recent allegations that they did some sloppy police work. 341 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,688 The task force has nothing to apologize or be... 342 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:51,773 uh, to be embarrassed about. 343 00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:54,776 I do feel very definite, without a doubt, 344 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:58,113 that he is involved in an extremely large number of homicides. 345 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,616 From the very beginning, he's furnished, uh, 346 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:02,993 reliable and unreliable information. 347 00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:06,622 Uh, the one thing that, uh, the task force feels comfortable with, 348 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,624 uh, is the fact that, uh... 349 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,627 uh, any statement he may now be making 350 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,503 that he only killed three people... 351 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:15,797 That assertion is just patently false. 352 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:19,468 I think he's... he's being responsive to our questions. 353 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,386 He is. He's being cooperative. 354 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,388 - [man] In terms... - [man 2] Is he being truthful? 355 00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,433 You'll have to ask the good lord that question. 356 00:20:29,978 --> 00:20:33,899 Well, you have been quoted as saying that as long as you kept confessing, 357 00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:36,985 you wouldn't be sent to the penitentiary to be executed. 358 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,904 Did someone tell you that? 359 00:20:38,987 --> 00:20:42,407 I've been told that by the Rangers, I've been told that by the sheriff. 360 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,577 Bob Prince always said to me, 361 00:20:45,661 --> 00:20:47,246 before this even happened, 362 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:50,832 that there would come a day when Henry would decide he didn't... 363 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:54,294 didn't want to do this anymore and he would change his mind. 364 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,172 And the reason he would do that was 365 00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:00,592 because he would realize that he was gonna have to be put to death. 366 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,012 Uh, maybe, uh, he's beginning to see that, uh... 367 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:07,683 the pace is picking up a little bit down in Huntsville 368 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:09,017 on... on executions. 369 00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,897 [reporter] Authorities in California have doubts about murders 370 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,565 Lucas claims to have committed there. 371 00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,777 [reporter 2] Arlington police say they are going to re-examine 372 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:21,321 two cases Lucas confessed to last year. 373 00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,865 [reporter 3] District Attorney Darnell is asking a judge 374 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:26,118 to dismiss the Lubbock cases against Lucas. 375 00:21:26,201 --> 00:21:28,954 We do not feel that we have sufficient evidence 376 00:21:29,371 --> 00:21:33,083 to prove that he was responsible for the death of Debra Sue Williamson. 377 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:37,212 [Joyce] Lubbock PD said 378 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,674 that they had reopened her case 379 00:21:40,757 --> 00:21:42,092 and were working on it. 380 00:21:44,428 --> 00:21:47,973 We went to Waco to the grand jury. 381 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:52,102 It felt good to be able to tell our story 382 00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,939 and not be ridiculed for it. 383 00:21:58,191 --> 00:22:00,944 And it was very encouraging 384 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:04,072 to hear Henry tell his story, 385 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:09,369 that he did not have anything to do with Debbie's murder. 386 00:22:10,412 --> 00:22:12,873 Well, I didn't have a hard time finding her house. 387 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:13,790 Why not? 388 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,168 Because he took me right to it. [chuckles] 389 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:20,630 And I says, uh, "There was a car parked in the carport at the time," 390 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,800 which the picture shows the body laying there beside the car, you know? 391 00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:26,553 - [man] So they showed you photographs? - Yeah. And so... 392 00:22:26,636 --> 00:22:29,639 [man] This is before you actually had confirmed anything, 393 00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:30,849 they showed you photographs? 394 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:33,018 Yeah. I'd already seen photographs, you know. 395 00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:36,646 And plus, they was sitting at the house, they're showing me photographs too. 396 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:44,488 [reporter] The special grand jury convened Thursday 397 00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,823 at McLennan County Courthouse in Waco. 398 00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:49,034 [reporter 2] What was supposed to be an inquiry 399 00:22:49,117 --> 00:22:52,245 into whether Henry Lee Lucas killed two people near Waco 400 00:22:52,329 --> 00:22:56,792 has turned into an investigation of how those confessions were obtained. 401 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:01,797 [Vic] Henry started telling us that it was the Rangers 402 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,549 that had let him look at photographs, 403 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,885 let him read the police reports. 