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This is where I would come if I wanted
to throw away a bloodstained uniform.
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And now I ask you to do the responsible
thing and return a guilty
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verdict. Don't look so morbid. I feel
morbid, Mark. I might as well be handing
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over my wife and family.
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Could you be there for me?
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Of course.
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Dubinda threw the sword away.
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He changed his mind.
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Didn't do it.
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Maybe he wiped the printer clean.
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Do me a favour. Oh, that's really
helpful. Just tell us what happened to
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blood then. Why did you not find more
than one?
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Please,
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everyone.
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Have you made a decision?
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I won't be coming back.
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I'm married, Johnny.
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Oh, no.
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What about you? Me? You're the obvious
candidate.
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All those in favour of Peter being
foreman?
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This court case has ruined everything.
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If that jury don't deliver justice, I'll
deliver justice for my own.
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Okay, let's go.
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Come on, Steve.
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Chop, chop.
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Let's be having you.
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Jesus.
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Johnny.
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Bloody fool, man. Hey.
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Johnny.
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Johnny.
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Hey.
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You're supposed to want me to go back to
the clinic, yeah?
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No, today I don't.
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You've got an important job to do today
in the trial.
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Tomorrow.
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Well, I don't know about tomorrow's sun
yet, the day's history, tomorrow's a
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mystery, and all that.
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You concentrate on the day.
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I must go back.
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I don't want to waste my time.
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Hey, that happens to all of us.
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It took me two years, two years, to stop
slipping.
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Then one day you just get it.
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And all that white noise and
interference, it'll just go away.
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You will say what has happened to me,
won't you? I won't need to.
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You'll know yourself.
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Sure you're going to be all right?
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No.
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But I've got my vote to make.
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So come on, give me your arm.
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Now listen, if I fall asleep during the
day, you just give me a bit of nudge.
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Say bye, Mummy.
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And good luck.
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I'll rush back as soon as we've lost.
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No, no, no, you take your time.
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Get the decision right.
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Look, Mum.
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I know I was a bit uptight for the first
couple of days.
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You've been great.
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I couldn't have done it without you.
What was that word you just said?
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What? Mum?
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Do you know, you haven't called me that
in a long time.
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Well, maybe you haven't been one for a
long time.
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Can I start again?
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Yeah. Do I look all right?
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Beautiful.
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I'm doing a couple of buttons. I look
even better.
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I forgot to mention, my father dropped
by last night. I thought it was urgent.
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wanted you to call him.
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Something about his school uniform?
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Oh, not again.
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Why don't you just let it go?
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Oh, I don't know. Anyway, I want you to
call him at the office or on the mobile.
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All right, thanks.
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Good luck.
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Bye.
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In my opinion, yesterday's discussions
were a little unfocused.
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The reason for that, I think, is that we
spent most of our time talking about
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Thomas Haynes.
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And Thomas Haynes is non -trial here,
Devinder Singh is, so I thought we'd
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concentrate on him.
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Now, looking back over my notes, it
seems there were certain key pieces of
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evidence which were overlooked in the
closing speeches.
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Um, I thought if we focus on those...
OK, good idea.
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Right,
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starting with the shoulder.
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What shoulder?
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The shoulder allegedly ripped out of its
socket in a bullying incident six
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months prior to the murder, which the
defence projected meant that Dubinda
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was incapable of committing the crime.
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But do we believe that?
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I suppose that's my question. He didn't
have an injured shoulder. He carried on
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playing cricket, bowling the ball.
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Yeah, but there's a difference, isn't
there, between a six -ounce cricket ball
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and a bloody great sword.
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The prosecution made the point that this
sword -fighting art,
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Gottschalk... Gottschalk. Gottschalk.
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Taught him to fight with both hands.
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So, these wounds could have been made
with just the left hand.
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Come on.
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Do you really think a 15 -year -old boy
who weighs, what, eight and a half stone
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could make that kind of damage with his
left hand?
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Why not?
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Why not?
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Because it's bloody heavy.