404 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:12,766 Boutwell and Prince testified before the grand jury. 405 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:18,105 They just stuck to the company line, that Henry really was a mass murderer, 406 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,983 and you might find a few that he didn't commit, 407 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:23,443 but that's not our fault. 408 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:24,861 [indistinct chattering] 409 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:28,031 [reporter] Now that special Texas Ranger task force has come under fire, 410 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:31,243 specifically by McLennan County District Attorney Vic Feazell, 411 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:33,328 who said the team may have acted improperly 412 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,456 in eliciting what may be false confessions from Lucas. 413 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,584 Uh, they don't seem to be concerned at this point in time 414 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:42,587 with whether or not he's confessed to crimes he didn't commit. 415 00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:43,713 [Vic] Whoa. 416 00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:48,718 That statement kind of sealed my fate that they would never quit hounding me. 417 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:55,934 Vic Feazell didn't seem to be bothered about, 418 00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,520 in effect, coming out against law enforcement, 419 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:04,067 which is not generally something that a district attorney usually does. 420 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:09,072 The DA had an axe to grind with the Rangers, 421 00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,950 and I believe that 422 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:16,913 the sole purpose of that was to give the Rangers a black eye. 423 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:23,003 [Bob] Feazell was stating they were looking into the unethical 424 00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:25,547 conduct of the... the task force. 425 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,885 That we were intentionally feeding Lucas information. 426 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:31,678 I think that puts him on a... 427 00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:36,016 uh, the same level, in my view, than... 428 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,561 a lot of people I put in penitentiary for different crimes. 429 00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,732 [Vic] I had no choice 430 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,985 but to go against that thin blue line. 431 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,112 I had no choice but to... 432 00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:52,616 violate the law enforcement brotherhood. 433 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:57,287 It just wasn't right what was going on with Henry. 434 00:24:57,746 --> 00:24:59,247 I couldn't let it go. 435 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,343 I went to visit Colonel Jim Adams, 436 00:25:11,927 --> 00:25:14,679 head of the DPS, head of the Texas Rangers. 437 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:17,474 And I told him, I said, "If you'll just..." 438 00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:21,520 Fix this, just tell me you'll make an effort to fix this, 439 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:22,979 "I'll back off." 440 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,440 Jim Adams looked at me, 441 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:30,529 and he said, "We're not reopening a single Lucas case, 442 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,698 but I am investigating you." 443 00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:35,367 [tense music plays] 444 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:54,761 [horn blares] 445 00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:58,265 Right after I met with Adams, 446 00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:00,892 this reporter, Charles Duncan, 447 00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,811 showed up in Waco. 448 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:05,480 [horn blares] 449 00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:10,277 [turns on TV] 450 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,697 Channel 8's Charles Duncan has the first of a series of reports 451 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,407 on the controversial DA. 452 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:17,033 Reports of large payments made... 453 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:20,996 [Vic] He accused me of taking bribes to dismiss DWIs. 454 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,208 [Charles]...cases dropped after paying about $3,000 to lax prosecution... 455 00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:28,336 [Vic] He accused me of being involved in drug rings. 456 00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:30,505 ...calls the district attorney... 457 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,966 [Vic] He accused me of not prosecuting people 458 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,343 who had assaulted police officers. 459 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:38,013 A Waco woman told Channel 8 News she... 460 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,475 [Vic] He accused me of taking money to recommend parole for people. 461 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,936 ...it would cost us $2,000. 462 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,063 [Charles] Feazell said he was currently... 463 00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:49,608 [Vic] Eleven episodes over a three-month period. 464 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:51,526 [indistinct dialogue] 465 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,903 Charles Duncan, Channel 8 News. 466 00:26:54,863 --> 00:26:56,197 [indistinct chattering] 467 00:26:59,409 --> 00:27:03,163 [Vic] Just when we thought we were going to be able to focus on the Rangers, 468 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,874 the plug got pulled on our grand jury. 469 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:07,417 [camera shutters clicking] 470 00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:13,298 And Boutwell took Henry back to the Georgetown jail. 471 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:18,637 "We're getting things back to business as usual." 472 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,348 That's what he said to me when he took Henry away. 473 00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:27,604 And I said, "You mean get back to having Henry confess to more murders?" 474 00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,732 He said, "Yeah! Get back to business as usual." 475 00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:32,150 [camera shutters clicking] 476 00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:39,616 Sheriff Boutwell talked very little to me about Vic. 477 00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:42,494 But every time he would say anything, 478 00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:45,080 it would be with an ugly remark, like 479 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,332 "His day is coming." 480 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,417 "His time is limited." 481 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,467 This is it, fellas. 482 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:20,907 Did you have the feeling that, uh, District Attorney Feazell 483 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,868 was trying to embarrass you or the Rangers? 484 00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:26,579 Well, I would have to say that... 485 00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:30,583 while the grand jury was proceeding in Waco, 486 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:34,254 there were some public statements made that were critical 487 00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:35,839 of the Texas Rangers. 488 00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:37,298 For instance, uh... 489 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,884 whether the Rangers had deliberately 490 00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,137 fed information to Lucas 491 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,140 in order to, uh, clear murders. 492 00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:48,393 There was no basis in fact for such statements. 493 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:53,565 [Mike] I worked directly for Jim Adams. Reported straight to him. 494 00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,859 Very intelligent person, 495 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,069 Uh, good sense of humor. 496 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,448 Adams had chased Russian spies, 497 00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,074 spoke fluent Japanese, 498 00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:07,036 and really helped to modernize the Texas Rangers. 499 00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,706 But before then, 500 00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:13,501 he had been the number two in charge of the FBI. 501 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,716 [reporter] This was the FBI's day before the Senate Intelligence Committee. 502 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,719 Associate Deputy FBI Director James Adams 503 00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,389 conceded there had been abuses of constitutional rights. 504 00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:30,393 . Edgar Hoover approved a wide variety of tactics, 505 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,771 which included break-ins, wiretaps, 506 00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,898 dissemination of false information. 507 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,150 Everything that you did... 508 00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:40,820 sought to silence somebody 509 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,490 or frighten somebody into silence. Now someone... 510 00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:47,368 [Vic] The same dirty tricks that he used working under. Edgar Hoover, 511 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:52,415 he could now bring in his FBI buddies and use them on me. 512 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,002 [reporter] Vic Feazell and his wife, Bernie, 513 00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,421 say there was evidence of an illegal wiretap 514 00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:00,715 at the telephone lines behind their house. 515 00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:04,219 And Mrs. Feazell says she surprised a man back there, 516 00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,054 who ran into a drainage tunnel. 517 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,847 A man she recognized. 518 00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,767 She had recognized him as one of the men 519 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:13,102 she had seen drive by the house before. 520 00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:15,730 She's also... She also recognized him 521 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,775 because she had seen him in my office before, 522 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,611 presenting cases. 523 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,614 He is with... 524 00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:27,367 a law enforcement agency. 525 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,169 [Truman] I was a detective working with Vic. 526 00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:42,632 Mysterious stuff started happening. 527 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,676 People's phones were being tapped. 528 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,637 All kinds of threats going around. 529 00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:50,723 And, uh... 530 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,059 they killed Vic's dog. 531 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:57,105 They was putting a wiretap out there on the phone pole behind his house 532 00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,232 and that little dog would bark all the time. 533 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,026 [Vic] We had a little Sheltie. 534 00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,738 And one day I came home from work and I said "Where's Spanky?" 535 00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:08,116 And we went outside looking for Spanky, 536 00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:12,120 and Spanky was laying on his side with his tongue out and... 537 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,123 We took him to the vet immediately, 538 00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:17,500 and the vet said, "This dog's been poisoned." 