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That's why, I mean, this thing has got
to weigh a good, what, five or six
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pounds? Five pounds.
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Yeah, whatever.
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You know, have you actually tried
picking this thing up using your weak
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No. Oh, that's a surprise.
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Yeah, you try. You're about as...
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Size and weight. I don't want to touch
it. And we should remember that in Gatka
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lessons, these kids train with a
harmless wooden sword that only weighs
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two pounds. So in theory, although he
might have been trained to use his left
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hand, in reality, the full weight of a
proper sword would prohibit it.
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Okay, this is it here. Now, the
prosecution claims that if you were to
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these Gatka movements, they would
correspond exactly with the cuts on the
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Who'd think that the murderer had to be
versed in the art of Gatka?
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What a load of crap.
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I mean, I'm sorry, but I defy anyone to
show any connection between these moves
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here and these wounds.
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Oh, I don't know.
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Where, for Christ's sake? Well, this cut
here on the neck, for example, and this
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movement here. Very good, tell him. Why
don't you put on your glasses? He's
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ready to have another look. Hey. I don't
wear glasses.
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OK. What about that guy there?
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And this stroke here. Oh, come on,
anything.
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Oh, and that one. It's just random
butters. I agree. These wounds, they're
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totally random. The angles are all
different. They look like someone was
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The defence sort of shut this down in
flames on day one.
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Now, this is the cop where Devinder
Singh lay in waiting.
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And we know from the police report that
the body was found here.
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the head facing north, and that the
sword was found all the way over here,
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thank you, in these bushes.
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You have to ask yourself, if Devinder
Singh came in this direction and went
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in this direction, why would he have
gone all the way over there to throw
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the sword?
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So, when was the last sighting before
the lollipop murders?
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0740, the last sighting on the heath.
And the lollipop man?
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751. OK, so, assuming that's correct,
that's 11 minutes for him to kill the
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and travel the distance from the murder
scene to the road. Which is just over a
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mile. Does that seem right? Yes.
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That's right. I'm average fitness and it
takes me eight minutes to run a mile.
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So? Just over a mile, in a distress
state, that's nine, nine and a half
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Assuming, of course, everybody's watches
are perfectly synchronised. So,
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assuming that, that leaves just, what,
19 seconds to commit the murder? That's
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enough time. How long does it take to
kill someone with a sword?
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Well, I don't know, but 28 stab wounds
with that sword, I mean, that's going to
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take a while, isn't it? How long's a
while? Well, I don't know, a while. I
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you felt the weight of that sword.
Imagine, like, 28 swings in 90 seconds.
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plus that you've got to take into
consideration any deep cuts and the
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getting stuck in and bowing our
cartilage. Absolutely.
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That's what's going to have happened,
isn't it?
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I reckon not less than two minutes.
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So, suddenly we've got an expert in stab
wounds.
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Oh, this is just ridiculous.
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All this evidence.
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We're trying to piece it together like
we're detectives or something. But you
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heard the judge. That's our job, to
discuss the evidence.
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Yes, but the evidence isn't conclusive.
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What are we going to do?
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I don't know.
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I was bullied once.
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It's a long time ago now, but I still
remember the sickness in my stomach as I
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approached the school gates.
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The trouble I went to to cover the
bruising, protecting
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them, covering their tracks, walking
along the
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walls, looking down at the floor.
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Never wanting to attract attention to
myself.
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I remember the dreams I had.
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Always wanted to be someone else.
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Somewhere else.
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Sleep was my only friend.
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I remember bullying and what it did to
me.
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If I'm honest, those bullies have never
left me.
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They've followed me all my life.
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I've never told anyone that before.
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Not even my wife, children.
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Thank you for listening.
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Actually, I was... I was bullied at
school too.
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Not with violence, but with silence.
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I was sent to Coventry by my friends.
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Funny, me too.
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Coincidence, eh?
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Most of the people that think this kid's
innocent were bullied themselves.
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Anyone else?
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You, Johnny?
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You look like you're still being
bullied.