539 00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:26,342 [Truman] Whenever he'd leave at night to go home, 540 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:27,635 I'd follow him home. 541 00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:30,305 I thought somebody was gonna kill him. 542 00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:31,514 I really did. 543 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,520 [Vic] I started receiving threats. 544 00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,356 - My phone ringing at night. - [siren wails] 545 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,151 People saying, "We have a bullet with your name on it." 546 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:49,449 I could not tell who was wearing the white hats 547 00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:51,951 and who was wearing the black hats. 548 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,579 That's how confused I was. 549 00:31:55,872 --> 00:32:00,543 On both sides, they truly believed what they were saying. 550 00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:04,505 But what was the truth? 551 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,216 [reporter] What everyone wants to know now 552 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,053 is does McLennan County have a crooked district attorney 553 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:13,806 or are the Department of Public Safety, the FBI, and the Justice Department 554 00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,184 trying to teach Vic Feazell a lesson? 555 00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:19,938 No, I-I don't know of no retaliation whatever. 556 00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:22,523 [reporter] How did some of the Rangers 557 00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:24,734 characterize their feelings toward Feazell? 558 00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:27,570 Well, I think fairly much the same way I did. 559 00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,322 Uh, he had interfered with, uh, 560 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:32,617 what was an ongoing nationwide investigation. 561 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:35,620 Uh, I didn't like it then, I don't like it now. 562 00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:36,537 [reporter] Right. 563 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:37,830 [tense music plays] 564 00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:43,878 [Vic] September the 17th, 1986. 565 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,298 I pulled into the courthouse, 566 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,593 and I could hear the car tires squealing in behind me. 567 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:54,681 Back off, please. Back off. 568 00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:58,017 [Vic] I was surrounded by FBI agents 569 00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:01,270 reading me my rights and putting me in handcuffs. 570 00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:07,360 The FBI and Texas Department of Public Safety officers arrested Feazell 571 00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,362 after an Austin Federal Grand Jury 572 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:12,532 returned a 12-count indictment against him for accepting bribes, 573 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:14,283 racketeering, and mail fraud. 574 00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,827 [indistinct chattering] 575 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:20,206 - [Vic] They were making a show of it. - [reporter] Mr. Feazell! 576 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,792 - [Vic] Making me do the perp walk. - [reporter 2] Excuse me. 577 00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:25,962 - Are you arresting Mr. Feazell? - [Vic] Channel 8 was in on it. 578 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,841 They had five cameras there. 579 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,595 I think y'all know what's going on. 580 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:38,599 What I said all along and I'll still be proven right. 581 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,310 [Gary] They wanted to intimidate him. 582 00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:43,938 And, of course, they made a mistake... 583 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:48,735 by not putting his hands behind his back, because they didn't like that picture 584 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,029 where he was going like this with the handcuffs on, 585 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,071 you know? [chuckles] 586 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:56,159 [reporter] FBI agent Bob Vain took Feazell up to his office, 587 00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:57,618 where agents locked the doors, 588 00:33:57,702 --> 00:34:00,913 evidently to prevent any disturbance in gathering evidence. 589 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:04,792 Feazell was taken to the federal courthouse 590 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,586 by the four arresting agents. 591 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,922 You know what happened. I stepped on the wrong toes here. 592 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:12,050 - Where you going? - Slide into the center. 593 00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:13,301 I have no idea. 594 00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:14,594 [man] Sit right in the center. 595 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:17,847 - [reporters speaking indistinctly] - [camera shutters clicking] 596 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,059 [Vic] At the same time they were arresting me, 597 00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,312 15 agents descended on my house. 598 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,814 [reporter] Federal authorities searched the Feazells' Waco home 599 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,149 for much of the day. 600 00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:32,153 No one knows for sure what the authorities were looking for or what they found. 601 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,739 They opened all our cereal boxes, 602 00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,450 they unwrapped everything in the freezer. 603 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,286 They went through my wife's underwear. 604 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,872 I-I-I haven't even counted them all. They're everywhere. 605 00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:44,707 They're in every room. They've... 606 00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:47,126 They've tagged my snail bait. 607 00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:50,671 [Vic] They searched all my little boy's toys. 608 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,967 That's when they took the toy syringe out of my son's doctor kit 609 00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,386 and labeled that narcotics paraphernalia. 610 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:02,183 - [applause] - [reporter] A US district judge 611 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,228 set a $100,000 personal recognizance bond for Feazell 612 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:06,312 and released him. 613 00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,690 [reporter 2] Are you mad, Vic? 614 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:10,983 No, I'm not mad. 615 00:35:11,067 --> 00:35:14,195 I'm disappointed these people with an axe to grind 616 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:18,116 could use the American justice system to do something like this. 617 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,410 I-I've never seen anything like it. I believe it's retaliation. 618 00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:23,371 [camera shutters clicking] 619 00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:25,957 There's absolutely no relationship whatsoever 620 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,292 between the Lucas investigation 621 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,837 and our initiation of this investigation. 622 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,588 The indictment speaks for itself 623 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:35,174 in alleging that he's operated his office, uh, 624 00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:37,218 in the manner of a criminal enterprise. 625 00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:39,637 That's the indictment speaking, not me. 626 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,100 [Vic] I was looking at 80 years in prison. 627 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:47,728 People I had sent to prison for murder 628 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,231 would have been out before me. 629 00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:07,957 [reporter] The stage is set in Austin, where the whole story 630 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,668 of Feazell's tenure in office should finally unfold. 631 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,171 [reporter 2] Feazell has said the indictment was retaliation 632 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,423 following his grand jury investigation 633 00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:19,010 which questioned confessions by convicted murderer Henry Lee Lucas, 634 00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:21,262 and that will be the core of his defense. 635 00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,765 [reporter 3] During pre-trial hearings, US District Judge James Allen 636 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,476 said he found no connection between the Lucas investigation 637 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,729 and the federal investigation of Feazell. 638 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,524 [Gary] Judge told me, "I don't want to hear the name Henry Lucas 639 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,652 one time during this trial. Do you understand me?" 640 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,155 And I said, "Yes, sir, I understand you." 641 00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:41,490 I brought up Henry in my opening statement. 642 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,034 [laughs] 643 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:47,121 [reporter] During opening arguments today, prosecutor Jack Frels told the court 644 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,999 it would see an unsavory side of the legal system. 645 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:53,002 The whole centerpiece of the case is the... is the bribery racketeering, 646 00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:56,672 taking money to, uh... to favorably handle cases. 647 00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:00,885 It was alleged that Feazell was soliciting those bribes 648 00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:04,639 through just a very small group of lawyers that he trusted. 649 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,893 [reporter] Attorney Dick Clark testified that he paid District Attorney Vic Feazell 650 00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:10,186 several thousand dollars 651 00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:13,856 in exchange for favorable handling of several DWI cases. 652 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,484 [reporter 2] The Waco attorney Ron Voutti testified he gave Feazell 653 00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:18,694 more than $9,000 in cash. 654 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,780 [reporter 3] The attorneys Dick Kettler and Don Hall 655 00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:23,658 have been described as being inside the inner circle of greed 656 00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:25,451 that revolved around Vic Feazell. 657 00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:27,495 [reporter 4] Prosecutor Jack Frels asked, 658 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:30,206 "Did you make a record of money paid to Mr. Feazell?" 659 00:37:30,539 --> 00:37:34,502 [Jack] Don Hall testified that he kept copies of the envelopes 660 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,838 that marked the date and the amount 661 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,590 provided to Vic Feazell. 662 00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:43,302 [Vic] They pressured those men. 663 00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,429 "You're gonna give us something on Vic Feazell 664 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:48,516 or we're gonna go after your taxes. We'll go after you." 665 00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,852 [reporter] Feazell says that you're lying to get out of tax trouble. 