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No, actually, you're wrong.
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See, all my life, I've been a bully.
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I can think of a bunch of people like
that man up the back there, like the two
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of you who'd trap their pants if they
thought of me right now.
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And women, too.
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So, your theory is wrong.
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Yeah, definitely.
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You know, Derek, he...
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Suspicion, neglect, count as bullying.
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I've been bullied the last six years.
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And I know what it's like to hate.
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And I know what it's like to inflict
pain.
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And I know what it's like to want to get
even.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean you
want to kill someone.
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No. So why else do you think he did it?
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I don't know.
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Something about his calmness. No, it had
something to do with another word
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beginning with C, his culture.
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These Sikhs are fanatics. They live for
fighting. They kill for fun.
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I'm glad I tell her the fucking hun
could join us today. Look, this boy did
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It's in his culture.
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Changing his mind is not even in his
frame of reference.
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That's so wrong. Of course he could
change his mind. That made perfect sense
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me. He was all mixed up with his culture
and his history of proud resistance.
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And at the same time, he's just trying
to be a normal English kid right now.
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He was confused. That's why he cut off
his hair. That's why he threw away the
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turban. Do me a favour. He threw away
the turban because it was covered in
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kid's fucking blood.
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Good afternoon.
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All the judge wants to see you.
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Do you know why? It's perfectly normal.
He just wants to see how you're getting
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on.
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Remember when you enter the court, no
talking among yourselves. Also try to
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avoid eye contact with people in the
public gallery.
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Would the foreman please stand?
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Mr Foreman, have you reached a verdict
upon which you all agree?
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No.
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In that case, members of the jury, the
time has now come where I can accept a
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majority verdict. That is a verdict
where at least ten of you agree.
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I will accept ten to two, eleven to one,
four, or against. Please retire once
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more.
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Thank you.
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Well, was it just me, or did anyone else
feel like we had a complete failure?
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The more I was, I can't remember the
feeling. I think we're doing very well.
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know, the fact that we're taking so long
means we're taking it seriously.
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Right, well, I suppose we should carry
on.
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We were discussing speech culture.
Before we get back into that, you know,
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like to know what you think.
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Me? Yeah, well, you're now the official
foreman. You've put a lot of...
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time and thought into this, and, you
know, you're an intelligent, responsible
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man who has an opinion. I mean, I think
we deserve to know what that opinion is.
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Absolutely. Well, in my opinion, the
former should stay impartial as long as
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can. Well, we've been here for hours,
and the rest of us are getting a little
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bit snow -blind.
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We'd like to know.
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Um, the truth is...
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No, I don't know what I think anymore.
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On the one hand, the evidence against
this boy is compelling.
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You know, we have motive, we have the
weapon, intent.
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Well, thank you. But do I think the
evidence is compelling enough to
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No. Therefore, can I be 100 % certain
that this boy is guilty? No.
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I can't.
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And similarly with the defence. You
know, we have compelling character
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to suggest that this boy is innocent.
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We have a seemingly racist police force
hell -bent on a quick conviction.
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But do we have hard evidence to prove
he's innocent?
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No.
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So can we be absolutely certain of his
innocence?
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No.
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Right, well, strictly speaking, we
should return a verdict of not guilty.
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Not because we believe in his innocence,
but simply because we are unable to
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prove guilt.
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Well, you know, there's something about
that that isn't right for me. I don't
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want to return a verdict because I don't
know. I want to feel sure. I want to
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really believe in my decision.
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So how do I do that? Where do I go?
Where do I look for that kind of
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Well, the answer to that is in here.
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My instincts.
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So I closed my eyes and I listened.
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Listened to what my heart told me.
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And it told me to go back to the first
moment I set eyes on Devinder Singh.
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So that's what I did. I went back into
the courtroom and I saw him up there.
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And I looked into his eyes.
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He was a frightened little boy.
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Shaking.
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And I realised that when all is said and
done, this is still a murder case with
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28 stab wounds.
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28.