666 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,939 [lawyer] He's not gonna say anything right now. We need to finish this trial. 667 00:37:55,022 --> 00:37:56,607 Please let us go on with our business. 668 00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,694 We're not gonna handle press conferences like Gary Richardson 669 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,530 and... and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and all that business. 670 00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,367 [Guy] The pressure was incredible. 671 00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:11,497 The feds were trying to bring in every lawyer in this town 672 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,958 to roll over on the district attorney. 673 00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,377 I mean, I-I was... I was terrified. 674 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,337 I was afraid I was gonna be indicted. 675 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:22,925 They had me staring at two FBI agents and an IRS agent threatening me. 676 00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,178 Feazell never asked me for any money. 677 00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:29,682 The investigators didn't appear to care. 678 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,270 [stammering] The investigators and I were confident, 679 00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:35,896 but we knew there were some challenges. 680 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:40,568 I would think, "Okay, if it's between Feazell's personality", 681 00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:44,071 his charisma, his charm, and me, 682 00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:47,450 "I'm gonna get my rear end whipped." 683 00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:50,453 [Vic] The trial lasted five weeks. 684 00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:55,374 They called 65 or 70 witnesses. 685 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,794 And then the government rested. 686 00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,340 [reporter] The jury in Feazell's racketeering trial 687 00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,966 deliberated about six hours 688 00:39:04,425 --> 00:39:05,885 before returning the verdict. 689 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:08,054 [indistinct chattering] 690 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,893 [newscaster] Vic Feazell was found not guilty by a federal jury in Austin 691 00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,520 of charges he accepted bribes from Waco attorneys. 692 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,190 The smoke has cleared, the dust has settled, 693 00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:21,817 and I'm still standing, and I'm going back to Waco. 694 00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:23,652 [cheering and applause] 695 00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:26,864 [reporter] Prosecutor Jack Frels said he was surprised by the verdict. 696 00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:28,282 This is a failure, 697 00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:31,619 and I'm gonna have to live with it, and, uh... and go on. 698 00:39:31,702 --> 00:39:33,037 [camera shutters clicking] 699 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,458 Vic Feazell was correct. 700 00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:39,543 There were some real flaws, 701 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:43,798 as everybody now knows, in the Henry Lee Lucas investigation. 702 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:47,301 But the theme of their defense, that it was for revenge, 703 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,011 that's completely false. 704 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:52,681 [reporter] Has this, uh, damaged your political career at all, do you feel? 705 00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,767 I don't know if I want a political career. 706 00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:57,019 We'll wait and see later on down the line. 707 00:39:57,103 --> 00:39:59,355 [applause] 708 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,399 - Remember this? - [laughter] 709 00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:02,942 - Well, now it's all right. - All right! 710 00:40:03,025 --> 00:40:03,984 [laughter] 711 00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:09,490 [birds chirping] 712 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,794 [Bob] After Lucas recanted, 713 00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:25,631 and we told him we want to go ahead and continue with the task force, 714 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:29,510 he said, "Well we can, but, you know, I really didn't kill anybody." 715 00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,681 And I said, "Well, no use to us continuing then." 716 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:37,726 You know, he... he's not gonna talk to the officers 717 00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:38,853 that are coming to see him, 718 00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,772 so, after that, he was taken on to the penitentiary. 719 00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:58,456 Lucas had 11 homicide convictions, 720 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:00,249 a 60-year term, 721 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:04,170 two 75-year terms, the rest were life terms, 722 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:07,882 and, um, one death sentence. 723 00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:12,094 [Henry] I'm not a mass murderer. 724 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,139 I did not kill the people that they say I killed. 725 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,851 And no matter when or if I die, 726 00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:20,519 you know, 727 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:23,939 I somehow will prove it to the public. 728 00:41:24,523 --> 00:41:27,735 You know, I might say I wouldn't do it from the grave, 729 00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:28,903 but I'm gonna do it. 730 00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,833 [Vic] I wanted to sue the Rangers. 731 00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,253 I wanted to sue the FBI. 732 00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:52,259 But when I did my research, I realized they all had governmental immunity. 733 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:56,680 The only ones I could really sue were Charles Duncan and Channel 8 734 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,140 for libel. 735 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,981 In my criminal case, I had no access to their files, 736 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,526 to their documents, to what they had been up to, 737 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,987 but after I was found not guilty and we started the civil case, 738 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:13,989 we got to issue subpoenas. 739 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,666 We took depositions. 740 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:27,545 We did Freedom of Information requests. 741 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,757 We got a massive amount of video from Channel 8. 742 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:36,762 And then we were able to connect the dots. 743 00:42:39,473 --> 00:42:43,435 It all started when we got Henry away from the task force. 744 00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:48,023 That night, they had a meeting in Boutwell's office. 745 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,611 Present was the assistant US attorney, 746 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,280 an FBI agent, 747 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:58,325 and DPS officer Ron Boyter, 748 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,536 Jim Adams' right-hand man. 749 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:06,875 A few weeks later at the Ramada Inn, 750 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:10,713 Boyter met with Charles Duncan from Channel 8. 751 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:16,969 He gave Duncan the stack of allegations against me, 752 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:22,266 which later became the basis for Duncan's episodes. 753 00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:24,268 Because the district attorney... 754 00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:27,813 [Gary] I had Charles Duncan on the stand for 11 days. 755 00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:34,278 What we learned was that Ron Boyter fed him all this information 756 00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,197 about Vic that wasn't true. 757 00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:41,869 [Vic] Then Boyter plays Duncan's episodes 758 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,871 to a federal grand jury. 759 00:43:45,831 --> 00:43:48,876 They heard no witnesses, they saw no documents. 760 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,754 All they did was watch the Channel 8 reports, 761 00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:56,258 and they indicted me based only on those tapes. 762 00:43:57,926 --> 00:44:00,554 I was looking at 80 years. 763 00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:02,723 [tense music plays] 764 00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:07,561 Who would have had the power to orchestrate that 765 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:08,937 with Channel 8? 766 00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,899 Who would have had the power 767 00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:16,278 to have the IRS start investigating every criminal defense lawyer in town? 768 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,783 Jim Adams, 769 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:23,327 head of the Texas Rangers. 770 00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,047 We proved Charles Duncan and Channel 8 771 00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:39,468 had lied, lied, lied, lied... 772 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:42,596 and had done it with malice. 773 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,478 Jury brought in a 58-million-dollar verdict. 774 00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:53,232 It was the largest in US history for a libel case. 775 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,277 [Gary] And it's in The Guinness Book of Records. 776 00:45:20,926 --> 00:45:22,803 [Vic] My political career was over. 777 00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:25,806 I didn't want any part of it. 778 00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:31,103 And I resigned before the end of my term. 779 00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:40,070 There are still people that say, "Oh, well, he just had a good lawyer." 780 00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:42,156 Or, "He's a good liar." 781 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:52,708 It totally destroyed the world I lived in. 782 00:45:54,835 --> 00:45:56,754 My marriage ended in divorce 783 00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:58,672 and my little boys had... 784 00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:01,049 had a lot of trouble after that. 785 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,801 It wasn't right. 786 00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:10,559 People still thought I was a crook. 787 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,855 They still thought Henry Lucas was a serial killer. 788 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,319 And then something happened 789 00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:21,737 that made me believe 790 00:46:21,987 --> 00:46:24,114 I was gonna be able to turn it all around. 791 00:46:24,948 --> 00:46:26,617 [camera shutters clicking] 792 00:46:28,535 --> 00:46:31,914 Well, I was shocked to find out I was dead. 793 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:33,916 Becky Powell, 794 00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:37,461 his girlfriend who he'd supposedly killed, 795 00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:39,505 and here she was, 796 00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:41,298 back from the dead. 797 00:46:42,174 --> 00:46:43,926 He did not cut me up... 798 00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:48,222 and throw me... throw my body parts everywhere. 65238

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