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And my instinct told me that this kid
could never do that. OK, one cut maybe.
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One cut in anger. But not this
protracted... Once in Parnage!
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Nothing weird.
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So my instinct still tells me what it
told me the moment I first set eyes on
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him.
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But can I prove it? No, I can't prove
it. It's just my instinct. And in this
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case, I'm afraid.
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That's all we've got.
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So who else did it? That's not the
point. It is the point.
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It's the only frigging point.
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What have we all been so coy about with
this kid? What?
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This kid did it.
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Look at the evidence.
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28 stab wounds. He blew his top. He lost
it. With an injured arm. He didn't have
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an injured arm. The timing didn't make
sense then. According to unsynchronised
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watches. There is no way. I mean, I do
not see this kid doing what.
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28 stab wounds.
295
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What are you all doing?
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You're listening to your heart and not
your head. Come on.
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voting for something that flies in the
face of everything.
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We've been sitting about here for hours,
right, and quite frankly, I've got
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cramps in my arse and I've got a split
headache. I mean, I say, why don't we
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take a vote?
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All right, all right, all right. All
those who find the defendant not guilty,
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raise your hand.
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Four. Oh, my God.
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If one of you changes your mind, we've
got a verdict.
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I certainly shall not be changing mine.
306
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And I won't be changing mine either.
307
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:19,550
Don't look at me.
308
00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:24,690
At the start of this trial, you said
that the boy was guilty.
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Why?
310
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,140
Well... I don't know.
311
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Maybe it's cos I've seen the way you all
sympathise with him, cos he's been
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bullied. You know, seen the compassion
in your eyes.
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00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:45,719
Well, I've spent six years with a man
who's had sympathy wherever he goes, and
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know firsthand the cruelty he's capable
of, and that's why I've always think
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this kid could have done it.
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But, you know, maybe... Yeah, and...
And, uh...
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I don't know.
318
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But you do.
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Lacey.
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Then we all know, won't we?
321
00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:15,310
We have that little voice inside of us
that tells us when to trust someone.
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And when not, or when you believe
something, or when not... Wade, stop
323
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Just close your eyes, Rose.
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And listen to that voice, because that
is your instinct speaking to you. I
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can't. Oh, yes, you can.
326
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:31,800
Just close your eyes. Peter, this isn't
right.
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What did they do? You'll need...
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guilty you know what you've done you
329
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voted for a happy ending but sometimes
there isn't a happy ending well done
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proud of you
331
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That's it.
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That's us.
333
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That's it, they're done.
334
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,400
Okay, they've decided.
335
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,240
Well, there's nothing left to say, but
good luck.
336
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,930
No.
337
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,760
There's nothing left to say but thanks.
338
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,350
Thanks a lot.
339
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,400
Would the foreman please rise?
340
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Please confine yourself to answering yes
or no to the following question.
341
00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:02,000
Have you reached a verdict upon which at
least ten of you agree?
342
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,120
Yes. Do you find the defendant guilty or
not guilty?
343
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:21,830
Not guilty.
344
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:28,880
What? Why did you do this? I asked for
the defendant to be discharged.
345
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,980
Yes, of course, the defendant is
discharged.
346
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:39,640
Not guilty.
347
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,080
There's a lot of trouble out there.
348
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,540
They can't just let us out, is that it?
349
00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:30,760
Doesn't anyone protect us?
350
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,370
No.
351
00:29:32,371 --> 00:29:35,739
You're not seriously going to let us go
out there, are you, love?
352
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:37,600
Well, you want to go home, don't you?
353
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:42,899
I would remind you it is a criminal
offence for any juror to talk to the
354
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,160
about their experiences.
355
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,519
It is also an offence to disclose the
names or addresses of any of the other
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00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,940
jurors. OK, ladies and gents, that's it.
You're free to go.
357
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,410
Thanks a lot.
358
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,490
Yeah, thanks Dan.
359
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,530
Justice?
360
00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:52,680
You call this justice?
361
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,290
Say something.
362
00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:00,110
Quick.
363
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,570
Quick.
364
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Are you just going to go?
365
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,000
Am I not going to see you again?
366
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,700
I don't know, Johnny.
367
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,550
Look, this isn't right. I need more
time.
368
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,010
I don't understand.
369
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,100
You just can't be happy.
370
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:19,830
Goodbye,
371
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,130
Jonah.
372
00:31:44,491 --> 00:31:50,839
Didn't Marion tell you? There was
something I wanted to say to you. Oh,
373
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,739
it's over now.
374
00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:55,319
No, no, the tunnel. The police never
checked it. I spoke to some
375
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,099
and they were there when the frogmen
went diving and they were quite certain.
376
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:03,539
The police never looked there. Let it
go, Michael. Look, I'm telling you,
377
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:05,440
where he threw away the uniform.
378
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,180
Really? Is that so?
379
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,740
He did it, Peter.
380
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,540
He did it. The boy did it. God damn it.
381
00:32:11,541 --> 00:32:14,489
From the first time you found out that I
was a juror on this trial, you tried to
382
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:17,269
hijack the whole thing. You barged your
way in. You jumped into my spotlight,
383
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:18,989
trying to make yourself feel important.
384
00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:21,640
Can't you just accept this is none of
your business?
385
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:24,620
I'm going to let it be on your
conscience.
386
00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:29,390
If that uniform is in there, then one of
those brains.
387
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:32,929
Be right back.
388
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:23,240
See?
389
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,650
You did.
390
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:08,920
I've always wondered what I feel like.
391
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,730
I've spent so long imagining what it'd
be like when I've gone, Len.
392
00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:15,480
You barely noticed me being here.
393
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,630
I know this trial would do it when the
sun has come.
394
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:23,260
First chance you'd be off.
395
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,760
I can't keep locked away.
396
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,410
I can't keep you from the rest of the
world.
397
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:30,300
I thought it was the only way to keep
you.
398
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,190
Could have kept me a hundred different
ways.
399
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,680
attracting me, loving me properly.
400
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Most of all, by not doing what you did.
401
00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:47,630
I know you've got the excuse you've been
looking for.
402
00:37:47,631 --> 00:37:51,599
I don't think you'll ever know how
devoted I've been to you.
403
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,030
Not enough for you to fall into the arms
of the first man to come along.
404
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,340
It's not about that, and you know it.
405
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:06,620
What are you going to do?
406
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Dunno. What about me? How am I going to
cope?
407
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,790
A few years back, they gave you a red
berry.
408
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,070
I think the least they expected is that
you could cope.
409
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:43,960
What are you doing?
410
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:45,870
Drinking.
411
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,250
Unfortunately, all we have is this sweet
cherry we bought for your mother.
412
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,170
I think I may have had a little too
much.
413
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:58,570
Why don't you get in the shower and I'll
put on some coffee?
414
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:07,099
Would that be the leaking, spitting
shower that doesn't work in a rotting
415
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,780
avocado bathroom without a bath?
416
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:10,860
God, what is the matter with you? Fat.
417
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,080
That is the matter with me.
418
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,759
The stock Mark Waters recommended, the
diabetes stock, the one I doubted, the
419
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,379
one I thought he was making up, went
through the roof. What had that got to
420
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:24,430
with us?
421
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,060
I pulled out.
422
00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:34,800
What do you mean? I mean, I pulled out.
423
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:37,140
Didn't have the balls.
424
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,370
Wait a second.
425
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,200
Are you saying...
426
00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:44,750
At one point, you were going to go
through with this?
427
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:51,490
At one point, he had the deeds to this
place in his hands.
428
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:53,990
No! Jesus Christ!
429
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:55,580
Mum?
430
00:39:57,350 --> 00:40:00,650
How could you do that? You see, it would
have changed everything.
431
00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:02,040
What? The house.
432
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:05,950
Laughter. We'd have had it all back. It
would have changed nothing.
433
00:40:05,951 --> 00:40:09,629
The size of the room, maybe the quality
of the furniture, but it wouldn't
434
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:10,680
have... What about us?
435
00:40:10,681 --> 00:40:14,209
Wouldn't it have changed that? What need
for changing? I want that look in your
436
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:16,970
eyes that you had before. You'll get it
back, I promise.
437
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:19,570
But only when you move on.
438
00:40:19,571 --> 00:40:22,029
Don't you think that's what I was trying
to do? No.
439
00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:23,550
You were trying to move back.
440
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:25,050
Back to what we had.
441
00:40:27,310 --> 00:40:30,430
But... You're beautiful.
442
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:32,430
It's gone. It's gone forever.
443
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:20,210
Shortly before Elsie died, she told me
her life story.
444
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:23,700
And in particular, her struggle against
loneliness.
445
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:27,150
Her long and unsuccessful search for her
son.
446
00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:32,170
And hearing it, I was struck by a
powerful sense of injustice.
447
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:36,070
That someone so kind should suffer so
much.
448
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:38,770
But Elsie didn't succumb to this.
449
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:43,589
She came to the trial every day in order
to make a difference to someone else's
450
00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:44,640
life.
451
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:47,510
while her own life was slipping away
before our eyes.
452
00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:52,410
And this sacrifice did make a difference
to all our lives.
453
00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:57,160
Hi.
454
00:42:57,810 --> 00:42:58,860
Hi.
455
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,970
Hey, you look... You look great.
456
00:43:04,971 --> 00:43:06,249
Oh, thanks.
457
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,950
And you? Um, different.
458
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:09,520
Oh, yeah?
459
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:11,280
Thanks.
460
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:13,150
So you like the, uh...
461
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,200
You like the new smart look, yeah?
462
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:17,510
Yeah,
463
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,800
Eddie's got me in a pretty tight rein.
464
00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:23,100
I'm working 40 hours.
465
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:26,600
I'm three meals a day and I'm paying
tax.
466
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:30,400
I've got a job.
467
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,080
I'm working down at the job centre.
468
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:34,710
What about you?
469
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,980
I'm back at work at the salon.
470
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:41,390
Oh, wow.
471
00:43:41,391 --> 00:43:45,619
Actually, a friend just asked me if I'd
like to go 50 -50 opening up our own
472
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:46,670
business. Oh.
473
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:49,070
Well, that's great.
474
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,680
Are you seeing anyone?
475
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,930
No.
476
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:03,760
I mean, apart from the fact that there
isn't anyone now.
477
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Strictly forbidden, you know, until my
one -year ban is up.
478
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,970
How long left?
479
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:19,020
Oh, well, five months, three weeks, four
days.
480
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,370
Right.
481
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:27,939
And this ban, does that include trips to
the cinema and
482
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:30,700
walks in the park on a Thursday
afternoon?
483
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:33,760
I could check it out.
484
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,700
Well, if it doesn't, it's my number.
485
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:42,950
Call me.
486
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:44,630
OK.
487
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,370
Hello.
488
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,050
Stop saying great.
489
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,850
Right.
490
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,370
Peter?
491
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,730
Peter?
492
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:59,870
You've got a minute?
493
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,610
Yes.
494
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:07,679
My wife
495
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,680
took me away, you know, for a break.
496
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,070
I was having trouble sleeping as it
happens.
497
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Anyway, while I was away, I get to
thinking.
498
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,890
Right.
499
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:27,340
And I'm thinking, why was I so convinced
that this kid had done it?
500
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:32,300
I mean, there was no concrete evidence,
was there, either way? No, no.
501
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,230
What did that say about me? What did
that say?
502
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:41,710
Anyway, listen.
503
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:44,520
I came to apologise.
504
00:45:46,110 --> 00:45:50,590
You know, for having so little faith in
everything.
505
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:52,990
I think you were right.
506
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:56,060
Right?
507
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:58,170
You know about the kid?
508
00:46:03,331 --> 00:46:06,099
You were right, weren't you?
509
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:10,650
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